.308 Vs 6.5 Creedmoor The Ultimate Accuracy Showdown

[@EpikArms]

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[@calgarysparky]

I find no difference between my 6.5 and 308 for accuracy. Both shot like crap until I found what each liked. The 6.5 is a great range plinking round while the 308 goes to work. Most versatile is the 308 which can be loaded from 105gr to 220gr to take on any task. The 6.5 is not for anything bigger than a deer(remaining an ethical hunter) while the 308 can take anything in North America. Both can punch touching groups, both can reach out to 1km. If you need to buy only one rifle for everything, 308 all day long. Can't take a moose or elk at 400m with a 6.5. Decent vid though.

[@michaeltuttle8712]

Except 6.5 carries more energy longer distances and does it with greater accuracy. So, it's a better target shooter and better for hunting. 6..5 is without question the more versatile cartridge.

[@Zer0Edits00]

Many people have taken moose and elk with a 6.5 with no difference in terminal performance than the 308.. keep the bias to yourself

[@chadperry4021]

Well were I live there are no moose at 400 meters. Even if there were I still wouldn’t take a 308. Also 308 has no gas with bullets over 180 grains.

[@johnmajka5404]

The 6.5 Creedmoor carries 1500fpe of energy out to 500 yards with factory 147gr ELDM. Show me one factory 308 round that carries that much energy at 500 yards? Don't get me wrong, I love the 308 and own 2 308s one AR-10 & one bolt action,I also own a 6.5 Creedmoor AR-10 it's awesome. But if I could chose only one caliber for Deer, Elk,Bear, its hands down my 7mm-08 over both caliber's.

[@ajdube9967]

6.5 PRC...

[@Accuracy1st]

I've got many decades experience with factory and custom 308s but only about 19 months experience with the 6.5 CM and all of those are Tikka stainless T3x lite and superlite. The 3 Tikka 6.5CM outperformed every 308 I've ever shot and or owned and built with factory ammo and quite a variety of it. I just got three 308s built in the last year and despite top quality components it still took more effort to find a handload that shot to my satisfaction in 2 of them that are nearly identical. The 3rd is built on a Tikka action and it will shoot factory Norma Whitetail ammo in the 0.2s frequently. It took only 3 trips to the range to see what all the hype has been around the 6.5 Creedmoor. Extremely accurate cartridge. I'm pretty sure I'll always have a 308 around but for me, shooting, accuracy, and hunting, a 6.5CM is all that's needed for a deer or smaller game and there are plenty of hunters cleanly taking elk with it as well (not that I would). I've had much better luck getting all of our 270 Winchesters to shoot vs my 308s.

[@aberhan]

I have both. Regarding accuracy the 6.5 is inherently more accurate than the 308. For hunting at moderate to close range I still take the 308.

[@jzxwannabe2685]

The group sizes from the Ruger (specifically the .308 ) have me watching this video with extreme speculation. Those rifles are known to be exceptionally accurate, and I get better groups from my .308 semi autos with MOST ammo I put through them.

[@johnknouse8846]

Finally decided to give .308 another try a few months ago with a dedicated suppressor ready hunting rifle. Really made me appreciate my 6.5 creedmoor and 6 creedmoor. I can get sub MOA with my .308, but like your results, it’s inherently less precise than the creedmoor’s.

[@blainclatworthy5423]

As a Boomer, when comparing the 6.5 C and the .308, the shooter must decide if they are Target Shooting or Hunting. One must compare accuracy to energy of the round Downrange.

[@TheMrMused]

At 500yds, both carry roughly equal energy (ballpark of 1450ft/lbs). Below 500 yds, while the 308 may carry slightly more kinetic energy, it's overkill and can lead to overpenetration, depending on the species. Beyond 500yds, the 6.5CM carries more energy downrange and flies significantly flatter. The real difference comes from the ammunition selected. For the 6.5CM, you absolutely want a ballistic tip round that's guaranteed to expand and dump all that energy. If you're not, the additional velocity of the round may not lead to sufficient organ damage to rapidly drop the animal. This past whitetail season in NY, I hunted with a 6.5CM and my buddy hunted with a .308. We both filled our three tags. The .308 did *significantly* more damage to the animal, resulting in a lower meat yield from those three animals. Both cartridges dropped the deer efficiently, with the longest track being a 75yd, coming from the .308. One of the biggest differences was in follow-up shots. The felt recoil from the 6.5CM is significantly lower, to the point where I was able to take two doe in under 10 seconds, because I was able to maintain my eye in the glass, the rifle in my shoulder, chamber another round quickly, and the two animals were feet apart. Had I waited another second or two, the second animal would have surely bolted. The .308 couldn't stay on target due to the recoil (and this was through an AR-10, where a good chunk of the recoil is cycling the BCG and being absorbed by the buffer, while my 6.5CM is a Bergara B-14 HMR bolt action). I'd absolutely choose the 6.5CM and appropriate cartridge for elk, whitetail, mule deer, etc. I wouldn't choose either the 308 or the 6.5CM for moose. At the same time, within 125-150 yds, I have no problems taking a whitetail with a .223/5.56 and using a high shoulder shot. Both of my kids took one deer each with that caliber (coming out of a 20" barrel), using that targeting and both deer dropped right where they stood. Again, using a ballistic tip cartridge designed specifically for hunting. I've taken a field dressed doe that clocked in at 140# with that same .223/5.56 at 125yds using a traditional heart/lung shot. ..and I'm two years too young to be a Boomer.

[@VintageForagerBun1]

Its worth noting that across the 308 tests that the worst groups all came with the 178 gr hornady. The superformance varmint isnt particularly good either. I dont think it changes the overal result but its still interesting. Maybe quality control is just better on the 6.5 creedmore cartridge

[@shauno7582]

That chassis looks mint brother! 🦾

[@bmstylee]

I've got a 6.5 Creedmoor, 300 Winchester Magnum, and a 338 Lapua Magnum. The 6.5 is the first thing I give new shooters after rimfire stuff. My 6.5 weighs as much as a small moon so very soft shooting. The 300 Win Mag is an unpleasant thing to lay behind because it's about 11 lbs so it's snappy. It was my first venture into longer range work. The 338 was just because I wanted it. I'll probably never reach it's true potential but it's a lot of fun to shoot. I've yet to see one being significantly more accurate than the other. All 3 are sub minute with good ammo.

[@waynemayle865]

I never shot factory ammo in my 308 hand loads only 155gr sierra Palma 6.5 creedmoor never kept one long enough to work up a load for 6mm creedmoor on the other hand is one of my favorites

[@h4l414]

When I have built accurate rifles, I built the rifle around the load I wanted to use. Chamber, twist, etc ... All custom to the load. Worst case, build one to SGMM as it is the surest thing for production ammo ammo and have your rifle blueprinted

[@Lowballinoutdoorz]

Both are great.

[@SA-hh9mv]

Great review. Totally agree about 6.5 cm being most accurate. Better with wind drift and carrying energy out further. Only draw back with 6.5 cm is barrel life and shorter range energy. 7 PRC is similar in the magnum world.

[@12vibaba]

Have you ever burned out a barrel? most people don't during two lifetimes. Than again. What does a new barrel cost? 200 rounds of RWS costs more than a Sako Barrel. Its a non issue.

[@SA-hh9mv]

@@12vibaba I shoot roughly ~400 rounds per year of 6.5 mostly at the range. It would take 5-6 years. Then you buy another barrel. Not a big deal. Worth the inherent accuracy imo.

[@jameshalpin1580]

Just a question what is the shooting community doing about the gun bans it all seems very quiet there is any action going on

[@RoboDabo]

They do nothing. They're Canadians

[@EpikArms]

@jameshalpin1580 I beleive the CCFR is doing whatever they can, then again our only hope is an election. Pierre has previously promised to reverse it all. One can only hope. Then again a tremendous amount of damage was done

[@MartinDeano-n4v]

That's tyranny. Don't ever let the government take your firearms.

[@abadran8174]

James, I don't know what's happening, brother. People are just joking about it. Yes the memes are good but it looks like that's all we're going to do.

[@MartinDeano-n4v]

Don't ever let the government take you firearms

[@ryhtkj6681]

Good Ad for Kadex.

[@ampegor]

MY savage 110 tact in 308 is a one moa rifle with most loads and shot 168 GMM into two groups under 1/2". i may have got a good one not sure but i have a few friends still shooting 308 and their guns are all accurate to moa or better. MY gun might just shoot so well due to my discovery ed prs 5-25 hehe. thanks for the video - always love your stuff.

[@mattacedo]

Looking saucy dawg 😂 💪🏽

[@EpikArms]

lol I may or may not be a fake natty.

[@ltrbuhq]

Spent the last couple months here in MT looking for a 308 for my 9 yo old son, lots of 6.5s in stock but been very slim in the 308s at my local sporting good stores.

[@user-zg7zk2dy1m]

6.5cm will be better for a 9 year old, less felt recoil, and proved from the video better accuracy with similar damage to the 308

[@ltrbuhq]

@user-zg7zk2dy1m thanks for the input, I have a 1/2 ton of LC 762x51 so he is getting a 308. Plus we hunt elk so the 6.5 is a little light

[@user-zg7zk2dy1m]

@@ltrbuhq Ah I see, makes sense man, go with the .308

[@ajdube9967]

@@user-zg7zk2dy1mthis. My kids have a Sig Cross Creed. Super easy to shoot. Even my 6.5 PRC kicks less than my old 308.

[@ajdube9967]

@@ltrbuhq6.5 PRC

[@robertjackson1407]

Thank you 😊

[@mr.mr.3301]

True. But I prefer 308. I wonder if the 30tc is more accurate than the 308 since it’s the parent case of the creedmore

[@deanbryan3034]

I am no expert but when all these comparisons are against 308, thats saying something. What is also interesting to me, when looking for rifles, especially secondhand rifles in Australia there was probably 10 times more 6.5 creedmores than 308. That is also telling a story, why are so many more people are getting out of 6.5 creedmore?

[@EpikArms]

@deanbryan3034 I'd love to find out why as well from those retailers. Did they sell the rifle because of the rifle or sell the rifle because of the caliber? I have sold more 6.5 creedmoors as well than .308's but that because I buy more of them then move on to other rifles (usually still same caliber. Then again I buy them to review so I don't count

[@deanbryan3034]

@EpikArms yeah I don't know why either haha.

[@timothym2241]

Interesting tests. There is definitely an issue of 308 ammo producing poor groups. The two best, 0.43 vs 0.45 show little difference, if any between the two when comparing the best combination. You would need a more extensive test to discern the actual difference, multiple groups of 5 or 10 shots each. I have a couple of 308 target rifles, and both will produce very poor groups with some cheap ammo, Federal XM80 in particular. I don’t yet own a 6.5 creedmoor.

[@stephenkarl1440]

Isn’t the difference between the two calibers largely due to the better ballistic coefficient of the 6.5 Creedmoor projectiles?

[@Forest-Monk-Outdoors]

Currently I have 4 calibers that all shoot below .5 moa 6cm-223-308-6.5cm. Then the king the 6br. It’s in the .3s

[@jacobdeem8499]

I like creedmoor more than 308 but this proves nothing but what you and your rifles can do lol . Still like the content tho

[@2warhammer34]

Interesting, test….This appears to be less of a test on which caliber is more accurate and more along the lines of which factory loads are to the highest standards. I’ve shot both calibers, among others as well. Current rig is a 26lb custom built .308 24”bbl in M24 profile that routinely shoots 1/2 MOA. To be fair I only shoot hand loads and this one really likes the 178gr Hornady bullet.

[@crownember560]

With a howa 1500 factory rifle 6.5 creed and hornandy 140 grain match im doing 5.5 moa. Off the shelf ammo. Still havent done my own handloads. For the average guy that just wants to plink and wants accuracy and doesn't want to bother reloading 6.5 will almost always win.

[@joemisak7925]

Proves it takes many types of ammo or reload lol thanks for the video .

[@virgilpalmer2427]

Compare the 6.5 cm to the 270 win.. or the 6.5 prc... They're closer to the creedmoor ballistics..

[@rdsii64]

This makes no sense. One caliber isn't more accurate than the other. Federal gold medal match 175 grain sierra matching 308 is more or less accurate than Federal gold medal match 140 grain matchking 6.5 creedmoor. The same can about the Hornady 178 grain eldm 308 vs Hornady 140 grain eldm in 6.5. or any other brand of quality ammo. This experiment is flawed at best. You didn't compare like brand to like brand across the two calibers. There were also multiple projectiles involved here. Not to mention this is a sample size of one. The only thing you showed here is the rifles you used (like another rifle) have a preference for certain ammunition.

[@johndent268]

How come I see so many 6.5s returned. And used on sale at gun shops. I think you are a little in favor for the 6.5 crymore 😢 to begin with.

[@EpikArms]

@johndent268 statistically they are the most sold caliber, so by sheer number it's normal they would be returned the most. I'm in favour of making my job easier as a reviewer, and standardizing to 6.5 just makes sense for apples to apples comparison. So far when I get happen to get a .308 they always perform 10-25% less well

[@joeculver6227]

I think you didn’t pass 5th grade English class.

[@EpikArms]

your a subscriber, I sincerely appreciate that. I actualy its wuz grade 9 i failed, attack-king someone'z spellig or use or granmar uzualy is an indikation that youz couldez not counterz anythingz in regardez to the subject at hand. fun fact: im usually typing from my phone and get lots of coments, so Spelling/grammar isnt on the list of thing i care about.

[@jreed10291974]

308 for me I don't shoot factory ammo and I have never own a 308 that you could make shoot .2 5 shot groups My savage 110 tac will shoot .2 groups all day with anything from 150 grain bullets to 180. It might not be the best for anything over a 1000 yards but 1200 yards is doable with the right load.

[@ajdube9967]

Grew up on a 308. Built a 6.5 PRC to learn how to shoot better. I'm going to rebarrel my 308 to something that's faster than an old lady driving😂

[@rapidrrobert4333]

Why do you let your front rest jump like that?

[@rozell2820]

Most shooters are not very good, to be honest. Therefore, the 308 will always win due to being much more forgiving with shot placement. I also noticed that you were using a wide range of bullet weights for the 308. Most 308 shooters know 150 and 168 are your best bets. More deer have been shot and lost with 6.5 creedmore than any other round. It's just a target round.

[@crownember560]

I would agree until you talk about "lost animals with 6.5" because 6.5 is very very quickly rising up the list for taking more deer than other cartridges. And yes they do lose more animals than most cartridges. Thats because its so much more popular with new people.

[@andreifedorov2108]

Why the f compare the 6,5 to 308, compare it to 6,5 Swede, 6,5 carcano, 6,5 prc, then you know in its own pond it is meaningful, They all have their place if you’re going to jump from one to the next trying to pick a cartridge it’s going to claim superiority over well prc leaves it in the dust , I don’t see the point, Creedmore is fine for target and medium game hunting period , if you already have 308, 7mm08, 243 , 6,5 sweed you don’t need to run out to buy 6,5 creed, that’s a fact, If you’re a starting out in a target game sure buy it , but even then I would start with 308 because it’s cheaper to practice and getting competitive rifle skills is going to take lots of rounds

[@RoboDabo]

We get it dude, you're recoil sensitive. Just start vaping and tell your wife it's okay to see other men.

[@EpikArms]

@RoboDabo lol I'd explain it but clearly you didn't watch the video, otherwise I woudnt need to.

[@RickBonanno]

You rock!!!

[@EpikArms]

@@RickBonanno thanks Man!

[@m71win]

Why bother with this comparison? Just get a 7mm-08 and 6,5 CM in the same rifle, same projectile and bullet weight and do that comparison

[@EpikArms]

Most people don't have a clue about anything buy the most popular choices. Hence why the comparison is about those 2

[@myname8676]

I have been shooting..308 factory rifels for over 11 years and all put hunting rounds in less than 1 moa and all have shot match at .5 moa. My latest 2 a shooting..3 moa match. Learn to manage recoil maybe?

[@EpikArms]

That argument might be applicable, if the cadex test wasn't done. Rifle weighing 25 lbs isn't going to recoil in either caliber. Did you watch to video?

[@myname8676]

@EpikArms .308 rifels are highly accurate, the problem is .308 is mass produced. 6.5 has been marketed and built as a accurate rifel. Try focused on accurate .308s like browning Xbolt long range max or a tikka varmint or Sako, these .308 rifels are made for accuracy the others are made for the masses. Appreciate your video, but I know my results would be better. Try 200 round seasoned barrels as well.

[@myname8676]

@@EpikArms My go to recipes are 100 to 200 round dirty rifel and 168gr SMK or 165gr GK, all factory ammo. The Sako TRG shoots its own factory 175gr TRG ammo. I'd get a .308 f class and match it with a 6.5 f class, then you might have access to an Accuray international..308 and 6.5 then I'm pretty sure you have the accurate 6.5 Xbolt max long range and put 100 rounds of the most accurate round through all and then compare the 3 seperate classes of rifels by caliber.

[@vincentnastri7736]

Can’t listen to this video because not one guy on it can run a bolt properly,bye,🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇺🇸💪👍

[@paulcox9366]

308...then the 300 PRC if you wana target shoot.

[@rockylavigna5977]

I will say my 308's shoot alot better, are you kidding me? Of course I shoot different grain bullets. This comparison does not tell a fair accuracy test. We all like different calibers however both the 308 and the creed are low on list of hunting rifles. Play fair

[@EpikArms]

@rockylavigna5977 what do toubfind problematic about my numbers or my observations bases on them

[@petethomas5976]

Bud my mpa 308 is 1/2 or less all day you can keep the 6.5 needsmore

[@henrymoreland8719]

Get the ammo that suits your gun

[@dannycrooks8462]

I'm for the 308 it's better all round for hunting and in Europe hunts spec a 308 for the hunts you're not allowed to use 6.5 you need to find the right ammunition for each rifle my shooting group we all have 308 rifles each make if brand of ammunition will group different for each rifle what works in mine will not group in the other rifles and vuse versa overall one brand that's terrible in all is Hornaday