Alex Gibney discusses his HBO movie about Theranos Founder Elizabeth Holmes

[@pillettadoinswartsh4974]

Noble???? 1. She told her parents when she was a pre-teen, that her life goal was to be a billionaire. 2. She came from a family (lineage) that was upper-echelon in wealth 3. She got her first $6mil in investments, from her rich family and friends 4. She altered her VOICE to sound more like a..............man? 5. She hid from everyone, her romantic relationship with Balwani, her chief operating officer 6. She lured top military men (no women at all) to be on her board, NONE of which had any medical/biotech experience 7. She fired anyone who didn't do exactly what she said 8. She hasn't apologized to anyone for her causing them to lose their investments, OR to the patients she lied to, and put their health at risk, for her personal profit. She isn't "noble" at all. She's a sociopath.

[@uzbabo]

Plus, these rich oldfarts will pay any money to be in a company of young white girls. Yes, I said white little girls.

[@harrietthespy2119]

Amen.

[@mrs.b.5864]

Great list….every point correct.

[@ellafacebooktruecrimecases3644]

👏 💯

[@harrietthespy2119]

Add one to this sadly accurate list: When her veteran (and loyal!) chemist Ian died by suicide following months of work-related distress, she couldn’t be bothered to call his widow back.😔

[@cheechalker8430]

IMO she wasn’t “lying for a noble cause” She was lying for fame, adulation and wealth.

[@lss74]

To reach her ambition to be a billionaire..... (which she had from age 9)!

[@ultradeepbase]

Elizabeth Holmes didn’t reinvent the wheel she reinvented a square wheel that didn’t work but she told investors it was a round wheel.

[@randyjohnson9772]

All her board members are CURRUPTIon politrictions and war war TERRORIST of the ZIOMAFIA SATANISTS OLIGARCHY

[@harrietthespy2119]

@DnB and Psy Production 😵‍💫😵‍💫😂😂

[@thewkovacs316]

"and she's brilliant" other than the fact that she was able to run the con for over a decade, could memorize medical terms and was able to fool a lot of powerful people who had no background in medicine or medical devices, what is the evidence that she is actually brilliant? what she claimed she wanted to do was build a medical tricorder as seen on star trek but she wanted to do it long before any of the tech or medical advances were even possible

[@kasiawagner3853]

Brilliant at the art of con 👏 👌

[@crashburn3292]

I got my degree in graphic design, so I thought I'd develop a way to make brain surgery faster and safer.

[@emmap4409]

...and affordable 😆

[@fallen_angel1429]

Nuh doesnt work that way You have to drop out first Lmao

[@marioarias9942]

You need an investor? 😅

[@seanwebb605]

Crashburn 32 I can picture that.

[@sarabrittlegill9587]

You’re over-qualified

[@inittowinit7475]

Wow...LITERALLY NO ONE AGREES WITH YOU THAT SHE MEANT WELL WHEN SHE WAS JUST FINE WITH THE IDEA OF MURDERING PEOPLE WITH HER FAULTY MACHINES FOR FAME.

[@crabmannyjoe2]

He says if you brought Elizabeth into a private room and asked if the device was working, she would say no. But I think the ex-employees who brought up their concerns to Elizabeth herself would might otherwise. Whether she believed the lie to herself is only known to her.

[@PungiFungi]

This is why I will not watch this movie. I already see how skewered this will be.

[@slugcult1973]

0:54 Today, he welcomes an Academy Award winner AND Oscar winning filmmaker. Okay, who's going to be the one to break the news to Mr. Serwer that the Academy Award and the Oscar are same thing?

[@miriamchaya4070]

How come no one talks about the fact that her father was a Vice President at Enron !!!! Hello 👋 ?? Apple ? Tree ? Not so far ..

[@pedrorivera8255]

"sociopathic narcissists" sumps it up very well

[@FrankGutowski-ls8jt]

CEOs always take credit for success, and shift blame for failure. Excellent interview! Great hearing an accomplished storyteller discuss his craft.

[@AMBER1BRANZ2]

Jennifer Lawrence was talked about to play Elizabeth, wouldn't that be great!

[@clayformations1638]

I think there needs to be investigations into the media and how they are complicit in the promotion if fraud. After all Holms would not have risen to those heights without them. Also the arrogant narcissistic attitude of the media as a whole in their insistent notion that they never lie or distort facts which is absurd.

[@PungiFungi]

If only they were as tough on Holmes as they were with Trump... she might’ve been exposed early on. But no, she knew very well she can get a free pass by feeding on their desperate narrative of a young successful female in a field traditionally dominated by men. Note that her rise was during the Obama administration and it appears the media haven’t learn from this mistake.

[@PungiFungi]

Two years later...and she STILL would not admit to any fault or guilt. So much for her admitting that her nonsensical device would not work if you take her behind close doors.

[@kabirdas2786]

I don’t know Yahoo Finance is trying to paint her in a positive light…. This is the second video like this that they have done

[@harrietthespy2119]

I think they’re trying to do their job as responsible journalists: paint the whole picture and let others respond with as much accurate information as they can provide us.

[@johnkearney2513]

Alex Gibney is the go to guy for in depth and riveting documentaries. I look forward to his next project.

[@eagleeye2300]

GIVE US A BREAK. SHE GAMBLED WITH PEOPLE'S MEDICAL CONDITIONS WHILE MAKING BANK AND BEING TREATED LIKE A ROCKSTAR. YOU'RE WELCOME.

[@dabneyoffermein595]

agree, she was horrible. it's too bad she only got 11 years

[@melaniel7121]

Wearing the black like Steve Jobs and altering her voice to sound like a man is despicable and screams arrogance.

[@ultradeepbase]

Theranos should have been named Theranus because if you invested in them they bent you over their boardroom table and tore you a knew one!

[@ShinkuGouki]

"It is rumored that the boyfriend does not get HBO" 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@wilmchiro]

Terrific interview.

[@brandinginpajamas]

I enjoyed the documentary, looking forward to the movie In a few days plus the sentencing in September.

[@paulbutler1133]

Dabney is a chump. Dabney can you please tell me what made Holmes brilliant? How many times have you called her brilliant without citing one instance of brilliance. I know how we can avoid these charlatans in the future. Make clowns like Dabney give examples of brilliance before they call someone brilliant. If you are a journalist and you publish text calling someone brilliant without several examples of brilliance-- you get fined $25,000.00 for each instance. Something has to be done. I’m still getting over people calling Ken Lay brilliant when he could barely speak English..

[@adhardino9781]

Very entertaining and interesting talk of two kind and clear guys, thx

[@3catmom844]

Interesting that he did a film about Elizabeth's father in the Enron debacle. Wonder how she and her father compare?

[@PungiFungi]

More like she and Jeff Skilling. Both are designers of ditches, not diggers of ditches. And both want to "change the world". The bitch obviously learned well from Enron.

[@modeo92]

Her father was hired very late at Enron as a vice president so he really didn't play much of a role there.

[@edgehodl4832]

just another apologist for holmes, makes me puke......

[@mulemule]

Moderator: "What [is it] about her that resonates *so much* with us?" Gibney: "Something-something, fraud-fascination, something-something, noble-package ..." Reality: "The Media--alongside, dirty, moldering Establishment gazillionaires--were extra thirsty for a cute, non-threatening, tech ghoul who ran in similarly elite social circles but p**d sitting down."

[@James_Bowie]

She peed sitting down but she crapped standing up, via her mouth.

[@EK-gr9gd]

The difference between Edison or Nobel and Holmes is that the first one knew that the physics or chemistry was there to achieve their goal. Even if they didn't achieve their goal (in Nobel's case), their work would have been of value for the engineer and chemists had to start again at step one. Holmes knew nothing about their field of work.

[@thewkovacs316]

edison was great at stealing others ideas and tech and pretending they were his

[@kayak0000]

Watching this after the verdict.

[@21silvermoon]

She will get a slap on the wrist in trial and maybe 2 years.

[@denimcreations]

Why did she not take a deal? She thinks she can con the jury. All the prosecutors have to do is paint her as a Trump lover and the jury will convict LOL.

[@Foxie635]

THis journalist is the real deal. Thank goodness there are still people like him.

[@billsteinfeld559]

Send her to prison!

[@ecalose6785]

Watching again.

[@stutzbearcat5624]

Sah-weet 70s synthesizer on the intro music!

[@Dwightstjohn-fo8ki]

His first expose was on Enron, where Holmes FATHER resided!!! And now Holmes. What's he got??l The LIST??

[@dabneyoffermein595]

Can anyone tell me when this movie will officially be out?

[@ramonathon7112]

When he and I got together . She suddenly phones 5 years later to say she wanted to sue him even tho she was married with two children . Her name was now escapes me.

[@jontolar6838]

Jesus Christ, only took 4 minutes before they were talking about Trump.

[@asagk]

Interesting that no one seems to want to take into account that females these days are told from earliest days on that they are so great at everything, and not only as good as boys/men but even a lot better at all aspects, simply because they are female. And the politician try to keep that phantastic story up, ask school to produce that amount of highly talented females in some way, no matter what. So schools tell teachers to give the girls extra good marks for simply everything, to catch up with the demand for highly talented females. And because they turn out to be so excellent at everything at school in the outcome, they go to university in numbers unseen in history, which is a very good thing, since the debt created by that students is good for the economy, especially for the financial elites. So every one is so very happy with all those highly talented young females, except for the field of STEM where they choose to remain mainly absent. They use their talents for better things in life. And from time to time a person apears that is even so highly talented, that university becomes pointless and a waste of time, since that person chooses to use her talent for a much greater mission in life ... to rescue menkind. And everyone is so happy about her, because now the promise about all those extremly talented females, simply because they are females, now is about to materialize in the real world ... the prophecy is about to fulfill. Time to celebrate that in every possible way one could imagine. A new star is born and is happily female! And all the greedy investors open bottles of the finest champaign. The only pity in all the story turns out to be, that the new star is not especially talented at all, has no knownledge of whatsoever, apart from her very own wishes to be a star, and simply has to rely on manipulating people. Luckily manipulating people turns out to be not too difficult, since everyone is so busy celebrating the birth of this newly born female star at the sky of heros, that asking any questions appears as if it were a waste of most precious time. And time is money of course! Who wants to waste that? Crazy? But as we all know, fairy tales not all have a happy ending. And this one is one of them without happy ending. So what is lecture we can learn from this utterly failed story? Is it just a story about greedy investors? Is it just a story about someone who in wanted to make the world a better place? A story about a sociopath, grown up in an environment that did everything to make her believe that she will change the world into a better place, because she is a female which means that she is extraordinarily talented by all means, and by that entitled to make the world a better place anyways? Or could it be it is actually all of that and maybe even more that has come together to create a person like Elizabeth Holmes? There are some things we should perhaps not forget about when comes to learning from all this: Microsoft was not created by some great software developer who wrote a basic interpreter and a disk operating system, but by someone who bought a disk operating system and who tried to change a very few lines in the basic interpreter coming along with it. And when all os that was about to become a failed investment, this young guy made a contact with someone who did know something about how to make deals. And while the company started to grow from that point on, the only obstacle in the company was the young guy, having no education and no clue about anything going on. In the aftermath this young guy was expelled from daily business, and it turned out this person is a burden to the company at all aspects, he was sent home to enjoy his wealth and stop interfering with the company. Similar story about another guy who got people into trying to create cheap computer hardware. He could not really add much to all of this, apart from the "idea" about a "mouse" device, which he was not capable to invent in hardware on his own. But luckily his collegue was. And once it worked out at a certain level and a company created from this startup became successful, he also became a burden to the ever growing company, because of his increasingly disturbing views on how to manage a company, personal as well as hie "creative ideological visions" about what a company should represent as in public. These ever increasing disturbing views became in fact so annoying that he was asked to retire, and when he didn't want to do that, he was simply sent home. At some later point he was then called to come back, but not because the company was really missing him, but instead b ecause the marketplace had become increasingly difficult and it appeared to be a clever move to call him back as a galeon figure to signal some sort of change towards investors in Apple shares. Facebook was not created by some highly talented software developer, but someone who made others do the work by convincing them that this going to be a great thing to have and in the aftermath it will turn out to be beneficial for all who worked hard to make it happen. But while this company has become successful by the hard work of many, the front man turns out to be increasingly difficult at many aspects, including the view that facebook might be a good tool to manipulate peoples opinion by censorship. Of course we all want to see heros ... especially in a country with a great affinity to heroism, like the USA. So it is a nice thing to have a lot of heros, all "extremly talented" and celebrated for all the great things they did, or at least made others do, who all turned out to be not very talented but highly problematic personalities in daily real world business. Are there perhaps similarities with Elizabeth Holmes, besides the obvious fact of her being extremly untaleted? And what can we learn from that one? At least we could keep in mind: Extremly talented people try to learn as much as possible, ask as many questions as possible, write some sort of "work" about it, publish that and get a price for it, and most the time they certainly deserved it. In some cases they create a business together with specialists of all sorts to turn their discoveries / inventions into products and are successful with it as a team. Not so talented people tend to find and manipulate more talented people to do all the work, they could not do to make up a successful story on their own in any possible way. And perhaps such a conclusion is much much closer to reality, then all the fairy tales about heros too clever for university, who are in reality just people who did not make it in university and realized that already in an early stage and were looking for alternatives because of their lack of individual talent in the first place. And Elizabeth Holmes is simply just one of those untalented people who tried to make talented people to make something happen she herself could never do no matter what; and it did not work out since her lack of talent made her imagine things that simply would not work anyways the way she had made up in her utterly uneducated mind in the first place. But at the same time this might only be one single puzzle piece in the whole story, of investors, influencers, feminists and the desire for heros.

[@modeo92]

@edwardmashberg1 Exactly. Notice even in a "females these days..." post, he doesn't produce another female example that would make it plural. He mentions men. Elizabeth Holmes deserves everything negative that's happened to her, but she doesn't represent anything larger than herself. The vast majority of women who actually do make a difference don't get the attention she received because they're not self-promoting hucksters.

[@MemeB0MB]

Amazing story

[@AG-fg4uj]

Can he do a faucci movie

[@melaniel7121]

Was she really that brilliant? Her father was corrupt at Enron, wasn't he?

[@mrs.b.5864]

Yes…he was.

[@georgeshepherd6431]

Monica Lewinsky could portray Elizabeth Holmes LOL. I'm sure Monica needs work.

[@marykelly1478]

Monica is busy.

[@brandinginpajamas]

That would work

[@nancychace8619]

Good interview. Thanks for sharing.

[@miriamchaya4070]

And the lawyer at theranos represented harvey Weinstein hello . Wow

[@mrs.b.5864]

Wow! Seriously?

[@atefehnamvaryshad2596]

This interview is all over the place with no focus. How did it go from Holmes to Assange? and who cares about his personal opinion about indictment... Poor judgment and poor job on moderating this discussion.

[@FrankGutowski-ls8jt]

It’s really about how Gibley see things and why he does what he does. The title pertains only to the first half of the interview.

[@ramonathon7112]

But the English nanny was or new my nieghbour Carmen who’s husband name was Darryl . They lived beside me at 327 -20th ave Sw right down town in a house .

[@nayanmipun6784]

Wiki leaks - one of the few true journalism left in the world

[@patriciahitt1445]

They keep calling her brilliant she didn’t find anything it didn’t work. If it had more than I would call her brilliant but it was all ally

[@rockets4kids]

It does take a fair degree of brilliance to con so many people for so much money...

[@WRCWPLX]

Her ONLY brilliance is the fact she she was able to DUPE so many millionaires from different fields and had NO fear to continue her lie in public! This brilliance, without a doubt, will be used to try to "dupe" the jurors as well in her current criminal case! It is already known that she'll testify in court and her whole defense will revolve on the "victimization" of women, being herself a victim of her COO and boyfriend, claim she was forced to do everything under his guidance! This is the BIG lie about the equality women claim to fight for, as women are ONLY interested in getting the benefits men get, but women want NONE of the responsibilities and ACCOUNTABILITY that men have! Preposterous!!!

[@mon_avis2978]

I'm astonished that in 2019 Andy Serwer didn't know how to correctly pronounce _Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez._ Unbelievable.

[@keyboarddancers7751]

Gibney's next documentary will be on the trans ideology industry.

[@shonii119]

I guess if someone is a beautiful blonde teenager that was studying engineering but dropped out almost immediately, then suddenly becomes a medical expert, we should all listen to her. What the hell is wrong with people?

[@lss74]

beautiful? are u kidding?

[@beverlyallison4768]

He’s wrong . Tyler confronted her and she lied …. She will lie in private also

[@challenger516]

Let your guest talk, stop interrupting.

[@gabrielsyt]

Yes, Liz is an actor and it knew it was perpetuating a fraud. Come on, did anyone fall for this?

[@larazanz]

Um... Walgreens, Safeway, the Waltons, DeVos family, General Mattis, Henry Kissinger, the list goes on and on...

[@guadalupeavila9045]

He is emphatic to that woman? What is wrong with him. One person died because of her and many people ‘ health were put at risk. So we should be emphatic to Ted Bundy because he gave advise to people to stay safe before he was executed? Give me a break 😡

[@addie8292]

Alex, it is great to meet you here on KZbin. But I'm disappointed in your opinions of Trump.

[@PungiFungi]

@donereally so what? When have Trump’s critics cared about American citizens?

[@ramonathon7112]

Their lives seems to go down hill as soon as they had to sell their house at 1464 Renfrew drive ne years ago in the 90s . I’ve just only learned of this very obscure news since learning about a peacock in the okanogan

[@ramonathon7112]

I just met a women who assaulted me who’s boys friend is into the stocks and she was involved in all kinds of travel and prostitution when he was younger. I remember feeling very uncomfortable with her when she was in my life years ago. And didn’t mind bashing my friends at all. I wonder now what happened to the other girl she had in her life named Tammy. My husband might have been used her baby from England slip his relationship up with his wife Lorraine Miller .

[@cwcobo]

Mr Gibney, if you weren't interested in a film about Bernie Madoff then likely you won't be interested in one about Joe Biden.

[@newhorizon4066]

Right of the bat the movie begins by showing old movie reels from the Lumiere era, that have nothing to do with the subject that is being narrated, you can tell this Oscar/AA (both are same) winner is either lazy, or doing it for a paycheck. Or he held so much reverence to the sociopath that he was comparing her "invention" to the advent of motion pictures? If you don't have a conviction for a project, better not do it Alex - otherwise you're only selling out.

[@holdruss6197]

Now do Trevor Milton

[@marlenesouliere6971]

Alex is an ABSOLUTE TREASURE......let's keep him!!!!!!!!!!

[@newhorizon4066]

Sorry kind of a bit late since he has flushed his reputation down the toilet with this theranos doc and told the world so in this interview.

[@aprillara9663]

Good questions!

[@KTravRuNEr]

This filmmaker clearly does not understand Elizabeth Holmes or sociopaths or physics or chemistry and his analysis is way off.

[@ramonathon7112]

I believe now with what’s happened to my parents they choose them because they were jehovahs whitenesses. And possibly stole their identity’s as well.

[@florianwolf9380]

Alex, your next story should indeed be about the Volkswagen dynasty - Martin Winterkorn at the helm, Ferdinand Piech & his family pulling the strings, Bosch, Porsche, Audi all to a certain extent involved. And of course no-one knew anything, and they were all not involved. All they did was line their pockets with millions, cause damage to the brands & companies their were / are working for, betray the public, and in all this have no remorse at all. Whether it is Volkswagen, Theranos, Enron, or others - the underlying human pattern is always very similar - narcicism, greed, publicity and fame. Many years ago I read a study by one of the major headhunters, claiming that more than 30 % (!) of all CEOs they interviewed using a clinical questionnaire were in the end "psychopaths" - that should tell us something...

[@GradyBaby13]

That's a very good interviewer.

[@synchronicitystudios8217]

6:59

[@defface777]

Yea, all those tv thieves out there... LOL

[@bn8579]

She dropped out after 2 semesters… yeah she didn’t know sh!t

[@torntoadt.horntoadiii5483]

Let's go Brandon!

[@ramonathon7112]

In this world I was told you are guilty until proven innocent and once you constantly go to rcmp and several police stations and have your life completely turned inside out . You me told to just ignor all the abuse happening to you. I can understand how a person would look good in public . Or attempting to make your life better while others are distributing yours on purpose ! Ithout knowing who what or why . No we were used maybe starting with my mother and her husband .

[@selap8682]

Spin

[@ferociousgumby]

Martha Stewart did some serious time. So who knows.

[@juliafernandes5037]

She went to jail for only 5 months

[@larazanz]

She did not do serious time. It was a year and she was released early. Elizabeth is looking at 20 years.

[@GH-oi2jf]

@@larazanz - Twenty years is the maximum. Reporters always give the max, but few people get it.

[@guadalupeavila9045]

This woman is smart as a cult leader 🥸🤪

[@custer2449]

Yahoo Finance Editor-in-Chief Andy Sewer is slime.

[@kateskeys]

Trump doesn’t care if it’s a lie- at this point he doesn’t even KNOW if it’s a lie.

[@dougenglun4983]

You should to the fake story of Trump

[@Joe-rg6du]

Gibney has bought into Elizabeth also. lol

[@jamespreston8643]

Still looking for a great story?

[@Angelcatsun]

Jail tho? Why is they always our first option? Just take someone’s life away? How about heavy fines, counseling, black listed from being a CEO for 10 years etc. Think about JAIL. Does she really deserve that?

[@thewkovacs316]

have you read any of the victim testimony? she was willing to kill people to continue the con ya...right to fookin prison

[@nightdays6965]

Miss homes should be jailed for life just for making a fool out of the president. Dig her deep voice. She should be a singing teacher also

[@Dwightstjohn-fo8ki]

there's a flip side to this: In HS the debaters that came from wealthy families, high end schools, and trophy winning teams were always TRUMPETED as over achievers. In the East side barrios, to paraphrase some students who made it big: We had to accomplish TWICE as much to get HALF the recognition, scholarships, recruitments, etc. Inotherwords, if she HADN'T been the daughter of an Enron Exec. that spent his time in the fashion weeks in Vail with the 'correct" people, she would only have been heard of on "America's Most Wanted". But by the time the Vietnam war was winding down and my HS friends were now playing football at the age of 22 against KIDS, it's was no wonder the kids were being, almost literally, killed. And the debators that went on the USC and Stanford?? We KILLED them too, but by then the scholarships and money had been given out.

[@modeo92]

"the Vietnam war was winding down" lol I think you need to find a more relevant KZbin video to deal with that huge boulder on your shoulder.

[@geoffreyreeks2422]

You lost credibility when you demeaned President Trump and so, I stopped watching your video. Regards, Geoff. Reeks

[@beatle1956]

Another condescending, far-left liberal.

[@danh5637]

His documentary was dreadful. Superficial and toothless

[@KnowTrentTimoy]

The public in general are fascinated by fraudsters like Ms Wide-Eyed deep voice Lizzy because when they are caught and disseminated as such a fraud/CON it takes gall and audacity to pretend to be something you're NOT. And this is what intrigues people in general.

[@Gildete257]

Fraudsters are manipulators. Most people can't resist them