Being a KOTOR Fan is Suffering | Castle Super Beast 244 Clips

[@ShintoArt]

"Getting into KOTOR was a mistake" Welcome to being Star Wars fan Woolie, someone will be at your table shortly to disappoint you.

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

Never has anything else ruined the rest of the universe it came from, for me. Like I’m absolutely dickriding this series but it simply doesn’t compare

[@leithaziz2716]

I'm not a Sonic fan (allthough a big Like a Dragon enjoyer which is also Sega), but that just sounds like how the people I watch who are into Sonic feel like with their IP.

[@tylerhenderson5871]

​@@leithaziz2716As much as I laugh at their misery, I truly do understand the Sonic fans pain when it comes to Star Wars.

[@Kaarl_Mills]

Most of the disappointment comes from the absolute reprobates and schizos, screeching and shitting on the upholstery. It's like a waffle house but the staff has no energy to deal with the obscene amounts of stupid bullshit their customers drag in

[@johnrivers3813]

"shortly"

[@MuzzySkeleton]

KOTOR doesn't need a remake. It just needs a REMASTER with bug fixing and some cut content included, same with KOTOR II.

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

Yeah, a remake is not necessary at all. Sure there might be something interesting that writers could do with a Mass Effect style dialog system that gives Reven a more consistent personality regardless of Light/Dark Side path, but considering the piss poor quality of so much writing in media these days, I don't trust them to do that well.

[@mightyborges9473]

I don’t know, I love the game, still consider it one of my all time favorites, but getting back to playing it is rough. Fantastic story, characters and choices, but it is a pretty dated game, mechanically and visually. I don’t think a remaster would be enough for either.

[@ryangallagher8194]

@@mightyborges9473 Yeah, as someone who really wanted to play it a few years ago, and who is very open to playing old games that haven't aged well... that one's gameplay was way, way rougher than most.

[@Ike_of_pyke]

There's a balance , like say if it was in a ssytem similar to dragon age origins but with the Kotor action queuing

[@zynux8252]

It baffles me that anyone actually wants a remake of this. You don't want KOTOR retrofitted into modern Star Wars storytelling and lore, you will 100% regret it.

[@SilencedBTM]

"I guess their tolerance for terrible controls is better than mine." Pat, that's literally everyone else on earth.

[@EbonMaster]

Patrick "Refunded Pizza Tower" Boivin

[@Blurredborderlines]

@@EbonMaster You're actually kidding, he's not actually that much of a fraud

[@quinnkaplan172]

he is in fact@@Blurredborderlines

[@Blurredborderlines]

@@quinnkaplan172 How do I dislike a comment

[@fien111]

Woolie has his insane FPS set-up because he wants good mouse aiming AND good thumbstick movement. It's nuts but I get the mentality. Pat literally broke a FPS dev live in chat refusing to play a Quake throwback with anything other than a gamepad

[@SmoothEnigma]

The WORST part is that they fucked over a fan remake for their offical one THAT WON'T COME OUT EITHER NOW! IM SO MAD!

[@Blurredborderlines]

Should just dump the resources for the fan game to spite them, make it a public project and then trademark it

[@IsaacSperrow]

​@@BlurredborderlinesUltimately there would be a very very low chance of around 1000% that they know which party is responsible for those resources getting to the public. The spite is not worth being homeless and broke.

[@Blurredborderlines]

@@IsaacSperrow What is the point if they're not even allowed to make the game anymore while the company is (very blatantly) hawking an IP they plan to do nothing with - that constitutes a violation of copyright law 🤷‍♂️ Just my two cents, companies that just sit on titles to do absolutely nothing with them should leave them open to legal scrutiny when they also engage in behavior that denies active competition in the marketplace.

[@IsaacSperrow]

@@Blurredborderlines Welcome to the world of legality, where some of people's favourite things technically isn't (ie torrents, most 3d porn, mods etc etc) and the things that the people hate, is legal, like this shitty situation. Silver lining is that its still the mainstream stuff. Once they start going after the niches, then a lot of people are actually screwed.

[@diegomedina9637]

​@@IsaacSperrowYeah I think someone appreciates having a home and money more rather than having the approval of some random schmucks online.

[@kapkant6197]

Now the KOTORcels know how the noble plight of the Republic Commando connoisseur feels

[@aprendizdefegelein]

When the closeat thing we have to an "Imperial Commando" is 2 missions in EA battlefront 2 🙃

[@aSkymne]

As a enjoyer of both at least republic commando has the sweet release of zero promises kotor keeps bringing up hope just to destroy it over and over

[@leithaziz2716]

Imagine being a Force Unleashed fan who only liked the 1st game. It's not as bad, but still pain.

[@zorokicksass60]

As a Kotor fan and just regular starwars game enjoyer, I have a mighty need to isolate myself to a remote planet in the galaxy, drink green milk and wait to die.

[@numbersevenforthewin]

Luckily for me, Republic Commando spawned a love of hardcore tactical games. So while I'm sad there's been nothing, I'm still glad it happened.@@aSkymne

[@stbr68]

KOTOR remake being canceled is by far the best possible thing that could have happened to KOTOR and the fans

[@subjectnivleis7572]

Kotor has no remake kotor needs no remake

[@Sharkwizard]

@@subjectnivleis7572all it honestly needs is the Halo Anniversary treatment where they literally change NOTHING about the game except for a visual upgrade.

[@YuNamZhang]

If only I knew in the mid 2000s when I was playing the kotors and vampire the masquerade and wishing for more of those games, what a monkey's paw request I was making. Everytime I hear news about either of them is just concentrated misery.

[@thelaughingrouge]

This comment speaks to my soul!

[@hosvet_animation]

Sadly they're not genres indie games have really gotten in to yet so you'll have to wait another 3-15 years until they get there.

[@leblanc1717]

Pat just strait up lying about Jade empire wtf game was fun as hell

[@zorokicksass60]

I hate that line: “They’ll never make anything this good ever again…” Cuts deep.

[@theotherjared9824]

A "mysterious third party" objected to officially adding the cut content back to KOTOR 2, which is why that bonus was retracted. There are no further questions and red flags with that statement.

[@joshuabrien2970]

So what disney not wanting to give people who are good at stuff credit and they can't monetize it

[@theotherjared9824]

​@@joshuabrien2970Disney had to approve the move in the first place. They are implying some other rights holder to the game or mod specifically vetoed the decision upon learning about it.

[@Cobalt163]

This is the KOTOR news that truly devastates me tbh

[@privatepenguin8291]

Pat activates his stand ability in terms of Jade Empire.

[@hosvet_animation]

I'm ashamed to admit I never really understood his stand's abilities well for over 8 years watching these channels, until recently.

[@cybergeek11235]

@@hosvet_animation hey, we all learn at different rates and it's not like it's frequently explained or anything - just referenced a lot. If you're not great at pattern recognition, it's unsurprising that it could take a while. :)

[@hosvet_animation]

@@cybergeek11235 Well I am it's just I think I missed the core original explanation of it so whenever I heard it in an LP it was sandwiched between, "Did ya pick up the bonus? Hey Mcgillicutty, Oleary didn't pick up the bonus." and, "The Mallo that will mount the world." because the SPBFs are one of the densest difficult to penetrate LP channels referencing obscure horror games and fighting game terminology while screaming over each other and sandbagging.

[@cybergeek11235]

What? Someone exists who has _literally any_ tolerance for combat/controls that aren't S-tier, Pat? Perish the thought!

[@TyranusRex721]

The fact that Past of all people says this and known the video games he loves is absolutely hilarious.

[@iller3]

@@TyranusRex721 you dare besmirch the glory of tank controls??

[@Cman0451]

I love this modern media culture of announcing big exciting project and making a teaser visual before starting any actual work on it...

[@hosvet_animation]

That shit is 10 years old at LEAST. It's an institution at this point.

[@diegomedina9637]

​@@hosvet_animation10 years? Try 20+ at the very least.

[@aSkymne]

I accept this penance and self flagellation for even daring to get my hopes up and may it drive me through another bitter play through of kotor 2

[@Kaarl_Mills]

Shall I get the cross and nails for you? I think I'm up after you're done

[@johnrivers3813]

Pre-mod

[@NucleaRaptor]

Wasn't the recent Switch remaster based off of the original Xbox release without any of the patches that fix bugs and restore cut content? Will the cuckening of KOTOR2 ever cease? :v

[@aSkymne]

@@Kaarl_Mills yes it’s the only path to salvation

[@aSkymne]

@@NucleaRaptor you bet your sweet lil ass it was

[@ZeOHKay]

From what I remember hearing about the KOTOR remake when it was first announced, my expectations were VERY low. Because what better way to instill a sense of confidence in your project then... hire the woman who tried to claim she was the lead writer of R&C: Rift Apart... and then went on to help write COD Vanguard.

[@unlimitedricepudding7826]

Super late to this, but she’s also the crazy lady who claimed she was virtually rd in GTA Online back in 2014 because someone teabagged her on a local news station, so that set my expectations for the remake to absolute zero when it was announced

[@adomisk3047]

Hello fans of KOTOR. I sympathize with your frustration and hope you get through this difficult time. - A Legacy of Kain fan.

[@SciontheDark]

Why are you concocting such a decadent confection at this ghastly hour?

[@adomisk3047]

@@SciontheDark Because I've lost control of my life. But how could I lose something I never once truly possessed?

[@pathfindersavant3988]

I want to hear Raziel and Kreia monologue at eachother so bad.

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

We KOTOR fans will endure no matter the suffering!

[@shicorvus2.094]

hey. so how's it goint, legacy of kain fan?

[@StickWithTrigger]

I still remember Darth Pockets I still see her in my dreams (Shes asking me to empty my pockets)

[@nananamamana3591]

" *PAAAAAYYYYY MEEEEE!!!!* " screams your sleep paralysis demon, Darth Pockets.

[@anenemystand5582]

Skull and bones was announced when I was in highschool. Ive been out of college for over a year

[@SinnerBeta]

Funny thing is I had a blast replaying kotor 1 and 2 on my phone of all platforms. And they even made a phone version of the content restoration patch for 2.

[@TheMilhouseExperience]

Reminder how the restored content patch Aspyr promised is still not out and they are being sued for false advertisement.

[@johnrivers3813]

GOOD! I'm glad they're being sued! I'm tired of game companies promising this awesome amazing game and then delivering meh and then issuing an apology afterwards

[@Dragonsmana]

This might of aged a little poorly already. Jason Schreier confirmed that it IS in development currently at Saber Interactive. Also given the fact that Grubb has a history of throwing everything at the wall until something sticks, this shouldn't be a surprise he was lying lol. I mean seriously, Grubb is someone who has told us 5 directs ago we were getting Twilight Princess and Wind Waker remasters (to be announced there), Metroid Prime was a trilogy remaster was coming out since 2017, then changing it as the story went along, as well as getting blown the fuck out by Bandai because he lied about Scarlet Nexus launching day one on Gamepass. That is like the one time I can recall a publisher putting out a press release to shoot something like that down. I've literally seen his fans defend him with "he just gets high and says things, is not his fault" as if that is some sort of excuse for all the misinformation he spreads.

[@pennyisdreadful]

yeah idgaf, i'll believe it was being worked on when it's in my fucking hands and i finish the game.

[@Blurredborderlines]

It also wouldn't surprise me if companies were spiteful enough to cancel projects that get leaked so as to discredit "unapproved" actors showing things early.

[@Dragonsmana]

@@Blurredborderlines So rather than Jeff Grubb being a compulsive liar with a history of things not coming true to reach for clout, it is more likely the large number of companies he says have contacts in have all thrown untold thousands of dollars into the trash independently just to spite him? That is the conspiracy you are going with?

[@3RNR3]

Yeah it's so stupid how often Jeff grub talking put of his ass is used as news for these podcast

[@ice_queen9]

i don't believe any of these social media reporters anymore lol. remembering how many times i've seen INDUSTRY INSIDER REVEALS BLOODBORNE PC PORT ANY DAY NOW :[ same goes for the people who say things will never happen. only trust official announcements

[@Kaarl_Mills]

"being a kotor fan is suffering" Has been since 2004, whats another 20 years on the cross?

[@cbhensoncbhenson5515]

God that Dragon Age line hurt. Cause Awakening DLC was such a strong premise and cast of party members that it really should have been fleshed out into being Dragon Age 2 instead of the Dragon Age 2 we got.

[@czarkusa2018]

The best thing Dragon Age 2 did is go far, far away from Ferelden.

[@АлександрПушкин-я4щ]

I actually love being a KOTOR fan. Thank god they didn't fuck it up with the remake. Anyone who expected anything good is insane.

[@Rio..o7..]

Good News Everyone!!

[@Zeik56]

They weren't going to delete the old game from the world. Even if it was bad it wouldn't have any affect on the old version. But if it's never made there's 0 chance of it being good.

[@zigmus00A]

​@@Zeik56YOU DON'T KNOW THAT Don't forget what Blizzard did to Warcraft: Reforged

[@jeangreffsbp]

Exactly, i knew it was gonna be shit the moment i saw that leechs name attached to it, be glad KTOR is not gonna get shat on by a shitty remake made by people who hate it

[@iller3]

indeed a worthy sacrifice! assuming it keeps the Maggs monster in exile for another year...

[@coleviloria3800]

I remember the fan remake entirely in Unreal Engine 5 a few years back, almost applied to work on it then it was hit with a DCMA(?) by Disney and then now this. I hope Woolie try’s out Republic Commando.

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

That fan remake clearly didn't listen to Woolie's advice to all fanfare devs: "SHUT THE FUCK UP!"

[@prowlingmonkey]

I was a kid at the best time for Star Wars games, the decade between the SNES trilogy to the original Battlefront 2. The games meant way more to me than any of the films. My brother and I would rent and spend our weekends playing through them whenever a new one came out. It is a fun galaxy to explore

[@EduardoFlores-bt4fo]

The Rogue Squadron games are top notch

[@hosvet_animation]

That's the golden age for Star Wars games ironically. When Lucas actively gave game devs access to the films and his resources but let them do whatever they wanted.

[@Haru-spicy]

Jade Empire was a good RPG, and the combat gets somewhat better when you know what you're doing (the game does not do much to properly teach you), also there's a lot of unbalanced horseshit, usually involving ghosts. Generally it's best to spec magic so you can dunk on ghosts, since they tend to be immune to most other stuff. Even then, some enemies just ignore the rules of the game and damage you automatically through blocks and stuff, which is shitty.

[@thebulletman1000]

Why would you trust anyone to NOT screw up a kotor remake? That's just begging to be disappointed.

[@rrenkrieg7988]

i would actually trust a bunch of modders to remake both kotors

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

@@rrenkrieg7988like that guy who redid all of re4s textures over years, only for the remake to come out like a week after. Poor guy

[@YuNamZhang]

RIP kotor apeiron

[@rrenkrieg7988]

@@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat nah, he's fine, you can still appreciate his work separately from the new remake

[@Maguspwns2]

I always thought Jade Empire was one of the better Bioware games. I've beaten it twice which is more than I can say for any other Bioware game. The gameplay was neat and the writing and morality system were more gray than 90% of Bioware's stuff. It's definitely rough around the edges in places but it's way more memorable and unique than most of their other games aside from KOTOR 2. Is that an unpopular opinion?

[@deanospimoniful]

Bioware didn't make KOTOR II, Obsidian did.

[@leithaziz2716]

I don't really know anyone who talks about Jade Empire in the 1st place, so I dunno.

[@Tleilaxu0]

You gotta remember, Pat has no middle ground between "I like this" and "It's terrible". But no, Jade Empire has a laundry list of flaws, but it reviewed very well at the time.

[@SolidSnake240]

Jade Empire was so fun. Some of the most memorable side quests I've played.

[@krodmandoon3479]

Out if the 500 people who actually played *and* remembered it correctly it's pretty fondly looked back on.

[@shingen012]

Ironically if you don't want to install a bunch of correction mods, the most stable versions of KOTOR I & II are the Xbox versions.

[@ODST_Parker]

Man, being a KOTOR fan is just fucking fine from where I'm sitting. I've got both games. I've got tons of mods. I've got years, YEARS of enjoyment and experience that I wouldn't trade for anything. This shit is great. I honestly never gave a fuck about the remake, because Star Wars is in a state of failures of various degrees, and I didn't want my favorite Star Wars video game of all time to be part of that. They were probably gonna fuck it up anyway. It's unfortunate that you have to go in such a roundabout way to play them on PC nowadays, but it'll always be worth it to me. It's one of those games I can ALWAYS think about replaying, at any time, at completely random intervals. It's timeless in my mind, a constant which is good and fun no matter what, regardless of how much I've played it. That's all it has to be. If there was a GOOD remake, and it was just the same thing but better, modern, and capable of playing without fixes, fantastic, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. If not, I'll settle for what I've got.

[@grahamcarpenter691]

Honestly the way Jade went out in Captain Lazerhawk is a pretty good metaphor for the development of Beyond Good and Evil 2

[@oddlots2186]

Jade Empire was great. Not perfect but it had a lot of neat ideas and the story beats were fun.

[@NucleaRaptor]

There once was a time when I would've given my firstborn for Bioware to get their hands on the MK license and make an MK action-RPG in the vein of Jade Empire (god knows it has the setting and the lore to comfortably carry something like that). Hell, I'd be ecstatic to just get a proper JE2. These days, I'm just happy the first Jade Empire came out before Bioware turned into a shambling troonfested necromorph.

[@bearVshark100]

Yeah I learned a while ago that whenever Pat gives a knee jerk opinion on something it needs a follow up clarification because I probably disagree with him. If a game had bad combat in the early 00s we didn’t notice it, we just adapted to it.

[@damas92]

KOTOR 2 SWITCH bug has been fixed for over a year

[@hipiticlivi7400]

Jade Empire was fine, original, action bassed, buggy like every bioware game and more streamlined. The combat have probably aged pretty bad, but at its time it was fine and fresh. Also the story of the game is based on one of the most famous memes before it was a meme, that makes it a 10/10 in my book.

[@rudeboyspodcast]

It's a great example of a game that was pushing boundaries at the time, but still stuck in current technology. Good ambition, pretty alright execution.

[@TyranusRex721]

So here is the fun history of the KotoR remake. KotoR was shopped around by several studios, because Embracer and Disney refused to actually fund it. Sony picks it up (after Microsoft said no) Aspyre, who has dome most of the old Star Wars rereleases, starts to work on it. They have a solid vertical slice of the game to show off. Sony hates it because it is not "cinematic enough". Aspyre loses the game and it is given to another team in Embracer. After another year of development, with no news, Embracer starts having serious problems. From all accounts, there is no one or next to no one working on the game. It seems Sony is out and are no longer funding the game. It is rough being a KotoR fan right now...or a Star Wars fan in general.

[@UnfunnE]

Being a fan of anything right now is suffering.

[@herosshade2247]

Hey, Capcom games are doing good rn

[@egg2520]

Nuh uh

[@leithaziz2716]

I dunno, fighting games are doing better than they've ever been. Just calm down the monetisation, devs.

[@victorwagner2423]

Including the Suffering (2004)

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

considering what fan is short for, i prefer just liking things when they're good. "i like thing" instead of being "im a fan of thing." it keeps things simpler.

[@MBMEMDDD]

What are you people on about, this not being made is the best news all year. Only suffering had was from everyone celebrating too hard.

[@cincymutt]

I didn't want a remake anyway; just want a proper third entry. But, I realize you might need a flashy new game to (re)sell a story - one that you already know is good - to a wider audience..

[@TheJadedJames]

I’ve long since given up on the idea of KOTOR 3. The existence of the MMO basically nuked that from orbit as the backstory/lore of the MMO covers everything that was going to happen to Revan and the Exile

[@SaulGoodman3D2049]

@@TheJadedJames There's still the hope of a third entry that ignores all the MMO lore like how Halloween was rebooted to ignore its sequels twice. But if there were sufficient demand for it, it probably would have been made ages ago.

[@TheJadedJames]

@@SaulGoodman3D2049 I don’t think demand is necessarily the issue. 1313 never happened, even though people would have obviously bought it

[@Blurredborderlines]

Isn't that the point of making a KOTOR movie?

[@Watch-Yisus]

I am not suffering. Because Kotor is just allright while the masterpiece that is Kotor 2 wasn't gonna get a Remake anyway. Okay, I'm suffering a LITTLE.

[@jimbob1862]

I remember when the remake announcement hit and it was reported that there was talks of the remake containing both 1 and 2, and that's when my heart finally gave out

[@tylerhenderson5871]

Woolie, this is what being a Star Wars fan is like in general.

[@Dae-D-Ellis]

Here's hoping Woolie ignores Pat and actually tries Jade Empire. I have been wanting a lets play of it from the gang since the SBF days. One of those games I think would have had a godlike Sequel

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

Woolie didn't play Half Life 2 because Pat says its physics-based gameplay aged poorly, so...

[@IsaacSperrow]

​@@RipOffProductionsLLCActual crazy talk. This is a solid reason why the stand memes are annoying. It downplays actual insane takes.

[@themacewens]

Meanwhile SW Empire at War just got an actual update, when it was first released 17 YEARS AGO. EaW enjoyers winning.

[@dunethewanderer8944]

The only joy as a Star Wars fan that I have experienced in the last two years is that Empire At War got an update to make the .exe 64bit so it can actually run on modern hardware last week.

[@thelaughingrouge]

Oh no shit? Cool!

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

If you want some good Star Wars content AFanWithTooMuchTime has made a fantastic fan fiction in audiobook format here on KZbin. Don't let the incredibly blunt title "Star Wars vs 40K" fool you, it's not just a fight(though where there are fights he makes sure to keep it interesting/ "balanced"), it goes in-depth on how such a cross over effects everything on each side, has character drama going on. Easily the best writing for either franchise this decade. EDIT: also be sure to use the big playlist he has, since there are "shorts" that are unnumbered episodes and that playlist has everything in the correct order.

[@shrubninja6444]

Hey, I really liked Jade Empire. Heck you, Pat.

[@grandobsidian]

On the bright side Woolie, at least you haven't been down the rabbit hole of friend groups of Star Wars fans using Sith and Jedi ideologies to argue real world politics. At least I hope you haven't

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

*that's a thing?!*

[@johnrivers3813]

That's so....

[@ohcalypso9633]

Granted I have a lot of personal affection/nostalgia for it and my tolerance for "bad controls" is probably higher than most people, I think Jade Empire is very good. I did play it again more recently, and while I could understand someone not liking the combat, I prefer its gameplay overall to KOTOR's and I wouldn't put its story too far behind, and its environments are lovely.

[@decus478]

KOTOR was basically an IP miracle back when it happened. If they wanted to repeat it, they'd have to get Larian or Obsidian or something off the wall like Monolith to make something with the IP. I also think it's hilarious that people are saying "Jeff Grub is always wrong" or whatever in the same breath that they're trusting Jason Schreier on this. You mean the guy who got ass mad at people for saying Jedi Survivor was a mess? And still claims there's nothing wrong with Jedi Survivor? That's the guy you want to trust for KOTOR news? Okay then. I definitely wouldn't listen to anything Jeff Grub says, but I equally would not listen to anything a company may or may not be laundering through an obvious mark like Jason Schreier either. The default assumption, until challenged with actual evidence, is that Saber Interactive or anything Embracer will not be releasing anything.

[@silverroddo1468]

We were robbed of a David Cage game-to make fun of and criticize hard.

[@EbonMaster]

idk what Pat's on about. Jade Empire was awesome.

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

damn never thought id see them reference the madoka meme

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

bet $100 woolie doesnt know what madoka is

[@Khotgor]

@@attackofthecopyrightbots Pretty sure Liam knew back in the day of SBFP, and it was talked about before with Woolie.

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

@@Khotgor True but I guarantee it's lost in the fog of woolies mind

[@PirateKingBoros]

I’m gonna be that guy, they dug tf out of this hole themselves when they hired that cringe ass Anita Sarkeessian wannabe to write the thing and she went on to boast about how she was gonna change the story out of spite to the old fans. I feel no pity and I don’t think we’re missing much.

[@tequilawhiskey]

You can absolutely beat kotor 2 without the mod

[@IstasPumaNevada]

I've just stopped being hopeful about new games. Whether it's something I've never heard about before, or a sequel to one of my favorite games of all time, there's no point in getting hyped before the game is actually out and we can see what it's like. Only once it's out does it deserve any investment of attention. KSP and Cities Skylines are a couple of my favorite games ever. Despite this, when the sequels were first announced, my reaction was "we'll see" and I put them out of my mind as much as possible until they could be played by the public. MechWarrior taught me not to hold my breath, Spore taught me not to get hyped, and countless games have reinforced those lessons. Also, NEVER PREORDER ANYTHING.

[@johnrivers3813]

Yeah.... I reached that breaking point too. The amount of overselling and under delivering we get as gamers should be illegal

[@Nerevar5me]

Heyyy Jade empire is fun!

[@theycallmejojo6090]

We will always have the David Cage Star Wars game.

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

Imagine if THAT was the kotor remake

[@theycallmejojo6090]

@@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat My morbid curiosity now wants a BioWare game by David Cage.

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

Ah good we can add jade empire to the list of games woolie will never play

[@WeaponOfMyDestructio]

Maan i wish we could just give the ip to Larain Studios and have them go ham.

[@justinacosta6212]

If we got a Kotor remake, literally the only thing I would ask for is the feats and powers from 2 be carried back. 1 had like 0 good feats. This is assuming that they are using the same old dnd 3.5 based system.

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

We KOTOR fans will endure no matter the suffering!

[@tyrobityll]

As a Kotor fan I couldn't be happier about Kotor remake being dead. If you seen who were supposed to be a writer for the remake you would know

[@benlunaris]

The older Star Wars games aren't dead until modders say they are...Woolies needs to play the rest to understand the ultimate true final pain

[@ApathyParabellum]

Jade Empire does not suck

[@B3nny56]

How would not saying if its canceled or not - not affect the shareholders stuff or whatever? Like; personally I'd think that mean "oh well he won't comment & is being vague, I assume its fucked" & would assume that'd drop the value or whatever anyways, no?

[@TheSpookiestSkeleton]

there should be a law against buying a company and then firing a bunch of employees, like a 5 year gap between purchase and when you can lay people off

[@itselguapo]

The games that appear during a playstation showcase have a good chance of being dead shortly after the trailer is shown. KOTOR and Revenant hill both were shown during a playstation showcase and had nothing shown afterwards. Revenant hill had the unfortunate thing of being dead because team was too small and 2 of the main members quit because of health issues. Fucking game died after 5 months. Then Little Devil inside just had one trailer 2 years ago and never was heard from again.

[@revan8795]

Not sure if you saw it yet but more information has come out. He also walked back his comments. I choose to believe what I can see from developers and parent company. Jason has said he was told by Saber Interactive employees they are working on it. Also, the main guy when asked said he wasn't going to say anything since the media will just run with anything. Then this shit happens shortly after he said that. This leads me to believe more in line it is being worked on but not enough yet to reveal or show anything. Time will tell but I don't believe anyone especially if they are content creator to really know what is going on in the industry. What do I know I'm a person hoping it isn't dead and also sharing information.

[@themissinggene]

it's fine I hated the idea of a remake from the first announcement.

[@Nah-wg6dw]

Totally forgot about Eclipse. Probably for the best we don’t see any David Cage Star Wars anytime soon…

[@Felfury]

"Jade Empire was terrible" Yeah, ok Pat.

[@majdjinn5042]

Thay game being cancelled was the best thing

[@Ersanven]

Jade Empire is great but the PC controls suck ass. It controls almost completely different from the console version the camera is super weird and it makes the game feel awful even when using a controller.

[@Agent_Cobalt]

SWTOR is still kicking

[@TheShockVox]

What's terrible about Jade Empire? It's not amazing but terrible is a bit much

[@ToasterDsG]

Pat straight lying about Jade Empire sucking.

[@IsaacSperrow]

Not to defend Ubisoft, cause they are shitty, but contractual work-wise they are always on time. They want to be known as a 'prestige' developer among popular global media and corporations, so they take those third party IP contracts seriously.

[@micheljavert5923]

To some extent, wouldn't another barrier to the KOTOR games ever being remastered/rebooted is that the IP holder (ie Disney) has pretty much exiled anything made before their acquisition to the grave?

[@zaphero5518]

What are you talking about? You can get everything from X-Wing to The Force Unleashed 2 on Steam and even some remasters of stuff like Episode 1 Racer and Outcast and Academy on Switch. Don't be lying to yourself about what's commercially available.

[@diegomedina9637]

I mean I'm ok with that since the also Thanos Snapped allot of stupid shit the Star Wars franchise has pulled out.

[@Kinzokugia]

Oh my god Pat's so right, I tried to play Kotor on PC and I wanted to die

[@cyberninjazero5659]

We haven't seen any gameplay of it. The lack of a Kotor 3 was sadder, I have no feelings on a KOTOR Remake I've seen nothing real of. Maybe it would've had FF7R gameplay maybe it would've just rehashed the old gameplay we'll never know what was going on at that front for any dev

[@Archdaemos]

Jade Empire is pretty fun. It's FUCKING TERRIBLE specifically on PC because only the Xbox version controls work properly. Also one of the PC versions, can't remember if it's GoG or Steam, is missing a file by default that causes the game to CTD.

[@ngmajora6986]

I'm glad it's dead I'm not interested in seeing how they could have fucked it up or tweaked/messed with the plot to work with modern Star Wars

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

I'd honestly be really surprised if the kotor remake ends up good after all this

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

It'll probably never come out

[@778899mike]

Boo Pat, BBBBOOOOOOOO!

[@TheChainsaw105]

on the bright side, SWTOR is like, decent enough

[@hacman8732]

We’ll always have Andor, that’s the only saving grace for anything star wars coming out these days.

[@gameb9oy]

We thought that about the mandolorian at one point too

[@hyperionman420]

​@@gameb9oy fair, but tony gilroy has said that it's two and done.

[@leithaziz2716]

@@gameb9oy To be fair, you can still count those first 2 seasons in the "modern" period, as I don't think it's been that long since they came out.

[@crumdogy]

Agreed. People look back on Mandalorian fondly, but it’s Star Wars flavored junk food. The most nostalgia-bait thing Andor did was feature Mon Mothma, and they flesh her out more than she ever has been.

[@leithaziz2716]

@@crumdogy People liked Mandalorian at the start BECAUSE it was its own thing. The nostalgia-bait stuff outside of baby-yoda started to be a detriment the longer it went on, but it wasn't always like that, which is a shame.

[@soliduswasright678]

Apparently it is being worked on still. This is why I just ignore Jeff Grubb, dude is incredibly unreliable.

[@Dragonsmana]

Grubb's fans ignore the large percentage of lies for the few small nuggets that actually come true. Mostly by sheer luck. Grubb is also one of those weirdos cheering for the Microsoft takeovers. Trusting him on just about anything is a mistake lol.

[@Akimbo411]

Enjoy KOTOR for what it was and move on.

[@jeremyr4964]

Fuck you Pat, Jade Empire is excellent. The combat is just unfortunately exploitable. But if you treat the combat as context for the story it is actually quite excellent

[@iisanulquiorrahara8]

As someone who waited until the announcement came around to give KOTOR 1 another chance, and managed to complete it in preparation of more news coming around, I can safely say that this is suffering. Original game's fantastic if you ignore everything wrong with it, and I'd love to see how the flaws could all be refined in the modern age, naively optimistic as that is. That said, as someone who didn't have any troubles with the "mess" others experienced with when it came to Jedi Survivor, that game still happens to be my GOTY so far alongside Persona 5 Tactica. It's a great time that improves on Fallen Order in every way, and it was a nice distraction before getting back into the suffering as a Star Wars fan.

[@1wayroad935]

It's been too long. Asking for a KOTOR remake is crazy. Do any of you even trust Star Wars anymore?

[@thevillagehiddeninthememes1836]

They manage to fuck something up at every turn

[@Zeik56]

Andor was pretty great, but that's about the only Star Wars anything that has gotten me genuinely invested since I was a kid.

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

We’re at the point where the prequels are nostalgic

[@iller3]

@@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat that is.... despair levels of sadness

[@tylerhenderson5871]

​@@UCannotDefeatMyShmeatThey may be trash, but they are OUR trash!

[@pce0]

they would find a way to ruin it

[@TheJadedJames]

The original Knights of the Old Republic remains one of the best games of all time. But KOTOR 2 being released incomplete & KOTOR 3 basically never happening … that’s like 20 years ago. I don’t care anymore

[@Kaarl_Mills]

Even the Xbox version of two is miles better than the first game

[@masonrichey2186]

Pain

[@thebigidea9659]

Just a reminder that there was a free fan made remake of kotor that was in the works before the remake was announced. It was hit with a cease and desist and now we will never get it or the remake that was teased. In the end, nobody gets anything but lawsuits and disappointment. What a shit show.

[@shannonkinnaird5964]

With kotor 2 still being one of my favorite games ever it makes me so sad remembering how hype the fan made made project looked, "Aperion" I believe, that Disney shut down so we could get 5 years of kotor news that amounts to nothing It's just sad I'm still not even over kotor 2s sequel being an mmo tbh

[@Spootnik]

Love pat saying that Jade Empire has terrible controls and combat yet enjoys Kotor. They're both God awful, people just like star wars and the star wars one was written a little better. As a game though they're both complete garbage.

[@bl1neoner370]

I saw the title and nearly cried.

[@Rage_Casanova]

Dammit dammit dammit.

[@IgnatiusAlpha]

This week in Pat Bizarro Land: Jade Empire is a Bad Game. Every time I've even seen it mentioned before today, people thought it was good. *shrug*

[@boogiemann9363]

Saw Harold in the thumbnail and thought internet historian was on this one lol