Miyazaki Lied: Shadow of The Erdtree First Impressions | Castle Super 275 Clip

[@dreamcatcherpone]

Miyazaki lied as naturally as he breathed. He also reached in his pocket and pulled out a poison swamp.

[@MechSlayer71]

Multiple poison swamps. Some of them *within* legacy dungeons. Truly a master of his craft.

[@GabeSweetMan]

Miyazaki adds poison swamps to his design docs the way my younger brother adds ketchup to damn near everything.

[@sheddykin7804]

Woe Swamp be upon thee

[@CloseingStraw97]

Why doesnt he turn anor londo into a poisonous swamp?

[@RGcrasyRG]

Oh no, he put a swamp into my ass!

[@MaximusPrimusKay]

The genius of this DLC is that I now remember the Lake of Rot fondly.

[@dreamcatcherpone]

Woolie: *Brings up Mohg* Pat's Internal Spoiler Pressure: 99.89%

[@fable23]

Miyazaki lied, *_YOU DIED_*

[@Biodeamon]

naw i'm built different

[@BloodBrandy]

HEART STOLEN

[@werewolf873]

Yo(U) died (M)iy(A)zaki lie(D)

[@CrusixOfficial]

Woolie: I used talisman and jump attacks to break his guard Me: I saw you spamming meteorite!

[@kingragnarok7302]

Woolie Lied

[@TheMadMadman]

"Oh no, I make ze poison swamp..." -Miyazaki, probably

[@AGMSP]

Whoops, I dropped my monster poison swamp that I use for my magnum rpg.

[@DiscoFinalBoss]

Well to be fair, Miyazaki didn’t say how many Limgraves.

[@Knight-Bishop]

Being surprised that Miyazaki lied is like being surprised that there's a giant poison swamp. We can only help you so much.

[@Kradily]

Woolie rubbing his hands and licking his lips at the thought of getting that buff for ultra parries was to funny XD

[@BobbyHopp]

Miyazaki is like the Anti Todd Howard one lies to make something bad sound good, one lies to downplay something good to make you even more happy when its better than it was described as.

[@BobbyHopp]

I also want to add in terms of the challenge I hate how the discourse is either "git gud" or "why no kill in 1 hit" realistically I do think the dlc is a bit overtuned but also this is an endgame dlc people should be willing to adapt or die and they have plenty of tools or resources to win. I got walled by Mesmmer for a bit then remembered the Finger Print Shield and Bam beat him in a few tries because it blocks like 80% of his moves. But also its frustrating fighting some bosses waiting for their 30 hit true combo to finish so I can get in 1-2 hits then repeat.

[@D3athL1vin]

@@BobbyHoppi think making vigor and defense actually matter more would fix everything, it just doesnt feel good that you can pump so many levels into health and essentially have the same squishiness as a lvl 1 in a lot of cases

[@bargaintuesday812]

What did Todd Howard lie about?

[@thecaptain6520]

​@@bargaintuesday812 being in the chess club

[@BobbyHopp]

@@bargaintuesday812 everything hes ever said

[@sasaki999pro]

_"Miyazaki the Liar stole my Dung Pie"_

[@SoaringLettuce]

In the same vibe as *PREY SLAUGHTERED* *MIYAZAKI LIED*

[@TheLucidChiba]

"What a superb demon you are. "

[@lordentropy460]

I'm glad Pat reminded Woolie of how, in fact, a win is a win. It won't stop Woolie from trying to beat everything with his fist weapons alone, but still!

[@ansurarks]

Starfists are the most broken weapon in the base game so he should be fine even if he didn't build into it.

[@tyomega9939]

​@ansurarks I really do hope he at least chooses a few DLC weapons to switch up around besides hand-to-hand--they're all very useful and work for certain situations, like heavier weapons to stagger high poise enemies, or for their specific AoW.

[@BelldandyMan]

​@@ansurarksI mean they're great but their range sucks

[@ansurarks]

@@tyomega9939 He'll probably try the martial arts once he gets those.

[@a.nonymous5004]

@@ansurarks They're great... when you use charged or jump attacks instead of swinging at the enemy once every 30 seconds and then bloodhound stepping away

[@hiroprotagonest]

When it comes to complaining about the size of areas in the base game, I get it, but I'ma be honest. I'd much rather waste a bit of time just riding through a light section of Liurnia or the Snowfield than have to go through slowdown bogs without Quickstep.

[@Nomenanza]

19:22 I remember feeling so validated when that crystal tear dropped. Since day 1 of Elden Ring dropping I believed Sekiro's perfect block should have been part of a core combat system to begin with. And having beaten the DLC, I'm not quite sure of how to even approach the final boss without it.

[@fillosof66689]

I just hope that borrowing good systems from Sekiro will not supplant making a sequel. Because a pure action game by soft will always be different from their action RPGs, and the dive into the truly weird and uncomfortable depth of the Japan's lore was hitting harder than some of the best DS and ER lore on a good day.

[@laughinghelm]

Size of Limgrave, 30 hour long dlc, no npcs from the base game will re appear (that's a spoiler so I won't go into it). Miyazaki has out-lied Woolie and in my opinion gloriously taken his title. Lord Miyazaki the liar. Spewing out the most painful white lies of the generation. And I couldn't be happier cus this dlc is fucking awesome. I hate and love his lies!

[@omorfia1358]

Wait, which npc from the base game is in? Not a boss, but an npc?

[@laughinghelm]

@@omorfia1358 again, I won't get into that. Let's not spoil.

[@AGMSP]

Ok, but did Miyazaki steal a pie, though?

[@rokudodamaza]

​@@laughinghelmDoes it matter if Gideon is alive, I've been keeping him alive and am at the final area and he wouldn't say anything new so any reason in dlc to not beat Maliketh?

[@demonvenerable7981]

@@rokudodamaza nothing in base game affects dlc and vice versa

[@fpejanovic]

two handing a really fucking heavy weapon and jumping heavy attack will absolutely crumple boss enemies, it just might take a few hits... of you, the mimic, and whatever other summon you've brought into the fight. but it does happen.

[@dylanr.cerezo4325]

Yup. As someone who always plays STR first (I dabble in other builds after) I always feel naked without my easy poise breaks or straight up attack interruptions on some smaller bosses.

[@lolbuster01]

​​@@dylanr.cerezo4325 make sure yall are using the perfect block talisman, guard counter tear and two handed talisman for maximum effect.

[@joshromero1796]

@@lolbuster01Exactly was about to say that two handed talisman is soooo good god I love big weapons.

[@fpejanovic]

im going through the DLC now with a +25 Great Stars (and Arcane augment so my bleed is 110) and the double lion spin ash, together with the Mimic we just spam that until the enemies explode. The only things that are a challenge are the larger monster type enemies that take multiple hits to stagger, but anything humanoid is permanently down on the ground.

[@lolbuster01]

@@fpejanovic I have stomp sweep on a blood golden troll sword. It's great. I like strength arcane.

[@OllyRoger]

Pat: "I"ve had no trouble with the DLC." Also Pat: "I started the DLC with every stat at 50."

[@FlippyMcGiantDad]

Ehh it's not that bad. Most stats cap at 80, so a specialized build will hit harder and have more HP (generally Vigor is good up to 60). Almost all spells and weapons will only take some of those stats in to account, it's not like Comet Azur will be affected by FAI. He'll have pretty good damage output, but not great damage output, and good ability to take hits, but not "tank everything while laughing" ability to take hits. One of the weapons that could take advantage of all damage stats at that level is still locked behind beating one of the bosses giving people a lot of trouble.

[@fillosof66689]

​@@FlippyMcGiantDadwith the way Pat described it, no build will be able to MMO tank the hits of major mobs in the DLC, let alone bosses. Or does the special % scaling you pick up affect HP and/or resistances?

[@FlippyMcGiantDad]

@@fillosof66689 I believe the fragments affect damage taken and received, so getting more would make you tankier. However, it's more important to stack buffs for the multiplicative effects too. Black Flame Protection and Golden Vow stack for a fairly good physical defense buff. Stack that with some method of gaining superarmor and you can slug it out with some bosses. On the buff front that's "only" 30 FAI needed. Wondrous Physick flask gets you Opaline Hardtear for more damage reduction, and Dragoncrest Greatshield Talisman further adds on. Best to have some sort of passive regen, either from an incant or maybe regen gear to make up for the face tank damage. That greatsword you get from Limgrave with Oath of Vengeance will give superarmor, so in theory with all those active you can trade blows while taking less damage and not get staggered for a bit, try to force a break and then crit/reapply Oath. All those along with the effects of the Scadu frags will work together and make you real resistant.

[@PunishedDad]

@@fillosof66689 sure does

[@Awakia1]

Your level really doesn't make a big difference, I've done the first few areas with all stats at 40 and at RL1. Having defensive talismans and some Scadu blessings make a way bigger difference. You're way more likely to get 1/2 shot at low vigor, but that much should be obvious and you should always level vigor.

[@PlagueFather]

I dont think he lied though. It is the size of limgrave (slightly bigger) but the verticality of the map makes it to where there 3 levels which is smart level design.

[@Ultimaniacx4]

57:02 This is something that action JRPGs do really well and something that I feel will be focused on more in whatever FromSoft makes next. Summoned companions that actually feel like companions. This DLC already has summoned partners with a lot of dialogue, you even get a spirit summon that speaks as she fights whenever you summon her.

[@FlutterSwag]

I JUST found the lightning storm axes Pat was talking about and im in love!!!

[@Mannihannibull]

Dude they are so dope. That boss was a bad ass too.

[@gundar95]

pair it with electrocharge incantation to go full edge lord mode

[@richardjohnson8991]

it's really unfortunate they aren't quite powerful enough for endgame in my opinion but they've been the most fun new tool i've found so far. that and aspect of crucible wings has been a ton of fun

[@FlutterSwag]

@@gundar95 'Praised this message'

[@RedNinja115]

Shout out to the second Furnace Golem I ran into and I riposte him the first time then had to hack at his legs for what felt like 20 years cuz he fell TWICE in a spot that I couldn’t hit his fucking head 😂

[@saarimarshad9515]

calling, be willing to use the tools the game gave you, "cheating" is funny

[@alephnole7009]

I know somebody who refuses to use ANYTHING other than an Un-Infused UGS with no buffs, scadu blessings, elemental greese. Or ash of war that isn't the default.

[@richardjohnson8991]

When I played nioh 2 on release my friend often liked to give me shit for using the spirit summons in that game. I finished it on max difficulty, he didn't finish the dlc ever

[@victorsimmons6769]

8:40 Micheal Zacki probably wrote lore around him laughing his ass off as he placed more tree spirits

[@ThisNameIsNotTaken99]

"The lore is that the ulcerated tree spirits spawn in the poison swamps" - Miyazaki, probably

[@twitchyb9950]

I thought that the scadutree blessings didn’t feel impactful enough at the start, and apparently FromSoft agreed. They just released a patch that made early scadutree levels scale more than the later levels. I think that will alleviate a lot of complaints.

[@MLGHazrad]

Regardless how easy or difficult Souls game are, there will always be a poison swamp somewhere to where I imagined a painting of one somewhere as well

[@FlutterSwag]

He said SIZE of limgrave not the DEPTH

[@Dracobyte]

And that includes vertical exploration.

[@thecaptain6520]

If Miyazaki loves poison swamps so much, why doesn't he just marry them? Or at least move to New Jersey?

[@platypuspracticus2]

The dragons have new attacks and new movements. Even the ones that look like the base game dragons are different in their attacks and movements.

[@jonaswest6993]

I think I remember like one new move but other than that I'm snoozing mid dragon fight

[@platypuspracticus2]

You have a bad memory, then.

[@robotdeniro-csgo5986]

Yeah they are not recycled, they have a new moveset.

[@zwadveg918]

it'd be a shame if they copy pasted them multiple times again...

[@specters_art]

@@robotdeniro-csgo5986 they don’t. They have a couple new moves but even if that is all you have to say then they also recycle it 6 times in the DLC. Don’t be such a fanboy to just excuse this. They didn’t do this in their previous games and when they did for a couple bosses in 2 that was a major criticism of the game.

[@typhonyx_was_taken]

You can absolutely still go at it with no summons, melee only, you just need to find some Scadurtree fragments first. People are saying it’s super hard because this is the first time you actually *need* to explore before bosses can be realistically fought

[@PredictableEnigma]

Exploring is my favorite activity in elden ring so I'm hoping that gives me a good time with the dlc

[@Mannihannibull]

Area Spoiler maybe idk..... Speaking of totally missable areas, I just found The Abyss. I'm wagering alot of people haven't found it yet. I can't believe they brought back winter lanterns in a forced stealth section. It turned into a horror game. Haven't finished it yet but this expansion takes everything that was great about the base game and distills it into maybe the best thing fromsoft has ever made. It's definitely up there with the greats. Like this or Old hunters is tied for me.

[@bargaintuesday812]

Is there anything significant there? I stealthed through the whole place in what felt like a loop and ended up back at the beginning and didn't really find anything of substance.

[@Crombells]

@@bargaintuesday812 There's a mansion with a very, very cool boss in it

[@Unknownost]

There is a Scat fragment, a cookbook, and Frenzy Perfume Bottle.

[@Mannihannibull]

@@Crombells really?

[@Crombells]

@@Mannihannibull yeah, southwest

[@Ultimaniacx4]

11:06 That's literally when you start running into a different kind of dragon though... The red lightning ones that fight completely different than the ones like Agheel or Adula.

[@CrematedCube]

At this point I react to the Ulcerated Tree Spirits in the same way I do to a Bazelgeuse or the Asylum Demon. I feel little anger or passion, I just launch into autopilot and swiftly knock them down before moving on. I think the Dryleaf Gloves are really great for this task, when I punch and kick those nasty trees to death I feel somewhat satisfied.

[@1000Tomatoes]

The fact that every souls-like after Sekiro including Elden Ring has Sekiro parry mechanics only goes to show just how sick that game is.

[@Dartagnan4012]

And the posture sysrem, even armored core 6 had posture

[@Noxshade]

Hot tip from experience: Summoning more allies alongside your ashes boosts boss health by quite a bit, which can be a net downside. Also, if you are using Tiche, Maliketh's Blade or a Black Knife, something is screwy with the interaction between the boss health scaling and the max health reduction from those effects: it seems like the effect might actually restore more health than they lost when it wears off? I was stuck on Rellena, seeming to do no damage to her for days before I swapped to a different ash and cleared her.

[@FlutterSwag]

Rellana my beloved 💙

[@YouCalledForTheDoc]

This bug has been fixed as of today’s patch btw.

[@alephnole7009]

And on NG+ fighting Malenia with her own rune and the vampire tear you can basically put heal her attack healing and just play super aggressive.

[@ThisAlbino]

I've seen people crying really hard about the difficulty of Dancing Lion. That's proof to me that people absolutely refuse to think about, or adapt to, boss fights. I had already explored for a long time and was at lvl 10 Scadutree Blessing, and my guard counter build deleted him with no issue. Honestly I was sad the fight ended so quickly.

[@edge1710]

On the size of Shadow keep I counted 16 sites of grace inc. entry and exit points and I'm sure I missed some as I have not fully explored it yet.

[@jonaswest6993]

I replaced my strength base Great sword with the new fire one swapped my build and everything....right outside Messmer the fire boss.

[@AGMSP]

He whooped my ass on the first attack. I went in +12.

[@superbnns]

"Rid yourself of git gud mindset and start cheating" Me: [laughs in poking everything to death with mohg's spear from behind the safety of fingerprint shield]

[@buggydclown8460]

Pat not mentioning right away that on top of cheesing he’s also a full 140 levels above woolie

[@manganimesYT]

my poor rock fling got nerfed to hell haha

[@stevebob240]

My favorite part is when Pat combs his beard with a key

[@Graysett]

Shadow's map design feels exactly like what I thought ER would play like before it released and I'm SO happy. I'm a huge believer in the philosophy of treating the entire game-map as a (couple) dungeons, the base game was too open for that to map one to one, but the DLC's knocked it out of the park. I could just gush about this DLC just from the gameplay aspects alone. I really hope that it's a sign of things to come from their games in this style.

[@fennrir9809]

Gotta thank the talismans, totally switched my play style with it Amazing DLC

[@magpie54]

I cheesed every boss so far with scarlet rot, and I'm OK with that.

[@krodmandoon3479]

I mean it worked for Mary Jane Rottencrotch or w/e her name was.

[@ansurarks]

I can't wait for someone to actually properly compare the landmasses to scale to see if it actually is around the size of Limgrave or not. Also, using game mechanics is not cheating Pat. Exploiting enemy weaknesses is intentionally part of the design and not cheating. Stunlocking a boss that has low poise is not cheating, and it is in the spirit of git gud. You've watched too many challenge runs you've developed brainrot.

[@Dragonsmana]

I saw a gif someone made on Twitter, provided it's accurate, and I assume it is, the DLC map fits nicely in the middle of the base game map. Slots in like a puzzle piece. Pretty cool.

[@ansurarks]

@@Dragonsmana Did they check to see if the size of the map is scaled properly though? It could be that the DLC map is zoomed in. The main map has to have the roundtable hold in it so it's more zoomed out. Just plopping it onto the main map without checking the scale is poor practice. That's like taking a map of a country, and a map of the world, and putting the map of the country on top of the map of the world and saying that the country is THAT big.

[@Dragonsmana]

@ansurarks Unfortunately they didn't elaborate. Hopefully someone does a deep dive to be certain later though.

[@ansurarks]

@@Dragonsmana Zulie or any of the dataminers and map modders will figure it out eventually.

[@ixiahj]

Lol. Pat's right. I beat the isolated gaol knight by stun locking him with giant's hunt. Re-knocks him down just as he's getting up animation starts.

[@BTM8109]

He promised less content, but delivered more, Miyazaki has become anti-Todd

[@StoneEagle194]

I just finished the dlc like...15 minutes before this was posted and my final time was a bit under 40 hours give or take (had to "speedrun" to open the dlc since I forgot I hit NG+ and did nothing). I did almost everything , so Miyazaki was only lying about the length a *little* bit.

[@stefanbraidwood2007]

You could definitely do it in 30 hours if you just did the campaign minimum, headbutting the wall of the endboss included

[@figuures6098]

I mean I beat the final boss after 50 hours or so, some of the niche explorable locales took me a good while to find, and I know I missed a lot.

[@StoneEagle194]

@@stefanbraidwood2007 that's the thing, I almost did that. Before doing the final area I filled out the parts of the map I missed (with the help of a guide) and fought some of the remaining optional bosses, but I didn't finish questlines that would've gotten me extra help. I went into the last boss with a Scadu blessing of 16 and got ruined. So I went to a different guide to find the remaining fragments, tried again at 18, still got bodied. Got the last 6 fragments, fought a couple more bosses, and managed to take down the big bad with gas in the tank. For reference I used a lvl 150 build on NG+ with strength cranked to 80. I took down the last boss with a combo of the Greatsword, Scorpion Tail, the mimic, and learning how to dodge all but 2 or 3 of the boss's moves. I had to give the mimic rotten meat dumplings so it could live longer and it STILL died before the boss's health got down to 1/3.

[@stefanbraidwood2007]

@StoneEagle194 I'll probably hit 40 hours, but I take my time. I also don't use mimic tear so good luck to me, I guess!

[@FantomEx22]

Finished that South-Eastern part Pat was talking about at +8 blessing last night. That was the toughest boss yet. Took me about an hour and 10 rune arcs down the drain. Such a great fight though. Fantastic DLC so far. Peak world design.

[@daniel____4236]

Im having the time of my life with my build in the dlc. lvl 300 on ng+ 3 FP regen talisman with bone bow is sick af. Infinite tracking arrows baby. Also being able to switch weapons for the occasion helps wonders for my dex mage. Black knight kicking my ass? Cold Great Katana with giant hunt says Hello. Dual whips for stunlock city. Wave of gold or Alabaster lords greatsword for AOE. Alabaster lord sword is ridiculous, The Gravitas it has is big af and it can hit enemies underneath you even if your on another floor. Its crazy.

[@kruaser123]

I've put close to 20 hours and it feels like halfway maybe

[@Sandberry]

It's nice to finally hear a nuanced take on the difficulty compared to the broad strokes "it's too hard" that seems to be the consensus.

[@brentramsten249]

they actually did nerf non-pvp stuff, specifically anything related to the azur comet combo. the spell itself, the fp consumption flask tear, and even terra magicka, which got nerfed so hard it has the same damage bonus as the self buff spell but it still has a downside while those spells do not.

[@magdeats]

On the topic of filler, I actually miss it in the DLC. There are so many places Ill go and just say yo myself, "This is a whole lot of empty." I would not mind some more junk food mini dungeons dotted about.

[@causewaybob3651]

Honestly I’m kinda sad I’m the the upper north west of the map which is the only place I haven’t set foot in at all I’m just like ah man we gonna be wrapping it up soon

[@GameBooAdvancePlus]

I agree full heartedly that you should just suck up your pride and use the tools provided to you to make encounters and bosses more fun for yourself. But then of course Pat has to go to the extreme and suggests that you should just Cheat Engine yourself to max level and Cheat Engine all the most broken weapons and spirit ashes to max level to fly through the game as fast as humanly possible to farm maximum engagement as fast as possible. Little too much on the Instant Gratification side for my tastes.

[@huntsworthdoom]

Me when I got da dark moon greatsword and da helphen steeple and da claw talisman and da shirt of jumping attack and one jumping L1 does 2-3k damage

[@Nerozero9]

I have friends who have followed guides and where to go in dlc I'm just waking around I find fights easier than they did and stuff it's wild

[@LolRitsu]

Woolie really needs to accept the fact that he needs to optimize at least a little more than he is because its no fun watching him throw himself at a wall and learn nothing because he wants to do it with things he thinks are fun

[@fenrir3097]

BAAAAAAAAAYLE

[@DiranJiru]

CUUUURSE YOOOOU BAAAAAAYLE!!

[@poeticthief]

VILE BAYLE

[@consensualsenses]

Just a reminder that Pat started the DLC at fucking level 321. So keep that in mind every time he says, "oh, I don't have a hard time, I don't know what's everyone's talking about, haha just use mimic tear bro :)"

[@Americanbadashh]

28:24 You can now cosplay as a Hunter pair from Halo in Elden Ring

[@CrazyAce777777]

interesting the only demigods really going for the elden ring in some way were the empyrean children the rest kinda did their own weird things

[@Graysett]

Miyazaki is the only game dev that's allowed to lie to me.

[@sialiasialis.]

As pertains to story stuff: I'm starting to feel like Marika is an alien like on some Jenova shit and just came down and infected the Crucible land before and thats why things are the way they are now with crazy superpowered shit. It's like a continuation of the Moon Prescence. What if it just turned into a hot lady and started a religion after creating the nightmare?

[@El_Legante]

And then I said, “About the size of Limbgrave”…. Like a lier.

[@kodymcbride6901]

Can't believe we got Elden Ring 1.5.

[@platypuspracticus2]

ER and the DLC is very much Dark Souls 2 part 2. Including (without spoiling anything) a lot of bosses that are revisited in one way or another. Two of the end-gsmr DLC encounters reinforced that and included a boss archetype I was calling out way before the DLC happened.

[@N7killerkid]

I appreciate From adding so many tools for the player to choose from, but I do think their new approach is flawed. It feels as if the bosses are now so healthy, so aggressive and with such long combos that many of the solutions you can rely on to make the fight more enjoyable is whatever lets you engage with them less. I wish less for a mimic option and more to be like the mimic myself so that I'm allowed to make more mistakes and be more active. I dont think "distracting the boss" is good way to balance difficulty.

[@quincallahan6323]

I think the DLC should flat out tell you what level it recommends you start at and that 50 Vigor will make it a lot more enjoyable. I think a lot of player frustration is coming from a misalignment of expectations, especially if you're like me and don't want to look anything up

[@conspiracypanda1200]

Imma dive in, see how hard it kicks my ass, then pop out and adjust. It's what I did when I managed to reach the Haligtree and Farum Azula at the same time. I think I respec'd about 5-6 times in my first playthrough, and only one of them was to deal with that statue secret. I mean, there's 18 larval tears, might as well use them.

[@ThisNameIsNotTaken99]

I mean you access it after beating Mohg, which is pretty near endgame. If you haven't leveled vigor at that point in the game you did it to yourself.

[@Shizn0id]

it's Hornsent Grandam

[@BlastYoBoots]

They PATCHED IT to change the name! Pat has the old name on camera! They realized they gave unintended implications with that translation.

[@krugerrander2551]

@@BlastYoBootscrazy talk strikes again

[@31Moth13]

@@BlastYoBoots It didn't get patched. It says Hornsent Grandam on the map screen and Empyrean Grandam in the item description.

[@BlastYoBoots]

@@31Moth13 Thanks, you're right, my mistake

[@Dantarn]

The best part about this is people still unironically using "Git Gud" as a retort to people saying that ER's difficulty scaling arms race is getting out of hand. They have no idea that Git Gud was used to mock people saying it unironically about Pre-patch Lost Izalith in DS1

[@tylerlackey1175]

"Maybe the game isn't for you"

[@thecaptain6520]

"They have no idea that [phrase] was used to mock people saying it unironically" Many such cases

[@wardy4903]

It's only unironic for you because you had trouble with pre patch lost izalith.

[@GameBooAdvancePlus]

No the phrase was used to mock people who just call the game shit without even trying and ignoring legitimate advice. Which straight up is what is happening here with even bandai namco telling you how to beat it and people still stamping their feet down and saying "NO!!!"

[@krodmandoon3479]

​​@@GameBooAdvancePlus"People lying about what things mean to better suit their narrative." Many such cases.

[@VerbalLearning]

i'm only 6-10 hours into the dlc but so far i do see what Pat is saying that it seems like the game wants you to utilize all of your tools and not just rely on the old fashioned roll/block and hit approach. However i do think it's valid to criticize the dlc for being designed that way if you don't like playing the game said way (if it's genuinely true across the board and not just an early impression or for a few hand selected fights). Because if the dlc is designed and more importantly balanced around expecting you to use spirit summons and or npc summons/new crystal tears etc that means the "usual" souls experience of "just" blocking and or dodging and getting some hits in when there's a window becomes the self imposed hard-mode version of the fight rather than the baseline or default version, that many players are probably more used to. This isn't to say that's it's unfairly balanced or badly designed, but more so that being "forced" (unless you're one of the soulsborne god gamers who do speedruns or challenge runs or you're like Let Me Solo Her etc) to play with all these tools might not feel as fun or satisfying to some people. But since i've yet to complete the DLC myself i'm not going to say for sure that this is actually how it's like or is designed. I'm simply stating that if this IS the case, then there's valid criticism to be had.

[@throwdown1776]

Its like MHW and its expansion, iceborne. Vanilla was hard but you can easily beat most monsters with low to non augment high rank weapons. In iceborne, you have to use the clutch claw, use elementals right, know enemy movement, etc.

[@stefanbraidwood2007]

I was talking to a friend who is also doing it atm and we agreed that it feels as though Miyazaki very deliberately gives you a tool for every problem the DLC presents you with, but those tools aren't exclusively good, they're specific. That's one of the ways the DLC is harder than the base game, where for example bleed dex builds just erased virtually everything. There are new summons who are ideal for some bosses and crap at others, and the NPC summons are ACTUALLY GOOD at their fights now. The DLC is harder, fighting solo is more demanding because the fights are faster and you get less room for error. Oh, also I have noticed weapon/elemental damage seems to matter a lot more now, if you actually want to hurt the bosses. But I never got the feeling you couldn't beat the fights without npcs, it's more that shadowtree levels are really really important to help even the scales between you and the big bois. Haven't made it to the end yet so maybe that will change. Have fun!

[@SH1NK1R01]

How long until this guy realizes that it literally always has been the self imposed harder way to play.

[@throwdown1776]

@@stefanbraidwood2007 its like AC6 difficulty debacle again. Hey there is this enemy that has pulse armor, here's a weapon that use pulse armor. Player says "nooo I want to fight with my custom mech"

[@stefanbraidwood2007]

@throwdown1776 y u bully me Fromsoft I don't want to play the game just spam one build wahhh. But you're right I think the dlc is a lot more hopeful/tuned for you to try different builds with different bosses than the base game, and it has that in common with AC6!

[@richardjohnson8991]

The boss difficulty discussion has always been weird to me. I one and done'd over half of the bosses in the game and beat Mogh my second try. I literally can't beat Malenia or the Golden Hippo at shadow keep and i've been at them for days now

[@El_Legante]

The game wants you to cheese it. But it requires new varieties of cheese.

[@Jehriko]

*1hr long* clip

[@MechSlayer71]

Have you read a woolie video title? Dude has a different idea of the word "brief" than most people.

[@krodmandoon3479]

​@@MechSlayer71You mean like the "brief" pause between Kirby Lore videos?

[@Dracobyte]

Let's go!

[@ButcherGod]

35:00 As usual, Pat is just flat out wrong and making up his own canon, her name is Hornsent Grandam, where in the F did he get "Empyreon Grandam" from?

[@fpejanovic]

watch his stream, its on screen. they patched it since

[@Dracobyte]

This DLC is amazing!

[@richnolan2744]

Lol not pure magic builds Twin glintstone shard spam clears 80% of bosses

[@boislap]

Did anyone tell Woolie about the new hairstyles?

[@findingliospugolini8979]

He knows and changed it

[@zacharydobbins6267]

My take on the challenge is this, the shadow realm hates you, so playing fair is no longer an option

[@areallybigdwarf4560]

pat talking about the "get good mentality" while he is playing the game at almost max level...

[@pedroportela6476]

Which he literally cheated to get, by the way. Like, to be able to wield all the weapons, he just needed to get Str, Dex, Int, Faith, and Arcane up that high. Getting Vigor, Mind and Endurance up that high as well just made the game even easier for him. I get that he has a wife and kid and a lot of other video games to play, but come on.

[@areallybigdwarf4560]

@@pedroportela6476 It's not even that, like, play the pve part of the game in any way you want but please for the love of Izalith don't act like the "git gud" community is playing the game in the "wrong" way, because when pat is done with the pve he ain't never coming back to the game while the "git gud" community will be there to make fromsoft fix broken stuff, the game didn't release with all the Dark Souls 3 glitches because people found it in the network test, not fromsoft employees, but people that have been playing these games since DS1 and without the dedicated player base we wouldn't have elden ring here today so gene park can shit himself on twitter talking about how invaders are meant to lose and how cool is to play at SL999 once and never talk about the game ever again.

[@rickjames1437]

I don't have an issue with it, personally. If he had a dedicated build all the stats would be about the same numbers, the only difference here is that he doesn't have to go respec every time he sees something cool. He's keeping the levels around the soft cap too instead of going over.

[@xXCrimsonArkXx]

Find it hilarious how gate-keepy this series can be amongst certain fans and how certain builds and tactics are seen as “cheating”, even if it’s just using basic mechanics. Everyone and their momma is consulting guides to make the most optimal build and get the best weapons for said build as quickly as possible. I feel like Elden Ring was especially built to make you adopt the mindset of “A win is a win.” because these bosses are pulling out the most fucked up whacko shit imaginable to clap your ass lol You bet your sweet tarnished ass I’m gonna use Comet Azure to melt Mohg before he has the opportunity to even get close enough to attempt to touch me. He’d do the same goddammit.

[@tylerblair318]

It's not cheating if it's in the game

[@Dartagnan4012]

I'm not gonna deride people for using things, I just find that it personally completely kills my fun and satisfaction of I don't dodge everything and use my two handed spear exclusively solo without summons. When I played the base game the first time I broke at malania and used summons and regretted it because it takes the fun and satisfaction out of it. On the replay I did it the way I usually do and it was more fun

[@Satsaru]

Nobody is calling it cheating to use a cheese build. It is unbalanced for sure, though. I find it funny that you mention a strategy that was _specifically_ nerfed in this patch, though 😂. If it's fun for you more power to you, just don't expect anyone to clap when you tell them you beat a hard boss first try with a cheesy build.

[@ubermenschen01]

​@@SatsaruHere's the thing: people don't talk about their builds in that way. Like nobody claps for you using any build, except for a challenge run. People online get so worked up about how others will see their playstyle, when 99% of people aren't invested in it beyond "2 handed UGS, classic" or "Ooh 2 whips castlevania build, sweet".

[@SH1NK1R01]

@@Satsarusays “nobody” despite blatant evidence to the contrary then calls it cheese right after. You can’t make this up. There isn’t any actual cheese in these games. You either win or you convince yourself to do the harder less logical thing for personal satisfaction.

[@tylercafe1260]

After getting a lot of the early exploration done in the DLC I can understand the complaints about the difficulty but it's specifically the stat bloat that happens. It makes the game extremely punishing for small mistakes until you get enough blessings. You also just don't do that much damage and since you're already max upgrade it makes blessings the only way to damage boost to a fair level. It's stats are just over bloated in the weirdest way.

[@Dragonsmana]

Remember all, Miyazaki himself, said it is perfectly valid to use guides and things. The fact "git gud" twitter QRT'd the articles with "Actually no" shows just how unhinged they are.

[@conspiracypanda1200]

"I'm really struggling with this part of the game..." "Ha! You should have just gone to [insert hidden place here] and gotten [insert powerful item or weapon here]. Also you should be [insert level here] with at least [number in stat here] and you have to complete [quest name here]." "But I never found any of that! I guess I'll just have to look it up-" "NUH UH!!!"

[@Ntwinzz]

LOL

[@specters_art]

Size of Limgrave maybe in the content but with their magical powers of copy paste they were able to like double that size. Even still took me 35 hours (without all the travel probably more around 25-30 hours) to do all the bosses, every area, and finished all the quests. Probably like 95% complete. $20-25 should have been the price. Since for the new content it pretty much equals their older DLCs. You’re paying extra for landmass filled with things you already did in the base game and even has repeats of things in the DLC.

[@demilung]

Comparable to Dark Souls 1 more like

[@pieguy311]

Just let me know when they hit blood borne

[@mermaid_hina2713]

I know that area!!!

[@richnolan2744]

Lol not pure magic builds

[@crimsonking440]

Yeah, thays the reason. Sure. Thats why you raised vigor and endurance too, right? Cause you wanted to meet the stat requirements.

[@Azaro_64]

So, what is Pat reffering to when talking about an encounter that requires you to use the crafting system? I'm pretty sure I've seen like 80% of the DLC and haven't bumped into that situation

[@Wanna_Be_Desu]

Spoiler Obviously: Probably talking about a dormant fire giant enemy that you need to throw a big whirlwind fire pot to reactivate and fight it.

[@Unknownost]

There was furnace golems you can only kill by throwing bombs into.

[@figuures6098]

Very minor encounter spoilers ahead: Not sure if it’s what he’s talking about, but the giant furnace wickermen, if you can get a high vantage point on them, you can throw hefty fire pots into their head to overheat them for like 10-15k dmg per throw

[@OllyRoger]

People (rightfully) laughed Lords of the Fallen out of the room for being able to stunlock every enemy to death through the entire game, and now everyone is calling Elden Ring a masterpiece for pigeonholing you into builds where you do exactly that for every boss or die. 10/10. Never change, Souls fans.

[@ellagage1256]

No offense Pat but if you "grind" yourself up to level 300+ you shouldn't be talking about how easy or difficult the game is

[@zeroskaterz92]

Level barely has any affect on the DLC. As if anything, if he's on level 300+, the DLC would scale with it and make the game a whole lot harder if that's the case.

[@Audiodump]

"Just cheat!" See... Thats fine and good for players. But for streamers its boring. I don't care if someone just spams rot and shit in their own game. But when I'm watching someone play the game for my entertainment...watching them steamroll with no effort and barely see boss moves....what's the point? I'm watching a streamer to see their reactions. By cheating and steamrolling I don't get those reactions so there's no reason to watch. Which is why I never rewatch the DS3 LP because pat leveled to like SL 100 and full black knight armor in the fucking third level of the game. Which is totally fine if he's just playing at home...but its straight up boring as shit to watch.

[@tyomega9939]

Oh yeah that is honestly the big issue for me personally when I try to watch certain LP's or streamers. I'm not shitting on them with how they play, unless it's actual genuine cheating using hacks, but seeing stuff get trivialize when I wanna see reactions can be very very boring.

[@Shugadonk]

I just beat a certain cool boss yesterday and was so enamored by how cool it was, so I went on KZbin to see other people's encounters with it. The first video was jackcepticeye's playthrough and when he fought the boss, he summoned mimic with powerstanced great stars spamming jump r2, and he melted the boss first try. Experienced absolutely none of the boss at all. If that's how you want to play the game, fine go ahead, there's just no point in me watching when there pretty much nothing to watch.

[@buggydclown8460]

@@tyomega9939yeah but Pat did hack. He gave himself unlimited elden beast remembrances and made himself level like 320. He made it so he takes no damage, deals lots of damage, can wear the best armor, and turlte behind a great shield while spamming the Cheasiest ashes of war/spells because he made his Mp level 50. On top of that he uses npc summons and normal summons. It truly makes for a boring experience and made me stop watching his play through.

[@buggydclown8460]

This is what also turned me off the ds3 play through because what’s the point of watching people play a game that they not only beat every boss first try but also basically phase skip because they do so much damage.

[@YouCalledForTheDoc]

@@buggydclown8460Wtf are you talking about? He dies a ton of times

[@omfg322]

People are not using the resources the game gives you and people refuse to change playstyles or adapt then go oommmgggg it's too hard wwaahhhh. Pat is right, the dlc is doing everything to cheat you, so cheat harder.

[@TheMrrccava]

CHEAT. HARDER.

[@froginbell9851]

Okay, I just want to make absolutely sure. Is the Land of Reeds "just Sekiro" in the sense that a land exactly like Sekiro is in the Rlden ring world? But isn't actually "that" Sekiro? Or is is that Sekiro takes place in the same setting as Elden ring? Because that would make a lot of sense considering that going forward there will be an Elden ring 2 with the stated intent to make it an expansive universe. Its just that Miyazaki won't be working in that.