Alan Gordon: Stop Chronic Pain

[@ericarichardson2983]

I have EDS and spent the majority of my life undiagnosed. Because of that I had people tell me my whole life that it was stress related, in my head, and a hypochondriac. I went into this guarded, and skeptical. Completely identified with Alan when he threw the book across the room. But there was so much compassion and understanding that it allowed me to open my mind to consider what was being said without judgement. 🖤

[@kazzey888]

I was a patient of Dr Sarno's 30 years ago. He helped Mr sooo much. But not till I found Nicole Sachs & listened to her podcast The Cure for Chronic pain did All the pieces of the puzzle click. Also love Dr Dan Ratner, Dani Fagan, Dan Buglio. I'm so happy you're having Alan Gordon on your show.

[@bryancleveland6013]

Hello 👋 how are you doing today?..

[@danwool]

Do you think this is the same approach as Dr. Sarno? Apart from the mindbody aspect, this seems different. I notice Dr Gordon seemed to go out of his way not to mention what book it was his mom recommended. I assumed it was Dr. Sarno's but maybe not. Mayim mentions Dr. Sarno a few times, but Dr Gordon, conspicuously, does not.

[@kazzey888]

Hmm, I have go re-listen. I just assumed they all are Dr sarno messengers. After all, he was the pioneer. It's the same message. Maybe some differences. I think these current Dr's & psychologists sharing updated info, some stress somatic, some journal, different tools to use. But it's all same message from what I glean

[@danwool]

@@kazzey888 Definitely the same general message, but A Gordon seems to be organized around fear, safety and his somatic-tracking. No mention of pain as distraction from repressed anger/emotions (to paraphrase Sarno drastically), which is a big part of Dr. Sarno’s approach. I was really hoping he’d discuss how he arrived at his variation of Dr. Sarno’s method, but he seems deliberately mum on the subject here and in The Way Out. It’s a great book, but as a TMSer I’m finding it difficult to adjust to it.

[@lizzieb8039]

@Karen Isaacs thank you so much for sharing !

[@robynfromcanada]

I had a pelvic floor physiotherapist give me stretches to do daily. Because my whole body felt that movement was unbearable and I had become so fearful of pain, I repeated this while I held my stretches: "Sore, but safe. Sore, but safe." 🥰 At 54:00-1:02:00 the references and descriptions for somatic tracking are perfect! 👏👏👏

[@MarkyMomma]

This podcast episode CHANGED MY LIFE. Thank you, Mayim! Thank you, Alan! Some low-key rotator cuff pain turned into massive, mind-blowing pain in March/ April 2020 when the pandemic rocked our planet. Physical therapy, stretching, massage, acupuncture all helped in little ways, but I couldn't get the pain under control. I was forced to end my 20 year career as a dentist and sell my thriving dental practice. The moment I heard this podcast I dove head first into all things neuroplastic pain/ TMS/ centralized pain, etc. The techniques Alan teaches are absolute game changers, and thanks to this I am now 80% pain free.

[@bassman3212]

This is amazing! Were you able to go back to practicing dentistry?

[@joanntuinier5781]

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[@PeaceIsYeshua]

@@bassman3212 This was my question too!!

[@PeaceIsYeshua]

@@Marky, that’s amazing! 🎉🎉 We are curious what you are now doing! Did you start up your practice again?

[@warrenisaac5634]

Thank You for posting this. I find it encouraging you were able to reach 80%

[@cassieoz1702]

It's important to understand the difference between pain and suffering. I still have uncomfortable sensations but they no longer result in suffering. I know that they come and go, that they don't get worse, that they are an passing illusion. My ability to function is dramatically improved and suffering diminished. The best outcome

[@sunshinencoastlines]

I’ve been studying this for several years now. No doubt in my mind that I have TMS. The Wizard of Oz is the best analogy I’ve ever heard regarding this. I’m so thankful for those that teach others about the stress illness.

[@NEChristo]

I love the Curable app. Alan has a very soothing voice it helps me to just listen to him.

[@larryc1964]

Alan Gordon , Sarno and many other TMS mindbody therapists are a gift to the world. They bring so much hope to those in excruciating chronic pain!

[@jackiegroden416]

Not only pain! So many other symptoms

[@harmonysinger8077]

Sarno personally treated 4 friends / acquaintances of mine.

[@auggied6760]

Hello, landsmen. 36 years ago I had the same gripping back pain and couldn’t walk stand or sit. It went away in two weeks after I finally read Sarno’s book in 2004. However, beware the symptom imperative in which pain returns in a different part of the body.

[@auggied6760]

@@jackiegroden416good point

[@MegInWhispers]

i can't believe this only has 28k views. more people NEED this information

[@c.schuster7353]

This information is so mindblowing to most of the people. I cannot put in words how much I appreciate the work of Alan Gordon and Howard Schubiner. I am a psychologist and I cannot wait to spread this powerful knowledge. Their work is an example of how liberating knowledge and education can be, if applied.

[@tamrahostens1009]

After this incredible episode… I immediately went on Amazon & ordered Alan’s book. I do not suffer like many do with horrible pain but with grief I’ve noticed MORE, and would not be surprised if it’s my brain trying to cope. I try to be open minded and love alternatives to costly surgery & medication … especially if it’s not necessary!!! Thank you for such insight!!!!

[@janeenerbaneener]

When Alan said, "You don't need to get the pain to go away, Mayim, because there is nothing to get rid of." Wow. Yes. I've been doing Curable since October 2020, have heard hours of Alan and still there are moments he just hits something home in a way that just blows me away. He chooses his words so expertly, well, he is an expert, hahaha, so I should stop being so surprised. Great podcast!! I just bought the book.

[@IrishMexican]

Mic drop moment

[@heidiort]

One of the things that is so great about this particular podcast is that chronic pain is a symptom of so many different things, and it can be hard to get a clear diagnosis. If I understand correctly, pretty much no matter what your diagnosis is -whether it’s fibromyalgia or back pain or headaches, - whatever it’s cause, this modality can bring relief. At the same time it’s important to understand what the underlying cause is and find healing of that as well. I’m buying the book.

[@despahotaru]

Books of Howard Schubiner, Sarno and Alan Gordon helped me to recover from chronic pain. I had an injury in my hands a year ago and it wouldn't go away with AI the treatments I've tried. Done xray, MRI, blood tests, nerve conduction test. They even checked my neck and shoulders and couldn't find anything. Tried different physical therapists. Also nothing. Eventually, i decided to read all these books about chronic pain and things slowly started to have sense. After a few months i was back working full time again, weight lifting and playing games. Sometimes i do get a mild feeling, but i constantly tell myself it is nothing major and after a hour it is gone. I just wished this knowledge was shared more within the medical community. I could have recovered within a few months instead of more than year. Oh well, better late than never.

[@reahlitytv440]

Your podcasts help a lot of people, especially me. Thank you for doing everything you can to help, even though you're dealing with your own pain.

[@Octaviacliosisley]

THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR STORY! Nobody is this honest, I am so grateful. This is what heals. You are amazing.

[@ChronicPainNoMore]

Hey Mayim - Heads up, TMS stands for Tension Myositis Syndrome. We still use the term as an homage to Dr John Sarno. This work saves lives. Millions....literally. I am an actor and radio announcer who is giving up her career in order to help people out of chronic pain. I struggled for 19 years. People need to know about it. They can be well.

[@caract960]

Good luck, I am one of those people Dr Sarno saved. I had increasing chronis pain for 20 years, it got to a point when I tried to commit suicide. Finally about a month ago I discovered TMS and Dr Sarno and my life has changed to much, I've gone from spending all day laid out on the floor in pain to running and cycling. I'm so frustrated, not at anyone personally just that I was not told about this before.

[@warrenisaac5634]

Thank You for this post

[@elizabethmoffett2836]

Or Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation

[@mudskippa8958]

I have always spoken fast as well. That's a huge insight. I totally get it. It's the same with constantly being busy. You don't stop long enough to feel. And it all adds to being stuck in fight or flight.

[@crh251]

I am a fast talker too and have chronic back pain. I need to slow down.

[@donnahiebert8887]

thank you so much for interviewing Alan Gordon! On my journey to cure chronic pain - thanks to Alan Gordon!

[@joaniemiller4362]

The ruminating on the pain and how you can get anxious, and just makes it worse. Thanks for this episode.

[@cchawk6280]

Amazed at how many commercials are on this channel. Doesn’t matter if host reads it, just means you can’t skip. Clever

[@zanzabird7612]

agree. Annoying enough that I'm going to look for another interview.

[@Mrs.R.1980]

True story, every time I hear Alan Gordon my symptoms calm down. Him specifically. I don't know if it's the tone in his voice that is reassuring but it helps me from time to time. I wish I had him on speed dial lol

[@zarahluna3363]

Same!!!

[@krissy789]

Same!

[@deepalilavi6710]

Agree!

[@ayuodagiri1577]

SAME OMG ❤

[@cherise93]

Yea he is so soothing

[@HeatherLandex]

Just diagnosed with fibromyalgia. Good opening discription of back pain. Was diagnosed with arthritis but only typical 40year old woman issues on an MRI. I'm going to read Alans book.

[@rhondarickey5374]

Mayim, thank you for your podcasts, especially this one! I had to stop a nursing career 6 years ago, because of of chronic back pain from a disc that kept herniating, even after multiple surgeries. I also have multiple other low back issues that are debilitating, but the pain definitely does get much worse with almost any stress. I also have fibro and multiple arthritis' that cause pain. I hope this book will help to reframe some of it so I can hurt less. I appreciate you so much!! 💜

[@Yaez.2709]

¿Y cómo te ha ido dos años después?

[@steve3439]

I’ve watched several interviews with Sarno and he says that even bone on bone diagnosis with pain can still be TMS. I wish there were more doctors in this country trained to rule out physical problems.

[@reluctant.valentine]

thank you so much for this episode. I have so much pain and absolutely nothing is physically wrong with me. this is gonna change my life. this podcast is the best thing I've ever found, and I will always promote you to everyone I interact with

[@chanclourdes4276]

It’s interesting how anyone can “thumbs down” an episode that has potential to help any of us suffering pain. Science is probably the only Real thing in this physical world. Blessings🙏🏻

[@marigold68]

Word

[@robynfromcanada]

I love that those of us with chronic pain can find understanding out there in internet-land! So psyched up to listen to this episode! 😁🥰😜

[@PropheticCoachTheresa]

As you are talking in the beginning about your experience with TMS pain Mayim, which I have had a lot too with lots of different manifestations, and hearing you as a person (this is my first time-hi!), it strikes me that one of the personality traits of those of us prone to this is a hyper awareness of other's experiences so that we suppress traumatic emotions and hurt so as to not "trigger" others anxiety or anger against us for expressing that hurt, fear, anger, etc., because as young children we were admonished in one way or another for expressing those feelings. So we become hyper aware of and wanting to moderate other's reactions to us is a part of trying to feel safe. In other words, being more aware of our environment. Every client I've worked with who experiences this is highly intelligent, very caring of others, aware and sensitive to the experience of others. Just a lightbulb moment. Thank you, shalom!

[@MargaretJEllis]

Mayim, once again, I can relate. I've also been in numerous' no fault' totalled accidents. I was told my pain was equal to having a baby. Now, I see a Network Chiropractor. My body finally getting it together!!

[@impoisonivy88]

Seeing you stand like that really made me think of myself. When I was a server, I constantly had to push a dish cart around the dining room and I was leaning almost half over the rail on the cart and dragging my left leg behind me because of sciatica. For several years I had tons of tests and physical therapy. I finally got a diagnosis of osteoarthritis of the lumbar facet joints. It is so crippling and I very often feel like there will never be any help. And basically doctors just tell me to suck it up and deal with it. I watch any podcast that deals with issues I deal with. You amaze me with your strength and wisdom. Thank you for your podcasts.

[@karenswartz8280]

OMG! In this podcast,you describe my life perfectly! Chronic pain, which has always been attributed to wear and tear from my 43 year career as a nurse, and imaging has only shown some arthritis. I started counseling in December 2020, and I’ve had a startling revelation that I have severe anxiety and OCD traits. I never knew it, because it’s been a part of my life since childhood. I also have Bipolar 2 disorder secondary to CSA and trauma. It manifests between my shoulders and upper back, and with fist clenching. I’m going through it right now, but I’m more aware and can interrupt it sometimes. At its worst (right now) I even wake up curled in a ball with my fists clenched, and of course I hurt all over. I will most certainly read Alan’s book, and pray it helps. Thanks.

[@oceanside88]

Trauma survival is likely why you make a good Nurse. Kudos for your strength 💪

[@AgendaInMind]

Most of the more severe illnesses happen to people by surprise, unexpectantly, impacting first in the brain, then in the corresponding organ which that part of the brain controls. The end of WWI had absolutely everything to do with the Flu and lung TB outbreak that occurred killing millions. In nature, the biological conflict linked with a territorial fear (just what it means-a fear in your territory, your home, your community, etc.) is a widening of the bronchia (tissue loss). Your body attempts to widen your bronchia in order to allow more air into your lungs to give you more strength and energy to fight to keep your territory safe. Stay with me.......The biological conflict linked with a death fright impacts the lungs. The lungs attempt to grow larger in order to allow more air in because breath equals life, as we all know. No breath equals death. While you are in the fear or death fright conflict, you notice no symptoms of “disease”, except you have cold hands, cold feet, you can’t sleep, you awaken at 3 AM every night, you have little appetite. During the war, millions of people were in fear of the bombing of their homes and cities where the war was most active. Fearing for their lives, their loved ones in the war, their ability to survive. The food in the stores was sparse due to shortages. This lasted for 4 long years! The longer the conflict, the worse the healing phase. Within 2 weeks of the German Chancellor announcing the end of WWI, these millions of people ALL went into the healing phase all at the same time. It is during the healing phase that you experience symptoms of illness! What is the healing phase of the bronchia widening? Severe bronchitis, pneumonia. The body attempts to refill this lost tissue and you experience inflammation, fever, coughing, body aches, fatigue, etc. What is the healing phase of the extra lung tissue that grew? Decomposing of the tissue by TB bacteria and fungi. The symptoms of this healing phase are: severe coughing up of blood and tissue, fever, inflammation, severe mucous, body aches, fatigue. During this decomposing of the extra tissue (tumor), the body expels a lot of protein, and without replenishment, severe protein loss can result in death. Antibiotics did not exist yet. If TB bacteria does not exist in a person or they have been vaccinated against TB (big mistake), then the tumor will simply encapsulate and become dormant and not harm you. Who died during the Spanish Flu? Mainly the poor who could not afford to buy meat and proper nourishment, and the people who were directly impacted by the bombings and destruction of their homes. Millions of people suffered fear and death frights during the fighting of WWI, and millions of people all went into healing at the end of it. Not everyone was affected because not everyone suffered the same way. It’s not a “flu”, it’s not something you “catch”. It’s biological, meaningful, and unavoidable. One hundred years later, a Fear Campaign begins, using the media to spread it......

[@4TIMESAYEAR]

The amount of arthritis does not always correspond to the amount of pain you have. Your pain may be entirely appropriate, even though the arthritis doesn't show much. It also depends on who's reading the tests. Turns out my "moderate" arthritis is actually end stage and my GP let me down. They should have been able to do better reading the x-ray. Be careful with psychiatry. They have no diagnostic tests. They made up names for behaviors and voted them in the DSM

[@marigold68]

Wow, thank you so much! Beyond amazing. I can't even tell you how much this episode has helped me! Mayim, I worship you! You too J!!!!

[@SarahLitterick]

Do people with autistim, ADHD, sensory processing disorder or other neurodivergent issues represent a large number of neuroplastic pain sufferers? I really resonate with this material and am so thankful you had the courage to share your stories.

[@learntobake2023]

I've been inspired by you for most of my life. Never more so than during this episode! You are strong, intelligent and influential.

[@BMarPiano]

This is spot on! I’ve read all of Sarno’s books; great to know his work is being continued and of Alan’s work. Another great podcast for Mayim!

[@harmonysinger8077]

It's evolving and refining just like Sarno himself did while living

[@jillianeberlin2519]

I know this episode is 2 yrs old but wanted to thank you so much for talking about this topic. I also have had mind-body issues in the past related to stressful events in my life & one of them was a dizziness condition that lasted almost a year with no particular physical abnormality to blame. I heavily watched "The Steady Coach" (Dr. Yonit Arthur) on KZbin & was able to understand how I was perpetuating my own condition by fixating on it & dwelling on the stress in my life. She's brilliant & has a ton of interviews with those who speak about chronic pain and its similarity to chronic dizziness. Life-changing stuff & I'm so thankful to have learned about it because it made a huge difference in my life!

[@monicamiller2838]

Love this episode. The dialogue between the two of you after the guest’s segment ended-about emotions & emotional environment impacting recovery-was great! Thank you.

[@gmamah9559]

Thank you for discussing chronic pain! Four back surgeries, migraines, and fibromyalgia have led to anxiety and depression since 1985. Can't wait to read the book! Love your work. Smart chick's rock!!

[@kazzey888]

I've healed 43 years of migraines with this know (Dan buglio, Nicole sachs,) do a deep dive on all this & you'll see so many improvements

[@Nan-59]

Have you gotten the book? And if so, how has it been going for you?

[@renita2012]

This episode is INCREDIBLE! Buying the book ASAP! Thank you so much for what you & Jonathan do with this podcast, Mayim!! 🤍

[@taliandzelda5006]

It work! still baffled how. I'm not questioning being pain free

[@bryfount9052]

I love this podcast!!!!!! I have a disability and have a clear reason for experiencing pain, but this paradigm change and yoga is how I have pain management. The medications are there sometimes, but that is a short term, I'm rushed kind of bandaid fix until I'm able to slow down and focus on my breath and stretch out.

[@britaneelilly8147]

I'm currently learning from Alan Gordon and an integrative med doc to "cure" my (caused by long Covid) Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome, which has been ruining my life. Happy to see this podcast!

[@filukkasunivers2389]

Omg the commercials, I alreade pay youtube to remove them but now you put them in ur video. Please STOOOOOP

[@julierogers4473]

I'v been suffering for 11 years now and 2 back surgeries later I'm so much worse than I was before. My muscles are completely contracted and crushing me to death ☠️💀

[@hugo3conde]

John's question towards the end of the podcast hits it on the nail for me - for years he dismissed this hip pain as TMS/ Neuroplastic pain - then come to find out - he has no cartilage in his hip and needs a hip replacement... It is tough that ALL I got from this podcast was that - the negative part - that goes to show how negative my brain is and that I need to work on that to help in my healing. I got the book and will begin to read.

[@Authentistic-ism]

This episode brought me back to my high school beat-poetry club. I was a very popular outcast within this group and they loved it when I would read my stanzas rhythmically and emotionally aloud. I realize now that had some self regulatory effects. I also played wind instruments. Breath control is fun.

[@ngaston-mcdonald3744]

I needed to hear this and will be purchasing this book. I've been researching for a friend who suffers from Chronic Pain with no definitive diagnosis from his providers. I look forward to seeing how this study effects medical practices and hope it can be of help for my friend. Stay blessed Mayim.

[@happygransgarden8167]

I would love to hear a podcast with someone who suffers with Lyme Disease. I’ve followed several individuals who have had it for years but did not receive a diagnosis from doctors until they were in the later stages of pain. Actually many of the same symptoms talking about in this episode are similar to those in people with Lyme Disease. It’s a very hard thing to diagnose for some folks.

[@kazzey888]

Listen to Nicole sachs podcast

[@chadhoward1982]

Standard practice in pain diagnosis, at least nowadays, is to check for lime disease. It typically is in the second round of test when the main culprits are ruled out. I remember being in so much pain and wanting a diagnosis that I was hoping my test results came back positive for lyme disease. It didn't.

[@jackiegroden416]

Same way no matter the symptoms!

[@summerdais325]

Thank you for this Mayim and Alan! Not that I could afford it, but I couldn't afford not to get this book. It's extremely rare that I would buy something "frivolous" like a book, but I firmly believe it will be money well spent. I have a number of friends who (also) live in chronic pain. I will be sharing this with them, or I may even get it as a gift for them. 💜

[@bryancleveland6013]

Hello 👋 how are you doing today?..

[@summerdais325]

@@bryancleveland6013 😂 hello Always a good day to be alive, right?

[@bryancleveland6013]

@@summerdais325 yeah. Nice meeting you. Where do you live. I have to say you have a beautiful smile and a lovely name

[@sbyerley]

@@summerdais325 Do you have a library nearby? If so, go there first as it may have his book, in any case checkout doctor/author Jon Kabat-Zinn. He has several books out, all widely respected , some bestsellers, titles include “Full Catastrophe Living” and “Wherever you go, There you Are”, but ANY book by him will give you a great understanding and “how-to” on mindfulness for pain, depression, ptsd, ocd, etc. Best Wishes!

[@lisaatchley3328]

I really appreciate this. I do have physical reason for some of my chronic pain, but I think that leads to a lot of other pain I'm experiencing. This was very insightful.

[@AgendaInMind]

Most of the more severe illnesses happen to people by surprise, unexpectantly, impacting first in the brain, then in the corresponding organ which that part of the brain controls. The end of WWI had absolutely everything to do with the Flu and lung TB outbreak that occurred killing millions. In nature, the biological conflict linked with a territorial fear (just what it means-a fear in your territory, your home, your community, etc.) is a widening of the bronchia (tissue loss). Your body attempts to widen your bronchia in order to allow more air into your lungs to give you more strength and energy to fight to keep your territory safe. Stay with me.......The biological conflict linked with a death fright impacts the lungs. The lungs attempt to grow larger in order to allow more air in because breath equals life, as we all know. No breath equals death. While you are in the fear or death fright conflict, you notice no symptoms of “disease”, except you have cold hands, cold feet, you can’t sleep, you awaken at 3 AM every night, you have little appetite. During the war, millions of people were in fear of the bombing of their homes and cities where the war was most active. Fearing for their lives, their loved ones in the war, their ability to survive. The food in the stores was sparse due to shortages. This lasted for 4 long years! The longer the conflict, the worse the healing phase. Within 2 weeks of the German Chancellor announcing the end of WWI, these millions of people ALL went into the healing phase all at the same time. It is during the healing phase that you experience symptoms of illness! What is the healing phase of the bronchia widening? Severe bronchitis, pneumonia. The body attempts to refill this lost tissue and you experience inflammation, fever, coughing, body aches, fatigue, etc. What is the healing phase of the extra lung tissue that grew? Decomposing of the tissue by TB bacteria and fungi. The symptoms of this healing phase are: severe coughing up of blood and tissue, fever, inflammation, severe mucous, body aches, fatigue. During this decomposing of the extra tissue (tumor), the body expels a lot of protein, and without replenishment, severe protein loss can result in death. Antibiotics did not exist yet. If TB bacteria does not exist in a person or they have been vaccinated against TB (big mistake), then the tumor will simply encapsulate and become dormant and not harm you. Who died during the Spanish Flu? Mainly the poor who could not afford to buy meat and proper nourishment, and the people who were directly impacted by the bombings and destruction of their homes. Millions of people suffered fear and death frights during the fighting of WWI, and millions of people all went into healing at the end of it. Not everyone was affected because not everyone suffered the same way. It’s not a “flu”, it’s not something you “catch”. It’s biological, meaningful, and unavoidable. One hundred years later, a Fear Campaign begins, using the media to spread it......

[@RavenSoupe5]

Mayim, your intro is describing the current state of my life and body (as I currently sit at work with an ice pack on my shoulder). Stress has always been detrimental to my health. I have had chronic pain for the last 10yrs from Lyme's Disease, West Nile, and a fibromyalgia diagnosis (within a 1yr span). As time has gone on, Doctor's cannot find a route cause to any of my residual pain. I have discovered that not all injuries create a bruise. Sometimes the worst pain is that which no one can see. Yes, my body has been through a lot, but my mind has been through so much worse. At 25, I am finally learning that hiding my pain from those closest to me only hurts me more. I am accepting the fact that I need to ask for help and find long term solutions. Your podcasts has helped me tremendously. Thank you. Thank you for all the book recommendations. I look forward to reading them and healing (however slow that may be). ❤

[@oohellosaweenaoo]

I love you Mayim, for your honesty and how relatable you are. ❤ something about Alan is so likable, I follow his podcast and noticed I saw improvement back then…but I need to go back start reading again and trusting the process…I’m back to having fear and throw all that I learn about TMS aside thinking I have real medical condition cuz my stomach was out of wack and I was dealing with a lot of panic attack.. was a mess. Thanks for interviewing Alan… your podcast is always so insightful, thanks Mayim.❤

[@sylviaoesterwinter8858]

I love these three! So excited to see Alan Gordon on this show. Would love to know what you all think of Dr. Gabor Mate and “When the Body Says No and generational trauma. The Curable App made such a difference to me. But the emotional work that had to happen was a shit ton. And when I first learned about this I started sending my pain all over the place- often up. So much better now.

[@bobbiek1976]

I suffer from chronic lower back pain and knee(s) pain(I’ve torn my meniscus) in both knees and I suffer ankle sprains both ankles! I did buy the one book The Mindbody Prescription by John E Sarno, M.D. and have not read it yet. Would you recommend I read it before or after The Way Out. I pray Jonathan is healing well and very healthy and fast! Mayim thank you for showing us this info and being vulnerable for us. I’m glad this podcast is available and I tend to share with friends and family! 🧡

[@crh251]

I would probably read The Mindbody Prescription first to give you an idea about how there is a connection with the mind and the body. Then I would read Alan’s book.

[@myopinionmatters]

I have neuropathy, I have tested positive for a small fiber neuropathy large fiber neuropathy, ulnar Nueropathy, and autonomic Nueropathy. I have had pain for over 10 years, what irritates me about this is it’s putting all chronic pain in one box. I listened to a podcast with this psychologist Alan Gordon, and he doesn’t use people with actual diseases, he uses people who have back pain for his test. Back pain is best dealt with by being up and moving around and a lot of people tend to sit and just feel it. Of course that has affects that are mental, The pain gets worse you stay Stationary thinking that will help and it doesn’t, it actually makes your back worse. So changing their psychological mind over matter of course that works. My problem is he didn’t question anybody who has a pain disease, that is something that they can’t exercise away, they can’t diet away, they are just in pain because that’s what is happening in their body. If I’m wrong, then prove me wrong, do a study with Nueropathy patients, tell me that if you change their mindset that their pain goes away, with proof, because until you do this is not groundbreaking!

[@crh251]

I’m just curious if you’re on any acid reflux medications? Those can lead to neuropathy in the limbs due to lowering stomach acid.

[@myopinionmatters]

@@crh251 Interesting, no I was for a very short time and then I had to have fundoplication surgery years ago, long before I had neuropathy.

[@carlav494]

In response to your comment, my understanding after reading Gordon’s book is that whether your symptoms are ‘back pain’ neuropathy’ ‘abdominal pain’ etc, and whether it’s ‘diagnosed’ or not, the same theory applies to all chronic symptoms. In his book he does say that you may be diagnosed with a specific condition, but that doesn’t matter. You may not even have ‘pain’ per se, your symptoms could be chronic fatigue, dysautonomia, neuropathy…insert symptom here, but the prognosis is the same for all. It’s irrelevant whether you have a diagnosed ‘condition’, ‘disease’, or just ‘chronic back pain’ and with this in mind it is quite ground breaking imo.

[@AndreaAvila78]

Thank you so much for your podcast. It's such a pleasure to listen to you. I love your voice and accent. I use your podcasts to practice my English listening skills. You speak English so beautifully, you're so educated and eloquent. I wish I could speak English like you.

[@chadhoward1982]

I just got diagnosed with this exact same thing, they told me my brain is stuck in fight or flight mode. Which surprisingly has it's pros and cons. Pro: I have the ability to learn and understand very complex things that the normal human can't wrap their heads around. For example: I watch and read things about unsolvable math problems, and quantum mechanics & physics for fun. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Con: simple tasks can sometimes be overwhelming for me, i.e. organizing anything; I can't figure out where to start. Oh yeah, and I have excruciating pain throughout my whole body, from my neck down to my toes. You said you have a trigger, stress, right? My trigger is supposedly my heart beat. So, that's a thing. 😮‍💨 Meditation helps a little, and I'm trying to do the methods described by Alan in my meditation but so far no progress. I would love to do his treatment, but Pain Reprocessing Therapy is expensive and insurance doesn't cover it. I was actually trying to find a PRT meditation video when I came across this. I'm glad you're bringing awareness to this issue. 🤗 Advocacy and education is the only way to change insurance & healthcare's mentality on chronic pain. So, thank you again! 👏 Edit: when you said the list of all types of area of pain and symptoms; the fatigue, the itching, the toes ... I have every single one of those all the time. 😢 Bought the book. So I'm hoping it will work.

[@mitchellcampbell2775]

I’m only a few minutes into this episode and I can totally relate. I sat down for breakfast a month and a half ago, and felt the all too familiar “snap crackle and pop”. After a week of being confined to fetal position in bed in excruciating pain, a cortisone injection, and some serious pain medication, I am still in unbearable pain. This is the longest this pain has lasted, and the only variable that has changed is my level of stress.

[@Truerealism747]

How are you today

[@belindafrost8047]

This is absolute gold! Thank you so much for this. You are describing a lot of what I have been through. It is so reassuring to here it from someone else, and to have an option to get well! I cant thank you all enough. Im just waiting on the book now. So helpful.

[@Immortalsoul669]

She described the exact same pain that i have. Ive never heard anyone who had the same as me

[@zilyte]

Love this study, will try to think about it if my back starts hurting

[@eardashock]

Huge fan of Alan Gordon's work. I too started my recovery journey by stumbling into Sarno's healing back pain book, continued along that path and made good progress on my own with Alan's 21 day pain recovery program (after quitting my therapist of a decade who I finally realized wasnt helping me), then got rid of my chronic pain once I started working with a therapist at Alan's Pain Psychology Center, whom I'm still working with. Thank you for sharing your story and having Alan on. Looking forward to a follow up episode with him.

[@dennisjacksonmr.hat4664]

I feel your pain. I have back pain that has caused me to miss dialysis because i can sit for 4 hours. Gone without sleep for months. I went to a pain management dr and he wants to do surgery now.

[@ML-bb7ek]

Please please look into Alan’s work..also Dr Sarno’s books (Mindbody Prescription is great one to start with) and Nicole Sachs’ book and podcast. You can do this! Wishing you the absolute best🌟

[@angiedesantis507]

This was fascinating. I felt like you were talking about me. I have recently discovered Dr Sarno, Nicole Sachs and Alan Gordon. I 100% believe that my lifetime of chronic pains are mind body, TMS related. Now I just feel overwhelmed as to how to start next. I do not have a MB therapist. I guess I will be purchasing Alan's book next, and continuing to look online at the resources. Its wonderful to have at our fingertips, but overwhelming at the same time as to where to start. Any tips? I have had at least 28 years of chronic pain issues, and fit all of the personality traits described. Habits are hard to break . Thank you all, for this enlightening podcast.

[@themobbit9061]

I’m so happy to hear about this. I have clients with chronic pain associated with trauma. Peter Levine’s method can be somewhat effective but lacks in ongoing exposure, conditioning. I am very excited to read the book.

[@larryc1964]

You will not be disappointed. This is groundbreaking material. I suffer from chronic unexplained pain and I got onto this through Dan Buglios KZbin channel. I’m in my journey to recovery after 5 years severe hip leg pain that opioids don’t even touch

[@themobbit9061]

@@larryc1964 That is awesome and encouraging to hear. Thank you!

[@nikitakanodia3223]

@@larryc1964 how are you now? Is your pain completely gone?

[@nikitakanodia3223]

@@larryc1964 how are you now? Is your pain completely gone?

[@lauraschmuck5565]

Oh my goodness!! I have all the symptoms of Alan Gordon's symptoms with no known cause. I have am a naturally anxious person and I also have developed daily panic attacks because I am so scared what my body is going to do.

[@catetobin8565]

Mayim! I have loved you on Jeopardy and now I've found you here! I'm so excited to watch more!

[@sidselboyepetersen6541]

Thank you for a most amazing interview! Ordered the book and got the Pain Reducing Workbook for free.

[@melissadavis7258]

Thank you for having a helpful episode with no cussing. It is appreciated.😊

[@sarahniederman8949]

Oh my gosh I laughed so hard at the end there.. ya’ll are a HOOT! Thank you so much for breaking down so I don’t feel bad for breaking down… as I sit here with my heat pad on my back as usual ;) much love to you both! THANK YOU AGAIN FOR EVERYTHING!

[@eringustuson5073]

I want to read his book. Although I know my pain will never go away because my back is really messed up! Almost no discs left in my lumbar spine, severe neuroforaminal stenosis, moderate spinal stenosis, scoliosis, beginning stages of arthritis and spinal stenosis in my neck and Hemangioma’s in my C6 and T6. One thing I’ve noticed is when my depression and anxiety is worse, my pain is worse. So I know your psychology can have an impact on pain.

[@minitanksandchairs]

Oh god, thank you so much! The, talking and being told to "calm down" part really resonated..

[@MayimBialik]

So glad this one resonated with you. Thanks very much for sharing, and for being here! 🧠🫶

[@katamarigemson3068]

Amazing episode, thank you so much for spreading the word on this Mayim! I’ve had chronic pain for over three years now, and discovered Curable, and Alan’s work earlier this year, and it’s been life changing. I’m not “all better” but it’s amazing knowing that I can heal (and am healing!). I would LOVE to see you interviews Nicole Sachs, her work complements this so well, and she worked with Dr. Sarno for many years. Her JournalSpeak method is fantastic. Thanks again for this episode, Alan’s book is amazing I recommend it to anyone struggling with chronic pain ❤️

[@cherise93]

Hey 👋🏼 did the curable app work well for you, I have neuroplastic pain and am considering paying for the app but the cost does come into it as I'm not working and trying to find out if it's worth me investing in right now or if jus maybe purchasing Alan's book the way out would be jus as beneficial? X

[@katamarigemson3068]

@@cherise93 yes it did! I spent years in debilitating pain, which basically morphed into fibro symptoms and fatigue. Curable, along with Alan Gordon’s work and that of Nicole Sachs has completely changed my life! I’m back working again, on my feet all day. I’m back living my life after feeling completely helpless and hopeless. It’s not a quick process and there are ups and downs, and it’s hard work at times, but yes, I really recommend curable.

[@cherise93]

@@katamarigemson3068 thank you for responding I'm so glad your bk living life again like that. It's incredible. That's what I was told fibro & CFS but I know it's mind body pain it's obvious so I'm on the right track ..like u say it's work n it's patience & commitment to it but it will pay off. So I keep going. N I'll pay for the curable app then. Thank you & blessings 🙏🏽

[@myndfulness]

Great podcast! I’m a pain psychologist and I’ve shared this video/podcast with my patients. 💝☀️✊🏽 Thank you! By the way, highly recommending Stephen Porges, PhD (The Polyvagal Theory, PVT). I use his PVT framework with PRT ...and something called Sound Vagal Stimulation to calm the nervous system (anxiety-pain).

[@ChronicPainNoMore]

Ps....there are two approaches to this syndrome: Neuroscientific approach of Alan and Howard Schubiner (thank gawd, for Alan) where you go after pain reprocessing, and there is also the repressed emotional work (Nicole Sachs and John Sarno) that should be done for those of us who do not respond to the brain training. Excavating stored trauma and repressed emotions is required for some of us to get out of pain. As Sarno said, the pain is a defense against repressed emotions in the unconscious. These emotions are trying ot find their way to your awareness, but are being repressed by the brain and nervous system as they are seen as too emotionally painful in nature. Addressing that stuff is what I needed to get free...after 19 years.

[@mariez339]

Thank you for this message 🙏

[@SunnyCarnivore]

I was trying to make the connection of the two different approaches; you explained it perfect, ty! I am twenty years of chronic pain

[@ChronicPainNoMore]

@@SunnyCarnivore yeah, it took me a while. I think both are required for most people. Especially if you have had long term chronic pain like you and I. When it’s that long, I’d say there is definitely childhood stuff, together with repressed emotions and daily stressors (Nicole Sachs/ Sarno angle). But for the recent flares, Alan Gordon’s approach has worked well. Two podcasts that describe the two ‘sides’ well: Nicole Sachs podcast - the cure for chronic pain - was an absolute must for for. And Alan Gordon’s podcast - tell me about your pain- is also super helpful for the Neuroplastic side of it. Cover both and you will be free.

[@SunnyCarnivore]

@@ChronicPainNoMore ty 💕

[@ChronicPainNoMore]

@@SunnyCarnivore So was I. :)

[@McStorch0]

Great podcast and info. The sad part is that celebrities have easy access to help like Alan Gordon but the rest of us, not so easy.

[@lesleywalker507]

This is so true, if only we could all have Alan help us but lack of funds make it impossible.

[@mollypowell8430]

Just read the book.

[@authenticthreads]

I’m frustrated that 30 minutes in and both Mayim and Alan have repeatedly described Fibromyalgia but no one has uttered the word. I feel like things like this invalidate the diagnosis, which is very real, but lots of doctors still refuse to recognize it. They tell us we’re crazy and overmedicate us. When I saw the title I was really hopeful that Mayim would be able to discuss the neurological aspects of Fibromyalgia.

[@authenticthreads]

51:42 finally, Fibromyalgia. Please can we have a real discussion of Fibromyalgia?

[@-essexgirl-]

Fibromyalgia is a syndrome term given when there is no physical reason for pain. It’s completely neurological. I work with people in mind/body techniques for Fibro. It responds so well to these techniques.

[@arellerodejale7458]

Is there a video where you've explained love? If no, would you please do one? Much thanks, Miss Mayim 🙂

[@kathleenquilausing255]

I’m buying that book! I need that book. I’m also addicted to reading lol. It’s a good addiction. This makes sense. My pain is brought on through stress. It’s it a coincidence

[@nataliesirota2611]

Awesome! (BTW, I am ruminating right now - UGH!) Thank you to Alan, gotta get the book ASAP! Thanks, Mayim, for bringing all of this to us. Blessings, Jonathan, on your surgery.

[@stephanietapia9665]

Thank you Mayim, Jonathan and Alan Gordon for this interview and providing the demonstration. Very helpful. 🙏Mahalo

[@whengoodenough]

I have more pain now just listening to all of Mayim's pain complaints. I empathize but cut to the chase. I wish Alan could talk more about his work and treatment options out of the gate. 22 minutes in and I don't have any new knowledge - between Mayim's pain history and the ads. Time is precious. Going to keep trying to listen but I also just want to crawl into a hole and die.

[@lindamallinson7710]

My husband was quiet, never raised his voice. Could fall asleep in 10 minutes but when he was sleeping his fist were clenched white knuckle tight. I’d open them and moments later they were clenched tight again🤷‍♀️

[@amytucker7419]

Wow. I was literally talki ng about this and switching over to mind body connection work this morning with my therapist. Talk about a paradigm shift. Psychologically jarring might be an understatement for me at the moment.

[@darciamcdaniel4531]

Mayim, I have had to stop your podcast when you have been in a fast-talking state because it made me anxious. I love thinking about it as not attending to myself because I too dominate the conversation and talk fast when I am stressed. I will watch your podcast even more if you kept that slow pace. We can always speed up the podcast if we get bored.

[@amandakerr1362]

Great episode!!! Hope Jonathan's surgury went well wishing for a speedy recovery ❤

[@kelsqi-books4835]

🤣🤣 the second Mayim said she was standing i thought, "was this filmed after she tried to move a couch?" Aaaand it was. 😅😘 I hope you're feeling better now!!

[@harmonysinger8077]

Dr. Sarno and Alan Gordon are tops I salute a long list of mind body teachers In no particular order Louise Hay Candace Pert Bernie Siegel Joe Dispenza Bruce Lipton Robert G Smith Inna Segal Henry Grayson Vincent Fellitti Odille Remmert

[@kimberlyferrier1312]

I had some really bad hip and knee pain this last three weeks. I went to my chiropractor and met someone with Hashimoto’s thyroiditis. I told her I have Celiac Disease and that have odd symptoms that drive me nuts. She said try AIP diet (autoimmune Protocol). It took about a day and a half and I felt better…not great yet, but I can walk. If you are gluten free already it’s a little easier but it’s still difficult but worth it. No nightshades, nuts, seeds, dairy, beans. As bad as your symptoms were, this might really help. You might have some serious food sensitivities going on. I was eating a lot of beans previously.

[@silvercat3124]

This book is amazing. It's helped me so much with my pppd

[@marisamartinezolivera]

OMG! The 🔔🔔 of this Thursday’s BialikBreakdown tip episode got me in the upper part of a a six-story scaffold! 🤭Will watch it later!

[@marisamartinezolivera]

Tip of the day: Practicing SLOWING DOWN! Going to buy this book ASAP. Tnx for your open vulnerabilty here, Mayim!💙 Very worried too by Jonathsn’s health! Even more if this epi was recorded before his hip replacement! (Wishing you the best, copilot!) He’s pale as lacking red blood cells or very, very bad illuminated while recording the video (though in Babble commercial he was better) A question: How is all Alan explained here related with the “phantom pain” an amputated person experiences? I’ve a friend whose leg nedded to be amputated up the knee bc an advanced stage of a sarcoma, and he always explained the terrible pain he felt in his not existing leg.. Thank you both of you for another exceptional episode!!

[@ANOOPBAL]

Phantom pain is a great example of how pain in in the brain. It is like along term memory that is very hard to go away!

[@jenjohnson1136]

I hope that both of you are feeling an improvement now and that you have a good year.

[@taliandzelda5006]

Just got the book. Holy COW! It really works.

[@fortusmartin7650]

Definitely top grade content! Imagine the benefits if most of the millions of people who have chronic pain can harness this idea. Imagine the amount of suffering that can be alleviated. Plus imagine the hundreds of billions of dollars worth of increased productivity and savings on medications and healthcare expense in general

[@JulesUS8386]

I have several rare genetic disorders, on disability, that lead to pain/hospitalization/surgeries etc. I have tried everything to ease pain! There’s nothing in the world, at dr offices, online, I haven’t tried. I wish I could ease pain. Not sleeping is a huge issue too…bc of pain from structural damage in my body. I have a sleep number bed and about 20 different pillows trying to ease pain, along with meditation and just sleeping in a recliner at times. I have no trouble falling asleep. I just wake up hurting too bad to sleep about every thirty min every night for over 15 years now. I cannot do yoga or things of that nature without ending up in the hospital, literally. The worse part is seeing my kids starting the same disorders I unknowingly passed to them. I wish I could find something that worked. If not for me…for my kids.

[@krzysamm7095]

When I had to get a neurostimulator placed for severe back and leg pain on my left side I had to be cleared by a psychiatrist before I could even qualify for the test period before implantation.

[@staceyjohnson2929]

Ironically, I just got over a week of severe tongue pain. Other than childbirth, I've never had pain so intense. It was from biting it and a sore formed. I don't recommend.

[@sbyerley]

This seems like another take on Jon Kabat-Zinn’s Mindfulness work that began decades ago and is still helping to take the edge off for many suffering people, like us.

[@sleepyhead8681]

I have sever chronic pain from injuries and am nearly bedridden at 34. It is so depressing but you get used to it, my meds help A bit. Mediation as well.