Canon 5d Mark III Magic Lantern (Raw vs H.264) test 2

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This is not a scientific test
Settings
H.264: 1920x1080 (added black bars in post)
ML RAW: 1920x872
ML RAW x3 crop: 2048 x 930
Shot with :
Canon 5D Mk3
Canon 24mm 1.4
Canon 70-200mm 2.8
Kumputerbay 64gb 1000x
Post in:
RAWMagic
Adobe Lightroom (for color correction)
Adobe after effects(for exporting to ProRess 422HQ)
Adobe Premiere cs6(for editing)
No sharpening applied to footage

[@wannazmi4321]

This is crazy what you can really achieve with RAW footage!! This is 2019 and it's still rock solid!!! Great music great grading my friend!!

[@rodames1089]

Welcome to 2022... and still!

[@johnf.hebert1409]

@@rodames1089 I cant believe IM saying this, but buying a 5D mark ii with magic lantern will get get you the same thing a $5000 r3 without the overheating

[@chadiwack]

Welcome to the end of 2023 and still... @@rodames1089

[@godmode9]

I can't tell if I'm more impressed with the RAW video or the incredible color grading!

[@tptrsn]

Seven years later, and still an excellent video full of great image quality. I think I'll get one. :)

[@Miskin432]

That part from 2:55 looks like a scene from a movie :O. The RAW is just so sharp and epic and awesome and everything :O :D

[@Pettergrindahl]

It reminds me of the underground scene from Harry Potter 5, with Arthur Weasley and Harry Potter.

[@TheMetalButcher]

Ungraded it didn't, but graded I felt like I was in a theatre. What a difference.

[@DougLarsenMN]

What LUT? This is insane

[@jtpinnyc]

Nice choice of music! So much better than the stock "ad-style" music that usually accompanies videos like this. I miss The Art Of Noise.

[@nicolasderu4368]

The fountain scene really shows the difference, amazing !

[@d.engvin]

I am out of words. Looks great even in 2016.

[@tickone8572]

I guess these dslrs never get old too fast.. can't wait to get mine !

[@BKapelari]

even in end 2018

[@willmorrell488]

even in end 2019

[@carlospinto4102]

probably the best footage I've seen coming out of the 5d mark III

[@ShutterAuthority]

Very nice presentation! Although I cant believe it was unbiased. It looked like more energy had gone into grading the RAW shots that the h.264.

[@strancali]

Isn't that the reason why we shoot RAW? To get the best details and ABLE to grade the footage far beyond the baked in h.264?? Plus this test is to show DETAILS not the grading :)

[@ShutterAuthority]

Yes that is true. But I have a feeling that you could have gotten the h.264 to look a little better if you had put in some energy in to that as well. A fair comparison would be when you shoot h.264 in a way that you don't have to push the grading too much in post and then try to match the RAW to that grading to see how much better that is. Don't you think so?:) I hope you get what I'm trying to say.

[@akpevbe]

Raghav91 Totally understand where you're coming from, but the purpose of this test is to show (1)how detailed RAW is compare to h.264, (2)what the 3x crop image look like, (3)how well highlights and shadows can be recovered. Trying to match a Lightroom graded RAW image to a Magicbullet graded low-rez h.264 defeats d whole purpose of shooting RAW. Trying to also match a MB graded h.264 to a LR graded RAW image is unfair (LR will 100% out perform MB). I knew i couldnt cover every single test which is why i went for the more important test and also stated " This is not a scientific test"

[@ShutterAuthority]

Akpe ododoru okay. Got that :)

[@moonstriker7350]

He applied sharpening to the raw, and did not to the h264. That's where most of the "magic" comes from. IF you some other comparison vids on vimeo there is no such sudden change in sharpness at all.

[@joshuavincent7884]

cant believe how good the raw looks

[@sebbytrial]

This clip makes me hate my Nikon even more.

[@maxboissiere4806]

Wow same

[@Noeman2009]

Lol

[@shiroumxm2052]

hahaaa

[@farisroy_]

true

[@firstpoint8055]

@@aronsch3488 if you want to take video canon has cine cameras. why they should sell cheap cameras that includes all for you? what did you do for canon?

[@TehFoxit]

1:24 - That is what this is all about! RAW makes it so much nicer! Nice grade my friend!

[@kjbkix]

Dood McMan that's the whole point - you're ABLE to process them differently. you can't make H.264 look as good, it's just not a flexible editing codec. it's a great finishing one, and should be used as such.

[@stealthstar4]

Its edited, remember. It's so clean because he used, denoise. It doesn't come out of the box this way. They never tell u this.

[@YottatorMedia_Group]

@@stealthstar4 Well, as long as the result is good, it's still amazing.

[@prntm926]

@@stealthstar4 lol, whats the point of shooting raw if youre not planning to do any post processing?

[@misterjt961]

i love the shots! to be honest the way you synced up the shot changes with the music makes it seem like an awesome ambient music video

[@motionsam]

3:50 - best shot, shows real difference and importance of dynamic range!

[@akpevbe]

Thanks for the comment. The 2:50 footage is h.264 out of camera, while the 2:54 footage is ML RAW with white balance tweaked to give that blue feel.

[@truthkeeperfilms]

My has the time passed... this was amazing footage back 9 years ago.

[@Kneichion]

I am Blown away at the difference. Thanks for posting

[@akpevbe]

The crop mode was actually wider in width (2048) compare to full mode (1920). Think of it like filming 1080p on a 7D is same size as filming on a 5DIII. Benefit of crop mode is it triples the focal length of your lens with same quality or more than 1080p. Black magic camera has a small sensor but still outputs 2.5k footage

[@M4TR1X]

The RAW footage is amazing! I will buy this in late 2018!

[@M4TR1X]

Oh, I found my comment.Wait, why I didn't buy it? I upgraded to mirrorless sony but I'm selling right now for 5d3!

[@KeVaNo44]

Awesome vid! Great comparison! Your cinematography is on point. Keep it up!

[@akpevbe]

3x crop is just brilliant....turned my 200mm lens into a 600mm 2.8 :) and at 2k too

[@zapdo77]

I wish Magic Lantern did raw for the Canon 7D! Great video comparison :)

[@fab1o978]

Magic Lantern (Alpha 2.0.3) supports RAW on 7D too

[@xXWinja52Xx]

The 6D will be a huge improvement over the 550D, especially in low noise performance (higher ISO's with less noise). The 5D mark iii is a lot better but the 6D is still a great camera.

[@getbackupproductions2949]

Just upgraded to a 5D mark 3. Was wondering if I should try shooting RAW. This is enough evidence for me. Thanks a bunch.

[@getbackupproductions2949]

I think the shot that really did it for me is at 3:19

[@Appvpro]

this might seal the deal on buying my next DSLR, I hardly take photos these days I find video far more rewarding. Really nice shooting, thanks for sharing

[@N199UA]

Oh my god ... you can zoom in 3x and still have perfectly usable 1080p footage in most instances. Thanks so much for comparing. I love the sharpness of the Raw footage. Amazing to see what's possible with the 5D III. I'd give 5 thumbs up for your video if I could. :-)

[@philspiering]

really like the music and good comparison. nice change from someone talking over it.

[@el3xtrosky]

Wow! You sure as hell don't need a 4k camera right now.

[@ataechawngthu]

dynamic range is amazing in ML raw... more detail in the cloud

[@AA-zq1sx]

Incredible! Great work :) Can I ask which version of ML did you install? I'd love to follow in your footsteps (and make sure I don't brick the camera... it's pricey! :D)

[@blazraidr]

Really love the shot at 1:23!

[@fuseman911]

Wow! Most impressive. I love the way you presented this, comparisons. Excellent job. Please keep up the good work!

[@ocubex]

1:28 could have being a scene out of a movie, really good shots. Tempted to hack my 5D but not just yet...

[@chanhmanhcomputer]

Crop = Lens !

[@nestropolis1]

Beautiful grades and cinematography. Music was pleasant as well, nice production!

[@aryaprincess2479]

1:52 looks like it is a vintage film, solid colors and enough vibrancy. Almost technicolor quality

[@BackToFE_OnlyTruth]

Just beautiful

[@williampinkney4796]

Amazed

[@HorseRadish138]

Amazing, ML is fantastic, will try it on my 70D

[@makingtheboy]

Did you notice that you shot Jamie Laing from Made in Chelsea at 3:45?

[@akpevbe]

+makingtheboy Yea someone pointed it out (didn't even know him at the time :) )

[@xrayhead]

WOW Some sweeeeeet colour grading and the Raw looks so nice, I have a 5Diii and never really thought of adding ML. Thanks for the upload :-)

[@DJaysParadise]

The scene with that man on the escalator (2:50) is just so stunning. Did you do color grading on the RAW shot? It looks so incredibly cinematic!

[@victorcoyenn]

I don't get it... You make a 3x crop, and the image is still outstanding in 1080p... HOW? I've ordered and now waiting for Lexar 1066x card so I can use ML with my MkIII... I've watched a bunch of MkIII ML RAW footage videos here on youtube and though they're pretty nice, but still not even close to be that good in 1080p, let alone 3x crop

[@stephencox9507]

It's a sensor crop, not a post crop.

[@alsoknownasMaSTeR]

awesome work dude. It's really nice to see how far you can go with the raw footage. How long can you shoot with a 64 and a 128 gb card? have you had overheating problems shooting during the summer? Thanks in advance :)

[@akpevbe]

My 64gb card could record up to 12min. No over heating at all

[@Ozma4eva]

Do you realise that Jamie Lang is in this test at the 3:44 mark ha ha (blue and yellow jacket on left third of frame)

[@WEHAVETHISDREAM]

Wow... Just what I needed! THANKS SO MUCH!

[@blazraidr]

Really love the shot at 1:23

[@chuquiii]

Loved that post rock

[@Superfoot]

Still the average movie goer would not know the difference. The 5DMIII is a the real game changer,especially the ML .

[@d.felixphoto2260]

Came for the comparison, stayed for the music!

[@logancaligagan9402]

I just bought the 6D today and I'm now realizing it's limits when trying to shoot ML raw. UGH! Now I want the mrk iii already. lol

[@joshzoo]

Logan Caligagan 6D does awesome Magic Lantern too, but it has moire annoyingly

[@officielemo]

I LOVE YOUR CAMERA MAN !!

[@Cinefilmer]

Was torn between a 5DMKIII Or one of the Black Magic Cameras but i think this video just convinced me i still want to do photography so I'm going to stick with the 5DIII

[@benkelino]

Brilliant! Now I have to get myself a 5D!

[@joshzoo]

Bengt Linnerud yeah get one dude!

[@sittingnow]

Finally gotten round to testing this out. The footage I'm getting is crazy good. Out of interest, why are you shooting at 872 and not 1080p? Do you get longer shooting time?

[@akpevbe]

I just like the wide screen look

[@Superfoot]

Still the average movie goer would not know the difference. The 5DMIII is a the real game changer..especially the ML .

[@jamesquartararojr1298]

Looks awesome! I don't understand what the crop X3 is about. How can you have a bigger image after cropping a smaller one? Or do you mean that ML allows for an in camera digital crop of the area? I've never used ML on a 5dm3 and don't remember that available for the 2 if that's what it is.

[@akpevbe]

ML allows for an in camera digital crop of the censor area

[@murrybashir2935]

Bro dis is another lever ,,,,,keep pushing up dude.

[@bobonikita]

Great work, thanks. What about temperatures of cpu, risk of damage?

[@akpevbe]

wasn't an issue

[@TomHarrison999]

Great video, love the shots. What are the file sizes like when filming in raw, how much for example, would 30 mins of footage take up? Cheers

[@ProCoComputerRepairs]

Nice, I really want the 5d mark iii, but man that GH4 from Panasonic video quality is insane.

[@el3xtrosky]

wow there's so much detail we can squeeze from a good quality 1080p. roughly, how's the file size of the raw footage compared to 4k equivalent?

[@akpevbe]

Enough details in raw for me to not care about getting a sony 4k dslr

[@Yethah]

Dream camera😍

[@HashtagArena]

Great stuff. Did you shoot in flat profile and then correct?

[@neoavenir]

that color grading in the city is so good! i need a tutorial 😩

[@henryjackson9907]

good instrumental choice and your color grading is nice!

[@ryguysa]

Beautiful shots dude! Really good!

[@akpevbe]

I normally save the metadata from lightroom, import into After effects, then export out as ProRess422HQ

[@eyesforwings]

Wonderful work and thanks for sharing! Were you able to shoot continuously or did the camera "time out" and only let you record in 7 to 10 second spurts? How long was your longest clip?

[@Factory38LukeStewart]

Thanks for posting this. The bluish color cast in the RAW version- was the white balance different?

[@akpevbe]

white balance doesn't really affect RAW....it was a result of minor colour correction in LR

[@FrankValchiria]

im watching on a iiyama 40 inch 4k monitor and i hae to say apart from a bit of softness. it looks pretty good.i almost want to get a mark 3

[@GrowingDownUnder]

The auto focus seems to have some problems, was this filmed in 24 fps? try film in 30fps or 60fps when you have moving objects, 24 fps is better for a landscape with less movement

[@akpevbe]

5D3 doesn't do auto focus in video mode

[@CollardyFilms]

This is an impressive comparison!

[@chadiwack]

I'm so late to the party, I just bought a second hand Canon Mark iii 5d and I'm learning about them. It's my first DSLR and this video looks amazing. I don't really understand what I'm looking at but I know it looks great. What is ML RAW and how do I learn about it? anyone in the comments know and can point me in the right direction.

[@Just_jeanice]

i love this song

[@Babakanian]

It looks really good. what type of lens did you use? what were the settings for the RAW capture? What city is this? and finally explain the difference between Anarchism vs. Liberal Democracy.

[@rafaelmollica6048]

All my respect and thankfulness for this video! This inspires me so much! What a poetic look you give to everything. ps. i simply cant find the music of this video. I tried out moments in love, but it took me to very diferent song. Thank you anyway!

[@tptrsn]

This footage still looks stellar 2 1/2 years later. Have you ever compared ML Raw to GH4 footage?

[@truthkeeperfilms]

+Hammerhaus Kennel - GH4 still better

[@tptrsn]

+It's Zero Hour I watched this again before I automatically agreed with you as far as the detail and sharpness are concerned, but now I'm not even sure about the GH4 being better in those regards... So often the GH4 footage looks so sharp it starts getting block and nasty when KZbin does its thing. Personally I think the colors are FAR better with the 5Diii Raw footage, and overall I just think the footage is more pleasing than GH4 footage. If the work flow was a little less demanding I would probably grab a 5Diii and ML it. It would be interesting to see which one I ended up using more. Also, most of the comparisons between the GH4 and the 5Diii ML footage are on locked off shots like this. All of these cameras tell a different story when you subject them to significant camera movement like glidecam shots. The 5Diii h.264 does pretty well in those conditions. I would love to see what the 5Diii Raw footage looks like on a glidecam.

[@truthkeeperfilms]

Hammerhaus Kennel - Have you seen raw images from 5D Mark III? Its completely colorless and requires lots of color grading to get it as he did. GH4 1080p vs 5D Raw 1080p, I give it hands down to the 5D Mark III ALL day, specially because the sensor in the Canon is far superior to the GH4s sensor also, its a full frame. But, if you go 4K with GH4 and downscale, its amazing.

[@jazzpur]

this to me looks more like consqeuence of color grading are none of these clips color corrected? the raw files must be corrected by the looks of it are the h264 files also graded? or are these files straight from camera?

[@akpevbe]

+jazzpur its a mixure of both graded and ungraded to show u the details and how far u can push it in post compare to h.264

[@theluckystreet]

no hate bro but in my honest opinion, and it's just me. I prefer the magic lantern raw from the canon 5d mark ii. I made a video on it in low light

[@akpevbe]

No hate at all bro. I actually upgraded from my 5d mark ii to the 5d mark iii mainly bcus the 5d mark iii could shoot CONTINUOUS 25fps in 1080p RAW and CONTINUOUS 1920x872 50fps RAW. At the time the 5d mark ii couldn't shoot continuous 1080p.

[@akpevbe]

U are right "No comparison to RED". It wont be fair to compare a 5k with 1080p though :) Plus these footages haven't been graded (only slight colour balance to some clips).

[@jason.h.zager88]

i like the RAW footage bu it has so much limitation.i Still prefet Sony FS7 footage wih Aomos ninja Recorder or Blackmagic URSA mini RAW footage...no professional filmmaker or videographer use 5D m3(or any SLR or even Mirrorless)as the main Camera.

[@akpevbe]

Its really hard to say what lens to use as it really depends on your location. Am always changing lens when i film. I tend to use canon L series lens as they are very sharp.

[@gregstewart789]

Hi Akpe ododoru . Super video of London. Im very interested in the size of the files/frames you're getting (MB/frame). How long would your 64GB card last you continually shooting raw?

[@gregstewart789]

Oh, never mind! You've already answered that question below I think. 12 minutes right?

[@akpevbe]

Greg Stewart Yep, 12mins

[@dan323609]

Я помню 10 лет назад смотрел это видео и мечтал о таком ))

[@gabizaaao]

Hey! Thanks for the video! The images and edit are impecable. What type of CF card and program for post production did you use?

[@akpevbe]

Settings H.264: 1920x1080 (added black bars in post) ML RAW: 1920x872 ML RAW x3 crop: 2048 x 930 Shot with : Canon 5D Mk3 Canon 24mm 1.4 Canon 70-200mm 2.8 Kumputerbay 64gb 1000x Post in: RAWMagic Adobe Lightroom (for color correction) Adobe after effects(for exporting to ProRess 422HQ) Adobe Premiere cs6(for editing)

[@akpevbe]

For Raw video's it doesn't matter what profile you use

[@akpevbe]

Only because i like the widescreen feel i get when i see black bars, plus am also guaranteed continuous recording due to less information going onto my CF card

[@savvidi]

Thank you so much! Now ill take 5dIII 100%

[@jrc1156]

Enticing and lovely video..question Does it still have dual pixel auto focus when recording raw? Plus what are the frame rates? Thanks..

[@merlinmediagroup]

3:44 That's Jamie Laing from Made In Chelsea!

[@vpr5562]

Man, wonderful video!

[@lolsddz]

Jesus compared to Nikon, Canon just really blows it away

[@walterwparkour]

The camera he is using is a canon camera but he is using independently developed software to record raw video. So really Magic Lantern blows it away.

[@brianurivlogs8300]

Well in terms of video canon wins but photography nikons better

[@danieldougan269]

The 5D Mark III is a pretty good video camera, but I find the footage quite soft and lacking in detail. It's a shame because the colors look so good with Magic Lantern.

[@Deathbynature89]

Does the recording in RAW affect the dual pixel auto focus? That's one of the awesome things about the newer Canons.

[@akpevbe]

No it doesn't

[@joshmvfx]

I regret buying a blackmagic now...

[@88GRAND1]

Can I ask, what kind of card are you using to record the footage? SD or CF? and what size and speed? I'm having issues with recording with out it stopping on me. BTW your footage is gorgeous!

[@moutain_guy6058]

hi, fantastic video! What SD card are you using?

[@akpevbe]

Check info

[@natersthegamer1953]

in the first example, on the left side, why does that blade of that plant look translucent? Am I seeing something wrong?

[@jason.h.zager88]

Why is the RAW footage is so Blue?

[@Jason-ri4dd]

+jason H. Zeger because he probably changed the WB afterwards, one of the benefits of RAW. and the RAW shots in the underground and on the escalator look way more cinematic than the h.264 shots in my opinion (with the blue-ish tint)