AJS37 Viggen: Land-Based ELINT Data Collection & Analysis Tutorial | DCS WORLD

[@brpprp6198]

37:13 that poor tree for sure grew some gray leaves that day 😂 Nice flying, loved it!

[@SKFthree]

That low-level run was seriously tense and awesome! Nice flying.

[@LukelearMissile]

That's the most bonkers low level flying I've seen yet! Intense! I do love the Viggen :)

[@scarletlightning565]

Blood, you should be charging to be a Viggen instructor. That or, get in touch with ED and see if you can voice the Viggen tutorials. I love listening to you explain things. Sorry if any of that sounded weird :P

[@bulico06]

Cap with his Peter Lorre sounding voice though...

[@colderwar]

I've never heard a more " RAF fast jet instructor " sounding voice in my life...

[@manuelrdz.2246]

We urgently need more ELINT, recce and effective jamming pods in DCS.

[@klofisch]

We still need a Tornado ECR :)

[@Beast-mo9bu]

This is a fantastic capability. Maybe less interesting to viewers than straight-up combat, but why not make it a requirement for blue and red teams to map the battlefield using this ELINT rather than presenting the same “here are the targets, here is where all the ADA is” briefing? Basically you get to fly one mission apiece, plot it all out, then fly with a likely incomplete and different picture of the battlefield by opposing sides? That could be day one of a campaign.

[@bmbpdk]

Fully agree, its a very interesting concept and missiontype.

[@flighttherapybullisticfpv133]

Absolutely, I feel like the surveillance and monitoring capabilities of the more modern aircraft are not used as they should be either in typical campaign building. However for trigger reasons I can see why it would be hard to leave objectives vague

[@dosvidanyagaming4123]

Su-25T was a prototype series of 4 modified to carry Vikhr ATGMs. As far as I know it didn't carry FANTASMAGORIA ELINT pod, which was made for Su-24M. I think the symbology would be correct, but not sure. As an addition, great to see someone fly the Viggen like it would be flown in a war, stupid low and horrifiyngly fast.

[@soleenzo893]

If you need the altimeter to know how high you are and you're not at 100%+ thrust, you're flying it wrong, and also you might die ahaha such a fun aircraft

[@Nanne118]

Nice video Cap 'n co! One thing that I wondered about though is why you guys pulled back feet wet (to sea) when you were being engaged by the SAM? It makes sense to want to move away from the SAM site, especially since the reflective water surface will fuddle with radar, but once you were being engaged by the SAM site why did you not change direction to be overland and use the ground as cover from the radar / missiles? A helpful tidbit (though you may already be aware of this) is that it is relatively simple to defeat any incoming missiles by making them pull into the ground: missiles do not track and follow you (like the antiquated movie trope), but instead guesstimate where you are going to be and try to meet you at that position. If you go low the missile runs chance of going into a nearby hill, but even on flat ground you can use the terrain to defeat the missile. To do this you go as low as possible, pull up slightly to get some altitude (100 feet is more then plenty) and immediately dive back down to ''scraping the grass'' low. What this does is that the missiles adjusts its course when you are going up, and it then has to compensate even more when you are diving down: the missile will thus drive itself into the ground trying to (over)correct the predicted position of your aircraft and you should be good!

[@Aardvark892]

Absolutely love these videos, can't thank the GR enough. Watching Cap fly, tho, is always nerve wracking. He loves to fly within an arms reach of everyone. Gawd it makes me nervous.

[@AdurianJ]

I noticed you all emptied your dispenser pods during the first evasive action at 16:53 you can see the right hand indicator panel lighting up with some yellow warnings. "KB-V Slut" = KB dispenser on the left side is empty "FACKL SL" = Flares empty "MOTVERK" = Means either the ECM pod is active or the Dispenser is active when cap turns the ECM pod off at 16:54 you see the light go out and immediately he get's a radar lock warning !

[@idontlikebigbrother9778]

Two things to add The viggen's ecm pod can only actively emitting radiation in the front, its like a cone with a +-60 degree azimuth and +-45 degree elevation. So when you are running away from sam sites, it is useless to turn on the active mode(dial to B) because there is no emitter at the back of the pod. This information is on the manual page 125. Also that sam site assumption rectangle can be seen on the kneeboard map. So you dont need to quit the game and struggle with those coordinations. You can just see these rectangles on the kneeboard map. Sorry, the second thing needs a mod to become true, the further discussion can be found in the "2018 kickoff Development changelog" thread in the ed forum. Btw the dispenser pod is pretty interesting, it is said that the original design contains a ecm emitter in the front part of the pod, makes it an integreted countermeasure pod, something like the ecm pod on mig21, later they found the space is not enough so they simply abandoned this design.

[@AdurianJ]

I think i would use mode A for the dispenser and move the release switch to "kont" or "int" this means i have selected automatic chaff dispensing and enabled it. if you see an IR missile you have to manually press the quick release button which overrides everything ! The automatic mode normally releases chaff in mode 2 if it's needed but if a CW radar locks on it switches to mode 1 ! Mode 1 empties the pod in 1.5 minutes Mode 2 in 3.5 minutes Mode 3 in 8 minutes Mode 4 also in 8 minutes but if you carry two pods this is the only mode that empties one pod first and then switches to the other so you get a possible total of 16 minutes.

[@DJScaleModels]

Viggen pilots - Only get mildly concerned as soon as they receive "SAM Launch Confirm" tones. Any other pilot, ever - AWHHH SHIIIIITTTT

[@Brack_Etman]

27:55 lead hits ground.. woops

[@stefanie_m466]

07:53 the Foxbat, fencer, frogfoot are compatible with the L-080 Fantasmagoria-A [Emitter Locator] - (AS-11/17) ESM Emitter Locator (For ARM Missiles) . was top secret till 2008.

[@Motorman2112]

I often nearly die attempting to pre-emptively roll and pull down over a ridgeline only to find that it's a false peak and I've pulled down into the mountain.

[@jowenjv4463]

Very usefull video, thank you for doing this ! Cheers from France.

[@Tomartyr]

Sherman sounds even sicker than yesterday. #PrayForSherman

[@Beast-mo9bu]

What you are doing when getting multiple ELINT pod “looks” at your threat radar is getting multiple “cuts” or “lines of bearing” (LOBs). Same terms for sigint collection related to emissions or voice intercept.

[@lordsqueak]

@11:00 ish , oh my .. sounds like a friggin' McDonalds in that cockpit. For the Love of god! Someone take the fries out of the oil!!!

[@DJScaleModels]

lol I have also thought that same thought many times... so many "late" orders!

[@mdeerocks6792]

Combat Flite (a flight planning tool) supports Viggen ELINT data.

[@somebloke8114]

Second, mum will be so proud!

[@ghostviggen]

One interesting thing about the pods is that when they turned them on in real life, the grass went brown.

[@DJScaleModels]

Not sure whether you're joking or not! :D

[@Badjoe117]

Pretty much haha. Though wasn't it the U22 that had Freon for cooling? The U22A has a more green cooling system if I remember right.

[@therealdebater]

On an RAF base (long story) I was just about to walk in front of a (strangely located) radar dish whose diameter was greater than my height, and I was advised not to. Apparently, I would have been fried :-)

[@AdurianJ]

The Viggen is a mix of old and new. You have to remember that the AJS-37 Viggen entered service in 1991 and the JAS 39A Gripen entered service in 1993. So when it comes to a lot of questions about "well why didn't they put that in" it's because they had a 4th+ Gen swing role aircraft coming off the production line at the same time. The AJS version only came into existence because the Gripen was delayed and the BK90 and RBS15F where being delivered but there where no aircraft to carry them. At this time Sweden also had dedicated jammer aircraft in the form of the J32E Lansen (dont' make to much of the J the four Aden's had been removed in the conversion to ECM) they carried a shitload of jammers.

[@hermandahlgrense]

Delivery of the Aj 37 viggen to the swedish Air force began in 1971

[@TheSwedenWolf]

@@hermandahlgrense True, but the version we have in DCS is the AJS not AJ. The AJS is a modified AJ and it was put into service in 1991.

[@WyleopsHJ]

It's so crazy how cryptic the Viggen is. There's a switch or dial for every obsqure setting you could possibly want. Almost the same era of development, two completley differnent ways of deploying the jet, and it's weapons. I love this Viggen, but my god. That's a huge workload for a real pilot. Whos ready for the F/A-18C and its oh-so-simple MFDs???

[@AdurianJ]

Just be glad it's not written with runes :)

[@33vortex]

That's very true until you understand the systems, then it's actually very simple to operate the Viggen.

[@ghostviggen]

Actually the CK37 takes workloads of the pilot. Before Viggen strike fighters needed a two man crew. With the help of the autopilot its very easy for the pilot to twist the knobs during the flight. One knob for nav/attack, one for weapons and one for the settings of the weapon.

[@flexelsson1625]

Ghost Viggen the only twin seat viggens were trainers, not attack viggens. Unless you are referring to Lansen, i dont know much about that particular aircraft. Source: dad was a Viggen pilot for 15 years

[@ghostviggen]

I wrote "before Viggen".

[@PaletoB]

Dropping tanks in a city, dam intenational crisis

[@ikonane]

Nice flying!

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

A Tacview of that would be quite interesting... :) Good flyin', keep it up ^^

[@soleenzo893]

I think it would basically look like SAM missiles flying formation behind viggens, before dropping to the ground lol

[@prichardgs]

That was awsome!

[@peterstorm_gaming]

So no link for the chart? :D

[@flighttherapybullisticfpv133]

The Su-25T is a very rare variant of the Su-25 that was upgraded for demo purposes. Only 2 or 3 were actually produced. However, apparently the Russians had a similar program to the americans A-10 update program and the Su-25M that resulted is apparently quite similar to the Su-25T variant... I am far from an aircraft historian so I may have some of that wrong but thats what I remember

[@AdurianJ]

The gunpods work exactly like the rockets in air to ground mote but they also have an air to air mode on the weapons selector.

[@Chrinik]

The SU-25T did exist in very limited number as a prototype and did serve with the russian airforce in Chechnya...it was stuffed full of electronics. But the mainstay is still to this day the standard SU-25...

[@iansimmonds9076]

Nice!! Where can you get hold of the program your friend uses to display the location of the SAM's you've managed to Elint?

[@SBX-1]

Nice ride!!!

[@AdurianJ]

There is an error in the video the KB dispenser modes (A-1-2-3-4) only affect the chaff not the flares and this setting is then activated when the release switch is set to KONT or INT. The release switch is not the same as the "Fast countermeasure dispense" as it always uses Mode 2 and also releases flares.

[@richardwales9674]

Question: Can you combine data from multiple Viggens and their ELINTs to narrow the area down in one document, or do you create three separate ones and narrow it down from there?

[@grimreapers]

we can try

[@richardwales9674]

Grim Reapers Just curious because if you could combine and triangulate the data from multiple aircraft on different routes you could minimize the exposure of each individual aircraft. In theory.

[@wobbleyheadedbob]

Sounds like someone should create a mod. Cos that's exactly what I'd expect the intel folks on the ground to do with the data.

[@AdurianJ]

IT HAS TO BE THE "U22/A" version of the pod !!!!

[@SKFthree]

Are your rudders stuck permanently to the left? You're always rolled to the right when you're flying in formation like that.

[@grimreapers]

I think it must be a bug? Only I get it....

[@gordslater]

might be worth a check to ensure an unused joystick axis isn't calibrated off to one side or something wierd in your Viggen rudder settings Cap

[@33vortex]

You're sitting very low in the cockpit is that intentional? It places HUD symbology outside your view at times.

[@izehacker6038]

33vortex and too much to the right, but i shouldnt be picky about that stuff. But you have a good point about the hud tho

[@xXMaverick56Xx]

Hey there; just a quick suggestion for your videos mate, you should try to keep the camera a bit more stable on one direction when you are speaking or explaining stuff. That’s just my point of view, see if it’s worth of applying it. Cheers!

[@Gneckes]

Can we get that emitter classification sheet? Pretty please?

[@grimreapers]

yes plz

[@Loraxpilot]

Was that program to map the pod data available anywhere?

[@grimreapers]

Sorry but it was just too long ago, the data seems to be lost.

[@piston_77]

amazing video gentlemen! one quick question: doesnt the pod have a very high sensitivity to sense bearing from an emitter? that way you'd only need two samples and where the lines cross with eachother then you have the precise location?

[@king_cobra7463]

Where is this ELINT program?!?! ;)

[@Seth90]

Should have radar-locked Blood during your low level flight just to screw with him :D

[@Zadren]

Great vid, thanks. Looking forward to trying this. Is the tool that Blood used for plotting available someplace please?

[@soleenzo893]

If only Viggens had HARMS, they would become the ultimate Wild Weasel tool

[@IanG0OSY]

Did you do a S.E.A.D. mission to follow up on this one?

[@ChristianKrogMadsen]

If you want to practice identifying radar emitters from the RWR beeps, have a look at viggentools.se

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@optony9606]

27:55 was that a hit on the ground? Viggen was the cause of the USSR running out of $$

[@djmustang000]

Can we get a guide how to use the ELINT Data like the picture at the end? Pretty please :3

[@grimreapers]

rgr

[@DJScaleModels]

This Viggen pilot would be thankful as well :)

[@pan2990]

I want to see the plots! Had to wait 20 mins

[@Motorman2112]

mmm F-111 would be awesome fun.

[@kimchapman9198]

The SU-25T and SU-25TM both exist

[@Davros-vi4qg]

F111 bombload, 14 tonnes or so. What you need for this mission is an EF 111 Raven, techno, techno, techno... I think that the EF111 was the only ECM C/W platform that had both standoff and penetration role. Oddly until very late in its service late it had no offensive weaponry though.

[@Davros-vi4qg]

EW support for USA now from EA6 B. F35 series also rumoured to be rather good at this ELINT gathering.

[@cleebster]

Does anyone happen to know where I can download this campaign? Would really appreciate a link.

[@lasselahti4056]

There is only few su-25t´s ever built according to wikipedia. It is pretty much prototype of georgian factory, but I really cant get my head around how that has been (so much criss cross info). Factory in georgia or something like that, built few prototypes of 25-t´s. Actually the number of su-25 variants is pretty silly even. Su-25t should really be called Scorpion, not frogfoot. said my friend. Is it true?

[@lasselahti4056]

So dont really know why and how that has been chosen to dcs. Maby just normal Russian "we have wpns this an that if we just build em!" mambojambo after cold war? :) No offence to su-25t or to dcs, it s GREAT plane for training and first plane in dcs, as it covers pretty much every corner of ag stuff, and makes you practice with systems that are in other / later played planes also and helos, in form or another :) I flew about 500hours with su-25t before buying my first module. Now trialing viggen for second time, and got even campaing played. YARR!

[@am17frans]

Is cap starting to get comfortable with low-level flying like that yet?

[@grimreapers]

just

[@klofisch]

is this tutorial still up to date?

[@grimreapers]

I think so but let me know if you think anything has changed. Hard to keep up.

[@ghostviggen]

First. HAHAHAHA

[@russkydeutsch]

Your formation flying is terrible. Your wings should be on the same plane as the lead's. You're too far back as well. You also need to adjust your roll trim. You were constantly holding a right bank just to stay in position.

[@grimreapers]

roger