Spychecking Sombra - How Chengdu Hunters Countered NYXL | Pro Overwatch Analysis

When the Chengdu Hunters took on the New York Excelsior on Numbani they came prepared with a rehearsed strategy that completely shut down the latter's Sombra tactics.
In this edition of Behind The Akshon, we take a look at how the Hunters countered the NYXL.
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When your name is Lateyoung but your bubbles are never late

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Didn't think I'd hear the term Spy-checking be used outside of TF2, nor did I think it would be used in a game like Overwatch

[@grongolawless1396]

But sombras just spy without knife

[@adcrengar9877]

"What's a spy" - Fortnite kids these days

[@grongolawless1396]

HentaiRacoon how not?

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69 likes but I must

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@@grongolawless1396 Sombra is for utility nad hacking enemies, Spy is a pure assassin with survival tools and one utility tool being the sapper.

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Honestly this should be number one trending for gaming!

[@suppe3181]

Yes

[@joehales6153]

This is why my favourite team is the hunters, they are so fun to watch, and so good at what they do.

[@Hawaii_Foxx-0]

Fun to watch? Yeah they are. Good at what they do? Not really, if they were they wouldn't be 7-14 in the regular season.

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I watch them because I'm a Wreaking ball main TM

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[@joshpeter61]

They're shit tho

[@NoraDG9000]

@@joshpeter61 ye but they're not

[@chip5892]

Wrecking Ball: *exists* SomBRUH: *Que onda intensifies*

[@adcrengar9877]

Hammond rolls into a bar He can't even reach the counter

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[@tj10theking79]

I love seeing just how much pro players peel for their teammates I always find it so impressive.

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“Spah sapping my wrecking ball”

[@boid9761]

Wrecking ball down! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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[@atomosa7664]

Every time you say Ameng, I hear Emongg and I'm like wait what

[@watson498]

ameng is much smarter than i ever gave him credit for. under Chen, Chengdu really looks to have a glimmer of hope for playoffs. these peels are so amazing.

[@LucidProtean]

7:19 RIP Nenne, he tried to hack Molly to deny the Trans for Whoru's Blade, but the hit-detection found Yveltal instead. Look at his crosshair

[@scottwangkl8882]

Hack animation leaves enough time to cancel and re-target though, so he didn't really need to commit to the wrong hack onto Yveltal.

[@LucidProtean]

@@scottwangkl8882 Yeah, I guess he either realized too late (probably not cuz Gamer Reaction Times) or he realized that if he cancelled and tried to re-target onto Molly they woulda turned on him or he woulda popped Trans to counter it

[@scottwangkl8882]

@@LucidProtean I think forcing Trans with just a manual hack is a lot more value than just committing to a wrong Mercy hack though. They probably have to work on coordinating Nenne's Sombra with Mano

[@stablesalto]

@@scottwangkl8882 Yes forcing trans out is good but changing there just made his hack useless because zarya couldve just bubbled and ashe was already dropping onto low ground. Sticking it was his best option imo.

[@Lappmogel]

with how good these players are and how long the cast time is i doubt he would be able to cancel and redo

[@qfired9286]

I love how we still use the term Spychecking from TF2 in overwatch

[@ashye1010]

0:33 I swear I hear emongg here

[@Ajoi14]

Same

[@trafficbone3908]

IN summary, Nenne played an awful game

[@renegade0524]

as usual

[@d3w222]

@@renegade0524 he's just inconsistent. hes probably the best widow/ashe on the team but holy is sbb better at tracer and sombra

[@ahyes1627]

@@d3w222 ofc, cause after PINE is gone, NYXL have bad DPS excluding haksal. Nenne can't even make much damage for haksal to finish it. I just hope NYXL buys Decay Edit: Nenne, Libero and SBB isn't even in the DPS chart in damage or kills

[@naomienomy5997]

Benjamin CHEN Wdym NYXL doesn’t have great DPS? Sure, NYXL doesn’t have the best hitscan DPS, but NYXL does have star DPS specialist players. Whoru and Haksal are both beasts at Genji (with Haksal’s bonus on DF). SBB on his Tracer and Sombra, and Libero, well. He’s a great flex player - Hanzo, Genji, etc. If we wanna go further back... Pine was a god hitscan, but too bad he’s left the scene. Flow3r is just washed up. Well, Nenne is just. Nenne doesn’t fit in with their roster. I do think Nenne is quite a liability. NYXL did only start playing Nenne due to the GOATs meta and they didn’t really have a Zarya specialist. Although, Nenne’s Zarya did that one flaw against Seoul Dynasty in that one particular game in Rialto... (Pepperidge farm remembers).

[@d3w222]

@@ahyes1627 pine was a specialist. he had potential to be like a carpe but he only clutched whereas players like carpe are gods of consistency. nenne has 0 consistency and he doesn't specialize in anything. his ashe is mid-low table in the stats and sbb is a better tracer and sombra than him. right now best lineup for nyxl is probably mano, hotba, sbb, haksal, jjonak, and anamo. and they rarely field this specific roster for no reason.

[@wongcheewah9901]

I hope Chengdu can make it to final someday.

[@cohoseco1023]

Clearly, this team is so good to watch

[@wongcheewah9901]

@@cohoseco1023 yeah, within new chaos meta , Chengdu maybe? Maybe can make it.

[@Robincredible]

Lateyoung's certainly young, but not late with those bubbles.

[@soratron]

“spy checking sombra” wait what, two games who were on “opposite” ends (in a way) now collide. interesting

[@lolman157]

wait but tf2 and ow are pretty similar

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lol man ye but I feel like overwatch is an updated and improved tf2 with more modes characters lore and money behind it and it’s e-sports

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well duh, tf2 is 10+ years old and is a pretty different game

[@lolman157]

@@Handleforyt12345 more modes? that's false. more lore? also false. well more classes is technically true, but tf2 still has significantly more playstyles so that point is invalidated. But I will say though ow is alot more viable as a e-sport but only because blizzard actually cares about it. Unlike valve.

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@@lolman157 this man knows his stuff

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Can you do a vid about the Winston-Zarya comp?

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true

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bruh do you even know who you are

[@Bitter.Bitter]

This is why I love the hunters, they always know what will come and then counter it without counter picks

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[@ryansemple3830]

But what if Saebyeolbe was on Sombra that was like his whole thing for goats and this was the first time I saw Nenne on it

[@baguett.7017]

El Chapo I don’t watch too many tournaments but saebyelobe is definitely a much more renowned dps player idk why he wasn’t playing

[@Oh-lk2qd]

@@baguett.7017 Nenne is far better at Ashe

[@ryansemple3830]

O h yea definitely but SBB is a really good sombra I’m not sure why they’ve been trying to push Nenne on sombra

[@Oh-lk2qd]

@@ryansemple3830 They can't sub during the individual matches and they didn't know Ameng was gonna Ball. And then I assume SBB has been streaming or not scrimming as much

[@timmtimm9729]

@@Oh-lk2qd sure ameng wasn't gonna play ball better watch our for his rein he used in like 1 game

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[@TractorKid45]

This is more like heavy spychecking, where in comp heavies shoot in random places and common travel spots for spies, hoping to catch one out. More long range than pyro spychecking, but worse at close quarters

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I love how even in overwatch it's called spychecking

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[@eeveeknight8017]

Haha hamster that’s hacked goes ded Oh wait nvm

[@chip5892]

Wrecking Ball: nooo you can’t just hack me and make me useless to my team! Som *bruh* :

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haha hamster noises go squeek

[@batona4139]

Disappointment Chips ah yes my favourite character, som bruh

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Disappointment Chips “haha ult meter go brrrrr”

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well thought out and insightful analysis.

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[@randomstuf6933]

I always hope London will get an analysis, but you have to do something interesting for that to happen

[@ravendc5871]

I think the Nenne hate is unwarranted, he got unlucky a few times an Chengdu had done their research. Playing an esport especially when you are not a fan favorite is stressful and sometimes we let our emotions get the better of us and we don’t preform our best. Nenne had a rough start that match and didn’t recover emotionally and it affected his gameplay. He became much more cautious and would try not to die over committing to kills. You have got to remember the Pro players are human to and that all of your rude comments are certainly not helping the mental health of these players.

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Nice Comment

[@cheesy4384]

This. So many people are hating on players for not playing their best when the players on a bad day could roll 95% of the people hating

[@cheezellopp9865]

Not to mention the terrible coaching Nenne has been under inhibiting his performance

[@watashidake0712]

2:12 no one: zen: I‘m not like the other girls, I‘m diagonal

[@f2pguy438]

Alternative title: Why SBB should be playing sombra instead of nenne

[@isaacxlin]

i’ve never really liked the hunters that much, but this match made me see them in a new light. my fav team is the nyxl and seeing the creative play style the hunters played is something i can definitely appreciate

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4:08 Bob comin in hot

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Yoo this is a really good analysis

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Great vid! Very interesting

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[@Gameknight2169]

“Your skill is jogging? Mine is MURDERING.” *proceeds to die first like an idiot*

[@juicebox268]

Wrecking ball is incredibly powerfull and I think it would make games a lot more interesting to watch if there was a hamster picking off mercy’s

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Hello Akshon, once again!

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Perfect Video!

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Thanks!

[@theslenderfox]

"The Chengdu Hunters proved whats possible even when you're not playing with meta characters" >Looks at Ashe and Genji

[@mattnorris7124]

Ah yes, the old 2 out of 6 meta heroes strat.

[@johnstellmann4997]

I wish ameng got played more in the summer showdown:(

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Mad props for keep the great video but you guys should make them longer. Does anyone else realize that this channel could`ve dragged the video on like YourOverwatch and Stylosa to over 10 minutes for more money but didn't?

[@Middlagegamr78]

Absolutely yes more Wrecking Ball. He's fun to play and fun to watch!

[@abyss7708]

Great vid

[@lickilicky64]

this match can also be called "Nenne doesn't get to play today"

[@sEaNoYeAh]

Great video guys. It was 100% a mistake to not play Wrecking Ball Ameng against Spark, and they should probably have played the Genji Tracer too over Sombra. Their DPS are incredible, but even though Jinmu is a solid Sombra he was always 5-10% where he needed to be for EMP. They're a team that's extraordinary at doing damage, and playing with Wrecking Ball's big damage output is a big part of that. Versus Winston it means diving targets who are going to be lower (coz slam, grapple damage vs Winston leap). Playing to their strengths got them 2nd seed, do so again in the cup and they defeat Spark. Plus Wrecking Ball is strong against Winston, and the secret is that even though Wrecking Ball is vulnerable when hacked, and Winston is harder to hack due to bubble, Winston is more vulnerable to EMP. He has less health and no range attack, he's more useless and harder to keep alive when EMP'd. Hunters, believe in yourselves. Believe in the mighty Ameng.

[@Rori-]

yesss more Wrecking Ball, I want to learn how to play with him

[@sikemeno8437]

SBB should be the one who use somba against chengdu,nenne is not a smobra user but sbb is a pro sombra player

[@ahyes1627]

U must be joking right? None of NYXL DPS knows how to use so bra well. U forgot SBB choked a game when he was Sombra until he changed to tracer right?

[@sikemeno8437]

@@ahyes1627 U must joking too right?in 2018 which is open q in owl (goats)sbb used sombra to destroy lots team,if he is not pro,he is good at sombra

[@adcrengar9877]

Never trust Nenne is the takeaway from this series my dude

[@LuddyFish_]

Is anyone else surprised that mercy-zen comp has returned?

[@Pleuros]

1:51 yeah don't mind zenyatta he just vibin sideways

[@Moist_Capybara]

I play lots of sombra because of her sneaky nature. In my 200~ hours of sombra, I can think of only a few times where a team actually shot behind them constantly to stop be from running around It was on my climb to diamond and most of the time it was silver-gold players. Platinum players are always too focused to care

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Good video, how can you watch the owl match replay ??

[@Howthetoastcrumbled]

"spah around here"

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Watched the vid. Insta-subbed.

[@NobleYellow]

I wanna come back for new tips but almost everything I learn isn't applicable anymore

[@JesseGamez]

Fourth lol. The video was really interesting. I like how hunters played and the focus on nene's mistakes on sombra

[@frosty8592]

It confuses me why NYXL didn’t run SBB on Sombra

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Magic

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We do them in-house with Photoshop and lots of patience.

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Akshon Esports woah

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[@xarathos5168]

4:13 aight imma head out- Genji

[@waddlesw74]

We got a spy around here

[@flubbedhydra8082]

"Ameng is the best wrecking ball" Yeatle: press x to doubt

[@user00xman1]

This is quality

[@michaeltaylor815]

Gotta love Jonah's voice

[@rev0live752]

To counter amengs playstile i would have pressed alt f4 on my keyboard

[@Noulvari]

This is like watching a great movie

[@BullseyesComicBooks]

Love this channel. Thank you for doing great content for the Overwatch community.

[@mythrillmeyhem8998]

Wrecking ball is such a joy to play and watch I’d love to see more Hammond in OWL

[@mattnorris7124]

Hey at least if I don't see it in other games, I can roll a dice on a Chengdu game that has 5 out of 6 sides with Wrecking Ball on them.

[@vitorisi1]

THESE VIDS ARE ACTUALLY SOOOOOO GOOD caps lock lol

[@cowmilk2405]

Why is the zen floating like that in 1:54

[@ethankennan212]

I can be a pretty cautious player too sometimes, as Sombra or otherwise.

[@Doncroft1]

There should definitely be more Ball in OWL.

[@n0sm1te19]

YES I WANNA SEE MORE BALL

[@timmtimm9729]

this dysection hurts a bit now knowing how good saebyolbi was on sombra

[@samuelblair8450]

I’m a sombra main as well, and I don’t know why nenne didn’t just stay with his team and hack ball when he tried to engage, this will even get genii and monkey. And on top of that there will be more lit charge for emp. Of course playing the assassin play style is fun, but it didn’t accomplish the tasks that somber needed to do in this game

[@mikeshaftx]

Because Chengdu had both Zarya and Genji. Lateyoung would've just bubbled Ameng on his engagements if Jinmu didn't deny the hack with his dash. Knowing that Nenne was behind Chengdu also forces them to play more conservatively. If they saw that Nenne was just going to camp his team all the time, Chengdu would've let go of all the stops and just go full aggro on New York.

[@mattnorris7124]

@@mikeshaftx The theory definitely checks out but it wasn't executed well enough. Nenne's timing was so out of whack with his team's dives to the point that it almost had them fighting 5v6 more often than not because he'd hack too early and then translocate while his teammates were mid-dive. Something that I did realise when watching this back that I didn't when I watched it live was that Nenne's hack from under the bridge on the wrong target (Yveltal) when the cart was approaching point B I don't think was entirely on Nenne. If you look at it, I think he was checking where the Mercy was and then went to hack Molly who had Trans at the time but it looked like the game picked up Yveltal as the hack target instead. If he hacks Molly there, it's a pretty easy kill, Chengdu have no Trans and that fight would have been pretty smooth sailing if they could have prevented the rez on Molly.

[@UlquiorraCifercifer]

They could change their setup to a slow double shield and keep the Sombra to play with them behind shields just to get a hack to anyone that gets to close

[@rsbqc4653]

To think that they switched out Saebyeoble for Nenne lol

[@tobyperks2631]

Hey can u do a pro file on sleepy since I think people including me would like to see his story and why he quit

[@maxtaetle420]

the reverse sweep was hard to eatch

[@hampaatonmummo3772]

Hammond: does not switch after one death Sombra: SO YOU HAVE CHOSEN DEATH

[@mattnorris7124]

Nenne: So I have chosen DEATH

[@masterspartanchief33]

I like how the Hunter's Zenyatta spawns. He looks a bit tilted.

[@LahiruVIP]

1:54 superior tilted zen

[@SivaExperiment]

me: see spychecking in the title also me: see sombra in the title me again: somethings wrong here i can sense it

[@Davenzoid]

anyone know how he made the jump at 1:56?

[@crashomega]

The first thing I saw was spychecking and thought of TF2 spychecking

[@fishzy1210]

Wrecking ball is so underrated And when your a wrecking ball main like me it’s sad not many people play him

[@madnessman1520]

He is by far the hardest tank to play because he requires a shit ton of coordination which isn't gonna happen much in lower ranks and you usually get flamed for picking him by your teamates

[@Gameknight2169]

It seems I am not the only MEDIC

[@burstvgc]

At 7:18, Nenne's crosshair is focused on Molly, but he hacks Yveltal instead? I feel like this is a mistake he tried to follow through with or he didn't realize he was on the wrong target.

[@Jensviva]

GOD VID!

[@thenightqueen0]

Ashe blasts Sombra's head off: "That's what you get for being on nerd team!"

[@benjidalton3643]

I’m so surprised to be seeing more of mercy in professional play. Idk I could be wrong but I feel like she’s been making more appearances recently?

[@Abraxxis]

It's AmEng not AmOng uh-meng not ey-mong Emongg got you all messed up