Air Canada To Phase Out Boeing 737 MAX From Mainline Operations

[@TheRussianFloofCat]

Plane swap between Rouge and Air Canada is my guess Rouge gets the 737 Maxes and Air Canada gets the A321s with them retiring the A319s My hunch is that the 3 year timeline gives Air Canada time to wait a bit and see the state of manufacturing before they need to make a decision. Letting the supply chain issues sort out for both makers and see what happens next between Boeing and Airbus.

[@brandontobias1338]

agreed it also gives time for airbus to decide if they are going to stretch the a220 as they are also looking pondering to do a new narrow body to beat Boeing to it.

[@EmersonHaensel]

They're already actively taking Rouge A321s over to mainline

[@kkrsnn5632]

Also possible accounting gimmicks😉

[@David-XWB]

I feel like Air Canada is preparing to order the A320. Air Canada still operates a lot of narrow-body routes, and there is no reason for them to give up these routes. Since they have transferred all the Boeing 737 Max, they are most likely preparing to supplement them with the new A320 neo.

[@EmersonHaensel]

@David-XWB makes total sense to me. They just recently got 6 second hand A320 from Alaska Airlines. I doubt they're keeping them only for a couple of years since these planes aren't that old either. Also, AC invested in an extensive avionics upgrade for their Airbus Fleet

[@martymcfly256]

I'm Canadian. Rouge is not just a leisure airline. AC has Rouge flying a lot of domestic routes, too. Very often, you will book a ticket on AC, only for the flight to be changed to "operated by Rouge" a few days before departure. In my opinion, this is done on purpose, so AC can charge extraordinarily high prices, only to then pull a bait on switch on customers. Rouge aircraft have more rows and practically non existent legroom.

[@richardbirkenwald811]

Very true. Rouge in. AC out.

[@guigocn2]

That got me confused too, because I definitely flew Rouge many times on domestic routes

[@fadacious]

Agreed! I have always contested the term "low cost," as I have yet to see a difference in fares, be it a dollar value or by Aeroplan points. Our regular route to St. Lucia was switched to Rouge many years back. Almost always an archaic A319, with zero legroom, extremely uncomfortable seating and sub par service. And guess what it costs? The same as AC proper. Rouge is and always will be a scam.

[@jeffreyanderson1851]

No legroom? Sounds perfect for the 737max!

[@user-player2727]

No entertainment system

[@yodingdongyo]

1. It modernized Rouge's fleet on paper 2. It makes maintenance easier because one airframe and its common 3. Air Canda can move the Rogue 321's into their mainline fleet. 4. Air Canda can take the Rouge 767's out of the boneyard to fill in the gaps until their other 55 aircraft on order come in. Assessment: Smart decision

[@GoalHornGeek]

Also allows for more consistency with their product

[@christianargueta6942]

bravo sir

[@David-XWB]

I feel like Air Canada is preparing to order the A320. Air Canada still operates a lot of narrow-body routes, and there is no reason for them to give up these routes. Since they have transferred all the Boeing 737 Max, they are most likely preparing to supplement them with the new A320 neo.

[@EuropeanRailfan-AM]

They already have orders for the A321XLR

[@benhabot9526]

Either that or the A220. I strongly believe that they are holding out on the development of the A220-500.

[@TheShowblox]

Honestly a very interesting decision

[@miki_9034]

I say its a good decision. The number of time this plane is getting grounded is just too much.

[@SubaruSakamak1]

​@@miki_9034 The max 8 didn't get grounded

[@thecomedypilot5894]

@@miki_9034 This literally has nothing to do with the aircraft getting grounded.

[@miki_9034]

​@@SubaruSakamak1 Max 8 got grounded all over the world for approximately 20 months after the Ethiopian 737 crash in 2019. Then the Max 9 got grounded in the United States for 20 days after the Alaska airline incident.

[@SubaruSakamak1]

@@miki_9034 i know that but that was 5 years ago

[@iany2448]

Air Canada was one of the first major customers of Airbus narrow body A320 jets in late 1980s to early 1990s. When this first batch of narrow bodies were due for replacement, Air Canada standardized on Boeing 737Max. It seems it is having a second thought on this decision, likely due to changing fortunes of A320Neo vs B737Max.

[@georgedyson9754]

Not a great choice in my opinion. I would prefer not flying on any Boeing planes.

[@ronparrish6666]

@@iany2448 they actually have a Canadian Air Lines 320 in the Rouge fleet still flying from many years ago

[@PapaG603]

Interesting choice.. Honestly I think they should go with A220..My opinion its a much nicer more modern airplane than the MAX..Im not sure about capacity but given the option just my opinion flying in US I try to and am usually able to book on A220s and absolutely love them. Boeing really has some work to do and regain trust with not just passengers but their partners or customers.

[@thatweirdguy_ben]

Highly unlikely considering the A220s size, plus they have such few of them and they are already allocated towards shorter routes such as Toronto to Montreal. I imagine Rouge is not an extremely compelling option due to its limited legroom and interior space for customers and thus why they are switching to more modern and spacious aircraft.

[@EuropeanRailfanAlt]

Imagine if AC started using A220s on certain transatlantic flights

[@dagoose.]

What abt the transatlantic flights, like YHZ to LHR the xlrs aren’t gonna come till 2025, and I don’t think air canada will operate them in YHZ

[@Andygarrett357]

@@EuropeanRailfanAlt Knowing AC, be patient.

[@thatweirdguy_ben]

@@dagoose. Probably an A321 for the time being

[@chrisscott1958]

As a long time customer of Air Canada and a hater of the 737max I am pleased to hear this change. I avoid Rouge as much as I completely avoid the 737max, so it works for me. I did love those a319,s and will be sorry to see those little rockets go away.

[@kevinasaurus]

Would love this to be the beginning of the A220-500 story. I love the type! Time will tell I guess.

[@magnustan841]

That’s a shame cause inside they’re such an upgrade over the A320s they currently fly. Big bins, 21st-century IFE and the excellent low noise levels of the MAX. Maybe this is a sign that an A220-500 is just on the horizon and AC will gets its checkbook ready.

[@jfmezei]

The A220 is an Airbus Canada plane. This means that any investment is a joint one between Airbus (75%) and Québec (25%). Québec and Airbus keep postponing the year when Québec will sell its shares to Airbus (goal is for Québec to recuperate all the billions in sunk into project, a value which was halved when half of project was DONATED to Airbus. I think 2030 is the current target for Airbus to buy QC's shares and until that time, don't expect any aircraft launch. They have yet to increase production levels of the 220-100 and 220-300 to make the Airbus Canada LLP profitable.

[@bawhitham]

I think Air Canada management is driving the company into the ground and this move is no surprise.

[@AstroGoalHorns]

As someone who works under contract for them, I agree. I've never seen a flagship airline blatantly scam passengers, make repeated poor management decision after poor management decision, and cost cut like Air Canada does. I've seen it first-hand working as a gate agent. It's honestly disgusting. They're a fraud airline and I wouldn't be surprised if there is a major lawsuit for some idiotic thing they do in the next few years.

[@brianbrino4310]

Boeing had such an excellent reputation that I wish they can live up to that in the coming years by improving their next new models!

[@robytar]

Uh, what are the "new" models? The 1966 circa 737MAX?!

[@RonRichards-v5f]

@@robytar The first Max was delivered in 2017. Using your logic, the A321 is 40 years old.

[@RonRichards-v5f]

Boeing has an order book that will keep them busy for 10 years, even if they never get another order. They'll come back from the incompetent management of the last 20 years.

[@thecomedypilot5894]

@@robytar 🤦‍♂️

[@wyldhowl2821]

They have to clean out the corporate boardrooms of all the shady stock manipulator types, who are only interested in dividends & PR - put engineers back in charge and focus on quality & safety above all.

[@sainnt]

This means that Air Canada has no intention of getting rid of Rouge, but in light of their announcement to start charging passengers for Carry-on luggage, there will be nothing to separate an Air Canada basic economy passenger from a Rouge customer. These don't sound like very clever moves. However it may be a smart move to have fleet commonality in narrowbody and fleet commonality in widebody fleets, which means that they will operate Airbus narrowbody aircraft and Boeing widebody aircraft, similar to Jet Star.

[@rokuth]

It does streamline MRO, and crew training for the mainline and Rouge airlines. So cost savings on that side. However, as stated in the video, it does limit Flexibility in Rouge, and the ability to tailor aircraft usage according to capacity. It really depends on what Air Canada plans to do with Rouge in the long run.

[@Thegaming_husky]

Maybe they intend to move the youngest a321s to its main line fleet. but haven't made that choice public yet.

[@davidplayz840]

Air Canada rouge should just faze out the a319 for the max and keep adding a321 and maybe bring back 767 and get a320 neo

[@eamonahern7495]

Seems like their thinking was: "it works for the Southwest and Ryanair business models." Perhaps that's the direction they're going with rouge, with premium and service focus on the mainline airline. I'm also thinking they could alter the A321XLR order. But they're just my thoughts. I wouldn't be surprised if I'm wrong.

[@wyldhowl2821]

Canada always has this saga of "new budget air line makes a splash ---> budget airline goes bankrupt after 5-10 years". That includes budget vacation airlines like Air Transat and Sun Wing; they either go under or get bought up by the big two. AC and West Jet are the only two players of consequence. Porter is trying to make the Big 2 into the Big 3, but they are still a niche operator and AC and WJ will do what they usually do - run their discount proxy services (Rouge, Swoop) at a relative loss to out-compete the new entrant, until Porter runs out of cash and dies. The only reason WJ survived AC's onslaught was that inherent need in Canada for a not-AC option to keep AC honest.

[@Boffin55]

There's a reason that the verb "rouged" [to be screwed over] has entered the Canadian vocabulary.

[@mottyk8491]

I would love to understand why Air Canada needs Rouge - to me it makes no sense

[@jfmezei]

AC was headed for many years by ex Continetal folks (Hollis Harris Robert Milton etc). They brought in the Boeing mindset, got rid of the 747s and along with Air India were the unofficial launch customers for the 787 (before their orders, the 787 was languishing in sales). And they they unsurprisingly bought the 737 max to initially REPLACE the A320 family. Yet, the A320s didn't disappear, and after placing order for 321 XLRs, Air Canada recently announced cockpit upgrades on the 320s to match the new 321 cockpit. This was a sign that AC had changed its mind about the 320 going away. Another sign: Almost all of of the A320s operating for Air Canada today are not from the original purchase, but replaced with younger used aircraft that had been returned to lessor by other airlines. Other changes: exContinental execs are all but gone and AC is its own airline again. Have no idea whether AC may be rethinking the 737 due to capacity or because of reliability/Boeing issues. Having the despised Rouge limited to single aircraft type also simplifies crews management and union contracts. Remains to be seen what happens the 737s. Wouldn't be surprise to see their numbers quietly diminish as they are returned to lessor(s). Obviously, this accouncement begs the qyestion of when/where AC will get 320s for mainline.

[@alexs6352]

Incoming A220-500 announcement with AC as the launch operator?

[@johncassels3475]

That's an intriguing possibility - unfortunately I don't think it the most likely, but I can hope!

[@SRT8-u6y]

Streamline mainline fleet ...AB narrowbodies, Boeing widebodies !! Smart move.

[@alexisr.diazmartinez5900]

Good move by Air Canada

[@thecomedypilot5894]

Not really, at least not in the way you’re thinking.

[@ABaseballPlayer]

That’s definitely a big decision hope it works out for air Canada

[@tylerduchesneau]

Ac just started getting the 737 before the max crashes. Probably should stick to a320 in the future.

[@Freshg6498]

So are they gonna get the neos?

[@dodoubleg2356]

Surprised AC has such an old A319/20/21 fleet.

[@mattd1142]

I like the idea but I don’t think they should move all of them to Rouge. I feel like 40 is a lot for Rouge. I’d put most of them to Rouge but not all. I’d keep some with the mainline fleet. This may end up being the case idk

[@Swissspookie]

Good!

[@lokesh303101]

Good Decision.

[@RonRichards-v5f]

There are 10 airlines lined up to buy those used 737's if they don't give them to their subsidiary.

[@caribbb]

It is an odd gap. Switching some A321XLR’s to A320neo’s could be their option but that might cramp their overseas expansion plans. Taking A321s from Rouge probably will happen and fill in the gap a little. I wouldn’t be surprised by an A320neo order soon. It could be they’re counting on an A220-500 development although I can’t imagine that will be available to completely fill in the gap in 2-3 years. I’m curious to see what happens if anything. Air France has the same gap issue too and they’ve done nothing to fill it in yet. They’re pushing for the A220-500.

[@benhabot9526]

The A220s will fill the gap in the domestic market. If Air Canada regularly puts A321XLRs on domestic routes, it'll be a waste. And I agree with your point that AC is holding out on the development of the A220-500.

[@caribbb]

@ XLR’s domestically would be a waste. I did read once they do want to send them from YYZ/YUL to LAX/SFO because of their premium cabins. It could also be a lot of MAX size routes will just move over to Rouge.

[@PlaneSpotterRVer314]

Also Air Canada got a bunch of newer 10 year old A320s this year. My guess is AC Rouge gets the 737 MAX 8s and Air Canada will refurbish the AC Rouge A319s, A320s and A321s for the main land fleet

[@roberthowell7095]

You can add this to the conversion. On a recent Air Canada flight from SFO to YVR. It was on a recently acquired of 5 A321's from another airline. The flight attentant apologized as the interiors hadn't been upgraded yet. Is this the start of going back to the A320's over the Max 8?

[@SU95X]

This, i had the exact same experience. I think they are trying to go all airbus on the mainline as its wider better and more comfortable. The max in rouge cabins will probably go to the basic set ups with no IFE and somewhat like flair. With where the max will fly i thin kthey have also better servicibility on the 37

[@roberthowell7095]

If the Max does go over to Rouge it would be nice to keep the IFE as a bonus for those passengers. That A320 I referred to had no IFE, along with the smaller overhead storage. Once those 5 aircraft are upgraded with the larger overhead bins, lighting and seats with IFE. It will be the same as their Max 8's which I flown on several times with no hesitation.

[@Thesmellofrain-h6o]

Very interesting. Didn’t know that Air Canada’s mainline a320/21 series was so old. Yes, what exactly will they do to cover for their missing aircraft? Surely they will go Airbus for their mainline fleet but unless they’ve got something up their sleeve the deliveries would be quite far off. Good for Rouge, I guess…

[@GalaxyNokiaGames]

i assume AC is also transfering their Airbus fleet from rouge to mainline soon

[@zacherius137]

Nah, with an average age of 25+ years I believe they're done.

[@fuzzwork]

​@@zacherius137the ex Air Berlin A321s Rouge has are not that old, they'll go mainline, everything else is probably scrap

[@Blank00]

Only the A321s, but not the smaller Airbuses

[@dmitripogosian5084]

​@@Blank00where do you need a321 on internal Canadian routes where MAX'S are used now ?

[@realadrieno]

I’m hoping this will allow them to run more A330s on high-demand short haul routes currently using the 737s and A220s

[@FLT111]

I never understood why they went with the type in the first place. They had the A320 family already, the next logical step is to go for the NEO. Why add a brand new fleet type....

[@fuzzwork]

They had an ex Continental executive for a while who had a hard-on for Boeing

[@Blank00]

The MAX8 is more efficient than the A320NEO (the variant)

[@AaronSmith-kr5yf]

Did Air Canada have a bunch of older 737-800/900 planes they were also using? If they went from having zero 737 to 40 737 Max, that's a lot of pilot retraining. Or hiring new pilots that are 737 certified but might not be airbus certified. Complicates things from a maintenance perspective as well.

[@fuzzwork]

​@@AaronSmith-kr5yfAC actually never operated any variants of the 737NG, they did on rare occasions wet lease some for summer high season though.

[@sayorancode]

​@@Blank00 they are about the same

[@rudolfespinola9231]

Good decision.

[@malvinuku7878]

Which aircraft will do the Halifax to London route ?

[@ihaka3925]

Probably a321xlr

[@malvinuku7878]

@ I doubt it as it’ll be a waste of range…. The A319 did this previously

[@managed9348]

Probably the a220

[@Rasscasse]

I’ve definitely seen the Max 8 come in to LHR from Canada. Doesn’t need an XLR, a regular 321 can do it easily. Jet Blue do it.

[@dagoose.]

@@malvinuku7878could be the 767s, they’re returning to service, and thus route used to be operated by a 767

[@Patrickair4444]

Air Canada eventually ordered the a320neo

[@fuzzwork]

A321XLR yes, no announcement for A320neo as of yet

[@ZiggyStardust-pk5wt]

I thought it was a bad decision to buy the Max in the first place. AC cannot have been too pleased with the technical and engineering issues that have since emerged on this aircraft. On the other hand they have gotten great service from their Airbus narrow body aircraft many of which are quite old. I've often wondered if the order of the Max aircraft was somehow related to the Airbus scandal when Brian Mulrooney was PM, with AC trying to distance themselves from it.

[@wyldhowl2821]

Sounds like AC is consolidating all A321s under the AC banner; just looking at the ages of the planes, the A319s and A320s mentioned might end up sold off one by one as they age out first. The move of all 737 Max 8's to Rouge makes some sense in the context of whether they believe Boeing is actually capable of delivering those orders on time (and on-quality) or will continue to fumble any Max-related activities. If they think anything "Max" is a higher risk, then the decision can be seen as a move to place all that risk upon their Rouge operations rather than their mainline ones.

[@Vicstarz26]

Exciting news for Rouge and a lot more announcements to come starting next year! 🙌🏼🇨🇦 Rouge will be growing its Max fleet size and another aircraft type to join the Rouge family. Rouge will be how it was pre-pandemic and growing more to live up to the leisure title.

[@mikehocquard2843]

I think many people will get ripped off from buying tickets that will be switched from AC mainline to Rouge due to "unavoidable aircraft availability" issues. They already do it, but now it'll get worse.

[@Joce1919]

Now that all Air Canada service is a Lowcost airline, Sending the cheap Boeing Max to the cheap part of it's operation make sense.

[@Ryuuranger]

This makes sense because if 737 Max 8s swap to the Rouge Fleet but all the old A320 and A321 on both the Air Canada Fleet and Rouge Fleet need to replace them with the A320neo and A321neo and A321neoXLR and retire the older aircrafts

[@TroyMorePhotography]

I liked the comfort of the Max on mainline AC. I wonder if AC has finally had enough of Boeing and want an Airbus mainline fleet? The 777s are also aging. Maybe an A320/A350 order is in the works?

[@Blank00]

They already ordered the A321XLR. I can see them ordering standard A321NEO or LR, but not the smaller A320NEO because that variant is less efficient than a MAX8 in the current AC config. Maybe the mainline is betting on fewer planes with more capacity per plane. Their 777s still have some life left in them, they use the 1.5 gen of 777s

[@farnorth7314]

Being a Canadian we know too well what will happen....AC will screw over smaller centres by cutting service and raising fares. If competition moves in the will raise service and cut fares until they have driven the late comer out,, then they will return to lousy service and high prices. The government is fine with this...AC has never ever been dealt with by "regulators" for their tactics.

[@gpaull2]

You forgot about losing money, taking a tax payer funded bailout, then giving the CEOs a huge bonus for losing less money than they expected.

[@fadacious]

Classic.

[@a.a.p3254]

One can always fly Porter Airlines it’s a excellent carrier. Based out of Billy Bishop Island airport in Toronto! Cheers 🇨🇦

[@a.a.p3254]

⁠@@gpaull2The government of Canada sold it’s stake last week at a huge profit. Let’s not forget the government of Canada as well as the Quebec government have been given $$ BILLIONS $$ to the Beaudoin family Bombardier over the last 20 years.

[@farnorth7314]

@@a.a.p3254 Would love to but they don't fly out of North Bay...they did until AC cut rates so low that Porter left, then our flights got reduced by 75% and the cost doubled.

[@TransportManUK]

Isn’t the Halifax-LHR flights 737max8, is that going to continue under another airliner

[@StormFanatic210]

My guess would be that they’re going to replace the 737 Max in the Mainline Fleet with the A320NEO and A321NEO. It would make since given they already operate the A320CEO Family and have the A321XLR incoming.

[@Blank00]

@@StormFanatic210 they will most likely use the A321NEO, LR, and XLR. But they are unlikely to use the A320NEO. They already have the MAX8 and it is more efficient than the A320NEO

[@tahnalos3677]

Initially I was thinking that the A321XLR order was to be used by both mainline and Rouge for thinner transatlantic routes. Now it seems that the 737MAX is going to do that for Rouge only. Looks like Rouge European destinations appear to be back.

[@mariachrzski18]

Keep in mind that once the fleet swap is done, AC mainline will have 19 A320ceos. Fins 235-242, 417-422, and 5 from Rouge (243-247). My guess is that the rest of the older A320s and all A319s will be retired. Manline already took one out I think (C-FYJI).

[@EuropeanRailfanAlt]

With the MAX's moved to Rouge, AC won't have any suitable aircraft for not-as-popular long haul flights until the A321XLR gets delivered to them in 2025

[@rockqc91]

That’s why the Max is transitionning in a period of 3 years

[@jantjarks7946]

They aren't in a hurry. And to be honest, the MAX reputation is turning it into a plane for LC/LCCs only anyways.

[@eyesoncheese]

I guess Air Canada is preparing to be the launch customer of the new A220-500 for the 140-180 seat capacity segment and may convert some of the A220-300 to A220-500.

[@hugochan2821]

After 50 years, still so many service bulletin for B737. Nothing right about these. After 50 years, people still find flaws in this plane that could be catastrophic. Do you see service bulletin on A320?

[@fuzzwork]

Sure, comes with every software update

[@EuropeanRailfan-AM]

Service bulletins are a thing of every plane

[@ericjones7769]

Interesting

[@mangleshbhalla5846]

Air Canada is using 737 Max on intercontinental flights right now. I flew between London nd Halifax few times in those planes. Once they are moved to its subsidiary, let’s see which plane Air Canada will be using to replace Boeing 737 Max on those routes.

[@rockqc91]

Mostly the A321XLR

[@sundragon7703]

This segment should have stated the length of the Airbus queue for narrow-bodies for the size of the gap that the 737 MAX filled.

[@mrvwbug4423]

Seems like Air Canada is maybe looking to shift most of their domestic operations to Rogue and focus the mainline on long haul oeprations, and that is mostly due to Canada's broken airport system where domestic flight slots cost a fortune and why Canadian domestic flights are so expensive. It's the main reason why Canadians usually travel abroad vs traveling within Canada.

[@khalidabdulghani]

Seems like a very strange decision by Air Canada. What will happen to Rouge’s current A319/20/21s? Some seem too young to be retired

[@jimmyjackkkk9770]

I wonder if the Air Canada pilots follow their 737s to Rouge so there isn’t new training needed

[@rockqc91]

Yes they do. At AC, Mainline and Rouge is the same entity for pilots.

[@emilhilmy7740]

A220 also provide similar range with A320, thus Air Canada can use it for thinner route. While A321 XLR have flexibility for mid thicker routes and longer range thin routes. Don't think they need A320 neo, as there's potentially no gap with their fleet set up.

[@cskvision]

AC will have to lease a320neos to fill the gap. Good luck with that as demand for leasing outweighs supply. Ordering new neos? Wait in line for over 6 years.

[@poutinenator]

Since the scandalous crashes, I still avoid all B737 flights. I still feel uneasy. On the other hand, the old A319 and A320 on AC are so dated and uncomfortable.

[@robytar]

The 737NG are pretty much time tested. The MAX is doomed. One more crash/hiccup is all it will take.

[@Free-g8r]

They'll still use the Rouge 737's on domestic routes. I'm going to go out on a limb and say they have insider information that Airbus is going to produce an A220-500. And they will order that as a gap filler between the A220-300 and the A321.

[@JamesSnell-rc5xt]

They'll probably expand Rouge operations into routes that are currently being handled by mainline. Unfortunate, as Rouge cabins are somewhat uncomfortable by comparison. Further evidence though that Boeing continues to be in a world of hurt.

[@thenorthwestguy4202]

This saddens me alot! I love Air Canada's MAX, and for a person who HATES Rouge!! This means we'll be losing the nice interior. Let's just hope the A 321 retro fit is as nice as the MAX

[@charlesmoss8119]

This may be an odd one - but for me it is the toilets. On the latest A320 in BA service they have made the toilets so small that whichever way you enter you may have to maintain 😂 and i'm not especially large. The crew also seem to hate the plane as the loo has taken up hlf the galley space - sure they squeeze an extra row but gosh it's an odd experience going for a 'comfort break' on a neo.

[@ronparrish6666]

If there going to put the 737 over to Rouge this is going to be like flying on of West Jet's swoop planes since the 737 is more narrow then the 320

[@maplebaconYWG]

Next step, swap out the 787s and 767s for A350s.

[@mississaugaicedogs]

Air Canada should just order 41 more A220s to replace the 737s. but without the government having a controlling interest any more, they may not.

[@fdanieln8759]

I sniff an order coming for the A320NEO, and Rouge doing transatlantic flights again out of Atlantic Canada

[@juniorcampbell2980]

I am.shocked by this decision.i thought AC was on its way to be an all Boeing aircraft on its mainline operations. On the other ens of the spectrum i wonder what they will do on their 777LRs which they use on YYZ/YVR to SYD and YYZ/DEL.

[@jantjarks7946]

Why would anyone want Boeing MAX on a reputable airline? Boeing MAX is at most for low cost carriers, but nothing else. At least until the next Boeing falls out of the sky due to missing documentation, failed production audits, faulty parts installed or even outright missing parts. And let's not forget, this is a Canadian airline, the country that wasn't very happy about what Boeing did.

[@F22Raptor33]

This had the writing on the wall since the new agreement was signed between AC and the pilots union. They cannot have the same types spread across the 2. One type for rouge ( max) one type for mainline ( airbus). This is what the pilots wanted. Just like the pilots at west jet discontinued swoop. I’m all for it.

[@koharumi1]

Imagine if the max has another crash. Wonder what would happen?

[@wadehiggins1114]

It will happen. It's a matter of time.

[@GintaPPE1000]

Imagine wanting people to die to satisfy your curiosity.

[@jantjarks7946]

Considering the missing documentation, installed faulty parts or parts installed wrong, if not even missing outright, it's no surprise if it happens. Not that I would wish it to happen. But let's be realistic, it has a reason why 33 out of 89 production audits have failed. No one can be certain about those plane's safety standards which have been built until then.

[@benhabot9526]

Although AC is most likely making room for the A321XLR, I wouldn't put it past them to order a few A220s, too. Obviously, AC put its MAXs on both domestic and international routes. However, in my opinion, if they replace them with only XLRs, a good chunk of those new planes won't be put to their intended use (thin demand, long-haul routes). In other words, AC will waste the A321XLR's potential if they regularly place them on domestic routes like YYZ-YYC and YYZ-YVR, routes that the A220 is meant to serve. While the MAX is a more flexible aircraft, in my opinion, both the A321XLR and A220 objectively outperform the MAX. However, those two planes are meant for two completely different market segments, and Airbus doesn't currently a plane that is a hybrid of the two. And with the MAXs gone, AC will need a plane that can fill the gap in the domestic market, which, again, is where the A220 comes in. Anyway, that's my opinion. Let me know your thoughts below.

[@fuzzwork]

@benhabot9526 they still have 25 A220 undelivered on their current order

[@benhabot9526]

@fuzzwork Oh, I wasn't aware of that. Thanks! I think they should order at least five more. That would fill the domestic gap completely.

[@troyjollimore4100]

I think we’ve found one of the reasons behind their decision to cut down on carry-ons…

[@harkmi3]

Good, I can’t stand flying the 737 max in business class. Especially when they use it on transcontinental.

[@planesandcooking5142]

Must be getting more gently used leased A320 family jets as replacements in mainline.

[@Dan-v7y1o]

When a company cares more about stock price then passengers safety, they should no longer have the trust of the customer. I refuse to fly in any recently built Boeing aircraft.

[@robytar]

ALL major companies (in the USA) has same philosophy.

[@Ananth8193]

Will they have rouge name in all their 737 max 8 aircrafts

[@jmickmac1]

In a way isn't it aligning with a lot of low cost north American carriers that utilize max aircraft?

[@RM24-i3s]

Is this because of the 737 MAX's bad safety record (quality control issues)?

[@tallmansfavorites7563]

I would suspect there is an incentive being offered AC by Airbus. Publicly dump the Boeing aircraft ( even tho they are only sliding to a division of Air Canada, the public will see a different name and not make the connection) and place a huge order of faith in Airbus and get an industry leading discount on the new aircraft.

[@skatesrock]

The airbus is way more comfortable to fly on. I say this as a lifelong AC flyer

[@IskandarIbrahim-d4e]

737 max needed to be a mostly carefully thinking and considering to being operated for 737 max bad reputation and why airliners stills orders 737 max and moving to other models likes a320 neo?

[@JungleJetAviation06]

Everyone keeps ordering the A321neo, I have no clue why airlines stopped ordering the A320neo, or if they ordered it and why they switched it to the 321. Is that why JetBlue wanted Spirit? Because they would have access to 320neos? Anyways, maybe Air Canada will buy the 320neo.

[@simondahl5437]

Superior operating economics. Providing that you can fill them of course.

[@JungleJetAviation06]

@ So do you think JetBlue wanting Spirit’s 320neos so it wouldn’t have to wait for Airbus to have availability is an inaccurate statement?

[@simondahl5437]

@@JungleJetAviation06 No I’m sure that’s correct. It would have been an excellent way to procure aircraft quickly and getting an edge while everyone else is stuck in line. I don’t think the A320s specifically is what JetBlue was seeking, they just needed more aircraft. But as to why everybody’s ordering the A321 as opposed to the A320, the answer would be operating economics.

[@JungleJetAviation06]

@ Gotcha, thanks Simon!

[@farnorth7314]

p.s. there is no such thing as a bad decision by AC...if things don't work out, the Canadian taxpayers are always there to bail out bad management.

[@robertdouglas9130]

Lead customer for 797 ?

[@germanpoweractivated]

oh well

[@crowguy506]

Prepping to sell Rouge and ditch Boeing simultaneously?

[@ianschiller9612]

Wow

[@richardbirkenwald811]

Rouge is mainline now.

[@dmitripogosian5084]

Never see Rouge at YEG, I thought it is gone now. And all flights around to YUL, YYZ were on MAXES, it seems

[@GallagherMoye]

[@adshdhhhd7783]

Rouge operates old aircrafts. They needed to get new ones anyway.

[@joeyjoe3ful]

Sounds like rouge may take routes off Air Canada to reduce costs

[@terry8014]

just buy more a320neos please 😊

[@ThePearson1945]

Ohh 😮😮

[@bsmith1164]

Rouge is a garbage airline and the 321s are not properly equipped and seating is cattle class. They fly the 321 Toronto to Kelowna, but are not able to do the RNAV approach to runway 34 at Kelowna (active at least 40% of the time). They often end up holding for an approach to 16 and taking a tailwind or doing a weird VFR circling approach to 34 in a very mountainous region, or even diverting to Vancouver. No such problems for the Air Canada 737s. Rouge should be phased out or blended with Jazz as a regional carrier. Their aircraft are not mainline worthy.

[@uraymeiviar]

why would people want to fly with max ?!

[@ChrisCokeRobinson]

Lesser quality plane for low cost subsidiary airline...Sounds perfect to me.

[@fadacious]

Except Rouge is not really low cost.