The Controversial Supra | Toyota Supra 2.0T

The 2.0L turbo in the Supra may offend some traditionalists, but the open minded will find a lighter, more nimble feeling Supra with a smaller price tag and lower cost of operation. Is the 2.0L Supra a "true Supra"? I'm not sure. But it is more fun than you might think.
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[@73Kentaro]

Love the dedication to the trunk comfort index

[@captaink5482]

7:35 Alex has a sandwich in his pocket 7:45 Sandwich = pressed

[@kenjikenjikenj]

I chuckle and give a thumbs up every time the trunk starts closing

[@keitha.9788]

Being in California, Alex should add an "Illegal Immigrant Smuggling Index" to trunk comfort Index....

[@KirkKreifels]

Still can't figure out why the 2.0 can't have a 6 manual trans... The 2.0 Z4 has the option!

[@M1911jln]

Because Toyota doesn’t want to pay for the regulatory work required (EPA testing, crash testing, etc.)

[@bobbbobb4663]

You just did...there needs to be a reason for the Z4 to exist and it’s a nice way for BMW to distinguish the Z4.

[@stfloppy]

Toyota is going to release updates to the supra every year to try and keep sales up. A manual is inevitable

[@psewgobind]

GR86 could make Supra's 6MT and 2.0L redundant.

[@kyrosmike]

BMW m2 6 speed stick, 405 hp nearly same price as Supra 3.0L premium

[@cadsux]

Impressive! The Supra 2.0's acceleration is equal to my 2015 Mustang GT Premium. I've been thinking about trading up to another coupe. The Mustang is my 6th coupe, and I've never owned a sedan. So many good choices out there!

[@shinkuflame]

I'm with you, Alex. If it were my money, I'd get the 2.0 as well!

[@David-ym2vk]

After almost 4 years of watching your videos, you're still the best car reviewer I've ever seen. Amazing job. :D

[@chuckcribbs3398]

I’d get the 2.0. Can’t enjoy 380 HP in the 3.0 without tickets. And dealers are marking down the 2.0 sometimes $4k. And no one can tell the difference. It’s a beautiful car.

[@samuelm5140]

Trunk comfort index stated as 4/10 but displayed as a 5/10

[@samuelm5140]

No comment on the widespread wind buffeting complaints?

[@Rickster1965]

I own the MK5 Six. Buffeting easily fixed with a ten dollar part attached under each side mirror.

[@NasaRacer]

Alex you accidentally listed the EPA mileage for the 3.0 6cyl the 2.0 4cyl is 25city/32hwy/28comb. Good review though. Cheers

[@paulomatias3]

Im one of those that dont care if is a bmw under the skin, if is a 2.0 255 hp or doesnt have adaptive damper, if i could i buy one in a heart beat and would enjoy it so much because is a cool and beautiful car.

[@swanblake]

Toyota is the largest automotive manufacturer in the world, they don't need BMW to build a Supra. They have more than enough money to make a sports car. They just don't care and don't want to. See the GR Yaris for when Toyota actually wants to try. You cant even roll sown a window when drivin this because of the wind buffeting issue. That's why I don't car about this "Supra" which is outdone by a better 2 series where actual engineering went into it.

[@DrBrainrape]

Even cash strapped Nissan is making a new Z and they’re not rebadging other manufacturer’s cars

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

@@DrBrainrape in toyos case they'd be putting down more money since they'd have to make the chassis,engine,and etc by themselves while Nissan has the engine,trans,and platform set up for them to make a new Z. So toyos the one putting more money down and more than likely inflating the cars price in the same segment as the Z with the mk5 more than likely being way more expensive than it currently is if they did make it themselves.

[@megaroeny]

Nailed the trunk comfort fit 😂👍

[@preoksaha4504]

The only Toyota that will break down in 5 years

[@kayanoreeves1949]

I have the 2.0 and here are my only gripes (otherwise it's an awesome car): The exterior A-pillar gathers micro scratches very easily. Wireless Apple CarPlay is not full screen. There is no hatch open button on the exterior body. No option to add heated seats. The car is so much fun and has more than enough power for my daily driving needs.

[@realitycheck469]

Great review as always. I bought the 2.0 and love it. You are correct: actual HP has been measured at 280hp and torque at 306ftlb by others on you tube. Question: what did you use to measure the 4.5 0-60 time?

[@rightlanehog3151]

Alex, Did you say some people consider this BMW/Magna Steyr Supra to be an abomination? I don't think they are being very fair to abominations. Toyota just built a from-the-ground-up, high performance car ENTIRELY on their own, it is called the GR Yaris. Collaborations are fine as long as Toyota is building the cars with their own parts ie Suzuki Across and Swace.

[@kyrosmike]

I still think they could had redone the Lexus RC or IS with 2 doors to make a supra. The parts bin was there, 3.5 is a decent motor and TT variant is in the LS500. I mean GTR is a v6 now when it was an inline 6. If I wanted a BMW it is going to be a M2 with a stick shift, which feels like a better deal for nearly same price is 3.0L Supra with more power.

[@ileref]

this 7:39 is the sort of content I subscribed for

[@petegalindez9961]

Great review...wonderful car. I do have to say, having owned BMWs, their infotainment system doesn’t look futuristic or as flashy as most, but I’ve found it to be the most logically laid out and intuitive system I’ve used (Including Porsche’s PCM, Audi’s MMI, Acura’s crappy system, Mazda, Honda, Tesla, Mercedes, and Toyota). Agree the ACC could be better to engage, but that’s about it. Between the Z4 and Supra is a tough one, but I’d probably get the Z4. I’ve driven the Z4 (both versions), but not the Supra. But, for my driving style..commuting and cruising (no track days), the Z4 would fit my lifestyle better. I did find it a bit stiff for an every day driver though. Wish it was a bit softer. The modes don’t really change it much.

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

Let's hope the next Supra will be a Mazda with an inline 6 that's either naturally aspirated or turbocharged. That would be awesome. It might not be a Toyota but it's a Japanese Supra again and that's a huge bonus.

[@jaya1000]

Love my Mazda 3.7 v6. Purrs like a kitten

[@ATRichard]

I like this 2.0 Supra a lot! Just the right amount of sport, value and power seems like. Also - to be fair, an EcoSport with a 2.3T EcoBoost engine might actually be fun lol. EcoSport ST! They might have actually sold a few more of them had they made that haha. Great review!

[@trent7080]

The last standing legendary Japanese sports/super cars are now NSX, GTR, Z, WRX and Miata.

[@jesseflores9087]

subi?

[@trent7080]

@@jesseflores9087 True, I forget about Subaru.

[@flippypippy1851]

@@trent7080 Type R??

[@insainllama]

The problem with this car is that it doesn't look or feel like a Toyota. I think the BRZ/86 works because both companies are Japanese and have been connected for years. This has a completely different aesthetic than what Toyota would produce on their own.

[@tinhinnh]

How does a Toyota look and feel

[@newwavetheo]

I see what you mean now that you pointed it out. The badge engineering of certain components on the Supra (steering wheel with Toyota logo for example) make it seem like it was a low effort job. On the exterior it seems as though Toyota had it's way with some BMW influence. Of course you can also tell it is built much differently than other Toyota's since the Supra is made in Austria, plus BMW loves to use Torx & other more specialised screws/bolts/nuts/plastic fasteners under the hood and around the interior if you start poking around and notice little details.

[@newwavetheo]

@UCcHBHpah6VVmAZk-5xOB9Zg The Miata and the 'Fiata' are somewhat better distinguished together because Fiat is already known for small stylish little cars and the Miata just happens to be part of that category of car, making it philosophically more compatible in that sense. I'd actually argue that more effort was made to make the MX-5 & 124 Spider better separated apart from each other because the Fiat 124 uses the 1.4L MultiAir Turbo vs the Mazda SkyActiv motors. Both engines have a totally different feel. Plus the 124 Spider was modified extensively to make the 1.4L MultiAir fit in and work, alot of engineering effort. The exhaust manifold on the MultiAir engine is on the driver's side meaning that the exhaust pipe that connects to it actually bends around underneath the oil pan and front subframe to the passenger's side of the car and then connects to the catalytic converter and exhaust system from there. The Mazda SkyActiv 2.0L/1.5L has the exhaust manifold on the correct side, nothing special needed to bend around the oil pan/subframe. That is just one example of how Mazda went through massive engineering to make the 1.4L from Fiat work in Mazda platform.

[@caglioso]

The 4cyl Supra with a stick would be a slam dunk and I’d choose it over the 6cyl since there’s only so much power that’s usable in daily driving tbh.

[@Mgoblagulkablong]

Toyota is doing so many great thigs right now, but they made absurd mistakes on the 2.0T. The brakes are an absolute joke, they show EXTREME fading, look up CarandDriver Lightning lap, quote: "The small calipers eat brake pads and rotors for breakfast. Temperatures rise, braking zones lengthen, deceleration weakens, and stabbing the left pedal becomes as useful as dropping anchor over concrete. A few hundred feet after posting our fastest lap we found ourselves racing into Turn 1, smashing the brake pedal and pulling-up on the electronic emergency brake. We ended up in the grass" That's absolutely inacceptable for a Supra! How could they decide to put shut sh*tty brakes on a Supra??? They will fade on a mountain pass!

[@gns942]

Just blame BMW, because that's what it is.

[@markmiller3279]

The Lightning Lap tests track performance, and this never pretended to be a track model.

[@Mgoblagulkablong]

@@markmiller3279 It is a sports car for enthusiasts, it's absurd saying it is not for track driving...

[@kayanoreeves1949]

@@Mgoblagulkablong I will never track my 2.0 and it stops on a dime every time. You have a lot of opinions about a car you don't own.

[@davidmullineaux6157]

Make a Celica to complete w civic si instead. Or corolla GT. Put 230 hp front limited diff, sportier suspension and your good to go.

[@garrettw99]

I think that’s the first time the EcoSport and Supra were mentioned in the same sentence 😂

[@sneeded1]

Well done Alex. Great explanation on the teaming of these two auto giants.

[@InvestBetter.]

There are A LOT of things I hate about the new Supra and a lot of things I love about it If it had a manual, I'm in

[@garyolafson8303]

Wait for Nissan Z debut. I know about wheel noise coming from road, wheel well, or tires - riding as a passenger in a brand new C7 Corvette. No noise separation in the C7 rear passenger area, either.

[@noonesbusiness959]

What road noise specifically?

[@cadsux]

@@noonesbusiness959All of the above! Tire, wind, road, etc. Performance tires can be noisy during operation. I had a 2013 370z Touring with Sport Package. You had to yell to have a conversation with your passenger. 2 seat coupe hatchbacks have no rear partition or seat, so more outside noise comes through. On a rainy day, it sounds like a running shower behind you.

[@Tinrs80]

❤️ @ Trunk index scene.. Thank you! made my day with that laugh.❤️

[@Un4gettablewolf]

My brain wants to focus on the video but the slow pan backwards non stop is driving my eyes crazy lol

[@splatbubble]

If the seating surfaces are faux-suede, can we assume the bolsters are leatherette? I seem to remember that is the general vibe... you go lower cost as you move outward....

[@aussie2uGA]

It’s nice but it doesn’t have the performance, features, or space of a Model 3 and yet it’s 800lbs heavier than a Miata. It’s hard to justify at $45k because you can either grab the Miata for over $15k less and canyon carve the twisties or jump into a Tesla and enjoy the gobs of instant torque. You’d really have to be a Toyota/BMW fan for what is offered here.

[@bearclaw5115]

First, it's 43k. If you're going to quote a number, make it the right one. Two, you are comparing all the pro's of other cars to the con's of this one, no wonder 'you'd have to be a fan'. 3rd, I think you have to admit this car his some appeal to you because you just watch the video didn't you?

[@markmiller3279]

Well, the Model 3 does have a back seat, so I guess that's something - but it's not someplace I'd want to put an adult. The Tesla offers acceleration, if that's your priority.

[@bearclaw5115]

It's a luxury to not have backseats -because you don't need them. I would consider the 3 but they are just built terrible.

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

Manual adjustment is better because it's lighter and will cause less issues down the road.

[@mikejaynekennedy4790]

Umm sorry Alex but it is not a 2 seat roadster. A roadster, by definition, is an open 2-seat vehicle. The Z4 is a roadster. As with all of your reviews I really enjoyed it. I was wondering though if you could also test the Z4 with a manual transmission to get some idea of what a manual Supra might feel like. I, too, would choose the 2.0T but would really prefer to row my own.

[@Elchurrodurro]

I've had the car for about 3 months and my only gripes the wind buffeting, only apple car play yea you can connect your Android devices but Google play would be a great addition, and no handle bars for the passenger and driver to get out the car there's a tick to it I've gotten it but a couple of family members tend to grab on the top of the car or the door Nice additions I'd appreciate: customization to dash, customization to the I drive system, better cup holder placement,and a slightly bigger glove box or bigger door panels storage compartments bcz I don't use it because it's too small

[@stevee8318]

I just don't see the appeal of the 4 cyl supra when the 6cyl is only about 10-15% more expensive.

[@firstnamelastname9661]

Exactly

[@firstnamelastname9661]

This 2.0 version needs to be around 30k

[@markmiller3279]

Well, no, it's almost 20% base price. Of course you don't get comparable equipment, but of those aren't things you value they aren't with the money.

[@tinhinnh]

@@firstnamelastname9661 The American competitors are cheap because... it is cheap

[@firstnamelastname9661]

@@tinhinnh you sound like you know nothing about cars lol

[@alphabeta8403]

Only reason I’m NOT buying it: NO OFFERING OF 6MT!

[@bearclaw5115]

Great video Alex, I've been curious about this more affordable Supra. You get extra points for squeezing into the trunk of this car!

[@twystedhumour]

when he slammed the lid, i (my claustrophobia) felt that.

[@anydaynow01]

I would definitely wait for the Z35 considering it will be offered with a 6-speed manual gear box. If they don't go crazy with the price or weight it will be a winner. Plus even with that retro 240Z grill everyone complains about (which I think will look fine in another color, just not yellow) the styling inside and out is immensely better than the new Supra, but then again I think the sleeker Z32 looks better than the bubbly mk4.

[@stephenhendricks103]

I'm a long time fan of classic British sports cars. The Austin Healey 3000 and the E-type Jaguar are (imo) among the most beautiful automobiles ever built. Scalding 0-60 and quarter mile times don't top my priorities; light weight and handling are far more important to me. Therefore, the Mazda MX-5 (in essence a modern interpretation of an MG) and the 2.3L Mustang are more appealing than significantly heavier vehicles that depart from a 50/50 weight distribution even if they take a second or more to complete a flat, straight line acceleration test. With that in mind I find the 2.0L Supra especially noteworthy. At less than 3200 lbs it's over 200 lbs lighter than the 3.0L Supra. And that's like having an NFL cornerback sitting on the hood of the latter. Unfortunately my family consists of a spouse, a teenage daughter, and a big dog, at least two of whom I enjoy traveling with. The kid is heading off to college in a couple of years and the dog won't live forever so perhaps I can seriously consider the lighter Supra in a few years.

[@Victic005]

I don't think people hate the Supra because it was produced by BMW not much anymore. The price is still pretty steep it is not that cheap.

[@bikingmoments]

I wonder if it will be as reliable as a Toyota or BMW!

[@bobdadruma]

As a former owner of a 1968 MGB I would choose the 4 cyl engine. A sports car should be as lightweight and balanced as possible and not be overpowered. I also am a fan of the Honda S 2000 and the Mazda MX5. They are just plain joyful to drive.

[@ccroy2001]

I can't believe Alex fit in the trunk!

[@WanderingAroundAZ]

I’d wait until I could save up more money for the Z4. I prefer a top less roadster over a hardtop.

[@psewgobind]

I'd buy, if Honda joined the party with their K24 & 6-speed manual.

[@psewgobind]

@My Pets Power I can't put down is wasted, but I love that Z's cockpit...perfect for a bigger/taller guy. It's amazing the amount of choices that are now available.

[@jimrusch22]

In my view, the styling is weird and disjointed. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder however.

[@bearclaw5115]

4 speakers and no heated seats for 43k? Brakes that don't stand up to sporty driving? Are you kidding me? It's fine to charge more for more stuff, but I feel like they have broken the car deliberately to coerce you to spend.

[@markmiller3279]

Brakes that don't stand up to _track use_. That's not the same thing as sporty road driving. Look at how quickly tires wear out on a track and it's not surprising brakes overheat.

[@cylibergod]

In Europe, we get heated seats in even in the "pure" edition. Also, brakes are fine for advanced road or highway use. Have never felt underbraked and I do not use my car on tracks. Still, for the 9k I saved buying the Pure edition, you can get a very decent set of 19 inch wheels of your own choice, strut tower braces and even a custom brakes and sport suspension. That is, if you were to try and make a track tool out of it.

[@da900smoove1]

So if Nissan rumored base price for the 2022 Proto Z is $35k and a V6 and Manual Transmission it will SLAY Supra Sales from the Word Go....And if say the Sport Touring is $42-45k and Nismo $53-55k BMW/Toyota will be Just Hurting

[@realitycheck469]

How did you come up with the 4.5 second 0-60 time?

[@Tigerex966]

Needs a manual SUPRABAD!,,,, now more than e er with the Nissan 400 z coming especially if nizzan can stay no more than $10000 more than the outgoing models meaning around $42000.

[@Dragon228833]

The mark 4 supra turbo was (adjusted for inflation) about $80k. That’s probably about how much it would cost if Toyota made it themselves I’m happy with the 50k price tag of the 3.0

[@CarGuy11]

I chose the Supra on my channel!

[@Athandatu]

I miss the fun cars the Japanese makers used to bring out. The Honda Prelude, Acura Integra, RSX, Mitsubishi 3000GT, Toyota Celica, Supra,... I feel they've gone boring, and turn the sedans into pseudo fun cars

[@alanhorn8253]

I am sure the SUV craze has nothing to do with the decisions to make virtually all mainstream sedans FWD

[@mlee6136]

You did a great job of explaining the cooperation with BMW. At end of the the day It’s a Great looking car which performs really well. BMW interiors are not a bad thing either, the 4cyl is plenty fast enough to get you in trouble with the law.

[@rhill109]

The figure I hear at work(Ford) to launch a new generation or platform is 1 billion.

[@bearclaw5115]

That's true. I would guess they spent less than that here as these cars are not as important as say a new Corolla or Golf. They also used existing engines and transmissions and infotainment systems.

[@kevinyoo0501]

The fact that some people would come into supra review and complain about the engine is just amusing. Get over it or go buy another car.

[@Elchurrodurro]

Most complaints are about the transmission and price and most are like oh a mustang or corvette are cheaper or the same old its a bmw comments yea they're cheaper and there are better options but it aint no supra. its like liking a singer you like a lot, you like the artist because you like the way they sing their melodies their vocal range yes there are better singers but that one artist is what you groove with people just like to talk

[@normt430]

Toyota doesn't make their own sports cars anymore as Subaru and BMW have made the recent ones. Could this be Toyota's last one's?

[@MisterMister5893]

Gr Yaris is wholly Toyota.

[@AW-gj4ji]

Would you do a video on the bmw 330e xdrive?

[@1g2002541]

Though Toyota puts its badge all over it, I'm not surprised you dig out a parts with BMW logo

[@BryceLovesTech]

Please don't call this a Supra or even a Toyota. If you lift the hood every part in it is BMW I will break as soon as the warranty is expired

[@DengekiVR]

How does the handling compare with the gr86, I tested a 3.0 supra and didn't like how heavy the car felt.

[@soapa4279]

People hating on the 2.0 either didn’t know or forget Toyota had a base MKIV Supra with no turbo.

[@AggieStation]

Love the video. Hope you had a camera person at 7:42.

[@james2042]

Okay but do you still have to take them to bmw dealers for maintenance or is toyota actually able to service them now? If toyota is actually able to maintain these things on their own then I'd consider it a toyota. I know at launch that was an issue

[@rsenior7140]

Mine is serviced at my local Toyota dealer.

[@james2042]

@@rsenior7140 good to know

[@Tigerex966]

I don’t believe these companies they can still make these cars alone, even at a lost because of the limited production, simply as a tech showpiece and to get you in the showroom to buy other more practical cars. With Gmail and Honda and others this is forced by governments which are forcing electrics on these companies and canceling pipelines etc. It’s all preplanned.

[@chrisriker8186]

Hey Alex, do you know if the safety features being standard is still true as of the 2023 MY? Toyota's comparison tool indicates otherwise but many reviews of the earlier models share the same information you did.

[@ArisHDi]

wow, you are doing a great job why I just found you?

[@larrysmith6797]

You and JayEmm: car reviews at 60MPH and under.

[@whiteandnerdytuba]

V8 mustang price for a 4 cylinder “Supra.” Ford Chevy dodge have no trouble building profitable sports cars, why can’t the Japanese?

[@whiteandnerdytuba]

@My Pets didn't answer the question. Try again

[@dretech]

This car looks much better from behind than the front.

[@markmiller3279]

Agreed! I am so very tired of the stupid F1-inspired noses on too many cars. The back end isn't perfect, but it's acceptable.

[@jonzaremba]

Can't believe you went in the trunk of this one. Did you do that on your own? Or need an assistant?

[@markvicferrer]

Low end model with a 4 cylinder turbo, high end model with a 6 cylinder turbo. Would it be too much of a niche for there to be a naturally aspirated 6 as a middle option?

[@stevee8318]

Given how few they sell I don't think it makes sense to have three engine choices

[@Tigerex966]

$10000 more than a v6 Nissan Z for a 4?

[@Blank00]

Toyota should just rebrand this 4cyl car to Celica

[@mynameIan]

Has anyone ever bought a Supra? Never seen one on the road.

[@kenedtsu]

I see a handful in LA. Not a lot, but I see the demand.

[@markmiller3279]

I've seen a few in the Bay Area. It was never really expected to be sold in large numbers, or they wouldn't have shared the development.

[@cadsux]

I agree with Mr. Miller that there aren't many in the Bay Area. Limited availability, dealer markups, and there are many coupe choices in that price range. Annually in the U.S., Toyota/Lexus sells about 7,000 coupes (86's, Supras, RC's, LC's). Ford sells that many Mustangs per month, about equal to Prius sales.

[@acchaladka]

I would still go used Cayman or MX-5 or 124 boosted: this 2.0 engine comes with too-small brakes and lacks the luxury bits that the 3.0 comes with while for the same dollars i could get all the options on the others. I like a roadster but i don't want a BMW when a roadster should be manual, light, cheap and durable. The Z4 is not really any of those.

[@firstnamelastname9661]

Need a hardtop convertible option

[@blackice7408]

I've been seeing these on the road alot. I'm guessing ppl are liking these

[@john335i]

The 2.0T is what should have gone into the FRS/GT86

[@SolarMoth]

nice mice! lots of knowledge!

[@Ficon]

It's kind of amazing how well Toyota managed to channel the spirit of the old V-6 Mustangs with this one.

[@digitaldoc100]

I like the car, and the performance is in line with the price to a certain extent. The deal killer for me is that for whatever reason, the 2.0T Supra does not come with seat warmers as an option, and requires to step up to the 6 cyl. Makes little sense to me to gimp the lower engine model to lack this important feature for those of us in the Northeast.

[@bird718]

not a fan of toyota dealer network so i'll go with the z4 because its a convertible and you don't have to deal wtih Toyota sales and service.

[@landofsyn2980]

I just bought one…. I have 0 regrets

[@MatrixDiscovery]

Lexus debuts it's new IS500 with a V8. Why didn't Toyota used the parts of the IS500 for the new Supra? Shame Toyota!

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

No need to. It's 4-500lbs lighter,more than likely faster than it,and easier to make power out of. And the IS500 will more than likely be more expensive than it anyway so it wouldn't need anything from it anyway,especially when the 22 mk5 hasn't even been announed yet.

[@alanhorn8253]

Has this or the Z4 been crash tested in any country? If so, how did it do?

[@michaelhughett8396]

You sad that the Supra had more cargo space than the Toyota 86. Well that might be true with the 86 seats up when you put the seats down in the 86 it is very practical and has much more room.

[@potatochobit]

I'm looking for a car where I can roll down the windows. not sure if this is a good fit.

[@blueryxfalls7949]

No manual so whatever. If it had it I would choose it over the six cylinder because more power would be make the car less usable daily to me

[@Ficon]

Who in their right mind would get this over a V-8 Mustang GT or Camaro SS with a manual?

[@rudfil]

They are totally different. One is a muscle car and the Supra is a sports car. It depends what type of driver you are.

[@Ficon]

@@rudfil Sports cars don’t suffer brake failure after one hot lap.

[@Kryptic1046]

@@rudfil - There is still a fair bit of crossover in those demographics. An American buyer who would've considered a Supra if it had a manual might move to a Mustang or Camaro instead. I'm one of those crossover buyers. I've had everything from 90's RX-7's and Supras to Hemi Chargers. If it's got speed, I'll give it a look no matter what it is.

[@cyrilmatthew2995]

A manual would have made more sense.

[@stephenhendricks103]

Especially if you're looking for a significant discount at a dealer who has had one sitting unsold on the lot for months.

[@cyrilmatthew2995]

@@stephenhendricks103 and if thats the inline 6, Ill be the most happiest man in the world

[@brucebeckner3049]

Seems like a nice enough car, and the experience of driving a car like this is not and can never be like the experience of driving a sedan or coupe. It’s not about 0-60 times or lap times reported in some car mag. When you buy a car like this, or a Z4 or Nissan Z, you’re buying a fundamentally different driving experience. That either matters to you or it doesn’t. Having owned a Z3 3.0 for 10 years and loved it, the big question for prospective buyers of this car is whether they are prepared to deal with BMW level reliability after the warranty expires. In ways that matter from a reliability standpoint, this car is a BMW not a Toyota.

[@rsenior7140]

I've had mine for a year and a half. Zero issues.

[@brucebeckner3049]

That’s great. The problem is that BMWs seemed designed to last only to the end of the CPO warranty period-5 years or 50k miles. After that, things start failing.

[@PracticalMinimalist]

All the years of waiting for the new Supra, and they just buy a design from BMW. So disappointing

[@rightlanehog3151]

Exactly.

[@minterkwan3299]

Why would you call it a roadster ?

[@caponecollin]

Nonsense Toyota has enough money could build the Supra on their own, people are buying the old one for 100,000 so if they did build the one on their own it would still sell because that car is a legend

[@SSS-mp8th]

Still just too much $$$. I want to see where the new 400Z comes in pricewise. Will be much faster and probably cheaper than the Supra 2.0. One of the big issues with the Supra is you are going to have BMW reliability and BMW maintenance costs. I did look and it seems like you can get $6-7k off on both the 2.0 and 3.0 in my area so $41k for the 2.0 makes it more appealing.

[@tmwei396]

Nope, not a Supra. I don't think using the BRZ/86 and Miata/Fiat 124 examples as justification for the Supra/Z4 partnership is valid because the Supra has a history that those other vehicles don't. Aside from being all Toyota, Supra has always been a 2+2 only and offered a stick shift. The BRZ/86 was a new model when they both showed up and the Miata kept its form and let Fiat put in its own power train and badge. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm not objecting the partnership between Toyota and BMW to develop a sports car. My objection is calling it a Supra with total disregard for its heritage. Yes, the "Supra" will have greater dealer network and costs less than the Z4 but no amount of tuning by Toyota can escape BMW's reputation for high maintenance and repair costs in addition to reliability issues a few years down the road. People who typically buy Toyotas tend to keep them for much longer than the average lease term of a BMW which is what most BMW owners do. They know enough to not own one after the warranty expires. I'm also waiting for the new Z.

[@smonkey001]

Is the 86 getting a 2.0T? When it comes, this car will look even worse lol

[@markmiller3279]

Snort. The big deal about the Supra name is almost entirely a modern thing. Historically, there were only a few years where it was a hot car that anyone cared about. Mostly it was an unimportant car with decent performance, but nothing that special (yes, I'm old enough to remember it well).

[@tmwei396]

@@markmiller3279 I'm old enough to remember it as Celica Supra. Hot or not is purely subjective but you can't dispute its heritage.