AK-63F: Hungary's Last Military Kalashnikov

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In 1978, as AMD-65 rifles in service were starting to get worn out, FÉG launched a program to refurbish the old original AKM-63 rifles with new wood furniture for new military service. Conversions began in 1980, and when the supply of old rifles ran out, the factory began making new ones to the same basic pattern. However, production was slow, and by 1982 only about 50,000 had been produced (about 35,500 for Hungarian use and another 14,500 for export). At that point, complaints had built up about the length of the rifles, as people were used to works with the quite compact AMD-65.
The solution was to introduce the AK-63D, a model of the rifle with the same 16" barrel but with a Soviet-style underfolding stock instead of the fixed wooden stock. These replaced the AK-63F in production until 2002, when the fixed-stocks guns went back into production using leftover parts. This production appears to have continued until 2016, with Hungary selling the rifles to states in the Middle East. The exact details are still classified by the Hungarian government, but a 2018 Conflict Armament Research report identified 166 AK-63Fs captured from Isis. Some of these late-production guns have come into the United States as parts kits, including this one (which I purchased from Atlantic Firearms).
The Hungarian military decided to adopt the Czech Bren 2 rifle in 2011, bringing its use of Kalashnikovs to an end. The AK-63F rifles still in service today are expected to be all replaced by 2030.
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[@karlvongazenberg8398]

10:28 Also, after 2003 the "then" Hungarian Govt. - now in opposition parties - gave to the rebuilt Iraqi army a lost of the former Wars Pact equipment....

[@bachiryammine8033]

this seems to be an iraqi issued ak cause there are arabic numbers on the wooden stock and that is what they do in the iraqi army and the number is 42

[@hoilst265]

THE LAST OF THE GOULASHNIKOVS.

[@cerealpeer]

hey wheres my ratatouille

[@rodrigodepierola]

​@@cerealpeer the Chauchat was a ratatatatatatatouille.

[@cerealpeer]

@@rodrigodepierola b b b b bobby bouché

[@cerealpeer]

food? is the devil!

[@folti78]

@@cerealpeer Ratatouille is French, Hungary and nearby have "lecsó", which is stewed paprika and tomatoes on onions, with whatever other ingredients the exact recipe variant calls for.

[@Cuccos19]

The F in the AK-63F should stand for "fatusás" which is synonym to for "wooden stock" ("fa" means tree, wood, wooden depending on the context and "tusa" means stock - "tusás" is like having a stock or something with a stock).

[@SkinkUA]

Holy shit, AK-63 "FATASS"

[@matevecsei5774]

The D in AK63D is for "deszant" which is a synonym for Paratrooper.

[@Drownedinblood]

Translated from descent?

[@tyaty]

@@Drownedinblood Loanword based on the French 'descente'.

[@folti78]

@@Drownedinblood Russian loandword desant from the French descendre, meaning "to disembark". Russians and most former commie block use it for anything from from paratroopers (air desant, or in Hungarian légideszant, if not called ejtőernyős, which is literally paratrooper), to the disembarking troops in case of amphibious warfare, or the WW2 classic of infantry riding on tanks, which later evolved onto infantry riding on their APCs/IFVs for various reasons: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_desant For the latter case I still found them referred as desant by Slavic people, for example in the current Russian-Ukrainian war.

[@SA_Rocket]

deez what?

[@sergecashman4822]

That's what I assumed too (десант). But kind of weird for Hungarians because they are not Slavic. "Desantnik" is a paratrooper in Russian and probably U. From the french/latin root and prefix like descent ("moving down"). Underfolders were called that back in the soviet union, at leas unofficially. However I think the real paratroopers carried regular sized AKs. The amount of this stuff all over the middle east is staggering. I had an impression there was a real shortage of assault rifles around the time of the Syrian civil war (prices were insane), but now it looks like the market is saturated. West Bank and Gaza have so many rifles it would put a real army to shame (and it does, Israel is scrambling for new rifles). A lot of it seems to originally come from Hungary. Hungary was always kind of a capitalist country in a communist block... :)

[@howitworks3607]

“They hated their AK so they made an AK. Then they hated that AK so they made an AK. Then they hated that AK so they made an AK. Then they hated that AK so they made an AK…” and so on 😂

[@Jorvaskrr]

The definition of insanity.

[@SnoopReddogg]

To be fair, the options were somewhat limited

[@bku1961]

82'-83' Határőrség. Kiváló fegyver volt.

[@anfrac3700]

Did the border guard use it in conjunction with AMD-63 assault rifle? Did they prefer it?

[@bobibobi896]

​@@anfrac3700only ak63

[@jarlbalgruufthegreater1758]

Segg vakarásra jó volt

[@christopherhazell420]

​@anfrac3700 you meant AMD-65?

[@bku1961]

@@christopherhazell420 Nem. Az AMD-65 az rövid csövű, kihajtható váll támasszal fekete műanyag markolatokkal gyártották. Az AKM -63 az hosszabb csővel és "kék" színű műanyag markolattal és tusával, és ezt csak a Munkásőrségnél rendszeresítették.

[@zsoltberces3378]

There is 2 minor error. 1) D stands for "deszant", not for folding stock. "Deszant" means desant or amphibious, usually an air-mobile troops. Yes, these air-mobile troops prefers to use a shorter gun with folding stock. 2) The Hungarian military decided to adopt the Czech Bren 2 rifle in 2018, not in 2011. The original Czech CZ 805 BREN was developed in 2011. Beginning in 2011 the Czech Army began replacing its former service rifle vz. 58 with CZ 805 BREN. But Chech soldiers serving in Afghanistan found some problems with it, mainly ergonomical problems. So, in October 2015, CZUB (Česká zbrojovka Uherský Brod) announced that it had introduced an improved, lighter variant of its CZ 805 BREN rifle called CZ BREN 2. It has a reduction in weight of 0.5 kg, plus incorporates a number of amendments requested by the soldiers in the field, including a re-designed cocking mechanism, a simpler cleaning routine and a new lightweight folding and adjustable foot. This upgraded variant of CZ BREN 2 was adopted in Hungary in late 2018, and licence produced at a newly built factory HM Arzenal.

[@danh5397]

Every Hungarian AK that I've ever seen was always quality I've never seen one that came from the FEG Factory that had problems

[@kaz5707]

I have a 63d and it has the milled 47 style chunky firing pin too, Really nice rifles. love how ak production from country to country diverge in slight details

[@balazstorok9265]

AK63D, border patrol, Sopron, Szombathely, Kőszeg, Hétforrás, Felsőcsatár, Zsira. Thank you for the nostalgia.

[@unlockaut8547]

Greetings from Narda!🙂

[@merce5434]

@@unlockaut8547 bro you don’t mean to tell me there is another forgotten weapons fan in our tiny little village, sporting the same drip i do (flecktarn and a shemagh) lmao

[@unlockaut8547]

@@merce5434 well i don't live there anymore but if you are around 20-30 years old, we might inow each other 😁

[@merce5434]

@@unlockaut8547 22 here, there’s a chance, my name is Márkó (idk why i wrote it english xd)

[@Moondog66602]

The stories of where aks go and how they get there is always fascinating

[@thekraken1173]

AK50 collab video when?

[@johnsmith-jq1uc]

kalashnibren

[@sir0herrbatka]

@@johnsmith-jq1uc Kalashnibren was not a bad idea. RPKs are rather awkward with those long mags and you are likely to be firing prone anyway.

[@brianking9446]

Can't say they don't exist!

[@robgoodsight6216]

😂😂😂 everyone is asking this question in their head...

[@ElTejon47901]

We pray never.

[@user-tv4lz5ie5u]

Forgotten Weapons going about AK variants for actual connoiseurs. The weekend is looking up.

[@evantemple4341]

I’m starting to believe Ian puts weapons in his lap so he doesn’t get too excited talking and jump up and move off camera 😂

[@user-kr7yh8vw9m]

Ian, i want to be honest with you: watching your videos about the history of firearms is always a treat. The history of these foreign AKs really intrigues me like the AK-63F you've shown to us.

[@JJW3]

My AK-63F started as one of those same Atlantic kits. I was excited to see when it arrived that it had nice clear Arabic markings on the stock and handguards, was all matching, and looked basically new/unfired except for a few handling marks on the wood. I built it on a Childers Hungarian marked receiver and used a FB Radom CHF barrel. The rifle was in the GC5xxx production block.

[@justin4323]

I'm definitely still going to watch this even though I just got to work. Loving the AK content.

[@bobhill3941]

I watch Forgotten Weapons while I'm waiting to punch in and on my lunch break.

[@zo657]

i have one of these iam from iraq Great rifle

[@gabornagy1942]

I remember some video about Iraqs invasion. G.I.-s show a small garage or shipping containers full of wooden boxes written 9x19 parabellum and the F.É.G. logo on it.

[@samcruickshanks6856]

With the amount of time this rifle has been around in one form or another, and considering the numerous Country's across the whole world who produce their own versions at home, it's of little surprise to me that stacks of books have been written on the subject. What does surprise me though is the sheer determination of Ian to absorb as much of this information as possible and then present it and the knowledge of many other types of firearms Too, in the most utterly engaging and pleasant mannered way in which he has consistently done for us all for years and years now. On the behalf of myself and many other people too (I am quite confident in assuming) Ian I wish to say thank you! I doth my hat to you good sir.

[@newdefsys]

That AK has been exported more than a Mark-1 Plumbing truck

[@danielknepper6884]

Kalashnikov was just a genius on this weapon

[@wills2140]

Yes he was. The most ubiquitous firearm(s) of our times, brutal in it's simplicity and reliability", the Avtomatski Kalašnikov rifle! 😊

[@user-WilliamEHarrisjr]

Ordering the book

[@Drownedinblood]

I swear there was some giant wave of either nostaliga or memory loss across the eastern bloc in the military going backwards. Like they reintroduced great coats into the military as combat uniform even though ww2 proved padded jackets and pants were better cold weather gear.

[@1nfamy124]

6:47 theres not really much impact no but the idea is that if the holes are *behind* the piston then debris can get in, add resistance to the cycle and spit that debris into the receiver. If the holes are on the gas block itself, then the debris wont do this.

[@BunyipDude]

These started showing up in the hands of Iraqi forces during the Iran-Iraq War pretty quickly after they were first produced in 1980. They have been very common in the Middle East ever since. Not sure how many Saddam bought, but there have long been rumors that more AK-63Fs were exported to Iraq than the Hungarian Defence Forces themselves ever had in inventory. (Not sure about AK-63Ds, though - those don't seem to show up in the region nearly as often.)

[@cinema_42]

These were definitely exported prior to 2002, as suggested in the video. I suspect the Hungarian government isn't too interested in letting everyone know how many and which serial numbers they exported to Saddam, considering how many ended up in the hands of ISIS and other terrorist groups. Some US forces encountered AK-63F's during Desert Storm back in 1990-1991.

[@causewaykayak]

​ America sure opened a Pandora's Box when they destroyed the stable Saddam dictatorship.

[@leonardwei3914]

@@causewaykayak I would call Saddam dictatorship many things, but stable isn't one of them.

[@causewaykayak]

@@leonardwei3914 Why not. It was as stable as any leadership based on an attempt at cult of personality. Are you trying to suggest that American interference was beneficial (Shrieks of Laughter!). I suppose you will say that the leadership of North Korea is unstable too despite it being in power unchallenged since the War. Saddam like Gaddafi was a force for stability, for trade until the west started to dictate and destabilise. No benefit came from the inexcusable war and destabilisation efforts of the US and its puppy NATO.

[@illidur]

@@causewaykayak Being ruled by one of these dictators would suck ass. Who cares how stable they are when its actually a good thing if they aren't stable?

[@adamregiel8044]

So we finished Hungarian AKs, but you still dont have videos of some FEG pistols. I think its intresting to see thier interpretation of Makarov, Hi-Power and Tokarev. And Im not Hungarian Im Polish.

[@gergoantal1066]

+1 on this. They're really interesting. PA63, P9 variants, or even the rare R78 used by police detectives.

[@petesheppard1709]

YES! FEG pistols were quite common in the '90s, with really interesting variations on popular patterns.

[@adamregiel8044]

@@petesheppard1709 Ian also finished Romanian line of sidearms, so Hungary seems obvious. I of course waiting for my Polish P-64 (Modified PPK), then P-83 Wanad (Update of P-64, lately Ian made video on suppresed one), then we have quite strange WIST-94 and modern competator called MAG. And finally our standard VIS-100. Altrough It is modern FB now making totally new striker-fire MSP.

[@donwyoming1936]

My tiny Hungarian SMC-380 Makarov is so cute. Back in the mid 90s, Feg Hi-Powers & Maks flew out of my gun shop. Were extremely popular

[@laszlofridli4848]

PA63 is a real piece of crap, while the FEG licensed Hi-Powers, both the direct-copy p9m and the sport version fp9 are quite good, and the hi-power/s&w bastard p9r and its subversions are also crap. You can guess, which ones are standardised for both the army and the police? Yes, pa63 and later it was changed to the even worse p9r, while the p9m is less liked locally than suzuki swift owners and child molesters.

[@AjackLee4]

These Hungarians are just so nice looking!

[@kentr2424]

Ian, I wonder if the reason the Hungarians had the vent holes on the gas tube for recoil mitigation? With the extra holes, the gas piston shouldn't go back quite as fast, which should reduce recoil somewhat and make extraction a little less "violent", no?

[@1boortzfan]

I've never been a fan of AKs but it is nice to see someone putting together a resource book on them.

[@evilresidence4]

I had an AK63DS (underfolder). The magwell and overall quality of the gun was way better than the WASR I had.

[@adam3651]

One thing you forgot to mention is the Hungarian ak uses a slightly different shaped lower handguard retainer on upper interior edge rounds downwards making regular akm lower handguards not compatible without fitting

[@Almost_Made_It]

Learned that when I tried to make mine look polish

[@Grobut81]

Some parts also lack the lightning cuts typical of AKM's, see for instance the front and back of the front sight tower, the rear of the bolt carrier, and the top-cover release button.

[@adam3651]

@@Grobut81 yup earlier akm features

[@foldvarimarton]

I always thought that the AK-63F predates the AK-63D and the AMD-65, thanks Ian! I saw cadets training with the wooden stock version in 2002 and I thought they got the surplus gear. Veterans told me that it was quite challenging to jump over obstacles while it's strapped to your back because it kept hitting the back of your head.

[@DevinMoorhead]

Learning to read because of the headstamp plugs gang

[@tomconneely1361]

Cheers for the nod to Conflict Armaments Research. That looks like it will be very useful going forward.

[@R1N23]

We need an official review and approval from our Gun Jesus of the AK Jesus' majestic work the holy AK-50

[@ES90344]

We have to wait until it's forgotten in a year or two.

[@BerndFelsche]

Mechanism sounds well maintained and solid.

[@The_Casual_Collector]

Very cool, I, like others, got one of these as a kit from Atlantic Firearms a couple of years ago, eventually I hope to get it built. Thanks for sharing. Good stuff as always.

[@peterwright217]

top show Ian.

[@eugeniaamariei8626]

I didn't know there are some former Eastern Bloc countries still using AKs.

[@polskagurom12345]

poland is still using wz 96 beryls which basically are 5.56 ak's. slowly getting replaced by new 5.56 grots

[@DawidKov]

Institutional momentum is a hard thing to beat, especially when you don't have the funds to overhaul your entire armament production (or have other uses for excess funds). It's the same reason Finland kept using Mosins up until the end of the 20th century, despite there being better alternatives - there were just so many leftover guns and parts that it was cheaper to keep them in service and tinker with them, rather than fully rearming from scratch.

[@alexs5792]

Many still do

[@kulcsarandras5406]

The Hungarian Defence Forces have started rearming with the CZ Bren 2.

[@folti78]

@@kulcsarandras5406 well, they started the program, but we'll have to see how long it'll last before it's scrapped due to lack of funds ...

[@user-jg8do3rp6c]

Everything perfect in the world has beauty

[@prohuntersa4999]

Got one, original, barely scratched, full auto & all, kicks like a mule for some reason!! Never shot an Ak that kicks like that.. Added a buffer, softened it a bit, changed the stocks grips, sighs.. Etc.. Etc.. Dolls up real nice, mostly original American after market parts Long live the US of A 🤘

[@tihlsteinig2465]

I have beck in my days 63 D. Excellent gun. (Hungarian Army)

[@raznaak]

Seriously, the AK platform has a certain kind of elegance. It's simple. It's sturdy. It shoots reasonably well. It's quite reliable. It's easy to manufacture. It's easy to maintain. Sure, many other guns will be better in many aspects. Sure, it has its problems. But no wonder the sheer number of various AKs made, and still used, it's just a good gun.

[@tesztelek8157]

Good weapon, we have some modernised and refurbished, wonder if any of them made it out of the country

[@Rake3577]

Fired one of these before, decent rifle and felt lighter than a standard Russian AKM

[@roughseas3455]

Please do the P-64 next

[@foldvarimarton]

Followed by PA-63

[@krisss937]

Ian I really hope so that you will also make a video of the modernized version the AK-63MF

[@trooperdgb9722]

Just love the way he goes "Presto" and lifts some OTHER interesting gun from his lap! (OK>>he doesn't say "Presto"..but he should!)

[@thobetiin8266]

Supposedly the extra gas wents are there in case of overpressure due to a projectile stuck in the barrell or a suppressor. Also to let more gas went that way, before the bolt opens and you get gas on your arm

[@jamesallred460]

Yo, early team, mount up!

[@wills2140]

Last time I was this early, Hungary was "ruled" by an Admiral that had been commander - in - chief for a "Navy" that no longer existed lost it's homeport and access to the Adriatic, was "Regent" for a "King" in permanent exile and would never rule Hungary, was leader of a "National Army" that was not the official Army of Hungary, and led a country that would eventually join with Hitler and be a member of the Axis powers... Last time I was this early, "Admiral" Miklós Horthy de Nagybánya was "Regent" of the Kingdom of Hungary.

[@kulcsarandras5406]

​​@@wills2140 In WWII, Hungary had finally declared war on the USA. An envoy is sent to the US embassy, where they handed over the formal declaration, after which the following conversation took place: - What is your form of government? -Kingdom. -Who's your king? - We don't have a king, but a regent. - Okay, then who's the regent? - Admiral Miklós Horthy. - Admiral? So do you have access to the ocean? - No. - Okay. Do you have any territorial claims against the USA? - No, we do not. - Do you have territorial claims against other countries? - Yes, against Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Romania... - And are you waging war against them as well? - No, they are our allies.

[@av8bvma513]

Ian: "Here's one I bought earlier!"

[@imtk7618]

Ah yes, just in time for my dinner so I can both eat and learn more firearm history!

[@borismedovar9968]

Nothing exceeds the original wooden stock AKs. Like M16A1 - an elegant weapon for a more civilized age.

[@jrb8955]

Ian, please make a review of ak50 v3

[@augurseer]

Cool

[@kawaiiarchive357]

Hungarian AKs seem to have had an identity crisis lol.

[@jacobeii]

Hi Ian

[@Godaronful]

10:15 Hungary has a lot of accidental ties to ISIS like that. For example the people who committed the paris attacks were found with a crap ton of hungarian SIM cards and burner phones, because apparently they socked up on them in budapest from local criminal groups

[@hgerkicsig]

There was a change in legislation because of this, now you have to identify yourself online every year to keep your sim card active.

[@laszlofridli4848]

Don't forget that small firm, led by a pair of russians, which nearly sold rocket launchers and light machine guns to mexican drug cartels.

[@diebaronofg0nzo470]

Hungarian T-72s (gifted to Iraq after Saddam) ended up in the hands of ISIS.

[@polskagurom12345]

make a video about brand new ak-50 .bmg

[@kc751R]

Is the Popenker AK book collab still on the table or ist ot shelved?

[@MooseBme]

!(: COOL, THANKS AGAIN SIR ;)!

[@bronsonperich9430]

AMD-65 rolls over when Gun Jesus talks about it. This AK does a hand stand on its banana clip 😂

[@robertad8433]

I would love to know where these kits came from, what part of the middle east… the rack numbers on the stock are unusual in style… when i emailed Atlantic asking about their origin i was told we cannot disclose our sources 😢

[@ForgottenWeapons]

My guess would be Lebanon.

[@greebfewatani]

It common for armed and security forces in the region to put numbering as you see and usually seen it this way over the rifles on guarding duty. Most likely it is in the armory of the unit on battalion level or so. What is written is just a number 240 in this case

[@robertad8433]

@@greebfewatani i’m lebanese i can read 😂… i also served in the lebanese army and it is uncommon to see rack numbers like that except in boot camp if i remember correctly, scribbles on service guns was a big no no no armorer would dare do this for inventory purposes or otherwise, at least where i come from

[@robertad8433]

@@greebfewatani do you think these are iraqi ?

[@greebfewatani]

@@robertad8433 ما عندي معرفة، بالاردن بتكون هذي الترقيمات ظاهرة بوظائف الحراسة على ابواب السفارات و كذلك مصر. عالاغلب السلاح عراقي او سوري الاصل وفقد من مخازن الجيش لسبب مرتبط بطبيعة الصراع بالمنطقة

[@markmarot9026]

Im not 100%, but I believe the "D" in the ak63d , stands for "desszant", just like in the AMD. Its logic, folding stock for paratroopers, mechanized infantry, tankers.

[@b.domonkos8694]

Is the book available in the Hungary version?

[@aliforgame4476]

We had alot of these in iraq

[@BunyipDude]

I know an OIF veteran who spent major $$$$ on a pre-89 Kassnar-imported SA-85M just because he wanted a clone of the rifles that he frequently saw over there. (Bear in mind that this was many years before Century Arms and other companies started importing AK-63 parts kits to build clones on American-made receivers.)

[@thejackal5099]

Why go from plastic to wood? Plastic is cheaper, lighter, and doesn't swell with humidity.

[@skinwalkerhiddenvalleyranch]

Hungarian cold War plastics were not military grade , they had to buy food grade plastics from either the u.s or the soviet union due to embargos so the blue and Grey polymer stocks had to be molded solid so they wouldn't crack thereby making them heavier too

[@4EPB]

Goulashnikov.

[@66kbm]

So as a newbie, there are as many AK47 variants out there as there are FAL's?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

There are more AK variants.

[@georgesheffield1580]

Many more than FAL'S and almost as many variations as there are AR's

[@JohnCBobcat]

You're just really making it hard to resist getting in on get another Headstamp Kickstarter campaign. Not that I'm resisting very hard, but still...

[@mullerandy]

@ 4:50 "D" is actually stands for "Deszant." That means "armed assault" in English. The "D" variant was mainly used by paratroopers and tankers (some units used the AMD63) because of its smaller size, while the regular AK63 was used by the border-guards, military schools, regular army and conscript troops (so basically everybody else..... AMD's where still used until 2009 by the police. *ALSO:* Fun fact, in the back of the stock there is a little hole that is covered with a small piece of metal. It is used to hold the cleaning tools. .

[@MrAkurvaeletbe]

It means landing not armed assault….

[@kombokil]

Looks like a good rifle, well it is AK so it is a good rifle.

[@BEWARESTUPID]

First got to hold an AK in 1989, during my time in the SADF during Border Duties. I had seen a lot obviously on the news etc, but it was not until I served that I got to see them in numbers. I was surprised at the time how similar our R5's (I was in armour - we were issued R5's) were to the AK. I was not aware that the Galil / Littleton R4/R5 was based on the AK at the time. I have the SAIGA MK03 5.56 AK 102 now which I managed to purchase for lot less than we pay for the R4's/R5's Another informative and detailed vid, keep them coming.

[@BatCaveOz]

And by "suffix" we actually mean "prefix".

[@Matt-md5yt]

Sweet a Hungrian AK being covered

[@tbone5040]

How did Amd 65's get worn out? I dont see where they would have been used much except for practice.

[@BunyipDude]

The front grips on those guns (and the AKM-63s before them) are really fragile and poorly mounted. And once they break, you have to hold the gun by the heat shield, which is of course impractical (gets hot). Hungary really should have just gone with the AK-63 design from the beginning, and it’s not like they couldn’t have produced the same gun in 1963 that they eventually wound up producing starting in 1979. It’s really ironic that the first AK-63Fs were just re-manufactured AKM-63s with new handguards.

[@JamesHammond-ku2nc]

Hello

[@AKhan002]

I was a little disappointed with this particular presentation, as it lacked a lot of specific Hungarian AK info (which Ian is notoriously famous for). Hungarians are different from other AKM variants in that they are much more like milled 47's than typical AKM variants and that's what makes them so unique / special. For example, Hungarians use full mass bolt carriers like 47's, along with round firing pins, vented gas tubes and more milled parts (both early oval and later rectangular FSB's and gas blocks) than any other variant - even in very late production. Finally, Hungarians use a very specific handguard retainer (designed for the original metal AKM 63 handguard / front pistol grip mount) which requires modification to other AKM style handguards to fit. Usually Ian points out subtle nuisances like this on the weapons he reviews.

[@beretta1301tac]

Based

[@BunyipDude]

I was a little surprised that Ian also didn’t talk more about their use in Middle East conflicts, but maybe the book goes into more detail. I’m also pretty sure that he got some of the dates wrong. I remember that FEG’s own web site used to say that these were first produced in 1978, not 1980. (By 1980, the AK-63F had already been exported to Iraq and was appearing in the hands of Iraqi forces in the Iran-Iraq War.)

[@beretta1301tac]

@@BunyipDude Good points, I agree!

[@heinerlange443]

Got this one and the underfolder ak63d off Atlantic firearms. Perfect pair.

[@HarryMollyNut]

Anyone wanna guess how many bodies that Syrian gun has on it ??

[@cheguevara3392]

Ian You have to tell the people the pre "Soviet Union collapse and the changes afterwards"!

[@birschapple]

I am tök nem hungarian who is here because Gun Jesus is talking about magyar fegyverekről. And I definitely did not order azt a könyvet.

[@worldbiggestfan1]

Bro more aks how many aks are there

[@mybrad7812]

Hey Ian, call you do a AK50 review with Brandon?

[@kiwiboy538]

Still wondering what caliber 5.56,7.62×39,7.62×54?

[@polskagurom12345]

762x39

[@g54b95]

Look at the rifle. And the magazine. Look really familiar? Hmm.

[@0Defensor0]

So... you have a book about Hungarian guns, written by a Hungarian guy. Is it available in Hungarian too?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

No, only English.

[@juanmanuelperezlago5030]

Ah yes! The Ceeblaster

[@stefanmolnapor910]

❤️🇭🇺❤️🇭🇺❤️🇭🇺

[@slick3129]

So the Iraqi rifles were "never fired and only dropped once"?

[@nekoangie7374]

Why not use the same stock mechanism as the amd 65 but with a wood stock shorten the barrel to the amd and done same wood furniture everything just side folding wood stock and front end

[@BunyipDude]

Not sure if it was a factor in the Hungarian Defence Forces’ decision, but personally, I think the AMD-65 stock sucks and is really uncomfortable to fire shouldered. I don’t love AK underfolders, either (like the AK-63D has), but they’re way better than the AMD-65 stock.

[@nekoangie7374]

I meant use a wood stock but same way of folding

[@nekoangie7374]

But i do agree the stock on a amd sucks i was think side folding wood stocks

[@jocal9125]

Hey Ian I'd love to hear what you think about Brandon's AK-50

[@proffingers]

the WHAT factory? I get mine homemade.

[@marianpe5773]

'KZbinrs rifle: AK-50 'Mother Lover' 50cal when?😅

[@SteinerArts]

Wasn't this type of AK also used as a prop in Rambo II?

[@BunyipDude]

No, “Rambo II” was done with Egyptian Maadi ARM rifles from the Stembridge Gun Rentals arsenal, which were the same guns that Stembridge originally bought for “Red Dawn.” The SA-85M, the version imported to the U.S., didn’t start being imported until shortly after the movie’s production.

[@christopherhazell420]

As for the appearance of the AMD-65 in Rambo III, this portion was flimed in Israel, so this was a captured weapon from Lebanon.

[@BunyipDude]

@@christopherhazell420 Oh, yeah, I wonder if that’s what this guy was asking about? And yeah, the Israeli government captured a lot of AMD-65s from PLO and Syrian forces in Lebanon, which ended up being given to the movie industry in Israel. Those are the guns which appeared in “Rambo III” and “Red Scorpion” (among other productions).

[@christopherhazell420]

SteinerArts, Rambo II was flimed in Thailand, so plenty of AK's were available for use. *Not sure if some weapons (such as the AKM, you refer too) were shipped in from the states for the production.

[@BunyipDude]

@@christopherhazell420 Actually, "Rambo II" was filmed in Mexico. The guns were supplied by Stembridge Gun Rentals (including the Maadi AKs that I mentioned in my previous comment) and temporarily exported to Mexico for filming.

[@larrymarsico4059]

🙌💪☝️🤙

[@Moeflyer6213]

Then what rifle is the Hungarian Army using today?

[@DarkSideKyp]

Bren 2

[@dman23827]

Czech Bren 2

[@willyvereb]

AK-63D, mostly. For the record AK-63F just means it has a wooden stock instead of having a "paratrooper" folding stock (D is for "desszant" which is a loanword associated with paratroopers). The actual name of the post 1980s AK-63s is AMM (Automata Modernizált Magyarosított AKA Automatic Modernized Hungarized). 7,700 AMMs were upgraded by FÉG as the AK-63MF. The process was notoriously expensive and FÉG went bankrup (although mostly for other reasons). I don't know about the quantity of CZ Bren 2 models but most likely the Hungarian Defense Force has at least a few thousand of them. Potentially way more but I'm cautious since in 2018 CZ estimated they are going to produce 14,000 rifles by 2023 (which is the closest to a hard number I found by a quick search). In conclusio the Hungarian Defense Force has a mix of: - old AK-63D and AK-63F rifles - modernized yet old AK-63MF rifles - CZ Bren 2 rifles - bunch of AMD-65s still in stock In total the Hungarian Defense Force has 38,000 people so I doubt there are enough CZ Bren 2 rifles for everyone at the moment.

[@wills2140]

Just have to say : that is a very complete and well communicated answer, with good detailed information!

[@shotya9403]

Also there are plans on making hungarian weapons series, they are still in testing phases. G224 LMG - high priority as of now as the hungarian special forces only have the 249 for support fire role. G9SMG G9HSP G40GL G224AR The main focus of this series is to develop something in house 100% Hungarian design Hungarian production lines

[@veselinjokanovic3032]

That gun probably has taken a soul or two 💀

[@sergiualex8832]

"Modern wood furniture" ,what s modern abt wood ? =))))))

[@jblee8298]

Ak processor with 1 less bit architecture and without internal graphics processing unit : ak63f