Air Canada Could Shutdown

Air Canada is preparing for a temporary shutdown of its operations as it struggles to reach a crucial deal with unions representing pilots seeking better working conditions, as was achieved for pilots of airlines in the neighbouring United States.
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[@sylv_ain]

Air Canada management would rather shut down the airline and leave thousands of passengers stranded than give their pilot a fair contract and competitive wages for an international airline. Top executives are giving themselves huge bonuses while in 2024, a pilot makes half what they were making back in 2003. The employees saved the airline from bankruptcy and took a paycut, now that the airline if profitable again, it's time to pay back. Pilots don't want a RAISE, they want their 2003 wages back adjusted for inflation

[@juliogonzo2718]

What does a senior AC captain make there?

[@sylv_ain]

@@juliogonzo2718 half what a senior captain makes at another legacy airline like Delta or Air France. That’s also Half what they were making back in 2003, adjusted for inflation

[@dellahful]

The share holders are greedy as usual. There are flight attendants who earn less than minimum wages. If ppl think working for the airline is a great industry, it needs to be scrapped and redesigned to pay their employees. Crews are not paid for boarding, which is the most difficult part of the trip. Passengers will be paying more.

[@Vicstarz26]

Let’s not forget, the CEO Michael got a $2.6 million dollar bonus pay when flight attendants are barely making ends meet, ready to get rid of their 10 year contract and pilots to have a better adjustment contact

[@deanhancsicsak4011]

Wide body captains make $354,000. That means they turned down $106,000 wage increase over 3 years. In 2023, depending on the type of aircraft they fly, Air Canada captains earned on average between $215,075 and $351,958 per year. The average narrow body aircraft pilot works 13.31 days per month and the average wide-body aircraft pilot works 11.78 days per month.

[@GreenForest-r1n]

The top 5 AC management heads make 23.1 Million annually combined while a year 1 pilot at AC makes 58k. The CEO awarded himself with a 233% raise and makes 12.4M

[@dellahful]

@@GreenForest-r1n First officer at Air Canada express makes less than a senior flight attendant. It’s shameful how the employees are treated, yet they have to suck up to vips.

[@Vicstarz26]

I am glad the pilots are fighting hard for a better contact and a strike will happen. Even though their contract is better in general compared to the flight attendants, the pilots do need a major upgrade. Now everyone will have their eyes on the flight attendants next year for AC Mainline & Rouge. Their contracts is horrible, especially for Rouge. All flight attendants across the board are in favor for a strike and I hope it does happen for them. Flight attendants need better working conditions, major pay raise since Canadas inflation and recession is messing up people’s lives, the company needs to understand the FA’s take care of many lives just like the pilots do. It’s great to see both the FA’s and pilots are supporting each other during times like this

[@TheMaartian]

I can't speak about today, but 25 or so years ago, Air Canada had 4 major unions. I was asked to spend a couple of days on a consultative basis with them. It was instructive to have their leaders in the same room at the same time. All good people, all with strong opinions. They didn't seem to be the best of friends. This video makes it sound like it's more than just the pilots union involved in the potential job action. If so, good on them for working together for better pay and conditions.

[@CheekyBird790]

Air Canada needs to pay its pilots a fare competitive market wage! Otherwise they will look elsewhere for work and who is going to fly the plane? the passengers? lol

[@johnnymoran.]

What are they making right now? Aer Lingus pilots just went on strike with a lot of captains currently being on 250k a year.

[@crdeathgaming3607]

​@@johnnymoran.250k is a long haul captain salary, there are a couple but a lot is plain wrong. Maybe look up an entry level salary for a short-haul First Officer and that may clue you in on why some may be unhappy with their salary.

[@sylv_ain]

@@johnnymoran. In 2024, Air Canada pilots makes about half what they were making back in 2003. They took a paycut to save the airline from bankruptcy and now that the company is back to being profitable, it's time for management to pay back their employees. They still makes way less than any other legacy carrier and this is not acceptable.

[@jimbrencampbell1255]

To say that Canada pilots are making about half of what they made in 2003 is utterly absurd. I say this as a long time AC employee. ​@sylv_ain

[@Grant22099]

@@crdeathgaming3607 to be fair, first year pay at almost every airline is significantly lower than second year pay. Usually it's the "trial" year. But I don't know what they get paid at air Canada, just stating how the first year first officer pay usually works and why it isn't a good indication.

[@skylineXpert]

I support the pilots as they deserve a cut as the earnings have been good. Chief executive officer Michael Rousseau received a $2.6-million bonus, up from $2.28-million in 2022. The bonus was part of his overall $12.08-million pay package. So isnt it fair the pilots get a bit extra?

[@hubertdeguise8176]

this for running an airline that is on time 60% of the time, with much poorer OTP for regional flights.

[@sandtoy11510]

AC is a publicly held company, with the Canadian Government owning 6% of the shares. Instead of complaining on KZbin, attend a share holders meeting and complain, they approved the compensation

[@sylv_ain]

@@sandtoy11510 huge bonuses for the executives means the airline is back to being profitable and that is a good thing. Now, it's time to pay back the pilots who took a massive pay cut in 2003 to save the airline from bankruptcy. A pilot in 2024 makes half what they were making in 2003 and that is unacceptable for a legacy carrier. Every other national carrier in the Europe and US have seen their pilot wage reach pre 9/11 level to truly keep up with inflation

[@hubertdeguise8176]

@@sandtoy11510 The airline is certainly profitable but not a result of a superior product. Rather it benefits from a near monopoly as the de facto only network carrier in some parts of Canada. AC has shown again and again that it’s willing to ignore customer complaints about various aspects of its operations. OTP is one reminder of this, as is this (recent) shameful story about blaming AI to deny legitimate compensation to a customer. Shame shame shame on AC and its executive for painting the name of the country on its airplanes.

[@dellahful]

@@skylineXpert all Air Canada front line workers were working during the covid plandemic and endangering their family lives and got nothing, except a pay cut.

[@Prodagist]

WestJet, Porter, Flair and Air Transat all have some real big opportunities to secure bigger stakes in the Canadian market if they navigate this well.

[@zixiongyou267]

I believe that it is the chance that allows other airlines to take over some of the market. Canada aviation market needs some competitions😅

[@dabuzz-y1q]

If air Canada does get shutdown that could give smaller Canadian airlines space to grow

[@gatechfan123]

thats a good point

[@dabuzz-y1q]

@@gatechfan123 Ty

[@thatonerandomkid-r2n]

Very true point

[@ViperAviation.]

It's only temp, but I see what you mean

[@springs9922]

But it's gonna take a while, your point stands tho

[@TorontonianAvgeek]

Canadian Airlines rn: Air Canada: ❌ WestJet: ❌ Air Transat: ✅

[@pledits888]

Great and Informative Video as always! Cheers from Sydney!

[@sainnt]

Pilots are scheduled to walk out this weekend. Pilots are witnessing airlines around the world recording record profits, and they've seen airlines pay out big bonuses and salary increases as well. Air Canada will do the right thing and pay. Hopefully they'll do it before there's a massive disruption in their operations.

[@Elijah-d8q]

westjet must be having a great time right now hearing this

[@jimbrencampbell1255]

They can barely handle their existing flight loads.10% of their fleet is out of service due to a recent severe hail storm in Calgary.

[@bruh-qu1ww]

@@jimbrencampbell1255the new ceo ruined westjet. They were on par with competing for air Canada but then he comes in and sets westjet back to its old ways of being a “budget” airline and cancels all remaining Dreamliner orders. And then they continue to add European routes that are operated on a 737💀 what a joke

[@Elijah-d8q]

@@jimbrencampbell1255 i didnt know about the hail storm, but i hope that this will give opportunity to smaller airlines to start

[@747forever9]

Thanks Dj!!

[@deanhancsicsak4011]

I am all for higher pay but to turn down a 30% raise giving widebody captains over a $100,000 pay increase over 3 years seems a little greedy. Especially when in 3 years they could probably get that again.

[@glencomerford5730]

The pilots during bankruptcy took a major pay cut to help save the airline then signed a 10 year contract to make the to get company become profitable. The executives took major pay raises. The CEO a 233% raise in 2021 as per the globe and mail article. It is time for the company to recognize the employees. The pilots have been part of the success that the company has had.

[@deanhancsicsak4011]

​​@glencomerford5730 All the union groups took a 10 year contract and pay cuts, the pilots were the only ones able to break their contract a year early. A potential $106,000 raise that they turned down is more then most people gross in a year. With the raise top pilot's would get approximately $460,000. The ones that need the raise is the co-pilots, maybe give them 40% and captains 20%, or something like that. Comparing Canadian to US wages is apples to oranges. Benifits, cost of living is quite different.

[@31blueskies]

The raises they are fighting for aren't for the 100k pay increase to WB captain who are doing fine. It's for the FOs barely making ends meet at 58k per year. 30 percent of garbage is still garbage.

[@troydumka6022]

It’s not the 100000 pay increase that they’re complaining about. They fail to recognize that a new hire pilot starts at 58000 and only has small increases for 4 years. This leads to a scenario where qualified candidates are unwilling to come when you have to leave a $150000+ a year job.

[@AzinFiro]

Shutdown is a noun, not a verb.

[@stevemasters3753]

You’re right it is a laughing stock

[@johndwilson6111]

The joys of industrial relations

[@Scoooot-ob4kq]

A350 ..back in the news again ..Delta jet collided with CRJ -900 on the tarmac again....took 5 months and counting to repair the BA A350... Let's see how this one goes..

[@matthewraven4665]

The ramp agents for AC actually want to work, I hope the strike “if it does” do take to long.

[@dbailey62]

I'm scheduled to fly from NRT to YYZ on the 15th and am hoping AC doesn't include our flight on AC10 in any preemptive ramp down. On the other hand, a couple of extra days in Tokyo wouldn't kill me. 😊

[@CheekyBird790]

Enjoy Japan! You might be there an extra week :)

[@ATH_Berkshire]

If you need to get home book a flexible ticket now. After a strike starts the prices will go through the roof.

[@MuhammadOthman88]

how can they still fly this route, I know they're banned from Russian airspace, meaning they're going to be a very long detour to avoid Russian airspace.

[@ATH_Berkshire]

@@MuhammadOthman88 I don’t think so. When you look at the great circle it doesn’t seem to enter Russian territorial airspace or if it just does you would only need to deviate a few miles south.

[@bruh-qu1ww]

They would have to reschedule you most likely being with ana

[@phillipjames5365]

Air Canada was one of my worst experiences in air travel. Never been cancelled so many times within a trip

[@keIv]

I have an international flight with Air Canada on October 12th, I hope it doesn't affect me...

[@MCscarfacematt]

That really wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world and I say that as someone who unfortunately has to rely on them

[@dellahful]

They offered them a wage increase but they want them to work more for the increase. How does that make sense?

[@Ryuuranger]

If this happens WestJet, Porter and Flair will have to Air Canada’s work

[@MicrophonicFool]

None of these can expand fast enough to take advantage. WJ can't run it's own airline anymore, let alone add thousands of routes

[@ronparrish6666]

To bad Porter couldn't pick up about 40 extra planes real fast and a few of them widebodys or join up with Air Transat

[@AirShark95]

They are in a Joint-Venture with Air Transat and have been codesharing for a while now.

[@noblepp1007]

Proposed increase is the max Air Canada can afford, unless they can bring down the operating expenses significantly . Yes increases are overdue but not beyond whats already proposed. End of the day Airline needs to stay in business for them to even pay the pilots

[@dellahful]

@@noblepp1007 yeah, but if the front end workers are not paid, what’s the purpose? The executives are making millions in bonuses and the ppl who work on the planes are making min wages….. is that fair?

[@wiljam1968]

Love the Wolfe Air camera plane footage. I flew with that cameraman a lot.

[@bhaskarshetty4981]

Why does an adjustment to compensation with inflation not a capitalist process of passing it on to consumers, manage your other cost, make a return or stockholders or willingly go bust if management is unable to do so?

[@stevesmoneypit6137]

If they allow strike they might as well shut down for good.

[@iceman9678]

It's somewhat poetic. I'll never forget how uniquely hostile Air Canada and the Canadian govt were to travelers during the govt lockdowns.

[@rainerlesch7961]

BOTH

[@gunvaldsandhaland7757]

Great Video And Info

[@SharkyTheBoss1216]

WHAT!!?

[@daleshand622]

Sometimes reaching a reasonable middle ground is better than tossing out the baby with the bath water

[@Southmoor63105]

Flew AC from Montreal to Toulouse last month on a 787-8. Everything appeared fine on the surface.

[@user-yt198]

On the surface, everything is OK. Problem is in the air 😉

[@kenngoidiomas]

We wish them all the best.

[@thedompatrinhoofficial]

Screw Air Canada

[@codyslade5558]

What a devastating occurrence. “Oh Canada”…

[@DaniLaVani]

😂

[@wiljam1968]

Management always says they can’t afford the higher wages.

[@CubeAtlantic]

Air Canada is honestly alright i ride on Air Canada when I'm going to Florida to my mom & dad's house.

[@anthonycyr9657]

There are far superior carriers than air Canada, horrible customer service, rude ignorant attendants, and only a 50 50 chance of your luggage going to same Continent, avoid at all cost.

[@hiltonwatkins6750]

Bye bye profit and salaries for management… as a taxpayer I don’t want to bail them out.

[@kevinb8702]

Could shut down.

[@brucemckean2848]

Re: AC 'laughing stock': the roots of this go deep and geographic and political. The West (in general) hates AC because some still see it as 'government', because its HQ (by law) is in Montreal, and because some of the beloved Western startups (think Wardair) didn't survive. The fact that the government tried to support them just is not believed. Now the West has Westjet to love. Not mentioned in your report: AC's first offer to pilots was 30% over three years with 20 of that in the first year. That will not work as the pay gap (and taxation and housing costs compared to the USA) is so enormous. Would 40% and faster satisfy the pilots? They would probably say its a good start. Me? I live in the East and much prefer AC over Westjet. Yup, it's the Canadian way.

[@Nienpet]

Shut it down. Air Canada sucks so bad.

[@Elijah-d8q]

westjet better tbh

[@mikezerker6925]

Air Canada is a BAD airline that I would never fly! Many people I know have had bad experiences with them, from delays causing missed connecting flights, to loss of luggage which led to ruined vacations! No thanks!

[@Jraptorblue8465]

I felt bad for the country of Canada 🇨🇦 what if the US 🇺🇸 gave lots of money to Canada donate

[@edwardrichardson5567]

As if the money will go to them. Smh

[@pesawatindonesia]

superb

[@hughroney6342]

To bad Air Canada wouldn't shut down permanently, they are a disgrace to Canada and Canadians, worst service in the world!

[@zixiongyou267]

I don’t know how they got the best airline in north America 😂

[@MICHAEL-vi4pj]

Air Canada has its problem but they remain the choice of travellers especially business travellers In Canada The competition has become Calgary centric I have flown 26 flights this year and most have been completely full . I doubt they re laughingstock for most people.

[@Travelclosely]

Interesting

[@johnpatricklim4509]

so both westjet and now air canada.....

[@jeffmcmillan7509]

Pilots need to stop being greedy…. A pilot doesn’t need to make 300k especial given they tend to only work 5-15 days a month. current offer would give them 50k. A lot of flight attendants are making 50-70k and barely surviving…. Nothing is going to be left on the table for them next year.

[@rubber3dduck252]

The Star Alliance could step up and take the flights Air Canada will not stop and United Airlines could use its full until a deal is made.

[@someonewholikesaviation-qs9yp]

FIRST, who came from his dc server?

[@jeffkanel]

I think the real question is "how long it will take before the federal gov't forces them back to work"? I don't think more then a couple of days and then they force arbitration. This will get solved......eventually

[@bonesmanchronicles]

Pilots union and management need to work together for the good of the company

[@matthewtorchiana6418]

Air Canada should open the positions to any qualified pilot who isn't in the union or wants to leave the union. I know a 12 day work month at about 5-6 hours for short hall in-Country flights is a drag on a pilot, thankfully they dont work 40 hours a week, 5 days a week like everyone else. But if you are making $150,000 a year, or $2,885 a week for 15-18 hours or $160/hr - $192/hr I wouldnt complain. Many doctors don't have such luxuries.

[@bruh-qu1ww]

Pilots with those minimum hours wouldn’t go there😂😂😂 they would head with any other airline

[@rislingpodiumperformance]

Pilots deserve a competitive pay. However an issue that will arise is this will spike prices even more when AC is already the most expensive and lowest value mainline carrier in the world. It costs more to fly AC business class than Emirates to Dubai while getting worse and less service. Its more than ANA from YVR to NRT than ANA and more than Lufthansa to Frankfurt. Point redemptions for aeroplan is also more on AC than redeeming for Star Alliance partners. Last year I booked YOW to SIN with 5 day stop in DXB, if I had done AC economy class it was going to be 210k points, I did AC to london with 1 day layover (was economy for this) then the rest was Emirates Business class on A380 for 154k points. They need to improve service across the board and remove the YYZ bottleneck

[@sylv_ain]

raising pilot wages will barely result in any raise in the tickets. It will likely be less than 10$ per trip and you will finally get pilots that are motivated to fly the flag and give customers the great service they deserve. Every major carrier usually allocates around 5% of their spending to pilot pays, at Air Canada it's only 3% and it is not fair. The discount on Canadian pilot is over and Air Canada management needs to understand that

[@rislingpodiumperformance]

@@sylv_ain you don't see how AC operates then, they will use it to justify large fare increases. And because there is little competition coast to coast, they get away with it sadly

[@le_troisieme_big7732]

​@@rislingpodiumperformancewhich is corporate greed. Nothing to do with pilots properly and fairly compensated

[@rislingpodiumperformance]

@@le_troisieme_big7732 now you're seeing what I'm pointing to yet somehow the airline keeps losing money in their reports to us shareholders

[@le_troisieme_big7732]

​​@@rislingpodiumperformanceexecutives need to figure this out, not the pilots. I'm a shareholder too, something needs to change up there

[@nhall00195]

Are you Asian? Given you have friends in Canada and live in Melbourne it’s likely a 99% probability