Akai Force is now UNSTOPPABLE

[@DylanParisMusic]

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[@8-BitHeart79]

New sub here, I've had the force for about a year now but as a single dad I find I t hard to delegate my time between my life and my music. This video has seriously inspired me to try a little more. Thanks for your upload and performance. 👍👍 Top notch.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Heck yeah! Thank you for subscribing, good on you for juggling all that at once, I’m glad I could help inspire!

[@marckirby7356]

Subscribing too. Also a dad. After kids are asleep I'm up til 3.or 4 am nearly everyday on the force. Come very far in a year. But still loads to learn

[@jerzboybeats]

I believe the two together is awesome because when I can save my MPC files as ALS files I can finish and arrange and even perform on the force.

[@ruffrog]

After nearly 30 years on various mpc"s,i I jumped to maschine and vowed never to return to akai. This video has changed all of that. Well done.

[@MarlonPrice-y5u]

😂😂😂😂

[@philippebackprotips]

Waiting for the arranger on the MPC...

[@DylanParisMusic]

that would be awesome, really hope they bring that over

[@TigroGumi]

Been waiting a very hot minute on that lol

[@philippebackprotips]

@@TigroGumi true!

[@agustinbernal2760]

I think it’s in the new MPC One +

[@alexwestconsulting]

I just got a Force. Perfect timing, though knew it was coming. I've still got the MPC One, but honestly, the transition to Force is just a logical step. I love finger drumming on the MPC, but the Force just nails the workflow and now has all the great plugins, with clearly more on the way.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Congrats! The force rules!

[@elevatewithmettavijnana6170]

Always thought about getting the MPC One, can you please explain why you feel the force is an upgrade ?

[@alexwestconsulting]

@@elevatewithmettavijnana6170 ok so first, mpc line still does not have disk streaming. As the lines converge, it’s reasonable to assume that it will eventually get it, but it may also be a technical limitation or akai just might not want to give it disk streaming. So it has to load everything into ram memory, whereas the Force can stream audio off the card or hard drive (mpc one doesnt even have hard drive option anyway). This kills the mpc line for certain highly visible use cases, like DJ'ing, even at home, or worse, using a long streaming sample as an audio track, since both lines only have 8 audio tracks. MPC just doesn't deal with long samples well which sucks, and I mean hard. Beyond that is the way music works in general. We have scales and measures, and we make songs by arranging these once we have song fragments built: verse, chorus, etc, but also elements we may want to flip to dynamically like a drop, or variations of those elements, or even just variations of, say, the hi-hat part, within one of those elements. Even if the mpc line gets everything the force does, the force’s arranger mode, hardware and workflow work naturally to build songs, and I don't mean just songs. I mean everything beyond the beat that it takes to make a song, even simple cases where you want to make and use small phrase sequences freely an interchangeably with ease. If you want to be the next NWA, MPC is for that. If you want anything more complex than that, Force is. You know how our number system is base 10 but in like computer science it’s base 8? Ummm yeah, you CAN convert between them, but our brains are not up to the task. It’s a mind fuck really. So it is with the akai lines. MPC is base 8, while the force is base 10. But base 8 is better for making beats. Get it? That's no small thing, it's just that the Force's base 10 is more intuitive, better, at everything else. I love making beats on the mpc but I DON'T love making beats on the force. But for everything else, the force is just natural. The second I saw the arranger mode working on the force and interacted with it with the grid and touchscreen, I was instantly converted. I still do have that mpc one though. I have a ton of gear, but the both lines are better than the competition so it’s hard to fully switch and not justify both. If there was one piece of gear I had to choose it’s the force. If there was one piece of gear I had to choose and I didn’t have much cash and I just wanted a groove box and make some beats it’s the mpc one (over live because of cost). Final thing is mpc integrated with the mpc software. It can do a lot, but there’s a reason it never shows up on best daw list. Akai co-made the ableton push 1 for ableton. They then made the akai force which can be standalone, but can also control ableton albeit not without hiccups. But it can do it way better than mpc. Because of that, I can standalone with akai force, then migrate to ableton to continue the song on ableton daw while still using the force to control the daw much easier than with mpc, because while mpc can export stems, anything else just isn’t natural. Very simply, if you A/B the 2 lines, you will instantly gravitate towards an mpc and feel cool (I mean inspired) making beats, but day 2 (I mean, eventually) when you’ve got things sorted out and you want to start making some songs, you’ll look over at the force. Both are better than anything we've had in the past, way better than anything a few years ago (I don't do Maschine past mk2, but I do Roland, Elektron, Deluge). MPC One is amazing value for money and it can do so, so much, way more than anything else as it is, and slays as a beatbox. Akai Force just takes it to the next level, so productive, the single most important piece of gear ATM IMO, will be the tool and inspiration to anyone to build up from a demo to a releasable piece of work that you will be proud of.

[@elevatewithmettavijnana6170]

@@alexwestconsulting And that comment is the reason the music production community is one of the best on internet :) I have been tracking these hardwares for 2-3 years now, was too busy to make the jump into beat making. your comment just saved me so much time and it is very well elaborated :) thank you for that. I think the conclusion for me would be to follow my gut and experiment with MPC Live or the one for a bit and later on transit to the force when im "readier" to make full songs. Right now, I just feel like experimenting, sampling having fun etc. it makes total sense to go with the simpler workflow of the MPC for that.

[@alexwestconsulting]

@@elevatewithmettavijnana6170 totally and i still love mpc. This coming black fri is day that many many akai users have been waiting, holding out, to get opx4 on sale. It’s presumed it will be. Sonically it will open a lot of doors for both lines. Maybe decide by then because reg price on opx4 is too high. And get a used mpc one. Tons of them out there. I got mine for $540 usd locally.

[@michal.gawron]

I have a _long_ list of missing features in Force's software (and also bugs), but most importantly, I'd like Akai to fix the constant freezing of the system in version 3.2.1. It's been some time since it came out and it seems still not addressed. Anything else should be deprioritized right now, in my opinion. Anyway, if someone from Akai would like to hear my wishlist, it's this (most important to me, not including bugs): - expanding pedal events to note-on/off events - step recording (real step recording, not some kind of gimmick in event display mode) - putting clips (clip references) to arrange mode, not just raw events - naming rows - gain control for audio tracks (not just volume) - touching a knob should temporarily inhibit automation related to it (yeah, not that hard to do, but needs a little more sophisticated logic layer than just operating on low-level MIDI events, not sure if feasible to do in Force) - user-configurable names of CC controllers for MIDI tracks - output sysex templates for MIDI tracks (additional to CC controls) - user comments for projects, tracks, etc) - user patches for MIDI tracks (so not only program/bank can be selected, but also a set of params should be sent to the device; currently it doesn't work) - and of course the last, but not least: support for other time signatures than just "common time". BTW, clicking on a knob should also highlight (not focus) UI element on the screen.

[@jaydogon8890]

This video was fire. Especially the song at the end.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Thank you 🙌😎

[@lurelover7065]

I glad that you like the software. The force forces you to compose music and stop f'ing around. If I can't make the sound I want I'll just sample it. The only way you can get the best multi samples is on your computer everything else you can design it with the plugins if you know sound design.

[@falazarte]

This is so freaking amazing!! The Force it is indeed a force in the music universe.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Thank you! And agreed!

[@bradmodd7856]

I am looking at the Force for a live looping system, but I am still not convinced it has enough real time composition abilities. There is no time to menu dive on stage. Everything must be one button away.

[@matthewgaines10]

Glad you found something you excites you. It’s all about finding out what works for you. I wouldn’t spent that kind of money buying new content for a device I bought that has known hardware issues. I use my gear for personal entertainment and not to make income and wouldn’t do that.

[@RobertoFrobs]

hardware issues?

[@Invisibleplqnetsmusic]

I am so happy i own this... it brings electronic performance to a whole new level.

[@hogg1media627]

damn, That's RAW!! music gear has come a long way

[@ndguardian]

Just now started watching and I have to say I'm pretty much as excited about the new update if for no other reason than OPx4. Such a fantastic addition to the Force.

[@DylanParisMusic]

It’s a really good addition!

[@giacomorml]

Some days ago I did comment a previous video you did about force (you were not that happy about the force in that case) and I’m glad you changed your mind about this product. Personally I use it together with a Nord stage 3 to compose and arrange, so basically I use them for the 80% of the production process, and I really believe this is the best balance to “force” myself to be creative, and work with a selection of instruments that make me to avoid to look always for the best instrument to use. I own Komplete 13 Ultimate and KK61 Mk2 but at the end of the day, too many instruments available only distract me… so I just samples some favorite drums from Komplete 😂 And then this update is cool. I only hoped Akai was fixing some bugs and was adding also a new time signature function. Working only with 4/4 is a bit frustrating to me

[@DylanParisMusic]

I hope they add more time signatures, a lot of people want those

[@RobertoFrobs]

hey - sorry for my ignorance, if you can make clips of the length you want, why do you need to be able to set the time signature?

[@giacomorml]

@@RobertoFrobs because the Force is also working in arranger mode. And there you need a time signature function as you need it in any other DAW

[@gpc8984]

does the sequencer do tempo tracks? i.e. variable tempos

[@anotherlook5885]

Hello, very good video. I wanted to know how you did for the connections between the machines because I can't. can you make a video thanks

[@kisho2679]

Does it offer stems separation?

[@Ms76Cocoa]

This was so good. Thank you for showing how you use the Akai Force. I just bought one, so I'm learning. Appreciate your video!

[@DylanParisMusic]

Thank you for watching and for the kind feedback!

[@Sey_Les]

What will always put a DAW over any of akai's products to me, is that, with a computer, i can build a big set up, without crashing my cpu and such. Akai products come with a set cpu inside, i believe, so overdoing it will make it crash. With my computer, not the case. Can add plug in after plug in, effect on effect, u name it, still jamming perfectly. i used to be a fan of dawless jamming an such but i wanted all the bells and whistle so instead of having a bunch of gear that does doff stuff, just simped it down to a computer. Diff strokes for diff folks thou

[@s.gharavi1614]

It has some cpu and ram limitations, but when used in controller mode, there's more efficiency and resources.

[@Sey_Les]

@@s.gharavi1614 couldn't use the mpc one with ableton when I had it

[@godgrace467]

sir iwant to know in what category this products fall is that all in one for music productions and live performance?and it cover all like audio mixers,interface,midi keyboard purpsoe and podcast streaming and what that called and other brand alternatives, there are similar product in akai like akai one and mpcx what are and there differences

[@AutisticCuriosity]

Latest news: of course Akais new update 4.2.4 broke more stuff. BUT NOW These new synths unless you connect to Internet every 90 days the new instruments STOP WORKING!

[@bogdanoctav]

Are you aware of any possibility of grouping audio tracks in order to nudge them around? Like if I have three voice tracks and obviously I want to move them to a different place without desynchronizing them?

[@DylanParisMusic]

I'm not, that seems like a fair request though!

[@X-B369SK]

I really dont care about quality of in built synths if the processor is weak and device is absolutely unpredictable in term of freezing, restarting itself during simple tasks like loading a saved rack Fx preset and many more bugs. Absolutely risky to lay on It during live performance. More hate than love relationship...just my own almost 2 years of experience trying to implement it to real musical context. It offers a lot on paper, but reality sucks.

[@333_Tarot]

Seen a vid title how to change 2gb ram for 4gb. Didn't watch it yet

[@fredrikw1447]

The force really is a force! Great points!

[@EulogyfortheAngels]

So I could hook a Helix/Kemper/etc up to this and make my own synth metal, and practice piano with the new plugins? Clip-based, generative djent? 😃 It sounds more and more like something I'd love to work with.

[@402redrum]

That Music u did at the end was dope bro I Str8ight Zonded out keep it up

[@iamrocketray]

Hi Dylan 😎 Got to agree with you, I ❤my Force. What is that stand you are using with the force?

[@DylanParisMusic]

Link is in description under gear stand 🙏🫡😊

[@williamtocajr.6483]

I have the Korg Kronos 2 73, the Roland Fantom 7, an ASM Hyrasynth, the Roli Rise 49 connected to a MacBook Pro M1 Max 1Tb 16.2, Was on the fence about the MPC Key 61, went for The Force with the Modx7+ that combination is ridiculous. But imagine if Akai made a Force 61,76 with polyphonic aftertouch and 88 Key hammer weighted? 8G's of Ram, I would lose my mind. I'm also eyeing the Kurtzweil K2700.

[@stringsnare]

is it possible to use third party vsts with this? also i work in IT, and DAWs have killed my creativity. i make more 'band' type music but my songs have distinct parts, and i want something i can kind of make demos on before 'seriously recording' in my daw. woudl the force or the maschine be better? i have NI Komplete in my DAW and i use that a lot. but i want to 'use my ears' more than my eyes, if that makes sense.

[@DylanParisMusic]

It can only use specific plugins made by Akai, but you can use the multisampler to make custom patches sampled from other plugins or sound sources. I think the Force or the Maschine could both work depending on what you're making, but the Force does have access the MPC Instrument Collection which opens up a really nice palette of sound.

[@stringsnare]

@@DylanParisMusic thanks so much for replying to my comment i appreciate it. im focused on more guitar based music with different parts to my songs. my idea for this was to be less distracted by working away from the computer - essentially using either of these machines as a writing tool. i.e. jam out my ideas, figure out vocal melodies, synth parts, bass, and then going back to the daw and either recording some parts, and putting real drums on it. i have used NI instruments quite extensively in an album im working on for the first song, so i am comfortable with it. but workflow is more improtant to me, and for what im trying to do with this, im almost wondering if just a rc-505 would be better. i want to also be able to test arranging parts around on these devices (not sure thats possible on a force). so id be recording a combo of audio + midi, synths, if that makes sense.

[@DylanParisMusic]

That totally makes sense! I think the Force or the Maschine plus would probably work for you especially if you have some guitar gear you can plug in (although the force does have a decent amp simp too). I would say try both out if you can? You may end up finding you really like one or the other after going hands on in a way you couldn’t tell just by watching videos

[@stringsnare]

@@DylanParisMusic thanks a lot for replying, really appreciate it. subbed. would music stores let me try them? another option people recommended was the deluge, but that thing looks like operating a fighter jet with no view out the window, lol

[@DylanParisMusic]

@@stringsnare some music stores like guitar center might, otherwise you could try buying them from amazon and testing them / returning what you don't like within the return window

[@andygreaves7980]

I watched your video comparing the Maschine Plus and this, it seemed as though you favoured the Maschine plus slightly then. Has this update changed that? I can't decide between the two as a first buy. I want the ability to produce audio completely stand alone from start to finish. But I do have the option for a computer if it's really needed. Any advice?

[@DylanParisMusic]

The new sounds definitely make the Force more exciting to me than it was back then, but they are an additional cost so that’s worth considering as well. The force is now probably my current favorite

[@MaxDissent]

Are the pads on this more like the original MPC pads or more like the PUSH? I can't stand the pads on the PUSH. They are too hard to press and it's virtually impossible to get good velocity variations on the PUSH.

[@DylanParisMusic]

I think they're a bit similar to the push vs an mpc but i haven't had any issues with velocity on them

[@DmytroRyzhkov]

Can you use the scales/chord feature to control external synths via midi out or something?

[@DylanParisMusic]

I believe so as long as the destination device has support for the amount of voices equal to notes in the chord

[@nektardymski6025]

The update brought some nice features, but I wonder why theres no insert effect reorder yet. Like... come on, they gave us track reorder finally but not this. Strange. There was no reports of this feature missing in beta tests? No automatic fade in/out when recording audio to clips (pops on loop end/start) is a big problem for my performances. Aaaand a lot of other bugs kind of cool down my excitement.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Agreed on those missing features, I’ve let Akai directly know how much we need the auto fade in and out to stop pops

[@nektardymski6025]

@@DylanParisMusic That's very nice of you, thanks :)

[@kisho2679]

someone knows, does it have comparable live sample mangling features and fader-scenes like the Electron Octatrack?

[@KPFWoo]

Does anyone know what the stand he's using for the Force in this video is? I've been trying to find a good stand but there doesn't appear to be many that accommodates the size and form of the Force.

[@DylanParisMusic]

It’s linked in the description as my gear stands! It’s a Quik Lok laptop stand

[@eliaszerano3510]

can you also load a project in a computer bases version of teh force software and edit it as it is possible with the mpc ?

[@DylanParisMusic]

I don’t think there’s a software counterpart like for the MPC but you can export stems and finish tracks in any DAW of your choice

[@BeauTylerMakesMusic]

Agh! First I’m hearing about this! I’m updating it tomorrow!

[@DylanParisMusic]

Dooo itttt 🙏🙌😎

[@kimvin9]

Hi Dylan. Have you ever made beats on the Roland MC 707? If so, what is your opinion of the Roland MC 707 versus Akai Force, or the key differences that would make the Akai Force better than the Roland MC 707? Thank you

[@DylanParisMusic]

Hi! I owned an MC 707 a long time ago, I have a few videos on the channel with it. They're a bit hard to compare but I'll try! I definitely prefer the Akai Force at this point. The biggest reasons are down to the hardware designs and what they allow the software to be. You are limited on the 707 in a multitude of ways that you aren't with the Akai Force. You can have more tracks, longer samples, more storage, and with the new instrument expansions along with the older keygroups and autosampling functions you can have a lot more high quality sounds of different varieties. If you find them near the same price, the Force wins hands down in basically every category for me. The 707 is a really neat piece of gear and I do regret selling it when I did, but if I had both now I'd probably never use 707.

[@wakinglife7065]

Can you use a midi foot controller like the Behringer fc- or Morningstar mc6?

[@DylanParisMusic]

not sure

[@jmltalklife]

Now it needs some brass and wood wind instruments a vocoder mouse control and blocks for midi notes

[@DespairQuietlyPlease]

Does it automatically map to akai mixer? My only grope is that there is not a visible, tangeable traditional mixer with faders, mute solo etc

[@DylanParisMusic]

Not sure! The knobs have a lot of functionality and the screen can show mixer while the pads show launch stuff so that helps too

[@DespairQuietlyPlease]

@@DylanParisMusic Yeah looks like you can build an engaging performance with the live mixing tools on board. Mute solo filter functions etc Have u used the audio looper?

[@DylanParisMusic]

@@DespairQuietlyPlease I haven't but I don't really use audio loopers in general. Especially cause you can just have multiple tracks of audio and record adjacent clips I don't need to loop into a static single recording

[@Ast3rixMusic]

Hum unstoppable is a bit of a stretch, but it is definitely much better than it was when first released. If they could fix all the reported bugs it would be even better.

[@l.g.5899]

Could I use it to play live a guitar and sing using the amp simulator and the vocals effect while also letting the music go in the background? I dunno if buying this unit or a pedalboard for guitar, one for voice and a console for the musical base.... Any advices?

[@DylanParisMusic]

Yep! You have to enable multi input monitoring / recording but with that on you could do that

[@l.g.5899]

@@DylanParisMusic no loss of quality for the effects?

[@DylanParisMusic]

I’m not sure I understand the question

[@l.g.5899]

@@DylanParisMusic if I play live the effects work on the fly like if I recorded, with no crushes or less quality?

[@jayeds4377]

Hi Dylan, I sold my force a while back because I couldn't record incoming audio whilst it was in slave mode. Do you know if that's been rectified? Thanks

[@DylanParisMusic]

Not sure on that one!

[@carvingCode]

Which stand do you have your Force mounted to? Thanks!

[@DylanParisMusic]

I use two of these Quik Lok stands: amzn.to/3ah26tv

[@boomboombaby9140]

I like creating from scratch also I never sample or use loops . The only time I sampled is to see if I could do it lol

[@darrellm8769]

Can you use AAS, Arturia, WAVES, & other 3rd party plug-ins, Or just AKAI?

[@DylanParisMusic]

Only the Akai Plugins that are designed for the force and MPC Standalone lines

[@DavesCoolStuff]

Akai Force STILL does not midi learn the basic stuff I need for live that I do in Ableton, it does NOT midi learn start? stop? tap tempo? scene launching? I do that at live shows with a midi pedal board, I mean really akai???? PLEASE GET THIS DONE, I love the Akai Force but they should get this done ASAP. I bought the force for this reason, so I would not have to carry a computer to gigs.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Definitely a fair ask!

[@DopamineOverload]

Would be really nice if Akai put forth the same Force firmware energy toward the MPC One / Live II / X. Y'know?

[@robertgarvansnyder4665]

They totally are- this last firmware update just brought the force up to Parity with the MPC series.

[@iamrocketray]

The X, Live, One, have been getting all the attention from Akai, and the Force was the neglected ugly duckling until quite recently, and has now caught up and is arguably surpassing the MPC stuff, I mean Disc streaming for example, surely that will come to the MPC's, But When?

[@57precision]

If you use a midi controller for note entry, wouldn't it make more sense to just use the MPC Key? Assuming you owned neither device and are just looking into getting into Akai stuff. Or is there something unique about the Force that it can do stuff an MPC Key can't?

[@DylanParisMusic]

The force has a pretty different interface for actual song creation with the scenes interface and a full arrangement mode for song composition and recording your performances, that’s the biggest difference for sure

[@57precision]

@@DylanParisMusic that makes sense. I'm going to need to research which workflow I think I would like best. Both devices cost similar considering the MPC Key comes with all the plugins which I understand need to be purchased separately with the force. Thanks so much for the informative video !

[@DylanParisMusic]

Oh yeah that’s a good point on the plugins, they go on sale sometimes but full price it gets pretty close

[@manofmatter.yvezchannel]

So does this device support VST plugins or not? Can it support an SSD as external sound source without importing into this device?

[@DylanParisMusic]

It doesn't support the VST format but it does have it's own internal plugins. You can use a usb drive or an internal drive via the 2.5 inch sata bay.

[@manofmatter.yvezchannel]

@@DylanParisMusic But does it recognize hardware synth like Virus Ti2 desktop? as in it will have each of the 16 midi channel per Track?

[@accvi]

Hi, great work! What mic are you using? Are you going directly into the force with it?

[@DylanParisMusic]

Thank you! It’s the Shure Beta 58A I think, and for the vocal part yes! When I’m talking it’s going into a zoom H6 audio recorder

[@josuearesav]

looks like a shure sm58 though

[@roggerwine]

I did not understand one thing: if I buy a new akai force I already have autotune and amp simulator fx or I have to buy them separately?

[@DylanParisMusic]

I believe those are both included. The only paid effect plug-in right now is Flavor Pro

[@MikkelGrumBovin]

The Vocal part is what REALLY makes this a purebreed Dawkiller !

[@wakinglife7065]

Sounds good bro love your sound

[@DylanParisMusic]

Thank you!! 🙏

[@novalogue]

What do you think right now about that comparing to the Push 3?

[@DylanParisMusic]

The price difference especially if you find a used or sale Force is HUGE. But I do still want a Push 3

[@novalogue]

@@DylanParisMusic Yeah for sure the standalone is quite more expensive - why would you want a push 3? Are the Fx and Instrument library of Ableton superior or what is your thought?

[@DylanParisMusic]

For me Ableton has been my primary DAW for nearly a decade now. Everything I make ends up in Ableton in one way or another. I already have a license for 11 Suite, so I have access to a huge library of instruments and fx, all of which will work in standalone. There are ways in which the Force “beats” the Push on paper, but based on everything I’ve seen the Push 3 does what it claims to do power wise which means it’s basically a generational leap in performance with a much more mature and capable set of sounds and functionality. If you need an arranger mode in standalone though, the Force is the only game in town besides Maschine+

[@OnlyEmet]

That was amazing great work 👏 New sub

[@DylanParisMusic]

Thank you! 🙏😎🙌

[@philippebackprotips]

Hype still cool. I wish they made an updated version of Hybrid 3 on device.

[@obscuresoundz]

need that force mixer screen on the live asap; but the plugins are good but not great in my opinion, and sometimes there is a bloatware vibe; it would be good if people could uninstall un desired plugins to perhaps improve performance

[@camblackofficial]

Hoping Black Friday will bring some deals for the Instrument Plugins.

[@louisbrau1502]

Hi what mic do you use?

[@DylanParisMusic]

Shure Beta 58A

[@tekrahmuzik777]

Will wait for the Force 2 not going to be that long

[@truechristianity74]

2 things missing from the force. 1. Ability to hook up a mouse, 2. Audio are in this block type of format why is the midi data not in the same format? Can you suggest that to Akai

[@DylanParisMusic]

Mouse would be interesting. I feel like if they do that they should also have an app for PC / Mac / maybe even iOS that shows the force screen but larger or adds additional interface options to take advantage of mouse type control.

[@GatisKaulinsh]

Shure Beta?

[@healthyhappyhero]

Hey Dylan. I’d love to hear which new plugins you think are best. I’m only planning on buying 1 or 2 when they go on sale.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Fabric XL and OPx4 are probably my favorite and will cover most of the sounds you might want

[@SonicVibe]

I wonder how this will all work out with a new mpc coming in a month or 2 will they merge ?or force and mpc line one live 2 get forgotten ? also is the cpu better on the force cause as of now hype and the first ones only ones that don’t spike the cpu like fabric and the new mini d but air flavor pro is low on cpu so seems ok

[@Noise-Conductor]

I know disk streaming helps with keeping samples off the RAM so maybe that'll help the plugins run better.

[@SonicVibe]

@@Noise-Conductor I don’t know I sold mine today isn’t it only on the blackbox 1010

[@koalemos1679]

Does it recall presets per pattern though

[@DankePlace]

Probability and ratcheting is my game changer. I only intend to use mine as a MIDI sequencer/ clip launcher. I have had mine for over a year and really never used it. Most my gear was packed away but it is now sitting back where it was. The Force has something that is more versatile than any other product I know of for controlling hardware, this is why these 2 additions are probably going to stop me from gassing for other sequencers. I have been wanting these 2 features even before I got mine, a blessing in disguise imo.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Oh man yeah I totally forgot about those additions, also huge!

[@Curious_Skeptic]

ADVICE for other noobies! I disregarded the Force as an option. I feel so stupid. Didn't even notice the 8 OLED/Qlinks! I went with the Key 61 (Well, before that the MPC One Plus). I would have gladly went Force had I realized the features. I'm not a finger drummer anyway. So, small pads, and more of them, would have been great. Anyway. Look into this beast. My next Akai will be the flag ship MPC X Se, or hopefully, by next year, we'll have a brand new flag ship.

[@kurtsinsane]

I'm looking to replace a drummer and we make music for many genres. I also don't use a computer for making music. Just uploading. So I feel like this line of things would be a good addition. Instead of buying a Roland jdxi again

[@DylanParisMusic]

This could potentially be overkill if you only need a drum backing track but I do really enjoy this device and can recommend it for general music making

[@kurtsinsane]

@@DylanParisMusic i full on believe that anything thing worth doing is worth over doing 🤣 but I also really like making electronic music just for the hell of it too ha. Awesome vid though 👌

[@city.hermit]

Hey, could you show us how it behaves as an Ableton controller in 2022? I'm debating getting the Force over the Push 2, thank you

[@DylanParisMusic]

I’ll need to test thoroughly but that is a great idea

[@city.hermit]

​@@DylanParisMusic Ideally the Force would be great dawless but still very helpful for editing/mastering in Ableton, thank you for looking into this, I love your videos

[@HelicopterRidesForCommunists]

I would urge you to get the Push 2 over the Force as an Ableton controller. Akai really dropped the ball in that area. In Ableton control mode you can’t trigger midi notes or send cc for parameter changes or anything - it can only adjust volume and launch clips and scenes. It’s ass.

[@city.hermit]

@@HelicopterRidesForCommunists Damn, that's terrible. I've seen people control Ableton via 5pin midi into an audio interface instead to get around the restrictions of Ableton controller mode

[@HelicopterRidesForCommunists]

@@city.hermit Funny you say that because that’s what I eventually found out works for being able to send and receive notes. USB doesn’t work for me, and neither does Ableton Link over WIFI or Ethernet, but you can get some use out of it by using 5-pin directly to your audio interface. It’s still not great - and it’s nowhere near what was first advertised or presented by AKAI, but yeah that’s true. Too bad you won’t find that information anywhere on their website or Live’s website. They will tell you to use the midi network program. I’ve been following the life of the Force since day 1, and based off all of the frustration I have had with the device I sometimes think there is something fishy with the relationship between the Force and Ableton Live. Almost like there was a falling out or something between the companies or something beneath the surface, because I see no reason why the two don’t work together as well as they could. Idk - that’s just my opinion.

[@jahstafari4606]

22:40 from here its supernice ....your song? ................👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@DylanParisMusic]

thank you! yep, just improvising on this one!

[@ZETONEproductions]

Jus love the Force fan boys 😉😉 nothing better then à Force 😜😜

[@foxcontrolmusic]

If you make a beat on an on an akai mpc live, can you open the session on the akai force?

[@DylanParisMusic]

They recently updated the Force OS to allow you to open MPC files, so this is now true

[@klaytonvonkluge4905]

Anyone know offhand a link or name to a reviewer or tutorial that deep dives + shows how these work ? I know OP mentioned one but I didn't understand who he meant

[@DylanParisMusic]

Maxipok is one of the best

[@klaytonvonkluge4905]

@@DylanParisMusic thanks Dylan, I didn't think you'd have Time to answer , with 200 comments ! Good lookin' out, my friend

[@DylanParisMusic]

Thanks for watching the video! Glad I could help :)

[@SticksAandstonesBozo]

The fact they haven’t put the arrangement modes on MPC …. We should literally protest. It’s absolutely mind boggling.

[@DylanParisMusic]

They really should bring an arranger over

[@bateimidrashnetwork]

It's not that it now has new sounds. It's just compatible with the new mpc plugins so that if you like them and want them - you're gonna have to pay for them. It's not a free addition.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Never said it was free

[@bateimidrashnetwork]

@@DylanParisMusic never said it didn't as well. Listen to your first two minutes. You give the impression that these new sound and plugins are a part of the Akai Force - and they are not. They don't come with the Force out of the box. You have to PAY for them in addition to what you pay for the Force itself

[@DylanParisMusic]

🤷‍♂️

[@djbrunomalta]

nice man big up from Portugal

[@DylanParisMusic]

🙌🙏🇵🇹

[@SaiaFT]

Are the notes on the Force customisable?

[@DylanParisMusic]

Not sure I understand the question, in what sense do you mean re customizable?

[@SaiaFT]

@@DylanParisMusic if you’re playing an instrument with the pads can u rearrange the layout of notes on the pads?

[@DylanParisMusic]

Yep! There’s scales modes, chromatic modes, chord modes. It’s super flexible

[@madhilama]

Soooooo. Is the song available on streaming platforms? 👀

[@DylanParisMusic]

Not this one but I do have an album out called "There's Something Better" which is on all the services :]

[@madhilama]

@@DylanParisMusic Cool. Going to check it out. 🤟

[@cold-momentss]

Where can I find this update helpppp

[@cold-momentss]

Nvm found it in silly

[@soundion]

Cool that you stand! Good performance! I would thing of either put the mic in the other hand or just having all on the opposite side. Which would mean that you would not have the arm in between me and you and with the second camera not your fingers in front of the screen while i am watching.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Appreciate the feedback!

[@fcf8269]

The problem is that the Force is not a synth; it plays samples. What you see there as plugin is nothing more than samples with some effects... It is more akin to NI Kontakt than an actual synth to be honest. It is great that they put those in, but if you look at it, that is an afterthought IMO - There is a limit on plugins, and if you plan to sell plugins, that is not a smart thing to have. - If you want to sell plugins they need to be affordable, and Akai does not really have those at an affordable price, unless heavily discounted. - Plugins instruments are more of an extra that was born on MPC devices; then they thought that if you slap a keybed to a MPC you can also call it a synth and that's where we ended up I use the Force with external synths for most part, and having integrated plugins is great; but it is more of an extras, compared to being the main dish TBH. Love my Force but I am aware that at its heart it is an ableton push standalone with recording capabilities; so that is where it shine.

[@Qmayb]

Let’s be honest, the PC is the BEST music making device, i know is boring to admitting, but is true.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Really depends on the metrics you’re evaluating against

[@Johnmb23]

love my force but it’s still got one flaw in my opinion (besides all the damn bugs). I really hate the arranger page on it and I wish they would give us the scene chaining option that’s on the mpc. I simply want to to chain my clip rows into a song! I edit this per clip and you can make clips really long so I feel no need to mess around in the arranger. I still love my force but my “stranded on a desert Island” synth would still be my Roland MC 707. The 707 is fast simple and more inspiring for me to work with

[@333_Tarot]

After updates on both ends which one do you prefer atm? And why

[@Sey_Les]

Cool Vid regardless

[@dracul74]

I think it’s a good product, but not for everyone. I think most Ableton users would prefer to stay in Ableton. So basically Akai Force is for people who want Live in Standalone… but with Push that is even less ppl… and as Live keeps evolving will the Force keep up? I also think the actual instruments are way better in the mc 707 and Maschine plus. Akai aren’t bad… but I end up using sample more. In my opinion an Mpc with a hydrasynth will get you farther if you can play keys.

[@kurtsinsane]

So I'm new to all this kinda stuff. What is ableton?

[@DylanParisMusic]

Ableton is a DAW or Digital Audio Workstation, it’s a piece of software used for making music on computers. It’s my personal favorite DAW :)

[@Congasjones]

If buy all the plugins it will prob cost you more than buying the force itself?

[@DylanParisMusic]

Depends on where you get the force, I think MSRP is back to 1300 but I paid 700ish used so in my case if I paid full price for all the plugins it would be about the same as what I paid for the device

[@karelbh775]

Looks like an amazing piece of kit.

[@DylanParisMusic]

It really is

[@renechang2406]

Luckily we don't have to pay for upgrades so far and if they keep upgrading it. They may start to charge more per unit.

[@PapatunesRecords]

I really miss the MPC Live Pad Perform Screen with the names of the notes...I will keep waiting for that update😔

[@simonsmith2642]

I am enjoying using these devices to make music, and blending organic with virtual. But I still, just prefer to put mics on my kit, mic my amps, and just play it myself. I can play it quicker easier and better than I can programmit and Im only working with audio files. Its just easier for me since I play the instruments and have the gear for all the instruments, but I cant playbthem all at once now can I? I love combining them. Added an MPC live to the set up, when I was and still am using logic and launch key and launch pad. The wife working with clips and scenes. Its very cool, I make the samples, she plays the groove boxes, and I play guitar and sing, its especially cool with organic acoustic guitar and vocals, in a singer songwriter type genre, it doesnt have to all be dance music or hip hop boom bap trap. These can be used in many ways, and if you play and record your own instruments you can sample that make clips create scenes, and a duo can be viable live and sound HUGE! I might need to pick up a used Force now. The work flow makes a lot of sense. Very intuitive. And no PC. Thats a powerful unit!

[@simonsmith2642]

And I would love to see XLR combo inputs and 48v standard on all stand alone groove boxes. So we can use our cloud lifters with an SM7

[@DylanParisMusic]

That sounds like an awesome setup!

[@VTOLKits]

Great video, hope they maka a vocoder...! 👋😁👍

[@middaymeds]

Great video Dylan. I'm an MPC guy but with this update I'm really tempted to trade it out. I just wish Akai would make a promise that all future plugins will eventually be on the force, I don't want to miss out on anything cool if I switch platforms.

[@DylanParisMusic]

It seems like all of them end up on the force but it’s definitely fair to want a guarantee

[@alexwestconsulting]

make the switch. i did. i mean, i DID keep the MPC One for now, but i've been thinking of ditching even my Deluge since the Force can do it all. Unless you are a big user of the MPC software, don't hesitate. It really is huge though. My take on Akai is that they are really pushing to get out of the niche beat-maker scene (big as it is). Their involvement in developing the Push paved the way, a brief time when the Force SEEMED like abandonware, but then a steady obvious commitment to it and their plugins. I agree that it's the single best flagship, and I strongly believe that Akai is committed, NEEDS IT to increase it's market share with a common platform.

[@Noise-Conductor]

Your already missing out on all the cool features the Force has over the MPC by not switching platforms...all because you you don't want to miss out on something cool the MPC might get which will end up in the Force most likely. That way of logic sounds kinda strange when you stop & think about it.

[@AutisticCuriosity]

This is just not true in fact the opposite the Force now stops due to all the software issues. Akai adds new stuff without fixing the operating system, then just adding MORE bugs to what is already a broken line. They’ve completely ignored all the know issues! All those beta testers are so upset that they’ve just wasted their time. The Force just doesn’t work properly any more and just isn’t trustable for live music due to crashes!

[@DylanParisMusic]

I haven't had any of those issues but I'm sorry you're experiencing those, that's no fun at all!

[@oggeeboggee]

Have you bought one already or just whining over the stuff you googled about? Since you have a YT account yourself do address these bugs in some nice edited video instead. Thank you.

[@hesingshesobs]

Is it still impossible to do a song in 3/4, 7/8, etc meter?

[@hesingshesobs]

Also, do the pads still have the bug where they cannot run aftertouch?

[@hesingshesobs]

Also, are the synths still limited to 4 voices? No 13#11 chords?

[@binahtrading8565]

Cheers !!

[@nomad1517]

I feel standalone devices are in their infancy and will become a super practical and simplistic way of producing and performing electronic music. Hopefully one day, they can make them to where they are a complete music studio without the need of a laptop. Like, if Ableton had a device were it was Ableton in it's entirety in a solid box without the need of a laptop. That would be very amazing.

[@audiopilot89]

Infancy? Standalone devices came out first…..MPC 60 came out in 1988 followed by a tremendous line up of others. SP-1200 came out in 1987. Stand-alone is OG.

[@darkjord5823]

i thought you sold all your dawless gear? i just watched a vid from a year ago?

[@DylanParisMusic]

I did but then I started getting into it again with the Maschine Plus after the iPads let me down

[@blue.sunset]

Very good production Dylan. How many who chose to buy Maschine+ instead of Force are regretting it right now. There is nothing that beats Force.

[@BkuBrown]

X?