Airplane entered the runway and took-off without clearance at Palo Alto. Real ATC

[@mgoo1713]

If you can't hear the controller why leave the ground...

[@AndrewAbraham83]

I half think he did because suddenly he was copying everything. After saying he was having issues and after ignoring instructions. *suddenly* he was just fine.

[@ryantunison5433]

Having trouble with the radio and that’s my story and I’m not ch…..bzzzzbzzzzzzbzzzzbzzz

[@BetweenTheBorders]

I enjoyed hearing "for pilot deviation" as opposed to "possible deviation." Certainly seemed to think he was calling out what he was doing as opposed to asking for clearance.

[@Michael-iw3ek]

I noticed that too

[@AEMoreira81]

There is no "POSSIBLE" when you take off without clearance.

[@elcheapo5302]

"I take off now, good luck everyone else."

[@hotsoup1001]

The old "shhhh! shhh! ... Can't... Radio... Hear...shhhh!" excuse. 😂

[@batshevanivylerner8582]

exactly!!

[@Bobrogers99]

I'm not a pilot, but I'm also not an idiot. I wouldn't move out onto an active runway until cleared to do so. If I'm having trouble with the radio I'd work that out before I did anything else. That fellow needs serious retraining before he's allowed to fly again.

[@mrwonk]

It would be acceptable at an uncontrolled field, provided the radio wasn't on his MEL (minimum equipment list for he aircraft). Most pilots (including myself) wouldn't think of flying with our radio (or anything else) not working correctly.

[@The18107j]

Even at an uncontrolled airfield you're expected to look for approaching traffic and wait until it's clear before entering the runway. Given an aircraft had to go around, it seems as though they did not thoroughly check.

[@mrwonk]

@@The18107j Agreed. This pilot just didn't give a damn and needs to have his ticket pulled.

[@legofreak3204]

@@mrwonk The pilot talked to the tower seconds before and did NOT get a takeoff clearance. If it suddenly becomes an uncontrolled field, you should still ask whether you have the clearance. And only then you could think about starting your roll at your own risk.

[@JimMork]

Takes nerves to get in a plane. But unless one is depressed or on drugs, putting oneself in position to be clobbered (remembering you're endangering others) is the apex of all follies.

[@BLACKMONGOOSE13]

Listened to several of these incidents where pilots did not acknowledge tower on the ground but once the get in the air and about to leave the air space their radios magically start working.

[@xheralt]

There is some plausibility to that, actually. If the radio antenna is run along the underside of the airplane, it's fine up in the air, but on the ground it has the airplane itself shielding it, and it's transmitted energy is being shot into the tarmac. That antennae placement was okay in the days of analog radio, HF, VHF, and even UHF...but now that we're up in the 100's of megahertz (borderline microwave), radio signals become much more directional and subject to blockage by environment. Ever lose satellite tv during precipitation? Same principle.

[@AndrewAbraham83]

​@@xheraltapart from the fact the airband frequencies have been in the same place for decades. As have the antennas

[@The18107j]

When a person is under a high workload or in a stressful situation they start to lose track of things. One of the first things to go is hearing. It's entirely possible that the pilot was at an unfamiliar airport and the added workload from that meant they missed hearing radio calls until they were in a familiar situation again - in the air. It's possible that they were falling back on their experience of using an uncontrolled airfield, but it doesn't explain why they seemed to forget to look for approaching traffic before entering the runway.

[@smark1180]

@@xheralt COM1 antenna is usually on the bottom while COM2 is on the top for ground-to-ground communications - at least it used to be that way.

[@clifflofgrin5962]

@@smark1180 All good cmnts in this thread. You wrote "usually" but sometimes designers make boo-boos. And with the rarity of metal coat hangers, that plane might never be fixed. LOL

[@SVSky]

Palo Alto is my home airport, and I've always had an exemplary experience with the controllers there. It's a very short runway and very busy with a lot of training activity, but everyone does a good job,

Is the airport controlled H24?

[@ca_pilot]

@ It is not, and my guess here is that the pilot tried to call tower right after 5pm, didn't get a reply and assumed that the tower had closed. It does close at 9pm local.

[@garyxu5929]

@@ca_pilot Now it makes sense to me after you explain, I was wondering why he sounded like he was announcing at a non-tower airport

[@FiveTwoSevenTHR]

That's the shortest runway I've seen that's in a Delta.

[@dermick]

@@garyxu5929 Exactly - radio turned down, and assumed that the tower is closed for the night. It can happen to anyone.

[@robwhite2282]

Excellent visuals and a editing this video together. Tons of effort I’m certain. Thank you very much.

[@YouCanSeeATC]

Thank you for watching 🙂

[@spelldaddy5386]

Pilot seemed to think he was at an uncontrolled field, and then realized he wasn't and didn't want to face the shame, so just went radio silent for a while

[@BluegrassFilmsKY]

That's gonna go over great with FSDO

[@gavinsingh4450]

Yeah, seems like he thought it was uncontrolled!

[@sdluke]

Yeah, the way he called line up and take off really suggests that. He's gonna sweat a lot talking with the fsdo

[@dalegreer3095]

@@gavinsingh4450 He never called Palo Alto Tower, but he also never called Palo Alto Traffic, so either way his comms are not good.

[@badgerallen]

Cirrus dude should have just done as he was told instead of giving the controller his 2¢. She had enough going on, acknowledge her instructions and make a complaint on the ground.

[@justinkiang2673]

I can guess what happens. He turned down the volume of the radio on run-up because there’s other traffic distracting him, but forgot to turn it back up. Once he was done somehow he thought it was an uncontrolled field. Wasn’t until he’s in the air he realized the volume was down and turned it back up and claimed “radio problem”

[@JimMork]

No pilot experience here. Is working radio something to confirm before firing up the plane's engine? Always wondered about the mix of planes. Stuff has to be confirmed to be working.

[@justinkiang2673]

@@JimMork Usually after you fire up the engines you'd tune to the ATIS or AWOS (frequency that talks about weather and airport conditions, etc). After that you'd go to a common frequency for uncontrolled airports or ground frequency for controlled airports. I guess it's at that point where this pilot turned down the volume while working on something in the plane (GPS? runup? messing with go pro?) and forgot to turn it back up before moving, and thought they are in an uncontrolled airport??

[@JimMork]

@@justinkiang2673 Well, you've just described a human being. And quite often the human is the weak link in the chain. We all get trained to overcome our deficiencies. I think I would mess up anything where my training was weak. I worked for decades, and I definitely had instances where I just couldn't help making a mistake with inadequate training. I saw a case where a network engineer had two buttons to push and pushed the wrong one creating a massive network outage. No one died! In aviation, lives can end from human imperfection.

[@joustwave6541]

I've heard pilots say some pretty dumb things but I think 4:50 is the first time I've heard someone say "but I'm already on frequency" after being told to call the tower.

[@KuostA]

right. what a g o d 4 m n R 3 T 4 R D BA F 00 N

[@webcucciolo]

The accents tells me that he is not a US pilot. Call the tower in Europe would mean to call on radio

[@AnonyMous-jf4lc]

@@webcuccioloregistered owner is from Palo Alto and holds a US private certificate

[@webcucciolo]

@@AnonyMous-jf4lc then he was just trying to avoid the call 😆

[@derekst.laurent5768]

​@@webcuccioloYou are responsible for speaking common language in all countries you operate aircraft in. The common language used between controllers and pilots has been written in blood over decades of accidents.

[@Rv12_pilot]

Watched this happen in person, very scary watching it

[@TomCook1993]

Probably had his radio turned all the way down accidentally. Still doesn’t explain taking off from a controlled airport without coms

[@RLTtizME]

And without using the radio.

[@steltekx]

Ya, radio problems aren’t a valid excuse; it’s not as if he’d been cleared and then didn’t hear clearance was revoked. If you don’t have clearance to enter the runway then stay off the damn runway. If your radio isn’t functional you should not be trying to take off in the first place.

[@TomCook1993]

@@steltekx or taxi.

[@repatch43]

No comms equals you don’t go anywhere, not even taxi, this guys in a good bit of trouble

[@FullSendPrecision]

Agreed. He was announcing like he was at a non-towered airport.

[@jshumphress13]

I like how the first time the pilot deviation the ATC omitted the word “possible” lol. It was definitely a deviation. No question there. Don’t make assumptions even if you are actually having radio issues.

[@batshevanivylerner8582]

yeah, if he was 'actually' having radio issues. I don't believe he was. I think he realized he'd messed up and threw that radio issue claim to give himself an alibi so to speak. Really poor flying.

[@JimMork]

One more instance where I think radio is antiquated.

[@xeldinn86]

@@JimMork What should we use instead?

[@rhpmike]

Diamond seemed like he thought it was uncontrolled. Cirrus was a little too chatty IMO. Not defending Diamond, obviously, but don't think we really needed a bunch of transmissions from Cirrus griping about it. ATC clearly had it.

[@deew7014]

@@OH-qi1od🤦‍♀️

[@lewismass4320]

@@OH-qi1odr maybe it could be the fact that he could’ve collided with the aircraft because they were already on final approach. I’d be a little upset if my life was threatened because some idiot forgot about their radio.

[@gavinsingh4450]

​@@lewismass4320Don't be dramatic, no danger to life!!! It's a simple go around!!!

[@powerliftingpilot]

@@OH-qi1od FYI, you saying " I'm more than sure it's the foreign accent that had lots to do with that " indirectly makes you the racist one, just saying. The cirrus was rightfully mad. You're not a pilot so you will never understand

[@n3493]

The n660ps pilot saying 'problem with ehm radiouuu' c'mon just remove his license already. No clearence to take off and he goes. Nothing else to say. The Cirrus pilot shared a little too much commentary on an already overloaded controller, that handled this perfectly.

[@blackmusik109]

The only time I wouldn't mind copying a controller's number😂

[@Benis650]

He is simply a person who is full of lies. Even if there was a genuine radio malfunction, he still took off without any authorization or confirmation, barging onto the runway.

[@in4merATP]

Cirrus guy is a little sharp and chatty right off the bat for flying a 747 downwind.. Aviate, navigate, then communicate

[@N1120A]

29J was a clown

[@gf408]

i’m glad someone else mentioned this that was horrible pattern work

[@lyingcat9022]

Yeah I imagine he was caught flat footed going from IFR Approach to VFR early go around with an airplane underneath to an immediate right base before even reaching the runway. So he had no visual on the field when establishing his downwind heading and it looked like he miss calculated the the reciprocal heading of the runway, flying an incorrect downwind over the water. Good lesson for the IFR Pilot, have not only your final approach course handy but also the downwind, cross and base heading ready to quickly hand fly a random and sudden pattern. Also pattern altitude. And don’t run your mouth complaining about the other pilot in the middle of a major change in flight plan/procedures.

[@wardentex1810]

Sharp? The dude is a Karen. Couldn't even fly a pattern.

[@wardentex1810]

@@lyingcat9022 HAHAHA Had no visual on the field so he couldn't fly a proper downwind heading?? A: he was in VMC conditions, so he had the airport AND the plane taking off, and since when do you have to have visual on the airport to fly a proper downwind heading?? You don't have to be caught "flat footed" to know what the reciprocal heading is for a downwind, ESPECIALLY if he's an instrument rated pilot. No, he was more interested in being a Karen and giving his two cents about the situation instead of just letting the tower do their job. B: An early go around?? He should have been preparing for a go around the moment he asked the tower if the other plane was taking off. So he had almost a minute of knowing he could be executing a go around.

[@mrwonk]

Absolutely inexcusable. This is pilot 101 at controlled airspace. We all learn it as student pilots. I hope the FAA pulls that clown's ticket!

[@smaze1782]

The whole I’m having problems with my radio argument is such BS. The fact is you never got clearance to take off which means you don’t take off.

[@FullSendPrecision]

0PS was acting like he was at a non-towered airport. He obviously had his volume down or something

[@mrwonk]

He needs his ticket pulled. He clearly didn't even bother to pick-up the weather. This guy is a GA accident waiting to happen.

[@phapnui]

He's now qualified to fly Boeing 767.

[@t288msd]

Made all the right calls if the airport was uncontrolled... unfortunately wasn't listening out

[@alabamacoastie6924]

I love the final exchange! 😂

[@YouCanSeeATC]

👍🤣

[@akiko009]

That was quite an event. No adherence to lost comm procedures by 0PS. But I'm a bit surprised that 29J felt it important enough to call the tower about it. I'm assuming he's a perfect pilot who never makes mistakes, and wanted to highlight that to the world.

[@N1120A]

Calling the tower was fine, but his commentary while flying was dumb.

[@akiko009]

@@N1120A Yeah, that, too.

[@AnonyMous-jf4lc]

Making a mistake is forgetting to switch the radio channel and having tower/ground remind you that you’re still on their freq. Disregarding a fistful of regs and standard safety protocols and procedures is how people die. It’s way beyond unacceptable. The pilots need their ticket pulled. If you fly any decent amount of hours outside bravo airspace, you’ll get tired of people that have zero business flying a plane real quick.

[@ro-86alkonost78]

@@akiko009 oh yeah? Do you know how dangerous taking off from a controlled airport without ATC clearance is? It's a blatant disregard for safety and in aviation, safety is always the first priority. If he couldn't hear the tower, then why did he take off in the first place? There's a good chance that the ATC was also upset, but just didn't show it. I bet you wouldn't be criticizing the pilot of 29J if the pilot of 660PS caused or almost caused an accident because he took off without a clearance. It's not a simple mistake, it's a violation which can be easily avoided. The 660PS pilot could have gotten him and the pilot of 0PS killed, so he has every right to be upset about it.

[@aisle9]

Those darned unreliable radios, always going out when a pilot screws the pooch in a massive way.

[@mtnairpilot]

I think the Cirrus guy was being a bit dramatic. It’s not like he was crossing the fence when the Diamond Star took the runway. I’m supposing ATC encouraged him to file a complaint to make the case stronger against the DS pilot.

[@FullSendPrecision]

Cirrus pilot going into Palo Alto... seems about right.

[@TheRedRaven_]

Lol that was me, my bad.

[@joesmith332]

This is about the 3rd or 4th time in the past couple of weeks I've seen a video where English was definitely not the pilot's first language that caused a problem. Also, to the people saying the Cirrus was out of line for his comment, let's see how you handle someone taking off when you're on short final.

[@jojosmith1097]

Cleared for take off when at rotation controller called me to abort. Seems that the plane before didn't clear the runway in time and taxied all the way to the end of runway. It was Hayward, 28L, 5700 feet in Cessna 172.

[@steveturner3999]

You beat me to the accent issue. I watched multiple videos from all over the US in the last week that had one thing in common. The pilots spoke with very heavy accents. I’m not downing any ethnicity but they all had trouble communicating and definitely had trouble either flying or following ATC instructions.

[@martinbrink6711]

English proficiency and clear radio enunciation should be part of the check-ride. It's clear that with the number of non-proficient english speakers with pilots licenses that this check isn't happening.

[@crazyralph6386]

@@martinbrink6711t use to be when they issued radio licenses even before you got your ticket. Now it’s the Wild West, cause everyone is afraid to point out the elephant in the room. In the aviation world, it’s only a matter of time before it leads to a disaster in which everyone will act surprised, despite seeing the writing on the wall? Bank on it!

[@rnav36]

Very true. I've worked in several regions around the world, and I'm embarrassed to say that the aviation industry in the US is more lenient on the English language than most places in the world. Including a lot of Asian countries. I flew with countless guys here in the US, who would have zero chance flying in their origin countries with their level of English proficiency. Most countries require pilots to take the ICAO English test in order to obtain their certificate. For example, in Hong Kong, I've seen some Americans failing the ICAO English test, and I'm talking about the real American native speakers who were born and raised in the US. It's ironic that as an English-speaking nation with such a big aviation community, we are the most lenient when it comes to language and communication.

[@BrandenGranger]

The 29J guy sounds like a tool regardless of what the guy in the Diamond did.. react but keep emotion out of it.. I hope that guy never makes a mistake!

[@xeldinn86]

Taking off without clearance is one hell of a mistake...

[@PaulWasserman]

Hi all! I'm the "pretentious" "drama-lama" "karen" Cirrus pilot in this video. Fortunately, years as a prosecutor has inoculated me from taking hurtful comments to heart and in the spirit of making aviation safer, I wanted to share the ASRS report I submitted on this event where I attempt to point out the things I did wrong in the hope that it helps others learn from my mistakes. Thanks to all those who gave constructive criticism as all pilots should check ego at the door so we learn from our own and other's mistakes. Here is the full report: I was flying from KAPC to KPAO on an IFR flight plan. I was inbound on the RNAV 31 in VMC at this point and was cleared for landing. While on short final (within a mile or so of the threshold) a Diamond Star took the runway after being issued a Hold Short instruction from tower. The tower tried to raise the pilot but having no joy, issued me a go-around. I had previously completed my missed approach procedure briefing and the airplane was configured with the MA altitude bugged and repeating the mantra in my head of how to execute the missed even though I had no reason to believe I would have to do one based upon the VMC conditions; I try to be consistent for safety reasons. I saw the Diamond Star pull onto the runway when the tower told me to execute a go-around. At this point, I started my MA procedure of applying full power, simultaneously hitting my TOGA button for FD pitch visual clues, and began my climb on runway heading to 1400 feet while anticipating a turn direct SJC Vortac at 3000. ATC then asked if I wanted to execute the MA or go visual. Unfortunately, I chose visual which, in retrospect, was a mistake on my part (see below). At this point I was in a nose up attitude and was not paying attention to the ground traffic as I *assumed* the Diamond Star had just blown his Hold Short instruction and it was a “standard” runway incursion incident. My wife was seated next to me and was leaning over the dash to see out over the cowling when she said “He’s rolling!” (who said a non-pilot can’t be a great help in the Right Seat!?). I called tower as they had not mentioned anything yet to confirm what my wife was seeing. Tower confirmed and immediately approved a right cross-wind turn. I immediately executed while simultaneously registering my dissatisfaction with the Diamond to ATC. I then turned downwind but had not correctly monitored my reciprocal runway heading for right traffic and was extended out further from the pattern than I should have been (my original instructors at KSNA will slap me for this as I was trained “old school”: high and *tight* pattern in case you lose an engine). ATC gave me a heads-up and I told them I was not entirely familiar with the airspace; i.e. visual reference points and local customs. They were great and tucked me back in and the subsequent landing was uneventful. The ground controller suggested I call them to register a complaint. After shutting down, I spoke with the ground controller on the phone (who was actually the supervisor in the tower that day) and he told me that in his 10 years at KPAO, this was by *far* the most dangerous pilot deviation he had seen. My Takeaways: What I think I did wrong: 1) Not anticipating the unexpected and then not keeping to my plan in unfamiliar airspace. I learned to fly and fly the vast majority of my time at a Charlie airport (John Wayne) which is just south of LAX Bravo. Thus, I am very comfortable on the radios and in highly complex airspace. Prior to our Bay Area trip, I studied the charts of the airspace in an around KPAO and *thought* I was good with it. Whelp… that can go right out the window when the unexpected happens. In this case, my first error was accepting the visual in an unfamiliar area. What I should have done was execute the missed approach as that was what was in my mind and what I was preparing for. Deviating from that in a highly dynamic, high stress, unfamiliar environment is a recipe for mistakes as evidenced by my non-standard pattern. I will make sure to also brief a visual go-around in anticipation of similar, future events. 2) Letting my emotions potentially cloud judgment I’m not gonna lie; I was pissed off. I looked at the ADS-B data and it shows my altitude somewhere between “surface/near surface” to 575 feet at the time I executed the go-around. Needless to say, that’s concerning and I unfortunately let my reaction spill over to comms when I asked tower “Tell me you’re taking a number on this guy??!” to which they answered in the affirmative. While I don’t *think* my heightened emotional state translated into unsafe airmanship, as we all know, it is the *cumulative* effect of x-factors (here a Black Swan event of a guy taking off without a clearance at a busy controlled airfield, unfamiliarity with the airspace and heightened emotions) that is the problem. At a minimum, it was a net-neutral but also as likely a net-negative. One can’t control how their mind and body instinctually reacts emotionally to a highly stressful situation, but one can control how they act once realizing the heightened emotional state they are in. What I think I did right: 1) Admitting when you don’t know something. I teach college and I constantly harp on my students that it is *never* a sign of weakness to admit when you don’t know something or ask for help. Here, although uncomfortable to ask considering I had studied the space earlier, I told ATC I was unfamiliar with the airspace and, as expected, they were tremendously helpful. 2) I did fully concentrate on flying the airplane first and foremost and never felt like I was not in control of the aircraft. My initial MA routine was spot on just as I’ve practiced a million times. Even after deviating by going visual and doing a wider-than-I-should pattern, I had a smooth remainder of the flight evidenced by my not-generally-thrilled-to-fly wife saying that she was never nervous. :) All in all it was a good reminder to never get complacent and always expect the unexpected.

[@doko56428]

Thank you for sharing. It's always impressive how most pilots continuously look to learn and improve from their experiences.

[@msjdb723]

Thank you for sharing it. 👍

[@jeffersonstatecrash]

Most of those calling you out are probably not pilots themselves. I wouldn't concern myself with them even a little. And even if you are a pretentious tool, you have a Cirrus and a wife and they almost certainly do not have either. You acquitted yourself well in an unexpected situation while task saturated. I've never dealt with a runway incursion but I have had to dodge a drone in the traffic pattern at pattern altitude, and I'm sure my displeasure was evident in my call to the tower. I think you hit the main point where you could have done differently and gone missed, but I think that's a pretty small rock. The DA40 could have got you both killed, that's a pretty good reason to be upset.

[@matthewkerian6345]

Haters gonna hate. Of course we should let our emotion sit until we are in an ideal position to express it. But such a blatantly dangerous act is... blatantly dangerous. I completely understand your anger considering you had your wife in the plane (and tbh even if not). You seem like a greater pilot than most.

[@ro-86alkonost78]

Your complaints are understandable, but you flew the plane instead of the plane flying you, you put your emotions back in control at least. I would say that you should study your airport of destination before going there, but at least you admitted that you're unfamiliar with the airport, although to fully master an airport and airspace around it, you really need to fly there because if you don't no matter how much you study about it and fly in it using simulators, you can never master flying there if you never do it in real life. Also, you should always expect the unexpected since flying a plane can become hours of boredom followed by sheer moments of fear. Next time, when you have a complaint like that, you can always talk about it to the tower on ground too. But at least you admitted these errors. If the Diamond pilot entered the runway without authorization while you're already at 100ft above the runway and preparing for touchdown, he could've gotten you and your wife killed.

[@HiddenWindshield]

5:48 The first time ever that a pilot actually _asked_ to be given a number! 🤣

[@wardentex1810]

That guy was a Karen.. lol

[@Winglets68]

The cirrus acts like going around in a light single engine is such a big deal. That’s situation is just something I’d laugh at not get upset with.

[@alalal8157]

Another case of more money than brains....

[@Jopanaguiton]

It seems N660PPS thought the field is non-towered

[@love2fly558]

660PS pilot was following non-towered procedures. Looks like he didn’t even ask for taxi clearance. He just announced taxing and taking off as it were non-tower. Student pilot??? very weird.

[@NuncNuncNuncNunc]

Trouble with radio so pilot just assumes whatever he hears is what he wants to hear. This is not the same pilot who flew opposite his flight plan out of Palo Alto a month or so back?

[@johnf8877]

Having driven in the Bay Area, these guys drive the same way.

[@jamese983]

Despite this man’s actions, the other pilot should have kept his mouth shut. Air traffic control handled the situation and he put his nose in a place it didn’t belong.

[@rnav36]

Exactly my thought. That's why he's not flying for the airlines. Prompting ATC to give a phone number to a fellow pilot was a total douche move.

[@robh4671]

Having a partial radio failure is not unknown, being able to transmit and not receive happened to me one day, but I was in the air at the time, scary stuff.. I when I realised my radio was duf I carried out the radio failure procedure and managed to get down safely, that’s why on the ground a radio Check with ATC is crucial .

[@Flygupp15]

This is why a proper understanding of English is vital

[@ahmadsamadzai8255]

CA airspace is becoming the wild wild west. Yesterday, I heard the Joshua approach tell a pilot to stay clear of the restricted airspace. The pilot responds with I don't have the restricted airspace in sight so can you give me a heading? Atc gave him a heading. Then later when the atc terminated his FF the pilot asked for the airport's ctaf frequency because he didn't have it. atc gave it to him and didn't say anything. lol

[@avocadoflight]

Wow.

[@MrWhiterunGuard]

lol I think his communication wasn’t a request for take off, it was just him telling the tower that he is taking off.

[@Jopanaguiton]

Yes he was communicating as he would in a non-towered airport

[@f35bonanza]

If you follow these incidents, there is a pattern of the offending pilot having poor English skills. In fact, it always sounds like the same guy.

[@efoxxok7478]

This is by no means trying to justify his actions, but… The radio calls by the suspect aircraft seemed to be more inline with an uncontrolled field. I’m betting this “less than bright” person most likely doesn’t operate in this kind of environment

[@jordancobb509]

Making traffic calls... sounds like he forgot he was at a controlled airport.

[@mp-xt2rg]

Given the radio calls he was making I'm guessing he forgot he was at a class d airport. I'm assuming he was thinking is was pilot controlled and had the volume on his radio all the way down and didn't realize other aircraft were on final.

[@cgtbrad]

Always do a radio check for transmission and reception before leaving the parking spot. Even if there is no one else at the airport I use a handheld radio to check the aircraft radio. More than once I've caught myself with the radio turned down or muted in the com panel.

[@callenstewart6959]

VAS has some competition I seeeee

[@wayneroyal3137]

29J, I’m pretty sure the Tower has the situation under control.

[@kennethjohnson4280]

The "unbelievable" was not needed. Keep radio coms short and to the point, she's has enough problems as is. While he has every right to be angry, he should remain professional on the radio.

[@Vontai21]

He must of been confused and thought this was a uncontrolled field or tower was closed and was talking to CTAF

[@JimMork]

So such occurrences make me wonder at the training for the pilot's license. Doesn't someone have to observe the pilot in training responding to radio from the control tower? Is that a box to check? If the control tower radios an instruction without a timely pilot response, this forces their hand for all other traffic. And I'm thinking the other pilots are bothered when one person or plane won't play by the rules.

[@Maddog-wm5xi]

Lol everyone shitting on the Cirrus have never had ATC loom the other way and it shows.

[@smark1180]

His radio issue excuse was b.s.

[@slowsteve3497]

The radio isn’t the issue. It’s taking off without a clearance that is issue. Or even starting to taxi without clearance. Sounded like he forgot there was a tower. Maybe he came in at night when it was closed.

[@avlisk]

When you gotta go, you gotta go takes on a whole new meaning with that guy. Geezus!

[@billmiller3425]

I sure hope his license was at least suspended.

[@ezguy91701]

I am not a pilot, but I see other pilots actually look to their right to see if it's clear to take off. Is it possible 066PS didn't or couldn't see 29J?

[@AviationJeremy]

Palo Alto? *listens to see if I recognize the voice*

[@utoothheartyeight]

"listens to see"? ... how about "listen to hear"?

[@AviationJeremy]

@@utoothheartyeight thank you for your wisdom, o sage one. Nobody likes a grammar Nazi.

[@briansavage932]

If his radio was malfunctioning then why take off without clearance? You don’t just go, you hold short and try to make contact with the controller first as it is a controlled airfield. If you can’t reach a controller you don’t go. He was clearly experiencing task overload by the sound of his voice.

[@kevinp8108]

I believe that the pilot went to the same flight academy as Harrison Ford and all the Canadian airline pilots!

[@DeweyCheatumNHoweLLC]

In a case like that, can FAA ground the plane for radio issues until they provide paperwork saying it's been fixed?

[@UncleKennysPlace]

Nope, but they are limited as to where they can fly without it, so their departure airport would be off limits. The real question: why did they take off at a towered airport without clearance?

[@matthewrammig]

No, a radio isn’t always required to fly an airplane.

[@1ytcommenter]

@@matthewrammig time to stricten the rules .

[@matthewrammig]

@@1ytcommenter I firmly agree and the same goes for ADS-B out.

[@martinbrink6711]

You cannot operate in a tower controlled airport without a radio. Refer to FAR/AIM Chapter 3, Section 2. That pilot was violating the law the minute he took his feet off the brakes if he wasn't talking to anybody. Additionally, ADS-B out has been mandatory in the US since 2010.

[@ca_pilot]

Cirrus guy was too much. Calm down, fly the plane, let ATC handle it.

[@MrYoungkimba]

Agree 100%. Comes off a bit dick-ish…

[@coreyballard8359]

Yeah, not his problem. Dude needs to give it a rest. Pretentious

[@banjo2019]

I think he got emotionally charged because the Diamond was taking off directly beneath him.

[@jason2171t]

Totally agree! All they had to say is going around deafly not a pilot. I’d want to be with an emergency.

[@N_Wheeler]

Agreed. Cirrus guy wanted to pile on a guy who thought he was departing an uncontrolled field, as if anyone was in grave danger.

[@jamesbillington9280]

Tower? what tower?

[@patricklawler4138]

Considering they own three aircraft you'd think they would know. But as we have bad drivers there are also bad pilots. Unfortunately a bad pilot can end up killing hundreds.

[@jakecostello8400]

Absolutely no excuse. Ridiculous.

[@andysPARK]

I think it's a part time control tower. I bet the pilot defaulted to non controlled procedures...

[@daveellison7814]

Yes, but at 5pm on a Sunday, it'll be staffed. That's a busy time for an urban GA airport. You can't not see there's a tower there, and your an idiot if you think it's uncontrolled at a busy time.

[@andysPARK]

@@daveellison7814 oh yeah, for sure. And he was using the radio. I just think he may have at some point fallen into the habits and procedures associated with non controlled.

[@skooter2767k]

Wow, for once it’s NOT the Cirrus jacking things up

[@ryangi5]

So when a pilot does something that moronic, do they get their license revoked? Please say yes.

[@MrDirectorAgent]

The caption is listing the wrong air craft at 6:29

[@YouCanSeeATC]

Thank you.

[@apple54345]

@@YouCanSeeATC and thank YOU for caring enough to respond about inaccuracies.. Unlike certain higher subscriber channels (who shall not be named) who don't seem to care about accuracy in the slightest.

[@YouCanSeeATC]

I was a bit tired, s I made that mistake.

[@michaelmchugh3987]

Pull his license. Should not be flying. Unsafe.

[@tompurvis1261]

This guy dies not really understand what tower is staying.

[@powerliftingpilot]

In my very few instances of feeling this way, in this case I feel its justified... I hope the FAA permanently revokes 0PS's license and cites him. Incredibly stupid on his part. Astronomically even. He is a danger to himself and others.

[@calogerofuca6778]

N660PS cleared himself to takeoff? Hope he got his license ripped off, it's a unbelievable, even myself, not a pilot, know that you can't takeoff in a towered airport without tower clearance.

[@kirknitz3794]

What can be the consequences for this type of behavior?

[@FullSendPrecision]

Suspension or termination of license. Possibly months of legal problems if he wanted to fight it.

[@johnaclark1]

@@FullSendPrecision Probably just a talking to by the FAA and probably some required retraining. I'm pretty certain he thought it was an uncontrolled field. Why he thought that I can't speculate but that's how it appears.

[@wmsnowboarding336]

29J what a bad ass! I wish I was this cool… Acting like they’ve never made a mistake! Very dangerous attitude for a pilot.

[@crazyralph6386]

There was nothing wrong with the radio, just the pilot who shouldn’t be licensed to drive a lawn tractor

[@ShuRugal]

Just Cirrus things.

[@flythec152]

Cirrus dude was pretty unprofessional as well.

[@tompurvis1261]

Looking at the FlightRadar24 data for this plane, it looks to be a flight school or rental. Lots of short flights and several per day. I would be curious to know if this is the case and if this pilot is then banned from using the plane again.

[@tompurvis1261]

Same group owns N591CA which is following the same short flight patterns. The company is listed as Elegant Scale LLC. According to the CA business registration site, it is an Investment co. So who is operating the planes? Are they leased to a flight school? We need more info here. Also N739DS

[@AndyAviation]

​@@tompurvis1261all their planes belong to a flight school called advantage aviation. Look them up

[@johnfriend862]

This guy did not sound like an experienced pilot, it makes me wonder if he's even licensed. If he was he probably isn't anymore.

[@carolynmacdonald8047]

Wow!!! Unbelievable!! Can this guy be fined. Wtf

[@J4CK4LFUL]

People saying 29J is too serious, if they were both like PS they would both be dead 😂

[@Simo-nk1oq]

Was it Harrison Ford?🤣🤣🤣

[@deew7014]

Harrison Ford flying school graduate 😂

[@tpspc03]

29J with the attitude in his Cirrus Airbus 767.....Geez. Dude made a mistake, try to stay professional.

[@wadesaxton6079]

29J is a bit a of a drama lama.

[@kevinalexander4347]

I love how the cirrus pilot got mad, they’re known for being assholes lol, I’ve experienced it myself

[@Flyguy464]

Well... if that was me... Cirrus or not... I'd be F'in pissed off. Taking off without a clearance directly under me while I'm executing a go-around??! I'd be yelling 'Fox-2!" 🤣

[@Justin-ny8df]

We had a guy coming in for a biannual, I think? He was a Cirrus guy and all he could talk about was "I fly a Cirrus," it was about every other sentence.

[@rnav36]

Hello Mr. Drama Queen on Cirrus 29J. Just another very typical GA pilot you'll see in America, gets a little too excited when he sees another pilot making a mistake and can't wait to call it out. Like he has never made a mistake himself. Probably angry that he couldn't get a job flying for the airlines. Airline guys don't make that kind of comments over the radio. Yeah it was a big issue that the Diamond Star guy took off without a clearance, ATC knows how to deal with it. Nevertheless, it's a GA airport full of weekend warriors, it's nothing "unbelievable".

[@daxflame163]

Well said

[@ro-86alkonost78]

You call him a drama queen? Do you know how dangerous taking off against clearance is? It could've gotten them killed. Your comment is no different from victim bashing lol.

[@rnav36]

@@ro-86alkonost78 well okay Mr/Ms Aviation Expert. He didn't take off "against" a clearance, he took off without one. It's clear that everybody knows he's wrong, and I too believe that he needs to be given a violation, but that's not the point here. Since you're an expert, you should already know that majority of the GA airports in America are uncontrolled. You're flying a single engine Cirrus at a two-digit speed, if you can't manage to see and avoid another aircraft, perhaps you should find another hobby if it's too "dangerous" to you. Or simply find somewhere else to practice your fancy instrument approaches. I'm not bashing on the "victim" here, just describing his reaction. But I guess I should understand, in the state of California, everybody is a "victim". And we should always feel bad for the person who's weak. Just saying, airline guys don't usually make negative comments about another fellow pilot over the radio, even in the worst situation, we know who to side with, maybe it's the military mindset that we have. We just let ATC decide what to do with them, and keep everything professional. Let alone prompting ATC to give him a number, that's a total douche move.

[@ro-86alkonost78]

@@rnav36 taking off without clearance is still highly dangerous. "you should already know that majority of the GA airports in America are uncontrolled." This is why you should study the destination airport and airspace before conducting a flight there. If many people don't do that and thought that a controlled airports are uncontrolled, then how the hell did they even get their pilot certificates? Taking off without clearance just because you think it's an uncontrolled airspace is worse. Even students in my school would know what's controlled and uncontrolled. Prompting the ATC to give him a number is not a total douche move, it is somewhat right and understandable move because like I said, taking off without a clearance is a dangerous move and could get somebody killed. Silence doesn't mean yes, and in this case, silence doesn't mean a clearance is given, that's common sense.

[@ro-86alkonost78]

@@rnav36 also, do you know that flight planning exists? You probably don't know that flight planning exists.

[@piper0428]

That info that the pilot receivfed should be kept confidental. Assumptions dont show facts. Its easy to jump to conclusions. Lets focus on flying the airplane, not be concerned about distractions!

[@joemeyer6876]

Diamond Cirrus Hindu Man, I fly plane as best I can! I write down your silly number, then I buy your airport! - Haiku

[@analogman9697]

Akbar is probably here on a genius visa.

[@jumboJetPilot]

Amateur!

[@austintx_planespotter8561]

The Cirrus pilot should have mind his own business instead of complaining

[@chrisschack9716]

His business was landing, and 660PS sort of got in the way of that.

[@banjo2019]

Yeah, just let other planes crash into you. Nothing to get upset about.

[@austintx_planespotter8561]

@@banjo2019cirrus was on a 1 mile final.

[@austintx_planespotter8561]

@@chrisschack9716yes but, cirrus was on a final 1 mile final when ATC told him to go around

[@banjo2019]

@@austintx_planespotter8561 But as Tower told him to go around, the Diamond was still taking off UNDERNEATH him. It was the Cirrus who had to point that out before Tower authorized the right crosswind. The Cirrus was put into danger so this was all very much “his business.”

[@michaelallen1396]

Some real Karens flying airplanes.