Alder Lake GRUDGE MATCH! i7-12700K vs i9-12900K

Wendell checks out the Alder Lake i7! Is it love at first sight?
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[@pythgoreansassistant2789]

This is such a good review. I think this is why I like this dude. He knows what he's talking about & doesn't put up random graphs. Just plain and simple.

[@kylegushue]

Got my nephew the 12700k last week. Microcenter had it for 300$ this week!

[@benadkins7695]

I just made a drive to Micro-center for that price too! I’m sure your nephews gonna love it

[@kylegushue]

@@benadkins7695 that's great 👍. I called Newegg for a price match and they credited me $75, to get it to 325. I think we're all gonna be happy with this!!

[@robertlandaverde6825]

Saw that micro center had it for $299 and had Best Buy price match. At first they didn’t want to but they ended up doing it

[@benadkins7695]

@@robertlandaverde6825 Best Buy probably didn’t want to because it’s a killer deal, even the guy at Micro Center who sold it to me was like, “we’re selling this for how much?!?!”

[@kylegushue]

@@robertlandaverde6825 killer deal!

[@owlmostdead9492]

4:24 man I knew what was coming but it still got me. Could have timed this perfectly at 4:20 in the video though.

[@michaelthompson9798]

Some of those 4K results are a bit confusing with massive discrepancies going in favour and again the 12700k vs the 12900k …… the 4 extra E-cores of the 12900k seem to either be a massive bonus or hinderance 🤔 depending on the title …… maybe further investigation is required Wendell 😉👍

[@grazziotinpedro]

i have a 12700k and a friend of mine has a 12900k and we have the same discrepancy at 4k we cant figure it out why

[@Seconds84]

I’m concerned as I built a 12700k and plan on playing in 4K with my 3080 and down the line a 40 series card. Everyone was recommending this processor but it seems as it is falling massively short in 4K… odd

[@reviewforthetube6485]

His numbers are way off go check out the other 50 comparisons it's much much closer in gaming just like the i5 is pretty good also. I've not seen 1 person show gains like this something was very very wrong here lol.

[@TypicalDad1980]

Thanks for the simple and direct result right off the bat! Love it and subscribed because of it

[@mattfm101]

I have the 12600k up from the 6700k and I love it, the control over power usage seems way way better using the windows power settings.

[@BigJohnson911]

I cam from 6700K to 12900K. I love how Windows power management can go down to 4W idle. I could never achieve that on 6700K.

[@mattfm101]

@@BigJohnson911 I didn't realise you could also go that low with the 12900k (I can go to 2.5w but more around 3w). It's only just dawned on me how integral the windows power settings are for this generation. It feels so odd to be running an I5 and feeling like I have a beast of a machine now.

[@BigJohnson911]

@@mattfm101 12600K is a beast! Kills any CPU in its price range. I kinda regret buying the 12900K. considering how good the 12600K It was an impulse purchase. Are you on Windows 11 or 10? The power managent varies betweent them.

[@mattfm101]

@@BigJohnson911 I moved to 11 with some apprehension as I installed it on my laptop on a I5 8th gen and it seems to drain so much power, although I upgraded from 10 to 11 and maybe a fresh install will fix that. Anyway, yes, I am on 11 (fresh install) and when it comes to the desktop experience everything seems fine. I didn't think to compare the power management of the os's. I have heard at least when it comes to performance they are the same. The 12600k was a bit of an impulse buy for me too as the 6700k is fine for my gaming needs but I wanted some better io and the last two gens weren't worth the price increase just for that change.

[@mattiasnilsson3980]

Went from a 7700k to 12700k.

[@ArnFilmmaker]

I just redo my order from Amazon today. I got the i7 12700k instead of i9 12900k and with the RAM thanks for mentioning about future proof of DDR5. I enjoy your video.. thanks and more power.

[@wskinnyodden]

Hmmm, I wonder how this architecture will behave for Virtualization solutions. At the moment there really ain't any hypervisor (as far as I know) that is designed to handle this. So, basically it may be a smart idea to reserve the E cores for the Hypervisor and other mostly "background" tasks, though I'm not certain what impact such an approach would have on the VM's themselves. Would we even be interested in allocating any E cores to the VM's? Can you devise a testing scenario where you try to address these and other configuration and hardware resources allocation questions? An interesting one would be how the platform handles (in multi CPU socket configurations) RAM requests that need to be handled by the other CPU socket, though that is a question for later and not exactly relevant for this initial queries.

[@votefornormality]

Test beds used for this stuff tends to be built around the idea of removing as many background tasks as possible to not color the results. I think you may need some new testing scheme with eff. cores. Some real world background tasks that you can simulate that show the headroom available for background tasks. For instance some browsers reloading pages, Discord running, or outlook syncing e-mail. Maybe some video capture and streaming?

[@duckilythelovely3040]

I just overclocked the i7, and it's much closer now to the i9 :) much cheaper too!

[@vMaxHeadroom]

Happy 12700K user on a the Srtix-A D4 DDR4 motherboard. Great performance for the price and I was worried that Intel would go a bit overboard on pricing! Still 5900 + levels of performance, not difficult to cool and overclocks very well with the per core overclocking and adaptive voltage. It is hard to buy a bad CPU these days be it AMD or Intel...Hopefully this competition continues going forward and we will all be winners! Great channel, great content!

[@ensiel4738]

What Windows version are you using and are you noticing any latency or slowdowns due to the scheduler issue? I just got the 12700kf but still waiting on my motherboard and really interested and excited for this new platform!

[@Addeatt]

@@ensiel4738 Im running windows 11 and I 100% notice the latency compared to windows 10. Its very minimal but its there. Did you ever find a solution?

[@aul0s]

The 12700k has looked really interesting for chips out right now and it seems like it's been a bit ignored by most coverage. Everyone says the i5 is great for mainstream gaming and the i9 is fast but hot, which they are, but no one mentions how close the i7 gets you with lower TDP and price. I guess the awkward situation for with availability for pc building right now doesn't help the content get the hype and momentum it otherwise might for an interesting launch such as this. I'll admit as a skeptic, Alder Lake has been a pleasant surprise. The cost and intense scarcity of DDR5 stings though, and pairing any of these chips with DDR4 really seems to be shooting yourself in the foot for no reason considering the cost you pay for Z690 anyway. Maybe the difference isn't so large to everyone but I've personally had enough regrets about building with slower memory.

[@forthosewhodare7325]

Slower memory? I'm not sure what memory are you used to using. A good old Samsung B-die DDR4 bin memory with a 12 gen chip can do 5200mhz without breaking a sweat, and at very low CAS, something like CL-18-19-19. Maybe even lower, if you know what you're doing. With that speed and high frequency, I assure you it will run CIRCLES around ANY DDR5 currently available in the market right now!

[@Navhkrin]

@@forthosewhodare7325 You are not going to get remotely close to 5200 mhz cl18 unless you are very-very lucky. And even if you do, you can currently get DDR5 6400 MHZ and considering the other advantages of DDR5 such as 2 channel per dimm, multiple shorter bursts you still won't come anywhere near a good DDR5.

[@forthosewhodare7325]

@@Navhkrin Right, if you can find "Any" good DDR5 at the moment esp at 6400mhz. I don't know about that because I can do CL 11-16-16-28 4600MHZ (Stable) on my Rocket-lake with my Asus Apex motherboard all day.

[@DaSesh]

bro i always got i7 lol its the perfect number..

[@seasdiamond1926]

What’s going on with your Horizon Zero Dawn 12700K numbers?

[@technologyanimals]

Aren't the 4k scores significantly higher on the 12900K? I would not build a 12700K knowing that I'd leave that much performance on the table.

[@Karim-ik5ij]

100%... how did he leave that out?

[@scifisoldier81]

First question I had when watching this video. It is a significant difference on 4K

[@miltona891]

It’s because nobody plays games in 4K at this point. It’s either 1440 or 1080. Plus you’ll need to buy a 4K monitor which is like 1000 dollars. Not worth it

[@technologyanimals]

@@miltona891 believe me, I play in 4k. Some of us have massive TVs. Dozens of us.

[@miltona891]

@@technologyanimals well the difference is tv are only 60hz, that’s a huge difference in 144hz or a 240hz 4K monitor. There’s a reason ppl only buy 27inch monitors and. It massive bug tv to game kn

[@Dannicus117]

The 420 joke got me. Damn it.

[@camofelix]

Got the i7, just so I could turn off the e cores and enable avx-512. Have loved it so far. Great for an inexpensive compute platform when you have mixed work loads

[@jonahjameson272]

Question, ecores no good? They compete and sometimes are utilized when you want only the P-Cores?

[@camofelix]

@@jonahjameson272 I'm developing kernels for scientific compute targeting AVX-512 FP16, and alder lake is the only chip on the market which has support for it as of now (waiting for Sapphire Rapids Xeons). Unfortunately, that requires disabling the e-cores to do so, since they do not support AVX-512 at all. For general computing and gaming leaving the ecores on seems wise. Unless you know that you have an extremely specific workload that will see a *very* specific benefit, disabling: 4 of 10 cores on the 12600K 4 of 12 cores on the 12700K 8 of 16 cores on the 12900K is a questionable decision at best.

[@jonahjameson272]

@@camofelix Hmm I have a 10900k that can sell to a friend and upgrade to 12700k -- basically my reason is not so much for the performance boost but the extra storage I would gain from 1 or 2 extra nvme's since on 10th gen you can't have more than 1 nvme without sacrificing 2 sata slots which makes it kind of pointless. Basically I do video editing and is the jump noticeable you feel?

[@NBWDOUGHBOY]

Why does the performance scale so much higher on the 6900XT in Horizon and Dirt 5? Anybody got an explanation for that?

[@reviewforthetube6485]

Idk man that i9 had some massive gains in 4k somehow? Like how is there a 40fps difference in dirt5?

[@llothar68]

I went 12900k after thinking a long time but i guess it will have a better resale value in 4 years. And Android Development needs all the cores it gets (and 128GB RAM to run Android Studio + Emulator in a RAM Disk).

[@scotthayesproductions5715]

i7 vs i9 for Davinci REsolve and Adobe Premiere cutting 4K60 video? I game as well, but more interested in playback and processing performance for video editing projects

[@pringles3068]

i got the i7 12700k and a z690 pus wifi board at microcenter and the board was completey free best deal of the year spent should have been 700 for just the 2 got a whole new rig 900 bucks new case ram psu and all

[@Vahid.Dehkordi]

Thank you

[@soupsage]

FINALLY SOME ONE WHO ANSWERED THE GAMING WINNING DEBATE OF 4E CORES VS 8E CORES

[@ozzreynoso3825]

thanks man im going for the 1-7 im sure itll do enough for streaming

[@madhatter5475]

Got just a 12700k too.. too late? Maybe. But... Wow! A beast

[@vibonacci]

Z690 cost is justified: very high amount of PCI-e lanes, as well as first to market with DDR5 and PCI5 (yes I know, useless atm). That cost problem hopefully will resolve itself once a budget version of Z690 comes out with the high end features stripped off.

[@keith303]

How is 20 pcie lanes a very high amount?

[@ziski]

Got the i7 instead of i5. From i5-4690k (4c4t) to 3300x (4c8t) to 12700k. Im starting to see the limitation of 4c8t and i want something more future proof.

[@Marc.Google]

This is great 12th gen info. Thanks oh wise Janitor.

[@MrEviljackal]

great video buddy keep up good work buddy 😎

[@mrsandroks]

Congrats for the video. Got asus z690-m plus d4 189 dollars, is that bad? you told the best was get a 250 dollars motherboard, which one is that and what makes it better than mine?

[@__aceofspades]

12700k vs 12900k, who is the loser? AMD lol. At microcenter the 12700k is $299 and 12900k is $550, both significantly cheaper than the 5900x and 5950x, AND 12th gen beats them in gaming by a large margin, and Z690 is significantly better than x570. Intel hit a home run with 12th gen, performance kings while still being less expensive than AMD. If you need a cheaper board than a $190 Z690, B660 launches in 3 weeks at CES for probably $120.

[@kasimirdenhertog3516]

If you don't particularly require 12c/20t, you can disable the E-cores and run the 12700 @ 8c/16t. With only the P-cores, I can run lower voltage, lower LLC, the chip runs cooler and the cores have more cache available. It also eliminates the need to do any 'lassoing' (forcing to use P-cores instead of E-Cores) and avoids compatibility problems. If you don't want to completely disable the E-cores, there's also a neat trick in the BIOS of ASUS motherboards (perhaps others have it too): you can enable a function to park the E-cores when pressing Scroll-Lock on the keyboard.

[@petersmulders8058]

No the E cores are useful I would rather under clock the cores

[@DanielMartinswizzmaster]

I would love to see AlderLake and the p5800x. Feels like a match made in heaven.

[@HardWhereHero]

the 12900k is still about $300 on ebay, I bought one that blue screened like crazy duye to being over-overclocked. I sent it back and made an offer of $200 on a 12700k and they accepted it. The price per core between the 12900 and 12700 is huge and not really worth it....yet. The 10100, 11100, and 12100 are still an INSANE value!

[@usparktalk]

So is the Noctua D15 big enough to handle the new I7K at full load for an hour?

[@kasimirdenhertog3516]

Yes.

[@RF-INF]

Coming from 2500k to a 12600k the stuttering is gone and my 1% lows are amazing on CSGO and Vallorant, Intel really catched up with AMD this generation that makes me hyped to see what AMD will come up with next, this has been a great time to get a new CPU...

[@TravelWithCesarin]

That is a massive upgrade.

[@hoffybeefe]

Nice! I've just got mostly all of the parts ordered for my computer at work's upgrade. 2600K to 12700K (did my home PC as well but iw as on a 9700L at home). Work should now be sweet!

[@stocksyere]

That nostalgic meme, thank you for that :')

[@fredmcgovern302]

I got Best buy to price match micro center at 329.99. Kinda want to use the MSI Unify X (2 dimm) with it

[@eternalfire2234]

Mans doing Gods work over here!

[@M-28xD]

Does the DDR4 ram work in the Z690 motherboard? I really sick of my 9900k and want to upgrade to the 12700k or the 12900k but I'm not gonna pay 1000$ for 4 new ram sticks.

[@hussain-9523]

not all z690 motherboards are ddr5 you can buy a ddr4 one

[@aaardvaaark]

I think you've mischaracterised the difference between the i9 and i7: the i9 has 5mb more l3 cache, which most definitely will make a difference in games going forward. You can see a marked improvement in FPS between the two in some games (look at horizon zero dawn & dirt 5), and I'd say that's 90% due to the extra 5mb L3 cache. Having said that, the i7 is the far more sensible purchase.

[@TheEVEInspiration]

Games wil be optimized for the common case, that being i5...if it runs better on i7 and i9, that is just nice.

[@makyuri154]

What is the difference between the two in a workstation perspective. Planning on using blender and Unreal Engine 5 at the same time with maybe some background tasks like rendering videos in premiere/ae.

[@keith303]

12900k for you then. You just can't have enough physical cores with your mentioned workloads. Also don't underestimate the e-cores.

[@MultiJamesman]

You didn't mention the increased L3/L2 cache for i9. Were you not aware of that or do you not think it is important? Honest noob question from me.

[@saricubra2867]

From personal experience, it doesn't matter. By that logic, a Threadripper should be the best gaming chip because it has hundreds of MB for cache. Or a Broadwell i7-5775C with HBM memory (128MB). Cache only matters when there is an inherent flaw on your CPU that adds a lot of latency to access RAM, therefore, AMD chips with the infinity fabric, another scenario would be very slow RAM and cache helps there too. For Intel Core, since Intel uses a ring bus connection since Sandy Bridge (2nd gen core) and monolithic chips, the difference between an i7 and i9 is basically nothing if you game, you have 8 perfomance cores, that's what matters and extra threads or cores for future proof and singlethread (or IPC) perfomance. A similar core count Ryzen chip needs almost twice the L3 cache of an Intel Core chip to sustain the singlethread perfomance or achieve parity. Ryzen 7 5800X3D has a lot of cache because it's an offset for DDR4 RAM, but that doesn't change the fact that it has slower cores and less of them.

[@ingoos]

Just goes to show: vigorous competition quickly spurs rapid innovations which ultimately benefits everyone.

[@theglowcloud2215]

I'll be standing outside with my "Capitalism Is Great" sandwich board, ringing my bell for cOmPetItIoN!

[@Krenisphia]

Just look at times of war. Significant scientific and technological advances were made. So yeah, vigorous competition leads to innovation.

[@jamesfox2857]

its Winter Leave My Rock Alone , it took me All Summer to get this Rock Warm Enough to last the winter Do NOT Lift My Rock !

[@mikescott4008]

800W draw whilst gaming is insane.

[@j0rd346]

Weed 🤣🤣🤣🤣 you had me shitting myself

[@Ekalavya_]

I am planning to buy i7 12700k for Music production. Is it worth it to use for next 5 years? Or for futuristic standpoint should I prefer i9 12900k? I'm on a strict budget. So I'm confused whether i should spend more money on i9 or can I trust i7?

[@binojgeorge8079]

12700K imo is more than enough for Music. There are not many benchmarks related to MP. But i think the quad channel config of DDR5 will ultimately benefit Music. If you are on a tight budget. Buy 12700K + Single Channnel 16 GB DDR5 Ram (Ddr5 single is actually dual channel). Later you can populate the next slot.

[@PsychoStreak]

Rather curious about some of those test results. What's Dirt 5 doing that it can get such a massive boost with a Radeon + i9 ? Even with that, the power and cooling requirements keep the i9 as a pointless for 99% of the world chip, except as a budget workstation. And if I had one, I'd be working it as much as I could to squeeze all the value I could out of it, which means that cooling and power draw are totally an issue. The 12700K seems like a better option, but that Z690 price of admission is money I would put towards bigger better storage and (were they available for non thievery prices) a GPU. Cool vid though.

[@bconxept]

That's actually accurate, Dirt 5 is AMD sponsored and more suited to RDNA2 just like Borderlands 3 and the Assassin's Creed Games.

[@BBWahoo]

4:25 This guy knows. When he know, he knows.

[@CESAR_H_ARIAS]

Pcie5 when most drives don't get to use a pcie4 completely, Intel sales are kinda low for now until better priced mb gets to the market. I5/i7 are the processora to buy imo I'm with an almost 1 year PC 5800x Rx 6800 and I'm out the PC race until 2025 at minimum. My work PC is being updated to 12thgen i7. For working/rendering it makes the difference

[@TheEVEInspiration]

Indeed, I rather see MB makers provide 2 x 8 lane PCI-E, nothing needs a PCI-E 5.0 x 16 slot for the foreseeable future on this platform. 5, that is way more flexible and put whatever is left to NVMe SSD use or other features!

[@reviewforthetube6485]

I went i7 and I'm super happy I did I mean it beats out there flagship chip from last gen so why tf not? It also has better Temps then the i9 12900k so that's huge imo lol. Also it still does ddr5 if you want and everything else lol. Also there is no way these numbers in gaming is correct lol. They are much much closer then this. What I don't get is how yoy forget to cover Temps?

[@StenIsaksson]

What about gaming + streaming (Twitch)?

[@ExGavalonnj]

Microcenter has the 12700k for $300 damn

[@UnipixelMedia]

So... I should just wait a year for PCIe 5 and DDR5 to "mature" a bit.

[@ndowie5]

I’m stuck on buying 12600k or 12700k for gaming and streaming

[@Destector.]

is Noctua NH-D15 good enough to cool the i7 ? im building a new pc, and will get the this i7, and i was wondering if the Noctua NH-D15 is enough to cool it ? i dont think ill overclock it any time soon(but in the future i will probably do) and i dont want to mess around with water cooling options.

[@hoffybeefe]

Welp. I hope it is.. coz i'm about to install a U14S onto my 12700K :)

[@harisbektesevic9073]

So, how is Noctua doing it's job so far? I'm thinking of buying it and pairing it with 12700k

[@kasimirdenhertog3516]

Yes, it is.

[@sabishiihito]

Definite differences at 4K...

[@Liquidiceyy]

12700k is the go to for any real gamer. i9 is overkill and for editors

[@GroundGame.]

I still got my sweet, sweet kit of DDR4 (16x2) 3800 CL16 👌

[@ndowie5]

Can you do the same with the 12600k vs 12700k

[@NordicNomadv]

what about overclocking to the max? in theory the i9 should go higher, can you confirm?

[@keith303]

Confirmed.

[@remkoe3418]

I want to buy i9 12900k but im scared cuz everyone says its hot and it runs hot do u advice me to buy it ? Or i got for 12700 k , i have money but i dont know what to choose i want i9 but they say its hot 12900 k

[@hoihallo2904]

12700 has almost same performance for less money. If you don't do heavy workloads professionally, save the money. If you only play games, 12600k would do fine. Less heat, so save money on cooling too. Just think, do you REALLY need all that 12900k computing power? Most people don't😉

[@davidvictory9764]

​@@hoihallo2904is i9 worth 50 bucks more? I wanna game and do 4k video editing. idk how much better i9 would be for that

[@johnc8485]

The i7-12700K is 299.99 at microcenter :)

[@Sleepy.Time.]

$200 plus how ever much more the 12900 will run up your monthly power bill

[@tyraelhermosa]

5:40 but… some of those average frame rates are significantly higher on the i9 though, so…?

[@mza2001]

Yep its so flawed

[@kravenfoxbodies2479]

so thats more then a 700watt microwave from the wall ?

[@BorealSine]

There are games that can fit in that L3 cache and highly benefit from it, it also contributes to smoother frame-times. Its not only additional 4e cores, its also 5mb more cache which can be important for some people in certain e-sport games like pubg where difference is insanely big between i7 and i9, but its for minority, most don't need it, 20-25mb of cache is perfect right now to have very smooth frame time line graph.

[@ManxKeys]

I didn’t know Jack Black did tech vids

[@TheNitramlxl]

I believe the i9 also supports ECC memory.. just saying

[@blackcyborg009]

Question for the 12900k: 1) Would you need a 1200 watt PSU for it? & 2) Can a Noctua Chromax unit be sufficient for air cooling?

[@vergilchair9724]

Use power calculator? Answering to your 1st comment. No, not really. But bigger psu means more room for OC.

[@kevinidleman7048]

I don’t understand your explanation of your own results. You say there’s barely any difference and there is a very noticeable difference in performance.

[@ganzonomy]

I did exactly your recommendation. I7-12700k, 64gb ddr4-3600 cas 18, and the z690 prime micro ATX. The CPU has a Corsair h100i capellix. It peaks in the low 60s C, has a 4.7 all core sustained with no work on my part other than setting xmp, and can game for hours with an rtx 3070. I just wish there was a better micro ATX case than the obsidian 350D. Other than that, it's an absolute monster of a chipset and CPU.

[@quellcristfalconer9457]

Picked up an i7 from Micro Center for $377 after California taxes. No regrets 🤙🏾

[@kozmikhero6749]

4:20 bro you just had to edit it 5 seconds earlier and it would have been at 4:20 in the video XD

[@hopesbiggestfan]

The 4K benchmarks make no sense

[@Marc.Google]

They make sense to me.

[@carlscorner4820]

I think the only way to test correctly is same hardware, swap out the cpu and reformat. I hope that's what you do when comparing benchmarks. If you want a good rendering program to test the system, use pix4d. I have a threadripper 3990 that gets peged at 100% all 128 cores for up to one hour while rendering an image.

[@yaroslavchernyshov3725]

you say there is no difference in gaming performance yet your comparison images show insane difference in gaming performance. I have tested both cpus and it is true, in gaming there barely any difference. Something seriously wrong in your testing method if in Dirt 5 at 4k you get a 40% higher fps with 12900k.

[@Dannyy760]

Hey so at 4k you got similar performance with both the i7 and i9?

[@ChrispyNut]

4E cores AND 7MB of cache. can't forget that 7MB ;-)

[@TrustedInsaller]

12700k is $300(299) USD at Microcenter. and the i5 is $230

[@pietossing]

just sitting over here in 12600k land

[@jakesnake7728]

This feels almost too hot for KZbin.

[@FunKaYxxD1sCO]

12900k is $499 at microcenter near me.

[@twoheart77]

VR lots of background tasks being run I9 all the way.

[@julian-vanilla8379]

So i9 would make VR a whole lot better?

[@aureliandumitru8382]

I have a 5800X wich i give to my wife and i wanted to buy 5900X, but after i did the math, 12700k+Z690+DDR4 is 100 euros less expensive than 5900X+X570+DDR4. Not to mention you need to update X570 Bios for 5900X.

[@stuartlunsford7556]

Your rear fan is set to intake, I thought I was the only monster that ever does that.

[@p1st0ls44]

identical gaming performance thats why i got it.

[@mza2001]

Nope, no one plays horizom zero dawn and all these console port games. Its a flawed video

[@b2bb]

I'm not sure if it's my own personal bias for channels, but I feel like Level1 is the only channel that actually _feels_ like it doesn't shill for team red/blue or red/green in any sort of way. Wendell sells me on like every video he makes. lmao _engagement_

[@nipunsirinada2314]

The 12600 non k will probably not have E cores so only a 6c.

[@catsspat]

There are rumors about i5-12400 variants already, and that one has 6 P-cores and no E-cores. I think 12400 is the way more interesting since it's relatively cheap, and you simply can't run into E-core related problems (since it doesn't have any). I wonder if BIOS will enable AVX512 automatically on such CPUs.

[@markb7533]

If I were a content producer, the pulsing air horn would be my most used sound effect.

[@2023Red]

I am very confused on FPS rates. Since humans have 60 FPS maximum vision, why care about those three digit frame rates for those CPUs and GPUs?

[@kasimirdenhertog3516]

Fair point! Indeed visually there's no need for anything over 60 fps, but higher framerates do make things feel more responsive. This is true, since there are smaller 'gaps' between your input and the screen redraws. That's why competitive gamers prefer triple digit fps. Though to me, everything above 100 fps feels more or less the same.

[@onlywenilaugh6589]

The difference from i7 to i9 isn't as much now at about $150.

[@user_23165]

The question is not if 4 E-cores are worth $200 , but if 2 more P-cores are worth the extra $130 ... :-)

[@Magusslettewestberg]

which cpu would that be?

[@user_23165]

​@@Magusslettewestberg - 00:43 12600k -> 12700k

[@Nsatiro]

lol brooo!!! weed!

[@Mr11ESSE111]

R5 7600x zen4 will probably be faster in games then any Alderlake

[@jamesfox2857]

Exactly Wendel - The Current 12000 platform WILL be OUTDATED Before we Actually get PCIE Gen 5 Hardware GPU`s = 🤦🤦‍♂🤦‍♀

[@mattiasnilsson3980]

not sure my guess is that Intel will use it on there GPU line. But its just a guess

[@KarlRosner]

If this is what intel can come up with I'm wondering what's next for AMD.

[@duckilythelovely3040]

Um, why is the 12700k getting more fps lol gamer nexus shows it destroying the 12700k in many titles. Lol what’s the deal buddy.

[@mza2001]

Evening Level1Teks, This video is super flawed with your benchmarks and non factual opinions on between the i7 and i9. 5 takes. First, what are those 4K Benchmarks numbers? Second, Why specifically test console ports with horizon and old titles which the average user doesnt play? Third, If it is so scaling reasons then include the most played game with warzone which does everything? Fourth, the i9 has more cache which is great for gaming than just calling it a 'background things' processor... you do realise the average intel user knows the amount of cache going forwards for 'future proofing' will be excellent. Fifth, Include E-Sports titles which everyone knows it is extremely cpu/memory dependant and most relevant than 2018 whole scale games? 90%+ intel users specifically buy i9's for this reason alone and video editing work than the average amd user. Please take REAL Active trends benchmarks into equation than a biased viewpoint. There are huge differences than what you say.

[@agenericaccount3935]

Throw em in a shoebox together. They’ll mate and make a 12800.