"New" Umarex Origin .22 Caliber PCP Rifle "Full Review" by Airgun Detectives

This is a full and complete review of the new Umarex Origin .22 caliber PCP rifle. This rifle features their "Ever Pressure Tank System" and comes with a 4500 PSI Hand Pump. We will provide you an unbiased detailed review and will show you the performance. #staytunedforairgundetectives
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[@keithandrews1307]

Just received mine. Performs as advertised. Might just be the greatest thing to ever happen in the PCP world. This gun will bring many, many people into the sport. Well done Umerex!

[@buckhunter6616]

🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿

[@UmarexAir]

Thank you kindly. And for your support of the Origin too.

[@EdwinHendraKusuma]

Actually, what I really want to see is the return of the old repeater, the Girandoni air rifle like the one used in Lewis & Clark Expedition, but with modern PCP technology, and in .25 or .35 caliber. That would really be something.

[@heithwatkins]

@@timmy4539 really?

[@jumpkickman1993]

It got me into PCPs after only using break barrels

[@Possum880]

The best airgun channel on KZbin, you offer the most comprehensive videos that offers all the info we could want as airgun enthusiasts. As someone who loves airguns but has only had Pumpers and Springers because the cost barrier to PCP’s is so high, this video totally sold me on this rifle! Also thanks for going over the construction and info about the hand pump. Extra information like that is so helpful especially for the uninitiated

[@cyclepath78]

I got mine for Christmas, it’s every bit as good as it’s reputation. I shoot mine between 3k-2k psi with the hammer spring turned down 720 degrees from max setting using a Crosman Premiers 14.3 HPs. It’s a 1 hole shooter with little effort. Great for bench shooting or small game.

[@gmanneod8085]

Forgot to mention, the addition of the decibel meter is another tribute to your excellence and professionalism! Keep it up and stay safe!

[@AirgunDetectives]

Thank you!!!!😉

[@roger71901]

Trust me no decibel meter is needed with this gun, damn it's a quiet gun.

[@mikepi660]

SUPER info on the sweet spot, I shall use that information,,, THANKS

[@tanner8100]

Great review really helped me make my choice!

[@mikepi660]

Thanks for your time and info,,, Excellent

[@DarcvexiS]

JC -- Thank you! This was the first review out of many airgun review channels I've seen of this gun that was very fair about expectation and what the true accuracy this rifle is capable of. Seriously other KZbinrs just went through the motions without as much care as you took while they focused on shipping it to the next airgun reviewer. I hope you do keep this gun in your arsenal for comparison videos in the future. I know that PCP pump gave you a work out from 0 to full and thank you for demonstrating assembly to maintenance on that as well.

[@AirgunDetectives]

Thank you for your support. I was glad to have a little work-out on film 😉👍 I try to provide as much info as I can so you can be informed on your potential purchases. So many to choose from out there. This is a great PCP if your primary air source is a hand pump. The "EPT" system works well. PCP's can become extremely costly in just providing an airsource.

[@tpctrash]

Wow. 5 stars I agree!! Thanks for a great video. The winner in the opening was great too. Lol

[@AirgunDetectives]

Thanks again for watching and appreciate your comments as always 👍😉

[@THerd-um5tl]

Thank you John for a consistently professional, informative and enjoyable series. And Justyna says hello to all!

[@AirgunDetectives]

Again, Thank you and Justyna for the 1st place intro!!!👍😉

[@donovanmurray7697]

I really feel good about this package now after your review! I have just ordered this rifle this morning and I am super excited to get started into the PCP spectrum. I think you are one of the best at what you are doing! Thank you for your work and research that goes into these videos. I do believe that I will go ahead and click the subscribe button while I am at it!!

[@AirgunDetectives]

Thank you...I appreciate you watching 👍😉

[@heithwatkins]

Did you get your rifle yet. I would like to hear about it.

[@Salty_AL]

Great review! Picked one up today and gonna try it out in the morning. My first PCP rifle. Now I dont have to go to the range to do a little plinking. 😁

[@chksix]

This was an outstanding review as always, you are among the best. Thank you so much for actually showing the use of a hand pump.

[@AirgunDetectives]

Thank you for watching and I really appreciate you taking the time to leave comments👍😉

[@KINGBREAKBARREL]

@@AirgunDetectives HOW YOU DOING AIRGUNNER AIRGUN DETECTIVE.. IT'S BRAKE BARREL HOW YOU DOING I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE'S ANY WAY YOU CAN TELL ME HOW MANY SCREWS IS THERE TO TAKE THE STOCK OFF THE UMAREX ORIGIN THANK YOU AND HAVE A GOOD ONE

[@therrienmichael08]

You know what you will get in every review. Covering all the bases.

[@MrRandyk2]

Great Review JC! I did notice the professionalism in the introduction and glad you explained the reason-very good! Also, I am thinking about the pcp, so your video really helps!! Great Review.

[@AirgunDetectives]

Justyna was a nice touch! That was actually filmed in an RCA studio in Nashville.👍😉

[@jimvincenti2324]

Thanks for the great in-depth video. I'm buying one!

[@AirgunDetectives]

You will like it!!👍👍

[@howardcarr9625]

Great review, TYVM.

[@Sixsix561]

Your videos are awesome. Nice work.

[@newfanerelichuntersgr4906]

Hi John, awesome review and when I decide to switch up to a PCP rifle - This is going to be the one. Thanks for sharing and God Bless, Greg

[@garywhelansr5602]

Awesome review you just answered all my questions on whether to buy it vs the Avenger its a no brainer your getting the pump. Itd be my 1st pcp have a Benjamin Prowler 22cal now.

[@coryjenkins4179]

Another great review Thanks for sharing.

[@AirgunDetectives]

Cory, I appreciate your continued support from the beginning👍😊

[@StrokerNormH1]

Your video was the last “checkbox“ that I needed before deciding to purchase the UMAREX Origin! I’ve now had it (&/or its replacement) for over three months & it’s lived up to everything you said about it. My 1st Origin had a slow leak, so I sent it back to UMAREX. UMAREX promptly sent a replacement & it’s doing great! UMAREX has awesome customer service . . . Very knowledgeable & easy to work with. Happy with my Origin! Thanks Brother!!👍👏

[@toasty4000000]

Appreciate all the detail, I'm a newbie looking into air rifles in general (break barrel, PCP, CO2, etc) and I think this might be the offering that clicks for me.

[@AirgunDetectives]

Sooooo many options out there!! Thank you for watching👍

[@donaldlundy345]

Great review I'll be ordering mine tomorrow

[@AirgunDetectives]

You'll Love it!!

[@user-nh8mq5in4s]

I own this rifle in .22 cal. & it is a beast. Ive taken cyotes with this rifle with 18 gr hollows , 1 headshot & its down , very acurate like john. said. Extremely acurate. Rifle. Very powerful peice to have in your arsenal. I would not want to get accidentaly shot with it. You would certainly be killed. Very powerful. deadly rifle & not a kids toy. Not a teens rifle either. This is a precision engineered, . high performance. .pellet rifle that packs a serious punch on any small to mid size game. , in my opinion. !... others may vary. But its a beast of. Power , precision & speed that is hands down my favorite rifle out of 11. I own & you can purchase a tactical body kit for it too.

[@jfpointblankct4086]

And thank you for the great videos I'm considering getting it thanks to your video

[@AirgunDetectives]

I appreciate you watching and thank you for the comments 👍😉

[@simonnoble7589]

Greetings from England, enjoyed this review. This is a fantastic package to get into pcps. Some nice features and shoots very accurately. Loved your review on this Umarex Rifle.... Take care n cheers Simon from York England 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟

[@AirgunDetectives]

Thank you for the feedback and I appreciate you watching 👍😉

[@romeoalphafoxtrot9517]

Great review! I think this will be my next PCP airgun. I have a Xisico 705 .22 on the way. Love your channel!

[@AirgunDetectives]

Oh...you'll love the 705!! Those are one of my favorites. Did you get it from Mike? Just curious because he does a few upgrades with the purchase.

[@romeoalphafoxtrot9517]

@@AirgunDetectives Yes I did. I also got the power up tune for an extra $50. It should be here Monday. Can't wait! I saw your review on the 705 and that did it.

[@chrisreilly4006]

Wow. Had this been out when I bought my Gamo Urban I think I would of went with this. It seems like a good buy for the money. Awesome. Thank you for the review.

[@heathhalfhill6867]

Newbies using a hand pump need to pump 30 or so strokes and let the pump cool a few minutes to keep it from damaging the internals of the pump. Pumping it fast and non stop will indeed damage it. It isn’t a race unless they want to buy a new pump sooner than later. Sorry for the second comment but felt it may help someone from damaging their pump like I did years ago.

[@shooter1721]

Nice video !! Good work

[@AK-ky3ou]

Just got this, it’s truly incredible for a first pcp, accurate and easy to pump.

[@AirgunDetectives]

Enjoy!! Happy Shooting 👍

[@truecanadianairguns6640]

That's awesome that was a great winner!!!

[@khmernattie]

I bought one couple weeks back it’s pretty solid. I was getting the same velocities as you with the 14.3 grs didn’t try the 18 grs yet. I used the pump once. But bought a compressor instead. You nailed everything in this video!

[@AirgunDetectives]

Fun rifle I predict a .25 caliber in the future👍

[@smackdn775]

Mister_Nattie what compressor did you buy? Thinking about this Rifle and would possibly get a compressor. I never owned a PCP.

[@khmernattie]

Scuba Steve well this was my first pcp too. I bought a GX Air compressor it was $379 on Amazon, $319 on eBay. It’s Chinese but it built pretty solid!

[@dark30welderwelding11]

Great job explaining! Really appreciate you taking the time all the while explaining the nuances of a pcp air gun. I’ve been using pcp for years and would have loved someone taking the time to explain the basics. Pcp’s in “general” are much more accurate than your cheaper break barrel’s. Just due to the general physics of the barrel being disconnected each time you cock the gun. This gun package is a great value for everything it gives you for the price. Thanks again!

[@AirgunDetectives]

Thank you for watching and appreciate your kind comments. 👍😉

[@EDCandLace]

Not really the barrels lock and unlock that causes accuracy for most to be sub par on springer. Its the lock time from piston release to hitting the compression wall and all that violence happening prior to the pellet ever moving.. If you can be extremely consistent with your hold most springers are fairly accurate. Not saying that the lock mechanism can't make or break a gun as it can but if the barrel bolt is tight and the lock is doing its job the barrel movement to cock and then lock won't have POI fluctuations.

[@heithwatkins]

For $350.00 this package over delivered. What a great time to be into air guns. Excellent review brother. 🎯🎯🎯

[@ryanj2071]

$299 on the shelf at Academy right now!

[@ryanj2071]

Just picked up mine today. Was gonna go with the gauntlet, but really like the idea of a smaller/lighter rifle for my daughter to shoot. I can't wait until you mod with a picatinny rail on the foregrip (and hopefully share the procedure with us)! I like to use a bipod or light from time to time

[@phillmiller1198]

Always enjoy your videos, I do feel a negative would be no regulator. Most all manufacturers are including them even in their budget guns, except Hatsan. It's a pain to have to find sweet spots on non-regulated guns. Thanks for your hard work.

[@AirgunDetectives]

I just gave you the sweet spot so you are good to go!😉 Not to mention the 44 shots are all usable👍 Some of the non-regulated PCP's are still good. The Xisico Deluxe 705's are amazing and very frugal on air. You just have to find the right one. This one is awesome! Thank you for watching and I appreciate your comments😊

[@waynet.7656]

Been pondering gettin' into PCP rifles..I couldn't get a ear on how loud she was, decibel levels always in my mind i don't want to attract the boyz in blue. Great review and this rifle is on my watch list.Thank you for the ever informative and pin point realness that is greatly appreciated.

[@AirgunDetectives]

He Buddy, go back and watch the chrono portion I list the dB along with the average FPS after each series of pellets. It is 99-100 dBs average, still backyard friendly. But at the higher end. Thanks for watching 👍

[@waynet.7656]

@@AirgunDetectives Thanks,,i see, it is on the high side, would bring John-Law down upon me, LOL . Anything over 80db is pushin' my luck. but a beauty of a package. Thank You Again.

[@FirstStateAirgun]

Great pcp Airgun package. Thumbs up for sure.

[@AirgunDetectives]

Thank you for watching and I value your comments as always. 👍😉

[@davea.9570]

Ive been waiting/hoping you would get your hands on this. Ive had my Maximus for maybe four years and have been debating upgrading. Pumping that gun isnt bad but have been reluctant to try a higher psi fill. Im 6 foot but only a little over 160lbs. So tall and skinny doesnt make for good pumping. Thanks so much for the review!

[@AirgunDetectives]

Glad you enjoyed it! This rifle is designed thinking the majority of the users will use a handpump. That why this model is designed with the the "Ever Pressure Tank System" Half the pumps compared to similar PCP rifles. Thank you for watching and I appreciate your comments. 👍

[@eduardoguillen6385]

awesome!, you get your workout plus the fun.

[@davelawton9520]

Sweet Baby Jeebus, I nearly had a stroke just watching you pump that rifle !!! Great review as always and nice to see a barrel band fitted. Cheers from the UK.

[@jjjjjjjjx8]

That was the best intro I've seen yet my friend

[@news2383]

after watching your review i ordered one

[@philiphodge4254]

Great video and what an amazing rifle.......... 👍🇬🇧

[@AirgunDetectives]

Thanks for watching Phillip!!👍

[@ZacharyJ6190]

SOLD!!! Buying mine today, thanks for this awesome review. SUBSCRIBED

[@AirgunDetectives]

Thanks for watching 👍😉

[@Freedom-lo7sn]

Ordered one yesterday after watching many many reviews. Your review sold me on it. I do have a couple of questions. I'm planning on attempting to find the furthest distance with the greatest accuracy that this rifle will achieve. 1) Can you recommend what I may have to do to the rifle to prepare for this. 2) Can you recommend which pellet would be best for this. NEW SUBSCRIBER

[@ZacharyJ6190]

Airgun Detectives-Airgun Reviews just set mine up today. Now my hand pump only wants to fill my rifle up to 2900 psi so looks like I’m stuck in the sweet spot until I buy Umarex’s new ReadyAir compressor 🤣 Seriously though my pump must be defective because after 2900 you have to do hand stands (not joking) on the handles to get them to come down! Other than that issue I’m loving the rifle, my JSB come in a couple days than it’s time to zero the scope.

[@ZacharyJ6190]

Freedom I recommend Diablo JSB same ones he mentioned in video. As for your first question don’t worry so much about that just set up your zero on your scope at the distance you think you’ll be hunting game.

[@AirgunDetectives]

@@ZacharyJ6190 Keep in mind the pump gets much harder to compress as the pressure goes up. The pump just might be fine. Try to give it another 30 fully compressed pumps and see if that will move the needle. If the pump is bad exchange it for a new one!!😉👍

[@eck2go]

Another great one John. Us Brits call it the law of sod (sods law) when you have everything in place and then lawnmowers, drills, shredders kick in to spoil your silence. Keep it up mate, really pleased I subscribed. Eric

[@AirgunDetectives]

Eric, Thank you for the kind words and I appreciate the "sods law"👍😉

[@heathhalfhill6867]

The Nova Vista co from Macau China makes this gun as well as the Freedom. Aspen, Liberty/Alpha, and the Avenger. Really awesome guns, very accurate, dependable, and above all a great value. All 4 NV guns I have have punched well above their weight and hold their own with my FX Crown and even my SK-19. This gun is ideal for the multi pump/break barrel owner that wants to step up their game. Personally I’m very much looking for NV to release a bull pup rifle that may compete with the Wildcat. Big shoes to fill but very possible. Great review, just found your channel and subscribed. God bless.

[@IndianArma]

Everyone says that their quality control is horrible, and that the Aspen has documented issues with its pump.

[@EDCandLace]

One more thing out of all we have tuned out the box they almost always shoot the Air arms (jsb made to AA specs) 18g the best. The AA 18s shoot tighter then the 18.13s by a noticeable amount in 95% of the guns we have tuned and shot stock.

[@gmanneod8085]

Wow! What an awesome air rifle, JC! Great job on the review. Was Umarex smart and sent this to you or is it yours? If it's yours I'll buy your 5 star rifle! LOL You did such a good job using the hand pump! With the lack of jobs because of lock downs hand pumps are important for new PCP buyers! Did you ever think about reviewing all the different Branded PCP hand pumps. Air Venturi, Beeman, Benjamin, Gamo, Hatsan, Hill, and Umarex as you just showed us. Maybe the best bang for the back hand pump or doing budget PCP and pump combo reviews. You the MAN!!! Can't wait for the next one.

[@AirgunDetectives]

Thank you, as always, for watching and I really appreciate you leaving comments 😉👍

[@AK-ky3ou]

What a game changing gun here

[@anthonym801]

I've been bouncing back and forth between this and air venturi avenger for my first pcp. Wish they made the origin in 25 cal. Any way i can get some insight on the Avenger .25?

[@onelastmarine]

Thanks for your review. I purchased mine last night after watching your review Thursday wont come quick enough.

[@AirgunDetectives]

Enjoy...I think you will love it!!

[@onelastmarine]

@@AirgunDetectives could you recommend a scope ? I usually run vortex on my rifles. I'm not picky but looking for something that will pair well with the pcp I ordered

[@AirgunDetectives]

@@onelastmarine Vortex is good but check out the Pinty. They have really improved their glass and you get a lot of scope for the money. You will be pleasantly surprised. Also use the discount code "airgun" and you'll get 15% off. www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=pl&ti=7017&pw=277969&mi=19085&pt=3&pri=92

[@smackdn7756]

Joshua did you receive your Origin yet and if so does your barrel have some slight movement even with the barrel band?

[@onelastmarine]

@@smackdn7756 yes I did receive mine and am loving it. The barrel does move a little but I'm thinking it's more of a shroud over the actual barrel since it is only .22 and does not require a hard steel barrel like a real rifle

[@michaelcooper10]

Yes 960 at the beginning of the shot count. The middle will be over 1000 fps. This rifle has a nice round shot count 38 to 40 shots per fill. This is my go too rifle now love this gun. Need a bullpup version please.

[@dunnoyolo2238]

You sold me on this one. Whats a good cleaner for the barrel that will not hurt O-Rings ?

[@Late2theShowagain]

Excellent review. I want to get an entry level PCP and I'm trying to decide which one. I have heard good things about the Air Venturi Avenger. I hope you'll do a review on it someday. It seems the Umarex and the Avenger look like the same company made them except the Avenger goes to 300 bar and can be fully regulated. At $299 it seems like a good deal--but you don't get a pump so the Umarex at $349 seems pretty good because you get a pump. I also heard the Avenger is harder to pump but you can tune the regulator pressure to make it easier. Please let us know when you get the new bipod kits because I'll be needing another. I was very impressed by the quality of them when I installed the first one. Thanks Again JC.

[@AirgunDetectives]

Hey Buddy thanks for watching. Cosmetically the two rifles looks similar but completely different internally. This one has the "Ever Pressure System" and is limited to 250 bar. The Avenger you have to fill it to 300 bar, 4300 psi, and it has an adjustable regulator. If your air source will be a hand pump then the Origin would be the only choice. Half the pumping with this model. I am working on a new and improved bipods, my manufacturer stopped production so I had to find someone new. The new models will even be better, several upgrades since I am starting over. I will let everyone know as soon as they are ready. 😉👍

[@danielmaezoalvarez5818]

Es increíble la gran precisión de ese rifle y también es muy potente. Un gran rifle. Saludos desde Sevilla, España

[@AirgunDetectives]

Este es el rifle perfecto si desea pasar de los cañones rotos y entrar en rifles PCP. Gracias por cuidar a mi amigo

[@richardscott8186]

Nice review. I have been thinking about getting into pcp but not going to spend FX money on one definitely not at first.Thanks

[@AirgunDetectives]

The perfect rifle if you want to enter the PCP world because it comes with an air source and I love the "Ever Pressure Tank System"

[@richardscott8186]

@@AirgunDetectives thank you for the reply very nice of you and greatly appreciated

[@wayneclodfelter681]

Your shot string chart and sweet spot fps, psi, fpe figures - what pellet was used? Compared to earlier chrony results with 14.3 and 18.13 pellet wts, it's somewhat confusing. Great review, though! Thanks. I bought one and then watched your review. Loving the Origin!

[@AirgunDetectives]

18.13 gr was used for the shot string. Noticed it started in the high 800's which is reflective of the initial chrono test. I appreciate you watch and I hope you enjoy your new rifle👍😉

[@gumbystown]

I love splatterburst targets

[@woogieman02]

How low can you get a tune down? Would like a shooter in the 12ftlb range for back yard pest shooting. With their air system...is tuning the same as others

[@loud-pedal-addict4503]

This versus the AT44S10 what would have your vote? I cant decide between the two. I want the 25 for fpe but the origin is 22 only correct?

[@brandonadams6743]

How did the mounting the bipod rails go, from what I understand the sides of the stock forend is thin

[@denniscampbell8240]

I have a avenger and i see this air rifle in reviews alot ,,,,,i just bought a benjamin akela bull pup ,,,,shit tunninv it ,,,but this gun is on my to buy list 😊

[@truecanadianairguns6640]

That is quite the rifle for the price awesome video I think price point is decent

[@fjqtaxch9]

Is a 1/2x20 adapter possible? Seems especially loud with the lighter pellets like the chps. Need to use heavier pellets, 18-25 grains, to lower the dbs to be more back yard friendly. A negative is that it's very dangerous to do any repair work on this yourself. You must send it in for repairs.

[@gumbystown]

You did a good job trying not to look out of breath pumping that up .

[@AirgunDetectives]

I definitely felt it after 120 pumps, but in a good way. Kinda like a brisk jog or rather s sprint.👍😉

[@Jay-dl4vk]

I'm having real problems with the origin mags sticking. Not indexing to the next pellet. Caresel not turning. Catching & not delivering. Just not working properly. Is their some different mags available for purchase that are usable in the origin that would or does work better. Properly in the .22 cal rifle ??

[@cristoferfabiangonzalezalv2254]

great video greetings

[@dougcain2720]

Thank you for a great review. Is this hold sensitive like a break barrel?

[@AirgunDetectives]

Not at all...there is no recoil. It will shoot more like a rim fire less the noise. That is why PCP rifles are becoming very popular. They are really easy to shoot.

[@dougcain2720]

@@AirgunDetectives Thank you.

[@glockdude54]

I just purchased this gun put a Nikon 3x9 air rifle scope running out of adjustment is this gun suffering barrel drop if so how to fix

[@fusionwhiskychang512]

Love your videos! can you please do a review on Walther LGV ! or even airsoft bb guns ? like gas blowback rifles and pistols?

[@estasfamily]

He does

[@joeg986]

I have heard some saying there is a loud twang when you shoot the Origin, have you noticed this?

[@specop-tl9jd]

Nice video! What kind of accuracy did you have from the 14.3 CPHP pellets? Just curious, as those are more readily available and very economical!!!

[@AirgunDetectives]

The Crosman PHP are just ok. They were under a 1" group @ 20 yds. The 18.13 JSB 's are lights out. The rifle just likes the heavier pellets. 👍

[@ryanpeterson2370]

Thanks for the review. Your link to H&N pellets is wrong. It goes to the Crosman pellets.

[@garywest3763]

Excellent Video of the Origin as always. This gun checks all the boxes for me, as i like a Light weight gun, as i shoot my light weight gun much more often than my heavier guns. One thing i am VERY Interested in, that you didnt mention was, When aired up to max and left for say two weeks aired up does it have any leak down at all, or How much PSI does it loose over a two week period. As i have a Gen.2 Fortitude that leaks 1000psi in a week and this is my second Fortitude after the replacement, the first gen.2 fortitude leaks 1000 psi in 2 days. So leak down over time is very important to me, and others i would think. Also was your review based on OUT OF THE BOX - or did you make some adjustments to it?

[@AirgunDetectives]

Your rifle should not leak. If it does it is defective and should be repaired. This was out of the box I actually mentioned that. What you see is what you get. This was 100% stock. I didn't even touch the trigger. 👍

[@garywest3763]

@@AirgunDetectives two defective Fortitudes, with Pyramyid air hand picking me a Good gun both times, i asked them to do a week Leak down test on the second one, it leaks 1000 psi in a week, 1st one leaked 1000psi in two days. Neither my Marauder Rifle or my Marauder Pistol has any leak down issues at all over 10 years with them not a single problem, read online the Fortitudes are Leakers by many people on the forums and must be opened up as sending them back to Crossman is a like tossing a coin whether you get a good one or worse leaker. Leak down out of the Box is Very Important to me over a Average out of the box what it is Failure rate Out of the box?? pretty high on the Fortitude

[@criah563]

Will this gun be fine with a rifle scope? I want to put a Vortex Diamond Back 3x9 on mine.

[@EDCandLace]

One word, NSA 17.5g .219s. Makes this a viable 100y gun that will shoot in the 1.25 to 1.5 minute 10 shot groups after a tune and some barrel work and 2.5 to 3 minute out the box. We have tuned about 50 of these for clients. Easy to get 40ftlbs and a usable shot string with very tight ES and SD. Pushing the 17.5s or 19.5s at 39 to 42ftlbs and with a little barrel work its a sub 1.5 minute 100y gun. Trigger is decent and with a little polishing can be made fairly good (no its not a match trigger and never gonna be) for its price point its a superb trigger as most in this range are really bad. Overall the Avenger is a better gun, but they are extremely similar. We tune A LOT of .22 and .25 Avengers for customers. The Avenger is thr better gun, that's not saying this isn't an amazing value it is. Its a very easy gun to tune and we build our 40ftlb tune off of a 3250psi to 2500psi charge with a ES of around 9fps and a SD of around 2fps over 25 shots with slugs, pellet ES and SD will be slightly higher. The barrel as it sets is fine but REALLY comes to life with a little work. We lathe turn a 11 degree crown and JB bore paste and lead lap the barrel and quickly have a match grade barrel finish then we smooth the leade and deburr transfer port after a slight size adjustment to it and flow optimization.. For 500 bucks at that point 150 tune and 350 package you have a gun that will shoot sub 1.5 minute 10 shot 100y groups.. and will print consistently sub half inch 10 shot 50y groups with JSB 25.39 monsters. 25 shots at 40ftlbs on a 3250 to 2500psi charge. 3000 to 2500psi on that tune will give you around 19 shots. You could really shoot this tune down to 2300 and you will drop around 7fps on the slugs per shot once you are at 2450psi... There are a few tunes we can do that work extremely well and keep the gun in harmony. 60ftlbs is doable with this gun if you want it we designed a few parts that allow 58 to 60ftlbs but its a very short string at those power levels. Will be a 3600psi to 3100psi tune that gives 10 shots at 60ftlbs with a ES of around 13fps and SD of around 4fps with slugs but its really humping those slugs down range pushing 23.5g slugs super sonic. Griffen 16g Cup base. 219s are amazing in this gun on a 35ftlb tune (slightly higher then stock power but a super tight SD and ED over a lot of shots 3400psi fill around 35 shots with a ES around 6fps with slugs and a 1 to 1.5 SD. Slugs will almost always have a lower SD and deff a lower ES then pellets simply due to slugs weights are MUCH more consistent then pellets as are dia's.) My favorite tune is designed my the 21g .219 Griffins shallow cup base HPs (absolutely a monster of a wound channel creating slug.) Pushing them at 45ftlbs/985fps on a 3300psi starting fill and a 20 shot string with a ES of around 5 and a SD sub 2fps. That slug is still carrying 30ftlbs at a 100y and sub minute 100y 5 shot groups (at a indoor range taking wind out of play) are the norm and 10 shot 100y groups run right around 1 to 1.25 minute. This isn't far off the 100y performance of my Impacts, Crowns and HMX LRT's. Again for 500 bucks package and tune. Having a sub 1.5 minute capable gun is flat amazing. My husband and I are in to the high end world of PCP guns and own A LOT of world class guns. We rarely play with low end stuff, however this gun and the Avenger we have been shooting A LOT and not just tuning customer guns but rather we both own a .22 and a .25 Avenger and a .22 Origin each and shoot the hell out of them. The guns are extremely tunable and can be made to do what you want it to. Want a 3000psi start pressure and a huge number of shots at 12ftlbs no problem with a tight ES and SD. Want 60ftlbs no problem (does require some custom parts and some flow optimization and opening restrictions) I can say don't let the 3600psi fill pressure scare you, its simply not needed. Most of our tunes are between 3000 and 3300psi starting pressure and yes the difference between 3000 and 3600psi is a lot to a hand pumper so we keep fill pressures as low as possible on these tunes and on the Avenger tunes most are 3600 to 3900psi fill pressures so keep that in mind when deciding between the two but the Avenger is the better gun without a doubt.. however if you don't have a compressor or 300 bar tank the Avenger is not a hand pumpers gun IMHO the fill pressures are to high. BTW we do have a few in stock at our ebay store. I don't know if the AGD's is OK so I won't put a link as I didn't post this trying to make sells we have all the customers we could ever need. Just wanting everyone to know what is possible with these guns with either a tune company doing the work or you doing it your self. If you do anyone thing to this gun, that thing would be barrel work. Smooth the leade, deburr the transfer port (everyone will be burred up from the factory some are really bad) crown the barrel (we use a lathe so we can turn the crowns perfectly, we also use a Manson Precision carbide manual crown cutting tool and its superb and cheap at 400 bucks but not for the average Joe.. we cut A LOT OF barrels in the powder burning world and PCP world so its a value for us. And lead lapp the barrel with JB bore paste and then .5 micron polishing compound and you will have a flawless match grade barrel finish pretty quickly. Its easy to do just takes some time and some items that you will have to buy but the results will be extremely worth it... groups will shrink to near 2000 dollar guns performance levels and the gun will become farrrrrrrrr less ammo sensitive (pellet fussy). When your smoothing the leade just be careful to remove almost no metal. Use a very fine grit paper at the start but the smoothing the leade is very important as they are nasty from the factory and really gouge up projectiles. Enjoy a mighty fine preforming budget gun guys and gals and when you want to take it to the next level find a GOOD tuner or start tinkering your self and turn a great shooting value gun in to a great shooting gun that shoots WELL beyond its price point. These guns tune will out shoot FX dream series out the box at a 100y consistently (trust me I know I own 3x Dream lite carbon bottle guns, 2x .22s and a .25 and my husband owns a .22 a .25 and a .30) with slugs, now once dialed in the Dream lites will shoot lights out and yes it will out preform it but not by very much group wise. These guns will shoot 10 shot 100y groups with its preferred slug that are around 3 minutes out the box with some being a little smaller on average and some a little bigger on average just depends on that specific gun. with the barrel work and getting the ES super tight that will shrink down to around 1.25 minutes (keep in mind im talking at our indoor 100y range) and I can't stress it enough a 350 dollar package gun that's shooting 1.25 minute 10 shot groups at a 100y is out of this world good... when I bought my FX Boss .30 when it came out years back 2 moa was about as small a 10 shot 100y groups as possible... when I got my first Impact MK1 .25 and that gun tuned to the bleeding edge 1.25 to 1.5 minute 10 shot 100y groups was about as good as it got and thats with weight and headsize sorted JSB 25.39s and tens of thousands of rounds dialing in to perfection getting the gun shooting EXACTLY as I wanted it to and most 100y groups was right at 1.3 minute consistently with a 1 minute groups here and there. Now my impact MKII .30 will shoot sub moa all day long 10 shot 100y groups.. my point in that is 5 years ago a 2200 dollar gun that was super dialed in would shoot just about what this gun will do now with a 150 dollar tune... its truly unbelievable.

[@MechInvent]

That was a novel... All I got was "look up avenger".

[@skeltonantonio]

Is this strait out the box or did you adjust the hammer spring

[@jerrycrowe8448]

I can't wait till we get them up here in Canada and fast like in the next couple weeks as I am going to bite the bullet and get into the pcp game. So far it's between the Artemis pp750 and the diana stormrider and a Ebay special hand pump. My reasoning for this is Iam hoping to or will be getting a portable compressor in the future. I'd jump both feet in but I am waiting on my unrestricted firearm license to purchase my grail gun and this will feed my addiction till then. I love the detail of your reviews and as always enjoyed. Stay safe and accurately happy shooting.

[@AirgunDetectives]

I really appreciate you watching and thank you for the comments👍😉

[@Rileymanification]

Get the pp750. I have both of those and the little pp750 with a decent scop is just as accurate and you get more shots, just a bit less power.

[@jerrycrowe8448]

Thanks for the recommendations and I ended up with both actually I got the pp750 and the wife ordered me the stormrider with regulator and it was supposed to be a surprise and unfortunately for her I picked up the mail. Turned out great though as it was a nice way and treat maybe a little early but she's still made her husband smile for miles.

[@Rileymanification]

@@jerrycrowe8448 That's fantastic. I thoroughly enjoy both, and they both have their place. That pp750 has been hell on rats this year for me.

[@cjaltieri8564]

What scope rings do you have in this gun are the rings high?

[@brorjordas1979]

This video was just AWESOME!! Until this.. the only hunting styled PCP rifle I ever considered was the Gauntlet. (Yea. I am more into the military styled replica rifles). But this Origin seemed just phenomenal. Manual safety, double sight railing, many trigger adjustments, gauge on the side, comes with two mags...and looks just gorgeous! Was wondering if it'd be getting a 5-star rating because of the nitpickyness..😁😁 -Thank you so very much for this review! Awesome!!

[@AirgunDetectives]

Hi Bror...I hope all is good!!! I actually shared the info of the lack of the rail and the rubber cover with Umarex. I also suggested a .25 caliber and sling studs. Yes I am picky LOL 😊👍

[@brorjordas1979]

@@AirgunDetectives All is good over here, thank you for asking! Hope all good over there too.😊👍 Nice! Hope Umarex listens a bit and hope more for them to actually do an upgrade on it in the future.😊👍

[@brorjordas1979]

@@AirgunDetectives It has actually been even better than just good today. I chipped off one of the two BB feeding lips on my KWC 75 TAC (Tanfoglio Limited Custom) magazine some time qgo. That particular mag somehow has got very high lips on it. Spare mags for that pistol is of course nowhere close to be sold. Surely you can find of them in the US - and even for a ridiculously low price even. But not over here - especially in 4.5mm. Tried over a month ago some ordinary "super glue"'. No effin chance. No idea why it is called "SUPER glue".. But. Since nothing to lose.. I tried this "Gorilla Glue". That stuff somehow reacts with water. Put glue onto the mag tip - and dipped the lip in water. Clamped it together and let it be for hours in the boiler room where it is warm... -DAMN!! It worked! Loaded the mag with BBs and the lip pair did not even widen up one bit by the pressure of the BBs and the compressed tight follower spring. Measured the width of the lip pair with a digital caliper just for the interest. It held. Truly a happyhappyjoyjoy day today! 😁😁

[@AirgunDetectives]

@@brorjordas1979 excellent fix!!🙂👍

[@chrisreilly4006]

What chronograph do you use? Do you like it? I need a better one.

[@everardobarragan33]

You should make a video how to adjust the trigger

[@joseacce5712]

Full review hatsan striker 1000s please

[@PD-qb2ek]

How does it do with titanium or alloy pellets.

[@Mark-iu8my]

I really want to see if the Origin Stock will fit the Avenger

[@asoasotriadio]

The .25cal shoots at 50-55FPE and can reach up to 75FPE if turn the hammer spring to the max and gives around 25 shots in max power, I suggest you to make a full review on it

[@stedyone1090]

Very nice 👌 👍

[@user-io3cx5od5s]

Thank you for the great review. Now,I may consider buying one. What is the quality of the hand pump?

[@AirgunDetectives]

I have a couple and it seems as good as any other...time will tell, but they did include a rebuild kit...

[@user-io3cx5od5s]

@@AirgunDetectives thank you so much

[@JonR35]

Academy has them for 299 with pump, snagged one last night

[@realozark2349]

Hey, J.C.! Ya talked me in to it. Gonna make the Origin my first PCP. So, tell me, how many pumps will it take to put the A.V. Avenger to full pressure. 200 strokes? 300?...

[@AirgunDetectives]

I can't remember, but I know I covered it in the video. It is a bit of a work out, but remember the "sweet spot" it does not have to be completely filled. Just shoot in that range and pump it back to that level. Happy Shooting...wait till you see the new PCP I'll be featuring in a few weeks from JTS. You know what I say...#staytunedforairgundetectives 👍😉

[@markt413]

What gun is better the Origin or the Walther Reign?

[@chevysilver-ray-dough6328]

What did you have the hammer spring set at when you chronied it?

[@AirgunDetectives]

Didn't touch it...right out of the box, factory settings 👍

[@Tony-kl5tz]

That’s a lovely rifle. Can one change seals on this rifle? Umarex mentions that because of the ‘ever pressure chamber’ it is dangerous to work on not user serviceable. Umarex however does not want anyone to work on any of their guns any way pressure chamber or no.

[@Jay-dl4vk]

I thought that. E v t tank system pretty much acted as a regulator. somewhat. Cause it does. For the most part keep the shots pretty consistent with the next shot. & so on especially in the sweet spot area. .... added bonus like you said. For an unregulated pcp rifle ....

[@AirgunDetectives]

Fun rifle to shoot😉👍

[@Jay-dl4vk]

@@AirgunDetectives I'm sure it will be. Expecting a. .22 origin to be delivered today !! After. Lunch sometime. ..can hardly wait !! Have a great day & thanks for that awesome review of the origin . .

[@michaelcooper10]

What you said there about the sweet spot, didn't make sense you said the sweet spot averaged 919 fps. But when you ran it over the chrony it looked like the average was 950 feet per second.

[@franksotomayor9273]

Hi Air Gun Detective can You make a video of stoeger MX1 22 Cal PCP

[@AirgunDetectives]

Frank did you "Subscribe?" Ok...if the answer is yes, then check out his video I released 3 weeks ago kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXqvoGOQqtxgeKc

[@teslacybertruck750]

based on the FPS shown here. This hits way harder than the Gamo Urban! What is the scope you're using?.

[@nlmeireles5109]

Hi Mr John, congratulations to JUSTYNA KELLEY, I didn't know her, but I went to investigate and I loved it, he has an incredible voice and presence, I want to buy my first PCP, I noticed that I have to buy a compressor, I don't have muscles like John, I liked GAMO URBAN and now I really liked the new Umarex Origin, very good in everything and in the price, your evaluation says it all, I would very much like to have your opinion of the Hatsan Flash Wood rifle, aesthetically I like it better, health.

[@AirgunDetectives]

Hey Buddy...I hope all is well and your little dogs are all good! I will have to look at the Flash. I noticed your package is still on it's way...

[@nlmeireles5109]

@@AirgunDetectives thank you my friend, yes everything is fine and I hope that with you too, it has not arrived yet but it will arrive, I confess that I am anxious, I loved your dogs, I am trying to buy a Shiba Inu just like Nitro, that beautiful dog, my mother never had having seen this breed, he agrees with a new relative, at the moment we have seven dogs, we have room for one more, and of course his name will be Nitro.

[@AirgunDetectives]

@@nlmeireles5109 did I ever send his puppy picture to you? Let me know😉

[@nlmeireles5109]

@@AirgunDetectives no, i would like to see.