Alan Wake Is a Hack | Castle Super Beast 244 Clips

[@davidd.6448]

Alan Wake may be a hack but I bet you it wouldn't have taken him an hour + chat prompts to figure out the code to the shotgun cabinet was 739

[@JakeTalksGamesYT]

Funniest thing is that lock isn't even affixed properly. Saga could've just popped it open

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

At this point I literally could not tell you what a good writer is

[@RavenCloak13]

The most real answer ever on writing.

[@quantras2673]

Obviously anything I like is good.

[@AnakinSkywalker-u5b]

Anything that doesn't approach David Cage or Garth Ennis territory is a decent author bare minimum.

[@Urthdigger]

As far as Steven King being a hack goes, there was a period where I was reading anthologies of his lesser known stuff and it was honestly really bad. Like, atrociously bad. Main difference between Alan Wake and Stephen King though, is Steven King went "Eh, fuck it" and just kept writing stuff, some of which really landed with folks, while Alan gave in to the depression.

[@johnrivers3813]

From what I heard from an interview with Steven King is that everyday he has a set goal to write x amount of pages no matter what, awful or not. His ability to be able to put out subpar work and not define himself by it is what every creator should aspire to, it's way too easy to tie your self worth with the work you produce that a lot of creators get depressed when they make shit or hit a writers block.

[@sagecolvard9644]

That could be from one of 2 periods of his. The cocaine years, which are fairly self explanatory, or the Debt years, during which he released a bunch of stories he had previously written and deemed not good enough to publish in order to pay his medical bills.

[@Urthdigger]

@@johnrivers3813 That sounds about right. I honestly found it kinda aspirational at the time, showing that making crappy stuff is an important step on the road to making great stuff.

[@johnrivers3813]

@@Urthdiggersomething my ceramic arts teacher told us the first day of class is that you have to make 1,000 plates before you can make one perfect plate and there's a god honest truth to that. Even if you're gifted you gotta do the leg work to get somewhere exceptional and even then you'll still produce shit every now and then.

[@johnrivers3813]

@@sagecolvard9644oh yeah that makes sense

[@raccoonofmotivation20]

Alan using ai writing scripts to fuck with the darkness has to be a thing at some point.

[@Secret_Takodachi]

too clever for the writers of this game

[@chrisossu2070]

Would the incomprehensibility give the Dark Presence more or less ways to escape into reality.

[@jerryjezzaberry5009]

​@chrisossu2070 no because as Alan states the story has to be good. It has to make sense and to follow the rules of its genre. Ai can't remember the last sentence in most cases let alone write a good book with coherency and remember the rules of the horror genre.

[@bej4987]

The real darkness is you, the viewer

[@RougeMephilesClone]

Not sure if he has a computer in there, typewriting is kind of his thing.

[@kip_c]

The funniest part is that Alan Wake starts with Alan DIRECTLY quoting Stephen King by name which immediately signals that King exists in the AW universe already

[@RicochetForce]

I love that you have characters flat out saying the only reason things have gotten as bad as they have because the dude's a hack. Random flailing from a bad writer causing the mother of all horror stories.

[@antonhanna2423]

So Alan Wake's a moderately successful version of Brian Griffin, but with only half the egomania?

[@neighandwhinnymchorse2100]

​@@antonhanna2423what a way to put it

[@tylerlackey1175]

​@@antonhanna2423half of infinity is still infinity

[@kaijuultimax9407]

@@antonhanna2423 It's more like Alan Wake is a joke about mediocre but successful writer's like Stephen King (outside of the classics, his writing sucks) or James Patterson.

[@jacknicholson2071]

​@@kaijuultimax9407 In what world are those two comparable?

[@magickoopa24]

5:38 My favorite part about revisiting Alan Wake 1 was realizing that the last person FBI Agent Nightingale references against Wake is calling him Steven King, which only makes Wake following in his footsteps all the funnier to me

[@stephensmith7327]

Not really. Alan Wake seems to have got famous off of one series and then reached a block. Stephen King meanwhile practices Qauntity over Quality although he does produce some quality Work (The Shawshank Redemption, The Stand, and The Dark Tower Series being the most famous) George RR Martin famously said to Stephen King "HOW THE FUCK DO YOU WRITE SO FAST!!! YOU TURN OUT 3 BOOKS A YEAR AND I FEEL CONSTIPATED LOOKING AT MY TYPEWRITER!!!!"

[@1wayroad935]

I...kinda wanna see a dystopian YA novel written by Alan Wake.

[@magickoopa24]

There is a short narrative in the game itself about being saved frommushroom based zombies by a cool writer...but it is explicitly labelled as fanfic. Almost hoping it's a tease for the future 😂

[@cyberninjazero5659]

"The bad guys are called the 230's. get it? Tooth Hurties."

[@Secret_Takodachi]

It's called a YA novel. You think Alan would write anything more clever than Maze Runner? Or Hunger games? Sorry, I forgot fans of this series like musicals in their trashy media. 🤮

[@tokageebo]

@Secret_Takodachi why are you even here?

[@just_matt214]

​@@Secret_Takodachiwhat is it that has made you so hateful?

[@alephnole7009]

It's funny Pat mentions Sam Lake and Kojima because they just took a photo together the other day. And Sam Lake is in death stranding. Surprised he isn't in charge of Lake knot city but is instead the veteran porter.

[@crazygamer4260]

Honestly find it hilarious that a handful of people in game just say "I don't really like his books" in passing but that's somehow enough for pat to think it means remedy is calling Stephen King a hack

[@SBJ_Tube]

Calling Mr. Door a Magic Black Person is literally correct, but questionable in terms of how the term is used. He's a person involved with the magical events in question (before Alan was ever involved) who is sort of drawn into Alan's storyline. He decides to go along with things for his own reasons. The implication that Alan CREATED a powerful magical black person to guide him is completely inaccurate.

[@markusa5293]

26:12 Yes! Caldera Street station has so many winks and nudges towards Roscoe Street station.

[@adamruiz3683]

Being a good storyteller and being a good writer are not mutually exclusive.

[@syweb2]

Do you mean mutually inclusive?

[@Vanity0666]

If Alan wake was a good writer he would have written out all of the major plot points he wanted to hit in advance which would have prevented all of his bullshit in the first place

[@stephensmith7327]

​@@Vanity0666depends, because the Darkness in the first game was explicitly editorializing the story to benefit itself, so it clearly has some authorship over the story the same way Akira Toriama's editor was able to steer The Cell Saga into being the Cell Saga and not the Android Saga.

[@beanclam]

regardless of how someone views the quality of Alan's writing, I just roll my eyes whenever people say Alan keeps making bad decisions. Like, duh.... Alan already wasn't in the best headspace at the start of the first game and he's been in the dark place for 13 years. Based on Saga's short time in there, you can see how much it turns people on themselves. Alan's probably more than a little crazy at this point. You can be frustrated with his decisions (i'm convinced the "rules" he keeps sticking to are his own concoction), but those choices being bad still play into the game narrative (just add it to the pile of meta)

[@kylekillgannon]

TO BE FAIR: The rules are more or less trial and error of him failing to draft an exit from the Dark Place for 13 years on what actually even is allowed to be channeled through the Dark Presence in the first place.

[@Smonsequenses]

@@kylekillgannon Mr Door in his last conversation with Alan Wake explicitly tells him that he is making things difficult for himself with all these rules. The very idea that there are rules outside of Wake's own mind that control what he can and cannot do is already the influence of the Dark Presence. So thinking that he needs to abide by these 'rules' is him already conceding power to the Dark Presence. Saga, on the other hand, finds the power in herself to deny that the story is changing reality, and keeps control of her own situation in that way. For Alan, in a way, the 'rules' are also what causes his writers block in the first place. After all, are there really 'rules' in writing? Does that make a good and creative story? Or are the best stories often created by people able to understand the rules for what they are and set them aside as they see fit?

[@kylekillgannon]

@@Smonsequenses In some ways yes. A story does have rules in the sense that things must happen to propel the narrative forward. In another sense you see in the story of Alan Wake 2 a lot of the rules he has are self imposed. A genre has to have a certain ending, a plot hook, or a trope. And the only way he breaks out of his creative rut is another voice stepping in to give an alternative. But also, he indeed had been trying to write his way out for the better part of those 13 years. And certain parts of how he had to write were based on things he came to know as true like he had to write about real people, but he could do whatever he wanted with them up to and including alter their entire lives like he did with Alex Casey and Saga Anderson. He's a God, but he's also bound by some physical laws in some way. He just has yet to fully understand them. The difference between him and Mr. Door being that Mr. Door doesn't have to fully worry about those said consequences because he isn't so concerned with what happens to others on his behalf.

[@scalarmotion]

9:08 reminds me of The Forgotten City, another time loop game in which you can get someone else to go do all the solutions you've discovered so that you can personally go handle something different. He then gets the credit for doing all of those things, which then furthers his personal story and also helps your own progression.

[@stephensmith7327]

Was the first loop good? I played American Nightmare after the podcast and the writing took a nose dive. Even the in universe justification of why it's written this way feels like a excuse. It's forgivable crap, given the price and length it took to complete it, but it's still crap.

[@kapkant6197]

"The Dark Place am winning again! I am the greetest! I am now letting Alan Wake leave, for no raisan!" Literally all Alan needs to write to leave 4head

[@dogsoldier123]

I'm sure you're joking but he literally can't write it like that lol

[@MoostachedSaiyanPrince]

​@@dogsoldier123It's not just a joke, it's a reference to Futurama where the main character beat a telepathic alien brain in a battle of wits using literature, as well as his own horrifically bad writing and spelling.

[@etherealtide]

FOR NO RAISIN *floats away*

[@AestheticGamer]

@@MoostachedSaiyanPrince It's a reference, but the main point of their post is even in Alan Wake 1, the Darkness gets power if the story written doesn't make sense for the story. A story needs stakes, logic, victims, drama, etc. And anytime Alan tries to bend the story to benefit himself or others in a way that doesn't make sense with the story, it allows the Darkness to come in like an editor and with its cold calculated logic take the story in the direction it wants instead.

[@MoostachedSaiyanPrince]

@@AestheticGamer I'm well aware that Alan Wake needs the story to make sense to stop the darkness, and I wasn't arguing against that. My point was that the person I responded sounded like they weren't completely sure if the OP was joking, then explained why it wouldn't work if they weren't joking. My reply was to clarify that it absolutely was a joke, and to make it clear that it was not only a joke, but a reference to a joke in a TV show where a character had to use literature to battle a monster and save the world, much like Alan Wake is.

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

10:49 if that control dlc happened where he’s editing outside actions to effect his story in the same way, yeah I’m pretty confident that it happened

[@castform57]

I don't know where Pat picked up the very correct sauna pronunciation, am finnish so screw anyone that argues otherwise, but it seems like he started saying it that way at least after hearing it in AW2 from the Koskela brothers. I didn't watch the earlier AW playthroughs so I don't know if it showed up there too.

[@simmsyboyminecraft]

Imagine if Alan Wake was a muscle girl twitter artist instead of a writer

[@wielderofthetriforce1934]

God if only…

[@RicochetForce]

He'd be getting attacked by massively muscular 8ft tall Taken women and being physically restrained from leaving the Dark Place. Then it would just have him draw a picture with trillions of invincible musclebound muscle girls to spill out of the Dark Place forever.

[@DaSquareful]

​@@RicochetForceYou fuckers are just describing Attack on Titan. Scratch just keeps making them bigger and muscular until we get the Rumbling.

[@crimsonb.6013]

Enough Alan Wake. It's time for Alan Sleep.

[@ricardomiles2957]

Alan Can't sleep: Sleep deprived edition

[@greatskullz6166]

I dare Woolie to upload the clip with the N part uncensored.

[@Zeboki]

Find Mysterious Jojo. Thank me later.

[@RedStar_N7]

No it has to be Woolie, though. He's made a living calling out cowardice live on air. He's got a duty

[@johnrivers3813]

The algorithm doesn't have the N pass

[@newtypeofguy6356]

Why are you non-Black niggas so much more obsessed with the word “nigga” than we are? Is it cathartic? Are you using Woolie saying it to live out some vicarious fantasy? Do you have any Black friends? Lmao

[@EdShear_em]

This is not the clip we want to see from 244 and you know it.

[@ricardomiles2957]

MysteriousJojo already did it for us

[@Atou_Mahogany]

Alan Wake and Alan Wake's American Nightmare are both available on GOG. Not sure if Alan Wake is just the original or the updated one though.

[@TheTrueRandomGamer]

Original.

[@syweb2]

What's GOG?

[@TheTrueRandomGamer]

@@syweb2 Good Old Games. Digital storefront. DRM free. You actually own your games, not just a license to play them.

[@Atou_Mahogany]

@@syweb2 GOG (formerly Good Old Games) is a digital distribution platform for video games and films. It is operated by GOG sp. z o.o., a wholly owned subsidiary of CD Projekt based in Warsaw, Poland. GOG delivers DRM-free video games through its digital platform for Microsoft Windows, macOS and Linux.

[@TAMAMO-VIRUS]

​@@syweb2a digital store front like Steam. Though a lot of the games are DRM free

[@TheBanisher24]

I just fact checked Pat. Idk what he's smokin. All Allen Wake games are available on Xbox (S|X) right now. American Nightmare is $3.29 on sale. Original 360 Allen Wake is $6.59, and Remastered is on here so....what that boi on?

[@tylerlackey1175]

The human brain naturally fact checks pat by simply functioning

[@ChildeofShade]

He doesn't want to hook up his 360, so that means the game is unplayable.

[@TheBanisher24]

@@ChildeofShade I'm saying on Series X

[@ChildeofShade]

@@TheBanisher24 Same issue. Except I don't think Pat owns a series X. Pat doesn't want to put any effort in changing his setup, so that means if the PC options aren't perfect (which they never are). Then the game is basically unplayable. This has been a rather annoying trait of Pat's where the slightest discomfort is always overblown, and when you try to correct him on it he gets incredibly defensive over it.

[@TheBanisher24]

@@ChildeofShade Fair enough My only thing is when people say a game is not available. They'd better truly fucking mean it like mortal kombat 9, I can't buy that on any modern console right now.

[@Mannihannibull]

I think Stephen King knows he doesn't write the best stuff, he just writes what he likes and he does it ALOT. And you know, I like it ALOT too. I guess that's why I really dig Alan's sections in Alan wake 2. It's like playing Stephen King in a video game.

[@SciontheDark]

He isn't the Stephen King, Stephen King exists in the Alan Wake universe. He starts the game by quoting Stephen King.

[@ewancreskeyallan1403]

Garth Marenghi’s Dark Place: the Game

[@baron5446]

I can't unsee black Lance Henriksen. Thanks, dudes.

[@kristiankapler1004]

Pat, I'm sorry but it absolutely introduces someone important. Scratch. Fuckin Alan Wake 2 he's half the plot.

[@dillankempter5780]

He was introduced at the end of 1

[@kristiankapler1004]

@@dillankempter5780 But not as a full fledged and named character.

[@mememachine-386]

​@@kristiankapler1004well Alan Wake 2 seemed to have taken Scratch in a totally different direction to what was established in 1 and American Nightmare. I can't really say any more without spoilers, but what was established in the previous games about him really isn't important for 2.

[@b.u.l.1734]

SPOILERS FOR AMERICAN NIGHTMARE AND AW2: The Scratch from AN and the one from AW 2 are two different "things". The OG, more chatty and charismatic version of Scratch was beaten by Alan in AN. The "Scratch" we see in AW 2 is just Alan with the Dark Presence inside of him.

[@michaelmegson2778]

​@@b.u.l.1734 but Alan Wake 2 works better with knowledge of the OG Mr Scratch since Alan, and by extension the player, is under the impression he's still fighting an evil double until the climax.

[@ChaseStopera]

Semantics, but pat is wrong: you dont need an old xbox to play alan wake’s american nightmare; its backwards compatible so you can play it on any xbox

[@Birmanncat]

I mean... Sam Lake is Finnish Kojima now. Quantum Break has a black guy named MR. HATCH, and Alan Wake 2 has a black guy named MR. DOOR. Come on!

[@nogodsnomanagers]

He's like a portal... to another place. That's why he's called door. I haven't played the game.

[@thecaptain6520]

At least Sam Lake isn't a hack

[@leithaziz2716]

@@thecaptain6520 Say what you will about him having assistance, but MGS2 and 3 will always be there.

[@nogodsnomanagers]

@@thecaptain6520 Quantum Break was just mentioned. You can't pretend that didn't exist.

[@GreedAndSelfishness]

The story is fine in that. Its the rest that is meh@@nogodsnomanagers

[@daxsheepard9344]

*No one mentioning that you play as Pat in the opening of AW2?*

[@AceRevero]

2 things about AW: American Nightmare. 1. You can still play it on Xbox series X/S through its backward compatibility, still purchasable, too. 2. American Nightmare is a Night Springs Episode. It is obvious since it's in the intro, and Barry hints at that episode in the first game (at the Anderson farm level) , so it's a safe bet to say it's not part of the lore.

[@DarkPlague20]

pat had said its only on steam but i got it for free on epic a while back but never got around to playing it, but now i just gotta

[@zeroskaterz92]

It is part of the lore. While the in-game scenarios itself was part of Night Springs shlock, the manuscript, radio and tv are a continuation of the lore. It's two years after Alan Wake 1. Barry became a producer to the Andersons. Scratch's physical body destroyed by Alan. The whole premise was a loop with Alice's project being an important key for Alan to defeat the Dark Presence. All those are carried over to Alan Wake II including Alan being involved writing for Night Springs in the past.

[@Terithian]

AW2 makes multiple references to American Nightmare. It counts, though it's not too important.

[@AceRevero]

@zeroskaterz92 it would've helped if I actually replayed through American Nightmare before playing II.

[@RedNinja115]

It’s weird he said Alan Wake 2 has problems on console when I maybe ran into 1 or 2 notable bugs in 40 hours on ps5 😅

[@thecaptain6520]

You're a troll (I've never played the game)

[@Terithian]

I think he's just going by secondhand knowledge of the performance not being as good. I played it PS5 as well, and though it's not quite as good as it would be on a high-end PC, it still looks great and runs pretty well. Bug-wise, they seem about equivalent. Fortunately, they seem to be doing a good job steadily patching the bugs.

[@chrisdaughen5257]

I swear Alan Wake looked like Lyle Wrath in the first game and AN, but now he looks like he's morbing out in 2.

[@ohitspep]

They got a new face model for AW Remastered and AW2, Ilkka Villi. He also played Thomas Zane where he uses his real voice.

[@lewiscarrol6193]

⁠@@ohitspepIlkka has been playing Alan since AW1.

[@xalener]

dude just grew his hair out

[@deddrz2549]

​@@ohitspepsame model, longer hair. The old games just didnt capture his like ess as well, but you can see him in a promo video for quantum break as a short haired alan wake.

[@Shizkeb]

Alan wake the type of guy to think farted in public and say "it's not a fart it's a shit"

[@Blarglesnarfe]

I love the way Pat describes thing. An ex-best-friend of mine used to say things like that, and it's enrapturing.

[@Arvoyea]

Alan Wake 2 to all the other Remedy games sounds like a different version of the Xenoblade Chronicles series' relation to Xenogears and Xenosaga

[@psychomammoth9640]

Loved the series in all in jumbled horror with a free concert song here and there. Alan Wake along with the Remedy Games are pretty good.

[@CodeNameX001]

I'm going to aegue that Saga doesn't fall into the trope, because her powers seem to run in her mother's VERY Scandinavian family.

[@DaSquareful]

Honestly I felt like Saga must have been a child survivor of one of Francis Morgans wacky escapades considering shes an FBI agent with magic coffee mind palace powers that can repel satan.

[@grandobsidian]

Is that two games this year that feature Pat's corpse?

[@samuelgershman6355]

Pat straight up forgetting that the *most* XBLA game possible was Robo Blitz. I know he said the "most" that he played on his channel, but Robo Blitz was under the 50MB (you read that correctly) limit and was a game that went for at least a few hours while actually looking pretty good and being damn fun to play.

[@pce0]

Alan is as good a writer as the people writing him

[@stephengarforth2753]

i keep forgetting that pat has a child. a mix of the past things he has said "take that you dumb baby" and him being a literal actual real life goblin makes the idea of him having a normal human child impossible for me to comprehend.

[@lightskinnedlarry728]

American nightmare is backwards compatible and was on gamepass forever, for anyone curious with a series x

[@lightskinnedlarry728]

It’s also 3 dollars rn

[@carlosfred8673]

I agree that Alan Wake 2 has set Remedy up to snatch the crown from Silent Hill fully. I look forward to seeing what they do with the both Alan Wake and Control in the future.

[@Samael1113]

For a second, I thought the Stephen King discussion was going to be "THE Lead-in" to "The Moment that shocked KZbin".

[@stephenveilleux4059]

Watching this again and Pat saying that AW2 runs and looks “way worse” is so wild lol. Like maybe it’s not 200fps at 8k but that shit sings on a ps5.

[@Fallens218]

Hearing pat say magical negro was not on my list today

[@grifferman]

The fact that the game keeps referring to it as "the Dark Place" keeps reminding me of the deliberately poor writing of Garth Marenghi's Darkplace.

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

I bet the reason "magical negroes of stephen king" is coming up for me now is cos of this

[@MAJR172]

American Nightmare is Backwards Compatible with Xbone actually

[@daviejay]

Love this cross Payne wake universe

[@OpticalJesu5]

Okay but playing the old games does give you tons of little things for the ffxiv nier collab. Like visual references, musical references, fuck even attacks from One. The idea of the sleeping beauty giving birth thus technically birthing the watchers or some shit or completing their plan and killing the amalgum reference monster. Its a raid for nier fans. Prob not worth if you aren't already super in though but hey you read all this so play nier ig.

[@danherondraws]

5:50 that disappointed looks when Pat says there's no magical black people, only to turn into a glowing smile when Pat remembers the magical black people. Brings a tear to my eyes :3

[@ShroudedWolf51]

I will eat my socks if Alan Wake 2 remains exclusive to that shambles of a storefront.

[@SBJ_Tube]

Epic provided some money, it would depend if the deal was for forever or just for a period of time.

[@missingnumber3343]

My favorite part of Alan Wake is that scene where Alan Wake says "Its Waking Time!" and he Wakes all over the place.

[@TheDeliciousMystery]

Alan Wake 2 is the modern MGS4. Not thinking about it? start thinking about it.

[@UBDOOMBOT]

What if Max Payne and Qumtime Break are Alan Wake Books in the universe?

[@Biodeamon]

I thought alan wake was stuck in the nightmare dimension because mr.scratch was pulling weird time shit using the movie theatre?

[@Dabednego]

It’s not Hideo Kojima. It’s Haaido Köijma

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Great video as always!!

[@alephnole7009]

Well Alan is fighting magical SHADOW PEOPLE. So it's close enough

[@Sengial]

Alan Wake absolutely knows he is a hack thats why he was so depressed in alan wake 1 lol

[@Nerevar5me]

Control was a pretty cool game and not afraid of anyone!

[@bl1neoner370]

I love American Nightmare.

[@TheOtakuKat]

The first two Alan Wake games are also on GOG.

[@thedualitysystem]

Once they said Twin Peaks it all clicked for me

[@aSkymne]

I’ve been pretending that Alan wake 2 is the new silent hill game for my own sanity

[@cyberninjazero5659]

6:05 I see you using the N-Pass Pat

[@kneau]

When it comes to Stephen King -- do people really forget he was, "plowed over by a minivan" on June 19, 1999?

[@areallybigdwarf4560]

ALAN WOKIE? HUUUH???

[@DuelistKoi93]

Finally.... Silent Hills by (finnish) Kojima...

[@HandsFreeProductions]

I get that a lot of people don't like it, but a convoluted, fucked up story being warped by a third-rate author who got popular with pulp fiction is pretty fucking funny to me. Like, the reason that they have to go through these ridiculous steps to try to solve the problem is that Alan wrote all this dumb shit into the plot to try and give himself a way out because he's not a good enough writer to strictly play by the Dark Place's rules and come out on top, and he keeps sucking real people into the nightmare because he's incapable of writing anything original.

[@jormungandr147]

Thats not true he has to use real people because he explicitly can't just make up original stuff its one of the dark places rules he can't just make stuff appear he has to work with already established people and events and tweak them to work in his favor all while the dark place warps any plothole he makes against him AND all while still having writers block the dude is literally fighting against a deck stacked against him

[@HandsFreeProductions]

@@jormungandr147 Nope, that's just clearly not the case. It's made very clear that Alan Wake has no original ideas, dude, right from the beginning of the game with Alex Casey being a real FBI agent as well as a character in his pulp novels. He's never had a single original idea, so he can't create an original character.

[@jormungandr147]

​@@HandsFreeProductions the game explicitly says he can't create stuff out of thin air that's not an opinion that's what the game literally tells us its a major point on how the lakes powers works. the casey stuff is ment to be confusing but at no point does it say or imply alan is unoriginal or in capable of writing original works we literally dont know what the whole deal with casey is or why he and alan have an connection its intentionally left open. i feel especially with pat and his audience its a misunderstanding of the games themes that they are taking and running with the lakes powers has limits because otherwise there's no interesting story if he could just write "i walk out of the lake" there would be no conflict forcing him to have to write around existing things and work within the narrative structure of the genre is what makes the game it's not alan is a unoriginal hack the lake works against anyone in it doesn't matter how good you are Reply

[@HandsFreeProductions]

​​​@@jormungandr147yes, ALAN can't create stuff out of thin air. ALAN is not a good writer. Yes, his writing has to have an internal consistency, but Alan being a shit writer is why he has to draw from reality. In both games, Alan is very clearly portrayed as an overdramatic one hit wonder with a poor understanding of actual writing principles. Alan is a hack, and that's why he can't beat the Darkness.

[@backup.3104]

Wait so you do play the first level of Max Payne in this??

[@Dabednego]

Garanth Marenghake

[@baku270]

Xbox live indie game is a 200 gamerscore game

[@blackmagemasher4031]

is alan wake just riven but a horror game?

[@АлександрПушкин-я4щ]

Isn't Saga, in the context of the in-universe Alan Wake writing the novel, a magical Negro just like Door?

[@ShroudedWolf51]

I mean....emulation is a thing. You could emulate the XBLA game.

[@XShrike0]

15:56 I'm going to disagree with Woolie here, to a degree, you do have a choice. You can just not buy the game. I just refuse to play into Epic's power grab. They seem like Blizzard, where anything good seems to be there to cover up something bad. There is also piracy option.

[@outwrangle]

He's a great writer and a mediocre author, just like King.

[@kitestar]

I know what Xbox live arcade games are…you paid Monopoly money for those before valve made paying dollar amounts the norm

[@doremiancleff1508]

I've tried to play Alan Wake recently for a first time, since i was on a horror binge in October and picked up a bunch of games. While i wasn't particulary fan of a gameplay and ultimatelly dropped it, this game is fantastic. Alan is an embodyment of an asshole celebrity writer. Bothered by literally everything. He stormed out of a remote cabin, leaving his wife all alone, even tho she has a crippling fear of darkness. the only thing that i haven't seen is him stomping his foot, but i wouldn't be suprised if it happens somewhere in the game. Alan Wake 2 looks great and i am so glad they did live action stuff, which looked great in Control, which i also didn't played through for same reasons as Alan Wake. Those games are fascinating with their plots and presentation, i just really wish i could enjoy gameplay.

[@night1952]

Alan Wake I understand but Control's gameplay is great.

[@doremiancleff1508]

It's good, but it's the type of gameplay that i am not a fan of. It's a console game and i am a PC gamer. It's not a critique for a game, it's just my personal taste.

[@sarat6488]

i had zero interest in this franchise until hearing pat's description

[@flyyf1]

saga is also a magical negro. oh haha he mentioned that nvm

[@TheTrueRandomGamer]

Sorry Pat, but I could care less what Remedy thinks. King rules.

[@spyder5876]

Remedy only has Max Payne going for them in terms of actually good games IMO.

[@supremacistdawn]

@@spyder5876 nah Control and Death Rally are ace

[@mememachine-386]

​@@spyder5876well your opinion is wrong

[@clanofclams2720]

​@@mememachine-386no accounting for taste. especially garbage taste. like yours.

[@clanofclams2720]

He's mid

[@themanimal07]

Why do I get the sense that Woolie is just tolerating Pat at this point

[@powerfist1340]

And then you have to ask the question: is he bad, IN UNIVERSE, or do the writers think that he's supposed to be good, and this head up-your-ass absolute nonsense that the story is, is what they think 'good' is.

[@tallalgohar4747]

I'm pretty sure he's bad in universe as other characters constantly shit on his writing (even in Control) and he's meant to be a highly commercialized author that the general public likes. He's a hack but really successful (also an asshole).

[@Vulgarth1]

The writers wrote Max Payne (3?) and Control, so I think they're pretty good. Sam Lake wrote MP1 personally, IIRC, and that game is unambiguously excellent in writing.

[@powerfist1340]

@@Vulgarth1 I dont really care for the appeal to legacy, considering that Ridley Scott made Alien Covenant. Control is fun but the story is so up it's own ass with metaphor and bullshit that i just kinda despise it.

[@ricardomiles2957]

@@powerfist1340 It is always weird to me when i see people talking about control because it's either people saying it wasn't deep enought or it was too pretentious. I played that game completely blind, never touched any other remedy games, The games has it's lore to uncover and piece together but... it's all pretty straightfoward, goverment organization that deal with weird stuff and hide everything to keep people safe in their ignorance, big entities wants main character and that's it.

[@powerfist1340]

@@ricardomiles2957 The story itself isnt whats pretentious, its the presentation. all of the 'oh so deep' bullshit and metaphor.

[@Secret_Takodachi]

Why does every video I click on have 21k likes?!?! 😂 KZbin are you broken or something??? This has less than 5k views, wtf?

[@thewraithwriter22]

Why does Pat say sauna wrong?

[@TheDazdndcunfusd]

He's copying his Ahti says it

[@jormungandr147]

He's saying it the way its said in Finnish

[@brandenhill8426]

Pat Says Negro in this clip lol

[@blackdragoncyrus]

Like.

[@XCAltoona]

solution to Epic is simply do not play the game even if it is the only way.

[@chero666]

I personally have a couple of problem with AW2 The Saga sections because... why is she seemingly getting more screen-time and gameplay segments than Alan Wake? Why is she so uninteresting? This is like Dougie Jones if he was a wet sack of paper instead of a character. and the "Mind Palace" sections are busy-work with no work actually involved. You drag and drop items onto a board with no real thought to them on your part. They aren't even puzzles for you to solve just interacting with a filing cabinet and slapping things on a wall in the designated area, you're just doing stuff other than play the game. This is the most fart-sniffing Remedy has gotten away with while giving us less gameplay than before. I like the weird stuff and the Alan sections more/less, but everything else is bloated, tedious, and uninteresting.

[@TheJadedJames]

I haven’t finished Alan Wake 2 yet, but I have to assume Saga Anderson exists because we are getting this sequel 13 years later and not 2 years later. They can’t expect players everyone who plays part 2 to be familiar with the original game so they had to make an entry point character who gets the lore explained to her

[@ricardomiles2957]

i didn't played AW1 and watched some playthoughs of AW2 very casually but for what i understood the focus on Saga was because she was Alan's/scratch's literal plot device come to life to help them get out of the place they where trapped, she has some traits and backgrounds but they seem to be there to move "her script" rather than making you care for her. With Alan's section basically being about Saga's script being written

[@jormungandr147]

This is more you just didn't click with her then she's not interesting or got more episodes then wake (he literally has one more wake 10 vs his 9) since she's literally his means of escape the mind palace is a crime board your supposed to engage with the mystery and study it not just slap it on and call it a day figuring out the mystery like a cop studying a case IS the gameplay it just might not be the gameplay you want

[@AdamasOldblade]

I got to the part just after the Thorton and Mulligan fight and then gave up and deleted the game... I couldn't play it anymore, it was terrible and unbearable. I LOVED Control (played it multiple times and got the Platinum Trophy) and liked the first Alan Wake game, however I only played the PS5 remastered version... But Alan Wake II is mind bogglingly terrible. 99% of the time be it story or where I was located physically in the game I was legit lost. And not in the fun way where I was having fun in Control of not knowing what was going on, but aware of the context of the story at all times. The multiple characters in multiple realties and how they go in loops of attempting to explain things... It didn't work for me at all. Combat was a joke and every single enemy was a bullet sponge to high hell. It's not like I didn't know the game was survival horror, but my god I was way more annoyed at the enemies then ever scared. Not to mention the game is so damn dark that I'll hear a Taken come at me, then after three hits I'm dead. How can I be scared if I never even know what happened? The puzzles were a nightmare, especially many of the cult stashes... I know they aren't mandatory, but I got to the point where I just said, "okay forget it, I'm just gonna KZbin everything" and the comments on so many videos were FULL of people doing, "How in the fuck was I supposed to figure that out?!" So it made me feel better that I wasn't alone in thinking that the puzzles (and boss fights) were just broken. I feel this game was made entirely for die hard fans or even just Remedy employees themselves. I also seriously feel like many of these parts were not actually play tested. I hope Remedy doesn't screw up Control 2 this bad...

[@dogsoldier123]

Considering how the game was hugely inspired by RE2R then you must've hated that game too

[@magickoopa24]

I knocked the game to easy and have been having a fun time just wasting everything and barely being scratched when an enemy gets a shot at me. The story is working for me enough that I'm fine to struggle against the puzzles, but I get ya if it's not working out. If Control 2 goes off of what Control did, I don't think you have much to worry about.

[@SuperBrutalCabbage]

Alan Wake 2 exceeds in every department that Control does and then some. I’ve tried to write this comment as nicely as possible and keep deleting it as it seems like I’m attacking your intelligence which I’m not trying to do, but I genuinely think a lot of your gripes are a “You” problem rather than an issue with the game as a whole.

[@thecaptain6520]

​@@SuperBrutalCabbageimpossible. He's a random schmuck on the internet. His word is LAW

[@ricardomiles2957]

unrelated but the controls and combat is what made me drop the original first 3 Resident Evil games. I had played mgs1 for the first time not long before and got so baffled and frustrated with the controls i droppes RE1 a minute after starting and instantly dropped the other 2 when i noticed they played the same

[@richardjohnson8991]

It's so funny how self absorbed this game is. I genuinely couldn't get through the first game once the plot reveal dropped because it's just sniffing its own farts and basking in the fragrance. It's upsetting how actually good these games are despite how absolutely nonsensical and self aggrandizing they are, while pointing and laughing at how bad some successful writers are. It's completely tonally dissonant

[@sharpen193]

i can say words total dissonant sniffing farts its basking

[@jormungandr147]

A big issue is i don't think the game is saying successful writers are bad every instance of the game calling wakes writing bad is either the dark place using his insecurities against him to wear him down or someone complimenting him the only thing people say is "he's a little heavy on the metaphors" which is just the most minor of criticisms the only time its overtly negative is the taken taunting him it really feels like people are misreading those parts and running with it

[@XoftheTITANS]

Honestly, the game was a bore. Saga didnt help; her bland delivery of acting combine how she acts during supernatural cases felt lackluster. The game didnt felt woke but just a mid game with lame combat and uninteresting plot.

[@xthewated]

No likes! Ouch!

[@cyberninjazero5659]

​@@xthewatedSpoke too soon. Ouch!

[@diegomedina9637]

​@@xthewatedOf course there's not going to be many likes on a negative opinion about a game that normies loved because they're think it's Kojima Deep even though Kojima was unintentionally deep which made him more endearing. This is just pretentious deep.

[@markusa5293]

I actually quite liked how nonchalant Saga was about the stuff happening. I much prefer that to the usual "Whoa, what the frick guys! This is craaazyyy!" Which made her reaction about the things involving her daughter more impactful aswell.

[@magickoopa24]

​@@markusa5293Yeah, her character really worked for me once I got to chapter 3 and she started to react to how much the story is affecting her daughter. Truly made the Silent Hill comparison fit perfectly imo

[@ethantaylor9613]

Man, if I already wasn’t completely turned off by Alan Wake, this has really done it for me lmao. I really don’t like any of Kojima’s writing.

[@ricardomiles2957]

not here to argue but to learn. What you don't like about kojima writting.

[@tylerlackey1175]

​@@ricardomiles2957did you play death stranding?

[@ricardomiles2957]

@@tylerlackey1175 i did, liked quite a lot, the story gets a little rushed near edge knot city but overall good experience and more importantly, for me at least, it showed that no leash Kojima isn't crazier than Konami leashed Kojima.

[@tylerlackey1175]

@@ricardomiles2957 LOL

[@ricardomiles2957]

@@tylerlackey1175 what?

[@spyder5876]

Alan Wake AKA one of the most overrated games in recent years.