Airgun Extra | How to make airguns shot slugs with accuracy

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In this Airgun Extra special, Rich Saunders chats with Tony Belas from Daystate and BRK Brocock to find out the best way to build and tune airguns for accurate shooting with slugs.
Slug ammunition has the potential to outperform airgun pellets when it comes to shooting at very long range and also for delivering massive shock energy at high power levels, but there is more to it than meets the eye. In this interview, Tony Belas describes the special requirements in aspects including barrel design and power delivery to enable air rifles to achieve the very best performance when shooting slugs. Rich and Tony even do some accuracy testing.
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@Buddy-xb5ce Ай бұрын

This man knows more about air guns than I will ever know.

@williamwilson2624 Ай бұрын

It's always great to hear from Tony. He seems to be a very nice, interesting man. Excellent video!

@scrimdog3328 Ай бұрын

Awesome 👍 great information. Always fun to listen and learn.

@nickwebb9290 Ай бұрын

A very interesting video, thanks you Richard and Tony. As tempted as I am to try some slugs and have a bit of experimental fun I think I’ll spend my money on pellets that I know suit my sub 12’s 😁

@riderone8593 Ай бұрын

I had a redwolf heritage in FAC 22 HP and it didn't really like slugs, but my FX FAC air rifles with slug liners love them - good video.

@RichardSaunders-w9b Ай бұрын

Thanks very much for watching.

@jonmiller4739 Ай бұрын

Once I started shooting slugs for hunting, there was no going back to pellets. Sure indoors I might be able to get pellets to shoot ever so slightly better, but as soon as ANY breeze is involved, there’s so competition. As far as speed goes, I’ve found accuracy at anything from 890 to 980. Seems like the harder you push the gun, the less it wants to shoot accurately. My best tunes have been when I’m not working the gun really hard. Interesting video for sure. Always looking for manufacturers outside FX that can make slugs work.

@starlightHT Ай бұрын

It's always a pleasure to hear Tony.

@Buddy-xb5ce Ай бұрын

Outstanding shipmates. Press on. USS Kitty Hawk CV-63 Jan 1980 to July 1983. Air gunner for life.

@RichardSaunders-w9b Ай бұрын

Thanks Buddy. Have a great Christmas...

@Buddy-xb5ce Ай бұрын

@@RichardSaunders-w9b U2

@sunlessirondude Ай бұрын

Really enjoyed this video, excellent explanation as always, thanks & have a great Christmas

@RichardSaunders-w9b Ай бұрын

Thanks for watching.

@winstonchurchill6506 Ай бұрын

Have a good Xmas to you all cheers for the videos

@RichardSaunders-w9b Ай бұрын

You too Winston. Thanks for watching. Have a great Christmas.

@user-vt5hx1kz7l Ай бұрын

What a great video.

@rigbymauser Ай бұрын

Hi Richard. Thanks for sharing. To inform the Revere I have in .177cal loves slugs from 13-22grain. This is from a standard LW match grade barrel from Daystate factory. The 20grain ZANs shoots accurately from 14-23 ft/ibs and the 22grain solids too. With the ZANs I don`t really have to play-a-lot they just work within all velocity ranges. However the H&Ns takes more finetuning. Nope...I am not a salesman from ZAN. Merry Christmas & Happy Newyear.

@Premierslugs Ай бұрын

Slugs are the only real option when shooting high power at extended distances, and as said barrel choice is critical, Being a slug manufacturer I can tune the slug to the gun rather than only being able to tune the gun to the slug , very subtle changes in cog also make a huge difference, if the gun has the power and twist rate a boat tail slug takes some beating

@George.___ Ай бұрын

Is there a particular slug you would recommend for the .22 Gamo Swarm Magnum Gen3i?

@Premierslugs Ай бұрын

@George.___ with any gun it depends on several factors as Tony said, twist rate power ect , when testing i generally ask the owner what they are currently shooting and start slightly lighter the go up in one grain steps to try and find the harmonic node then fine tune from there

@George.___ Ай бұрын

@ I heard the barrel twist rate is 1 in 15.75”. According to a pellet wt. vs twist rate chart made by another air gunner the pellet weight for .22 should be 18.2gr. Indeed the weight seems to work pretty well. I use JTS Dead Center pellets 18.21gr. The power is ~ 30 ft-lbs give or take. I thought about measuring barrel harmonics with a piezoelectric pickup in a dozen or so different spots and recording the sound and spectra it makes it each shot. Observing the main spikes of frequency & amplitude and calculating wavelengths at each spot, perhaps some useful pattern will emerge? I also suspect the molded factory moderator core might be a main source of inconsistency. It’s not bad but I’m trying to push its capabilities of precision to the limits of all the interacting contributing factors. How do you go about finding barrel harmonics?

@Premierslugs Ай бұрын

@ nothing quite so hi tech , start with a slug that is lighter than you are really looking for , shoot it go up one grain shoot that keep going up and you will see the poi change , there will be several points when the slug weight , speed will match the barrel . Obviously change the speed up or down and you change to node and the poi

@MRD765 Ай бұрын

Hi, I've been running Zan 10gn slugs in my hw100 and rapid for almost a year. Power with a pellet on both guns is about 11.6 with slugs I get 10.6 ftlb My aim points are the same as an 8.4 pellet due to the better BC. I'm also dialing the scope as well. Superb accuracy further out, 55 yards is two mildots on ttwelve mag. Using for hunting and target work. Have tried in several friends rifles including hw80, aa510,hw100k Give them a try.

@jayquinn3701 Ай бұрын

Great show and very interesting. I have tried slugs and I was not overly impressed. My Vixen fires 10g Zans quite well at 30m but not as consistent or accurate as 10.34 grain JSB domed pellets. In .22 calibre, very poor. Tony is right, you need a fair amount of power to get good results. Have a great Christmas lads and all the best for the New Year. 👍

@crazycressy7986 Ай бұрын

Can we get some expansion tests in clay to see if the mushroom?

@andydowden8117 28 күн бұрын

I have to say my sub 12 ghost .177 would shot 1 inch groups all day long using Zan 13g also if using a good quality target card the hole the slugs would make were clean no ragged tears

@freetommyrobinson Ай бұрын

Yeah really interesting Guys. So what slug barrel would you recommend Tony for a sub 12 ghost and what calibre. Appreciated. Have a great Christmas and new year. P.s guys ill see you at the shooting show in February.

@RichardSaunders-w9b Ай бұрын

Hi Sean. I can't speak for Tony, but for what it's worth, I wouldn't recommend slugs for a 12 ft/lbs rifle. As Tony said, they can be accurate, but no more accurate than pellets, and they will be a lot less powerful. I can't see any advantage. Better off with decent pellets. My sub 12 is like a laser with JSB Hades (.22).

@andrewharris4940 Ай бұрын

Mint 👍

@jshkskansas897 Ай бұрын

And WHERE is the how too at???

@gannetpontjowinoto6733 Ай бұрын

may be there will be part 2 of the same title 😊

@airwolf8915 Ай бұрын

Click bait, a lot of waffle.

@flashgordon99999 Ай бұрын

FX slug barrels are 1:16 the same as .22LR

@elite1299 Ай бұрын

Perfect barrel for slugs 30 grain and higher

@flashgordon99999 Ай бұрын

@elite1299 yes, seems to work well.

@garethjones3412 Ай бұрын

What about micro grove barrel less friction

@RichardSaunders-w9b Ай бұрын

Hi Gareth. I'm no expert but I don't think that would help. The fundamental issue is that due to their shape, slugs have more contact with the barrel than pellets and that results in more friction. Thanks for watching and have a great Christmas.

@heathhalfhill6867 Ай бұрын

Even with pure soft lead a sub 12 airgun IMO is so slow that a hollow point slug won’t expand and “IF” one may expand you most likely need a micrometer to detect it. I see no advantage to a slug in a sub 12 FPE airgun at average hunting distances say 40 yards or less. High powered airguns on the other hand is quite a different result on flesh and bone. Again IMO 900+ FPS and soft lead with a large opening is more on par for proper slug performance.

@crazycressy7986 Ай бұрын

It's the same with .22lr hollow points ,I've never found one that has expanded, and my other hobby is metal detecting, and I've found hundreds of .22lr hollow point heads and non have expanded. ok, some would be misses, but not one ,they need to open the cavity more for them to work ,i had the same with .223 Barns grenades, they would act as a FMJ unless I did hot loads almost to the point as getting flatted primers so had to back off the charge a bit

@ScratchyBaws Ай бұрын

It's nice to know we've been shooting GIRLIE pellets all these years......What a 100% T!T.

@BusterSeal Ай бұрын

What FX do you shoot?

@RichardSaunders-w9b Ай бұрын

I think the comment was made tongue in cheek. Sorry you missed that. Thanks for watching and have a great Christmas.

@jacquesdutoit7373 Ай бұрын

Fx dynamic 30 cal does 150lbs

@DanielGarcia-zw8nx Ай бұрын

5.56 1in 8 military

@flashgordon99999 Ай бұрын

@DanielGarcia-zw8nx some are now 1:7 for the heavier pills.

@JohnVentarino-ey5ln Ай бұрын

Dam dude give that coffee cup a break your drinking it like you never had a cup of coffee before.

@BusterSeal Ай бұрын

How do you drink your coffee?

@RichardSaunders-w9b Ай бұрын

I'm really not sure I know how else to drink a mug of tea (not coffee btw). Thanks for watching and have a great Christmas.

@bobbythompson3544 Ай бұрын

They didn’t get Matt Dubbers number!

@kevinparker461 Ай бұрын

Had a sheridan blue Streak 40 odd years back, on an FAC +18ft lb. Sheridan done their own slugs in a yellow plastic box like a big Tic Tac box .... total shite, & expensive total shite!!

@philmackenzie2072 Ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@RichardSaunders-w9b Ай бұрын

Great rifle though!

@flashgordon99999 Ай бұрын

@kevinparker461 We used to call those "trash cans".

@anthonypullen9384 Ай бұрын

In the title shouldn't it be shoot not shot?

@ProperRural Ай бұрын

Jsb slugs are rubbish

@RichardSaunders-w9b Ай бұрын

Based on my admittedly limited amount of slug shooting, I've found them to be ok - no better or worse than most other brands to be honest. I think it's fair to say that all slugs take an amount of time and effort to set up just right. As I think Tony said in the video, rifles that are very tunable - like the Alpha/Delta Wolf, and some FX rifles too - work well with slugs because they can be fine tuned. Thanks for watching and have a great Christmas.

@nigelbase1196 Ай бұрын

"Pellets are half the price of slugs"...where you buying your ammo from Tony belas?..😂

@hokz7283 Ай бұрын

I find the 10 gr knockouts good at around 860-900 fps, shooting out of a 480mm length barrel with a very light choke.

@spiderman0863 Ай бұрын

Rubbish you say? Rubbish?😊

@airgunner8371 27 күн бұрын

@@nigelbase1196😂😂😂

@paulbray9976 Ай бұрын

Is this guy a relative of harry enfield?

@RichardSaunders-w9b Ай бұрын

Afraid not. Have you tried a Google search?

@ErickvdK Ай бұрын

Tip: maybe fix the audio, the horrible compression feels like you guys are heavy breathing in my ear...😊

@RichardSaunders-w9b Ай бұрын

Sorry about that Eric. Truth is I know more about airguns than I do about video production. I do my best. Hope it didn't spoil the video for you. Thanks for watching anyway and have a great Christmas.