"Air traffic control sounded panicked" - To be honest I thought that guy sounded very calm and a tad bit annoyed.
@catherinenelson41624 жыл бұрын
And the Controler was talking very fast. I had a hard time understanding: X 6!
@JeffASmith-bl7ci4 жыл бұрын
As a former navy atc I would have been furious
@TheCanadianMan4 жыл бұрын
@@catherinenelson4162 they sped it up I think. from what I remember a video on it with the atc in real-time he wasn't talking that fast
@hunterswartz31604 жыл бұрын
@@catherinenelson4162 That's how they always talk
@oceanle3 жыл бұрын
If you hear many ATC, you will know their tone is always constant and calm. There was panick in his voice.
@RobertMcCalle7 жыл бұрын
Air traffic controller: " air Canada 781, go around." Air traffic controller. " air Canada 781, go around." Pilot : " shhhh" Air traffic controller. " air Canada 781, go around." Pilot :" chill bro..I already parked"
@willarosesoaps60906 жыл бұрын
Michline Al I realize you're kidding, but it was pretty clear, he said "copy that."
@jacobhannan64116 жыл бұрын
Microsoft FSX in a nutshell
@pepsi786 жыл бұрын
This is air Canada 781, we had our speaker blown out from turbulence, so we landed anyway.
@Enzo-ek7zk6 жыл бұрын
he definitely said copy that
@tobiassol83436 жыл бұрын
Michline Al i think cocaine was on the airplane😂
@coribuchanan6947 Жыл бұрын
That was panic in the controller's voice?? If that was panic that was the most chill panic I've ever heard. I'm glad everyone is ok.
@memez_r_dreamz22566 жыл бұрын
The way she says 28R is mildly infuriating
@PacMacDo4 жыл бұрын
toowenty ayyyyyyyte
@walterbrunswick4 жыл бұрын
Timestamp please?
@brandondonovan84024 жыл бұрын
@@walterbrunswick 0:28
@mike73ng4 жыл бұрын
A likely explanation is that the Air Canada crew could see the previous aircraft was clearing the runway and thought that if they waited and continued the approach that maybe the controller would reverse his command. Perhaps they were tired and thought the controller was being overly cautious. It can happen that way but very unlikely. Also, there could have been something else making the landing unsafe, debris on the runway reported by the previous aircraft, for example. Or they might not have heard the controller because they had the volume turned down somehow. They didn’t see the lights because they weren’t looking for them. In any case the AC crew has got some explaining to do.
@Rv12_pilot4 жыл бұрын
memez_r_dreamz twenty eight R
@marquisdemoo17924 жыл бұрын
The FAA concluded after speaking to the flight crew and probing other data that the “crew inadvertently switched from the SFO tower frequency to the SFO ground frequency after receiving their landing clearance.” “The FAA deemed this event to be an isolated occurrence and not reflective of any systematic deficiencies at Air Canada,” according to a FAA spokesman.
@eagle666beast4 жыл бұрын
Pilot error then. The runway is still tower controlled. Make it a procedure to let the tower know that you are switching to ground. Just saying. Cant just say this is an isolated incident until it becomes a disastrous accident.
@CityWhisperer4 жыл бұрын
Eagle Beast Of course the runway it tower controlled. But ATC has different sections, aircraft can contact Ground, Departures or Arrivals, so after getting clearence to land they switched automatically to Ground frequency cause they were technically about to touch ground.
@killacam8764 жыл бұрын
And the manual signalling to not land?
@marquisdemoo17924 жыл бұрын
@@killacam876 A red light from the tower way off the approach path in a field full of red lights. See other comments on that by actual pilots.
@killacam8764 жыл бұрын
@@marquisdemoo1792 a mistake happening I can understand, but the multiple consecutive mistakes in this instance is something completely irresponsible. Being at the point of having to fall back on sending visual signals by itself makes them look bad, but to not even be able to rely on that... They shouldn't have to focus to the point of being unable to see signals given by the tower, unless they switched off of their instrument landing system and decided to land manually. Why the hell would they do that though? Do Canadian airlines not use audio boards with multiple inputs that allow you to monitor multiple frequencies simultaneously? They may have to change frequencies depending on the airport but once they are set up on all channels they should not have to change frequencies between talking to ATC or ground crews. Now certainly they could have turned the volume down on the input that they are connected to ATC on, though I dont see how they could accidentally do that.
@ZlayaCo6aka7 жыл бұрын
Simple: Air traffic controller didn't end his sentences with "...eh."
@WAKEISLAND997 жыл бұрын
ZlayaCo6aka Hahahahaha eh
@timearly52267 жыл бұрын
ZlayaCo6aka Thanks! Now I know 'eh' is Canadian for 'over'.
@jurassicxx62627 жыл бұрын
Lol
@ZlayaCo6aka7 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIfQmHSZlrV4btE
@Byteable7 жыл бұрын
Eh is confirmation
@mark95316 жыл бұрын
9,000 hour pilot here. There was no DEVIATION offense, here. More like Controller Error. This "It's always the pilot's fault" crap has got to stop. The controller messed up his landing deck, didn't get the runway cleared in time, and needed AC781 to help him fix it. All 6 instructions to "Go around" occurred within 30 seconds. The Pilot, copilot, and flight engineer are all listening on the radio. For all three of them to miss 6 instructions in 30 seconds indicates that they did not hear the instructions. i.e. they did lose radio contact. Light Gun Signal? Who is kidding whom? The red light gun signal is a 6" FLASHLIGHT from inside the tower, which is over a mile from the end of the runway, way to the left of the pilot's vision. Nobody is going to see that. Pilots are not trained to look at the tower for landing instructions. Flying into an airport, at night looks like a Christmas tree of lights. The pilot was cleared to land. His concentration is on the lights at the touchdown zone. Not the tower. Who is investigating the controller?
@Threewulphmoon6 жыл бұрын
Replies in this thread have banned words and have been censored.
@testarossalegatus-brynhild52466 жыл бұрын
Threewulphmoon Lies
@Threewulphmoon6 жыл бұрын
then why, before i replied, when i clicked view replies ; nothing appeared?
@matthewelyash65386 жыл бұрын
replies are kinda wonky lately. I hit it several times before it opened. kinda like SFO huh?
@matthewelyash65386 жыл бұрын
Even this one which should have ended up under Threewulphmoon ended up here.
@randompilot97227 жыл бұрын
Ok as a commercial pilot (funny to see wannabes in the comments) I've had avionics failure. It happens. Mic's get stuck. If you're on short final you're not looking for signals from tower. Especially during that critical phase of flight. It happens. Not directly the pilots fault. Equipment failure is uncontrollable. Glad everyone touched down safely.
@larrytischler87696 жыл бұрын
John Doe Your alias tells the whole story. However, You did not even begin to explain how they failed to respond to the red landing lights.
@squidgrill6 жыл бұрын
Larry Tischler He just said, (might be slightly paraphrased, my memory isn’t great) “When you’re on short final you’re not looking for signals on the tower”.
@matthewelyash65386 жыл бұрын
Trust me, the light in the tower is not what you are looking for even if you could see it from a couple miles away when your on short final in a jetliner. It is not like some super powerful laser beam, it is a overgrown flashlight way off the side of your cone of vision when your on approach.
@TheBooban6 жыл бұрын
Matthew Elyash in any job you can get tunnel vision as its routine to focus on a task and exceptions do not register, its human. You would have to make a bon fire on the runway for people to break out of their routine.
@johnawright69376 жыл бұрын
John Doe thanks John! Nice to read from a real pilots point! Blessings
@grimreaper35266 жыл бұрын
...ATC didn't say EH at the end of each sentence, nothing more
@PaddyFilly4 жыл бұрын
Grim Reaper 🥴😁
@imjustsayin1096 жыл бұрын
Apparently these pilots are being accused of disobeying directions from the tower. Surely the possible consequences are dire so what would be their motivation for doing so deliberately?
@gsmjr85024 жыл бұрын
Because the pilot & copilot wanted an on time for their flight. Check the flight recorder.
@pierreuntel19704 жыл бұрын
They wanna pee, now!
@ChicagoCrew4 жыл бұрын
It was molson time
@sneekmatrix4 жыл бұрын
The pilots can overrule any instruction they are called captains for a reason.
@user-de4cq6uk6l4 жыл бұрын
@@gsmjr8502 no it’s not it’s because they fumbled the radio frequency and switched to ground so they didn’t do it on purpose listen to the atc lol
@rubyszpeflicki38007 жыл бұрын
And this is why air traffic controlers work 3 days and get 4 off. The amount of stress must be crazy!! Holy cow!
@jarodgarza99556 жыл бұрын
That lawyer is definitely more lawyer than he is pilot. The light gun signal argument is irrelevant. If the flight crew's story is that they truly never heard any further radio transmissions after they were cleared to land, which is completely normal, then why the hell would they think to look at the tower for light signals??
@Lyzander9116 жыл бұрын
Because they are supposed to do so
@batmon88646 жыл бұрын
Lyzander911 they are supposed to look at the runway so that they will actually SEE where they land. And let’s say that the pilot is controlling the yoke, then the copilot usually does the throttle and the minor things which means that it is hard to look at the tower AND land the plane
@allandavis82014 жыл бұрын
StandardMeta, meant to look at the tower just in case they are signalling, why? They had been cleared to land, they hadn’t received the “go around” so they believed that they could land, just because the controller transmitted the go around does not mean they received it, and even if they knew they had radio malfunction they are not going to initiate a go around because of that, in fact that would be more dangerous than carrying on with a landing that was cleared. If they had gone around because of radio failures they could have taken a flight path that took them on a collision course with another, maybe larger, aircraft. It is probably procedure that if you loose communication with the tower you obey the last instruction heard, in this case it was cleared to land.
@allandavis82014 жыл бұрын
Excellent point that so many don’t or won’t admit is the reality of the incident, if they knew that they had lost comms they would follow the last instruction received, ie “cleared to land” not “cleared to land but if you don’t receive any further communication then look at the tower, in a sea of lights, and look for a flashing red light, but if you don’t see it go around anyway because I might have given you clearance but I might have been to premature in doing that, do you copy flight........”.
@eddiemcfadden43864 жыл бұрын
@@Lyzander911 thank u yes they are supposed to
@RusskiCommieBot6 жыл бұрын
Happened to me once when I was cleared to land. Atc apparently gave me a heading change to accommodate an American MD-80 on approach to a parallel runway. Didn't hear any of their transmissions and continued on with a right base entry. Fortunately my instructor and I saw the MD-80 and queried the controller as the American was close for no traffic advisory. The transmission went through and we learned they had made several attempts to reach us. From that experience I can say that radios have a tendency to fail during important phases of flight and then start working again. I believe the Air Canada pilots in this case. It was just an unfortunate time for it to happen.
@patrickeh6966 жыл бұрын
The ATC f'ed up. We should have said, "Canada 781 go around eh?"
@gsmjr85024 жыл бұрын
Denis O'Brien The big deal is that the Air Canada flight staff did not follow the FAA rules. The flight recorder comms should be reviewed. If the flight crew decided that they were in charge of the landing, they should be held accountable and should be banned from flight into or out of the United States period. “Sorry” is no excuse for their actions which endangered hundreds of passengers’ lives. Period.
@shawno17504 жыл бұрын
I know the comment is 1 year old, but we don't all say EH! excuse me as I ride away on my Moose!
@peterwilliamson87214 жыл бұрын
He smelled back bacon.
@LB-pg3no4 жыл бұрын
What do you expect, its Canada, they dont know anything!!! It happened twice, scary!
@LB-pg3no4 жыл бұрын
@@TheWolfsnack the big deal???? Are you serious???? Remember Tariffe crash!
@andrewemery84954 жыл бұрын
Should have been in French, screamed into the mic, with wild hand-gestures.
@MrRichard570004 жыл бұрын
air canada bonne nuit 781 aller autour
@EdD-iflyFl5004 жыл бұрын
They were busy eating escargot 🐌 I guess!
@MrRichard570004 жыл бұрын
@@EdD-iflyFl500 look at that s car go.
@mztwixed4 жыл бұрын
Andrew Emery 😆😆
@jrtaylor88544 жыл бұрын
Omg I lost it reading this comment! 😂
@user-if4qw1ee3c7 жыл бұрын
I don't know how the radios operate on Airbus. However It may be possible for radio failure and the other 2 radios were not tuned to the tower frequency, thus they wouldn't have heard them. The weather may have been low visibility(I don't know what the weather really was) so they may not have seen the light gun. Another point to make and being a pilot myself, I never look at the tower on an airport when I am on final for landing if i'm not expecting light gun signals. Usually too far out of sight while focusing on landing the plane. Just my thoughts
@robertlinke26666 жыл бұрын
if you have low visibility you don't go on a visual approach..
@marlow7694 жыл бұрын
Upon hearing this “expert” again, I’m even more troubled with his analysis. Whether there are 2 or 3 radios onboard (I’m sure there are 2 that are being monitored) in normal operations (other than close parallel landing operations that I don’t think SFO does), only one will have the tower frequency tuned unless there is an unusual situation known or suspected. Also there was no panic in the controller’s voice - perhaps annoyance, yes. This lawyer and (supposedly former pilot) should stick to chasing ambulances.
@tpmiranda6 жыл бұрын
They've been given clearance to land. What prompted the ATC to cancel the clearance in the first place? No one explains that part.
@RoseSharon77776 жыл бұрын
Tiago Miranda Obviously it became apparant that a United plane was still on the runway. He explained that at the beginning.
@the3rdid4856 жыл бұрын
Lol what? That was like the absolute first thing they explained.
@taketimeout2share6 жыл бұрын
@ 3rdID. He (or she?) is probably from Canada. He wasn't listening either.........
@the3rdid4856 жыл бұрын
haha nice
@alexjogyerek21206 жыл бұрын
Just disregard Tiago Miranda, he is from camel country!
@ChrisMartinScruffy6 жыл бұрын
Murdock: We have clearance, Clarence. Oveur: Roger, Roger. What's our vector, Victor?
@Booboobear-eo4es4 жыл бұрын
Perhaps they were on instruments like guitars and saxophones?
@ThatsViews6 жыл бұрын
So, ATC had given erroneous instruction to land? Then rescinded that instruction? His first message was mumbled and very hurried and at no point did he say: "Air Canada Flight 781, please acknowledge my go around instruction." Was ATC even transmitting on the correct frequency?
@BollocksUtwat6 жыл бұрын
There was no error in giving that landing clearance.
@tubertuber37576 жыл бұрын
The landing instruction was not erroneous, they had required separation. The instruction was given in the proper phraseology, ther's no need to use 10 words when four will do. Gee, if ATC was transmitting on the wrong frequency, how come everyone else was able to understand and follow instructions.
@lowercherty7 жыл бұрын
The cockpit voice recorder will tell the tale, whether or not the radios were working. If they were, both pilots could loose their licenses.
@Yotanido6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, gotta keep those licenses tight!
@fleurdrose55046 жыл бұрын
Maybe the Air Traffic Controller's connection was off accidentally?
@raidermaxx23246 жыл бұрын
*Lose
@adtc6 жыл бұрын
I think the data of CVR cannot be retrieved without removing it from the aircraft and destroying the casing. That's expensive and the airline wouldn't want to put in a new CVR everytime there's an investigation into crew behavior.
@avflyguy6 жыл бұрын
They probably had that turned off too. .. Could of hit um with a flashing red LASER -- that would have got their attention.
@Agnelum17 жыл бұрын
It's been a bad week for some pilots. Last week it was the pilots who did an *approved* fly-over for a last flight but then got suspended for doing it. Now these Air Canada pilots will get hauled over the coals and surely suspended.
@TheLandseaandair7 жыл бұрын
Truly Zambian im
@notsonkris7 жыл бұрын
temporarily suspended during the investigation, because it might not have been pilot error
@MikeyCh097 жыл бұрын
Truly Zambian b
@therealxunil27 жыл бұрын
This lawyer is just trolling for clients.
@bobbypaluga43467 жыл бұрын
Truly Zambian So in your world it's OK to do what you want ignoring the controllers instructions.
@KazenoniKakuremi6 жыл бұрын
Air traffic controller: " air Canada 781, go around." *Pilot to Co-Pilot:* He wants us to land and then _'go around'_ aircraft waiting to depart ! Co-Pilot: Sounds dangerous! Maybe we should just circle and land after? *Pilot:* NO! Rule No. 1. Flight controller tells you to do something, you do it immediaahhhhhhhhhhtely! Phew! Just missed
@GeoBeats02 жыл бұрын
"Air Traffic Controller sounded almost panicked" The controllers voice was very calm he just sounded a bit pissed bcs of ACA not going around. Also how would he know that the pilots just magically switched from ILS to VIS he must've been in the cockpit at the time.
@praneshsawant41377 жыл бұрын
Air canada is taking it hard on San francisco airport. First they try to land on the taxiway then they land the plane despite imstructing not to...
@nickkatt65886 жыл бұрын
SFO is one of the worse air ports for pilots.
@bunakkaptan6 жыл бұрын
Pilot was high on Maple syrup....... I think..!
@gawainethefirst6 жыл бұрын
They were given clearance. Maybe the tower should be completely sure that the runway is clear before giving clearance to land? Just a thought.
@mykofreder16826 жыл бұрын
Junior pilots, this is how you have those accidents that end up on KZbin happen half the time. They stopped listening or tuned down volume last minute before landing.
@jamesdingwell46396 жыл бұрын
OR its a terrible airport. As evidenced by the crash that already happened there and repeated close class. Please stick to commenting on what you know about.
@unnamedny7 жыл бұрын
So 2 well trained pilots just ignored 6 warning of go around. I don't believe they heard "Go around". Also I would like to see that red light flashing and how easy it is to see. Previous incident with aircanada has nothing in common to this one.
@dillonjackson18516 жыл бұрын
Roman O the light gun signals were not warmed up as yet, It was clearly stated. A high beam light doesn't warm immediately, it takes a few minutes to warm.
@bobbypaluga43466 жыл бұрын
Given how unexpected it is as well as the height of such a signal, it's shocking to see such a signal coming from the tower controllers. This was after dark, the light has to be bright, in order to signal aircraft in the day. The small airport I trained at and fly out of has used this signaling technique when the single runway was occupied by a student having issues longer than expected.
@eugeneh60556 жыл бұрын
Bobby how dense were the surrounding lights of the city at your airport? It is very difficult to pick out a light source in the middle of a city. So that light gun better be very bright AND aimed at the intended target which is the incoming plane.
@anafelipe44326 жыл бұрын
Roman O
@martintheiss7436 жыл бұрын
Roman do you think the command crew was asleep as they were just meters on top of a well known waterway?
@PilotCristina7 жыл бұрын
It's two eight right not twenty eight arr 😂 Plus light gun signals are ridiculous. You don't see them unless you are looking at the tower. When you are on final looking at the tower is your last priority. ATC also gave clearance to land but I agree that the pilots should have done a go around if they heard it.
@ih66017 жыл бұрын
PilotCrissy lol the 28R thing bothered me too 😂😂
@matthewethredge89587 жыл бұрын
Was looking for this. When she said “R” it made me cringe.
@mrwonk7 жыл бұрын
And when was the last time you tried to monitor more than one radio while on short final! This clown didn't know what he was talking about. Probably why he is now a "former" pilot; my license is lifetime, how about yours?
@PilotCristina7 жыл бұрын
David Powell lol yeah I did see that. I was like "once a pilot always a pilot." Plus air Canada was on an ifr flight plan so I guess they put him on the wrong approach controller and vectored him in to SFO but the pilot should have seen that on his approach plate though. Both pilot and ATC made a mistake there.
@PilotCristina7 жыл бұрын
AbysS kB lol I cringe every time
@livinglargeonasmallbudget10277 жыл бұрын
Don't know why this happened but why didn't the air controller change his language to something like "do you copy?" I don't know what protocol is on communication between ground and flights in the air but I would have tried to get clarification on the pilots receipt of the communication transmission.
@martintheiss7436 жыл бұрын
Its midnight large. Do you really think any sane international pilot would be awake at that hour?
@Steve211Ucdhihifvshi6 жыл бұрын
because its an "merrrrican' atc, ignorant to the point of suing his own coffee cup because he spilt it on himself.
@RobertSzasz6 жыл бұрын
Because if they were having intermittent radio problems repeating the message over and over is the best way to be heard
@dburke19526 жыл бұрын
My thought too. At that hour you need something more appropriate like HEY AIR CANADA......GO AROUND!
@cellblock1316 жыл бұрын
3 radios, yes, only one will have the tower frequency dialed in. The secondary radio will have company or ramp/gate frequency for when they land. The 3rd radio is never used unless one of the other 2 is known to be defective well prior to the incident. When you are on final, you are busy performing the checklist which requires a call and response between the pilots. The light gun signals are rarely used. I never look toward the tower when ready to land. It is usually off to the side by a 1/2 mile at times, opposite of me. I am focused on runway alignment, aircraft performance, and navigation. Such BS that the ambulance chasing lawyer is expecting a zero-defect environment. I get it, the situation could have been terrible, but the Monday morning quarterbacks are laughable.
@rugratz34406 жыл бұрын
cellblock131 Captain I agree with u sir as a co pilot of 22 years of age I fly British airways a319 that’s how the radios work for us but the argument between the atc of go around it is really hard to focus on control tower looks tiny from far and I’m busy looking at the runway....not ATC
@RanGer-4984 жыл бұрын
I disagree with you two...btw i have been a flight simulators pilot for over 20 years🤪
@achristian70154 жыл бұрын
Yes, how would you know the radio is U/S unless you transmitted and didn't get a response. Then you'd have to switch over to another radio.
@sean2015 Жыл бұрын
@@rugratz3440 there is no way those pilots didn’t hear the tower instructions. They heard them loud and clear - they just didn’t want to do a go-around
@chicoespertoensina5317 Жыл бұрын
@@sean2015 they didn't want? How come? Canmot imagine: I am sick of this duty day, better go home, let's ignore the ATC and land no matter what and have my licence suspended, never to be able to fly in my life again. Stress/ tiredness/ workload are to me the leading factors. And maybe the guys inadvertently switched to other frequency
@Goproflying6 жыл бұрын
Regardless if the radios were or were not working, if the ATC felt it was necessary to tell AC 781 to go-around 6 times, surely the Captain and FO should also have seen the aircraft on the runway and made the decision to go-around themselves?
@mark95316 жыл бұрын
"surely the Captain and FO should also have seen the aircraft on the runway and made the decision to go-around themselves?" Or the pilots on ACA781 saw that the planes had cleared the runway threshold, and deemed the landing safe, and landed. The pilot is Pilot in Command of the aircraft, not the controller. The Pilot makes the decision to land or go around, regardless what the controller says.
@Goproflying6 жыл бұрын
I'm aware of that. But if ATC are telling you to go-around 6 times I would guess they have a very good reason for doing so. The pilot of the aircraft would then be landing without clearence, so safety cannot be guaranteed. In an emergency I can understand, but this wasn't an emergency.
@mark95316 жыл бұрын
"But if ATC are telling you to go-around 6 times" The first rule of radio transmission is: Communication only occurs when a message is TRANSMITTED and RECEIVED. The Pilot did not RECEIVE the transmission. Therefore, the controller FAILED to COMMUNICATE. FAILING to communicate, the controller did what he knew would work. He bunched up two airliners on high speed taxiway Tango, the runway was cleared, ACA781 landed. No harm, no fowl. And everyone lived to land another day. There was no DEVIATION. The Pilot was not in error. _____________________ You don't make 6 commands to a heavy on short final. If the controller did not receive a response after 2-3 attempts, he should have sent the first aircraft on Taxiway Tango across 28L instead of bellowing 4 more times to go around. EVERY pilot in the SFO airspace hearing this conversation was shaking his head at the controller's blunder _________________ "The pilot of the aircraft would then be landing without clearence" No, the pilot obeys his last communication: "Cleared to land"
@peipaulT7 жыл бұрын
In the story and the Air Canada press release it was mentioned that AC781 had received its clearance to land. Once that clearance is received there is no expectation of further communication from ATC so if the radio wasn't working properly that would not elicit any adverse reaction from the flight crew. The lawyer mentioned that there are are a total of thre VHF radios aboard so it is doubtful that all three would not be working. What he didn't say was that it was highly doubtful that all three radios would be tuned to the Tower frequency. They would only be utilizing one radio. If they had suspected that there was a problem with the radio they could then switch to a back up. Since they had already received their landing clearance they would not of known they had a problem until the Tower finally reached them on the ground.
@lucasguerra20497 жыл бұрын
pdquick1 yeah but how are you supposed to know to go around If your radio is malfunctioning?
@Phat776Tiger7 жыл бұрын
Sorry, but a go-around is always a possibility after getting a clearance to land and the tower frequency must be continuously monitored. At a busy airport like SFO there is a LOT of radio traffic on the tower frequency and something is wrong if there is an extended period of silence. A thorough investigation should help clear up the confusion.
@ModMINI7 жыл бұрын
Is it conceivable that they would tune away from tower? Would they tune the radio to ground before landing? I bet they are supposed to wait they are on a taxiway with no runways to cross, but it was night and these pilots switched over early to save time.
@this_is_kb49687 жыл бұрын
Mod MINI Never, under any circumstances should a pilot switch out of the tower's frequency if in tower's control area, only until tower gives them another frequency to switch to. You can put ground's frequency on standby so when tower tells the pilot to contact ground, the pilot can switch out of tower's frequency to ground in a quick manner. However, the pilot must stay in tower's frequency when in his control area. In this Air Canada flight's case, he was in tower's control area, and even though tower has given him clearance to land, there may be a chance in the landing phase of the flight that a go around is necessary for the safety of the pilot and/or others, either the pilot himself or the air traffic controller can call the go around.
@peipaulT6 жыл бұрын
If the radio that was tuned to the tower was not working the crew would not have heard the go around command so how is this BS.
@tyrannyterminator41794 жыл бұрын
Aviate, communicate, navigate in any emergency...doesn’t seem like they had an emergency.
@cheyennecarey4 жыл бұрын
TyrannyTerminator Isn’t it Aviate, Navigate, then Communicate? I truly don’t mean to be annoying, Its just that i’m a student pilot and that’s what we learned in Human Factors. :)
@rapturekevin6 жыл бұрын
Either its racism or the Russians.
@philipchristopher70106 жыл бұрын
rapturekevin, Ah Ah Ah Ah Air Canada pilots are clowns!!
@johnfolger88716 жыл бұрын
muller said it was the russians
@RUHappyATM6 жыл бұрын
The Russians hacked the flight computer.
@joelferguson89776 жыл бұрын
Lol, good one.
@masken83556 жыл бұрын
rapturekevin lol
@newmanc66196 жыл бұрын
28R is the main runway used for ILS approach. Instrument landings are often needed because of the fog there. Runways 28R and 19 are the instrument landing runways at SFO
@IndependentBear6 жыл бұрын
Did the radio work when tested on the ground AFTER the landing? Did anyone bother to check?
@Ryan-ij3fn7 жыл бұрын
Pilots only listen to one radio at a time during approach and landing. The number of radios on board is irrelevant. If the radio they were using had a hiccup for a minute there would be no way for them to hear the controller.
@mfrmorrobay7 жыл бұрын
Glad to read a comment that takes the realities of the situation into consideration!
@ceuser25927 жыл бұрын
How about the red light gun??
@mfrmorrobay7 жыл бұрын
You would not see it unless you were looking at the control tower. I would figure the pilots of the AC flight didn't realize they were No Radio and were intent on the runway and their airspeed indicator. ( I went no rad in the pattern on downwind at SBA once and had to look several times before getting my green light from the gun - so I did learn exactly how it looks!)
@mrs26916 жыл бұрын
Nobody really looks at the tower for the red light.
@Steve211Ucdhihifvshi6 жыл бұрын
exactly! thankyou. Cant believe that that so called expert ex pilot was mouthing off like he did. Im not american or canadian so theres no real bias from me for one vs the other, but as you said shite happens, ive had radio mics stick and block out everything for me, then on their own accord unstick and work fine.
@JA-ux7dd4 жыл бұрын
I’m sure this is more a pissing contest that actual traffic separation.
@achristian70154 жыл бұрын
On the previous incident, how the hell can you land on a "taxiway"? Those lights are blue, not white.
@oh63284 жыл бұрын
Tired, mixes up lighting.....or just simply just to drunk on maple syrup
@jeromelin94474 жыл бұрын
Air Canada wasn't the only flight on the previous incident, a Delta flight that landed before the Air Canada flight made the exact same mistake.
@billa18706 жыл бұрын
I didn't go any further with this, but did they find any problems with the radios and did the pilots say that they saw the red light gun when asked if they had?
@BillAndersonNS7 жыл бұрын
Part of the problem is that the AC781 flight was given initial clearance to land when in fact they were not clear to land, the runway was going to be obstructed by another plane. As was pointed out in another video, this "CTL on spec" happens in the USA but does not happen in Europe, which has airports that are just as busy. Clear to Land should only be given once a plane is truly clear to land.
@alexsosa5727 Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately this is very common at SFO they routinely have aircrafts crossing runways after already giving landing clearances. There’s a video where a United flight was ordered to go around twice because of just that
@jamesmacleod93597 жыл бұрын
This is a complete farce! Why is it that people think pilots just do as they are told and it is ATC that are in control of everything? The "expert" in this case is misleading and I think was only selected to hype up the story. To respond to some of the points: - "Almost from the first day pilots are trained to do as ATC tells them unless the safety of the aircraft is in danger" If this is what you were trained to do then I am worried, my training revolved around "Aviate, Navigate, Communicate" as a list of priorities, ATC are part of a framework and while permission is needed for many of the things we do (Take-off, Landing etc) they don't get the same pictures as the pilots so the relationship is a two way street. - "The airbus has 3 radios, and it is unlikely all failed" This is true the aircraft has 3 radios. However not all the radios are tuned to the same frequency (station) at the same time. The primary radio will be on tower, the secondary is usually on the emergency frequency and the third radio could be tuned to company frequency or used for datalink. So it would only take the primary radio to fail to not hear tower. (It is possible that the tower also broadcast on the emergency frequency, however it is common practice for this to be turned down, but not off, during critical phases of flight as it can add unwanted distractions, so may not be immediately audible) Now, I haven't checked the airport weather but looking at the reported weather for San Francisco it seemed a clear and fine day and evening, so the last a biggest point here that has been missed entirely, THERE ARE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT OF THE AIRCRAFT! If the runway was still occupied then the pilots can go around themselves, they don't need ATC to tell them. Was it correct to potentially ignore the ATC instruction, no, do I believe that they intentionally ignored the call? no. Do I think that the safety of this flight was at a significantly higher risk because of the missed radio call, no. There are genuine, worrying situations in aviation at the moment. Issues like fatigue, that have caused serious accidents in the past and yet nothing has been done. Organisational pressures that put genuine strain on air traffic controllers, flight crew and cabin crew, all so the consumer can get cheaper and cheaper air fairs. The FAA will investigate every reportable incident and that is correct. Is it worth the 10 minute news piece criticising Air Canada pilots, no. Just my (probably a bit more than...) two cents.
@TheSjuris4 жыл бұрын
So it’s okay to have 2 planes on a single runway at the same time.
@car24dude4 жыл бұрын
Air Canada was on a different radio frequency. Or didn’t communicate on the same language.
@car24dude4 жыл бұрын
Darby Just travel around the world, and you will see how wrong you are.
@CptMikeTango17 жыл бұрын
I thought landing clearance were not issued until runway is clear
@gustavio29647 жыл бұрын
CptMikeTango Standard procedure to have planes on apporch while others take-off. Now you know.
@CptMikeTango17 жыл бұрын
+Gustav Ziirsen Jochumsen You might be cleared once the preceding trafic is airborne
@rsobbbubbs7 жыл бұрын
USA make their own rules up, everywhere else in the world you're only cleared when it is actually 'clear'.
@seraphina9857 жыл бұрын
It's a US airport they do things differently there, unsafely by most of the worlds standards but that's how it is.
@MD88Pilot7 жыл бұрын
Steve Leathem please. Every airport in the world does this. You just don't know.
@maxbootstrap73976 жыл бұрын
I wonder whether pilot or co-pilot switched to the ground control frequency too soon. Red lights are so rare, that part is easier to understand.
@IainRosen7 жыл бұрын
Actually, the A320 and 321 both have problems with their radio connections, the ground pin isn't usually secured correctly and it can sometimes short out. Airbus did release a manual patch to airlines servicing the 320 series, but probably because of budget cuts, AC may have decided not to and leave it to chance.
@summersky777 жыл бұрын
Captain Sum Ting Wong was at the controls...
@angelofmusic4776 жыл бұрын
A taxi runway and a TOL runway that is seperate by 100ft apart is waiting for an accident to happen. ..my humble opinion.
@letsgo99017 жыл бұрын
IS AIR CANADA being blocked or Fined ? Do pilots pay Fine$ and lose employment ?
@Tony-ti7gl3 жыл бұрын
Jeez. I’m not sure if this lawyer as well as PILOT guy really flew the commercial. First, the controller DOES NOT sounded like he panicked at all. Second, yes if you’re a NORDO and looking for any clearance then you supposed to glimpse the twr building and acquire the light signal. But this happened after they got the clearance to land and ‘allegedly’ radio gone out. Literally there’s no reason for the pilots to expect the light gun signals and they shouldn’t. FYI, light signal is not laser light. If that was a daytime it is impossible to see without expecting one and in a nighttime as well when hundreds of rwy lights are on.
@root90656 жыл бұрын
Canadians are so polite :) ATC: Air Canada 781, you are NOT cleared to land. AC781: no that's okay we insist
@JamesKing2understandinglife6 жыл бұрын
The San Francisco airport is very difficult to land on if you are not aware of its differences from all other airports in the world. It is past time to update the S.F. airport to modern safe standards, or so I have heard from one pilot who has landed a commercial planes on this unusual landing situation airport that lacks the more modern aids that line up the incoming airplanes with the runways.
@TonyP92796 жыл бұрын
Also, there is no relief taxiway between 28L & 28R so planes can clear the fast turnoffs. That was the reason that caused this incident.
@JamesKing2understandinglife6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your additional explanation. I would hate landing there...either passenger or pilot.
@eshwarkumar81386 жыл бұрын
James King what’s wrong w/ a passenger landing or taking off at SFO, I’ve done that several times before and it seems fine.
@TonyP92796 жыл бұрын
Well hopefully, the *passenger* isn't the one doing the take-off or landing. Anyway, I've been a passenger in and out of SFO many times and I love that airport, although it was a bit confusing back when AirTran was still around because I would see signs all over that airport showing where to go for Airtran. I eventually realized the signs said AirTRAIN which is the train that carries you from the terminal to car rentals and stuff.
@JamesKing2understandinglife6 жыл бұрын
I am just repeating what a commercial pilot told me and that was it is not an easy airport to land on without your crew helping with the correct landing approach. It is not an easy airport to land on. This does not mean that Air Canada had any legitimate reason to not abort their approach.
@carlvogt61627 жыл бұрын
ATC: Air Canada go around Pilot: Ohh but this time i am not on the taxiway?
@gamingwithnicko19424 жыл бұрын
The news know f all about aviation, first “tarmac” and now her saying 28R
@leonorrivera6379 Жыл бұрын
Even if the radio is off, can't the pilot see in his windshield that he might collide with another plane? I'm sure he can see there is a plane on the runway too close and from that he can decide whether it's safe to land or not. I mean it's common sense
@camtcamping7 жыл бұрын
The ALDIS lamp (light gun) signals are very hard to see unless you are looking directly at the tower. They're not used to get a pilot's attention, they're used when the pilot knows the radios don't work and is looking for the signals. With two pilots focusing on the runway, it's extremely likely they did not see the ALDIS signals.
@sean2015 Жыл бұрын
But they did hear the tower’s instructions - you can bet on that.
@DouglasGardnerTV6 жыл бұрын
"28 AARRRRR" cringed so hard
@scfog906 жыл бұрын
Its the pirates landing strip. ARRRR
@publicmail27 жыл бұрын
This so called aviation lawyer and former pilot doesn't even realize that there may be 3 radios, but they are never on the same frequency and rarely 2 of them. And the light signals may have gone unnoticed if the pilots weren't expecting them. More misinformation by the press and the eager for notoriety aviation expert and former pilot.
@SuperKingRiz7 жыл бұрын
A D obviously they would try different frequencies to reach the pilots
@95thRiflesOCI6 жыл бұрын
If you watched the animation and the radio u realize that Air Canada is a sub tier airline company.
@17marilove4 жыл бұрын
"half a dozen times" just say 6 times jeez..
@EDToasty4 жыл бұрын
why does it matter
@17marilove4 жыл бұрын
@@EDToasty it's vocabulary diarrhea made to make things sound bigger than they actually are. That's why it matters toaster
@sneekmatrix4 жыл бұрын
Might be confused with s*x ☺
@davidlynnholtzclaw39194 ай бұрын
This switching of frequencies seems to be problematic , they need an emergency frequency that their radio will pick up should they switch at the wrong time. Possibly a mayday button that lights up and alerts them to go around
@briansivell36523 жыл бұрын
So what is the results of the investigation? I know they changed things for the taxiway in SFO.
@martynal90866 жыл бұрын
Reads title *ABSOLUTE MAD LAD*
@tylerkilarski58317 жыл бұрын
Please dont say land on 28 "R". Say right
@albertosaurusrex68544 жыл бұрын
Please don't say 28 Say 2 8
@italkart1926 жыл бұрын
For Canadian you should repeat with extra 1 word in alphabet"A". Go around aaaaa....
@ksingleton1016 жыл бұрын
I just flew on American Airlines and I was amazed at the age of some of he pilots that I saw in the airport. Some of them didn't look to be older than 24. Shouldn't there be requirements of experience for commercial pilots?
@DJ369-Miami6 жыл бұрын
Hello, radio operator here. It is not uncommon for transmissions to become totally inaudible due to a wide range of reasons. To make it sound that somehow the crew landed in spite of hearing the orders is ludicrous.
@ChrisLee667 жыл бұрын
I am surprised there are not more of these landing issues particularly on the N and S runways! I mean how these pilots line up to land in this direction while adjusting to the earth's spin at 1000 mph takes a lot of skill.
@bootmii98 Жыл бұрын
Coriolis isn't that big
@minutesagoedited97617 жыл бұрын
100k folks in the air around the erf at any given time, pilots and ATC do some pretty good work.
@gustavio29647 жыл бұрын
Mr Bleh Ikr, if you did not know, there are 6000-10000 airliners airborne at any given time, insane.
@jaelynn75756 жыл бұрын
"erf" That was the name of my friends conure b/c it would make that noise.
@justivan69216 жыл бұрын
0:32 when you say twenty-eight R instead of two-eight right
@stevenmalone38 Жыл бұрын
FYI, this is not a video, it's flight simulator. It just has the ATC audio from the incident dubbed over. ATC would never let a taxing plane stay on the runway with an approaching unresponsive plane. It's likely United 2065 (which is shown as a Southwest plane) was directed to deviate off the runway well before Air Canada 781 landed. No one was in danger. However, there are procedures for instances where radio is failing. Not sure if that was used.
@84lja6 жыл бұрын
How can it be that in 2017 a transmission between the traffic controller and the pilot is filled with static and barely clear enough to make out the words?
@johnmacleod93106 жыл бұрын
Why am I not surprised? Air Canada has for years been, as far as I'm concerned, an airline of last resort. Having said that, however, the recording of the Air Traffic Controller shows that he was breaking the first rule of communication -- gobbling like a turkey, not even getting the airline's name right some of the time. The first rule of communication, especially where bandwith is limited an d transmission and reception conditions variable, is to speak slowly and distinctly and he certainly wasn't doing that. All the more so when some or all of the crew, though no doubt competent in English, may well not have English as their native language, even if it is their working language. I've lived in Canada and the US, my native language is Englishj, I speak French and understand spoken French -- both the Acadian variety and the Parisian variety very well, but gobbled American or for that matter gobbled French, can easily fail to register in my (Scottish) brain. Clearly there are major shortcomings on both sides.
@TheSlaVikElite7 жыл бұрын
"twenty eight arr" I almost vomited.
@TheChonicTokeBONE4206 жыл бұрын
Im not a pilot but when the video mentioned the light gun to warn the plane drom the tower, i was wondering how come the the tower cant activate res flashing lights on the runway somewhere, that makes sense to me. If airports dont have that yet for landing strips maybe this sort of flashing light system should be installed so its easier for pilots to see.
@raymondmerlin86716 жыл бұрын
Red flashing lights on. Runway great safety signal
@EclairVMCA6 жыл бұрын
The lights next to their runway are used to tell the pilot where he is on the glideslope
@Crazyuncle16 жыл бұрын
Many years ago when I was a student pilot on a solo flight from Lynchburg, Va. in to Raleigh Durham, North Carolina I had a similar incident. I couldn’t hear any radio communication from the tower. I saw the green light and landed safely. I soon after landing I discovered I had some time during the flight turned down the volume of the radio.
@YabadabadooMrMagoo4 жыл бұрын
The quickest way to resolve what happened is to play back the black box to find out if there was any audio commands from air traffic control. And if so it shows a blatant disregard from the Canadian airplane to follow air traffic controls directions.
@edwardlewis19637 жыл бұрын
if the clip itself didn't tell me that the air traffic controller was saying "go around" i wouldn't have immediately known that that was what he was saying; he could have tried some change in wording instead of repeating the same two words in the exact same way; 'abort' 'don't land' 'up!'
@TonyP92797 жыл бұрын
"Go Around" is the official ATC phraseology for instructing to abort landing. The phrase "Don't land" will not be used because it contains the same word as "Clear To Land". If the radio was stepped on (meaning someone is talking on frequency at the same time), the pilots may hear only "...land".
@bullettube98636 жыл бұрын
It's very important that all controllers at all US airports use the same commands the same way. It might sound strange but even fairly good pilots can understand the transmissions.
@Tiger313NL6 жыл бұрын
Not only all American airports. They use the same terminology all over the world.
@mtabernig7 жыл бұрын
all they have to do is to listen to the cockpit voice recording. DhAAAA
@57Jimmy7 жыл бұрын
Watch out for all the Conspiracy Theorists! This is ripe with bait for them!
@gordonremsey80556 жыл бұрын
Air Canada be like *sOooO SoRRyyYy aBouuUUut tHaaaTt*
@djcarbines6 жыл бұрын
Pilot normally has to give a confirmation that atc instructions have been received and understood before being actioned. In UK anyway so that atc know you will follow the instruction
@barouchchum25606 жыл бұрын
who in their right mind would ever fly air canada?
@gabrielapelossi5 жыл бұрын
Dumby
@thefungusamongus39585 жыл бұрын
Canadians?
@magiccarp37106 жыл бұрын
Air traffic control should get English speakers.
@adamo857 жыл бұрын
Getting bored with losing luggage and providing poor customer service there, eh Air Canada?
@TurningOak7 жыл бұрын
Mick Biggins no. Getti g tired of receiving US peeps crossing our borders??!!👀🤘😉
@MymdBoeing4 жыл бұрын
SFO is one of the toughest airport. All pilots are required to have a minimum of 40 hrs of flight time PIC to land at SFO. The flight crew was busy trying to fix the radio problem. During the approach, the pilots fell behind.
@CruceEntertainment3 жыл бұрын
Tower cleared them to land, so the pilot switched to ground frequency before actually landing. Which is a no no, but they were cleared to land..... and then they weren’t.
@sanne37046 жыл бұрын
3:33 when aussie accent mixes with American accent
@D45VR6 жыл бұрын
can you say... TENERIFE ?
@nathan29264 жыл бұрын
Tenerife is hot news now dude
@velascosr4 жыл бұрын
At least it’s not an “Air Iran” or an “Air North Korea” 😂
@reidgibbs4 жыл бұрын
How is that funny?
@daviddarrow45066 жыл бұрын
What's wrong with stating the reason for go around? AC781 go around traffic on the runway might be a little more affective.
@diverbob87 жыл бұрын
Multiple Radios, yes, but not necessarily on the correct frequency.
@davida61467 жыл бұрын
Air Canada is not the same airline as it once was, sad
@martintheiss7436 жыл бұрын
I agree I think AC needs to return to its roots and earn some money.
@jefferyjin55517 жыл бұрын
Blame Airbus lol
@Mrcollachoke7 жыл бұрын
sensationalism noun (especially in journalism) the use of exciting or shocking stories or language at the expense of accuracy, in order to provoke public interest or excitement. "media sensationalism"
@ModMINI7 жыл бұрын
There's something wrong here. The issue is not whether we are trying to blame air traffic control, the pilots or equipment failure. The point is that an investigation is needed to find out what really went wrong and change processes to ensure it can never happen again. Nothing happened this time but it could have easily ended in tragedy.
@brigitb48506 жыл бұрын
This is not sensationalism, this is crazy! Outrageous, inexplicable! I’m dumbfounded as to how this could happen!
@svenmartin59047 жыл бұрын
Maybee they turned the volume down on the radio and forgot to increase it again. It happened to me twice. The red light could be difficult to detect at a large airport with all lights around. At some airports t hey use red firework signal instead. Very easy to observe as they move up in the sky. Former CPL
@georgiafain3747 Жыл бұрын
The Southwest pilot probably saved hundreds of lives . He turned off the runway when he saw the other plane coming
@jasonbell51526 жыл бұрын
Yep. Because these Air Canada amateurs turned down the radio to go through their landing checklist. With volume set to zero or inaudible couldn't hear tower ATC instructing a go around. Simple as that. Nothing wrong with the radios. The radios worked as perfect as ever when the crew chose to turn the volume back up after touch down to 5 by 5 at KSFO from the 0 by 5 from ATC's side on the short final when the AC crew turned their volume off.
@1littlelee6 жыл бұрын
readios are NEVER turned down on an A320 also if you try to turn the radios off, they stay on at an audible level, the simple fact is there was an issue in the cockpit at which time they are tasked to fix it and NOT respond to ATC
@ReneBuret6 жыл бұрын
The pilot / lawyer is a serious comedian. Drama queen all the way who knows nothing about flying.
@austinreed87466 жыл бұрын
prat
@Beachdudeca6 жыл бұрын
Must be the Language differences , The FAA might need an American to Canadian translator :)
@emilyder6 жыл бұрын
Beachdudeca do you mean French? Because Americans and Canadians speak the same language
@mujibrahman8996 жыл бұрын
Pony Squad It was a joke.
@lovlymax6 жыл бұрын
lol
@Rick911Mr6 ай бұрын
SFO is not the only airport with 2 parallel runways. 3 radios... we used to have 2 on tower and 1 on ground frequency
@lizard9446 жыл бұрын
When 781 first responded to the go around their radio sounded like it had a lot of static, so it is plausible that they had RFI or were in a signal depressed area.