Alex Hirsch and Gravity Falls Vs. The Disney Censors

[@UnorthodoxIndividual]

Edit April 2023: Removed the song at 2:13 because of Copyright so it's dead silent, sorry about that. The song was a track from the movie "Up" You can probably guess which one. This isn't even all of it, if you want a few more check out his twitter profile: twitter.com/_AlexHirsch/status/1537314312926003201 This shit is comedy gold but it also sucks that they're so restrictive lol. I mean we can allow body horror and plenty of horror imagery but can't say "poopface" or have gay characters? Lmao ok Disney

[@HenshinFanatic]

@𝘚𝘯𝘦𝘢𝘬𝘺 𝘚𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘬𝘭𝘦𝘴 because then they can't sell to places like China, or run by the "Religion Of Peace".

[@someonerandom8545]

Ngl I agree with Disney, I love Alex and him standing up to them but their the bosses not him

[@strawberrys0da714]

@@someonerandom8545 Being the bosses doesn't mean they have to have such a big stick up their Hoo-Ha's Jamboree.

[@Texan.Insomniac]

You know he loved this show not because its so high quality but because he dealt with this all these years without strangling S&P

[@kinjr04]

@𝘚𝘯𝘦𝘢𝘬𝘺 𝘚𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘬𝘭𝘦𝘴 is this about The Owl House cancellation? If so, They didn’t cancel it because of that

[@kasparisdead]

Ironically, "Not S&P approved" makes the party sound much more sexual than "Bottles will be spun" ever did.

[@Arlojay-bw3vp]

What does S&P mean?

[@Elliandr]

​@@Arlojay-bw3vp S&P means "Standards and Practices" and is a division in a company (in this case Disney) that decides what can and cannot be aired. Think of them as their censors. By saying that a party is "Not S&P Approved" you are saying that things go on at the party which the censors would not want aired on television. So literally anything that could possibly be the subject of censorship might be going on there. Note that what distinguishes television from streaming services is the lack of an S&P Department which drives viewership, but that's starting to change because S&P also caters to advertisers. KZbin is particularly focused on satisfying advertisers which is why they've gone so far downhill in recent years. In this context think of the S&P as a plague that sucks the life out of genuine creativity. They become so focused on brand image and the opinions of the vocal minority that they significantly add costs to the creative process and in many cases cancel entire projects people love.

[@Arlojay-bw3vp]

@@Elliandr Thx

[@Insert6character4name.]

@@Arlojay-bw3vpI was also wondering that

[@barnes.and.nibbles]

literally

[@legosmc-1999]

The line "'Not S&P Approved' has been approved by S&P" just completely confirms to me that the S&P department at Disney is just being run by a bunch of computers.

[@nicholaschavez5006]

What is S&P?

[@legosmc-1999]

@@nicholaschavez5006 standards and practices.

[@ImSable]

@@legosmc-1999 didn't know they had that lmao

[@JacklynBurn]

See, I was in a similar boat back when all I knew of the S&P story was "'Not S&P Approved' has been approved by S&P" Seeing a larger chunk of the exchange where they try to veto the pisstake only for Hirsch to say "what's your reasoning then" shows that they're not computers, just assholes, because they tried it, but still know they can't use "you have to remove it because we don't wanna be made fun of" as an excuse. Which honestly just makes it so much funnier than them just approving the change, because Hirsch stared them down with the ultimatum of "you either have to fight for the original script or approve us making fun of you, good luck fuckers"

[@utopes]

Idk I think that whole entire interaction is hilarious af and shows some humor, even if it’s still restrictive. The wording of that last phrase was absolutely intentionally worded for maximum irony.

[@herpderp3916]

I love that half the time Hirsch's response to them is just "No, I'm not changing it." What a guy.

[@spjr99]

giga

[@scarecrow460]

If I was him my response would be a lot more aggressive

[@imjustalittleqwerty]

@@scarecrow460 No it wouldn’t.

[@schwarzonia]

@@imjustalittleqwerty It really wouldnt

[@jamfilledjars]

It most assuredly wouldn’t.

[@morganlucchi]

I love how "not s&p approved" makes one's imagination go much wilder than just "bottles will be spun"

[@trumediamix1]

​@@Nameless82284 Given the deeper context, I bet it simply means to imply that S&P was like that overprotective parent that'd freak out if you ever got a boyfriend or girlfriend.

[@AlastorFan5900]

@@trumediamix1 yes, but "not s&p approved" implies much more intimate actions than kissing, especially paired with the text under it " no photos better end up online".

[@trumediamix1]

@AlastorFan5900 Nah, to me, it implies *_"Malicious Compliance,"_* as Redditors know too well. ❤️ • Someone wants to stupid • Someone smarter tries to warn them what the stupid will do • Stupid ensues anyways, with smart following orders with the intent of proving themselves right *_the hard way..._* Imo, they make many workplace nightmare stories feel like satisfying and hilarious feats of self-worth. I kinda respect that a lot.

[@HappyGick]

Malicious compliance. I love it.

[@sniperrecon676]

I always wondered what it meant as a kid but never took the time to look it up

[@toothless2067]

Imagine a bunch of grown adults sitting at a table, all dressed up, looking all serious, and writing these things.

[@chasethemaster3440]

Someone please make this a skit I need to see this now

[@UnorthodoxIndividual]

Funniest shit ever

[@andrewdiaz3529]

@@jakobinobles3263 That's exactly what S&P is in the last one; all of these come from S&P, this is their full time job.

[@logicaloverdrive8197]

A bunch of grown-ass adults debating over "Salacious Monk Monk"

[@jacobc8036]

I feel embarrassed on their behalf

[@wd3185]

The fact that Alex got away with some of the stuff he did with these kinds of notes is massively impressive.

[@nazimelon6653]

I mean He stayed fairly respectful, used proper terminology and kinda had them by the balls, knowing how popular gracity falls could potentially be while its HIS intellectual property. Sassy, yes but nothing too insane. Not being outraged but instead keeping proper adressing and similar up goes a long way with these types of workers.

[@arikrex9978]

i feel bad for him having to read these things, i mean some are reasonable, but there are some that are just insane

[@DeadBread.]

Apparently, "I've got some kids to kill" isn't okay, but "I've got some kids to turn into corpses" is If you were wondering, it was said by Bill Cypher in the final episode

[@tycol322]

I think it was the writers of Animaniacs or maybe Freakizoid said the trick to getting the risqué jokes through was to throw in a few they knew would get flagged for sure over the ones they wanted to keep. Basically to throw in decoys they were okay cutting

[@cosmosyn2514]

@@tycol322 The one of the oldest tricks in the book. There’s this one joke where there’s a smuggler, and he frequently crosses a border, transporting bags of sand whilst riding on a bike, the bags of sand are checked every time, and they let the man go through each time, finding nothing suspicious in the bags. What was he snuggling? Bicycles.

[@drewluczynski9609]

Honestly, Alex is a real champ for dealing with this stupidity.

[@multiverse_media2023]

Disney’s been stupid since 1940. Even their romantic relationships were as bad since 1940. I mean, look at Snow White and the Prince!

[@dionysus_adores]

I respect him so much especially after he said they're buddies comment

[@firebrand723]

As a devout Presbyterian myself, seeing a character say “Lucifer” doesn’t offend me.

[@farihabintayenayet1222]

Yeah, he has so much patience. I would never have. Like would quit the very day. Respect's to him

[@rickbeamer3336]

This level of simplicity It's so dense you could pass out from lack of air

[@idekwtfidatp_]

“Nope. They’re…buddies. Chill out.” I LOVE ALEX SM

[@Sombro56]

“What’s a ‘make out party’ and where can I find one?” Not only was Alex having none of it, he was being the funniest smart-ass in the process.

[@andmicbro1]

Hahaha...though seriously, you know where one of these so-called "make out parties" are?

[@Sombro56]

@@andmicbro1 lol yeah you don’t have to read between the lines that much

[@ASSASINE0]

@@Sombro56 he wants a location

[@Sombro56]

@@ASSASINE0 I realized that I read it wrong lol. I’m dumb as hell.

[@ASSASINE0]

@@Sombro56 tried to read to much between the lines? xD

[@4EverSmiles]

Alex and Dana and other creators are just like: “Dude, these things aren’t sexualizing anything.”

[@III-uz6wv]

@Cecilio Verte And Juan miguel Growing? Meh, there were already that many furries, they just revealed themselves after those movies came out. ᴵ'ᵐ ᵃ ᶠᵘʳʳʸ ᵗᵒᵒ

[@roboticshaft1340]

@Cecilio Verte And Juan miguel DreamWorks is a chad, or at least the animation team is lmao

[@Hopalongtom]

@Cecilio Verte And Juan miguel more people to well merchandise to, win/win!

[@springwire2979]

LIKE SERIOUSLY ITS ONLY DISNEY WHOS SAYING IT

[@Aimi_Kaneko]

@Cecilio Verte And Juan miguel It’s called Turning red

[@statesofgracie]

“Not S&P Approved has been approved by S&P” gotta be the absolute funniest thing I’ve ever heard

[@wompietunes]

And the fact it was even animated in xD

[@thuslyandfurthermore]

the person sending that email was totally in on how funny that is

[@funguy398]

I need a t-shirt with this phrase

[@benjistyles19]

@@funguy398 I’ll make it on red bubble and charge it for 99 dollars

[@mrbeargames7051]

@@benjistyles19Nah Man, You gotta charge it for 99 dollars + 50 cents, That’s how you get it the real Grunkle Stan Way.

[@Deadsphere]

"please revise the line that makes us think of furries" DISNEY, YOU HAVE AN ANTHRO MOUSE FOR A MASCOT.

[@aturchomicz821]

Anti Furries in high positions of power smh😒😒

[@aniahliepard]

The fact they called it a FETISH is horrid

[@TheCaregiverSITMOB]

@@aniahliepardIt IS a fetish. But yeah, there are “fake furries” like GD Colon.

[@aniahliepard]

@@TheCaregiverSITMOB I mean like… assuming everyone doing it is doing it for a fetish, that’s what makes it messed up, horrible mob mentality stuff and all that

[@creator2ber139]

DreamWorks: "Alright so remember the furry wolf in The Bad Guys? Let's do it again but he's also the embodiment of Death"

[@littlebigb5370]

That last S&P bit is still the absolute chadest public-yet-still-subtle middle-finger to Disney censors I've ever seen. He made them sign off and approve of their own burn.

[@battleblaster4203]

I dont think it was subtle ...i mean ...they immediately knew what was happening but couldn't stip it Which mkes it hilarious

[@j.j.juggernaut9709]

Pretty sure they also thought it was hilarious 😂😂

[@twinodoom]

S&P probably thought we'd never find out the meaning behind the joke. But who's laughing now?

[@AlfredoMazzinghi]

It is insane, I would not even have noticed the flyer as a kid, I noticed it now because I paused, I missed it during the first 4 rewatch of the show...

[@aaronking2020]

+ respect to the intern who approved it

[@emma_nutella58]

I love how this stuff wasn’t allowed but a demon triangle rearranging a guys face and turning people to stone using them as furniture is perfectly fine, Disney would y’a make up your mind

[@vibrantgleam]

FR

[@imhappy7632]

im guessing they were so worn down by Alex's responses they just went, "Sure whatever"

[@thelonelyswoobat6936]

NOT TO MENTION "I'VE GOT TWO CHILDREN I NEED TO TURN INTO CORPSES!" .... H O W did T H A T make it in without trouble?

[@vibrantgleam]

@@thelonelyswoobat6936 I DON'T KNOWW

[@thegammaparadigm4540]

What's wrong with a throne of human agony? All the Disney execs have them

[@caelanjarman2466]

My respect for Disney as a company continues to deplete. Alex Hirsch, Matt Braly, and Dana Terrace, you 3 and your crews have my undying admiration.

[@HaydrogenBomb]

Forreal. They're real ones, and look forward to what they do next. Hopefully, they'll get to make it the way THEY want this time.

[@twist58]

Disney’s TV animation practices are poorly done, but I still have the utmost respect for their film animation division!

[@jfernandez7098]

Disney has no rock bottom. Every time you thing they get there they grab a shovel and start digging

[@animeotaku307]

What they made was great in spite of Disney, not because of Disney

[@Tina-pl7qi]

At that point they started to sound less like humans and more like brainles Robots

[@moonoftheblood]

I love Alex Hirsch gaslighting the Disney higher ups into believing Durland and Blubs are just "buddies" lol

[@schorltourmaline4521]

It's a neat story. I personally doubt it happened, but it's a neat story.

[@dooplon5083]

​@@schorltourmaline4521maybe they just considered it a workable excuse was all and let it slide

[@schorltourmaline4521]

​@@dooplon5083 The thing is if Disney REALLY cared about, they would nix it outright. They certainly wouldn't let them declare their love for one like they did at the end of the series. Disney has pretty much allowed some form of LGBT rep in all their shows for the 10 years (in some cases it was a requirement). It's really hard to keep up the "Disney censors LGBT" narrative when they clearly aren't.

[@dooplon5083]

@@schorltourmaline4521 I think you're forgetting the fact that this show ended _8 years ago_ and you're saying that they were putting more LGBT into their shows starting _10._ While I can assume that you were just rounding up there, theres also the fact that it ran for 4 years, premiering back in 2012, meaning that there is no "narrative" to speak of, it was just a fact back then. The fact that Alex himself has even shown direct messages from Disney's standards and practices department and they complained about them acting gay is proof enough that times changed since the show started airing. In other words, Gravity falls walked so that The Owl House and Amphibia and all the other Disney LGBT rep could run

[@schorltourmaline4521]

@@dooplon5083 Did he "Show" actual letters, or did he say they happened with no physical evidence. If it is the former, where can I find these, cause I've ONLY ever seen second hand sources (and Alex counts as a second hand source). Did I say ended? I spoke correctly when I said ten, cause the cops were still gay characters from the start (funny, you don't seem to trust Alex on that part. Don't worry, I have a cherry tree myself, so I know the joys of picking them). Even if I wanted to follow your idea that Disney has been easing people into the LGBT stuff over years, the issue is that people to this day will sill claim disney is against it. I got into an argument the other day with someone with that mind frame, even after point out all the shows disney has that feature openly gay characters. Heck, Star Vs. also had openly gay characters, and came out at the same time. That really seems to bust your idea that GF was the first of it's kind, when other shows were doing the same thing. If you want to point to a catalyst to all this, it's not even show. It's just that Steven Universe happened, and companies saw that people actually liked it. Sure, Disney might have wanted to dip their toes int he water after they saw CN dive in, but they were not afraid in the slightest to take the metaphorical swim.

[@TurboPikachu]

“Not S&P approved” is unironically funnier than “bottles will be spun” Hirsch is a legend for this

[@MidnightChimey]

"Not S&P approved has been S&P approved"

[@ryszakowy]

"bottles will be spun" - woah hoho... teenagers are gonna kiss... "not S&P approved" - holy crap what is even going on in here THEY ARE DOING WHAT.

[@enkiimuto1041]

I like how the guy responding the e-mail had the humor to send that response

[@superninja493]

Isn’t spin the bottle a kids game, why would it need to be censored?

[@ceoofcomedy3009]

@@superninja493 whoever spins the bottle kisses whoever the drinking part of the bottle is pointing towards

[@sayorikinnie7643]

the funniest thing about this is, i would argue that "not s+p approved" is worse than "bottles will be spun" when there isnt context, because like that implies things will happen at the party that wouldnt be approved by standards and practices or whatever. nice job disney

[@kaiahearn995]

Also "No photos better end up online!" Just makes "not s+p approved" sound even worse.

[@ditchfood8047]

@@kaiahearn995 was thinking the exact same. That is definitely by far worse than "bottles will be spun" and possibly why he wanted to do it lol.

[@chalibard3826]

@@kaiahearn995 Both statements together read like a corporate way of describing an Epstein party.

[@thompsonnoel]

I'm pretty sure they approved it because they probably know the imaginary people that get offended by these types of things don't understand what s&p means

[@icd9418]

When I watched it I didn't know what "not s+p approved" meant. My mind told me that the party is naughtier than the flyer suggests. I'm not living in America and Gravity Falls was the first time I heard that phrase.

[@SirPonnd]

It brings me great joy knowing that "I regularly commit massive tax fraud" and "I've got some children I need to make into corpses" were fine, but "Chub Pup" was crossing a line.

[@errorschnansch1892]

You wouldn't want your kids to hear "Chub Pup", would you???

[@MagikSpellzz]

@@errorschnansch1892 HOW DARE THEY SHOW SUCH HEINOUS WORDS TO MY CHILD

[@MagikSpellzz]

@@errorschnansch1892 🤣

[@flopjack12]

@@MagikSpellzz what you got a word a day calendar or somethin'?

[@jmjrulz9482]

Bill: "Alright Ford. Times Up. I've got the kids. I think I'm gonna kill one of them now, just for the heck of it." S&P: Approved

[@ZappoNinja]

Alex wrote the Dipper snapping the neck of Dippy Fresh (Mabel’s reality episode) because he wanted to make something extreme so the censors wouldn’t be as focused on more minor stuff. Honestly was great

[@andrewlance3898]

First rule of negotiation: Always ask for more than what you want.

[@beingmegucaissuffering.5326]

Apparently making something more extreme than what you actually want to show is a pretty common way for creators to get stuff around censors.

[@thumtak_]

Oneshot

[@iceybird197]

He's playing 4D chess

[@NooberianRepublic]

NOIK

[@GingerKing243]

The best part is, "Not S&P Approved" has so much more innuendo than "bottles will be spun"

[@justaghostinthesea]

Heh. Uhhh... How?

[@techissus7449]

@@justaghostinthesea it implies they'll be doing much more than whatever S+P believes to be child or audience friendly, going beyond make outs.

[@python1972]

@@justaghostinthesea Since S&P cover all things from the length of a hug to sex and drug use. The line "not S&P approved" means it breaks at least one rule. Whether that's because they're playing spin the bottle or because it's a drug bender orgy is left up to the audience interpretation

[@Jawsomest]

It's basically similar to saying "NSFW". "Not safe for S&P" "Not safe for work"

[@mackenziewoloschuk7375]

Yep. More people will think "oh, sex party" with "Not S&P Approved" than with "Bottles will be spun" lmao Congrats Disney, you played yourself

[@bad-girl-coventhe-owl-club1119]

Disney: "Don't use the word Lucifer." Isn't one of their oldest (and somewhat iconic) characters a cat named Lucifer?

[@Katto846]

yeah.

[@andromeda_va39]

Exactly!

[@katie15732]

What show?

[@andromeda_va39]

@@katie15732 The original Cinderella movie.

[@caelanjarman2466]

Not a show. He's the right hand cat of Cinderella's Lady Tremaine, the infamous stepmother.

[@Oodles_Guy]

The fact that he sounds like Dipper unironically when reacting to the notes makes it seem as if its actually Dipper reading this lol

[@_TheDoctor]

He doesnt sound like Dipper. He sounds like Alex's casual talking voice (close to young Fiddleford McGucket but without a southern accent)

[@joaopedroguedessilva5058]

​@@_TheDoctor I think he means the way Alex speaks, his speech and logic. And to be real, Dipper is a quasi-self insert of Alex

[@justtherabbithole2577]

@@_TheDoctor Not trying to be a d*ck, but it's a country accent not southern.

[@coal9205]

Imagine it as dipper as an Adult instead and its funnier

[@nidhogg8446]

I mean.... Dipper IS based on Alex

[@KrazyKaiser]

Wow that one censor really said "that image of Soos in a bear outfit turned me on way to much, change it."

[@AlechiaTheWitch]

Yeahhhh

[@HowCouldYouu]

dont they have people dress up in a mickey mouse fur suit at disneyland??? wtf

[@iantaakalla8180]

“Oh boy those mascot people really turn me on but I better make it clear that I am not the horny person here”

[@iantaakalla8180]

Do those censors find people in Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck and Minnie Mouse and Daisy Duck suits sexual? My god

[@archivist_13]

Oh god tbaf makes it even funnier to imagine lmfao

[@raydgreenwald7788]

You know, "not S&P approved" feels like a dirtier than "kissing party". Kissing party is just a party with kissing, not being approved by the S&P could mean that or an Eyes Wide Shut orgy party.....

[@alexvives1335]

Mega uno reverse card there!

[@ntfoperative9432]

It's literally the same energy as saying it's NSFW

[@raydgreenwald7788]

@@ntfoperative9432 yes

[@Khadeeen]

@@ntfoperative9432lmao yeah, I know right?

[@oscarwind4266]

Yhea man. I assumed it was ethier some meme or reference I was too out of touch to get or intentionally vauge to give the impression it was something dirty.

[@MartinGenerations]

"Not S&P approved" is the best censor ever xD

[@spacetechempire510]

That alone made me laugh for like a minute

[@mEmory______]

I get the impression that maybe someone on the other end was aware of some of the more ridiculous demands and was just doing the job ordered of them.

[@mrgoober8805]

I think at that point, they where like, "YEAH STICK IT TO THE MAN"!!

[@franciscoguinledebarros4429]

And it's actually genius, the only ones who would know what SnP is are adults, and we know how far the mind goes when filling in a [REDACTED], it's not just bottles spinning let's say that

[@roiking2740]

like he put it there out of spite and they knew they cant refused this censor.

[@bad-girl-coventhe-owl-club1119]

I love how Disney is just like *"Hey, no gays"* and Alex Hirsch is just like *"They’re TOTALLY just buds".*

[@treefrog8039]

They were totally just "Roomates"

[@realmsthewitch8242]

No gay but terrifying imagery

[@juanamador7856]

Does anybody know that Lightyear has gay kissing

[@cartoonking1789]

And now Disney is supporting LGBT’S because it’s “profitable”

[@E_Lane817]

If only we got that third Owl House season could they try to say they're allies, but we all know... Its just more money. Props to CN for being so great.

[@MysticMermaidVA]

I love how when Alex was told to change something he was like “No” and when Jhonen Vasquez was told to change something for Invader Zim (since he had lots of fights with the censors as well) he was like “No and now it’s somehow worse”

[@bondfall0072]

Wait what? I need context!

[@Zero-ux4kh]

*_ok_*

[@han-sn8tu]

@@bondfall0072 from what i can remember about the iz censors it had something to do with children being able to replicate the violence. Disney didnt want any fight scenes that a child could reinvent themselves. So a scene with dib punching zim in the face might not be approved (bc kids can hit each other too) but a scene of dib shooting zim with a laser gun would (bc kids dont have access to laser guns). But when you compare the two scenes, shooting someone is definitely way worse than just punching them lol. But also the iz staff would sometimes just make the scenes worse than before the censors just as an f you to Disneys higher ups

[@iristhething9910]

​@@han-sn8tu Huh? What? - Invader zim wasn't Disney..... It was nickelodeon you mean

[@han-sn8tu]

@@iristhething9910 oops ya I meant nick

[@calasay2688]

Knowing the context behind "Not S&P approved" is funnier than "Bottles will be spun" so in a way, I appreciate the censor

[@Step1adder]

and it makes it sound so much worse

[@davisdf3064]

@@Step1adder "NO photos better end up online!" makes it sound even worse

[@keithsinter5611]

having that line approved shows that someone in S&P might still poccess humor

[@marpothecary7374]

This really does feel like a conversation between a human and a robot.

[@00.28.]

Cause it basically is

[@hogmeet3942]

Disney is a machine designed to pump out the most bland and family friendly shows in movies on the planet nay in the galaxy with no creativity or willingness to be even slightly maybe possibly offensive so yes it sounds like a human talking to a robot because it is

[@the-letter_s]

S&P departments, HR departments and telemarketers are human robots. the people who successfully make careers in those places lack the basic defining aspects of free will.

[@Superkuh2]

When corporations were given the legal rights of personhood they became the first AI's.

[@notaulgoodman9732]

Disney didn’t pass the Turing test.

[@adamperham2000]

I honestly believe Blubbs and Durland weren't originally intended to be gay but the more disney got annoyed at anything close to them being hinted as gay the more Alex found it funny and decided to push it

[@arhyllinchroma9062]

Somehow that’s even funnier to me

[@TheAsylumCat]

"What? Homies can't kiss each other goodnight?" Is a line I imagine him saying

[@DakotaofRaptors]

@@TheAsylumCat "nothing gayer than a bunch of straight guys"

[@Pers0n97]

The funniest part is how now the same censorboard would contact you to ask you ADD gay stuff instead.

[@teamcybr8375]

@@Pers0n97 No, they wouldn't. This was like five years ago man. Disney is only allowing gay characters in their shows at all because it makes them more money. And they cut them right back out for the Chinese version.

[@Ninja_4561]

It's strange that Disney wanted them to replace "jeez" when they allow that word in Mickey Mouse Clubhouse of all things

[@sirduggins]

Aw jeez Pluto! Let's see what mystery mouskatool we can use to stop the S&P from censoring us.

[@Marcuskwok-hn5yi]

@@sirdugginsno..no, I don’t think a gun would work,maybe these blocks would work.

[@Very_Unique_Handle_2]

Jeebweezers! 😰

[@supersonicernie9827]

Ah yes, i totally agree that “poop face” is offensive. But seriously, they allowed many adult jokes in the show and yet Disney is offended because a character said poop face and mentioning someone’s questionable search history? But overall, I gotta give respect to Alex for putting up with this Hoo-ha’s Jamboree.

[@jangamecuber]

How did "Dipper's Internet History" not get mentioned

[@disturbdeddoggo9526]

Good one

[@bobraekevelt7953]

@@jangamecuber easy, they are mentally children so they didn’t get the adult jokes

[@PlagueMemes]

oh like this one *HOT BELGAIN WAFFLES* ...wait I'm alone now I can swear for real *SON OF A*

[@Jaytion1717]

They can't say poop face but they can have literal blood come out of decapitated animal heads in gravity falls???? What the fuck

[@Christopherjazzcat]

I was genuinely surprised that they were able to get the line "turn children into corpses" past the censors.

[@TripleAAABatteriesStudio]

Ikr

[@ashessakura7518]

Also the line “I regularly commit massive tax fraud” was allowed XD S&P is run by computers, I swear lol

[@midday-moonlight6867]

@@moonbowskexcept bill also says he’s gonna kill them too lol “I think I’ll kill one of them now, just for the heck of it!”

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

That was an alternate line. He originally just said he was going to murder them, but S&P didn't like it.

[@dr.unventor]

I think it might be because the weirdmagedon episodes had a slightly higher age rating

[@superfuzycat1]

They’re concerned about “furrys” but made movies like zootopia lmao

[@xostler]

That and they _literally staff people to dress up in mouse, dog, duck, and bear costumes._

[@Barple_Bapkins]

They literally started furries by slapping eyebrows on animated animals, after that it just mutated further, Disney started it lol

[@tionse_yfrkkkkkkkkkk]

@@Barple_Bapkins no, it was egiptician gods

[@steamedsalmons7802]

@@tionse_yfrkkkkkkkkkk Egyptian*

[@leechion2933]

Dude as a furry myself those fuckin movies are what brought me to be a furry. atleast helped it.

[@xXYannuschXx]

This feels like Alex Hirsch discussing with a malfunctioning robot.

[@impostrous]

that's what a late stage corporation is

[@PicketPolecat]

I honestly love how the censors were worried about an alleged "furry joke" while never acknowledging that the furry fandom was practically Disney's own fault in the first place

[@jmurray1110]

Cough cough “Robin Hood” Also being a fury isn’t a fetish that’s like saying being a cunt to wait staff is a fetish sure it could technically be used in a sexual way but so could Karen role play

[@teamcybr8375]

_Sideyes Robin Hood_

[@jermonejackson8437]

Disney They basically said it's an issue to be furry and that's its only sexual like the hell

[@johnwicked1132]

@@jermonejackson8437 Well it is :P

[@ryujikazuda]

@@teamcybr8375 fr. Robin hood was my childhood furry awakening

[@Hydrolion1998]

This just shows me that Alex has a patience of a saint, can't believe he dealt with all these dumb complaints so well.

[@SourTb]

He didn't tho, he went to some arrogantly pretentious territory just on this video alone. The whole Lucifer defense was entirely in poor taste.

[@StormForthcoming]

@@SourTb 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓

[@SourTb]

@@StormForthcoming and I'm literally not wrong, after reading the disrespectful shit Alex pulled, he is more worthy of this emojis than me for having the respect of a 15 y-o atheist.

[@marklems5894]

​@@SourTb The lucifer part is literally the definition of "Im done with this idiots sending me this, I will explain why the fuck this isn't offesive"

[@SourTb]

@@marklems5894 You can explain shit without being a pretentious dick. Cheers.

[@EpicRadicalDude]

Remember that Disney allows a literal 13 year old literally dying on screen, but Mabel saying "poopface" is too far 💀

[@nerdgeekman]

They literally own Family Guy now I-

[@jpnrndr7983]

@@nerdgeekman yeah they're a bit fuckin stupid

[@yourcommentisntfunnyv2709]

What 13 year old dying

[@EpicRadicalDude]

@@yourcommentisntfunnyv2709 from Amphibia

[@EpicRadicalDude]

EDIT: This isn't even mentioning that she got fucking impaled by a giant sword

[@PixelTheProto]

Alex Hirsch saying “not changing it” is the best goddamn thing in years.

[@coyotix]

"not s&p approved has been approved by s&p" made me laugh way too hard also honestly, disney refusing soos' s teddy bear costume because it's a furry thing and then turning around and making zootopia is just the most hypocritical shit i've ever heard

[@CrowCoded]

You know whoever wrote that reply had to have had a bit of a chuckle, even if their job is being the messenger that sucks the soul out of animations.

[@EskChan19]

And not just Zootopia. Practically all their movies are furrybait. Unless I missed the history lesson where Robin Hood was actually a foxperson.

[@HeyThisIsGale]

*cough* TURNINGRED *cough*

[@KaiserAviNero]

Best part is that people die/use drugs in zootopia

[@Gibbypastrami]

@@EskChan19 idk why people keep mentioning Robin Hood, it came out so long ago there has to be other equitable properties in more recent memory that Disney has released XD

[@disturbdeddoggo9526]

They still somehow allowed Stan to “own 10 guns” and scream “Son of a-“ at the top of his lungs.

[@BonaparteBardithion]

He was saying "son of a gun", but they only approved ten of them.

[@Actiondanny]

S&P is concerned that any censorship of gun ownership would imply that Disney is not supportive of Second Amendment rights, and predicts complaints.

[@Kitkat-986]

I mean, Elmer Fudd owned guns and he was in a kids show. Lots of American households have guns, including mine. Actually, I own more guns than Stan.

[@hyp3rsqu1d81]

They also somehow allowed Stan to say "wait a minute. In I'm alone. I can swear for real. FUUUUUUU-"

[@spv4711]

And what the h a drunk referent someone being high as f*** oh s*** and oh my God

[@staticmations4764]

This is one of the reasons I hate disney. They freak out over the smallest shit and cancel the greatest shows because it "Doesnt fit the brand"

[@josephholt4736]

Personally, I think that why they do that stuff depends on who is currently running the place and how they deal with things.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

Gravity Falls kinda ended by choice from the creator.

[@fiery114]

@@poweroffriendship2.0 the owl house however did not

[@mr.eldritch1589]

@@poweroffriendship2.0 they were talking about owl house getting canceled

[@jstarwars360]

Dana, creator of the Owl House, confirmed via Twitter that it was mainly due to the network wanting more nonserialized shows and TOH was super serialized compared to stuff like Amphibia. That being said it probably didn't help that the show was dark, banned in certain countries due to LGBT content, and that the company had taken a hit during CoVid and needed to make up lost revenue. Since Owl House had yet to explode, since Season 1s big episodes hadn't aired yet and the show wasn't on Disney+ at the time, it sadly drew the short straw.

[@theweirdalex12]

Everytime I see the "Bottle will spun" thing I am reminded of a line from the second episode "I thought you were off playing spin the bottle with Soos

[@damascusraven]

"Why should we be held hostage to whatever imaginary knee-jerk career complainers who would be conceivably go out of their way to pretend to be offended by this?" I love this line. More people should think like this.

[@raven75257]

Honestly, this should be permanently plastered to all walls of 90% of companies that currently exist

[@Eikotheavali]

"Will review in this context"

[@slizzardshroomer9666]

@@raven75257 100%*

[@AutoSearPin]

It’s called cancel culture. It’s not just the old religious people.. you guys do it the most without checking the original context or facts.. just be offended. Everyone wants to be a voice of reason, unless no one listens to reason, then they’ll just blend into the rest of the herd as to not be seen xenophobic

[@Yelloweyedrobo]

@@AutoSearPinwhat is blud blubbering about

[@erisvance6997]

okay but the phrase "no photos better show up online" has WAY more implications stand alone than it does with the kissing like I feel like

[@demi-femme4821]

From what I've gathered, Disney S&P is just like 5 boomers and one intern.

[@dookiegobbler9706]

@@demi-femme4821 But the boomers are down worse than the Mariana Trench

[@HenshinFanatic]

@@demi-femme4821 hah, you think they'd only use one -slave- I mean intern.

[@udgeyjudge4289]

And "Not S&P Approved" also has more implications than "bottles will be spun"!

[@AntonGudenus]

@@udgeyjudge4289 "Not S&P Approved" coupled with "no photos better show up online" sounds like a full blown fetish swinger party

[@mylesfoxx1383]

He really said “they’re just friends” to get Disney off his back like a historian 😂

[@theReincarnate]

and they were roommates

[@E_2the_mma]

Now I need someone to see a cover of history hates lovers but as Disney hates lovers with the video being about Blubs and Durland

[@RaineMcLean]

The opposite of Laurens and Hamilton 😂

[@FiftyStates5]

Hi, historian here. We don't do that. That joke is idiotic and ignorant

[@Fucisko]

@@FiftyStates5 nah

[@sirfrenchfries]

"Please revise Soos' line about dressing as a teddy bear." Says the company who made Zootopia

[@tahrey]

And has multiple theme parks _filled with people dressed in anthropomorphic mascot suits._

[@lyria261]

I love how these things were considered problematic but mabel getting high on smile dip and blood pouring out of posessed wall mounted animal heads in the spooky northwest episode was fine

[@sterlingmuse5808]

To be fair, that scene with the blood came out in late 2014 during season 2, and season 2 as a whole was able to get away with a lot more than season 1 had (probably because the show was proven to sell at that point.)

[@gyleymaskey]

Every instance of blood in Gravity Falls is canonically "jam" see: the first episode and how this excuse was used for the entire show. Dipper: Are you bleeding, Norman? Norman: It's jam! Honestly genius I have no idea how he was able to get away with that.

[@xXYannuschXx]

@@sterlingmuse5808 S&P "Sorry, we cant approve " Disney overlords "Sorry S&P, but Gravity Falls is too popular now, you have to take it down a notch" S&P " has been approved by S&P"

[@anopirsten7565]

It probably also had a few censorships, just that Alex hasn't decided to share them

[@ZoewithanE_]

The fact that two men hugging was problematic but multiple severed heads through out the shows runtime was fine is some of the funniest shit to me

[@AM_I_Able]

**begins furiously thinking about each severed head I've seen throughout the series**

[@theviniso]

That's just how it's always been in American media. Gore and violence are ok, while sex is a big no-no. It's interesting actually, you'd think it would be the opposite in any healthy society but here we are.

[@someguy9496]

“any healthy society” what? Sex is taboo in many societies that are “healthy”. There’s the idea of desire and lust with sex that isn’t understood by children whereas death or violence is something even a child can comprehend.

[@CWINDOWSsystem32]

@@someguy9496 We clearly have an unhealthy relationship with violence in this country though. Just look at how many mass shootings there are every week.

[@zerekneterval]

​@@theviniso it's deeply rooted religion. And it's not really just sec anymore, but specifically anything gay. I went to my local theater not long ago, have never had to show my I'd for gore, but cuz the movie had a guy "sex" scene if you can even call it that. Me and my family got confronted by a Karen who wouldn't let us in cuz I had a 16 year old sister with me. Like wtf, the sex scenes were clothed and literally more wholesome and funny than anything I've ever seen. Smh

[@bad-girl-coventhe-owl-club1119]

Funny how Disney's whole deal is being "family-friendly" yet they constantly went out of their way to stretch at any s3xual references in just about every mundane thing Alex's team wrote.

[@larrythelobster1595]

For real. They're the only ones looking st this stuff and thinking those things.

[@E_Lane817]

Honestly, Teens playing spin the bottle! The horror. What if my children saw this after watching NCIS with grandad all weekend.

[@larniieplayz6285]

Okay?

[@god_2.0_the_better_version]

Hello! Most of you may not be familiar with this commenter, as they are mainly seen on TOH videos, so allow me to enlighten you. It is either a bot or group of people, most likely a group of people, but almost all of the comments are copy pasted. Either from the same video or other ones. The account has yet to ever respond to replies either, so unless it does, I will continue believing that *every* comment it posts is copy pasted, and not just *some.*

[@sander303]

Glad to know they have a counterpart to the Amphibia one

[@castlebyerslives7021]

honestly, the things alex WAS able to get away with are pretty impressive considering this video

[@micahscott3895]

"I'VE GOT SOME CHILDREN I NEED TO MAKE INTO CORPSES"-Bill Cipher 2016

[@castlebyerslives7021]

@@micahscott3895 “how about instead i shuffle the function of every hole in your face” 😃😃😃

[@camdencarver4176]

These shows would be SO much better if Disney didnt reject anything even remotely able to be concidered "offensive". I can tell you that 12 year old me would have CACKLED at seeing a monkey shot into a basketball hoop, especially since it would've proceeded seeing an entire party of people get turned to wood and beg for their lives. But no, throwing a mokey? Not family friendly.

[@demi-femme4821]

It's a party of rich people, S&P, of course they're going to be awful.

[@AzureMoebius22]

Want to see a valid counter to stuff like this. Watch Duckman's comedy rant. What he says is beyond true.

[@lilyb7440]

Disney in July: We love LGBT! We're super inclusive! Disney when two men hug: *DESGUSTANG*

[@DakotaofRaptors]

Andy Mac aside, I guess only female same-sex couples are welcome?

[@-x_i_x-3506]

More accurately, when two men say hi to each other

[@davisdf3064]

When two men acknowledge their existence

[@histhoryk2648]

because only woman can be gay -Disney

[@bananabed9492]

@@davisdf3064 when two men exist in a 30 mile radius of each other

[@N4meDoesntMatter]

The complaints are not just ridiculous but it just shows how dirty minded Disney employees really are.

[@ayf449]

I mean they are ADULTS trying to make sure "kids" shows don't have adult stuff in them. Maybe they should employ some middle schoolers or kids and see how they react before making final decisions about contacting people ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@aleksabanjevic8316]

Who the fuck instantly thinks of chub as something sexual, I'm just w8ing when u can't even say the planet uranus name on Disney (and not even as the "ur anus" joke, just saying the planets name)

[@dubbyplays]

No wonder employees at Disneyland get arrested for doing dirty stuff in public

[@Ginger_bit]

To be fair, it *is* the censors job to be like that. But also, it's a stupid job, has little place in creative writing, and they need to stop taking it so seriously. It's not our fault there aren't any publishers left on earth willing to make western animations for older teens.

[@alayakow]

It's more to prevent the people who could complain, you know the news articles that claim that cartoons are encouraging violence, animal abuse or "indoctrinating" kids over the most stupid things

[@kateb1127]

"'Not S&P approved' has been approved by the S&P" 😂

[@MrSchplingle79]

S+P: _Freaks out over "poopface"_ Also S+P: _Literally no issues with the "Ancient sins" scene_

[@wigligigly3375]

Oh god the bit with the animal heads yeah

[@charadreamuur7229]

@@wigligigly3375 Oh fuck yeah The animal head singing “ ancient sins and blackend skies,he who is dead shell once again rise!” Or something like that

[@rock6450]

@@charadreamuur7229 lol you were close Ancient blood and blackened skies, the forest dark shall once more rise.

[@HeatedBlizzard]

That was creepy

[@enderbragen1659]

@@charadreamuur7229 don't forget the blood dripping out of the mouth, ears, and eyes of said animal head's

[@karyocat1920]

I like to imagine that there's at least one really chill and cool guy who is part of S&P and saw the replacement line "Not S&P approved", laughed and pushed everyone else to approve it.

[@amadeosendiulo2137]

I think I've heard simillar 4th wall breaking jokes in older shows xDD

[@carywyble8434]

I just love that they rejected it st first. Theres literally no way to twist that into something inappropriate for kids but likely rejected it because it hurt their feelings. I remember South Park having issues with the FCC similar to this and wrote a song about how much the FCC sucks.....and they loved it.

[@Gorypaladin346]

@@carywyble8434 that was family guy not south park

[@HaydrogenBomb]

Just wait. In 10 years or so, we'll find out what crap Dana Terrace had to deal with while making The Owl House.

[@squeaks5677]

Pg 60 - S&P is not ok with gay.

[@luxill0s]

“They’re… buddies” “S&P has approved of it in this context”

[@danboru_bakooo1966]

Pg 327 please revise the line "EAT DIRT BELOS!!" it could send the wrong message the viewers

[@plantyt3246]

Oh my god I couldn’t even imagine

[@SPLARKK]

oh lord

[@toluguy]

My favorite bit in the show is Grunkle Stan being a "Pug Trafficker", it makes me laugh everytime I realized how the joke flew over my head as a kid

[@crows_are_superior4464]

Disney: those two cops give off the vibe that they are gay Alex Hirsch: yeah cause they are gay

[@hairlessgrizzly559]

I like that he basically just confirmed in it the last episode Just a middle finger to the censors clutching their pearls when gay people breath the same atmosphere as them

[@crows_are_superior4464]

@@hairlessgrizzly559 gotta love Alex Hirsch

[@hairlessgrizzly559]

@@crows_are_superior4464 Alex Hirsch is so based ong frfr no cap

[@5t1ck3y.1z.k3wl]

“Buddies…yeah..”

[@foxtwixx]

"people are gay, steve"

[@lizdee3243]

"THE DEVIL ISNT REAL" has got to be one of the funniest business arguments I've ever seen

[@SourTb]

Funniest *and* stupidest too. Not an actual defense and it's incredibly disrespectful too. Two in one, woooo!

[@quintencornelissen2274]

Well its true there is no real proof of there being a god or a devil its just a book

[@SourTb]

@@quintencornelissen2274 proving something greater than ourselves exists or not is something incredibly difficult if not borderline impossible. I personally don't even believe in God. Or at least I don't think I believe, since I'm agnostic. But that doesn't change the fact that bluntly claiming your own personal beliefs on the nature of the universe are law and that everyone should bent to it while not caring at all what they believe is incredibly dickish. Also, ironic how he, I assume, bases on science to claim the devil doesn't exist while he actively supports LGBTQ+ where they so hardly defend the outdated concept of gender while it's a stupid social construct based entirely on "tHe PeOpLe'S fEeLiNgS" with little to no regard of actual science. So... "Shitting on people's beliefs and feelings is only funny and justified when it's something I don't believe in." Great.

[@0BucketMask0]

@@SourTb Alex is Jewish. There is no hell or devil in the Jewish faith. Go read a book about world theology. Your religion isn't the default.

[@SourTb]

@@0BucketMask0 I love how you say *my* religion where I specifically mentioned I'm agnostic and therefore don't inherently believe in any particular religion but still respect them nonetheless, which was the point of my comment. Gotta love when people don't read/don't know basic concepts.

[@blapis-blazuli]

It's really telling how out of touch Disney's censors must be for any of these to be seen as a notable issue. How much did Hirsch have to fight for the more horrifying things that ended up on the show if they were concerned about using the word "poopface"? I'm surprised he had the patience to put up with two seasons of that nonsense. (Also, who the hell had to *tell* S&P that "hoo-ha" is slang for vagina?)

[@garrettcooper58]

They probably use urban dictionary to come up with all this bs

[@derpycats8072]

Nah Disney isn’t out of touch. They really would get bombarded with complaints over the tiniest things. Growing up, I had a friend who wasn’t allowed to watch most cartoons (including SpongeBob) because of “inappropriate language”. Heck I wasn’t even allowed to say “that sucks” in their house

[@RPTRxCrosshairs]

@@derpycats8072 bro that sucks

[@si-ruskuek1113]

@@derpycats8072 that really sucks *p*alls

[@anna-flora999]

I think he mentioned at some point that they had no problem with the horrifying stuff

[@w.dgaster1635]

When I hear Alex's Arguments I always imagine a older version of Dipper arguing

[@h4nn4h48]

gotta love how they refused the term Lucifer even tho Bill is basically a god/devil/demon. also gotta love Alex being a gigachad edit: not to be that person but why did so many people like this?

[@Lepper36]

One of the Classic Disney villains in Cinderella had a cat named Lucifer, so...

[@mittermatter3184]

bill is referred to a one-eyed demon a lot more than just once

[@myns8861]

@@Lepper36 not to mention, Disney's third classic movie has a villain who is literally a metaphor for Satan himself. Also, I'm sure their whining over the devil extends to any mention of hell (if it was I completely forgot)? One of the villains in another one of their classic movies falls into a pit of hellfire and another one gets dragged there by his "friends."

[@kingofchaos5672]

Listen to me demon Gideon Turn around and look at me you one eyed demon Grunkle Stan Lil Gideon uses a mind demon Description of dreamscaperers

[@digitalunity]

I don't understand who's side Disney is on. - No devil - Yes Demons - No Gays - All the Gays - Fund anti Gay legislation - Promote pride with gay characters everywhere - No implications of people kissing - Show kisses on screen multiple times - No references to sex terms - A bunch of sexual references in all their media - Nothing Evil please - Witches? Good shit good shit! The inconsistency on their censorship is more befuddling than their inconsistent stances on human rights and respect for the population. Is Walt Disney's frozen head still telling them to make antisemitic material to feed his hatred in the basement of the Disney animation studios? What's the deal here?

[@nicobones9608]

And he still managed to get stuff through like, "Dude, you're laying on my bra." And "I got the best seat in the house." "YEAH, you do!" "You'll know what it's like to be used for YOUR body!" "Let's read this one. Werewolf Bare Chest!"

[@Badgerinary]

I wonder whats so horrifying about dippers search history?

[@sweetbubblegum55]

"now you know where babys come from"

[@panpolypuff]

“Dude, you’re laying on my bra.” Somehow even Disney S&P can’t justify being mad about the existence of underwear. Despite what some people out there think, bras are *gasp* not inherently sexual. Hooray for their common sense on that one.

[@vicenzostella1390]

And of course, "Wait, I'm alone. I can swear for real! *inhale* SON OF A-!!!!!!!!"

[@seantaggart7382]

​@@panpolypuff yeah! But FURRIES!? *cue laugh track* THEY MADE THEM

[@tobypitton4839]

The whole spin the bottle thing is even funnier when you remember that Alex made bill's friends play spin the bottle during weirdmagedon

[@kylepangilinan9075]

It's even more hilarious since they were playing it with a petrified person, which implies that the censors see the bottle as the main potential source of bad implications

[@iantaakalla8180]

Did they assume they were playing a drinking game of Spin the Bottle or something?

[@laurainathunderstorm]

​@@iantaakalla8180 no, from the word make out party being in quotations I can assume they thought someone would liken it to an underage orgy and they would get complaints.

[@andrewlance3898]

Also Mabel plays Spin The Pig in season 1

[@bonedude666]

NONONONOnononono, that was Spin The *Person.* HUGE difference.

[@magmarxiogaming6717]

2:52 this one is easily the stupidest and most hypocritical of them. Cinderella, one of the most iconic films under disney's umbrella has a cat that is named Lucifer AND EVEN RETURNS IN THE DIRECT TO DVD SEQUELS, THERE IS NO EXCUSE HERE FOR THEM.

[@francovilla4205]

"What's a "make out party" and where can I find one?" God, that S&P guy probably is still embarrassed reading that line. Alex killed them with style 😂😂

[@heyhoe168]

Are you sure it was not first, the dumb versions of AI?

[@Wurtoz9643]

@@heyhoe168It was *A*

[@super_starr]

Disney: makes furry movies Also Disney: we can’t cater to the FURRIES all they do is bang in animal costumes!!!

[@mosshealy3280]

Disney really turned people into furries with Robin Hood and Zootopia and then just abandoned them

[@eriottomakurashi]

They meant that wearing an animal fursuit is… a fetish, from the mouse himself; BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAh this must be the most ironic piece of shit i have ever heard on my life

[@GrandmasterDevo]

@@eriottomakurashi More hypocritical than ironic, but yeah.

[@JacklynBurn]

@@eriottomakurashi Yeah, it's just such a weird, roundabout way for them to announce they're sundowning the non-human Meet n' Greets....

[@Kirikirikiru]

@@mosshealy3280 Disney really tried to "smash and dash"

[@alexandersean4708]

2:46 Remember, Disney LITERALLY HAS A CHARACTER NAMED LUCIFER. Lady Tremaine’s cat is named Lucifer.

[@ezero0929]

Alex Hirsch is probably one of the very few people that makes sense around the Disney industry

[@Salt_Master_Queue]

The "Not S&P Approved" one is actually kinda funny to think about because someone in S&P had to go, "Okay, that's actually cleaver and funny. I'm gonna let it pass."

[@jessiehogue.]

You sure they even understood what was going on there? From their other responses, I'd say they are far too disconnected from reality, delusional and abysmally dumb that they couldn't possibly understand the funny part there. Plus they were still arguing until he said he 'didn't see the problem there'.

[@lcnevius]

Honestly hearing that Alex had to go through this many and more obstacles at Disney, sadly reminds me all to well of the crap at my job. Not to get on a rant, but seriously it's stupid anymore. They tell us to clean and organize our shelves and register, but then turn 360 and yell at us for cleaning and organizing too much. These corporate companies are so full of crap anymore, and they absolutely don't give a damn about their employees at all. Once again, I do apologize for the rant and thank you Alex for Gravity Falls. Happy 10 year Anniversary!

[@matthewdewey3579]

Don't worry, I get that. I'm dealing with the same thing too. Just helps to get it out sometimes.

[@polocatfan]

Sue them. if they're getting mad at you for following direct orders that's 100% not acceptable.

[@lcnevius]

@@polocatfan trust me as much as I would love too, it wouldn't work. Others at my store have tried and failed. Ironically enough where I work if you go ang complain about them, they end up coaching you and saying your the problem, not them. It's complete bullshit.

[@thediam0nddrag0n78]

My sister told me her first job paid terribly and that the manager would take money from the tip jar

[@hayond656]

I'm so confused with the usage of "Anymore" in this paragraph "stupid anymore" "Full of crap anymore" Huh?

[@lumpyduckling3522]

So did disney just forget that they have a cat literally named Lucifer in one of their most well known and beloved films or is the censor board just stupid?

[@yosefdemby8792]

Probably both.

[@lumpyduckling3522]

@@yosefdemby8792 yeah that’s definitely it

[@sonofjack6286]

Stupid, which is why they forget about the older movies.

[@linhero797]

Well the movoe was made in like what, the late 1930s? Who are they gonna punish for the violation in the movie? The corpse of Walt Disney?

[@yosefdemby8792]

@@linhero797 Actually, 1951. Over a decade off the mark.

[@Lambda_Ovine]

the "not s&p approved" is oddly even more suggestive lmao, it implies that EVERYTHING that the s&p would disapprove is going to be done there lmao

[@mafiablokes]

It sickens me that Disney have the cheek to to add Gravity Falls to their “Pride Collection” on Disney+ when, if they had their way, there would be absolutely NO LGBTQ+ representation on Gravity Falls. It’s so blatantly hypocritical and obvious that they’re pretending to be inclusive to make money…

[@fractiouslemon]

I find it hilarious because Blubs and Durland's relationship is handled as a joke throughout the series. It's a silly running gag about these two guys who come off as oddly affectionate to each other and even when they get to the "mad with love" bit at the end, it's more of a punchline to their outrageous behavior than any kind of validation. That's like including any movie or TV show where a character dresses in drag as a joke and claiming it's supporting transvestites.

[@dasboot4216]

Fr where is there not so secret gay agenda

[@oxinestechbr7333]

i would do the same for the money.

[@margotpreston]

@@fractiouslemon Just say trans people mate. Transvestite is massively outdated and more than a little transphobic.

[@vocondus]

That’s literally every company ever. It’s a company, which isn’t even a sentient entity, but people say “the business” supports whatever.

[@deede2378]

Poor Alex. This is literally the dumbest complaints from a company ive ever heard. If this keeps going, “Gosh” and “Darn it” will soon be deemed too rebellious or inappropriate for Disney. Relax and just let the guy make his show!!!

[@cliffordsherman7702]

I’m triggered by your wanton and unrestrained use of “Gosh” in this public forum. Please consider “Gee willickers” going forward.

[@spootymaniacs]

@@cliffordsherman7702 s&p has decided that "gee willickers" is deemed offensive as it has sexual connotations, we will not elaborate what it means.

[@beywheelzhater8930]

@@spootymaniacs "sexual connotations" has bad meaning, no say, not s&p approved

[@JustinTK416]

@@beywheelzhater8930 “Not S&P approved” can be extrapolated to refer to matters that relate in some fashion to material that may possibly be inappropriate to younger viewers. Please instead use a term or phrase that does not indicate interpretable abnormality of such variety.

[@beywheelzhater8930]

@@JustinTK416 "abnormality" indicates something may be not right, which may be frightening to younger audiences

[@clubedanarrativa5603]

I love how they rather change words than actual scenes. It's like they think people pay more attention to dialogue (or at least parents). Because none of those lines come near to the violence in that one scene when Bill switched Preston's eyes for ears and eyes for mouth and he just kept screaming in agony.

[@Bloodlyshiva]

Given how people jump on anything for rage and or theories, they're in the right here. The fandom is absurd, and what people will jump on is also absurd.

[@clubedanarrativa5603]

@@Bloodlyshiva Please, any word that is not a swearing doesn't have to be replaced. People use religious slangs all of the time, a child is already exposed to it. Also, animal "violence" is something children watch in a Road Runner cartoon. People can get annoyed by it, but they're not in the right. And again, there are a lot more violent stuff in the show that were not censured by Disney and i consider too fucked-up even for adults.

[@chrisnotpratt1903]

​@@clubedanarrativa5603 And let's not forget that this is the same company currently allowing children to still watch Snow White or currently has movies/show with magic in them, which is usually accused of witchcraft by religious people.

[@clubedanarrativa5603]

@@chrisnotpratt1903 Gravity Falls also features actual demons and a place called "The Nightmare Realm". Also ghosts, things some people find offensive because of spiritism.

[@Mystery-pd6jc]

@@Bloodlyshiva you did not watch the entire video. There's literally a section where Alex Hirsch argues directly against what you're claiming because, to paraphrase, "being held hostage by what someone might say about some surface level joke is stupid because we can argue against such complaints with reason"

[@Bowling4986]

4:25 You're telling me Disney won't let Alex even suggest a spin the bottle yet they're perfectly fine with letting marcy get stabbed through the chest??

[@natelikesfun]

considering the whole true colors delay situation, i wouldn't say * perfectly * fine lol

[@Bowling4986]

@@natelikesfun wasn't aware of said delay situation lol, guess there was some pushback but still they let it go with a warning at the beginning of the episode (and who knows maybe some small changes)

[@fractiouslemon]

"Why should we be held hostage to whatever imaginary knee-jerk career complainers who would conceivably go out of their way to pretend to be offended by this?" --Alex Hirsch I just discovered this quote today and I want to ingrain it into my memory for future use.

[@EskChan19]

This sums up basically all of Twitter and I love it.

[@darkone.....2699]

Well, you can go out n get a tattoo of it, but that's gonna be a lot of pain just to have a quote ingrained

[@davidturney2975]

@@darkone.....2699 might be worth it

[@cardnal44]

......... *Will review in context.*

[@razor8191]

Considering how many adults and adolescents are fans of Disney, it makes you wonder if they’ll ever let loose and diversify their content based on age.

[@larniieplayz6285]

Deadpool 3?

[@spootymaniacs]

probably not until those old potatos currently in s&p are gone and replaced by other people that actually will censor inappropriate content instead of mundane things like "poopface"

[@mccormack570]

As an explaination for why that won't happen until Disney has a complete restructuring, is that each film, cartoon, and anything else has a specific age bracket they're categorised into, and each age category receives funding based on how much money those categories produces. For example, if 15 year olds were responsible for 25% of Disney revenue, Disney would alot 24%~ of their budget to media made for 15 year olds. The issue arises when a show made for 8-15 year olds (Gravity falls), also has a large chunk of 21 year olds watching it. Meaning that show would be carrying the weight of funding both age categories while only receiving funding for media in the 8-15 category. Obviously the corporate heads of that category don't want to be carrying the weight of a different category while not being funded for it, so they'll do stuff like the things in this video to prevent 21 year olds from being able to enjoy the show. Obviously, anyone working on the show hates to intentionally make their show unenjoyable for a group of people, but corporations are gonna corporate

[@gradient5319]

@@spootymaniacs Hmmmmm and I can imagine most shows are made knowing what rules they're under and will try to fit the show under those rules, maybe try their chances with some things, idk, but if censorship just pays attention to actual inappropriate things, their jobs may be almost useless... Now there's an important part of their jobs, for real, and that is making sure there are no slip-ups on things that could be interpreted wrong.

[@gradient5319]

But then again, a lot of these complains in the video are not justified since the actual meaning is very clear

[@emeraldviqueen]

the Blubs and Durland bit will never not be hysterical. Alex didnt so much sneak them in past the homophobic censors as he gaslit them into agreeing they were simply "buddies"

[@epicsponge7934]

They were buddies I thought it was just funny. Their relationship is way more entertaining if their just buddies.

[@misspinkrainbow5856]

@@epicsponge7934I personally find it funnier if it’s completely ambiguous, you don’t know if they just like each other or like each other

[@snuffyd2973]

✨“Roommates” ✨

[@duckonaroll1913]

​@misspinkrainbow5856 it is my (correct) opinion that they are as homie as you can get without going into the gay zone, like kissing goodnight which is what real ones do

[@misspinkrainbow5856]

@@duckonaroll1913 fair enough, I like that. Though I like to see it as a non platonic relationship but that could be the gay talking.

[@emmelplayz]

“Not S&P approved has been approved by S&P”💀

[@PWaldo-lw2ds]

The thing that I love most about this, is that it reveals that the Disney censors look at all of this stuff OUT of context before considering it as being IN context, as seen in the response at 3:40. That's so in-character for Disney.

[@elgordobondiola]

The media usually takes stuff out of context.

[@irasac1]

The show isn't watched out of context. The kids who watch a whole episode of a show won't be harmed by an out of context phrase

[@VagineerHuur]

Trouble is caused by people not knowing context. Disney wants to make money, and they don't want their cartoons getting complaints from dumb parents or randomly getting banned in foreign countries because they couldn't be bothered to know a context from a cartoon before doing those things

[@davidkonevky7372]

Alex Hirsch is one of the few writers/animators that holds disney accountable for their stupid restrictions and hypocritical statements

[@不只是谁所无名找小二]

Writer/Scriptwriter, and im hella glad he fought with disney as much as he did

[@p1nksvbl1m1nals6]

Him and Dana Terrace!

[@noodle6852]

It’s not so much that he’s one of the few, it’s that he’s one of the few that had enough power to fight back and not get pushed down for trying.

[@tadbitsketch]

Disney's most iconic character is quite literally an anthropomorphic mouse. Ah, I love irony.

[@Thecoolmeister2005]

And people get paid to dress up as said mouse at Disney world

[@icel8828]

When you look at the furry fandoms history. Disney has been against us for decades

[@wolfmantheimpaler]

Some of their biggest movies and 90's cartoons lead to the creation of a lot of furries

[@icel8828]

@@wolfmantheimpaler yes. And they wish they didn’t

[@colbyboucher6391]

@@icel8828 They also made Zootopia, a movie they announced with a trailer explaining the definition of the term "anthropomorphic" as if specifically to seperate them from traditonal funny animals. Zootopia was made by a bunch of furries.

[@OsmSkylandersCheats]

2:40 the cat in Cinderella is literally named Lucifer

[@Blaze_Nights]

Right

[@tahrey]

It's a shame he was too busy actually making the show and having to respond to all the other complaints to have any spare time to drag the mousecorp archives and find all of their existing, still ruthlessly monetised properties that have similarly "problematic" (or far worse) characters and situations in them to hold up as precedent. (And yeah, maybe standards have changed, but if so, maybe you shouldn't be selling the older titles with those issues in any more? ... hmm, maybe that's the real drive behind all the CGI "re-imaginings" of their classic 2D stuff?) And in any case, how is that even problematic in the first place? There's plenty of other cartoons, almost certainly including Disney ones, which have devilish depictions in them. And very definitely bible-bashing toons must have some mention in there, even if just as a boogeyman. If perhaps they were clearly promoting the commonly held idea of what satanic practices are, there might be some paperthin grounds for the argument, but just having a character called that isn't really any harm.

[@dizzydial8081]

The funniest thing about this is all those things they tried to change would be noticed by adults instead of children. I remember going back and watching various shows and noticing all the adult jokes I missed. My parents never explained them to me so I never noticed. Kid shows sometimes had adult jokes because adults usually had to sit in the same room as their children while they watched, and adults needed to be entertained, too. That concept was definitely lost to these "S+P" people.

[@Laezar1]

To be fair, disney doesn't care about children, they only care about parents being upset about what their children are watching. They'd sacrifice millions of children in a lovecraftian ritual if it gave them an extra penny.

[@jyousemorenoeng]

The thing is, sometimes, parents REALLY like to complain because their media is not "Christian" enough

[@Freedmoon44]

​@@jyousemorenoengwell this is on them, the Bible is not the constitution, adult jokes arent illegal, nor are religion jokes, especially for state where religion and governement are separated

[@The_Dragon_Tiamat]

@@Freedmoon44 Correction where religion and government SHOULD be separated. By law it says they can't but that gets ignored a lot.

[@legometaworld2728]

Makes sense but despite the fact that the jokes aren't gonna get noticed by kids, they sometimes go so far with adult appeal that they lose sight of the kid audience. I can't remember a single joke in Shrek, Bee Movie, Animaniacs, or Rocco's Modern Life that I can see a kid understanding tbh. Gravity Falls didn't have that issue, though, even some of the jokes that S&P objected to like "poopface" would be hilarious to kids.

[@sirhenrymorgan1187]

Walt’s rolling in his grave! The man himself HATED the idea that animation was just “kid stuff”, and always wanted to push the boundaries of what animation was capable of. Night on Bald Mountain, Pink Elephants on Parade, Bambi’s mom, etc. Fantasia was Disney’s first film made primarily for adults, the stuff Walt always wanted to make in the first place. Fantasia was Walt’s dream project, and he was utterly crushed and devastated that it wasn’t a financial success… If your company’s founder and namesake’s magnum opus was Night on Bald Mountain, a cartoon centered around the Satanic Chernabog and his Hellish minions (including harpies with exposed, nippled breasts!), S+P has no excuse to get offended over “poopface”… BTW, how in the world did some of Disney's early stuff get past the 1930s/1940s censors!? This was the era when the Hays Code was strictly enforced, yet Disney animation got away with a LOT of stuff the Hays Code had banned (Pinocchio's villains getting away with their crimes, the nudity in Night on Bald Mountain, etc.). Perhaps even back then, the industry didn't take animation seriously and never bothered to enforce the Hays Code for a buncha "silly cartoons". The more things change, the more they stay the same... Edit: to the people accusing Walt of antisemitism: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Disney#Personality_and_reputation "Disney has been accused of antisemitism for having given Nazi propagandist Leni Riefenstahl a tour of his studio a month after Kristallnacht, something he disavowed three months later, claiming he was unaware who she was when he was issued the invitation. None of Disney's employees-including the animator Art Babbitt, who disliked Disney intensely-ever accused him of making antisemitic slurs or taunts. The Walt Disney Family Museum acknowledges that ethnic stereotypes common to films of the 1930s were included in some early cartoons but also points out that Disney donated regularly to Jewish charities, was named "1955 Man of the Year" by the B'nai B'rith chapter in Beverly Hills, and his studio employed a number of Jews, some of whom were in influential positions.” “Neal Gabler, the first writer to gain unrestricted access to the Disney archives, concludes that the available evidence does not support accusations of antisemitism and that Disney was "not [antisemitic] in the conventional sense that we think of someone as being an antisemite". Gabler concludes that "though Walt himself, in my estimation, was not antisemitic, nevertheless, he willingly allied himself with people who were antisemitic [meaning some members of the MPAPAI], and that reputation stuck. He was never really able to expunge it throughout his life, even when Disney distanced himself from the MPAPAI in the 1950s."

[@lesserdad]

Maybe it got through because hays code was for live action and not fiction ? Or maybe they didn't expand it until after walt made his movies .was going to say I don't think they had major infractions of hays code anyways

[@fractiouslemon]

Frankly, the only things Walt REALLY cared about were money and a never-ending rage about losing Oswald the Rabbit that drove him into fits of schizophrenic insanity. His company is now the most powerful in the world and owns the rights to Oswald once and for all. He'd be thrilled.

[@TheKingsPride]

To be fair, Walt also hated Jews, so maybe cool it on the hero worship.

[@phoonwax]

This entire comment has ballooned into a very long comment, so I don't blame you for completely ignoring what could have been a very short comment, replying to another very short comment, I just felt like touching every base of the argument. I basically just said that you shouldn't ignore what someone has to say just because they have a problematic belief that has nothing to do with the conversation. @@TheKingsPride He was also born in the 1900s, likely with a family that had those kind of beliefs, it's easy to see someone from that time and say that's problematic, but it was also a condition of being raised in the 1900s. His more timeless beliefs shouldn't be ignored just because he hated a minority group/s, (He might've hated more, I'm honestly not that knowledgeable on Walt, I just felt like going on a rant about how we shouldn't ignore what someone has to say about something just because they have problematic beliefs) we still idolize people who owned slaves for their more noteworthy achievements, and ignore the fact they were slave owners because they actually had something to say other than that they believed that a minority was less than a human. I'm not trying to say that hating jews isnt problemstic, far from it, it leads to a problematic mindset of holding one set of people higher than another, and in turn, cause a seperation between individuals, but that has nothing to do with what someone thinks animation should and could be. Seperate art from the artist as they say, we can look at people almost as if dissecting them, admire the parts that made them good, and admonish what made them bad. Now, I've got a Dad who's incredibly skeptic, he once went on a whole talk about how paper money was going to be out of date in the next 4 years, (It was about 2017 he said that) and how the economy was going to be vastly changed, do I think he's a little crazy? yeah. Do I still love him despite his craziness? of course, he has plenty of other things going for him.

[@IvanGarcia-ld1gn]

Do you mean spinning in his Cryo-Pod?

[@potatochipclips]

Disney: "we are very loving and accepting of LGBTQ+ members" Also Disney: "make sure the two very rare side character cops, that probably have an hour of screen time throughout the whole series, don't look gay at all or show any sign of even minor affection. We don't want to risk the bag here."

[@potatochipclips]

@@huguesdepayens807 why, you can tell a child "mommy and daddy love each other very much and they get married and have you" that is ok completely separate of any sexual context. Why can't you just say "well a man and a man (or a woman and woman) can love each other the same way that mommy and daddy love each other". It doesn't have to be sexual at all. They sure aren't sexual in this show nor in really any other kids show on Disney +.

[@huguesdepayens807]

@@potatochipclips stfu, I'm not reading that.

[@sweetypuss]

@@huguesdepayens807 so, by that same logic, they shouldn't show any depictions of relationships at all.

[@huguesdepayens807]

@@sweetypuss No, normal relationships between men and women are fine.

[@nightmime8397]

@ClockWithDaW No, not Giga Chad. Real men respect others regardless of their sexual orientation.

[@EngineMusic]

the "not S&P aprooved" joke is so weird, because a few episodes ago, stan would make a spin the bottle joke. Disney S&P are so weird

[@Pixelusually]

The second episode

[@kingkazm]

"It may call to mind the people who dress up as stuffed animals as a furry fetish." Makes/endorses zootopia, a movie about anthropomorphic animals living as humans, ducktales, a show abojt anthropomorphic ducks and other animals, and a plethora of other anthropomorphic animal shows that would definitely draw the attention of the furry COMMUNITY (not fetish) which in turn would draw attention to furries as a whole. Corps like disney irritate me for their double standards.

[@junebunny0712]

Yeah, that excuse was complete BS.

[@solo_product357]

Also the face of their brand is literally an anthropomorphic mouse

[@pompe221]

Disney: NO FURRIES! Also Disney: anthropomorphic animal mascots all over their parks Also also Disney: "Zootopia"

[@alexvives1335]

Disney, a company whose mascot is an anthropomorphic mouse, doesn't want any furrie references in one of their own shows. Makes perfect sense.

[@valtaoi9767]

It’s even funnier when you take in mind that Disney’s undoubted mascot, Mickey Mouse, is an anthropomorphic character

[@noiwontsignyourarmpit5263]

The rant about how "Lucifer" isn't offensive being followed up by a simple "Will review in context." is golden.

[@kid10249595]

I like how they sexualized most of this more than the actual show and people watching did and ever would. It's amusing the lengths people will go to tie something to something else that is totally unrelated.

[@ntfoperative9432]

It honestly says Alot about their maturity

[@Ambatakum9284]

Excuse me but the word ‘unrelated’ in your sentence can be taken in offense as it’s definition is ‘suicide’ please change your comment as it is offensive to anybody who is suicidal. joke btw

[@kid10249595]

@@Ambatakum9284 how is the word unrelated connected to suicide, I was using the word and phrase unrelated to show how stupid your censorships have been. If you want I can say unlinked instead, or maybe even immaterial.

[@CreperbossAngel]

Dude, are you stupid? The guy was joking!

[@sportsfan8404]

i mean on one end you can’t expect for Disney to give you a show budget and then expect for them to be completely hands off but it is a little unreasonable at points

[@StarflameCrimsonOfficial]

I think it's funny how Robbie spraying "Weiners" on the Putt castle and going off screen, only for the Putt King to notice him and say "Hey those are lewd hand gestures!" managed to get S&P approved.

[@RollerBaller]

Disney gives me the vibes of the teachers that tell girls to cover their shoulders because "it's distracting". Not everyone has such a filthy brain as some of these businessmen (derogatory).

[@everthon2457]

(derogatory) gotta be the funniest text thing of recent internet

[@loonathesquare_up22]

@ClockWithDaW literally proving op's point lol

[@CrystalRose1111]

@ClockWithDaW Ok so you see underage girls shoulders as sexual? Yes officers, this comment right here

[@remobothic]

"It's distracting" is just school district-ese for "stop trying to wear adult fashions, even outside the pseudo-professional context of the school institution you're dressing like a retard"

[@_DMNO_]

@@CrystalRose1111 you support underage girls wearing less clothing? yes officers, this comment right here

[@MyUsernameIsGoofy]

I really love how Disney is so serious in comparison to Alex Like i can imagine them having a conversation going something like: - I ate a slice of pizza - Please inform me why you purchased this source of nutrition in the form of a triangle - I was hungry - Was your feeling of starvation so giant that you needed to obtain this very unhealthy consumable, instead of waiting until you've arrived at your place of living, then forming a healthier food? - I was too lazy

[@sanji1259]

kudos mate, you are hired

[@CatKat4008]

you perfectly nailed how disney executives would speak, I love it

[@andrewlance3898]

Imagine a Pinocchio movie where Jiminy Cricket talks like the Disney executives

[@argonicapple]

fourth comments grammar errors ruin the joke.. i'd say Was your body so overwhelmed by starvation

[@Yoonzino_1004]

You are awesome

[@Boop__Doop]

Alex Hirsch: let's make a show called "gravity falls". Disney: no because falls is insinuating someone is falling and potentially hurting themselves and or killing themselves if they fall from a considerable height thus calling the show "gravity falls" is like calling it "violent suicide by jumping of a building" Alex Hirsch:(responding with the most ground level of basic common sense)

[@Doyoueverwonderwhywerehere]

Response Alex hirsch: "it's the name of the town"

[@spacetechempire510]

@@Doyoueverwonderwhywerehere also Alex upswing am town as a example: butts Missouri, (there is litterly 3 US towns called butts and meany more that if Disney where to look would be ashamed of exist. It’s kinda surprising)

[@spacetechempire510]

There is literally dozens of inappropriate towns in the us alone

[@Doyoueverwonderwhywerehere]

@@spacetechempire510 I'm mean yea there's a city/town straight up named "hell's kitchen" I'm not joking look it up if Disney thinks the name gravity falls is inappropriate I don't what pack there on

[@josephdavis9234]

"This title may be considered offensive to the Flat-Earth community."