Alec Baldwin Rust shooting aftermath footage released - BBC News

[@daniels1263]

Not only has the person checking the gun made someone lose a life but they also made someone take a life

[@fewik8567]

@U.S Grant it's a movie set, live ammunition shouldn't be present nor should firearms, and if your not trained attempting to spot a blank round vs a live round isnt blatantly obvious, there's a guy on set paid to sort these things out

[@waltuh2.3bviews3secondsago3]

That's a brilliant point. When messing around with bullets being negligent is so stupid.

[@davetdowell]

'the person checking the gun' is always the person who is holding the gun, any basic course in firearm handling would have taught that. So in this case the ammunition load of the gun was the responsibility of Mr Baldwin because he had posession of the gun. But of course the celebrity worshippers will blame anyone other than the actual person who bears responsibility in order to excuse the celebrity of responsibility for murder.

[@gustavoo3886]

youre deep man

[@imshaunnurse]

​@Fewik that's not Alecs job

[@AnimatedCardboard]

It wasn't a prop gun... It was a gun being used as a prop, armourer should be charged for negligence.

[@Marryjanesbud]

Your right. have you seen the armourer they had on set? It was just some 20 something year old girl. Tbh this looks like she was the cheapest option for the company to go with & this is the result. This is why only trained professionals should handle weapons. *Especially* when it comes to fire arm safety.

[@wjrasmussen666]

@@Marryjanesbud No, I haven't seen her. Why is this investigation taking so long.

[@Cornmolio]

Lol. You’re as sharp as a ball.

[@Francois_Dupont]

@@Marryjanesbud they had real bullet around the set and they even shot cans just before.

[@Cornmolio]

Real guns are used as props all the time. Secondly, the armorer wasn’t even there so how can she be responsible? She should’ve been there. Alec was the boss, he should’ve made sure she was there. Plus, Alec skipped the training session that might’ve prevented this whole tragedy.

[@jordanforbes2557]

The sad thing about this is that it was a totally avoidable death. If people were doing their jobs properly and all the checks were done this never would have happened.

[@Jay-og4yb]

Most deaths are completely avoidable my guy

[@HeatherRose2023]

100%

[@HeatherRose2023]

@@Jay-og4yb Not true.

[@georginasantich8191]

they don't care they useless and arrogant they all deserve jail

[@SiVisPacem_ParaBellum]

Basic gun safety would of been nice. Blame the stunt men/staff all you want but Alec pulled the trigger.

[@mynona2491]

The most "you only had one job" person ever

[@jerryjingjo]

She has

[@yyeezyy630]

It’s your responsibility when it’s in your hands. 110% Alec’s fault

[@blackbirdmn2151]

@@yyeezyy630 youre a clown bro

[@jonathangraham9345]

@@blackbirdmn2151 The "clown" is absolutely correct. Alec is 100% at fault and needs to be held accountable.

[@blackbirdmn2151]

@@jonathangraham9345 i found another one 🤡

[@jackcandy8450]

I’ve accidentally hurt somebody it was minor but needed stitch’s and the guilt I felt was unbearable. If Baldwin isn’t a sociopath than this will probably eat him up the rest of his life. So sorry for the cinematographer and her family. After the death of Brandon Lee for a similar incident I’d think filmmaking gun safety standards would have dramatically changed

[@lindamcdonaldcairns9874]

There are really strict rules around guns on set in this case they just were not implemented.

[@BR-we7fi]

Gun standard HAVE dramatically changed. Alec Baldwin just ran a negligent film set

[@adyingtribunal6034]

@@BR-we7fi he’s an actor not a set set manager dipshit

[@sarissanhunter7227]

He’s not a sociopath he’s something worse. Someone that doesn’t like guns, or know guns that is playing with guns.

[@krashd]

@@sarissanhunter7227 Nah, sociopaths are a million times worse than actors.

[@peterbeadle8062]

I can't imagine being a sane person carrying that with you through your life.. I pray that they all find healing.

[@FireCheeks]

Life and fate are never fair, things just happen out of thin air sometimes and there’s nothing Alec could’ve done sadly, but there are people at fault at least

[@kaceypersons3068]

Nobody alive can imagine being an innocent person being murdered by a reckless actor

[@allezzthepunk]

now imagine this, some people on the comment section thinks that Alec planned this murder

[@bmpk7473]

@@kaceypersons3068 He wasn't reckless as an actor, but a producer. You clearly have no understanding of this situation whatsoever and are just randomly commenting because it showed up in the algorithm. When the gun was fired, nothing was reckless about it. It was the process beforehand that involved the management of the guns, which puts the armorer directly as the reckless one, and the producers were involved on the money side of things, which is bad but still not "recklessly shooting a gun". Genuinely just brain dead facebook dumb fucks infesting the internet these days, go back to your little wall

[@Nightsu]

they dont care

[@moow950]

Some of the guns used on the set, were used with real bullets to pop bottles by the crew during breaks! Just unbelievable! A real bullet must have been left between the blanks. Definitely a major fault made by the armorer and the producers.

[@toYOder]

Boo yah

[@roachdoggjr45]

I thought prop guns can't chamber live rounds?

[@moow950]

@@roachdoggjr45 These we’re real functional guns, not prop/fake guns

[@toYOder]

Boo yah

[@prancer1803]

@@toYOder these were not prop guns. these were actual firearms

[@terenceflynn5125]

Someone explain why live ammunition was anywhere near a film set in the beginning?

[@imrank9282]

Cos it's America, guns everywhere

[@terenceflynn5125]

@@imrank9282 yeah, enough said. 🤣

[@SAINTxSZN]

Excluding security ?

[@terenceflynn5125]

@@SAINTxSZN yeah, I guess. There’s no need a security guards loaded weapon should get anywhere the actual set. It’s all mental anyway, mad Americans and their guns.

[@Toff-Gaming]

Conspiracy

[@noahtheeditor8650]

I worked on student films in college that had live weapons (but no real ammo). The number of times we looked at the gun and the blanks were almost redundant. We were shown a clean barrel and the blank. We were also told to stand clear of the barrel no matter what. It is just sad how, no matter the money, people will cut corners rather than make things safer.

[@key7817]

How can you see if a bullet is a blank?

[@zeked4200]

​@@key7817 Blanks are just shell casings filled with gun powder...they don't have a projectile or "bullet point" on the tip. For somebody with absolutely no expierience with weapons it could be confusing, but even with the most basic level of knowledge you'd be able to see the difference.

[@nimz8521]

@@key7817 The casing is crimped in. They're visually distinct from live rounds.

[@portman8909]

@@zeked4200 So just shake the bullet.

[@surfntrucks]

There is no reason in the world why a live weapon should be on a film set. Unfortunately this won't be the last time because people don't learn unless they lose a lot of money. This incident should have bankrupt the production and sent a warning to Hollywood but it did not. Again, adults are pretending so there is no reason in the world why a live weapon should be on set.

[@cadenceblackburn9205]

may she rest in peace

[@davidmoyes7010]

Rust in piece?

[@louissmith1393]

Do you mean in piss?

[@cadenceblackburn9205]

@@davidmoyes7010 i feel bad but u actually made me laugh 💀

[@coatedslushie1667]

@@davidmoyes7010 Jeez that was rusty...

[@KingK2205]

That set was rusty

[@raylyons]

"Footage released"... proceeds to show only about 10 seconds of actual footage. Thanks BBC.

[@BeatrizOliveira-wt6mu]

I feel so bad for the victim, may she rest in peace. But also, the blame can't really be on Alec. He's not the one who get's things ready to film, he's not the one who prepares everything. However he is the one who has to live with the fact that without knowing it and unintentionally, he accidentally killed someone. That's and awful sentence alone.

[@gaebril131]

Alec Baldwin, the actor, no. The armorer, whose job it is to prepare the guns and ammo, yes. Assuming it's true that the armorer is uncredentialized and unqualified for the job, then the people who hired the armorer are also at fault. Alec Baldwin, the producer, was responsible for hiring the allegedly unqualified armorer.

[@veritasverus1276]

yeah, part of his soul are now in the isolation cell 24/7

[@ACRus19]

Exactly, feel bad for the victim but it isnt Baldwins fault in any way shape or form.

[@Gsuneow]

He is responsible because he’s the producer, he should of been on top of thing, making sure people were doing their job.

[@ACRus19]

@@Gsuneow oh please, you probably just blaming Alec cus he's the celebrity that did something wrong cmoon, he's a producer but that doesn't mean he has to do everyones job, is like if you are serving a Coffee to a customer in your own Coffee Shop, but an employee put some sugar on the Coffee when the customer said he's alergic, and you as an owner ask the employee if he did what the cx requested, but then when the customer drinks it, he dies cus it had sugar, are you at fault? See how stupid that sounds. The armorer is the one who make sure the props are safe, they didnt do their job, and Baldwin was only doing his cus they were working in a scene, even the victim (rip) ordered Alec to raise and point the gun at her as part of the rehearsal. Not Baldwins fault, and should be free, but because he is rich, yes, has an ego and whatever, he's now targetted. Clown world.

[@peteallyn412]

I genuinely feel bad for Alec. Obviously there was no malice behind this terrible accident, and i’m sure it’s traumatizing for him to deal with.

[@FOOJFOOJIYAMA]

The guy's an A-hole all his life. he could use some humbling from time to time.

[@jimmygreenspan8832]

It sure seemed that way from that brief interview footage. Hopefully only the truly responsible party is held accountable.

[@tangykombucha5558]

I don’t

[@urchinsify]

@@tangykombucha5558 You think there's malice?

[@dwaynedibley997]

I think he could be a contract killer

[@139-b7j]

There are people really claiming a bigshot actor deliberately shot someone in front of others, jeopardising his career, and wasting his own money 🤦‍♀

[@Wanderer628]

Conspiracy theories don't rely on logic. As long as a shred of it makes some warped sense there will be people who will believe it. Then the internet magnifies those handful of peoples words.

[@amazingsupergirl7125]

No they aren’t. I imagine he’ll be tried for manslaughter…reckless and dangerous use of a weapon but unintentional and not premeditated. It depends on what the rules were for the gun handler and actors. Personally, I feel since they had a gun handler whose only job was to take care if the guns, that person is at fault. But, nobody thinks he wanted to shoot or kill her. Obviously.

[@High-Overlord-Snarffie-Pug]

no, they aren't investigating it as a murder, they're investigating it as manslaughter based on neglect on someone's or multiple people's part, 1 the gun had a live round 2 there was live rounds placed at the set that should never have been there 3 and a question of how he was handling the gun and if that was inline with the safety rules on set in the end some died in a situation where safety protocols were legally mandated to be in place and someone ignored those on top of that Alex B was listed as a producer so he would have been a "supervisor" on set when ever he was there, so even if absolutely nothing was done wrong by him personally the fact that someone else wasn't following the rules and he knew about it and didn't stop it is partly his fault in the end somebody will do some jail time for this, and whoever else is a producer along with Alex B will have a lawsuit by the family for wrongful death, that will most likely be settled out of court for big $

[@curiositycloset2359]

It is the perfect crime though, when you think about it. Perhaps he's been having an affair, and she was going to tell his wife. Or, trump did it.

[@t1n4444]

@@curiositycloset2359 Trump did it you say???!!! I'm intrigued to know how you reach that conclusion. Pray expatiate.

[@BreadCatMarcus]

My student thesis film in College used guns and we took it SERIOUSLY. We had an armourer and wouldn't let anyone else near them and made sure to check it before and after every scene. Plus, we had no live ammunition on set or anywhere nearby. This is so sad and shouldn't have happened.

[@NazriB]

Lies again? Crime Doesn't Pay

[@LesPaul2006]

I shot a short film with a couple of flint lock pistols and a rifle a while ago. There was zero ammo or gunpoder of any kind on set. I know blanks look better than After Effects muzzle flashes, but safety comes first.

[@AM-ry8i5]

that's what you get when you don't hire union workers

[@ex7229]

Lmao union workers would take 5 years to make any 30 min episode of a tv show.

[@kevinkey5270]

​@@LesPaul2006you do realize this has only happened literally only a few times in the history of movies. It is not a concern. Flying in an airplane is a thousand times more dangerous if you believe statistics.

[@raymiller1753]

I still don't understand why there were real weapons and live ammo in the first place.

[@emptyingmyballsinyomommymouth]

And that's why you're not employed in this business.

[@DailyShit.]

Real guns feel and look better. With old guns it‘s maybe cheaper to rent then make fake ones. Maybe the contactor already had those and that‘s why they took them. The ammo is the problem. The main problem and one and only problem.

[@DustyHoney]

@@DailyShit. 1.) the gun was a prop gun made to look like it was from the mid 1800s. It doesn’t get much older than that. 2.) the live ammunition was mixed in by a dumb lady they hired from the back of a Walmart

[@loycletcheriii8737]

This is what happens when you hire a young, unqualified armorer who had no business even owning a gun! Her statements on the police body cam shows her utter lack of care about the victims and solely worried about her employment. Also the video shows multiple guns laying on a cart with zero accountability. I don't give two shits if her father was an armorer. Hopefully she gets charged with a crime in this!

[@georgegeorge899]

Alec was the one who pulled the trigger... He is responsible !

[@eaaeeeea]

​@@georgegeorge899 Yes the armorer is at fault to some extent, but she wasn't responsible for the death. Baldwin failed in his responsibility to check the gun first, so the death is on him. Every single person on Earth should check any gun handed to them, or refuse to handle it. It's a very sad accident regardless...

[@ShakilShahadat]

@@eaaeeeea Checking the gun is armourer's responsibility, not the actor's responsibility. What else an armorer does? She had one job and she misarabally failed it. A prop gun shouldn't have any bullet. She's guilty af.

[@luciano12sa]

@@ShakilShahadat yeah you absolutely full of shit. Had not him pressed the trigger she would be alive. It's a disrespect to the victim to choose favorites! Almost everyone in that set was responsible at some degree.

[@bobbobbers7486]

@@ShakilShahadat the armorer was not even on set the day of the shooting and the crew decided to act haphazardly and use the weapon anyway.

[@Fabo100]

It’s just an absolutely horrendous accident. Anyone on that set will have to live with that for the rest of their life and the victim of the negligence…I mean tragic isn’t a strong enough word. So sad

[@user-ck3bo8wd4p]

I'm not the biggest fan of Alec (he has some fantastic roles here and there and a great voice, but as a person I'm not a huge fan), but you can tell it was not intentional on his part. He was the producer though and should have properly vetted his staff. Apparently there were live rounds on the premises too and they were firing live rounds out of it for fun beforehand. Utter incompetence on the armorer's part. That weapon should only have left its locker for use in a scene. So yeah, ultimately Alec holds some responsibility. The part of me that likes him doesn't want him to serve jailtime, and he probably won't. He will probably have to pay out a hefty settlement to the family and see his career irrevocably damaged though. In the Army we couldn't even take live rounds out of a live round area and weapons were always cleared by cadre before we could leave the firing line. We also had to pat down each other at the end of it all. Its really not that hard to check one weapon, a revolver, before and after a scene. Just pure negligence.

[@zsfekete5211]

"He was the producer though and should have properly vetted his staff" We do not know that to be honest. "producer" is a meaningless jobtitle. Having a big name actor who's in the movie as "producer" might draw in people, might make investors more comfortable, or it may just be that he gets a fix salary through that. (maybe as actor he gets X% of the movie's profits, but as producer he gets Y$ flat, hedging against a loss) I have no feelings about him, though I am somewhat familiar with his work, he never stood out for me (no offense). There are 2 people who bear responsibility: the armorer (100%, unquestionably responsible, and if the rumours are true of what she allowed on set, she should 100% go to jail for criminal negligence ("conduct where a person ignores an obvious risk or disregards the life and safety of those around him", having the crew play around shooting live rounds from prop guns 100% falls into this imo)) and the person who hired/vetted the armorer (I am not sure this person could be criminally liable though). The thing is, we don't have the contracts, we don't know whose job was what, who was responsible for hiring/vetting etc, and if Baldwin's "producer" role was anything actual or just a "paper role".

[@melodieshimon]

Watch his hour long police interview right after it happened I think you’ll change your opinion

[@Tyler11821]

I agree generally with that, except he lied after the fact. If he didn't make himself out to be the victim in the end to try to save his own ass, and actually made it about the one he unintentionally shot, I'd have a lot more sympathy. Guns don't fire themselves.

[@spelare1]

He doesnt sound entirely honest but it does seem he did not mean to shoot her with a real round but im guessing they might proove he intentionally fired the gun even if it may have been muscle memory and he dont remember it because of the shook

[@SomeGamer1111]

Idk where they’re hiring people. Maybe they should hire veterans with working knowledge of weapons to be the armorer. Like maybe, idk an armorer, from the military.

[@hummingbird11]

There is no amount of money that can heal what Halyna Hutchins family is going through.

[@kp4588]

It’s all good. It was an accident and Rust will be a killer movie.

[@Fat12219]

True , but a Brand new BMW ! 😂

[@MetalDeathGoat1]

It's more than just her family that is going through things...

[@Waynelolz]

Lol the dbl space u def copied hrr name

[@henryatherton]

@@kp4588wow you’re a prick aren’t you??

[@missyjohnson6944]

Such a horrific tragedy all the way around.

[@Thawhid]

Hope it never ever happens again. Innocent lives gone at work. Terrible

[@embreis2257]

they take an awful lot of time to press charges. many months later and the investigation/prosecution still doesn't know who put the live ammunition in the 'prop' gun? that person needs to be charged too.

[@CaptainMir]

Stop it please its the fault of the person who holds the gun let alone draws it

[@embreis2257]

@@CaptainMir maybe in a country with ludicrous laws. in a country with sane laws both the shooter and the one responsible on set for handling the 'prop' guns and certainly the one who actually loaded that gun would be under investigation and eventually charged

[@frankzappaspussy7362]

@@CaptainMir you are looking at it upside down.. if someone tonight cuts your brake cables - and tomorrow you get into your car without checking your breaks and then crash into someone - you are not guilty of a crime.. similarly - an actor cannot be held responsible for a situation which a number of other people above him have been put in charge of.. so Baldwin is NOT liable for handling the gun without checking it... but as the producer - he definitely is cos he set this whole thing in motion which ended in this way..

[@rockdaddy2168]

Alec had opportunity to put a live round in there too.

[@whoishim2998]

@@frankzappaspussy7362 yeah him being the producer sucks in this situation but working on sets the producers usually have a second person running things especially since he was acting

[@alexandersillan8139]

It's a horrible thing to happen for all parties. But I feel for her family and I feel for him. What an absolutely horrible thing to happen

[@StevieObieYT]

I don't see how a $140K fine is gonna change anything. It's not a deterrent, if someone has already been shot and killed. It's too late to give them a warning now! The damage is already done... Smh

[@xaiano794]

Armourer should be in jail, to have real bullets even on set should be criminal. To be facing a mere fine for $150k is an insult. Why isn't anyone asking why the armourer is getting away with this? Why they aren't being charged?

[@Saqux]

Because armourer didnt give alec the gun, alec wasnt even supposed to have it. Alec is 100% in the fault here

[@noelrossbridge2514]

Because the armourer didn't shoot anyone, Baldwin did. It's morons like you that know less than nothing about firearms that "accidentally" kill people.

[@xaiano794]

@@Saqux your telling me its fine to have real bullets loaded into guns used as props on set? That you don't think accidents could happen? I hope you don't own a gun, for your family's sake, you clearly have no idea how to own one safely.

[@davedave3520]

And why do they still use REAL GUNS in movies? Dumb idiots

[@Saqux]

@@xaiano794 that gun wasnt supposed to have a real bullet, and the armourer was supposed to check the gun before giving it to alec, and armourer had no idea that alec even had the gun at that point. ofcourse its not fine, but this is 100% fault of Alec, he isnt supposed to point the gun at anyone (especially since they werent even filming) even if he thinks its empty, its just basic gun safety and common sense.

[@plr95]

wait a second is the armorer who handled the gun/ammunition going to just walk around like she didnt put a live round in his gun. where is the young lady who put the bullet in his gun and why is she not being put in the news⁉️

[@susanreiss1112]

She is not responsible for the live round in the gun. Others were using the gun for target practice earlier and she wasn't in the church when Alec Baldwin shot the gun. The only person who is supposed to hand the gun to the actor was the Armorer and she was not there. There also was no scene that called for a gun to be fired. That would be why she was not in the church.

[@lvw7668]

@Simulation K Per news reports: “According to the affidavit, Baldwin was handed one of three prop guns by assistant director David Halls that were set up in a cart by an armorer for the movie "Rust." Anyone could have tampered with it between the armorer setting it up and the AD handing it to Alec.

[@abmong]

@@susanreiss1112 She is, she allowed it to happen even if she didn't put the round in herself.

[@nicholascathcart]

@@lvw7668 so IF she wasn't there, then this coulda been avoided had she been there

[@t1n4444]

@Simulation K Hmm ... but can you prove this assertion of yours? If you weren't there, on set, at the time, then you would have a job proving anything.

[@rblauson]

Look whatever you think of Alec Baldwin it WASNT his fault. Period. End of story.

[@ebhole]

facts

[@ronmka8931]

Never point a gun at someone wtf are you on about

[@rblauson]

@@ronmka8931 it’s a movie they have to point guns. But it shouldn’t be a real gun or a loaded gun !

[@ronmka8931]

@@rblauson sub 90 IQ moment. He pointed a gun at someone (who wasnt even part of the film) and pulled the trigger. Do you need me to dumb it down for you?

[@ChristineCorbett-ib1oi]

I think he's a pig but if he was the ultimate authority re safety, it WAS his fault. Period. End of story.

[@Cortanis001]

Holy.... I live here in NM and I'm surprised they released any footage until the end of this investigation.

[@seraaron]

This is tragic. I've only just heard about this. But it's also weirdly ironic, because the plot of the movie they were making was about Alec Baldwin's character rescuing a kid who had been sentenced to hang for murder *after an accidental shooting* ... wild!

[@Qotroz]

Not really wild at all.

[@garretthorsch8143]

Alek straight up killed somebody and didn’t care about anything except whether he would get charged or not. This wasn’t a tragic accident

[@carissaexplainsitall8481]

@@garretthorsch8143 I think he felt terrible. People are too hard on him. It was an accident

[@fromthefire4176]

Garrett Horsch how do you know what he was thinking/feeling? Especially when someone told him he might go to jail for it. In all likelihood he felt just like any of us would, horrible for the accident and woman that got hurt and scared that someone will blame him when he literally didn’t do anything wrong.

[@Qotroz]

@@fromthefire4176 Alec Baldwin literally did everything wrong. So you are obviously an uneducated and cognitively impaired moron for believing otherwise.

[@PlayBatty]

What happened to prop guns? They’re literally built differently so they can’t chamber a cartridge with an actual bullet in it. You can literally do it as a simple modification to the chamber of most handguns so they only feed blanks. How is this possible

[@tatskamaster]

They're unable to fire proper blanks, rendering them much less realistic than real guns with blanks. A real gun is always better as a practical effect. However, it comes without saying that there should be security making sure that no-one who enters the set has live ammunition on them, and THE ACTOR, or anyone manipulating the firearm, should be briefed to know by heart that they should check that a weapon is safe before using it. This isn't rocket science lol..

[@PlayBatty]

@@tatskamaster When you put it like that it sounds like it was just a matter of time before there was an accident. I was raised in a gun store and was completely under the impression that Hollywood had standards for firearms props to prevent this

[@tatskamaster]

@@PlayBatty I can't speak on how this is normally handled in hollywood, but apparently Alec was the producer and cowriter. Him and his people likely vetted the staff, and he has publicly been quite anti-gun, so he wouldn't be the best at hiring a good armorer.. Also, apparently the armorer wasn't even on set when this incident happened, and the guns had been used to fire live ammo during breaks of filming.. There are a lot of people in the umbrella of partial responsibility for the lack of safety on this set, but it's also pretty obvious under the circumstances that someone should have taught Alec how to check the gun, AND ALEC SHOULD HAVE CHECKED THE GUN. All in all, everything was wrong in this trainwreck of a set and bad things happened, all of which could have been avoided with very basic procedures that should be common knowledge in present day USA.

[@MrVisde]

Not exactly a blockbuster film. Most likely being put together with a tight budget. Whoever they hired as an armorer must’ve been cheap and bad at their job. Could’ve been avoided with proper safety

[@yetibeardson1168]

@@PlayBatty Dude this isn't even the first time this has happened on a film set. Look up Brandon Lee.

[@jupiterone2045]

That footage of Alec being interviewed looks like a future episode of JCS

[@jansean2497]

Just to be clear: An actor does not have the legal or professional responsibility to have any working knowledge of weapons handling, marksmanship, or gun safety and maintenance. Their job is to perform credibly with a prop gun. It isn’t your responsibility to check a prop gun if you are an actor - your job (again) is to take the prop gun from the assistant director, (who is the set manager), or the prop master, and rehearse and perform your acting part with it. The First A.D.’s union job is to clear the gun from the amorist when it’s checked into the safe on set, and clear check it again before handing it to the actor. Before those two checks, the armorist is responsible for being in possession of the prop gun, cleaning and maintaining it as well as safety checking that it is empty of blanks and personally delivering it to the safe cart on set and signing off with the First A.D. Alec Baldwin had every right and even a responsibility to rely on the paid professionals and managers to deliver a safe prop gun to him to perform with. If you don’t agree with this industry wide standard, maybe lobby to get some laws passed to ban film crews from turning real guns into prop guns, but the N.R.A would put out a contract on you for it.

[@jansean2497]

@Adeline Pratt LOL It must be good or you wouldn’t be so triggered.🤣

[@matthewcummings9024]

Here's a much better idea. Learn some basic firearms safety rules including how to check and clear them. It takes just minutes and saves lives daily. There is absolutely no way I would handle a potentially live firearm without checking it first myself. No ifs or buts or "industry standards." The anti gun people have a lot to learn.

[@josephstratti52]

Well all that didn’t work,suppose they just don’t use real guns that cannot fire real munitions.

[@jonathantan2469]

Funny thing you mentioned the N.R.A., because the first rule of gun safety which they developed... is to... 'treat each firearm handed to you as loaded'. Until shown to you that it is not, or you check it yourself. Now for an actor, regulations might prohibit them from personally checking weapons (for good reason as not all actors are familiar with weapons), but the armourer should show the actor that it is unloaded, or cold with dummy rounds inside, or loaded with blank rounds inside. Some set armourers with experience & knowledge on gun safety will do this in their protocols on set, but it is not standard. Maybe the film industry needs to incorporate the NRA's first rule of gun safety. Besides, Alec Baldwin is the also the producer on this show, so some culpability might be on him in that scope.

[@matthewcummings9024]

​@@josephstratti52 If someone handed me a gun which looked real, but they told me it was a fake/inert prop gun, I would still have to check it first before pointing it at anyone. Ultimately, it all comes back to very basic firearms safety checks.

[@abduljabar8445]

Poor Alec he had to endure this tragic accident for the rest of his life. Thanks to someone's incompetence failing to do his/her job a life was lost.

[@AndrewVallows]

He's a murderer.

[@XenoCrimson-uv8uz]

@@AndrewVallowsbecause he can't see the future and know the weapon was loaded with a real rounds?

[@buttkissery2k]

Definitely Alecs fault. How stupid could he be?

[@killermario8458]

​@@buttkissery2kdefinitely not as stupid as you, seriously though how is he supposed to know?

[@PocketAznRoxr]

Alec pulled the trigger, not the armorer

[@ryandunphy60]

May Halyna rest in peace 😢😢😢🙏🙏🙏

[@invisiblerevolution]

How is it his fault... he's not in charge of the set props. *NOT GUILTY*

[@alexm566]

he's a producer, how is he not responsible?

[@lilpeanutish]

One might argue that you should *always* check your weapon when you receive it from someone else, and definitely before pointing it at anyone. That's basic gun safety 101. And he might very well still be found guilty of manslaughter, especially if he was found to be negligent by not checking it himself.

[@Cornmolio]

The person he paid to make sure everyone is safe was not even there, so he shouldn’t have been handling guns without her. Plus he skipped the training session. It’s extreme negligence on his part in so many ways. It takes ten seconds to check that gun. And the gun doesn’t fire without the trigger being pulled. That’s a lie.

[@alexm566]

@@Cornmolio this revolver can fire using the hammer alone, many youtubers demoed it, but Alec is still responsible tho for ignoring bssic gun safety rules.

[@madking1485]

Hes one of the people in charge of the movie and he's the one that fired the gun so it makes me think that if its a safety problem then its his fault as some one in charge or its his fault as the one that pulled the trigger of a real gun wile not following gun safety basics.

[@dennis8309]

@1:04 I believe this was captioned incorrectly, and you can see him shaking his head while saying, "Don't tell me what to do"...twice

[@joeyblogsy]

Hmm I can’t tell… I thought he was saying ‘don’t tell me’ but now I’m struggling to discern between the two

[@dennis8309]

​@@joeyblogsy- You can clearly hear the Deputy suggesting he not associate with anyone, and Alec says don't tell me what to do, twice. It's Alec talking over the deputy like he often does to people...

[@High-Overlord-Snarffie-Pug]

I believe Baldwin had no idea there was a live round in the gun, but I don't believe the didn't pull the trigger, but I don't necessarily believe he's lying because the shock of the whole thing could've messed with his memory

[@amazingsupergirl7125]

He had to have pulled the trigger, right? Guns don’t just fire for no reason.

[@High-Overlord-Snarffie-Pug]

@@amazingsupergirl7125 unless the firing pin is magical and can force itself forward with quite a bit of force. But there is one outside chance that he pulled the hammer back just short of halfway. At the halfway point it would catch and be in the safety position but just short of that it might have enough power to set the bullet off. I think with that kind of revolver there isn't a floating firing pin and instead has a solid mounted pin on the hammer itself. But I'm not totally sure, I own a gun like that but not the exact same. Mine is a Beretta made Colt 45 single action.

[@nickthurn6449]

He talks about cocking the gun as he drew it. If the trigger was depressed the hammer would have sprung back and discharged the gun. There was a video by a gun expert about the particular type of gun involved - apparently "fanning" the gun was a way to fire rapidly. Whatever Baldwin's hands did or didn't do his job was to act and someone else's job was to ensure all weapons were safe so he could safely use them.

[@OmaeWaMoShindeiRYU]

the footage shows him practicing poor trigger discipline, he's got his finger on the trigger at 0:26, still though there shouldn't have been live rounds on set and he should have checked for live rounds too

[@JackieWelles]

@@OmaeWaMoShindeiRYU But he is not a prop manager… It’s like if actor do a stunt should he check every piece of safety gear whenever it’s safe or not? It’s not his job.

[@cowerdnerddespacito9518]

The dude violated every single rule of firearm safety Always keep firearms pointed in a safe direction ❌ Treat all guns as if they were loaded ❌ Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot❌ Always be sure of your target and what’s beyond it ❌ If he had just known the damn rules instead of treating a gun like a toy, and hadn’t been so anti gunner, that lady would still be alive

[@virginiabraden6849]

He is a grown man, or is he?

[@undercrackers56]

The Producer is ultimately accountable for all the staff, but surely it is the armourer (Hannah Gutierrez Reed) who shoulders the blame. That person should control all weaponry and ammunition and should quarantine weapons and (dummy) ammunition used in the set. Am I wrong?

[@johnphantom]

The armourer should get manslaughter charges and the producers should shoulder the cost.

[@F3PIZZA]

You are not wrong. Live ammo is rarely sed on set, and after this probably never again. If it’s true that the armourer let people plink with live rounds between shots than she should be charged with manslaughter.

[@tatskamaster]

The person holding the gun is responsible to check that it's safe.. Literally just check the chamber and the magazine. Sure, the armorer may have been incompetent, but the involuntary manslaughter is 100% on Alec Baldwin. Anyone who argues otherwise has clearly never held a firearm in their life..

[@Outland9000]

You are correct.

[@justayoutuber1906]

There were issue on the set...people walked off the set days before due to safety concerns. A tragic lesson on protocol.

[@mikey3672]

This is why we learn in the military never to point the gun at anyone. Even if it is a dummy or a blank rounds.

[@filou89]

Well,.... you arn't shooting movies in the military. So those rules don't apply here..... There are specific rules for movie sets for a reason.

[@scapingby]

not even the enemy?

[@hugheszie]

It's not his fault.

[@LabRat6619]

If he wasn't famous this would have been an incredibly different outcome.

[@joeyblogsy]

He’s now going to prison

[@eddiecash9417]

From what I can see here on this released footage of Alec Baldwin performing his cross draw @ 0:27 is that he has in fact got his *finger on the trigger, *inside the trigger guard of a live firing revolver "Prop gun", *pointing it in the general direction of people behind the camera. And from reports he had *relied on the word of the assistant director David Halls that the revolver was "Cold". Now anyone with any knowledge of how the revolver used (colt single action) works would know that by holding the trigger down and pulling back the hammer to it's full cocked position and then releasing the hammer with any round in the cylinder that aligned with the hammer/breach/barrel, would result in the firing pin hitting the primer 100%. Alec said that he did not pull the trigger and only pulled back the hammer and on releasing the hammer the gun went off, unless there were some modification/defect to this revolver the chances of that occurring are slim. There would be very little resistance felt by holding down the trigger unknowingly while gripping the revolver whilst drawing it from the holster and for someone with little knowledge on how the mechanics of this revolver work, he may well have not even been aware that if he had the trigger held down during the cross draw and pulled back the hammer to full cock he may have been expecting it to come to a rest there (at full cock) when he let go of the hammer. In my view, anyone handling any live firing gun of any description, should be familiarised with exactly how that gun operates and spend an amount of time on the range with a professional being trained properly, *firearms safety rules should apply at all times to everyone, every time a gun is handed on it should be checked safe, no matter who has inspected it previously, that's how I was taught. I don't understand how or why there were any live rounds on site at any time during the making of this movie, there surely was no call for live rounds, unless they or it had gotten mixed up with the blank or dummy rounds purchased for filming and all should have been checked upon receipt. But having said that, there was no reason to have any rounds of any type in the revolver during this rehearsal anyhow. I did read somewhere that there was speculation that these Prop guns had been used in the area of the set for plinking (target practice) tin cans and for this they would have needed live rounds, if that is true. Why was the armorer (Hannah Gutierrez-Reed) not present in the church at the time of the rehearsal ? If it was because of covid rules, then this rehearsal should have never taken place with a live firing revolver "Prop gun", until such a time where something could be worked out for her to be there for hand off and safety checks. Any non firing dummy revolver would have been adequate for rehearsal purposes and should have been used, the live firing revolver "Prop gun" should only have been brought on set when filming took place with the correct protocols in place. Over all I think there is blame all round with those in the chain of handling of the revolver and charges need to be made, it is totally irresponsible for anyone taking or giving possession of a potentially deadly weapon without firstly making sure that that weapon is safe and then should only be handed over to someone in the chain who will take responsibility for that weapon and has the relative handling training to that weapons correct use and safety. This is such a tragic, preventable thing to have happened, RIP Halyna Hutchins and my condolences to your family..... Lets hope the film industry can learn from this..... It's not worth a life.

[@richard8242]

The Industry had learned this lesson and very strict protocol's had already been established, I mean very strict. On set before i could hand you a gun, I would have to show you the gun was unloaded, the barrel was empty etc, then you would take it from me and have to do the process all over again in front of me, that is just one of many steps. The process was put together by a special group including the Hollywood people ( how things work on a set) armorers' , FBI, Lawyers and probably a couple of more Lawyers. There is no such thing as yelling "cold gun" and all is good to go. However what is law in California and what is law in Arizona is a question?

[@davetdowell]

> And from reports he had *relied on the word of the assistant director David Halls that the revolver was "Cold". That's not a valid legal defence. The only person responsible for any consequences of mishandling a firearm is the person in possession of it at the time. "My mate told me it was OK" doesn't excuse you from murder.

[@dbc1dc]

I didn't pull the trigger. That's because your finger was on the trigger Alec, you didn't have to. If you pull the hammer, and your finger is on the trigger already, the hammer drops. I stand behind Alec, because you sure as hell don't want to be in front of him.

[@thebenosrises]

Well, it was supposed to be a prop gun, but someone gave him a real gun.

[@MJ-dq8ik]

A horrible tragedy that should have never happened.The gun armorer is at fault.

[@AramK]

Hate him or like him it was not his fault. Whoever was handling a gun is 100% liable for this. It's a gun master responsibility to handle all firearms on film set not actors job.

[@AussieTVMusic]

Maybe actors should be certified if they handle firearms. Then they'd be the last safeguard in the chain. It would take a few seconds to check the firearm whether it's fake or not.

[@AlexGonzalez-ye9pc]

Actors go through a safety course before handling firearms on movie sets. Especially with breaking bad. All actors were put through a safety course by the police. In this case it is fully on the gun master or fire arm person. I forget the name. Actors aren’t expected to check the guns and really shouldn’t as it could affect the dummy rounds. The gun master checks all guns before going on set then the set manager does a final check before being handed to the actor.

[@ModernDayRenaissanceMan]

Opinions about Baldwin aside, it was NOT HIS JOB to check that gun. It was handed to him CLEARED. I don't want to "hear the rules of gun handling." I know. I've fired many guns in my life. He is an actor. He only acts like he knows guns. He shouldn't be charged. The people on that set who handled that gun before him should be in jail. PERIOD. He is just as much a victim too. They MADE HIM SHOOT SOMEONE. He didn't know. I feel for him having to see that firsthand.

[@soundofguns2564]

You don’t want to hear “the rules of gun handling” because they negate your entire emotionally filled argument for his innocence. Gun safety is everyone’s responsibility

[@jamm8284]

An absolute tragic loss my condolences to the family. BBC YOU DONT HELP, pathetuc reporting, "the chaotic scenes that awaited them" it was as relaxed as an accidemtal shooting could be no one was running around crazy, causing anymore concern or any other "chaotic" behaviour. Dont jazz up your report for your needs, there families impacted and you twist sh*t like saying it was chaotic, its a first responder, first aid, when time is essential so they ran the 20 yards to the scene.

[@wesscat]

And instead you opt to downplay the impact of this incident to the family of the victim.

[@jamm8284]

@@wesscat the opposite actually. Im pointing out the exageration that makes it sound worse. If someome has died who you care of, you dont need the media exaggerating what happened so it sounda even worse, thats not what a family wants to here, im sure if there was any "chaotic" scenes, hopefully it was from the people around her trying to help, but chaos to me doesnt imply helpful and supportive its more unorganised and well chaotic, im sure most people there were as calm as you can be especially to help calm down the victim and so someone could give some first aid, but most of all is to relax the victim/patient and to not cause further chaos and panic. So yes ill stick by what i said, that exaggerating the scene can cause more distress for the families.

[@jonathanlandau-litewski7405]

Did the fatal accident during the filming of the movie The Crow teach Hollywood nothing?!

[@Inyourhideyhole]

How CGI comes into place

[@IBIGBEATzZIIHD]

This happened almost 20 years after the accident that killed Bruce Lee's son. Yes, Hollywood learned. Yes, movie sets are safe.

[@rentisme]

I love how they never thought to maybe not use a real gun

[@lucywilliams3438]

What'sapp me 👆👆👆

[@sirosagaming8228]

Prop guns are hard to resell when they are done with them.

[@tannyocean9984]

Prop guns are actually more expensive than real guns, as they are made by prop artists, and reselling like the person commented above is also another reason

[@sirosagaming8228]

@@tannyocean9984 if I recall, that was why the Russian stockpile scene in lord of war was chock full of actual AK-47s.

[@theblakex]

Hollywood doesn't think

[@Francois_Dupont]

why not talk about the incompetent woman that acted as the weapon master on set, that had REAL bullet hanging around.

[@Cornmolio]

Because she wasn’t even there when it happened

[@jimcourt9164]

Hannah Gutierrez-Reed

[@jimcourt9164]

We all know why. Females , blacks and the Gs can do no wrong in BBC WORLD

[@Francois_Dupont]

@@Cornmolio if somebody is responsible for something and that thing Phoks-up in a royal way, it is still that person responsibility. if i lend you a car and it blows up, it is still my fault even thought i wasnt there.

[@Cornmolio]

@@Francois_Dupont You’re trying to say that it was the gun’s fault? Why should I be surprised, gun control people have been trying to blame the gun for years. I guess I should be afraid one of my guns will jump up and kill me. So far, they have all been behaving.

[@GetUnrealistic]

@1:15 "He said he didn't pull the trigger and he didn't know who put a live round in the weapon he fired." WTF does that even mean?

[@christinalynn8143]

Exactly, my perception of wonder. Still doesn't explain much, beyond realizing that a woman is dead and her family is left to grieve. A tragedy.

[@acthompson9983]

It means like most Americans he is allowed to play with live ammunition under the 2nd Amendment for stupids.

[@Th3Mavr1ck]

0:26 FINGER ON THE TRIGGER

[@rajgill7576]

Actors aren't paid to be gun experts lol. There's multiple people on payroll to blame for this than the talent

[@JoeR203]

You have to wonder who the live round was intended for if it was going to be fired when they were filming.

[@frosgailt]

Target was probably intended, she was about to try to shed light on all of them

[@sanjuansteve]

What are the odds of a live round accidentally getting into a gun on a set? And what are the odds that no one checked it? And what are the odds that the gun would be fired at someone? And what are the odds the actor would also claim the gun went off without even pulling the trigger?

[@MintyFreshTurds]

It's an extremely nauseating amount of incompetence or foul play.

[@oyuyuy]

Americans be like: 'If she just had a gun of her own to defend herself with, this never would've happened'

[@RS-jb1lf]

The fault lies squarely with the armourer. It is a terrible outcome for the poor lady who died as a result. RIP

[@CramcrumBrewbringer]

Alec is also 100% at fault for not following proper gun safety.

[@W00KER]

@@CramcrumBrewbringer "also" 100%

[@CramcrumBrewbringer]

@@W00KER News flash, multiple people can be at fault.

[@W00KER]

@@CramcrumBrewbringer Yeah, no kidding. My comment was pointing out the contradiction in saying someone is "also" 100% responsible. If they're 100% responsible then they would be the only one responsible.

[@timbelcijan9858]

@@CramcrumBrewbringer You're wrong and he's absolutely correct, peace.

[@leviblackwood3258]

It's almost like his choice to refuse handling and safety classes bit him in the ass.

[@adamsharp9604]

He was treating it like a prop gun, which he believed it to be. If he knew it was a loaded gun, he would have handled it with care.

[@FrostbiteDigital]

@@adamsharp9604 Irrelevant. Most prop guns are either airsoft (which can cause harm), real firearms (for the purposes of using blanks) or rubber for when the actors need to point them at each other. It doesn't matter if the gun was real or fake, treat every firearm as if it was real and do not point it at anything you do not intend to destroy. Number 1 rule in firearms training. Otherwise you end up doing what Baldwin did because he refused to take up firearms training

[@thom2185]

Its amazing how fast Alec went into self preservation mode .

[@thom2185]

@@alkdjfhgks1919 I think I'd be too devastated to think to care about myself dildo brain .

[@truthseeker8483]

Amazing he didn't blame Trump....😀

[@olegdepapa]

just about everyone when questioned by police

[@thom2185]

@@olegdepapa blah blah blah .

[@joeyblogsy]

Alec’s a self entitled insecure douche

[@lostcrow]

If it was anyone else they would in jail. PERIOD!

[@Badger90]

Alec Baldwin talking to the cop 10 min after killing the director of his movie, “don’t tell me what to do”

[@joeyblogsy]

He’s a douche and deserves prison time

[@3114bsad]

Yes I'm sure that a major actor, on a set he was producing and starring in, intentionally shot one of his own staff, while filming and dozens of witnesses, 🙄 come on people clearly it's an accident, the staff incharge of safety need to be brought up on negligence charges

[@2secondslater]

Baldwin is a producer on the movie, ultimately, he is responsible for overall safety, he is responsible for the conduct of everyone. Clearly, there were corners cut and he did not conduct any type of firearm safety of his own after being handed a weapon. Negligent homicide on his part at a minimum

[@lucywilliams3438]

What'sapp me 👆👆👆

[@jan_2022]

Bringing live ammo to film shooting location is just incredibly irresponsible and idiotic! Also it has been widely documented that type of single action Colt revolver will not fire without pulling trigger although the trigger is very light when hammer is cocked

[@Thor.Jorgensen]

Any revolver can go off if you pull the hammer back and it doesn't fully cock, meaning the hammer doesn't lock back. When the unlocked hammer is released, that makes the hammer spring back, striking the cartridge. There is no safety on a 19th century revolver, meaning the only way you can keep a revolver safe is by #1 not pointing it at anyone. And #2 not putting a cartridge in the cylinder where the hammer is aligned.

[@sethrich5998]

@@Thor.Jorgensen That is incredibly incorrect. That is precisely what the half cock position is, which this particular model of revolver also has. If you fail to fully cock the hammer, it will be caught by the half cock position. If you release the hammer before the half cock position, it won’t have enough energy to set off the primer. The only way you can fire a round by releasing the hammer is if you also have the trigger depressed.

[@Thor.Jorgensen]

​@@sethrich5998 When you pull back the hammer, you will hear two clicks. Unless you don't. I'll explain that later. One-click for half-cock, and another click when it's fully cooked and ready to fire. If you release the hammer before it reaches half-cock it will slam back against the percussion cap or cartridge. Half-cock was not used for safety in older times, simply because it wasn't. More about that later. Half-cock was used since flintlock muskets to load the weapon. And you say it won't have enough energy to set off the primer? Do you want to try it out? Play a little Russian roulette game like that if you're confident enough in your claim. Unless you have a death wish, you shouldn't do that. Heck, even bumping the back of the hammer with your hand, while the hammer is resting on the primer is enough to force to discharge the primer. And then there's also the glaring exception of many revolvers that completely got rid of the half-cock mechanism since it had little purpose, considering it was loaded via cartridge and not loaded with cap and ball where you had to ram the ball in the cylinder with a lever mounted at the bottom of the barrel, so many revolvers simply didn't have it. Furthermore, there's a reason why people don't trust half cock.There's a reason why six-shooters were usually only loaded with 5 shots. Even single-action revolver owners did this. Because they didn't want to risk the half-cock failing and hammering the cartridge into their thigh through the holster, going into their femoral artery, causing them to bleed to death with no possibility of saving them. This has happened way too many times. The smart one adapted and only loaded 5.

[@davedave3520]

Using REAL GUNS in movies is just incredibly irresponsible and idiotic

[@Thor.Jorgensen]

@@davedave3520 Bringing real guns anywhere near a movie set is irresponsible.

[@pixels2564]

Baldwin knew the gun was loaded... I will not be letting him get away with this.

[@BritBelle89]

I don’t think Alec Baldwin’s did anything wrong honestly. This is a terrible tragedy. This is on the props department.

[@ronmka8931]

And on baldwin for not taking safety seriously

[@majorpwner241]

He's a producer. You might be able to pass that logic off on an actor, but Baldwin had responsibility for the entire production, including the armorer who wasn't present, and for himself handling a gun without said armorer present.

[@reedpeterson719]

I'm not a revolver/handgun guy I grew up with long guns, I do know that it takes about 5lbs of trigger pull for most SSA handgunsguns to go off, so if you can push a doorbell button squeezing a trigger is cinch, a child could've done it. The Single Action Army (SAA) pistol only releases the hammer if fully cocked and the trigger pulled. The notion of "I don't know how, it just went off" makes no sense to me.

[@MintyFreshTurds]

Thank you for not being a bot, I haven't seen a Rust shooting video with this many Alec simps yet lol, it's unbelievable.

[@oldgamerchick]

💔 🙏❤ for her family

[@georgehennen]

The way he is talking is not of a rational human who feels bad.

[@toiletsponge]

Will they release the film?

[@HasbullasBurner]

probably will finish making the film then shelf it and put it down as a tax ride off... They most likely would make their money back purely due to the story and controversy around the project but I don't see them wanting to deal with explaining themselves to the press on the reason they wished to release it. Not gonna be another Crow situation

[@IFBPreachers]

That transcript at 1:06 is wrong. He says, "Don't tell me what to do."

[@kuyajed]

i thought i was the only one

[@zacswicord4496]

It’s like the crow all over again

[@kevinJ6665]

Who ever was in charge of the guns should be held accountable 100% and should never be allowed to work on another film. I say it everyday people are dumb and idk how half these people have the jobs they have. Clearly GROSS NEGLIGENCE.

[@gjugrde640]

Very unfortunate sad

[@jurgo_01]

Everybody who handles a firearm is to be held responsible. Period.

[@pavelKrupski]

"When I Was Just A Baby, My Mama Told Me. Son, Always Be A Good Boy; Don't Ever Play With Guns." (c) A tragic mistake that was possible to avoid. Damned... it was EASY to avoid. If you know nothing about guns in general and this gun in particular, why the hell you are taking it and pointing to other people? What the hell you was thinking? There are have been dozens of similar incidents on sets all over the world for the past 50 years. It's not unique and well known problem... Every time I think about it, it drives me crazy.

[@mikeoglen6848]

Yet another tragic victim of the cult of the the gun.

[@sn3akydna314]

Maybe you shouldn’t comment anymore

[@mikeoglen6848]

@@sn3akydna314 Maybe you shouldn't Sn3? I have the Right to Free Speech where I come from...

[@chimpzu2507]

Cringe cringe cringe

[@chimpzu2507]

Don’t reproduce

[@calebwilson653]

“Didn’t pull the trigger”

[@Texas_Takeover]

why are guns compatible with real bullets even allowed in a movie set????????????? the inside of those guns should be empty, it should not be able to fire a real bullet... how was this still a thing in 2021...

[@dlvr659]

Always check if the gun is loaded and don’t point it at others.

[@kentknightofcaelin4537]

Not really possible if that's literally a part of your job.

[@dlvr659]

@@kentknightofcaelin4537 Proper firearm usage is definitely in the realm of possibilities.

[@4ndr0m3d4n]

This is not at all how I imagined it. I was under the impression that the producers wanted to introduce action into a scene where the script didn't originally call for it. In any case, insufficient safety led to live rounds being used for some reason.

[@Zatracenec]

It is really a tragedy. Not a greatest fan of Alec Baldwin, but it would be the most complicated plot to kill someone, if it was intentional on his part. It's gonna stay with him forever, Halyna Hutchins' family will be recovering from this forever, and just because weapon props guys fucked up. Very sad.

[@theawesomekid221]

Just like Brandon Lee

[@tticusFinch]

Agree. If it was a complete accident on his part his he still shoulders some blame (manslaughter) but the armorer will probably (hopefully) receive the greater sentence as it was his responsibility and most likely his mistake. I'm no fan of Alec Baldwin but he should still receive proper justice and not total blame.

[@FLuXGriZzly]

@@tticusFinch This is some degen logic not gonna lie. "he still shoulders some blame". Tell me, in this situation, what could he have done different? It wasn't negligence on his part... it's like having a drunk driver crash into you and then saying that the sober driver shoulders blame. If he shoulders some blame, enlighten us, what could he have done different? Not act out the scene?

[@tticusFinch]

@@FLuXGriZzly perhaps the misunderstanding from my understanding. As far as I know,(involuntary) manslaughter is when someone is killed accidentally. Wouldn't he be charged for that and for not checking the weapon prior to firing it?

[@riatorex8722]

@@tticusFinch Not exactly his job to do that, though. It's the armourer's job

[@dumitriman]

Would she have wanted him to go to prison? That is the question

[@MrRazorblade999]

Why would she?

[@dumitriman]

Exactly my point. Then he's free to go

[@MrRazorblade999]

@dumitriman Unfortunately she is not the one who is deciding.

[@dumitriman]

@@MrRazorblade999 very unfortunate. Because this whole thing is about her or maybe it's not?

[@stormthrush37]

$140K is the maximum possible fine for major safety violations on set??? That's a rounding error at best for even smaller movie companies.

[@shameon_us]

That money goes to the city anyway. They'll settle a different amount with the victim.

[@HasbullasBurner]

you must not know how much real film budgets are... not marvel budgets. 140k fine is massive... most fines (meal penalties, overtime union work, etc.) stick between 10-30k

[@JustJefferson]

Shame that Branden Lee died in this manner and we are still having this problem. Horrible for all involved. I especially feel for the victims Husband and child. 😞

[@kp4588]

Baldwin would have loved to shot Brandon Lee in one of his movies.

[@TakeOneGoodLookAtYourself]

Instead of taking accountability for not checking his gun, he denied pulling the trigger

[@MintyFreshTurds]

💯. He took the AD's word for it and couldn't be bothered to go find the armorer to check who wasn't with them in the church.

[@MyHandsForWar]

It's baldwins total fault. Gun safety starts and ends with the person holding the weapon. He should be in prison for murder.

[@wilsudi]

”I didn’t pull the trigger. And I don’t know who put a live round in the weapon that I fired.” What?? Didn’t you just say that you didn’t pull the trigger??

[@liverpoolfcx7]

You’re taking an out of out of context quote and putting it further out of context

[@SCARFACE_805]

It wasn't Alec's fault, it's the person who put live rounds in a real gun and placed it down ready to be used in the scene.

[@capybara9802]

If you take a real gun that was being used for target practice prior and don’t check to see if it was empty it is 100% your fault if you end up shooting someone.

[@lilyabram8949]

@@capybara9802 It wasn’t his job to check the gun. There shouldn’t have been a real bullet in the first place

[@capybara9802]

@@lilyabram8949 it’s no one’s job to check a gun. The armorer will when they give it out and collect it, but everything that happens in between goes down to personal responsibility. If you are holding a real gun all that safety is on you.

[@lilyabram8949]

@@capybara9802 this was a FILM SET, not real life. An actor isn’t going to be the one doing safety checks

[@capybara9802]

@@lilyabram8949 first off there is no way he didn’t know the gun was being used with live ammo on set, guns are LOUD. But either way it doesn’t matter. This isn’t something where if your an actor you are exempt, and any experienced actor has to go through gun safety classes where they harp on issues exactly like this. It’s like when you decide to drive on a public road you have to follow rules or someone might die. It’s the same way when you pick up a gun, even when you think it’s empty. Instances where people kill someone with a gun they thought was empty is nothing new, it happens a lot and no one normally gets a pass. If he does get one here it’s certainly because his status, if you did it even as an actor you would already be sentenced and in jail right now.

[@singlespeedsoulja8415]

Guns don't kill people. Alec does.

[@frankfly1368]

He doesn’t even seem remotely upset about killing someone

[@humblez6812]

He was in shock, he took a break from acting for months after this

[@johnniewalker3134]

Honestly the amourer is the one at fault here this is her specificity/JOB and she absolutely failed at her job spectacularly. Anyone not seeing it that way doesnt check there car a potential lethal weapon every day when they are out of site of it.

[@WillHayes44]

Really the armourer, requested to put proper rounds into the weapons to be used to shoot glass bottles by the crew. Not the guy taking the gunjust assuming anything is alright.

[@Divineretribution7777]

Lol gullible much

[@willbill7250]

Oh wow.... Someone must have switched out the bullet casing because the casing found was made by a company that doesn't make live ammo. They were target shooting at lunch and forgot to switch out the ammo.

[@WillHayes44]

@Gray Hand Well said, or written.

[@davidrand8669]

Learn firearm safety. Always check your weapon. The only excuse is negligence by the one holding the firearm and that's no excuse at all

[@jonathantan2469]

This is a bit tricky for the film industry, because many actors & actresses have little to no knowledge of weapons besides pointing it at the target. I've read several articles & columns written by experienced set armourers that they will personally show each actor/actress that the guns they are handed are either fake, real but unloaded, real and loaded with dummy bullets, or real & loaded with blanks. But apparently this is not the uniform protocol in the film industry. And then you have inexperienced armourers like in this incident, who got in because of who her dad was, and irresponsible producers (Baldwin was also one of the producers).

[@jimcourt9164]

Not a single mention of the person actually at fault ….Hannah Gutierrez-Reed

[@pikaso6586]

Only in the US

[@solexhn]

Are there going to be any reshoots?

[@WreckerALeX]

I heard they finished the film

[@Leo-mu8kn]

Poor Alec has gone through enough!

[@vitalino1981]

We all know that it's armorer's fault. Maybe even intended! Let's hope detectives will do their job and bring justice

[@abmong]

Whoever brought live rounds onto set needs to go to jail. Baldwin isn't at fault IMO, he's just an actor, not a safety officer. In future (shocked there isn't one already) there should be a laws in place that no one should be standing in the line of fire, fake gun or not. It's not like this is the first time someone's been shot on set. Tragic avoidable accident, gross safety mismanagement. It's the safety team that needs to be prosecuted.

[@amazingsupergirl7125]

It’ll be interesting to find out whose fingerprints are on the bullet (s)

[@oyuyuy]

You can blame the armorer all you want but the truth is that if guns are involved someone will end up dead sooner or later. Human error is inevitable, it's a simple matter of probability.