Tips for Smoother Cinewhoop Flying 🎓

[@AlbertKimTV]

What are some of your tips and tricks for smoother flying?

[@shadowofchaos8932]

I see lots of suggestions for a pinch your controls for more stable flight. I myself like to fly with my thumbs. I grew up on Nintendo and playstation controllers, thumbs are more comfortable for me. Fly the way you feel more confident.

[@medrone7097]

@@shadowofchaos8932 There are great pilots who do both. After flying for over a year, I felt like I stopped progressing, so I transitioned from thumbs to pinch. It was a challenge for about a month but it paid off for me.

[@ChrisParayno]

Use a camera with stabilization, you have that one😉

[@moifpv]

@@medrone7097 do you do pinch for racing also?

[@billmcdonald4335]

Ever since I started flying my 2S, 100g ET100 superwhoop in my little apartment, I was trying to get it to fly like a cinewhoop - even before I discovered there was such a thing. I started with BF 3.2 or so, and the thing flew like a toy: a Chucky doll. Once I got accustomed to BetaFlight, one of the first things I did was to tame its throttle. It was primarily an act of self-preservation, initially. I thought that since the craft was limited in the vertical, all its extra power was unnecessary; all that's needed is enough to gently ascend. The main thing is to maintain a constant altitude, with any vertical movement being smooth and gentle. Over the years I have massaged the throttle curve to where the stick midpoint is at the craft's hover point, and there is maximum expo applied in BF and on the TX. When scaled appropriately, you get a craft that is very easy to fly. Here's what I did in BF 4.3.1: Fly in Angle Mode, with a low Strength setting [I use 20], and low tip angles [currently I'm running 12, 15, and 18 degrees]. Use very, very low RPY rates and lots of expo. Set Anti-gravity to Off. Set Thrust Linearization to Off. Set Throttle Boost to 0. Set the Throttle Limit to Off, Throttle MID to 0.50, Throttle Expo to 0. Do a hover to find the point on the linear curve, using the throttle readout on the OSD. Once that's established [in my case it was ~40%, so we'll plug that in], set the Throttle Limit in BF to SCALE, the Throttle Limit % to 50%, the Throttle MID to 0.8, and the Throttle Expo to 1.00. A few test flights allowed me to zone in the Throttle MID [I ended with 0.87 at 50% Throttle Limit] so that the 'sweet spot' in the middle of the throttle curve matched where I wanted my thumb to be, with the widest latitude. I set the throttle expo on my TX to 100% as well. I set my TPA to 0.01 and the TPA Breakpoint to 1001. With the throttle set so low, it makes very little difference, at least to the ET100. These settings make it a very tame platform that handles collisions with aplomb, and makes riding along walls something readily do-able. The numbers will vary, depending on the craft, and some will need fine-tuning. The idea is to find the full-power hover point and set that to mid-point, flatten the new mid-point out as much as possible, and scale the power above mid-point to where only the minimum needed for smooth ascent is used. This results in a smooth-flying platform that holds its altitude really well, and it gains altitude gently but with enough reserve to respond when needed; since the majority of the curve is below stick center, it descends stably and lands with precision. It also eliminates flyaways and other unwanted reactions when rubbing or bumping things. My ET100 still has the video feed of a potato, but it flies like a dream with that throttle profile. Give it a go. It should only take a few packs to dial in the sweet spot. It makes handling the little guys much easier - at least for an Angle Mode duffer like me. It might for you, too. Angle Mode Matters! Happy Flying!

[@trevorimpulsebuyguy6398]

I don't even like cinewhoops and I liked this video! You do really good educational video's man. Also, you never have to explain how you review stuff. We all hail the King of Review- Mr. Albert Kim!

[@GeezerGramps]

I for one appreciate the fact that your reviews are done on a stock factory tune. As you said this gives a better idea of how it will fly stock. This is especially helpful to new people getting into the hobby. Myself I’m not a good tuner and have watched video reviews, bought the whoop to find out it didn’t fly anything like the review. I tend to not trust those peoples reviews. There are a couple of KZbin channels I’ll check when looking for a new whoop & this is one of them. Thanks Albert!

[@AlbertKimTV]

Yeah, I hear that complaint all the time. When I dug into it some more, I figured out these other reviewers were taking stuff that was crap out of box, fixing it up and making it look amazing. There was a real famous incident a couple years ago where one reviewer used flight footage from a totally different drone all together. There's a lot of dirty stuff that goes on behind the scenes... it's scary out there...

[@kumardeepam]

I refer back to this even after years :-) still useful

[@AlbertKimTV]

It's great that you're still finding value in it!

[@davidspivey3582]

I have to say i love your flying in general, it doesn't matter the style of it bro

[@shadowofchaos8932]

Lots of people ask about what PIDs do the pros use. We ask, AK delivers!

[@groggyfroggyfpv6868]

Have a great day brother! Thanks for all the excellent content.

[@SkydiveSim]

Just tried your settings and works great! Thanks for the detailed video!

[@AlbertKimTV]

You're welcome!

[@quadwings66]

Hey. Super interested in your meteor 65 pusher! I’ve got a mobula 6 hd on a meteor frame, thinking of turning it into a pusher, like my 85xhd

[@AlbertKimTV]

Check out my Meteor65 Pusher video. The HD version is basically the same thing. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZoHHanmnotF4ecU

[@Reecefpv]

Nice tips I'm definitely gonna try em out. I had stopped flying it cause of poor flight characteristics.

[@JB-740]

Tried these settings on a Diatone Tina Whoop and it worked very well for smooth flying through gaps etc. Only thing i increased was the Yaw as i thought was a bit sluggish. Thanks for the post..

[@AlbertKimTV]

Yeah, I actually prefer a sluggish yaw axis as sudden movements on the yaw axis seem magnified after processing in RealSteadyGO.

[@Flyit37075]

You have helped me a so much. Thank you ! Tamed the Flywoo Venom for much smoother interior set up..

[@AlbertKimTV]

Glad I could help!

[@retrodudefpv]

One thing that many people still forget; Disable ADC filter in hardware tab of open tx transmitters, makes a significant difference for smoother flight 🙂🙂👀🙂

[@touron119]

👍👍 excellent video!! I'm new to cinematic and it's way different than being freestyle smooth....

[@annonomus6675]

thanks for the air mode tip, answered several problems,🙂

[@AlbertKimTV]

No problem 👍

[@jlarson42]

Very informative and helpful video. Thanks Albert 🤓

[@CopperStateAerialPhotography]

This might be a dumb question but, do all 3 drone have Angle mode, Horizon mode and Acro mode?

[@AlbertKimTV]

I only fly acro mode but you can always add those modes in Betaflight on any Betaflight drone.

[@MCsCreations]

Great video, Albert! Thanks a lot! 😊 Stay safe there! 🖖😊

[@seAnBuchanan]

I'd love a video on inverting the 65x hd! Thanks so much for doing what you do Albert!

[@quadwings66]

I completely agree on the d min off. I turn it off on a all my cine whoops. I feel it helps a lot on mid throttle oscillations. Air mode off absolutely ! The thing I think you didn’t mention when flying indoors and close to environment is getting sucked to a wall. So annoying, no choice but to disarm. Great video !

[@AlbertKimTV]

I covered the wall sucking problem in an older video... kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6fRdIlqoqt9h68

[@villadante]

Thank you, I will try to apply your tips and see how it goes. I would definitely enjoy seeing an updated video about indoor flying. I think there's many people whod like to invest in the realestate applications...

[@johnk8825]

Albert very good video with helpful setup changes for less experienced users. I have the feeling others will be asking for similar help on different types of quads, in the future.

[@KingTutLight1111]

Great infomation Albert, Keep up the good work.

[@AlbertKimTV]

Thanks for watching!

[@KhoPhi]

Another "tip" I wanna throw in is, use 5-blade propellers. I'm still testing the results, but I get smoother, more stable flight using a 5-blade than a 3-blade. Just something to consider as well. Great settings there. Learned something!

[@Wakefoilman]

Which 5 blades? I tried some 3" ones that made the quad shaky compared to the gemfam and HQ 3 blades I had been using.

[@trevorc6793]

Another great video Albert, I'm always learning from you. Thank you.

[@jak3361]

Thanks for the tips, I'm a newb and found it most helpful..

[@AlbertKimTV]

Glad it was helpful!

[@sicco6213]

Dude that video helped so much! It changed everything.. Thank you!

[@AlbertKimTV]

Glad it helped!

[@kumardeepam]

Thank you 🌞

[@AlbertKimTV]

Any time!

[@rtpman1953]

I loved this video, Albert. I seem to have really bad throttle control on cinewhoops so will be trying some of these settings.

[@GadgetLuv259]

Thanks very much for the info! I’ve been wanting to turn the meteor hd that I bought from you into a pusher ☺️

[@medrone7097]

Really enjoyed the tuning tips! I haven’t cinewhooped, but I just started acro with a regular whoop indoors and by default left Air mode on. I’ll have to try flying without it. Thanks AK 👍.

[@trajanfpv]

Very Useful, thanks Albert. May put some of these settings into my LR 4 inch to smooth out the video. May even put the profile on a switch in case I need to get aggressive based on terrain.

[@chrismillersrcfamily]

Tips always are helpful 👍🏼

[@StijnDeGrauwePhoto]

Thnx! Will try this out! Do you have any good pid settings for the beta95x v2?

[@AlbertKimTV]

Try out what I did for V3 but adjust the gains lower and check your motor temps.

[@sammydean]

Are you planning on doing a review of the HOMFPV Wingsuit S?! Would love to know how you think it compares to the beta95x v3!!

[@AlbertKimTV]

Yes, that review will be out soon.

[@dennisordiales2602]

Thanks for sharing your tips! Is turning airmode off in doing freestyle may help also in a smooth flight?

[@AlbertKimTV]

For freestyle, keep airmode on. You can't do any flips or rolls with airmode off.

[@jiltedfpv7661]

Albert, Old video but would this apply to the cinelog 35?

[@AlbertKimTV]

Applies to ANY FPV drone.

[@rgglenn150]

Hi Albert. In your opinion. which is a better cinewhoop. Beta95x v3 or the protek 25?

[@sicco6213]

Omg thanks so much for this ❤ do you fly angle mode? Whats your settings on this

[@AlbertKimTV]

I only fly acro mode.

[@sicco6213]

@@AlbertKimTV wow

[@garrettkensler451]

Great work man!

[@AlbertKimTV]

Appreciate it!

[@wakingdreamfpv]

Super helpful!

[@AlbertKimTV]

Great 👍

[@c_labb9247]

Thanks for the great video, is this a small whoop specific or do you think most of this will apply to say a GepRC cinerun, not to be too specific haha

[@AlbertKimTV]

The ideas are generally applicable to any drone really. The specific numbers you see are only for the tiny drone I showed in the video. If you just try to copy the numbers to another drone, it probably won't fly well. Don't focus on the numbers but the concepts.

[@roypettit1808]

Very helpful! Thanks for creating! :o)

[@MorningView]

Thank you very much sir.

[@AlbertKimTV]

Most welcome

[@dianlaksmanaanindita9576]

hi, can we produce a good cinematic footage with cinewhoop using angle mode, currently i using Reptile cloud 169 HD...thanks

[@AlbertKimTV]

I have tried to tweak the settings in Betaflight but without success. The self-leveling causing too much jerkiness in the footage for it to be used for anything but casual home video. Professionals will reject the footage out right.

[@dfouraksa.k6911]

Planning on getting a SMO 4k, but how does it compares to a naked gopro from your perspective? I've seen you've mostly use the gopro recently other than the smo 4k review video itself

[@AlbertKimTV]

The naked goPro has better quality but the SMO 4K is easier for inexperienced pilots. Many inexperienced pilots who have no clue what they are doing end up destroying the goPros. I think one guy I helped wrecked 10 goPros and then gave up and bought a SMO 4K.

[@dfouraksa.k6911]

@@AlbertKimTV right, im quite very new to the hobby and taking apart a gopro and not to mention some betafpv bec power spike problems I've heard wouldn't justify the risk for a slightly better video quality in my opinion Hopefully flowstate can be updated close to reelsteady as smo 4k also have metadata info

[@igormoura]

Hi Albert. I'm new in fpv Drones and I bought one cinebee 4k. Can you help me with what's better config to have some smooth fly to learn?

[@AlbertKimTV]

The settings here in this video are fine for learning as they will smooth out the stick movements. If you need more smoothing, then increase the numbers for expo.

[@igormoura]

@@AlbertKimTV Thanks a lot

[@Flyit37075]

Thank you for the help. So will these expo changes affect all flight modes " Horizon " or only Acro, Also I past the cinematic tune command lines from beta flight 4.2 into cli, but I could not figure out how to install it . Do I have to flash the board ? Kinda got scared on that step didn't want to mess it up. I have the Flywoo Venom hex ( 6 motor ) , should these changes work with a Hex or am I in unknown territory.

[@AlbertKimTV]

I'd consult the Betaflight wiki regarding rate changes in Horizon mode. I don't ever fly that mode (nor do I really recommend it) so I'm not sure how that whole mode works. github.com/betaflight/betaflight/wiki

[@iyusfpv]

Hi sir, you prefer fly with acro or air mode in this video?

[@AlbertKimTV]

I mainly fly in acro mode with air mode off most of the time (I have it on a switch)

[@iyusfpv]

thank u so much @@AlbertKimTV

[@kumardeepam]

Request you to please do a similar video about Protek35 keeping the beginners in mind so that as a beginner I find it easy to fly at a slow speed. I am new to fpv hobby and have got myself a Protek35, the first time I tried flying it I felt it was uncontrollable. :-( Please suggest settings that can help me be able to fly slow with more control. Thank you

[@AlbertKimTV]

I used the quad in the video as an example but the techniques can be applied to any other quad with Betaflight. The exact numbers might change a little but the process is the same.

[@kumardeepam]

@@AlbertKimTV Thank you so much! Will try these settings 😃

[@djarunnarharpur...7630]

Hello

[@EVEDRONE]

Like 🐈❤️😘

[@divingfalconfpv4602]

Hired Albert Kim to fly lol