Air Force Calls This SHOCK and AWE: Boot Camp (Marine Reacts)

[@JamesonsTravels]

Navy's New "Hardcore" Boot Camp - kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXqTeoige62lhJI. Shits getting REAL in the military.

[@pamcone9304]

Make them watch full mental jacket

[@guyfawkes4454]

It's because if you have never been in a fight before a thumb wrestle is traumatic and will be labeled as 'shock & awe.'

[@davidstaudohar6733]

Haaaaa Haaaa AIR Force boot camp is a laughable Joke that's gone WOKE and then BROKE , ‼️. Semper Fidelis , this is a complete 180 from what I went through in Marine Corps boot camp in 1976, PLT 3133 , at MCRD San Diego CA ,

[@sethwallace4878]

You find it annoying because you went through boot camp vs whatever the hell they are calling this. AF pt is about as soft as their tp…

[@davidstaudohar6733]

@@sethwallace4878 The one thing I really liked about the Air Force was the MAC flights out of Charleston combined Air Base , I could board a C -47 transport and fly anywhere in the World I wanted to , Having Top secret clearance code classification had it's Perks Seth , you can't blame these recruits they're just doing what they're told to do And hopefully following orders, this debacle and hypocrisy and mismanagement lies on the commanding officers , Not the Boots or the enlisted personnel that are entrusted to train them ‼️

[@timothymccoy1569]

My son is an officer in one of our military services. He tells me how weak, slow and soft the new recruits are. My son-in-law is in the Army and he tells me the same thing.

[@rossbabcock2974]

I'm so glad I went through Marine Boot Camp! I couldn't handle the stress of the Air Force basic training!

[@Stinky_sack]

I know man. Idk how these AF recruits handle this stress mentally. So much yelling idk how they do it

[@psychopompous3207]

Yeah, I can imagine that being useless is stressful. Something I'm sure most of these recruits can attest to.

[@onepunch9203]

OoRAH!

[@davidromero2870]

The stress of trying so hard not to piss yourself laughing at crap!! Semper Fi brother

[@Kahaka99]

You had it sooo easy compared to them!🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@arnodorian9538]

Aif force: "the fear if you're not ready in the 5 minutes is just terrifying" Marines: "You guys are getting minutes?"

[@tristanholland6445]

Air Force has gotten a lot softer. 20 years ago it was definitely harder than this. Air Force basic has always been more mental than physical but this stuff looks pretty soft. That being said even the Marine Recruit Training is softer today.

[@cannewbold5857]

Then the marine proceeds a crayon

[@chrisbeauvais3230]

Yup OIF 1 we had to always wait on the army counter battery radar to get ready. Had to tell me fellow motor t Marine's that if you see the them breaking down their gear get ready to move.

[@ramathorn1982]

My thoughts as well...10 Seconds was the count down for everything in basic training and it was often counted down in double time!

[@danthelowblood2653]

@@tristanholland6445 >marine recruit is softer today Goofy ahhh

[@frankackerman8408]

The United States Chair Force. Part of their field kit is a combat coffee cup.

[@prodigy-hu6dy]

Hey we get the legs wherever they need to do

[@altus65]

Really an old AF vet, did basic 1961. We actually had instructors who would kick, punch and various others methods to get their point across. We learned quickly to move and obey. Many of our instructors were from the Army, and when the Air Force separated they moved to the Air Force. A lot of those instructors had been in Korean War.

[@airdefender1]

My dad went through in '61 as well. He was always telling me how "nice" the MTI was 🤣He had said there were Korean War and some WW2 vets as well.

[@tonyjones1560]

My father went through Air Force basic in 1951. WWII vets all over the place, they would definitely knock you on your @$$.

[@Hawkeye6936]

Check the creation date of the Air Force. In '61 the Army MTI's were long gone.gone.

[@rwdchannel2901]

I'm sure when the North Koreans capture these Air Force recruits, they'll be nicer to them than they were to the one's in 1953.

[@A_YouTube_Commenter]

I think the Postal Service might be too rough for these kids, much less than the actual military.

[@JamesonsTravels]

band camp. aka shock and awe.

[@DDGVET4]

The Postal Service is too hard for the Postal Service these days.

[@johnlozauskas778]

I think it's a generational thing. Anything for these kids that is not spoon fed vanilla is Very hard for them t o mental adjust. At work a millennial was breaking my stones, so I did one back. The whole room was stunned. I wanted to next give the Clint Eastwood line: "Did you ever come across someone who you should not have f--ked with. Hats off to these young people for stepping up.

[@aaronburns9538]

Ive heard horror stories of Air Force recruits being put in "time-out" for up to five minutes. One kid was left in time-out amd the instructor forgot about him. They came back an hour later and he was nearly dead from loneliness. He was never the same and was service connected seperated and he remains catatonic to this day.

[@lpg12338]

@@aaronburns9538 LOL! 🤣👍

[@jackhampton2062]

"Forced me to call her and listen to her cry". That one cracked me up. Pure abuse lol

[@JamesonsTravels]

jack thanks for being member. what you saw was the gov attempt at recruiting. ouch.

[@Demicleas]

@@JamesonsTravels bots are pretending to be you tbh. Scam bots everywhere these days with there "MuH ReWaRdS!!!"

[@mdmarko]

This guy made it through, apparently became an air traffic controller. The Hispanic guy didn't make it through basic training. Watched all eight of these shows, about one hour each. Some of the instructors were impressive, the fat female, not so much. Went through AF basic training in 1974. We lived in WWII barracks, no air-conditioning.

[@jacobwelsh462]

I’m in the airforce and I can tell u our boot camp is a straight up joke😂 it’s almost impossible to fail mentally or physically

[@JamesonsTravels]

Jacob. Question. I think they would recruit better by hardening it up a tad. I think recruits want that. Not saying USMC stuff but get them proud to be new Af guys.

[@reidycruise]

@@JamesonsTravels meanwhile in the uk whites won’t be selected for diversity reasons lol

[@paulywalnuts1776]

I agree brother. I thought BMT was a joke back then and it's gotten even easier now. And now I have to lead these snowflakes 🤦

[@jacobwelsh462]

I 100% agree. It causes a problem and gives a lot of individuals a big head about wearing the uniform. I would love for basic to mold an individual like it’s supposed to. Appreciate ur videos and love the sense of humor. The other big problem in the airforce😂

[@erikkunkle9574]

@@JamesonsTravels I would like it to be harder and to Make you An Airman. Our history is no joke (especially WW II) and we damn near have to make it a mandatory fun thing to get people to go to the AF Ball.

[@TellThaTruth]

What's so "terrifying"? The fact that they have air conditioning in basic training even when they go to the field.

[@cpmow831]

The sundae bar doesn’t have a lot of toppings

[@mlang20]

USMC boot camp was hell at Parris Island in May 1976. All our drill instructors were young and had been to Nam and they were crazy as hell and they bust our asses too.😁😁😁😁😁

[@TopWorldTalentHD]

I turned 27 in AF basic training. The main challenge I faced was that everyone around me was 18 years old, my drill instructor was like 23.

[@mjisurdad]

Facts! I was 34 there. 10 years older than most.

[@TopWorldTalentHD]

@@mjisurdad So you definitely understand where I'm coming from.

[@ChiTownGuerrilla]

How's it feel to be a pawn.

[@TopWorldTalentHD]

@@ChiTownGuerrilla It used to feel rather bad, but I can't complain because now I'm a King..

[@BlahBlah-em2ed]

Lol hard to come to grips that your 27 and people far younger than you didn’t waste 10 years of their lives goofing off or failing at life.

[@FOD-x1e]

My son's full diaper is harder than all these recruits, calling this shock and awe is a major disrespect to anyone who went through actual fear and life threatening events.

[@JamesonsTravels]

the trucker's belly i just saw was harder than what i just witnessed.

[@SpaceRanger187]

its crazy..I have a friend who is still in the AF I think a TSGT anyways one of the people in command is a male that identifies as female..And some new troop that didn't know and had never met the person, said yes sir to her and they are kicking him out for sexual assault and racism ..gtfo..wtf are they doing to our military.. China is going to be able to just take over so easy

[@christopherwood2796]

Stool softener should do the trick. Then what fills your son's diaper should be soft enough for air force basic!

[@em2attic]

Im fucking dying lmfao!!! But you arent wrong!

[@dirtyoldman3]

Lighten up guy

[@F-15spec]

I completed Air Force basic training in 1985. It was simply a strick, disciplined summer camp. But the boot camp today is unrecognizable to me. Frankly, it's embarrassing.

[@AMXSShirt]

Agree. ‘84 here. I think we were a bit more squared away and responsible coming in back then. Price paid to work the job I wanted.

[@F-15spec]

@@AMXSShirt I wholeheartedly agree.

[@gotmikl3075]

90' ... Yeah, more mental than physical. They kept us exhausted and too tired to fight back.

[@ArmyVet-uf6wx]

That is what happens when liberals have power. They screw everything up and soften everything down because they can't make through tough and strict bootcamps. Liberals are weak.

[@3OCALM1]

1982 3723rd here. Yes, I agree.

[@theimmortal4718]

So scary. Don't know how they survived. So stunning and brave

[@diligentsun1154]

Stunning AND Brave!

[@rankedblanket8827]

my grandfather was an vietnam vet in the airforce he said the training is so easy now

[@paulgordon9648]

I did USAF basic in '75 it was the second toughest training I went through after the Cub Scouts.

[@silent1967]

You got that right brother, it was a cake walk.

[@cday7582]

Oh my gosh … you hit the nail on the head! 😂

[@AshtonTheMelon]

I went in back in 2015. Even then, I felt it was soft. We were the trial run for a "less aggressive" model. We were also the overcorrection for all the SAPR training from all those sex assault cases back in 2013. Which were bad, but when I saw Master Sergeant, begging to not have his career ruined because the power of the "comment cards" that can be written by new trainees, I knew everything was fucked.

[@psychopompous3207]

Fu ck that. He likely wasn't making Senior anyways. He had the choice to make the right decision and just retire as a MSgt. Hopefully, he had the honor to do the right thing

[@em2attic]

@@psychopompous3207 bro they were at one point throwing mf out for rightfully calling somebody a "fuckin idiot".

[@bargainhuntbricks420]

Went through the same year and I concur.

[@Mamba503]

Went through in 2020 and it’s absolute cake.

[@Talotta1991]

Tbf those rape cases were nuts, I went through in 2011 and it was something like 10 MTIs were banging trainees.

[@formallyknownasj.a.2074]

I’m in complete shock and awe that they call that boot camp.

[@airdefender1]

The one dude looks like he's about to cry!

[@gmen3066]

You will hit you snooze alarm no more than three times. JFC, shock and awe indeed.

[@dirtwhisperer658]

AF veteran here from the 1980's. This looks fairly relaxed from what we went thru in basic training. You still have to give these young people credit for even joining tho. I expect 90% of them have never been yelled at or even told no. That is the society we live in now and it really makes you worry about the future of our military.

[@bobbys4327]

the future of the country

[@Optim40]

@@bobbys4327 🤣

[@cycleguy1943]

AF 83-89..I totally agree 👍

[@homerj5782]

Spent most of my military career in the Air Force but I did go through Army basic at Fort Knox. The last week or so of basic we did get a female drill and I agree, as a male I was never really afraid of her. Gave her the respect of being a drill sergeant but that was it.

[@usafret4709]

Not the Air Force basic training I went through in 88. While I can still say it was the easiest compared to the other branches, we had shark attacks, knife hand, hat brim popping you in the forehead when they were yelling at you, bunks flipped, wall lockers trashed, etc. Still remember Airmen not getting down, "Sir, Ariman XXXX reports as ordered!" So, they would have to stand in the mirror for 15 minutes having to repeat, "Sir, Airman DipShit reports as ordered!!"

[@fuglyxs3514]

I can confirm it was still like this 2002. Oh man you brought back some memories of those damn MTI hats haha

[@usafret4709]

@@fuglyxs3514 Yep, nothing like a brim to the forehead and spit in the face while they were tearing down the civilian and rebuilding you as an Airman. Looking back, it all makes sense. If you can't fold your underwear and t-shirts into 6 inch squares, so I really want you torquing bolts to spec on an F-16?

[@b.entranceperium]

2003, also

[@jamesb2291]

2003, but even by the time I got out in 2007 the Air Force had softened considerably. I'm sure it's a joke now

[@usafret4709]

@@jamesb2291 I guess they don't use the pronoun "dipshit" anymore, huh? Feelings hurt, triggered and safe spaces. Getting shelled in Balad in 04, only safe space was a kevlar vest and sandbags. Hadji didn't give a crap about your pronouns and trigger words.

[@truthbetold1855]

It's shocking, and I'm in awe of how easy this looks.

[@heribertogonzalez3186]

This dude Does “NOT” Know what shock & awe is !!!

[@turdferguson2839]

Gotta remember, these kids have never been yelled at, told to be quiet or forced to do anything they didn't like. Having the ladies yelling would remind me of my grandma's house at Christmas lol

[@ianmccutcheon6759]

It's definitely possible these recruits were stressed. I went through the police academy almost 25 years ago and it was fascinating how much recruits melted when they were yelled at. I'm not giving anyone the satisfaction but some recruits would break down crying and lose their minds...and quit.

[@peterruiz6117]

Ditto. Thirty years ago, I saw a young woman scared out of going to my class, by the school sup...He simply told her what could happen to you, as a cop. And there were a couple of graduates I would never trust......But THIS stuff is really depressing !

[@requited2568]

I know you get it but that is the idea, to get rid of the dead weight.

[@ianmccutcheon6759]

I agree that there is an aspect of cutting dead weight and I was glad to see those people leave. But there is a numbers game as well. If too many people are washed out, the administration can see it as too tough. But if not enough people are going, the guys out in the field/streets can see it as too easy. Many of the people who they tried hard to keep going ended up failing later in high stress situations anyways. But my attitude is probably considered outdated and old school now.

[@huwhitecavebeast1972]

That is pathetic.

[@Drtydeeds]

oh no, stress...

[@boobookittypuck9386]

The “shock an awe” I think was meant to be aimed at the audience because of how weak our new armed forces are becoming. Having all that swath of information won’t amount to much if newly grad recurits from any branch have the stress tolerance of a gerble

[@paleamigo8575]

The safety of America rests squarly on the shoulders of the USMC, and the Tier 3 and above community.

[@jordanpoole3425]

*weak* but they had the balls to go to Afghanistan. Bet you wouldn’t tho

[@jordanpoole3425]

@@aletheiahenosis5962 Sorry buddy I don’t call people soft who put there life on the line for there country🤡 If its so soft how about you enlist in the marines or army during the next war time…Then we will see who is soft.

[@jordanpoole3425]

@@aletheiahenosis5962 You don’t have the right to talk about the USA then buddy🤡 We literally protect you and the whole of Europe so why are you talking🤡 We also pay for most of your military budget to keep you protected and can put your country back into the Stone Age so be grateful for the USA😂.

[@davefletch3063]

All the snow flakes…our military is in deep trouble

[@markroberts300]

Went through USAF bootcamp in 1981, much more intense then what I,m seeing here. The instructors were in much better shape, then the ones in this video.

[@bigkahuna3749]

Start as a rainbow, then a pickle, give your 341!

[@imlistening1137]

I was an Air Force Med Tech- enlisted in 1975. I loved basic training (I’m a woman, btw)! It was challenging and I knew I could live on my own and be ok forever, once I finished. The “new” military is, frankly, embarrassing.

[@mowtivatedmechanic1172]

All these years later… how was it living on your own? (Honest question)

[@raremage]

I chuckled at “i looked at my watch,” and all I could think was “they get to keep their wristwatch?”

[@vcam83]

I remember arriving at AF BMT in '02. This girl had no less than 9 hot pink suitcases of varying sizes. She got ripped apart by the MTIs. I medically retired in 2013, I might try and re-enlist and smoke these new trainees.

[@JamesonsTravels]

the suitcase should have to be picked up my the stupid recruiters who allowed that one

[@redjupiter2236]

You would probably be discharged in a heartbeat

[@jamesb2291]

@@JamesonsTravels I agree. Absolutely the recruiter's fault. I went to AF basic in 03 and was explicitly told to only bring like 2 plain tshirts and 2 pair of pants, some basic toiletries, and to have a short haircut and shaved face when I showed up. The idiots showing up with tie dyed shirts and flip flops got destroyed

[@strengthinunity4322]

General Henry "Hap" Arnold was the first General of the Air Force and first one to be both General of the Army and General of the Air Force. He was Army Air Corps and was personally taught how to fly by Oorville Wright. General Billy Mitchell, another father of the Air Force, sunk the captured German Flagship, the Ostfriesland, just to prove a point to Navy Admirals as to the power of airpower. These men are surely rolling in their graves at what the Air Force and the military has become. In the words of Oscar Brand, "The Force is shot to hell"

[@justinandchill3904]

I had went through Air Force BMT and it was the easiest time ever not only for me but my whole flight. We are told what to do everyday, every minute. We are told where to be and at what time. You do not have to think for yourself for those 7.5 weeks. It’s just do what you’re told and make sure your security drawer is locked and it is smoothing sailing.

[@TheStephenmonroe]

"Bring a suitcase to boot camp?" I brought my orders and the clothes on my back to Parris Island. I had everything that I needed.

[@SuperSparrow45]

I think "shock and awe" is merely a hook, because this is suppose to be a recruiting tool above all else. But the AF is pretty notorious for scaling things back when the cameras are on. When I went through, it was FAR tougher than what's depicted here. It's not Marine Boot Camp tough by any stretch, but it was far from a walk in the park. But I'm just now realizing that I've reached the point of being a crusty old NCO with a decade in, so things may have changed.

[@bobbys4327]

the awe part for me was how huge that one female instructor person was.....and the shock part was uhhh welll.....the same. I worked at an Air Base as a civilian in mid 80's. The AF guys there said for their PT test they had to do a mile........just do it, run, walk, what ever, just finish the mile. I thought he was $hitting me until I asked a couple more guys and they told me the same.

[@1notgilty]

At 4:56 those beds look like rumpled rag bags. In the USCG boot camp the Company Commander had to be able to bounce a quarter off your sheets or you'd be doing pushups till you puked. I'm shocked and in awe that the "Chair Force" basic training looks more like scout camp than boot camp.

[@AnthonyMaske]

The only take away from watching videos like this (particularly the one the Air Force did in the past about Air Force PT compared to Marine Corps PT) is that in 1980 I absolutely made the right decision to join the Marine Corps.

[@tylerellingson9134]

I was one of the last rotations in the older dorms, it was a breeze.. My father had prepared me mentally beforehand. I was very prepared and had a long line of family explaining to me their experience.. I hadn't been individually screamed at until the last day.. After graduation. It is definitely not what I would describe as "shock and awe"

[@martinbond46]

I was in the Marines and did a few football camps too. Definitely a football camp feel here.

[@thomasroth1090]

I would like to the airforce take on former military from the marines and the army through this exact training process and see how it turns out.

[@JamesonsTravels]

i agree. there should be a basic set of skills among all branches. at least m4 and basic tactics. heck 1 week min for af.

[@85November]

@@JamesonsTravels Sir, I graduated a few months after this af bmt series was filmed. From the same squadron, the 321st TRS. If we are going to deploy we get more in depth small arms training from Security Forces at our assigned base. Just recently they did this so we could integrate easier with Army units if necessary. Absolutely it is not enough, but it’s not like we are out there hopeless with no idea of how to defend ourselves. If you have any questions, please feel free to message me.

[@isaidso1373]

That’s like asking them to match AF asvab scores. Different target of recruitment.

[@isaidso1373]

@@JamesonsTravels 100% agree a basic combat course that’s the same in all branches. Marines, Army Infantry, Navy Sea bees, AF combat airmen all go onto a marine style MBT later on.

[@billholmgren551]

@@JamesonsTravels I agree... just one week of Marine Corp boot camp HELL! you will quickly find the leaks! lol 😆... never forget one poor kid, they knew his name on the 1st day. He made it one week 👎

[@halfbakednbearded4996]

All of my RDCs in Great lakes were in great shape. You definitely never saw a fat ass training class. But, that was literally 20 years ago.

[@JamesonsTravels]

check it out now - kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXqTeoige62lhJI. new navy boot camp

[@halfbakednbearded4996]

@@JamesonsTravels wow! What a bunch of disgusting fat bodies. How you gunna be a fat ass DI and tell a recruit not to take the fat pills in the galley?

[@baconknightt]

Female drill instructors...I'd 😂 laugh. My Marine Drill Instructors we're Vietnam vets with lots of chest candy.

[@JamesonsTravels]

mine were not Vietnam but 1st sgt etc were and as you know they were no bs, non pc and could drink anyone under the table.

[@sphinxrising1129]

While training with the USMC, we newbies quickly learned we could do nothing right, was never fast enough & not to try to think, because our DI said we might hurt ourselves, lol

[@Tommy1977777]

I'm dying with laughter at this! It's pretty much a non-stop comedy fest! 😂

[@groundpounder0541]

I went to middle school on Lackland AFB and our bus would drive by their basic trainees every day. We would laugh out of the window because our gym teacher was more hardcore than those instructors. Years later I joined the infantry and went Ranger and this is so cuddly and sweet. Total summer camp.

[@breveth]

I was in BMT right after 911. I spent most of my time on Fire watch because I was the only trainee who could easily pass PT. Missed most of the training.

[@batboy555]

That's crazy. Should shown up in shape.

[@mikegracie3212]

You've got to be kidding, the lack of enthusiasm is overwhelming.

[@aaronking8034]

Hard to be motivated without a major cause. Like a war

[@mikegracie3212]

@@aaronking8034 the motivation should be to be strong enough to avoid a war.

[@cosmeticscameo8277]

DS: why did you join the air force recruit: free college drill sergeant DS: anyone here for free college everyone else raises their hands. DS: pikachu face.

[@thomasreed8259]

I graduated AF BMTS in Oct 1980 my training for high school baseball was harder than basic! My dad was a WW2 pacific combat veteran was more scary than the TIs! I did two combat missions in the Air Force I realized I had no significant combat training except what I learned from my dad!

[@liteney]

Thank you for your service

[@justafriend5638]

I went through BMT during Covid basically had a gym bag with some clothes and my phone and charger. Never saw anyone with suit cases

[@wg5331]

Went through AF basic 14 years ago. Our TIs were more intense then what is shown in the video. I know each training squadron has a different culture and each MTI is different but the overall impression I’ve received over the last few years of Boot videos is that it’s not as intense with screaming and getting your bays and wall-lockers torn apart.

[@tl924]

Yeah I agree, I went through in 2009 and it was actually intense and difficult compared to this video.

[@jamesb2291]

2003, and it was extremely different for me as well. I remember being impressed by how hard they could knife hand you in the chest with only like an inch gap. It was like they'd know the exact spot to keep hitting also. Good times

[@thedoommarine9174]

“BCG’s” had me fucking crying! How the hell have I never heard that before?

[@JamesonsTravels]

not sure but they used to be way worse and fugly. on anyone.

[@BrownPP46]

They were so ugly> I think I still have mine in a box somewhere.

[@daBEAGLE1017]

my father in law served 3 years in Nam receiving a purple heart and metal of valor as a Marine in 67/69, he switched over to the AF until 91 to eat better food . He became fat and grew his hair after when he retired as a Sgt. He said as long as they serve their country well, he doesn't care about today's military. His opinion means something.

[@davefletch3063]

The point is, they won’t be able to serve the country well if they can’t hack even minor stress

[@memoriblewerd]

Cannon fodder can serve, doesn’t mean they’ll survive

[@cosmeticscameo8277]

@@memoriblewerd that's what people forget. with a all volunteer force you don't have unlimited cannon fodder you have with a conscripted force. hence you basically have to offer a ton of freebies to even get people to sign up . if zoomer can work a IT job and make 100,000 a year... who the hell would join the military. so competition for labor.

[@TisOnlyAScratch]

1:00 - WOW! That's some good looking new lockers!

[@thomaswood1158]

Well Jameson you touched on at the 3:15-3:55 ish mark, they’re not use to be told what to do. It’s bewildering to think that these young men and women have coasted through life so far without being told what to do or even being spoken to in a tone that is less favorable. Paraphrasing from one those goofy bastards in the vid “it’s different using my brain all the time”…way to go chair force

[@apallok54]

I wrestle on College and I have teammates who went through boot camp for the army and the Marines. They insist one season of college wrestling commitment is way harder than today's boot camp. Both mentally and physically.

[@JamesonsTravels]

i trained with the wrestling team for foot ball shape. that shit is no joke.

[@peterruiz6117]

THAT takes me back to my high school wrestling ...I have never been out of shape since, over fourty years now.

[@nordan00]

Wrestling is an animal sport requiring a great deal of physical output and mental toughness. It’s hard as hell! You can’t possibly compare it to any regular US military boot camp physical fitness training, or even any non special forces military training! Two entirely different animals. Which isn’t to say that boot camp should be a walk in the park. Far from it. But it doesn’t need to be anywhere near as tough as training for wrestling! A lot of recruits wouldn’t make it through.

[@jtr2087]

@@nordan00 nonsense. I wrestled in jr high and high school and joined the Marine Corps in 00. Boot Camp was more physically and mentally demanding. Then I spent 4 years in the Infantry and found out that Boot Camp was the easiest time I’d ever have in the Corps.

[@shermhart7617]

I was woman's mud champ rasslin champ against woman for two straight weeks. It was tough esp for the third leg.

[@paulpaik4467]

Oh darn, when I reported to bootcamp in the Korean Army, what I carried with me were just what I wore that day and my cellphone. Within a couple of hours the army admins just took away everything and started giving us the GI gear. The moment the farewell and good-byes were done we started getting yelled at and getting punished for any f-ups. Maybe I'm comparing apples to oranges but this looks way chill for a guy from a foreign military branch. But either way, I respect everyone for signing below the dotted line for service in any form.

[@richardmeyer418]

Not my place to dump on the USAF, but it's very different from 1979 Infantry training in the old South African Army.

[@batboy555]

@@richardmeyer418 I bet you have some stories.

[@Atlas2040]

This is how the USMC was for me when I joined. I only had my clothes, driver license, and I can't remember if I brought my phone (I wouldn't have been able to keep it anyways). All of them were taken away and put into storage quickly.

[@DemonBrandon]

As a Marine in Pohang Korea in the 80's, we witnessed corporal punishment in the ROC Marines. It was said the senior leaders and NCO's where all nth degree black belts.

[@brendachilders4879]

Cell phone???? Korea?

[@kullanma]

When I was in bootcamp for the AF it was definitely a lot different. There was a lot more screaming and physical demands and consequences seemed a little more extreme then also haha. Everyone getting smoked and people being singled out and embarrassed lol. That all took place then. I'm not sure what this is, but it doesn't seem like it is going to make anyone tougher mentally or physically. Honestly, I didn't expect anything less then. In fact I may even have thought it was going to be a bit tougher than it was then even. I went through 26 years ago though so, what do I know.

[@v01d_r34l1ty]

Went through this year, and from what I've seen versus what I've heard, it entirely depends on your MTIs and your squadron. Most of the training videos I've seen of BMT weren't exactly close to what the actual experience was for me at least. However, it was closer to the experience I've heard from airmen coming from Disney Land 😅. Edit: We had a Special Warfare guy instruct one of our classes in BMT, and he told us BMT was a lot easier at least physically because we were no longer on fret of war. He also made the argument that even though a lot more went into instructing in the old BMT, it changed for the better, especially because of mental health in the military. My MTI remarked later that BMT was not only easier on new trainees, but on the instructors as well.

[@patrickgriffitt6551]

50yrs ago. E6 retired in 91.

[@paulstevenson789]

I am also led to believe that 26 years ago the AF's soft serve was Straight Dairy Queen Vanilla without the Boysenberry Twirl? Certainly grounds for a discrimination class action!!!?

[@user-cc5od3zk4p]

It’s the military. This is how it works.

[@gumby3057]

Milley's Woke Marines: "This is my tampon, there are many like it but this one is mine..."

[@threegreencharms]

As a ward of the state I went to a military style bootcamp for juvenile delinquents in southern Alabama when I was 14...20 years ago. It was hell. This? This is candyland.

[@andrewtrujillo8261]

When i went to basic my mti’s were way more intense then this. Honestly i think that’s what will make or break your basic experience if you join the AF. If you get a set of good MTI’s that actually care about the future of the AF then you’ll be put through the ringer and it will prepare you for your military career. If you dont though the standards are so low that you can pretty much get away with calling it a vacation. But obviously the army and marines corpse basic training is alot more intense for obvious reasons. The mission of the AF is different though, but thats not to say the we should be held to at least some sort of standard

[@JamesonsTravels]

and the af title that vid shock and awe with the included clips. there is a disconnected somewhere.

[@andrewtrujillo8261]

@@JamesonsTravels yea i agree definitely an over exaggeration. Kind of surprised they choose these clips. This is nothing compared to what I experienced

[@peterruiz6117]

Yep. A base can get hit in as many ways as a fire base....Just harder to do...? Recruits should at least be tuff enough to defend them selves, or deal with alot of monotany.

[@huwhitecavebeast1972]

Corps*

[@davefletch3063]

The folks that pass without earning have ruined the Air Force and the other branches as well

[@geordiewishart1683]

As already voiced, these recruits probably did find this experience to be shock and awe as its all relative. As society advances, day-to-day life gets easier. Certainly physically less demanding and where rights are emphasised over obligations. So this probably is as much of a dislocation of expectation to these recruits as past book camp experiences were to veterans of yesteryear. I was infantry in the British army in my time and the thought of having someone yell at me in such a fashion is very foreign to me. I found it much more menacing to have a diminutive corporal whisper commands as you knew they would most likely be followed up with a fist or a boot.

[@JamesonsTravels]

true. it may have been a real shocker but with all of the videos they can watch one would think they would kinda know the deal

[@karlschulte9231]

Whence "boot camp"

[@jameson2916]

Shock and Awe is not relative.. Its supposed to get you used to chaos. Not used to getting fussed at for not cleaning your room properly or feeding the dog. If it was actually shock and awe to these kidsthats even WORSE. It would be relative if they could choose a war that fit thier own stress level, but they cant.

[@Atlas2040]

@@JamesonsTravels exactly. After watching movies and hearing about how hard USMC bootcamp was, I went in assuming it was going to be Hell. Going in with that mindset and exercising to a very high degree, I found USMC bootcamp fun and not too hard till towards the end when I wasn't getting enough protein.

[@ReaperCrew1989]

Depends on the MTI and their style. We had 2 intense guys and 1 not so intense guy. They had their strengths when it came to teaching certain things. I was older so it wasn't difficult for me, a lot of the younger guys struggled and they were given more special attention. The MTI's were smart with what they spent their time and energy on. When they went off, they went off huge. Just wasn't necessary all the time

[@ramoncontigo65]

It's the recruiter's responsibility to let them know what their first week at BC will be but it's also the recruit that needs to research online and get ideas as to what the first week of BC will be and get ready otherwise the transition can be challenging.

[@is5393]

I went through Navy boot camp in 2021 at an age over 30. Being mentally older was definitely helpful. Physically the Navy boot camp at base isn’t too difficult, beatings vary based on the instructor (my brother division had an RDC that would blue card them every day at the drop of a hat). Air Force boot camp doesn’t seem much different. I feel like the Marines are the only branch that is still demanding physically and mentally at this point. A tip for anyone going in; get a watch (or bring one) and wake up 30 minutes before rev. They tell you when they’re going to wake you (at least on the Navy side), so get up and shave/wake up and change before your RDC walks in, that way you’re way ahead on the curve

[@icedriver2207]

Its amazing how many people can't seem to operate a watch anymore.

[@lawrencequave7361]

In Marine boot camp in 1967, you were allowed to keep your watch and your wedding ring (EVERYTHING else was sent back home in a wrapped package) but the jewelry HAD to be kept in your foot locker until graduation day, when you would be allowed to wear it. As for shaving before reveille, that was impossible. You ONLY did things according to the DI's schedule; NEVER your own. Don't even try.

[@josphellihsilak4588]

I'm seeing two things here: 1.) The AF is showing us why they are the laughing stock of the military in regards to the intensity of training. 2.) They ARENT showing us the "we're the smart ones" excuse for their lazy bullshit. And to think we've spent all these years making fun of the Coast Guard, this is particularly embarrassing.

[@jimreilly917]

Former USAF. Hate to say it but I agree COMPLETELY.

[@gregwilkinson5185]

The bootcamp CG goes through isn't a joke!

[@Monnoponno34627]

The CG seems pretty good. ESPECIALLY compared to these airforce bafoons.

[@Hooligoon-Hāfu]

Shock and Awe... Air Force... 2022... LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1:40 isn't that Private Cowboy!!!!!!!! He is in the wrong service!!!!

[@JamesonsTravels]

they call it that. classic.

[@pabloastacio7952]

When I went thru Air Force Boot Camp it was much tougher than this it was shorter too but definitely more intense. I believe they could have been coached for this video

[@recon1986]

I'm in shock and awe at how nice their barracks are and that they are allowed to wear a watch and actually know what time it is haha for 13 weeks in the marines I had no idea what time was. We never knew the time

[@Atlas2040]

Exactly. The time of day wasn't really known and the drill instructors had their own idea of how long a second really was.

[@bobbys4327]

Give em all an analogue watch and that will really puck up their little minds. For sure they will not know what time it is.

[@calix477]

I had a friend who joined the Air Force and the way she described everything was like being in a ROTC dorm and they are so relaxed.

[@djseeho]

I was Air Force, in the 90s. I watched this whole serious and couldn’t figure it out. Definitely how the instructors talked to us, meaning slower then I seen in other branch videos. I was bothered though because they seemed softer. I know we was never as tough as others, especially Marine training, but it was harder then this series showed. I really hope it was toned down for the camera. I wanted to scream so bad when they all kept moving without a purpose. I also couldn’t understand why no one got attacked by 3 or 4 instructors. No one got singled out for being special. The series gets worse, if you watch the whole thing. One guy just quits. Decided he didn’t want to be in anymore, because it wasn’t for him. Tells his instructor about a medical issue he apparently lied at MEPS about. They all throw each other under the bus, like they toddlers telling their mommy their brother is picking on them. Things blanket parties use to handle. Again I know we was softer then other branches, but we still had military bearing and discipline. This series made me embarrassed to say I am Air Force. I hope to God this is a camera situation, and not the real Air Force today.

[@michaelp4418]

I went through Af basic 3 years ago and I will say this. For me it was a cake walk and I never once felt any “fear” or anything of that nature. That said, I feel like people joining the military are getting softer and softer by the day and because of the fact that they have grown up in a society where everything is given to them and everything has been politically correct this is to a certain degree their genuine reaction. Lots of these kids have never really been yelled or voice raised at by anyone but parents and some of them haven’t even had that, and now they are for the first time alone, away from home, and not used to military life or the real world, even this light BMT is a shock to them

[@marvincorbin5322]

I think you said it best, the kids going in now, with the life they came from, I am sure it is quite a shock. The American people in general are softer and don't have to deal with stress like the older generation.

[@dappwp4387]

I got out of AF BMT a few weeks ago. There was not any "Shock and Awe." It was pretty damn easy. The Sergeants really want to get onto the trainees more than they are legally allowed to. There are a lot of rules and stuff that prevent sergeants from doing much

[@bechtelaudio112]

The most concerning part about BMT in the Air Force is that the Training Instructor no doubt is required to drag the entire flight to a debriefing room daily to lecture for an hour or more that the pronouns from the English language that pair with the gender they were F**king BORN WITH are erroneous and that they/them need to strongly consider changing their gender identity now if they have any aspiration of evading Government-Sponsored workplace discrimination, harassment, being denied choice assignments, and/or the ability to promote for the rest of their career, however long or short that ends up being.

[@Outdoormax13]

When I first got to my training company in Army basic, every single drill sergeant was running around screaming in our faces at the top of their lungs. Also we had just ran two miles all uphill carrying 60 pound water jugs, 45 pound plates, MRE boxes etc. So we were all tired and confused af, but never scared. It makes sense Airforce isn't as physically challenging I also know Marine boot camp was harder than mine. Each different branch has different entry training bc they have different missions.

[@maxfalconi6995]

I would have laughed to their faces 🤣

[@worlore1651]

The military needs to not let them check the past 7 years of pharmacy records, the amount of people being disqualified or just simply not signing up because of it is without a doubt causing our insanely low amount of new recruits. I personally would have liked to join either 10th mountaineer division or 82nd airborn but there is a very small chance I can get in now.

[@paleamigo8575]

"The ultra light version of football camp..." - JT The first recruit in the video mentioned checking his watch for the time of day. Since when does a E-0 need to know what time it is? You'll be "told" what you "need" to know.🤣 I'm starting to think the U.S. Air Force may need a pre-boot camp just to get recruits mentally fit for what's ahead.

[@kevinmach730]

I'm actually surprised they don't do something of an orientation (like a weekend introduction while they are in highschool) so as not to waste time and money on people are more in love with the idea than what they'll actually end up having to put into it. But maybe they're afraid no one would join 🤣🤣

[@davidwadsworth8982]

I missed that,I had no watch during basic at Fort Jackson in 1970. We were told not to bring them, we would be told what time it was.

[@RindBaloch96]

AF boot camp is literally a vacation 🤣

[@YourMomSaysHi_Jinx]

Everyone should know the Air Force is more mental than physical. The best and brightest of society join the Air Force. With that said all boot camps are soft today than they used to be.

[@jamesyoung4545]

They are soft, due to bad parenting skills not preparing them for life, I am thankful for my parents as as a child we didn't get the luxury of sleeping late, we had daily chores to do, and had to be up and ready during the week to attend school, my mother was a nurse and we had to make our beds (with hospital corners), as we got older we did our own laundry and the family laundry, we didn't have game-boys, Nintendo, or other games except the outdoors, sticks, trees, baseballs, bats, footballs, basketballs, ropes, and TV was an earned privilege. I went to USAF basic training in 76, it was no "Shock and Awe", it was just a mental game to see if an individual could work as a team and manage their time, and be able to asset others and not be selfish. If you had any physical conditioning and self control you could make it, but if you had issues it was because you lied to yourself by pretending to be something you were not, you know the fake stellar high school jock, but really road the pine, and couldn't do 10 pushups.

[@SoyJaySmith]

I went to BMT with the guy wearing the “BCGs.” The guy is a Combat Controller now - one of the most respected career fields in the special operations community. None of this scripted.

[@masterslayr641]

The dude in this with the BCGs is a CCT now!?!

[@juliemunoz2762]

Combat controllers are an anomaly in the Air Force. It’s a little surprising that such hard-core individuals can be found in the Air Force. I’ll give the Air Force one big thumbs up though, your chow halls are great., like eating in a restaurant there’re a far cry from what Constitutes a chow hall in Marine Corps!

[@arturowuest4223]

How? He clearly wasn’t in the physical condition for special warfare when this video was made. Did he cross train?

[@JKHGAMING]

One time at bandcamp...

[@JamesonsTravels]

kinda band campish but more time to sleep and less pt

[@JKHGAMING]

@@JamesonsTravels True! Hahaha

[@congoparrot]

jesus christ. Air Force 1987-1997 3708 BMTS. im pretty sure my tinnitus started when the TI was screaming in my ear. this is total laughable.

[@darylhopkins9796]

Wake up recruit airman. It’s 0900 hours already.

[@ishitrealbad3039]

instead of softening things up to try and fill in the recruits, they should keep it more difficult and "hardcore". If you can't get the amount of recruits you want, atleast make the recruits you can get the best of the people who sign up and than train them to be the best and equip the with the best gear. these recruits are just wasted time, money and gear. Also all this softening up marketing BS is causing the strong good guys to not sign up. This is what you get when you mix politics with the army. And rule #1 of Sun Tzu was to not mix them together and treat them seperately. Doomed to fail.

[@JamesonsTravels]

recruits want it harder. not softer and nerfed. leadership is missing the boat.

[@ishitrealbad3039]

@@JamesonsTravels It's so blatantly obvious that i wonder what happened that made it all like this. I'm not even american(thus not a patriot) and i can see how bad this is.

[@cosmeticscameo8277]

you miss the memo in which the DOD top brass want bodies. if you can't conscript you gotta get whatever you can gt your hands on. that is until they can replace human troops with robots.

[@ishitrealbad3039]

@@cosmeticscameo8277 didn't you get the memo of what i just said? How are your recruit numbers increasing if you scare away the people who want to join up? There's a reason why waht they're doing here isn't working.

[@cosmeticscameo8277]

@@ishitrealbad3039 apparently they don't want those folks. they want the other type of folks. i don't know what the hell is going on these days. you 'd think they want spartacus types not the weinie types.

[@loganknight12]

In the navy the shock and awe was more just being tired af. By the time I reached bootcamp i was awake for 23 hours and had to stay up till the next night. That along with being yelled at and having to pay attention to every word the RDC said was rough cause you’re mentally and physically exhausted. Rather then that with the navy the hardest parts are the small details things like uniform inspections and worse is things like marlins spike (line handling), firefighting and most of all battle stations. None are really difficult 99% of people pass but it’s so talked/hyped up it’s mostly just your nerves that makes it hard. Nobody wants to be ASMO’d (sent back a division or even training group) realistically it’s a cake walk but when you’re in it, it seems more difficult then it really is

[@weedgrass2338]

Hooyah. I am currently serving in the Navy and boot camp sucked. Especially Battlestations, doing it late at night only to have watch right after. I swear trying to stay at attention without falling asleep blew harder than a vacuum. But I am thankful for the experience. I went in as a boy and came out a man.

[@tylerstewart3181]

I remember that. Was up for 60 hours because we arrived ahead of the rest of the division. People were literally falling asleep standing up.

[@kathyyore309]

I was raised by a Marine,this seems normal 😂

[@Undercoverbrotherfromanother]

CHAIR FORCE CHAIR FARCE 😂😂😂😂 NERD FORCE INSTILLING SMILES 4 MILES

[@jameshatton781]

Retired 11B here.... good greif , looks wonderful like summer camp.

[@polarisstar3536]

Just went through air force BMT a few months ago. It wasn't hard, but it really isn't supposed to be. While other branches mentally prepare you for actual combat readiness, Air Force bmt really just teaches you to be at the right place at the right time when you need to be because, as Airmen, you really aren't going to find yourself in combat unless you're special operations. The only "shock and awe" is really the being away from home part, which usually dies off after the first three days.

[@dicktaug4773]

Tell that to all the REMFs in Vietnam who were blown up, mortared, or shot at by VCs attacking their bases.

[@danaclark2128]

That’s exactly what I was thinking. I did six years in the Marine Corps I was in the infantry. I was thinking what you just wrote the whole time watching this video the Air Force Boot Camp has never been tough was never supposed to be. Now those combat controllers and PJs, Well that’s a whole different world. Do you want people to man computers and turn wrenches to fix aircraft etc. etc. do you want them to finish so they can go to those schools not send them home. Whatever it’s just a totally different world.

[@KW-zw8zq]

Air Force vet here. I watched these recruiting episodes and it seems wayyy less intense when I went to basic. Things have definitely changed in the last 12 years. Regarding makeup, I didn't bring any, however they do allow you to put on very light makeup for your photos in your dress uniform which I think is around the 5th week of training. Totally up to you! Other than that you don't need it. I was advised by my recruiter to pack very minimally. Many essentials you can get at the shoppette when you get there.

[@bobbys4327]

what do they let the women do ?

[@SkippyJmc]

Still laughing. I went to boot camp in mid 80’s Army, my Dad was Viet Nam veteran postal worker..I went with a pair of tennis shoes, personal grooming products, etc in a hefty bag. My Father said “they will give you everything else you need!” This is the “pussification” of youth nowadays. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@evan6901]

This reminded me of football practise back in the day lol

[@richjohnson3948]

When I went to boot camp, 40 years ago, it was an eye opener for me. They took my clothes, cut off my hair, made me do push ups and run for miles. They pushed me and made me scared. After I got into the regular service, I realized that these tactics helped me cope with the real life senario's of being in the military, how the attention to detail mattered. I thank them for helping an immature young man find himself and make himself into a disciplined, hard working individual. Best thing I ever done. NO PAIN NO GAIN

[@bobinmo251]

Such a huge difference between now and 40 years ago when I went through army basic training. All these videos show just how incredibly weak mentally and physically these young kids are nowadays. Wasn't like that back when I went.

[@paleamigo8575]

People are generally different now across the board. Every generation is typically a little softer than the previous one.

[@alos09]

SHOCK AND AWE LMAO

[@JamesonsTravels]

i saw the title and immediate click. i had to see that and af.

[@thoff7954]

USAF retired ("88-'10). I served as a TI at Lackland ('93-'97). No, AF basic isn't as tough as MC boot camp, no branch is. However, the level of training at basic or boot camp, regardless of branch depends entirely on the instructor. If you have a soft instructor, you'll have soft recruits. I pushed two female flights during my time at Lackland, I'd stack them up against anyone, but I also demanded they be disciplined. I worked around TIs who were the milk/cookie type, pillow soft. The AF has changed, but so has every branch, and the training in all branches is only going to get softer with each generation. To this generation ANY raised voice would be considered "shock/awe." Btw, my daughter is currently at Parris Island in boot camp; it's the ONLY branch we'd allow her to join.

[@samuelschick8813]

I would almost agree. Reason almost is because PC and woke culture have turned the branches into a joke.

[@patrickfullan9509]

To your daughter I say................................................."Semper Fi" USMC 84-88

[@jamesb2291]

2003 BMT, 322nd TRS, SSgt Britt-Etiene was my flight's MTI. Honestly, one of the few people in the Air Force that I still have respect for, to this very day. My time in active duty units was a much different story. By 2007 when I got out, the Air Force had become a bloated woke mess, and I can only imagine it's far worse now. Stay away kids. You'll regret it.

[@BenthewildchildE750]

7:45 this next section, people are not used to this? Surprising.