The Dazzling Dark, an interview with John Wren Lewis by Caroline Jones.

[@JosephStockwell026]

This has got to be your best work Alan. What an incredible composition of divine elements of such an amazing interview expressing ideas, thought, experiences, music, it’s all so incredible. All elements interwoven perfectly. This is yet another expression of eternity shining as this video made by you, another expression of eternity heard by me yet another expression of eternity all within the heart of eternity itself. Thank you…infinitely:)

[@alanneachell9092]

Thank you 🙏

[@owentypebeat2449]

The Dazzling Dark he describes is very, very similar to one I have. I don’t agree with the ‘self’ being ‘one’ with everything, when this happens via meditation, I clear my mind. Let it go blank. Dissolve into this state, and experience whatever I experience. But once I do that, it’s me. I feel like I see things from a different angle, like someone else’s eyes, but the self is still there. That’s not me doing that, I’m experiencing this through the darkness. I am unified with everyone, but we are not the same. This is what makes life beautiful. My experience isn’t yours, but you have one, just as I do. You’re the same as me. But we are still individuals. We aren’t the same ‘non-self’, no. We are the same in our individuality, in our ability to feel, in our capability to think, to be free, to choose, to recognise this existence as one we share. We are the same. We are us. We are the self. Dissolving the self isn’t the end, that’s the point you get to before realising the self is the most important aspect of us all, we are a wave in the ocean, but a wave is still distinct. We are a drop, but the drop still ripples. We affect the whole, we are unified in the whole, but the whole itself we are not, we are what make up the whole. You. Me. I. Self. Us. Everyone. We make up the whole. We aren’t *it*. It implies a non existent. A non thinking. A non feeling.

[@beccasalvidant8861]

This is such an eloquent and profound talk ~ thanks Alan ❤️

[@vinceofyork]

Yes! He is explaining 'my' enlightening experience as well!! The fact that there's something rather than nothing! The 'AM'-ness of self is identical to the 'IS'-ness of all that IS! It's constant amazement in all things! The only difference between the speaker and this body is that compassion and empathy for everything has brought 'me' to be vegan. I couldn't possibly harm animals as they are sentient beings who aren't much different than myself both spirituality and logically/materially.

[@ordinaryguy815]

I myself am also vegan, but actually the distinction you make between sentient and non sentient is your own projection. Life is one, and life eats life. That being said, follow your own heart.

[@vinceofyork]

@@ordinaryguy815 Yes we are all one, which means I couldn't possibly inflict suffering onto another being who also desires to live. Cows, pigs, & chickens all desire to live, they resist going into the gas chambers and cry when we steal their babies from them for dairy consumption. The universe gave us empathy and compassion, and it hurts my heart when I see this. Watch a documentary called Dominion on KZbin.

[@kalliyoga]

Yes so true ! Our Oneness is our knowing evolution. Yogananda said there is a divine lam, and it is beautiful. 💛

[@loganbranjord7855]

@@ordinaryguy815 if we look deep the inmost desire of a living being is to seek further complexity. So being more efficient toward that goal would mean seeking the least effort to generate food. The cost of creating an animal (how we classify it currently) seems to take more effort than some simple forms of food like plants. So for a human projection - eating plants is efficient. Thing is, what else can you be? You can be your form, or be the nothing. Just do whatever haha

[@alanneachell9092]

If you listen to the compilation, "Multiple Perceptions" Rupert is describing source, without apparent viewpoints as the 'Blackest black" I would suggest that John Wren Lewis is describing the same experience.

[@fea88]

If I am allowed 🙏: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnybaaV4lL6pa6M

[@TheAmbamatamantrasvideos]

He speaks about what is love...as i see it, Love is allowing itself to discover itself that it is Love itself💞

[@tedmom3029]

Beautifully done.

[@deni0404]

Wow!🤩 this is absolutely amazing ❤️thank You sooo much Alan for sharing this. The Truth resonates!🥰🙏 very encouraging!!

[@PietyOFpaxson]

I can’t thank you enough for this piece of “work” Alan. You are obviously in the “business” of saving life and lives with this and other efforts. And, thanks SO much to John Wren for sharing. Pretty much speechless at this point ..

[@alanneachell9092]

Thanks for your sincere comments 🙏🏽💕

[@timdavis2220]

Fascinating. Great find. Thanks Alan.

[@marylaporte6996]

Amazing. I have listened to many accounts of nde's but this one is the absolute best. It answered questions I have had. His belief that the visions and experiences of light are really a part of coming back feels so right to me. Most accounts of nde's include phenomena that relatives, spirit guides, lights etc.. My mystical experience capaulted me to the one thing - LOVE, the kind he describes here. Thank you for posting this.

[@alanneachell9092]

🙏💕

[@laurenelizabeth8823]

Fascinating interview! Thank you for posting it.

[@teamworktan]

Nice find! I have a dozen or more of Wren Lewis' papers and even read a draft of his book The 9:15 to Nirvana, but to hear him speak has a particular power. I'm always struck by his candor. Not weighted down with beliefs like so many that claim to be spiritual teachers.

[@PietyOFpaxson]

Diddo. Namaste _/\_

[@purpleman1974]

Could you please tell me how you were able to access that draft of his book? Was "The 9:15 to Nirvana" ever finished? Why has it never been published? Thank you very much in advance. John´s NDE´s papers have been my most important spiritual guide. Despite being eloquent, he has been able to create short sentences that are as powerful as centuries of spiritual traditions. Phrases such as "Eternity focused down into this body-mind perspective" or especially his superb "Eternity John-ing" are capable by themselves to stop you from being a seeker and make you put your anchor in your true Self, which is the Dazzling Dark.

[@teamworktan]

@@purpleman1974 The 9:15 to Nirvana was finished, but I don't know the reasoning why it was never published. I no longer recall who, but someone sent me a draft copy, which I no longer have.

[@purpleman1974]

@@teamworktan Oh, thank you very much for the response! This book has become almost an urban legend. Maybe it is a copyright problem. I have read every single available article John Wren Lewis has published, but I too was worried to read elsewhere that some of them were actually not original Lewis´ articles, but reformulations with added content by other people. That book would erase every doubt about it.

[@kalliyoga]

Thank you for your sharing. Rupert Spira, Mooji, Gina Lake, Yogananda and the and so many others are sharing the Mystic Reality and it’s simplicity. It is the ego built on the voice in the head which gets in the way.

[@MsMikeytt]

Interesting he said a fear of death keeps us in the dream....I'm reminded of Adyashanti's awakening, he said that a fear of death came over him during meditation and as soon as he internally said to himself, "OK, I'll die", his awakening process occurred. Ramana Marharshi had a similar surrender to death which triggered his initial awakening.

[@alanneachell9092]

Yes, interesting

[@garycox3841]

Wow! What a wonderful conversation to listen to, as I chip away on this granite beach stone, with hammer and point, and experiencing presence all the while. And, yes! Feeling gratitude for no reason at all, has felt the best, in my experience 🙏❤️

[@alanneachell9092]

Joy without a cause must be the ultimate experience 🙏💕

[@zenroshi3957]

What a gem!

[@allenheart582]

I had the experience of the dazzling darkness in a simple, quiet meditation to celebrate a mystical convergence of 11:11 that friends had invited me to share. We were to begin with a brief individual meditation and afterwards share our experience. I could merely describe that as brilliant blackness. No one could tell me what that meant. Many years later, I found that the Gnostics would help initiates discover this divine experience which they explained as sitting in the lap of God, His light shining past and illuminating the darkness. I was also gifted with healing hands and healed many, and with communicating with the dead who was comfortably in heaven, and receiving the original teachings of Jesus in poetic format. I learned to listen to what my elders had taught about the Grandmothers and Grandfathers who whispered in the breeze in the tops of the trees--the sissagwad, it was called. I learned about the means by which Holy Spirit speaks to us through when a book fell off a shelf into my arms, The Heart's Code by Dr. Paul Pearsall.

[@alanneachell9092]

Tha dazzling dark is such a wonderful description.

[@allenheart582]

@@alanneachell9092 That's what it looked like, even more amazing when I discovered its significance.

[@owentypebeat2449]

you can communicate with the dead?? like, they’re in a sort of heaven/afterlife that you can (or could) connect to to talk?

[@allenheart582]

​@@owentypebeat2449 I was at a party at Deanie's apartment when she got a call from our mutual friend. Madonna was having a psychic attack and wanted advice what to do. Deanie handed me the phone, "Here, Allen, you handle this!" So I did and when Madonna was OK she asked me if I could put her in touch with her husband who had died after a month of their wedding. I told her I'd give it a try, I'd never done that before. So I went into meditation and a few minutes later, I told her that I had just heard a laugh and the words,"Tell her to stop worrying, I'm fine." I reported that to Madonna and she chuckled in satisfaction and said, "That's exactly what he would say..he was always so calmly assuring me!" I had never met him, or talked with Madonna, I was more surprised than she was. Didn't seek out such situations but handled what was placed before me...kind of freaked me out. I had no experience with this before or since..but we are eternal beings. Consciousness is fundamental reality. Naturally conscious beings are cocreators and death of the body does not mean the end of conscious existence.

[@allenheart582]

@@owentypebeat2449 Hi Owen,. Just found your reply. My mind did not, my Consciousness can and DID. Same for you or any other living human. Yeshua revealed this in the Sayings of Jesus to Judas Didymus Thomas Who Wrote Them Down. Jesus taught that there is a kingdom WITHIN--we call it Consciousness. Tibetan Buddhism calls it WHO, residing in (what), the mind/body. Frequently in the Gospel of Thomas, Jesus refers to the 2 entities that we are, one which is born and therefore temporal, and another which is immortal and eternal that is a part of God-Consciousness that rides along to have a direct experience of the created cosmos of space and time. Madonna was having a psychic attack, called my Friend Deanie who handed the phone to me. "Here, Allen, YOU handle this!" So I did, then as Madonna and I chatted, she asked me to check on her husband who had died recently after a short marriage, I went into a brief meditative state, came back to tell her I had heard someone laughing and saying, "Tell her to stop worrying, all is OK." She was very relieved and noted he always had told her that.

[@johnnywlittle]

I love how he explains past lives and being on their way back! Fascinating, and to me, seems likely more bases in truth

[@christelle1435]

Thank you so much for making this interview available. This is so meaningful to me. I wish there was a way to get hold of his book The 9:15 to Nirvana.

[@gordontaylor1670]

Beautiful. Thank you. 😊

[@davidmccollum2015]

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[@lesleymcmillan1893]

Thank you I really enjoyed this.

[@corinnecothern8086]

marvelous!

[@aryasurya2332]

This is great insight. Thank you.

[@ameliaforbes5210]

Thank you so much 😊 💕

[@user-ip2hv4mc9l]

This is a wonderful interview. Thank you so much for posting it 🙏 Does anyone have or know where to access a copy of his lost book, 9.15 to Nirvana?

[@alanneachell9092]

Sorry, I don't.

[@neodein]

Thank you, Alan :)

[@SarahDale111]

This was "my" experience of 5meo-dmt, aka the God molecule. When I reappeared, I was overcome with gratitude that anything existed at all.

[@alanneachell9092]

Wonderful

[@cassavates]

Oh I am so sorry for I do not understand what you mean.... could you please tell or suggest a videi to point to it? Thank you..

[@SarahDale111]

@@cassavates This video! 😜

[@cassavates]

@@SarahDale111 I meant for the 5meo-dmt. ?

[@alanneachell9092]

@@cassavates Bernado Kastrup talks about it sometimes

[@xerylemountain7154]

oh my...

[@alanneachell9092]

Cool talk eh?

[@deni0404]

Alan, the music and poetry in between is really beautiful. Who or what is that? Very peaceful 🙏

[@alanneachell9092]

This was already a complete talk. I only edited and cleaned up. He does mention the two poets in the talk. I can't remember though 😃

[@deni0404]

I will definitely be re-listening so I will make a note if that. Thanks

[@foolishwatcher]

The mighty algorithms seem to have been catching up. The music is now mentioned in the description. ;-)

[@michaelmcclure3383]

Oh yeah, I met him back in the 90s. Interesting guy.

[@alanneachell9092]

Great. He is very inspiring 🙏

[@michaelmcclure3383]

@@alanneachell9092 well, this blackest black he talks about is equivalent to what in Vedanta they call the causal body, out of which comes the dream and waking states. I had an experience many years ago in which there was this intense terror that come up of annihilation and then I lay down and suddenly like a knot unwinding the whole contraction as an individual evaporated and there was just this blackest black.. and out of that came subtle perceptions and again they disappeared and there was this blackest black.. finally a kind of awe inspiring presence of universal being was present and then this instantaneous recognition that oh this is Me! Then there was just this ineffable sense of completeness and rest. When perceptions started returning (could have been hours later but there was no time there) it was so lightly, felt like lighter than a feather or cloudlike.. hard to describe., but it was clear they were all just reflections within this Being I am anyway and indescribably beautiful. (I'm sure I've bored you with this before haha) The extraordinary thing about it was that somehow the core fear of death had gone.. because I knew whatever I am can't be negated, everything else appears and disappears, but I don't. I think an experience like that is only as good as the Knowledge it reveals.

[@michaelmcclure3383]

@@alanneachell9092 I like what he says about the core obscuration being the fear of death and the identification with ones character or role. What that boils down to in my view is just the insistence.on being an individual.... a separate someone. To let that go.. well that's like the evaporation of will and unfortunately that cant be done as an act if will Haha

[@alanneachell9092]

@@michaelmcclure3383 so true

[@marylaporte6996]

Alan, I would like your thoughts on this. I think the Tibetan Book of the dead says that the first experience after death is Light. Most people miss it and go on to the bardo. Many people who have had an nde describe a dark void as their first experience. It doesn't seem, from what I have heard, that it is considered very valuable, more like the first phase of the nde journey. I really wonder about the light thing. Light and Dark are both opposites, but the Dark Mr. Lewis talks about is different. I wonder if there is a way to prepare for this Dark. Anyway thanks again.

[@alanneachell9092]

It seems to me that if we don't seperate dark from light, then we see them as equal as the source. My own experience was being drawn into the light but there was no border line between the two. From this experience, my understanding was light being the first form of manifestation.

[@foolishwatcher]

@@alanneachell9092 Well said! It is all much easier to understand (as far as is possible within the thinking/rationalizing mind) if the concept of DUALity is seen much more as POLARity. It's like a battery or a magnet, you can't remove one of the poles, as it really is a UNity that requires both poles "to get the juice running". Without polarity, there is only boundless potentiality, yet at the same time Emptiness.

[@foolishwatcher]

@Mary LaPorte The important "thing" to understand is, that everything that can be perceived or even conceived, is not IT. If light is perceived, it is a perception, nothing more, nothing less. It is not what you ARE. You ARE that in which all this is (seemingly/apparanttly) happenng. Bodily existence, bardo, the bright light, even the Dark if it is perceived as the opposite (or lacking) of light and even the notion "I AM", are all perceptions/conceptions. As Nisargadatta Maharaj said: "As the Absolute, I don't even know that I am."

[@rafiaaziz592]

I never had such profound experience which he is talking about. Alan does this happen with all? Rupert has said most people have very subtle and ordinary experiences of awakening. Does the absence of such experience means the awakening experience is incomplete?

[@alanneachell9092]

For most of us it comes gently over apparent time and brings more and more peace. The experience of a sudden, complete shift is rare.

[@rafiaaziz592]

@@alanneachell9092 yes for what I experience is peace and a subtle state of joy. Even if the mind is noisy because of certain situation still there is background peace 😊

[@jesuisravi]

and what did he have to thank for this great awakening? A petty thief who made a bungled attempt at stealing his luggage. Strange world.

[@cobdun]

I've never fallen asleep on cocaine before...

[@sourabh369]

Alan Watts Alan Turing Alan Neachell 🙏...

[@alanneachell9092]

🤗😊🙏

[@badbuhdavic7088]

The quality of his voice is not genuine, too many phrases.

[@alanneachell9092]

Sorry you didn't like it.

[@garetcrossman6626]

With over 15,000 books, I've been forcing myself to give away hundreds. I have a copy of Wren-Lewis' "What shall we tell the children" from 1971 which I thought could go, but having read the first 10 or so pages (for the first time), I was struck by the clarity and quality of the prose. It was this stand-out quality that led me to look him up and come across this recording. Thanks!

[@garetcrossman6626]

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