Arch Tempered - Difficulty Done Wrong [Monster Hunter World]

[@Come2MeCaroline]

I forgot to turn off my subwoofer and my apartment building collapsed.

[@Wakunafgc]

The godly bass in aki's voice was too much to handle.

[@kaosapprentice]

XD

[@2HandHangerDunksOnly]

@@Wakunafgc that's the joke

[@Wakunafgc]

@@2HandHangerDunksOnly I'm aware

[@theunofficialfpsbalancetea5915]

Yo for real this guys voice is unrealistic you deep. It sounds like it hurts to talk for extended periods of time lol

[@KatrinaAmaxas]

Let's be honest; the only truly good AT monster... Was Greatest Jagras.

[@ufuk5872]

Say that to his unlockable great slam the telegraph for 2s that one shot you.

[@mrmolo70]

@@ufuk5872 Still more telegraphed than Nergi's .5 seconds of "I'm gonna dive into your face and half health you!" nonsense.

[@KatrinaAmaxas]

@@mrmolo70 ^This.

[@OfficialChipSkylark]

I agree

[@Sunaki1000]

Grestest Jaggras was Kulve Taroth all along

[@rageguy4981]

Nergigante: jumps in air for 1 second My team: Fainted, Fainted, Fainted Disband and Return to base

[@hariman7727]

I beat him solo. Period. I don't even try AT monsters in multiplayer anymore.

[@redoxam]

Herman Cillo it’s probably the only way. way too much room for failure in multiplayer.

[@hariman7727]

@@redoxam you need a solid team going in, and having friends with voice chat helps. I have none of those, though I did have some good luck in getting good parties to beat behemoth a couple times.

[@redoxam]

Herman Cillo my friends are very good at mhw and have played previous titles, but as soon as we fight anything together, we absolutely fail! guess thats the fun part. i am in the same boat as you for behemoth, got very lucky with my group for that one. no denying you need a group for him.

[@harristhesecondcomin]

Yo I almost had a similar experience but I was more careful than the others. Needless to say we lost anyway.

[@FreakGerm]

What if you Wanted to hunt monsters But Nergigante said *PEPEGA SLAM*

[@FerLopez5]

You wake up in a carriage, a few tied up dudes around, a blonde guy looks at you and says "Hey, you...you're finnaly awake..."

[@Zedrinbot]

On note of AT Val: You can move him out of his miasma by just leading him to a different part of the map. The miasma won't follow, it'll only be an issue if he puts down more (which then you just move again). You can also disperse the miasma with a flame pod. He's really not that difficult to fight once you realize you can do this. To be honest he was the easiest out of all the AT monsters IMO.

[@mainzer45]

Yeah AT vaal was easy. I'd always considered him by far the easiest tempered, and AT vaal showed that it was exactly the same for the AT version. The only danger is when he tries to laser you while you sit in camp, cause it's a one shot now.

[@jasonlobo2350]

Hes saying its tedious that you can't negate that tick damage not that hes difficult

[@Zedrinbot]

And I'm saying you can negate / mitigate / prevent the tick damage.

[@Chrisdish]

@@Zedrinbot you still take damage from the tick dmg from the effluvium. Even with max miasma

[@Zedrinbot]

@@Chrisdish Literally where did I say otherwise? The effluvia actually has an effect where you can visually see it. If you move to an area where you don't see the miasma, it won't tick constantly. Literally when he makes a fog cloud that's getting to be too much of a hassle, either disperse it with a flame pod, or just draw him to a different part of the map.

[@redhawkfour]

Personally I've never carted from the Dive attack. You may ask, how? Simple really... I've never fought AT Nerge lol. Can't die from an attack I've never seen.

[@abdulrahmankhan3]

WeSmart

[@majinblalock7402]

"THE FUTURE IS NOW OLD MAN"

[@DogInatutu]

*Genius*

[@jonathanvanheest9449]

Redhawkfour that move has the worst hitbox of any of the monsters. I got really mad because i wasn’t remotely close and it killed me the one time i tried to fight it

[@johnvedis5771]

Belly flop dodge counters all

[@alloy5526]

Akantorx: Kirin is actually a *fun fight* Me: *BRUH*

[@bizquitguy2365]

BRUH BRUH

[@poilu146]

All the kirin fights are basically a joke solo tbh

[@juanisaias8308]

aerial hammer vs Kirin is pretty fun.

[@Saicofake]

Actually with LBG and slash ammo, I was able to down kirin in less than 13 mins. Fastest time I ever cleared solo with an AT.

[@drawingRICH]

Lance makes Kirin super easy, AT Kirin is actually why I picked up the Lance

[@BS-gk2cb]

Kushala has to be the biggest offender to me. Half of the fight is waiting for him to land so you can even do any damage. You fight the damn clock as much as you do the dragon.

[@xShadeThePyromaniac]

"What to Say about AT Kushala. *abandons quest* Nothing!" That is pretty much exactly what AT Kushala is. You dont fight the monster, instead it wastes four thousand years flying out of your reach and being immune to flashes because go fuck yourself, you cant use the item specifically for stopping monsters from flying out of you range for extended periods of time to counter a monster that wants to spend the whole fight spamming Tornado and Wind Pressure combos from a place you cant even hit it.

[@SCF721]

Master Rank Kushala is pretty much that with flash pod resistance and now he spams mini tornadoes that make his normal ones even bigger.

[@indomitable9763]

Abandons quest shoot that basically summarizes regular kushala

[@BS-gk2cb]

Mr Grape Soda tbf Master Rank has nerfed flash to a degree of almost uselessness. I think they balanced his air time compared to AT

[@lunardian8082]

What's weird for me is that AT Kushala hardly ever flew around. IMO. He was one of the easier AT Elders. Does that make him a Good fight though? No. No it does not. But it wasn't really difficult. More annoying when he'd make a Tornado, land, and hide in it.

[@mrretard3953]

You wont survive the "Pepega slam" unless u have close to 500 defense. Me: 200 hp, 480 defense, Rocksteady mantle on AT Nergigante: Bruh lemme just spam pepega

[@SuperREIGN20]

I run with 441 defense and it doesn't one shot me.

[@SuperREIGN20]

@smsace87 You may get one shot if he gets the sweet spot. There are two active hit box. One during the slam and one when he's pushing down on the ground. I got hit by those two but didn't get one shot still but I was hanging on by a thread...

[@michaelgroff1620]

Hunter activates Temporal Mantle. pepega slam has failed

[@TheRookie01010]

I had 603 defense and my health was full. It one shotted me

[@SuperREIGN20]

@@TheRookie01010 OH maybe it depends on the group size as well. I played with just my friend and we were able to soak it.

[@yellowmountaincultivator7114]

*forging AT Nergi armor set Friend: What did it cost? Me:Everything

[@applenetwork6542]

@Cyrit but underrated

[@Grunker1]

Bruh this gets a like

[@LivingShadow35]

It really did cost everything I have...

[@TastyChurro]

All my Max Portions!

[@nodebuh2026]

Lol!^^

[@AkantoreX]

A few things: 1. I did not coin the term "Pepega Slam." People have been calling it this way, well before I even thought of making this video. 2. The fights in MHW are only tolerable, because monsters die so quickly. That's why some AT monsters are so much worse than some of their normal counterparts, despite not changing their behaviour/moveset at all. A good example is Kushala, Teostra and Vaal. To make ATs a truly better fight, you have to change more than just HP and attack stats. 3. I extensively talked about unbalanced attacks in the video, but I failed to mention that a lot of the combat in MHW seems to be balanced around mantles. Once they run out, heck, even while they're still active, flaws become glaringly obvious. 4. I watched a few boss fights from older games I've played, like the Fromsoft games, where attacks can be massive in size, look flashy and can still be easiyl avoided with a well timed roll, block or parry. 5. I wouldn't critique this game so much if I didn't care. I do care, which is why I even bothered making this video. 6. Thanks for watching. Buy my shirt. The one I am wearing right now.

[@klydertyman]

Does ur shirt comes with your odor lmao. Feelsweirdman

[@he_buck1929]

Well... jus do like me and the other vets try to play without mantles kmsl I barely use then and do fine jus takes a little getting used to even tho I'm already used to it lol

[@eemanemm]

I just vented the same frustration on reddit www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunterWorld/comments/by6n4m/only_able_to_down_at_nergigante_with_lbg_n2_how/? and then your video comes out... :)

[@sp0el]

Iframes in Souls games are godlike when compared to MH - you don't need that much practice to use them efficiently. They also are the best answer to an incoming attack in 95% of situations - the other 5% being a parry or spacing due to lingering hitboxes. So efficient gameplay consists of rythmically hitting dodge and R1. In MH I can't a roar I saw hundreds of times - seeing how speedrunners like you dodge them effortlessly always puts me in awe. But in the end, as MH has lower s, I always felt that it is much more about correct positioning in advance than reacting to an attack with simple input at the very second it is meant to hit you. Hitzones make it even more important. So even though both games have huge bosses, the process of getting yourself in the position of commiting to an attack seems so much different to me. Thus I wouldn't use FS games as an example of MHW shortcomings. Sure, Souls speedruns are much more consistent than for MH, as dodging attacks is much easier and flashy attacks with long animations are rarely used, so you can't really overcommit like with CB's SAED. Obviously, this doesn't change the fact that some of things in MHW are bullshit and pepega slam and Lunastra random flames are the bullshitiest bullshit this game has. It is amazing how AT Nerg is still a fun fight for me, despite all that. Lunastra isn't.

[@ken7432]

Hope they will fix these issues in Iceborn

[@ShatteredDimension220]

Whoever thought of AT nerg backflip slam must be effin sadistic.

[@volkerball85]

That's pretty much the only thing keeping me from beating the little shit. No telegraphing, no warning, just SPLAT dead.

[@Saicofake]

slightlyoutofreach01 this fucker made me use lance only. The only weapon currently that allowed me to kill him without getting fucked by those slams.

[@jzzy107]

I didn't mind AT Nergigante for the most part and even the Pepega Slam. The only thing that is insane is that he gets faster throughout the fight and if you let him get to his lair he is damn near impossible to fight straight up.

[@ShatteredDimension220]

@VanHilz yeah, the part after he limps to his nest is the most dangerous imo. Me and my teammates died from losing focus for a moment or bad positioning or because of his questionable hitboxes.

[@Walamonga1313]

Jus roll towards where he was when he jumps. It's actually pretty easy to do but hard to read if that makes sense. By easy I mean that you can consistently avoid it just by rolling in that direction, but the hard part is being in the middle of a move and then he attacks (or in multiplayer where you don't know who's targeted).

[@jalfire]

Funny AT Lunastra story... So I was going pretty smooth with the fight for a solo managing to survive a supernova and a Teostra bond. She hobbled off into the place with the falling crystals and I absolutely decimated her cause I'm a hammer main and don't give stuns lightly. She started to limp, went to the final area to sleep, and I got off a decent wake up hit. I died all three times after that without landing a single hit

[@Howard2k3k]

Jalfire the exact same thing happened to me. Did ragequit the game for a few days after lol

[@GrayFoxHound9]

With AT Nergi, Kushala and Luna The safest strat is to barrel bomb/farcaster them after they start to limp

[@werecoth]

She becomes Hyper aggressive there.

[@KuroiRayo]

Nah bro. Me and my buddy (we'll call him S) were 2 manning AT Luna. Yes we're not smart we like doing dumb things. It went decently at first. He ran glaive I ran hunting horn for them buffs. It was one of the rarity 8 taroth horns that has good songs to help counter luna, he ran true gae bolg. It took us over 30 minutes of cheek clenching and running around to get her to limp away with 2 carts left. (I was the one cart, got too close then she nova'd when I was at half health) We were both executed in the last 5 minutes when we got her into a corner. She bamboozled us into a trap, because she lept over us, and nova'd again. We couldn't make it out in time or out heal her and ate our last 2 carts

[@glaiveking2530]

Simple, just dont let her retreat. Crystal burst or flash. Using bow this fight has been the easiest Arch Tempered ive gotten with a one digit time.

[@omnichron3374]

5:19 You forgot that all the monsters read button inputs. It's how they know to roar to cancel your moves. Datto, or prod tested it. Sorry I forgot which one. Great video. Subscribed.

[@blackdragon5274]

Link please?

[@omnichron3374]

@@blackdragon5274 I can't find the clip, but Capcom is notorious for stuff like this kzbin.info/www/bejne/opK4cpp7itqhqas How many times has a monster roared and interrupted a level 3 move? Roared, ran 5 meters pause 10 seconds then start fighting again? Ruiner Nergigante has a roar loop that will run out your meter too. Capcom cheats.

[@21silva90]

@@blackdragon5274 i dont need a link to know this is the truth. I keep telling my friend this, everytime i do a helm splitter on say teostra , he will full send run across the map even though there is no one where he ran too, and either hit me while im in the air or ill completely miss because he ran away. I call it anti helm splitter bullshit and it happens with other weapons with big attacks as well, they definitely read your inputs. same when you clutchclaw the head and they immediately go into a bit attack

[@blackdragon5274]

@@omnichron3374 oh, I believe you, I just wanted to see how to avoid it and counter play

[@omnichron3374]

@ Black Dragon After Ruiner Nergigante did the roar loop on two different hunts I just started wearing ear plugs. My hunts go quicker because my damage is uninterrupted.

[@Greez1337]

Not a fan of the "difficulty" of late game being Getting two shotted or swiped by bullshit hitboxes. Like, there are a bunch of attacks with great telegraphs....and loads with a millisecond to respond.

[@SpeedfreakUK]

If there's no telegraph then you just have to respect that attack and not be there.

[@cuddlecakes7153]

They made it worse in Iceborne

[@BurdenofTheMighty]

@ㅤㅤ dude the time limits in this game are total steaming shit. Fulgur Anjanath investigation threat level 2. 20 fucking minutes to complete it. That’s a smoke breaks worth. Piss poor game design

[@BurdenofTheMighty]

@ㅤㅤ 50 minutes should be the baseline time limit. Monsters should be more difficult by making the fights more intense by increasing their moveset and speed, not by putting the player on a leash and pumping the monster with bloated Hp and making them hit like a freighter carrying 50 atom bombs. Hp and damage buffing is a symptom of not knowing how to increase difficulty in an interesting way. Its the exact same fight, just more damage and health and less time to do it. That’s why i call it piss poor game design.

[@ulink265]

@ㅤㅤ for me at velkhana was an amazing fight almost every attack has a big window to hit It and the bug attacks had a big window to use the super man dive and with divine blessing 5 (wich you should have if you use at least two pieces of fatalis gear) she kills you in two to four hour keeping the fight tense

[@YoshiTheOreo]

The only issue i have with these AT elder dragons is their nuzzles do WAAAAY too much damage. Don't get me started on Testro, his kind of tracks.

[@knightenchanter7908]

The damage is fine, but when you combine their damage with their speed it becomes problematic. Which is where the problems with AT Nergi and Luna lies. They have VERY tricky hitzones (seriously the worst in the game), they are incredibly fast and their fast rapid attacks hits hard and have one shot potential. That's just bad balancing.

[@lae2640]

@@knightenchanter7908 takes the fun out of the game...

[@Toetech0]

wait, you mean teostra nuzzle is unfair?.. jesus you just gotta dodge to the side and it won't hit you. AT teostra is the only one i've fought so far tho. But it felt really easy tbh. if the others are as difficult as teo. i don't see a reason why people complain.

[@XUmbraMoonX]

@@Toetech0 AT Nerg is fucking hard as shit.

[@knightenchanter7908]

@@Toetech0 AT Teo is no different than Tempered Teo if you take Earplugs. It just takes more time to kill. AT Luna on the other hand is complete BS compared to Tempered Luna. Dodgy hitzones, her flames cover the whole floor, her nova is just broken and worst of all. You'll often get interrupted by a fucking AT Teo during that quest. So it ends up bring AT Luna+AT Teo v you for some time.

[@gojeran]

Thanks for this. I’ve chatted with people about the instant slam and while I don’t think it’s too bad the worst part for me is how spammable Capcom allowed it to be. The move wouldn’t be such an issue if there was an some sort of internal cooldown before it’s next use. As it is I’ve died countless times to none stop dive spam. Even with guard 5 and dash juice if you block the first one and he spams the move (which he can and does) by the 3rd slam you are likely dead or close. Don’t over commit is bullshit to, I’ve been hit many times with draw attacks just taking my weapon out- it’s like I swear the game input reads the second I do anything it’s dive bomb time.

[@DrowsyPotato]

I'm guessing you are using a lance or gunlance? If you have around 500 armor, 3 guard(you can use 5 if you want to) with 3 divine blessing you garanteed won't die by the pepega slam. Using this setup you can also block the dive attack with almost no dmg done to you + you dont need Guard Up gem. The slow slam from standing up attack still hurts but the rest will only scratch you! :) I'm also using three health augments on my gunlance. And everyone, remember to move while blocking to let it regain stam in between the hits. Thought I'd let all people with shields know about this setup. It works great!

[@Walamonga1313]

@@DrowsyPotato I can attest to this. Beat him first try with one cart using my trusty Gunlance

[@MrOnex80]

the funny thing is that, his quick instant spammed pepega slam is stronger then his long telegraphed big dive bomb. I don't get pushed back with dive bomb but I always got pushed back a lot when guarding his pepega slam

[@GuyWithAnAmazingHat]

I used to think that some monster moves can be "too fast" until I compared it to fighting games and listened to Daigo making decisions under 4 frames to react to

[@angelgutierrez9581]

@@GuyWithAnAmazingHat fighting games are very different to monster hunter, fighting games are very fast paced so blocking is typically easier and your moves are also faster, in monster hunter, your moves are very slow and can't be fully interrupted along with the fact that depending on your weapons, you sometimes only have the dodge roll/ dive available to evade damage, so you're not just reacting to "frames" like in fighting games, you're trying to find out the exact move the monster is using so that you can time it correctly. So even though you see a move coming in MH you're having to decide what to do and sometimes you're character can't do anything about said move because they're in the middle of an animation. This of course isn't downplaying fighting games, they're really hard too obviously, just showing you that you can't really compare two entire different game genres.

[@littlegiantrobo6523]

I agree with the theory that the AT monsters were not planned at all, but they found the game was much more popular than they thought, and more people were playing it longer than they thought, so they tried to throw in some sort of content quick fix as sort of a bonus.

[@Molisa682]

Ok but the fact that they just threw that content in there and never fixed it even though they had all the time in the world to do so is unacceptable

[@nickrodriguez9935]

I’ve had instances where I’ve been oneshot with 200 hp 500~ defense

[@mastadon1154]

Giving you an F for respect. I know how that goes.

[@phenix2403]

Tempered lunustra...

[@mastadon1154]

@Anima that only helps so much mate. Especially her arch tempered version get caught her in nova then all that fire defense is for nothing, they really need to buff it more so hunters can actually survive stuff like that. Once that nova starts and your right there near it your health bar practically melts away in seconds.

[@bongzong9824]

Same here. I Always Play 200HP 470armor + and AT Nerg finished me of with full HP, with a tailwhip. I was so fucked up, I've never tried him again.

[@mastadon1154]

@@bongzong9824 Don't give up my dude he is tough but he can be overcomed I recommend him solo he doesn't spaz out as much when it is in a team.

[@chowderdx]

I actually like arch Vaal Hazak. I think it's a pretty good way to keep people aggressive. (If they have the Regen augment) plus Vaal is really slow, so it becomes a game of staying as agro as possible.

[@Bloodhurl67]

AT Vaal was a really fun fight and AT done right imo

[@skylineguy376]

The only problem I have with AT Vaal is that he has no quick moves. Everything he does leaves him wide open and once you know the fight you can just farm him endlessly while watching twitch. He's the easiest elder and the easiest AT by far.

[@Bloodhurl67]

@@skylineguy376 Then you clearly haven't fought AT Great Jagras. Nah jokes aside AT Vaal Hazak really is the easiest I've fought tbh

[@skylineguy376]

@@Bloodhurl67 haha yeah, that greatest chungus is pretty fun.

[@stehlik]

AT Hazak is my favorite as well, as opposed to sheer stupidity of Lunastra and Xenojiiva and mainly huge disappointment of No-fun-at-all-left-gigante

[@UnholyDarknessZ]

Monster Hunter World's difficulty design essentially boils down to "Oh shit, we made the game too easy, time to dump in some unreasonable difficulty!"

[@flippeh232]

Right, I feel like they should have double downed on the accessibility at the very least rather then creating this Frankenstein of a difficulty curve. I'm really hoping Iceborne will serve as a bit of a reset button for them with G-rank pretty much making HR gear obsolete but knowing them they will probably just make G rank versions of all the fights lol.

[@cristobalmella7949]

And past game difficulty is fine? I don't see people crying about the supposed to be good endgame apex and deviants, those fights are even worse than any AT.

[@flippeh232]

Cristobal Mella Apex was pretty awful but I thought deviants were fine. It helped that the design of deviant quests were to just be hunted a billion times so if you were trying to craft and cap the upgrades on the gear you’d know the monster’s fight in and out by the time you got to the actually challenging fights, plus the numerous tools you have at your disposal for avoiding damage at all times in XX/GU ie valor and adept.

[@UnholyDarknessZ]

@@cristobalmella7949 > Apex and Deviants > Worse than AT or World Lunastra Lul. Deviants would've been annoying if they were chucked into an ordinary MH game but they weren't - Hunter Arts and Styles were equally OP. It's simply a matter of learning and adapting to the new shenanigans that every Deviant's capable of. Apex were the superior Tempered. Frenzy Virus was a double-edged sword for the monsters and considering how effective mounting was in 4, playing aggressively's hardly an issue. AT's hardly the only issue World has either.

[@ryaquaza3offical]

ATs don’t really bother me but the crossover monsters (extreme behemoth and ancient leshen) with their multiplayer scaling, instant kill attacks, terrible mechanics, DPS checks all with 3 stocks and 4 players meaning even if you play perfectly you’ll still fail regardless, yea that is just unforgivable. Soloing ATs can be fun at times, these guys, not so much

[@Synkotic90]

They artificially inflated the difficulty yes.

[@Leo-np7sf]

AT MONSTERS BEFORE ICEBORNE: we are the most powerfull monsters in the entire game AT MONSTER AFTER ICEBORNE: No hunter Please Noooooo!!!

[@jordanwilliam3207]

I would insert Karma's devil face to all these Arch-Tempereds with my Master Rank gear.

[@attorneygeneral4719]

Leo a great jagras will be tougher than all the at monsters in the game

[@sambathchhum8738]

MASTER RANK AT ELDERS IN ICEBORNE: *chuckles in triple cart*

[@jordanwilliam3207]

@@sambathchhum8738 I hope not tbh, Arch-Tempereds are just dumb at best, just like Apex Monsters.

[@wallacesousuke1433]

@@jordanwilliam3207 AT Xeno is cool though, only issue is the quest time almost too short for soloing it

[@slumburger1145]

AT Lunastra and AT Nergigante: We're the most annoying fights in the series! Plesioth and Khezu: Yare Yare Daze... *Hip-checks and Roar Spams you to death*

[@ozozo12345]

You earned a cookie 🍪

[@wallacesousuke1433]

AT monsters manage to be even worse than those guys :D

[@knightenchanter7908]

AT Luna and Nergi are worse.

[@samuelpearson]

Plesioth hip check hit box was ridiculous!!

[@GDaleTattoos]

I dont really get the hate for the plesioth hipcheck. Though i do get the hate for khezu roar if you dont have HGE.

[@alonelysheep675]

I was struggling with AT Teos and Xeno last week because of carting, decided to solo them and it went smoothly. This week when Kushala and Nergi come i thought "Oh this gonna be easy since i have no problem soloing them". Now i just wish someone to carry my sorry ass.

[@aidenlin2817]

Wat Dafuq honestly It’s gonna be hard to find good random player. If one is good one probably won’t wanna join other because death count is shared. Solo is definitely better. I found tool specialist and health boost 3 to be really useful in the fight. You can just spam evasion/rocksteady mantle and temporal mantle with tool specialist

[@hariman7727]

Kushala is tricky because wind protection, and AT Nergi is designed for a hyper aggressive positioning based counter style that most people don't use. He's hard, but it's possible to beat him.

[@Hybris_MH]

This is so cathartic. Better than my therapist, thanks CB daddy

[@maikeru-san69]

or cb *mommy* ? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@AkantoreX]

There are too many people to respond to individually, but let me say this: Everyone who watches this video and thinks, without a shred of irony, that I made this video because I think he is too difficult or that I can't beat him, has the attention span and comprehension of a guppy. Takes 5 seconds to go to my channel and see that I've been speedrunning this franchise for 10 years. Heck, I even showed it in the video. I guess if your head is so far up your ass that you can manually start your bowel movement by talking, then you wouldn't be able to hear and see my points. Also people seem to lack the understanding of deep combat design. MHWorld barely has any and it shows when you inflate stats. Telling others to just use more defensive sets or to switch weapons also entirely miss the points I made across the video. I thought about leaving out clips where I kick Nergis ass at all, since that might make some people think ATN is not that bad at all. Turns out I should've put in even more, considering some self proclaimed "veterans" (something good players would never call themselves) can't even differentiate between good and god awful gameplay. This video was also made from the PoV of a casual MH consumer and not a speedrunner, so going for the low hanging "he uses no defensive skills, TA runner glass cannon builds XD" fruit is cringeworthy beyond belief. The hypocrisy of players saying "let me play how I want," trying to lecture others to use Defense+ as a workaround for shit game design, while throwing an autistic fit when others tell them that their set can be optimized, without losing any of their precious life saving skills, is unreal. That being said, 85% of the reception was stellar, so my hope for this community is semi restored. I could make a video responding to comments, but I feel people have made up their minds and even if you tell them that the sky is blue they'll still insist it's diarrhea green, because their gut feeling tells them so. Also, I wanted to educate people about something (I assumed) was clear as day. Apparently not. Can't believe people are arguing about Cheap One shots being unfair or not. It literally can't be easier than: Non telegraphed one shot = bad. "N-no, I-i never carted to it. I just so happen to have no proof for it, wait, I don't have to provve anything to YOU, I'm a fourth fleet elite :D." Don't forget kids, don't overcommit, you might get sniped by something at any time. Better stand still and play dead. You might be done with one hunt by the time the sun stops burning. Cheers :)

[@billylee4460]

Well if you're only going to make a point on the negative aspect of these AT monsters without mentioning the positive point in the actual video, then you are most likely going to get the negative reception out of it. The video don't seem give out much in terms of irony so most probably felt like you were complaining. Then again most are probably not quick enough to catch on to it. Or they just want to watch and judge this exact video without having any relationship to none of your other videos. Which or what ever it may be, I don't think anyone meant to insult or offend you. Well I can't say for all considering the internet is a wonderous place, but yeah I think most are just genuine advices and points. Happy Hunting!

[@AkantoreX]

You might be right in some regards, but there's not much to take from "lol git gud" and "let me guess, you never played older games? huh... I'm a veteran... g-rank will... heh.. eat you alive.. heh" aside acting superior with no basis to do so.

[@yannickandrle7402]

Frankly - you said there is no way to negate the DOT from VH? That is wrong. Use the Torch Pods. They are everywhere for the fight and by shooting them at the ground, you get a DOT safe zone. If you have 2-4 players, you can easily rotate usage and thus completely negate a majority of the DOT over the whole fight - Easiest AT ED.

[@AkantoreX]

Torch Pad help with Miasma, not Effluvium. Me saying that they are bad or good ATs, does not mean they are good or bad fights. I like fighting ATVaal, he is not difficult, but he is a horribly laz AT. Stronger Effluvium, that's it? :ok:

[@yannickandrle7402]

@@AkantoreX ''and thus completely negate a majority of the DOT over the whole fight''

[@thepublicpotato3887]

Silver rathalos let me introduce my self

[@at-bazelgeuse]

???? hes not hard at all ya know??

[@chadchadiel2344]

He was easy as normal rathalos

[@juddakooda9520]

You sound like hawkeye gough from darksouls 1 lol

[@immortalsausages5501]

Ahh, Monster slaying, a hunter's highest calling

[@Dzombic_]

lmfao yes

[@TheLast7Eevees]

Bruh, that bit with the "just get more defense" analogy killed me xD

[@howshegoingeh7708]

The thing i hate aabout AT monsters is not the hyper agression, it's that they spam one move over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

[@calfae01]

I'm calling it right now, AT Velkhana is going to be some BS.

[@alexandregiaccheri]

ikr

[@stevenbeltran7927]

Lets hope they remove arch temp system in Iceborn

[@danielz6177]

Or arch tempered fatalis

[@Chwarzerd]

@@danielz6177 AT fatalis just sounds like a spamfest. I'm more worried about a super extremoth

[@MXXR35000]

@@Chwarzerd super extremoth? Shit I havent tried extremoth yet

[@ArtumTsumia]

The Tempered and Arch Tempered fights rather turned me off from the game and I'm rather worried about how they're going to factor into _Iceborne._ I'm no stranger to realizing that I need to "Git Gud" when it comes to certain monsters in the series, Fatalis and his ilk didn't go down remotely easily back in the day, but _MHW_ soured things more than they needed to with these monster versions. Tempered monsters are still reasonably balanced, though the incentives for doing those fights over normal versions is (was?) lacking. Arch Tempered tries to address that by adding monster specific gear to craft, but it's still not much of a better "end game" for the player. I'm sure I'll enjoy going through _Iceborne,_ but hopefully they don't carry over the current lazy "end game" design.

[@biggiins5610]

ArtumTsumia I agree, and I feel like not killing most of the AT’s (only solo’d 2 being teo and Vaal) I’m not ready for iceborne. Thing is, I don’t wanna bother with arch tempered ED’s I don’t need their gear as I am a gs main with the drachen set. However, part of me is saying I shouldn’t get iceborne as the difficulty spikes would just fly up.

[@BlackShield24]

I agree with this. I remember when Lunastra and Kulve Taroth premiered, I was worried about the direction of the game, then Behemoth worried me more, because Kulve and Behemoth were just time sinks to keep player count high. I remember finished AT Teostra and just being absolutely fried with the game, I took a break and then I read about Behemoth(Extreme) and I officially was done with MHW until Iceborne. They've cranked up the artificial difficulty so high in MHW with the AT content, that people just play the most broken build they can find to cruise right through it. I mean, I just don't see a point in playing MHW when I can't play a weapon I enjoy because it can't speed run a monster.

[@isidorodaviddoro1920]

@@BlackShield24 bro i am using the lunastra set with defense upgrades and damage decorations plus fire defense decorations(40 fire defense)but i was fighting against the event tempered lavasioth(the One that drops decorations) but i was killed by 1 or 2 hits This isn't fair at all why is this game trying to punish US so much i have good gear i am also using demon drugs etc but nothing works ,the normal lunastra is op her final attack (supernova)covers all the map if you are close to her you are dead She can also kill you with One or two hits yes her normal version(behemoth is op too),lmao This game artificial difficulty is annoying i quit

[@ArtumTsumia]

@@isidorodaviddoro1920 The introduction of the Temporal Mantle is part of the problem here and I imagine all tied together. I'm not certain if they made the end game so strong because of the mantle or if they made the mantle because the end game is so strong. Regardless, it's something that is going to vastly impact the balance of _Iceborne._ With a few exceptions, the various specialized tools have always been optional and players have had a decent amount of choice in which they equipped. I'm not too certain how they can correct for that in _Iceborne_ outside of removing or reworking the Temporal Mantle completely.

[@marcogomez289]

@@ArtumTsumia Good news, they've already nerfed it. The time has been increased to 120 seconds, but each time the effect is triggered the remaining time is reduced by a significant amount. This means that now you only get a maximum of five free dodges before the mantle runs out.

[@thisperson345]

You have the single deepest voice I've ever heard a human have

[@Someone_KhabibbeatsJonesEASILY]

Red Pepper and me :)

[@sambathchhum8738]

Beat AT Nerg in my first run with him yesterday. After losing 2 carts and finally sending him to sleep, I had to resort to the classic move of bomb-n-run and made countless trips back to camp before I finally bombed him to death in his sleep.

[@ZZMonkeysUncleZZ]

Vaal's not too bad. You just need to kite him out of his effluvium cloud once he puts it down. If you can handle regular Luna, AT Luna is fine, with one MAJOR exception that anyone can guess. Bring wind resist, Astera Jerky, and spam Panic Dive. For Kush, save yourself a ton of headaches and solo with bowgun/bow and earplugs for the constant roaring. Nerg has the Pepega Slam. There's literally no effective way to deal with it. It's probably the single most bullshit move in the whole game.

[@erinmoody9892]

Hunting horn and high defense for nerg

[@irvancrocs1753]

When you are in doubt, gunlance is the answer..

[@joeymac4302]

I got five tickets by doing aerial IG, with a blasting mark on the wings. I know, it's a year old thread, but it's a super easy way to beat him, and what I would consider an effective "counter". Is being forced to change your weapon really any different than having to change your armor to negate wind, just to beat a particularly cheesy monster?

[@LloydTheZephyrian]

@@joeymac4302 Weapons are drastically different from armor. If someone consistently used dual blades for example and gets beaten into oblivion, the solution shouldn't just be to pick up another weapon, which will probably due worse due to inexperience. If I change my armor to adjust for the monster, I'm still wielding the lance, a weapon I generally feel comfy with. But if I HAVE to throw the lance away for a cheesy-ass bowgun build in order to reasonably finish the quest, then we have a problem.

[@jet-blackjo2455]

@@LloydTheZephyrian sounds like skill issue to ne ngl. Who only plays one weapon?

[@WH40KHero]

Actually i think AT Vaal Hazaks more deadly miasma was a great additon to the fight, really highlighting the destructive nature of the creature. Yes, it was somewhat annoying to deal with, but it made the fight much more interesting. Vaal is definitively on my good list

[@Sleksin]

I found it introduced a neat aspect of positioning, balancing your entry into the effluvium with avoiding the beam attack. Yeah, kinda annoying, but it was neat and not that bad.

[@skylineguy376]

Also since all his attacks are super broadcasted and slow, if he didn't have that he wouldn't ever hit you with anything.

[@hariman7727]

Especially alone, as he's much harder in a group.

[@Forkontheleft]

If the shrek instant slam had even a subtle tell I think complaints about the move would almost dissapear

[@justanotherhunter6634]

It seems like pepega slams big issue is it interrupts the flow, ur stun locking him avoiding all his attacks he cant hit u, then suddenly he gains super speed, ur momentum is SHATTERED, is health is suddenly low and now YOURE on the defensive, thats a game changing attack

[@ZZMonkeysUncleZZ]

No, pepega's issue is that it has no tell and almost no windup, hits very hard, can be spammed up to six times in a row with no downtime in between, and can be instantly chained into from ANY of his other attacks. I tested, and even sns attacks are too slow to be able to dodge if he attacks while you do, meaning every other weapon class is fucked. The only way around it is to only attack Nerg after he uses a move with a long recovery time. If you attack at a time when he's also able to do so, you're asking to eat a slam. This, of course, allows nerg to buff himself which makes the fight more difficult still. This one attack breaks Nerg's unique game mechanic by forcing you to play defensively.

[@HeroChao132]

This video taught me an awful lot, not just about the monsters, but about how you can charge the Sword too.

[@hazeddon]

If you are trying to learn charge blade you should look up the guide by arrekz gaming. He goes over everything.

[@hariniranjan3086]

Actually the mini dive bomb is not as deadly as the tailspin nergie does in stage 3 which can cart an entire team..

[@Walamonga1313]

Tailspin killed more of my teammates than anything else.

[@Hollow_555]

instead of attempting to give my 2 cents on a feature i have not dabbled in since i disagreed with the direction of ATs from the beginning, i'll just say this: Thank you for being our Sapphire Star habibi

[@MrDeathadder01]

For those who want to know what the hell is this charge blade. It's a mod called "Old World Weapon Collections Charge Blade" you'll find it on nexus mod ;) It's replacing existing weapon appearence

[@kumokujaku8802]

AT Nerg's one-hit-wonder attack is purely a way for Nerg to say "Oh, you thought you were doing well? Yeah, here comes the real fight mf, the fight for SURVIVAL, BITCH!" I love AT Nergigante, he is, in my opinion, the best AT. So damn exhilarating.

[@jakestandifer1756]

If Nergigante had a human voice, yours would be it.

[@ishy858]

Aerial Glaive is how you do it to em. Aerial Glaive drags on the fight but its really safe since you can yeet over pepega slam and most of his moves. Fight is about 23 minutes of MonkaS.

[@Goji-Moji]

Counterargument: Nergigante doesn't seem to have been designed with TA in mind. While I have insane trouble with Nergi alone (no cat) or without mantles, adding either one (particularly the cat, which I normally hate bringing to almost *any* other hunt)... feels great, honestly. A common complaint about World in general is that there are too many things that make the game easier. I agree. Rather than creating a fight that's challenging when you handicap yourself to make the game harder, Nergigante seems geared to make the game hard when you use everything to your disposal. The temporal and rocksteady mantles should have never been made. They were, and Nergigante wants you to use them and still feel something of a challenge. The game isn't actually made for TA rules. I think you acknowledged this in your comment and I'm sure other comments have mentioned it, but I think it's still a worthwhile point. The pepega slam is infinitely more tolerable when you have a cat around, in my experience. It doesn't seem like it was geared for a true solo. There's an argument to be made that all content should be soloable without any help, but I'm not sure that's possible while maintaining challenge with more to your advantage (multiplayer scaling speaks to this, though I don't think it was implemented properly at all), and technically it's possible to solo Nergi anyway. On my part, unless I'm deliberately handicapping myself, I find that AT Nergi practically goes down faster than the other ATs. Probably because my runs aren't perfect on the others or anything, but I think ~11 minutes for a normal run is decent. (That was the run when I first cleared him, and by the time the event rolled away, I didn't get much faster) I think also a speedrunner's perspective is different, having to run it over, and over, and over, and over, difficulty that doesn't feel "fair" becomes more grating, rather than the typical reward a more typical player feels upon clearing at all. For this matter I'm quite surprised you hate Vaal, if it makes sense. It's all subjective, and I'm something of a masochist, but I quite love AT Nergigante, and quite makes me fear and respect the monster. I want to feel like the monsters have capabilities that I can barely deal with, and realistically Nergi move so fast I can barely keep makes a lot of sense. AT's shouldn't fee like anything less than terrifying forces of nature in my mind, and it's not like anything has been worse than Gogmazios in terms of running around whittling on infinite HP trying to not get one-shot, and I like Gog. As much as I know it often enough acts like an HP check and there's little I can do, I have largely gotten used to and adjusted to the pepega slam. Though I've never seen him chain it like he did in your video, that's actually hilarious. I'd probably hate him too if I had to deal with that. XD Nergigante is one of the few AT monsters I found myself looking to fight for fun after I had all of his gear and the layered armor. I really think he's fun-the ultimate balancing act and culmination of what I've learned playing the game. But then I also like soloing Behemoth. Just my opinion though.

[@Adeon55]

Agreed. I'm a casual player whose character didn't defeat the base game all that long ago, and hasn't done much afterward (never defeated KT, gotten the new meta gear or anything - don't even have an augmented weap yet). I came back to the game after a month or so of not playing at all just to try soloing AT Nerg, and my rusty butt downed him on the 2nd attempt, only carting once (1st attempt was w/ IG, 2nd was GL). And not from a pepega slam, but because I tried to block through a dive bomb on low health, when I should've sheathed & superman dove. But I did use my palico, and a gajalaka which I refreshed when I had time, after he died. AT Nerg's tough obviously, but much less nerve-wracking with a cat buddy or two around to give you a breather and stay topped up when needed. Behemoth is much tougher to solo imo. What weap do you use for that, cluster bombs?

[@Goji-Moji]

@@Adeon55 Nah I play charge blade. It's why I follow AkantoreX in the first place, lol. He's an inspiration. Stage 4 gets to be pretty rough and there's generally just a lot of HP and low flinches to deal with, but doing that gets you really used to the idea of "I will get punished if I SAED, but I have to anyway", so the Pepega didn't come as anything new on that front, even if Behemoth doesn't have many moves that come out so instantly like that. I actually think (yes because of Pepega) that TA AT Nergi might be harder than TA Behemoth, but I haven't successfully done either yet (no mantle behemoth is pretty rough; cat is take it or leave it), so meh. Non-TA there's no question; Behemoth is much harder.

[@Goji-Moji]

Jordan William how are you going to have a hard time if you keep good track of the monster and it doesn’t punish you severely? You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Either it hits like a truck, it’s unpredictable/punished openings itself or otherwise difficult to dodge, or it’s not hard. AT Nergi does both at once and I see why people don’t like it but... I don’t have an issue with it. It’s not like you can’t actually keep track of Pepega, it’s that it’s hard to dodge, fast reaction and often you’re trapped in previous animations. But if it *weren’t* fast like that it would be a joke and nobody would be struggling at all. My greatest issue with Nergi is that his divebomb is basically pointless besides doing me a favor and getting rid of spikes. It basically can’t hit anyone who doesn’t have a shield and it doesn’t punish blocking it despite otherwise being a oneshot move. If I can trace another huge balancing issue for World honestly, it’s that the Superman dive got unbelievably and unnecessarily buffed from older games. It used to be if I Superman’d on Teostra while he was running around he’d just charge me when the s wore off and kill me. Now it’s just a “get out of jail free” card for basically the entire game.

[@Jotora]

My dude, can you share the CB set you used against AT Nerg?

[@lieutenantdan160]

Jotora wanted to know the same tbh

[@lionheartdeception62]

It's supposed to be Akantor meaning it's got to be a mod. Also, the Akantor weapons are known for very mediocre sharpness and I noticed the weapon had white. So, it's a poor mod as far as that goes. It should only have green sharpness and maybe blue with near max handicraft, but I do think it looks nice.

[@mrsanguini5819]

Chris Farmer Dude, the mod is only visual. The actual stats are from a weapon already in the game, likely Strongarm Horn (it probably reaches white sharpness from handicraft 5)

[@ryaquaza3offical]

Say what you want but they are still much MUCH better than the crossover bullshit fights because you can actually fight them solo and not worry about constant fails via team death. I miss the frenzy virus endgame tbh

[@Brynney]

Well personally, Lunastra's nova made me stop playing already before that AT was a thing. Doesn't look like I missed much.

[@lae2640]

These AT/Tempered have kinda made me lose interest for the game

[@werecoth]

Can I introduce you to the superman dive and Astera Jerky. Completely nullifies her Nova. Additionally fire resistance and wind pressure resistance if still having trouble.

[@Eggmith]

Yeah, besically the game is now a service game for tryhards.

[@jordanwilliam3207]

@@werecoth No need to, and it's still a shit designed attack. Teostra's Supernova in 4U is still infinite times more managable than that RNG based Hellflare.

[@dan4455]

Tbh.. i think this is my first time seeing AND hearing a speedrunner roast on monsters, also at luna vs glaive too OP

[@Walamonga1313]

More like whining

[@dan4455]

@@Walamonga1313 yo wala sup! You like illuminati appearing as far as thy eye can see

[@Walamonga1313]

@@dan4455 Lol only on certain topics

[@dan4455]

@@Walamonga1313 hows your thoughts ma dude? After watchi Iceborne E3?

[@Walamonga1313]

@@dan4455 Ehh they showed little but it's exactly what I expected. I'm guessing they'll spread info out throughout June, July and August to keep people hyped. E3 demos were a fun watch (and informative at least a little) but man were they cringeworthy. But then again, all E3 showcases are cringy 😂

[@JinFurai]

Very nicely done and articulated well.

[@orichalchem]

Dark Souls is too easy MHW: Hold my Max Potion..

[@wallacesousuke1433]

@Jace Hill there's no debate, AT Monsters as well as Behe are living hell, whereas in DS you only die if you are underlevelled/underequipped or new to the series (I love both series BTW)

[@TrevDawgRS]

@@wallacesousuke1433 There is a debate, and all of this is complete opinions. Both AT monsters or DS can be a complete joke if you know what you are doing. Artificial difficulty or difficulty done wrong is not a real thing.

[@wallacesousuke1433]

@@TrevDawgRS dont think so, with AT monsters sometimes RNG fucks you up (pepega slam anyone?), they all have massive HP, hit hard as a truck and we can't spam dodge like in Souls games.

[@maxamaxa194]

Been playing since mh2f. I think you guys just need to git gud lol.

[@koricthegreatwashedupfight9088]

My problem with that new nerg attack is he jumps behind me out of my camera, and I know to dodge to the right or whatever but sometimes my camera angle and direction of dodge be fucked yo

[@kfcbigbucket3854]

Luna you wear 3 kushala pieces for the wind negate and use astera jerky 1 or 2 times on the aoe I usually just end up supporting for that to keep a group alive. Works most of the time.

[@kfcbigbucket3854]

@@Anedime when groups are constantly having people dying because of luna's movements, a healer helps a ton. plus most people dont survive the aoe on their own. my set keeps the entire team alive through it. carrying teams through healing.

[@kfcbigbucket3854]

@@Anedime Yes there are people who support, that's why there's the "wide range" skill. When you have multiple groups where people just die when you call for an SOS to do the AT elder dragons, there's carries through heals. If you're BAD and don't understand that then that's on you, not me. I'm still hitting the dragons doing all the damage I can. Clearly you do not understand that some of the elder dragons like Luna/Teostra will target the same person in a group of 4 with multiple attacks in a row. It will kill them and has killed them and we end up getting 3 deaths and quest over because shit happens. Overall what i'm saying is, if you're bad and don't understand this, that's on you. Not me. I'm killing them every week and when someone else is the support set up or we don't need one I do 25-30% of the damage with my set ups. That's not getting carried. That's playing the fucking game.

[@meathir4921]

In defence of Nergigante and Vaal Hazak: Vaal Hazak himself is actually really easy to deal with. The DOT is something you have to manage. This is the whole point of the fight. Nergigante's new attack is mostly still reactable and easy to I frame due to low active frames. The thing that makes AT Nerg hard is that later on in the fight you always have to bear it in mind.

[@CptnCardboard]

Agree completely. Vaal is a lot easier when you remember to use torch pods on the regular effluvia that's around so you take less damage from the DoT. Nergi's backhop dive is so easy to avoid by simply always dodging to your character's right whenever he does it. It works every single time. Being killed by it is entirely a player's fault.

[@killareign124]

I appreciate the video. Especially the bit about Lunastra. I loathe that monster in it's entirety. Keep making vids

[@wallacesousuke1433]

With high fire resistance and full wind pressure resistance even the AT Luna is doable :)

[@markwinters946]

I don't think ATs are fun. Hopefully something different happens with IB.

[@hariman7727]

They don't always carry over systems and such from prior Monster Hunter titles, so they might not bring AT/Tempered into Iceborne.

[@charicole105]

I greatly dislike AT but I did really enjoy AT Nergi

[@ZZMonkeysUncleZZ]

Depends on how you approach them, and the quality of your team if you have one. Imo, the hr requirements for them should all be 100. Whenever I join an SOS that has someone under 100, I've found that it's almost guaranteed they are going to cart twice in minutes.

[@powwowken2760]

High Rank Arch Nergi wiped me while I was decked out in full MR gear... Literally the next day I unlocked Ruiner Nergi and beat him without breaking a sweat... I have similar feelings about Fatalis, like the fight isn't even that hard if it wasn't for the fact that if he sneezes you insta-die regardless of your build and personally I just don't find that to be "fun" by any definition of the word.

[@cristophermedina8749]

I’ve heard so many people complain about AT Nergigante for while, I’m surprised capcom hasn’t done anything about this fight to make it bearable or at least fun. Even in a group this fight is a fucking nightmare

[@weii6462]

You could pretty much say the exact same thing for MHGU and it's endgame hyper monsters. Soloing hyper G rank deviljho omegaLUL.

[@bio1368]

Nope, apex bois

[@tonyngo1885]

Hyper monsters don't have modified health to my knowledge and if they do, it's no where near as absurd as AT monsters. Further more, Hyper monsters have the unique mechanic of hyper spots which has many applications in the fight. Hitting hyper spots builds hunter art gauge faster while getting hit by an attack from a hyper spot will hurt A LOT. This is way more interesting than a simple damage buff because now you have to look out for certain attacks and it can change at any moment. Hyper monsters can also change the timing of their attacks which can really throw you off. I actually really enjoy Hyper monsters. Tempered monsters can go fuck off for being lazy an boring af. G rank hyper Zinogre is a perfect example of a hard as hell monster that is fun and not frustrating to fight.

[@cristobalmella7949]

@@tonyngo1885 Except that hyper monsters are hp sponges too, and with the random speed multiplier some attacks become instant if they were fast before getting the speed buff, old MH is also not fair in general, it's poorly made by a great number of reasons, especifically bigger hitboxes, clunky camera, weapons are clunkier, etc.

[@Fishy_1998yt]

Cristobal Mella I’ve been saying that shit for so long thank you

[@tonyngo1885]

@@cristobalmella7949 I've never had a hyper monster hunt go longer than 15 mins. Someone previously mentioned Hyper G rank Deviljho but Deviljhos in general are tanky dudes. Old school MH's terrible hitboxes is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. Name a hyper monster with an instantaneous attack you couldn't dodge. The only instance I've had of that is if I'm getting up from being knocked down and the monster is about to follow up. In which case, an immediate dodge or the use of an absolute evade HA can usually get you out. The fastest hyper attack I've seen is a Nargacuga tail swipe when he is standing still and even then it is managable.

[@Masamaki21]

I kinda got use to his ground slams after a while, just need the quick response to his leaps. Only real issues I had with Nerg were: People spamming flashpods at him just before he did his blackspike divebomb resulting in him having his black spikes for an unnecessary amount of time. People flashpodding him and the other AT monster resulting in no turf war and two AT monsters running around. AT Nerg was really fun to fight for me, He gave me an actual challenge compared to the other AT monsters.

[@lubbo5261]

Whats your opinion on Hazard and Risen Monsters?

[@Idothinkysaurus]

I have to object to AT Nergi's new move. It's extremely easy to dodge if you're on the lookout and you dodge towards his start-of-attack position (where he was when he jumped up to insta-gib you) or opposite to where he lands. The attack has a very nice and precise hitbox, which seems to be a trend with the new attacks that some of the ATs got. I will say that the nice hitboxes are kind of unfair, though. AT Xeno's explosive insanity is actually just a bunch of fancy straws of damage that you can walk between.

[@mahdude7826]

What works for me 90% of the time is if Nergi is facing you and slams, dodge right and you'll avoid it

[@Idothinkysaurus]

@@mahdude7826 That's a good way to dodge it, too. I hope we get hitboxes this nice in Iceborne.

[@jordanwilliam3207]

The problem is that slam could be chained from any attack randomly (except the meteor dive). Combo spammers like Azure Rathalos and Stygian Zinogre give you clear images about what attack would come next after the first attack, AT Nerg, on the other hand, could flawlessly chain any of it's attacks in random with the slam, be it the claw, tail swipe, backslide, or even the first AT slam. While the first slam might be easy to evade, it is impossible to predict the next slam. So, AT Nerg in a nutshell is to worry whatever the slam would come after x attack or not.

[@mahdude7826]

@@jordanwilliam3207 oh i know how bullshit that chain is. I main HH and i can never play a buff or cancel in time to avoid it, AT Nerg slam is cheese stinkier than a skunk

[@Idothinkysaurus]

@@jordanwilliam3207 I know exactly what you're talking about, but when there isn't a visualization, there's a sound effect. I'm assuming that's why AkantoreX gave a blank image with the roar/grunt Nerg makes when he does the insta-slam. [7:18] It's a unique sound that is your tell for what he's doing (which just so happens to be the insta-slam). One could say it's your only tell for that attack. This is a the case with pretty much every attack from every monster. Monsters typically make a certain sound while doing a certain attack, and this helps with distinguishing one attack from another when the animations are similar. It's a layer of attack telling that pretty much every game has, but it's something to keep in mind. Kind of unrelated, but it's almost impossible for me to disagree that when a monster combos, it's annoying. For me, I can't combo the monster when it moves so much, and as a result a combo on the monster's end is not fun. Especially Azure Rathalos, he just flies around and does attacks that nullify flash bombs, so you have to run really far away so he flies normally so you can flash him. Don't even get me started on tempered AR, because that's where a Behemoth style damage check is added with each flash. If you don't kill him shortly after your 4th and final flash, have fun watching him zip zap zoop everywhere for a few minutes while he's enraged. Waiting for him to become exhausted so you can bop him on the nose is the worst. I mean, you could throw rocks at him, but it's still one of the most "I'd quit to go do something else" parts of the fight.

[@fatpigeon7422]

This guy sounds like what would Nergigante would sound like if he could talk.

[@theunitydev5418]

Nergigantes.problem is that he has 5 times the health of a normal neru thats why he is agravating, if his hp was like 15 k it would have been way better

[@Saicofake]

I feel that tankiness is a poor excuse for a challenge.

[@ammoposada4427]

Just solo him woth a pance and shield jewel. Easy.

[@Walamonga1313]

@@Saicofake People literally complained every damn time that monsters died too fast and needed more HP

[@Saicofake]

Walamonga 1313 I wasn't though. My most memorable boss fights in games were actually faster but exciting fights. For instance, I seriously love the fights with Gascoine, Gerhman and Maria in bloodborne. Those fights, while difficult had that sense of 'dance' to it. AT Monsters are just tanky bossess with no pay offs whatsoever. To be honest, if tweaked abit, AT Nergi would be a fun fight, but as it is, the fight is just drawn out for the sake of drawing it out.

[@softie4495]

And this guy is why I main the Lance.

[@primeEmu16]

Lancing and prancing for life.

[@softie4495]

Just bring the Great Wall to every fight. It makes fights a lot easier :)

[@Geo07ism]

You can use Farcasters to avoid Lunastras special attack

[@mekannatarry1929]

Yep, although given how she spams the attack, most of the fight is flying away and running to the battle area, Sucks, man but that's why I don't bother fighting her lol.

[@Geo07ism]

@@mekannatarry1929 Plus time between quests to gather Farcaster crafting components. I just crafted all her equipment and haven't looked back since as I find her the most unfair fight in the game.

[@cristobalmella7949]

@@Geo07ism She's not unfair, she is fair but people don't learn her unique mechanics and some people need to build to counter her since she is dofferent to other monsters, if you take the time to learn her you will see how well made she is.

[@jordanwilliam3207]

@@cristobalmella7949 Shit hitzones (seriously, the wings for cutting weapons!?) Hypernova / Hellflare, one of the most RNG attacks in series, requires good Lunastra RNG, or you're screwed. There are multitude of solutions to avoid the Hellflare, but none of them are fixed solutions. As if the 4U G-Rank Crimson Fatalis level of DPS that covers a whole area (as opposed to Crimson Fatalis's, which only covers it's front) isn't enough, they dump those blue flames bursting in RNG. People complained that Teostra's Supernova in 4U was cancerous, then Lunastra's Hellflare is way worse than that. Accompanying Elder Dragon present in the Quest that will not leave the Quest after the Turf War or Bonding, and can only be removed by slaying it. Two Elder Dragons present in one Quest is something not even Frontier is so mindlessly insane enough to create, except for Kirin. *_Let's not talk about when Teostra enters the fray_* It is clearly apparent that you're just wearing a fanboy glasses, trying to advocate this kind of shit design, clearly being in denial by calling x things better the worse it is. Foolish, ignorant, and hypocritical player like you should cease to exist because you might destroy the series due to supporting this kind of shit design to be made ever again. Fixed, your view of standards is trash, end of story.

[@reddragon555555]

what charge blade is that? is that a Kulve weapon or is it a PS4 exclusive, because I have never seen it on PC.

[@Shya_Valliere]

It's a Modded Akantor CB

[@reddragon555555]

SadFace :(

[@CrackedFingersGaming]

Great video, well explained :) What charge blade is that you are using?

[@keigreatsword]

Content we really needed.

[@elginamador7977]

What armor set and weapon is it in the video?

[@Painted_J]

Akantor armour and CB mods

[@TheBlackShinigami]

I knew that was the akantor CG

[@billylee4460]

Honestly, you put up some good points, but you also have a lot of bad points. While I agree that some of AT monsters are damn near ridiculous to deal with but there is always way to get around. It may not be the way you like it tho. Nergy gets pissy? Better get out. Run. Block. Survive. Depends on how you build for it. If you go fight Arch Nergy with no earplug, no health, no survivability, only full on offensive and attack build, then you are asking for it. You gonna get one shot and stomp all over to death lol. As for weopons, not all weopon are meant to have the same equal chance of being effective in any given situation. Some are slower but will hit harder. Some do better with groups while other alone. Some does well with both while other just better in certain situations. You cant just bring a charge blade into an AT Nergy battle and expect to be able to dodge like a someone who brings a shield and sword to fight. Of course he is going to have a better time dodging because he is faster. But he gives up damage for that luxury. As far as group goes. You better off doing this with people you trust. Playing with randoms with no idea of how you play or how to tackle AT monsters will only result in hurting your composition. AT monsters are designed with intention of using everything you got at your disposal. Not just offensively but defensively as well. If you have to give up a window of damage for a chance of survibility then so be it. Better superman dive out of the way then going for that greedy SSAD. If your friends has to jump in and distract the monsters possibly taking the hit for you then so be it. If one of your mates or you has to play a wide spread healer all game than so be it. If one of you guys has to play crowd control piosoning, paralyzing or sleeping the monster all game then so be it. It is really up to you and how you play. If you plan on soloing then better go in there prepare and ready knowing that you gonna have a hard time. When I was soloing AT Nergy. I made sure to switch between sets, from paralyzing, poisoning, and sleep bombing him at least twice. Then mount and KO twice, and then finally bombing him a third time when he went for the sleep. I use everything at my disposal. Not just running in gun blazing swinging weopon wildly.

[@Setixir]

Look dude. You're posting this on a channel where a very good player plays this game. He knows what to do. Most people know what to do. His point still stands. The fact that nergi animation cancels is absolutely ridiculous. It takes an opening that he can decide to arbitrarily remove. This would be deal able if he couldn't just cancel into a spam attack and not slam you for having the audacity of trying to use an opening for an SAED. No matter what you do more than 80 percent of the fight is going to be you against AT nergi face to face and if that part is frustrating it's not a fun fight. It took me 3 attempts to kill the dude and my only thought afterwards wasn't elation of a job well done but the annoyance I'd have to kill this stupid monster more for the rest of the armor. I hated Lunastra for the same reason I hate Nergigante. Quick spam attacks that chunk you got 70 or more percent of your health with full buffs that can easily be chained into fuck you blasts or slams with no real way to deal with it.

[@billylee4460]

@@Setixir And you are talking to a guy who been playing MH since it was first released on the PS2 up to world. AT Nergy isnt really all that hard. Sure he annoying, but so is any other monsters when you don't want to use rights means to deal with it. Take Rathalos for example, you must flash bomb him out of the sky or otherwise you're just hurting yourself. Take Bazelgeese, better play range and you are pretty much force to, otherwise you're gonna make your fight harder. Black Diablos, bring sonic bombs and so on. But what do all these monster have common? Once you obtain the gears in their respectable level and max them out, they become easier. All you need for AT Nergy high HP, max out set of Y gamma armor or better, high defense, play careful, dont hard engage when he is enraged, and bring everything you got. More less the same for AT Luna, but get heat guard , fire resist, watch for her ultimate attack and the fight becomes less painful. But that doesn't mean that those fight won't have their annoyance. Its suppose to. There are suppose to be windows where the monster has the advantage and all you do is more less play defensive. Once those moments pass, you wail on the monster again. If you are not building to specifying counter the monster then you are asking for it. I am sure you are building to counter it and there fore fight easier.

[@homecomin]

@@billylee4460 You don't get the point. Of course you can make the fight easier with many things but that doesn't justifiy objectivly bad game design.

[@billylee4460]

@@homecomin but that is objective and base on your opinion. I dont get it? Oh I get it.There is no perfect way to balance a game design because then the monster would be too easy? Wouldnt it? Then where would your fun or in this case challenge be? There is nothing wrong with the AT monster. They are fine they way they are. If it's bad design and not fun to you then are playing the wrong game. Now if there no way to counter the AT monster then I can understand. However that isnt the case. And if it is still bad design to you then try being the in monster shoe for a second. You got to deal with mantles, flash bombs, aliment, crowd control, and etc four people wailing you. What do expect the monster is suppose to? Stand there and give you an easy window in every case every one can perfect dodge and time everything? The game would so fucking easy if that the case. Get out of here.

[@homecomin]

@@billylee4460 The problem isn't that there aren't many windows to attack. The problem is that after a certain point he gets so fast that there are pretty much no windows at all anymore. And if the only solution to this is a mantle with a 3 minute timer, that to me is bad game design.

[@Adu767]

AT Nergi basically forces you to rely on mantles so you don't get stomped/tremored repeatedly until death. If you don't have Rocksteady/Temporal mantles up, then your best bet at survival is just hit-and-run tactics and allowing the fight to drag on much longer. I still think AT Luna is worse because the only reliable counter to the supernova I've found was just to Farcaster immediately because it wasn't worth dealing with.

[@yukarithegapyoukai8191]

I liked vaal as it actually made me notice his gas mechanic. Additionally the health boost prevents him from just getting owned to quick. He's one of the ats I like most under xeno and others of course burn had fun

[@XanMH1]

P E P E G A S L A M You fainted, rewards decreased to zero, returning to base.

[@Inquisitor_Redacted]

I thought AT Val was pretty good. The effluvium was basically not an issue at all even in the tempered version. Making it a threat you have to actually prepare for made the fight feel the way I think it was intended to be.

[@johnvee4037]

Truth. That’s what I thought... “Wow, so his effluvia actually does something now...”

[@theundertalegamers9055]

But what if like you had a hammer and there was this ledge right and hitting the head did like stun damage right and also I didn’t know the white spikes meant better hit zones I just hit the head really hard until he died

[@jake88]

Literally this, dude intentionally makes the game harder for himself with TA rules and decides not to adjust his strategy in any way (he shows several clips of himself SAEDing at 10% health in neutral), if you just approach the ATs without trying to health augment through every hit and actually use your environment like the ledges in Recess they're very easy to deal with

[@theundertalegamers9055]

@@jake88 I didn’t really notice he was doin allat too busy hammering. ALSO I don’t even know what his complaints about lunastra were supposed to be because the clip just showed him failing to dodge the bite slide thing like 5 times in the exact same way, and the best part is I beat AT lunastra first try on ACCIDENT in a solo run because u was talking out of my ass saying regular Luna is easier than regular Teostra so I went and did the AT to “prove it” and then proceeded to actually win the fight ( still with a hammer )

[@itmetetri611]

Why does it sound like you use a voice changer?

[@megamario3696]

I felt the AT Nergigante one. I reenacted the scene where team dai-gurren get's massacred in space. It was horrible...

[@roco5484]

The tolerance for fxxk ups is too low for AT monsters to be fun in solo farming IMO. Speed running is another thing (sometimes only 1 decent run every 20 attempts), I just want to be able to solo farm the monster with at least constant win rate after “gitting gud” like Souls games. Like you said, every boss’s devastating attack in From’s game can be countered after learning from mistakes, but how do you counter Luna’s random BS supernova CAPCOM??? >:(

[@TheKamoGaming]

You can do this with AT nerg especially. When he dropped on console I went in and got my ass handed to me for at least 2 hours straight. I was running it with CB then I got used to at and proceeded get 6 Ws in a row. 6th run was double tickets, bless rnjesus

[@benedictcarter8095]

Wear 3 piece kushala and spam superman dive.

[@silk9649]

astera jerky goes a long way

[@TheKingIzumi]

I just lay down until it ends.

[@message2god]

Just use farcaster and sip some tea.

[@fromeggman]

Inb4 Arch-Tempered White Fatalis comes in Iceborne and OHKO's AT Nergigante right in front of us.

[@Shence10]

Ive never got hit by that move in the 5 times I've fought it so far. I usually get killed by his tail swipes

[@troysam45]

You know what, I came by to watch this video a while back, but now I gotta share this sht. The developers definitely need to take a hint here

[@mregasi]

I retrospective I dont know what the hell happened with base world updates post Jho. and how much it improved in Iceborne. What were they thinking? Kulve, Lunastra, Behemoth and The Witcher. Didn't excite 1% of what furious rajang and raging brach update.

[@MLRTH]

"Thanks cartman" someone get me an inhaler

[@achro2491]

I’m not gonna lie AT Vaal was a pretty fun fight for my switch axe once I learned the fight

[@jordanwilliam3207]

The problem with AT Vaal Hazak is that it is completely trivialized if you use the combination of Health Augment (or Luna +Nergi weapons), Effluvia Resistance, and Vitality Mantle, while if you miss any one of those, especially, the Effluvia Resistence, your chance of victory is close to "Lol, what is victory?". Grimclaw Tigrex is the best example of how the Armor Skills that counter it's gimmicks (in Grimclaw's case, HG Earplugs and Tremor Res) make the whole fight much easier, but without completely trivializing said monster.

[@achro2491]

Jordan William at the time I farmed AT Vaal the best thing I had was a shitty raw build with 2 pieces of black diablos and 3 nerg pieces The only thing I really changed for my build was my Diablo’s switch axe which was now a jho switchaxe without any augments and a vitality mantle with temporal

[@jordanwilliam3207]

@@achro2491 But I-Framing it doesn't negate that Effluvia aura.

[@achro2491]

Jordan William I only really used the temporal to get some dmg in without really caring since I overcommit to combos a lot and I heal whenever I can or when I’m just dodging some of his moves

[@achro2491]

Jordan William the fight is also super easy for my updated lance build and I wish I finished making it at the time even tho I got the same 23 min clear as my switch axe

[@emperorsaibot3898]

Arch Tempered Velkhana let that sink in.

[@grandoblivion5268]

Emperor Saibot *[ABORT MISSION]*

[@Bananaman559]

Lets pray that capcom learned their lesson with ATs and give the iceborne elders the xeno'jiiva treatment

[@baconberries8097]

heres hoping AT Valkanna doesn't suck, because we all know we're gonna get it

[@askmeificare5557]

Who is to say Master Rank will even contain any T or AT variants.

[@Aizen_SSRB_Delumin]

Seeing AT Namielle now, it would seem they learned absolutely nothing even now in 2020. I just got this suggestion randomly on YT, and it's sad to throwback to AT like this and current one and see nothing got better in the long run. What a shame.

[@Yama-qg3il]

AT Namielle isn't fair? She's pretty doable with a decent team if you ask me.

[@Aizen_SSRB_Delumin]

@@Yama-qg3il Don't put words into my mouth. I never said anything about fairness or how doable it is. Only that they learned nothing from the feedback and opinions like in this video in the base game and kept doing it the same way again.

[@Yama-qg3il]

@@Aizen_SSRB_Delumin I mean... after watching the video the only feedback I noticed was that pepega slam and Lunastra bad (which they are). I'd say AT Namielle is part of the good AT monsters and the good AT monsters are... good, what else do they need?

[@poisenbery]

I can beat black diablos. I think that the fight is complete bullshit and horribly designed and that the person behind it should stop doing what they are doing bc they dont know what they are doing by making shit faster and hit harder. That's not how difficulty works. 1k people who downvoted this probably assumed that you can't beat these monsters. It's a shame. I'm a 15 year veteran of the franchize and I 100% agree with you

[@xanderharris4047]

What is that Charge Blade you're using?!

[@ryankane3725]

Setsuka Sato that’s what I wanna know

[@therealwoischi7692]

The charge Blade itself is just a modded Skin from akantor guys.. should be diablos cb or the new ice cb from at kulve.. Hope i Could help!

[@thongorshengar]

MHW has the worst post game content handling I've ever seen. Even I think that MH Tri which actually got less contents than World due to lack of updates is comparatively better because it doesn't make the majority of your gears obsolete, and the end game variety monsters to hunt are more than just elder dragons ad infinitum.The focus on Elder Dragons only as the end game monster to hunt is truly a mistake. Moreover they try to lure player by promising (much) stronger gears instead of mere upgrade like the apex stone did, introducing a horrible powercreep I've ever seen. What they should've done is to make arch tempered monsters out of the apex monsters of each area. Turn them into the same level of playing ground just like Apex did in 4U or Deviant/Hyper in Generation. This way you have more end game monsters to hunt. Their new gears doesn't have to be instant OP like the AT ED did because the originals are passable. They are barely in need of more HP unlike the Elder Dragons which while not optimal, still got enough HP to be just right. I hope they drop any this silly focus on Elder Dragons in Iceborne. Let normal monsters shine besides them especially now that we have 2 apex monsters for each area. I don't want to fight them just when clawing to the end game. I want them to be PART of the end game.

[@BelodyEpic]

I agree, some of my favourite monsters I never fight because the hunt takes only a couple minutes since they never got any stronger than when you first fight them in early high rank, I hope master rank at least partially solves this, but it would be awesome to see stuff like AT/deviant tobi-kodachi for example

[@damianwozniak3946]

In my opinion they should have removed the rng from decorations and made them craftable with just the rarest materials. Combined with stronger tempered monsters (early game monsters) and weekly events with increased drop rate for materials. Also layered amor sets for every set in the game, by fist actually crafting the set then completing challenges like "hunt great girros 30 times" to unlock the layered version and to then craft it with only the rarest materials of that monster. Also AT Kulve Taroths existence makes pretty much every vanilla game weapon obsolete, so instead of weapons she drops gold materials and vouchers to sell or craft something. More gold vouchers in exchange for rare materials to then craft the layerd versions. Not perfect but I would prefer it that way.

[@SifArtorias]

That slam pissed me off so much... it took me 5 attempts to beat it solo and I had a minute to spare and was going ham at the end with temporal up...

[@thegirthquake8574]

This entire video boils down to "Because I refuse to build to counter them."

[@shali-9628]

What is that chcargeblade you’ve been using throughout most of the vid?

[@gabeperras3711]

You forgot the worst part of any AT monster, they're only available for a limited time!

[@natalyrod6156]

LMAO... hahaha.. You got that PTSD on plesioth style hip check.

[@EclipticViper]

I love AT Nergi I killed normal Nergi in a personal record of 3'40(don't have MR gear) Then Tempered under 5 minutes And AT Nergi was the challenge I looked for and I killed him with minutes to spare He's my favourite monster and I can't see myself ever hating him

[@amauriherrera6022]

Just for the record I came back to AT with Master Rank to test AT Nergi and let me tell you at 1000 DEF and using Gaia Veil from Shara (Full Tremor, HG Earplugs, Full Windproof) AT Nergigante can slap you around PRETTY BAD. Dive Bomb caaaan be tanked maybe at full health with Food buff, all buffs and Health Boost 3 on 1000 DEF ( I would still dodge it because HOLY HELL THATS A LOT OF DAMAGE) But Nergi can chain many knock out moves that it doesn't matter. Seriously, AT Nergi is utter bs, I would place it up there with AT Velkana (but to be honest AT Velka only sucks because of the unusual 30 min quest time for spam fest fight) So, you can survive pepega slams but he literally knocks the Mega potion you chugged in ONE HIT at DEF 1000- AT Nergi hits harder than most Master Rank monsters including some AT...at high rank it was pretty ridiculous to drop that kind of monster. For the record, im a MonHun head for 20 years so Im no chump at this game. However, I am old world hunter much like the Huntsman so most AT quests are gimmicky like abusing mantles, abusing clutch claw, the only legit strat I saw on Nergi is if you manage to survive at the end you can chain sleep bomb him to clear the quest. Reminds of me back in the day when Alatreon was unlocked at the end of Tri on the online hub - you couldn't kill it before the time ran out so the strat was to bring sleep weapons with mega bomb materials and sleep bomb it to death- which was genius how the meta was suddenly subverted and the worst weapon element became clutch. Post Iceborne you can just Clutch Claw and tenderize AT Nergi horns and just beat his face to oblivion with Temporal mantle...Quest clear, easy and gimmicky proving who lame clutch claw being introduced to the series really was. I tried clearing the quest in High Rank gear with World skills and no claw = PAIN Mast Rank gear with Iceborne skills and no claw = pain Master or High gear with no skill restriction and clutch claw = obnoxiously annoying hunt at best P.S. Lunastra Nova is actually a wind blast(despite being so counter intuitive being an explosion) so Windproof hard counters Lunastra but even with max with WIndproof the nova can still sucker punch you. Funny enough most AT hunts are hard countered by specific Hunting Horns. Weird.