NEW Flame King Portable Propane Heaters vs Mr Heater Big Buddy & Portable Buddy

[@AlexTimm]

Thanks for watching, I hope the video was helpful! 👀 Check out my video comparing the Mr. Heater Buddy Heaters: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4bUoJqcqJyWjLc

[@RVingwithG]

Being able to SET the Temp is a WIN that I would carry that extra 4 pounds around.

[@AlexTimm]

@@RVingwithG Agreed, I am thinking the exact same thing. Should be only another 1-2 months until I can get out on some ice and start putting it to the test. Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@charlesritter6640]

Can you use these indoors?

[@AlexTimm]

@@charlesritter6640 Yes, this is the language from Flame King on that: "This heater is safe for indoor use in small recreational enclosures having means for providing combustion air and ventilation, such as enclosed porches, cabins, fishing huts, trailers, tent trailers, tents, truck caps and vans. It may be used for emergency indoor heating when connected to a disposable 1 lb. propane cylinder and for indoor use in commercial enclosures, having means for providing combustion air and ventilation, such as construction trailers or temporary work enclosures."

[@flamekingco]

Hi Alex, great review. Thank you for your attention to detail. I think it important to clarify the "indoor use" qualification. That is a question that seems to come up a lot. These heaters are tested and rated to the same standards as the Buddy heaters. If you look at the Buddy Heater manual it states: "This heater is safe for indoor use in small recreational enclosures having means for providing combustion air and ventilation, such as enclosed porches, cabins, fishing huts, trailers, tent trailers, tents, truck caps and vans. It may be used for emergency indoor heating when connected to a disposable 1 lb. propane cylinder." So I agree that the term "indoor" needs to be qualified for both heaters. But it should be noted, that where ever a Mr Buddy Heater can be used, a Flame King one may be used as well. Thank you for the review and support!

[@bubbaray575]

I've had two big buddy heaters for four or five years and they've performed flawlessly. Wouldn't give em up, highly recommended.

[@AlexTimm]

Yes, love my big buddy heater! Thanks for commenting Bubba!

[@rescuecaptainbob8564]

Mine saved my ass in "Snowmageddon" here in Texas back in February!

[@willrogers1023]

@@rescuecaptainbob8564 My families lives too. We brought home a new born on saturday night. We lost power for 3 days on Sunday morning!

[@AlexTimm]

@@rescuecaptainbob8564 Glad to hear you were one of the people that could find one or had one!

[@AlexTimm]

@@willrogers1023 So happy you had it! Every house needs one really. Cheap insurance in case something happens that you can't predict

[@horrorbiz72]

New subscriber. I just found your channel as I purchased a few buddy heaters for myself and family. I have to say that your clear & concise reviews are great. Content, delivery and editing is excellent as well. I hope more people find your channel.

[@ronp4851]

Excellent review! You are the most articulate, well spoken and well paced speaker I have encountered on any media platform. Great job.

[@AlexTimm]

Wow, thank you! Glad it was helpful!

[@carlosspeicywiener7018]

I was just looking at these things. All things considered, I think I'm going with the portable buddy, it's just that articulating fuel port. Thanks for sharing your experiences and insights.

[@AlexTimm]

Right on! Thanks for watching and commenting Carlos!

[@jdoher01]

WOW - what a fantastic review, you hit all the key points anyone could ask for. Love it, thank you!

[@AlexTimm]

Worldwide Media, Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@loboheeler]

The quick connect port on these heaters is for hooking up to a regulated gas source. Propane appliances run on very low pressure, and are always regulated from a direct tank source. Propane tanks have 100-300 PSI pressure, and appliances run on less than 1 PSI (11 inches water column). In an RV you can connect direct to it's internal gas system, as it's already regulated.

[@AlexTimm]

Spot on Roger! Thanks for the comment and info. You clearly know your stuff! Thanks for watching! 👍

[@loboheeler]

I have 30 years experience with gas delivery equipment. Medical, ultra high purity, and very hazardous gases. Propane is relatively safe, but there are things I would do that an untrained person should not.

[@billbarry2984]

Great video!! I bought the Big Buddy heater and I have a 8 person fishing tent. I'm hoping it puts out enough heat to make it somewhat comfortable. I don't care if it cool in the tent, as long as it's not cold!! Our outside temp is usually hanging around the freezing point or five degrees less!

[@riverfallscory]

Great rundown video. I think the buddy wins. The only thing lacking is a thermostat for the buddy.

[@AlexTimm]

Thanks Cory. Agree, goes to show the buddy heaters are still great!

[@MrMarty9er]

I've got both the little heater and the big buddy i'm completely satisfied great product.

[@AlexTimm]

Same here, I really like the buddy heaters too

[@ryanfortin9166]

Me to but that thermostat is a really nice feature. Can't wait to hear how it works say in a portable ice hut for fishing. I'd love to do some overnights but definitely want a thermostat on my heater

[@slamothecow]

This is a really awesome review. The flame king is really tempting. I have the mr buddy heater and the swiveling connection comes in handy when I’m half asleep and I need to switch out the 1lbs propane tank. It makes for a quick and easy switch.

[@AlexTimm]

Awesome, thank you! And I agree. After using the Flame King for a full year I am sticking with my Buddy Heaters. Planning on doing a 1 year review of the Flame King heaters in the next month or two.

[@michaelhayward9532]

Great review, I like the Flame King thermostat design. I had a small Buddy heater for awhile and gave it to a friend so I know they last, now I need one again so I'll check out some more reviews and your other videos and pick one of them, thanks.

[@AlexTimm]

Thanks! Yes, let me know what you think as you use it too! I'm excited for the thermostat design!

[@micahreynolds3450]

I have had a buddy heater for probably 10 years. The old green ones. Have beat the crap out of it in my shop. Still works great. Thinking about getting one of the smaller ones for my diy camper. I do like the thermostat on the Flame King. It just doesn't seem the quality that the buddy heater does...Then it got to the part where the feet broke...jeez...just don't know that the thermostat out ways the quality...

[@AlexTimm]

That's my initial thoughts as well. Hopefully the rest of the unit holds up. I will be running them through their paces this ice season and will report back if they fail or do well

[@parkerw87]

Interested to see how the thermostat works. I find myself constantly adjusting the temp, this would help eliminate that.

[@AlexTimm]

Yeah, that is my hope as well. I'll let you all know how it is working out once I've had some time on the ice with it as well 👍

[@govsux1]

Great review thanks! The flame king [ now BLUU ] is unique that it has a thermostat and goes on and off that is a huge advantage especially if you leave or doze off it's not wasting fuel running and running getting too hot it will shut itself off as needed. Very cool.

[@AlexTimm]

Interesting, it looks like BLUU is another third party offering the same heaters (both flame king and bluu are manufactured from Martin Industries - yes, they have a yellow version). Unless BLUU acquired Flame King? Yeah the thermostat is nice when used inside a hard sided insulated building. A lot of my viewers use these heaters ice fishing and unfortunately the thermostat isn't super effective in that environment

[@govsux1]

@@AlexTimm The one I just bought is BLUU it's identical to one you did the comparison on new name I guess. And yea I bought a CO detector [ or as you pointed out a oxygen depletion detector ] so I won't be relying solely on the heater one.

[@ryanfortin9166]

Great comparison. I just discovered the flame king yesterday. I already own 2 buddy heaters. The big buddy and the smaller one but when I saw the flame king and read about the thermostat I was wondering if it turned on and off itself. I was really considering getting a flame king just for that reason because I'm not one to fidget with the temp. It's either on or off so a thermostat is a huge bonus. I mainly want the thermostat tho for ice fishing because I've been wanting to do overnights in my flip over hut but now am worried how well the thermostat will work. I don't want to be waking up sweating or freezing. Would love a review of how well the thermostat actually works for similar purposes such as use in a portable ice hut before I justify spending another couple hundred bucks on more fishing gear lol. Thanks again for the comparison

[@benjaminrush4443]

Great. Thanks. Don't like the two feet breaking off on the Flame King, but the air sensor sounds good. Again, Thanks.

[@AlexTimm]

You are welcome! I also was not impressed by that!

[@kross1261]

Great video. Really like the idea of the low heat adjustment but seen too many negative reviews on flame king.

[@AlexTimm]

After using them both for a while this season, I would recommend sticking with the buddy heater line 👍

[@unholsteredmedia2084]

Dude. This was absolutely perfect.

[@AlexTimm]

Unholstered Media, Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@jimnummerdor9687]

Great job comparing the heaters. I really like the thermostat feature but the rest I’m thinking is going to be not worth the extra convenience. I use one pound tanks and also don’t care for the rigid connections port.

[@AlexTimm]

Totally agree Jim!

[@loboheeler]

The 20 pound to 1 pound connection hoses will need a filter, as the stock rubber hoses will emit contaminates that will eventually clog these heaters. Mr. Heater makes special hoses that do not contaminate, so don't need filters. Flame King does not list any filters, but you could use Mr. Heater ones.

[@AlexTimm]

Exactly right again! You know your stuff, really appreciate the info to help others out! I do have a video for anyone watching this one that wants to know about the hose options that will work, use this link and you can jump right to that part: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4bUoJqcqJyWjLc

[@AlexTimm]

YES!! 👊👍

[@davepetro5676]

My big buddy has 3 ceramic tiles on it your only has 2 hum mine has the fan 2 I’m confused looking at it now. That right I got different ceramic tiles to replace they were a little smaller that why.

[@christopherhorton821]

I have a old Zebco Traveler 7000 Btu Catalytic Propane Heater that was made in the 70's that still works great. It takes the tall skinny bottles to run, but I can also hook it up to a larger tank with a hose.

[@AlexTimm]

Gotta love when something lasts forever and keeps plugging along! Can you refill the tall skinny bottles or do you have to buy new ones each time (if you don't hook up to a larger tank of course)

[@christopherhorton821]

@@AlexTimm The tall bottles can be filled up just as easy as the short fat one's with a refill adapter. I bought one to refill my small bottles. I made a new video talking about a couple different heaters and how much fuel they use. Also how long they would last on low and high. On a small 1 pound bottle and a 20 pound bottle. I should have the video uploaded in about 20 minutes or so. I compare my Zebco Traveler 7000 to a portable buddy heater.

[@AlexTimm]

@@christopherhorton821 I'll have to check it out when up! Let me know

[@christopherhorton821]

@@AlexTimm Been up for a while now. I uploaded it earlier.

[@AlexTimm]

I'll check it out

[@GeorgeGeorge-yb2sz]

Hi Alex, Three things that need clarification: FIRST, the Big Buddy heat control is NOT three settings, It can be adjusted between the levels by simply turning the knob up or down. It is NOT thermostatically controlled, thankfully! The more bells & whistles, the more problems when you need it the most! SECOND is the fans, totally worthless in my opinion, and especially using D cell batteries that are heavy and expensive. I use heat powered wood stove fans on both of my Big Buddies and they work great. You have to modify the base to fit on the top of the grate, and I built a small hook that holds the fan to the handle. I use two different fans and both were easily adapted. Just a note that the tip over switch is also a shut off if the stove receives a sharp blow like accidentally kicking the table or stand it sits on. THIRD is the pilot. You mentioned that some of the stoves hide it to keep it out of the wind. If you are using it in that much wind, it isn't going to heat the area anyway, and it makes it hard to clean. After a couple of years, the orifice gets some carbon build up and the flame is degraded. I use a stainless steel tooth brush to clean it. I don't know how much propane the Flame King uses, probably about the same as the Big Buddy, except when the thermostat turns it on overnight and tries to keep it at a set temperature. I use one of my Big Buddy stoves to heat my shop. I turn the Low setting down until I can hear the flame flicker, then I turn it back up until it stops flickering. A thermostat would try to hold the room temperature the same all of the time, and would waste a lot of propane overnight so you would have to turn it off and restart it daily. With mine on low, and regardless of the room temperature it uses the minimum amount of propane day and night and keeps my shop comfortable all of the time. I burn 9 gallons every 7 days running it 24/7 as low as I can set it. I never change it day or night, even when it is below zero. My shop is insulated and is a small shop. Nothing has ever frozen inside during the past 7 or 8 years and the temperature has dipped below zero many times. I monitor the temperature from inside my house. I use filters and I change them every year and I have never had a problem. I believe my hoses are Big Buddy hose, but I am not sure, I bought them 7 or 8 years ago before the notice came out regarding the hoses degrading and plugging up the heaters. I have two heaters because I don't want to be without a working heater, but so far I have never had to use the second heater in my shop. I use it for other things like my dog pen when it is below zero, but both work flawlessly.

[@richardcooper4825]

Absolutely fantastic product review! Hope this video goes viral - your local news station should consider you for their Consumer product reviews - you're very articulate and your observations are thorough and interesting. I am not the outdoor type, but I am considering purchasing a few portable heaters for bedrooms in case of winter power outages. I have seen where there are heat sensitive fans that can be placed on the Mr. Heater Buddy Heaters to assist in throwing off heat. Could they be used for the Flame King Portable (especially given its design) or does the built in fan produce sufficient heat dispersion?

[@AlexTimm]

Richard, thank you for your kind words 😀(I hope it goes viral too!) What state do you live in? There were a ton of power outages last winter that caused a huge buying demand on these type of heaters to a point where they were sold out everywhere. So now is definitely a great time to look for one or a couple and picking them up. Yes, the heat sensitive fans will work with the flame king portable heaters too! The built in fan seems to only push the heat out a few inches, whereas those bigger fans that you add on would move it several feet out in front of the heater as they are much larger and stronger. Good luck finding the one(s) you want, I'd love to know what you end up with! 👍

[@willrogers1023]

Can you share your knowledge? This is the first I'm hearing of that type of product. Thank you!

[@msgottaneedtoknow]

I recently watched a video that said that the internal fans in the buddie heaters have been stopped. That they made new regulations that won’t allow the company to use them internally any longer. So the external fans are a great idea.

[@AlexTimm]

@@willrogers1023 Yes, these are the fans I was referencing: amzn.to/2ZfUWAj amzn.to/3ngHCnh I will likely be putting a future video out about them and how to attach to your portable heater if you want to

[@AlexTimm]

@@msgottaneedtoknow This is true, I think that Mr Heater is hopeful they will be able to start producing them with the fans in the future though

[@jacksonbarnes253]

Great video! Super informational! I'm a new viewer and really enjoyed all the product details. I noticed your Minnesota home wall art. Do you live in Minnesota or just from it?

[@AlexTimm]

Thank you! Yes I live in the Twin Cities 👍

[@jacksonbarnes253]

@@AlexTimm awesome! I'm not to far north of you! I'm the st cloud area

[@getx1265]

Screwing in one lb tanks in a non movable port is not a winning design. I made it through February's Texas freeze with my portable Buddy, bought a backup this summer, and will be just fine with knowing I have decent units. Nice review. I think the hookup is going to be the deciding factor for most people.

[@beeswax2182]

Was for me. Just picked up a hunting buddy

[@AlexTimm]

@GE TX, Yeah I was not impressed by that part

[@coocoocachooglin]

Just seeing this comment now a year later, but I'm curious what kind of space your heating with your portable buddy during that last freeze? I'm trying to figure out if the portable buddy will be enough for my 900sqft apartment, I figured if it gets too cold we'll just live in the bedroom if the power goes out, maybe it will be enough for that. I saw some chatter about it going to freeze over Christmas here in Austin, so I bought the portable buddy today at Walmart for $74. as a just in case the power goes out. I couldn't find the Flex or Big Buddy anywhere I looked today, Home Depot, Walmart, Costco, and Bass Pro Shop. I was going to buy the Flex and the cooking unit, but nobody had them, so I bought the Ozark Trail 2-burner propane stover for $34 at Walmart also, and 6 1lb cannisters. I assume that should be enough for a week of use if needed. Any longer than that, and we'll fly out somewhere warm - if we can.

[@foxfirelabradors5939]

Would it be possible to do a test to see how long each will run on a 1# tank on low and high? This is an awesome video! Thank you!

[@AlexTimm]

Foxfire Labradors, Yes absolutely! I have one for the buddy heaters already (here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ooDJpnerib6Ef5o ) and am working on the one for the flame king heaters in the next 2ish weeks. So stay tuned and subscribe if you aren't already so you can get notified when that video posts. Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@anthonyhitchings1051]

we tried a flame king cooktop in our camper - inferior compared to the Sunbeam, which I serviced and reinstalled.

[@AlexTimm]

Good to know, thanks for sharing!

[@davidcollett2657]

I’ve got the original big buddy with the fan,it is awesome. But when using the one pound cylinders they would freeze up when they get about halfway empty and the heater would stop running. I bought two big buddies and the hoses and power adapters last year just as a emergency prep.I didn’t realize the new ones didn’t have the fan though. A thermostat would be a great option.

[@AlexTimm]

Very valid points! I have also noticed less hissing / high pitch noises when hooked up to a bigger tank vs a 1lb tank which is nice!

[@bdv861]

Does the Flame King need a special hose or a filter like BB?

[@AlexTimm]

Yeah, it should be treated the same way, either a hose that is resistant to the pressure of the propane, a regulator on the tank side of the hose, or a fuel filter on the end of the hose. Either will work

[@gailmrutland6508]

*At **6:20** you demonstrated the first improved feature over the buddy. As to price and availability the Big Buddy is currently out of production in a supply chain issue, I have Retail leftovers and I have been selling them all day long at $184.99 Plus shipping. Flame King is $159.99 on Amazon and is in supply. Now the big difference, the Canadian made Big Buddy are ONLY for outdoor use, as is Flame King. The US spec Big Buddy is INDOOR SAFE. Depending on your need that is a CRITICAL factor.*

[@AlexTimm]

Gailm, thanks for watching and commenting. Yes, supply issues will continue into this season unfortunately. According to Flame King when I reached out, they confirmed that their 2 heaters are indoor safe. Now, I don't know if they have a special Canada version that I just haven't seen that is maybe only for outdoors, but for us here in the US, we are good.

[@loboheeler]

There is no physical difference between the US and Canada versions, just the use point certifications. Massachusetts is also restricted. As far as supply chain problems, that applies to many products and not getting any better.

[@AlexTimm]

@@loboheeler Ahh! That makes sense. Thank you for explaining!

[@gailmrutland6508]

@@AlexTimm If Flame King says they are good indoors, they need to change their Amazon Listing which says FOR OUTDOOR USE ONLY. As to the difference between the US and Canada Version (CA has its own cert standards) it has to do with the Oxygen sensor, which if you check the part number is different.

[@AlexTimm]

On the Amazon listing it shows in the title and additional detail it is indoor and outdoor safe for me. Is it showing different for you? (Are you in Canada by chance? )

[@BryanGrossman-o3e]

Thanks for the info! Have you done a comparison of Mr. Buddy Heaters vs Heat Hog heaters

[@AlexTimm]

I did a video on the Heat Hog Heaters on the channel, but not as a comparison, even though I speak to what is unique about them. I will be doing a comparison of the 3 brands in the next few weeks though, so stay tuned for that

[@loganschumacher3870]

Could you compare these heaters as well as the dewalt heater as well?

[@AlexTimm]

I don't have the Dewalt heater right now to do a comparison, but if I get my hands on one I for sure will.

[@daveknott4563]

Looking a year later, how has the variable heat been? I can totally see what your saying about "reading" temp and saving from thermostat. VS just pumping out BTU and environment may keep climbing wasting propane.

[@AlexTimm]

I'll be doing a 1 year review video, my primary intended use of the unit was to use for ice fishing, and unfortunately the way the unit is designed the thermostat struggles in that environment to work properly (not nearly as big of an issue when in a fully insulated hard sided structure). For me the bigger concern is that when the thermostat does decide to tell the heater to turn off, it is not like a switch is flipped and the propane drops off down to the ignition light, instead it slowly starves the heater for propane so the ceramic pad goes out and not all the propane is being used up causing fluttering and un-burned propane to enter the room for anywhere between 10 seconds to a couple of minutes. Flame King has sad with the proper ventilation it isn't an issue, but they identify it is something they will be working to fix in their next version. Personally I would wait to get it until that next version comes out and can be tested, for now go with the buddy heater 👍

[@waynedavis2505]

@@AlexTimm Good on you, an honest answer. I knew the thermostat wasn't going to work out, they never do on any on board unit as it's always on the floor and impossible to warm up ( on ice) and seldom even inside a building. Thanks for a great review.

[@danielgreen7159]

I bought one to use in my enclosed insulated camp trailer and it still Is very erratic and unreliable. I've gone back to my old buddy heater.

[@DrgnRebrn]

Well done man. Great review! One of the best I've seen on KZbin. Keep doin' You!

[@AlexTimm]

Thank you so much!

[@FrenchLeprechaun99]

Been loving your heater videos, I just upgraded all my ice fishing gear this season and noticed yesterday that my portable buddy heater isn't going to cut it anymore for my new hub. My buddy has been bringing his heater lately and its one of those cheap ones that attaches ontop of a propane tank and it out performers my buddy heater like crazy and it even cheaper. Now I'm deciding between the big buddy, buddy flex and now the flame king! Cheers from Canada :)

[@AlexTimm]

Great to hear you are enjoying the videos! Based off what you have told me, I would go with the Big Buddy heater

[@FrenchLeprechaun99]

@@AlexTimm That’s what I was thinking, I was looking at the flame king but they are super hard to find here in Canada, if I ordered it from the US it’d probably be like $100CAD+ in border fees

[@camper14]

I like the fact the thermostat can be adjusted and not have to stop and restart all the time. Wonder about installing a filter and I don't see regulators on the Flame King.

[@AlexTimm]

The thermostat is a nice feature! They have 1 regulator that is above the connections for the propane hookups

[@vitogriffin6575]

I've been looking for a heater like this; watching a bunch of buddy reviews.. I hadn't heard of the flame king and I like the features you've described. Thanks for the heads up on this unit. Seems like you know your shit so I'll stay tuned and see how you like the flame kings overall.

[@AlexTimm]

Thanks Vito! Yes, I will for sure be posting an update in a few months after I have put it through a few paces! It is brand new this year, and based off what I am seeing, demand is pretty dang good for them as long as they have enough inventory to go around!

[@josephpetrick3499]

If your using the big buddy in a small area it might overheat it with no shutdown. The flame King will shut off and come back on as a house therostat once the area cools off. I had buddy heaters and wished they had this feature. I just ordered a flame King 20,000 btu. Model to replace my buddy heater. It has a thermostat brain, Period.💫

[@AlexTimm]

@@josephpetrick3499 💯

[@josephpetrick3499]

I received the flame King heater. Tried it out in my home. Set the thermostat for a temperature and it worked great. Adjusted nicely. I was going to I install a nonvented house heater in my 30 foot RV and now I'll just use this small but powerful 20,000btu unit. Really good buy. It's adjust to anywhere, any size space, from a van to your home. Super!💫

[@AlexTimm]

@@josephpetrick3499 This is great news to hear!

[@benton-benton]

I ended up getting 2 buddies, each with 1 place for the canister. Haven't had to use them yet. But this year I'm thinking of putting the cylinder in to have them ready in case the power goes out because I know if the power goes out when it's cold I'll be too nervous to do it for the first time. How long can the canister stay in the mr buddy heater if it's not used? And could I keep it in the house with canister in? Thanks so much! Glad this video popped up again.

[@AlexTimm]

Yes, good idea to have the canister ready. I keep 1lb tanks in them year round and never had an issue. I suppose if it isn't screwed all the way on there could be a tiny slow leak possible around the threads, but I don't think that would happen (propane they put an additive in to make it smell, so if you smell rotten eggs type of smell you know you likely have a slow leak somewhere. But again, I've never had this issue). Yes you can keep it in the house with the canister in, with the 1lb tanks they are perfectly safe to use indoors with proper cross-ventilation. To get more comfortable with using them (they really are easy to use and not intimidating at all once you use them!), I would on a chilly day just start it up and put next to you when working outside, in the garage or something like that to get a feel for the knobs, how hot it gets, etc. (know that if outside the wind will take away a lot of the heat of course haha). Good luck and smart to be prepared!

[@benton-benton]

@@AlexTimm Thank you! In a couple weeks I will take a heater outside and do my best to put a canister in and start it up. When I get nervous, my hands shake. So this will be a way to not be so nervous if the time comes that the heater is truly needed. Again, thank so much!

[@winstonsmiths2449]

That thermostat feature is huge!

[@AlexTimm]

My thoughts exactly!!

[@bryangrim6021]

Thanks for doing this. I didn’t even know this brand of heater was out there. 👍

[@AlexTimm]

No problem 👍

[@keithjongsma9660]

Very good presentation and very thorough, I purchased the 18000 btu Big Buddy from Lowes for $59.99 with a fan, a big diff then what you showed. I bought it for home emergency heat as I only have electricity and no gas. I also suggest you show how to attach a single or dual thermoelectric fans to the top of heater as it makes a huge difference in moving the heat throughout a room with using electricity. Thank you.

[@AlexTimm]

Thanks for the comment! You got a deal I've never heard on on the heater! WOW! Thanks for the recommendation on the fan attachment, I've got it on my list of potential upcoming videos 👍

[@tammiebush6794]

When the cold weather it Texas I had ok one big buddy and two little buddy's my home was cozy and never giving them up

[@AlexTimm]

YES! Can't imagine being without these once a person uses them once

[@drakejdf]

I have two buddies and a big buddy I don’t use but wouldn’t get rid of them unless they failed and no longer work.buddy heaters are second to non IMO.

[@AlexTimm]

@@drakejdf They sure are very reliable and have come a long way! Great heaters

[@rkaag99]

The Mr Heaters say they are safe indoors and I have used them for a few years with no issues (no CO alarms going off). Are these rated the same or are they outdoor only. And yes, of course one should always have adequate ventilation but even then some are not rated for indoor use.

[@AlexTimm]

GREAT question! Yes, these are rated for indoor use according to Flame King. I actually asked them over a month ago before I even considered picking them up and doing a review because if they weren't I wasn't going to even get them. I did notice some language online, on the box and in the manual that was a bit controversial at first, but now a lot of that looks to have been updated to include "indoor" - which by the way it is designed should be the same as a buddy heater.

[@channeljedavisjr]

@@AlexTimm The link you left for the Flame King 20,000 BTU says "Suitable for outdoor use only."

[@AlexTimm]

@@channeljedavisjr Weird, I show on the link it says Indoor and Outdoor: amzn.to/3FLE6d6 I know when they first released the flame king heaters they had some old language from who they white labeled from that they needed to update, so maybe they are just slowly getting around to it? They also have this disclaimer now: "NOTE: This heater is safe for indoor use in small recreational enclosures having means for providing combustion air and ventilation, such as enclosed porches, cabins, fishing huts, trailers, tent trailers, tents, truck caps and vans. It may be used for emergency indoor heating when connected to a disposable 1 lb. propane cylinder and for indoor use in commercial enclosures, having means for providing combustion air and ventilation, such as construction trailers or temporary work enclosures."

[@flamekingco]

@@channeljedavisjr I think it important to clarify the "indoor use" qualification. These heaters are tested and rated to the same standards as the Buddy heaters. If you look at the Buddy Heater manual it states: "This heater is safe for indoor use in small recreational enclosures having means for providing combustion air and ventilation, such as enclosed porches, cabins, fishing huts, trailers, tent trailers, tents, truck caps and vans. It may be used for emergency indoor heating when connected to a disposable 1 lb. propane cylinder." So I agree that the term "indoor" needs to be qualified for both heaters. But it should be noted, that where ever a Mr Buddy Heater can be used, a Flame King one may be used as well. Thank you for the support!

[@stephendoherty1275]

I love your Crappie art on the wall! Can you share where you got them? Great Vid!

[@AlexTimm]

Thanks! The framed print is from: facebook.com/ArtbyRyanStraw and the black metal ones are from: facebook.com/jonjdsoutdoors

[@tinamarlow506]

I just bought the little buddy. Thank you for sharing!!!!

[@AlexTimm]

Absolutely!

[@geebroni4118]

Wish my Buddy heater had a low pressure connect to run off my trailer connect. Great vid. Your consumption video was amazing and turned me off on Flame King.

[@Reefahholic]

Didn’t flame king have a cylinder recall. I look at the big buddy and feel more safe with it.

[@AlexTimm]

Yeah they had a recall on some of the 1lb cylinders back in the 2013 - 2016 range of manufacturing from my understanding.

[@Reefahholic]

@@AlexTimm I ordered some flame king 30# cylinders last week. I hope they will be ok.

[@AlexTimm]

@@Reefahholic Fingers crossed! I haven't heard of any issues at all!

[@bw2314]

On the 20k flame king quick disconnect, where is the filter?

[@bobistuff]

so if you set it on the ice with the thermostat being on the bottom, isnt it going to read ice temp and keep it on a high setting and cook you out of your shack? in a flip over shack anyway my feet will get cold and waist up will be hot. just a thought

[@AlexTimm]

That's exactly what I've experienced so far. Unless in something with an insulated floor when out ice fishing it's going to struggle to work properly with the thermostat

[@stevehildre5197]

@@AlexTimm so if directly on ice I would assume it would just not turn off..?

[@gabbyvela]

Can you make a video on how to hook up the green one to a tank I have no idea how to

[@AlexTimm]

Hey Gabby, yes I will 👍

[@beetleblooming]

And I keep seeing where they say if you hook up a 20 lbs tank, to put the tank outside, but I’m confused how to get the hose inside then without leaving the door open which would let more cold air in if you’re using it in a house. Any thoughts/tips on that?

[@kyledonovan5250]

Awsome video thank you it was nice chatting with you today at the black hole grand opening

[@AlexTimm]

Yes it was! Nice to meet you! 👍

[@goofyfid]

The Flame King website states the 20k BTU setting is suitable for outdoor use only. I'm assuming because of the levels of oxygen being burned and the condensation? Is there a similar issue with the 18k BTU setting for the Mr Heater?

[@AlexTimm]

No, that is old language that Flame King is currently working on updating, they all are good for indoor or outdoor use with the proper ventilation. This is straight from Flame King on the top of indoor/outdoor use: "This heater is safe for indoor use in small recreational enclosures having means for providing combustion air and ventilation, such as enclosed porches, cabins, fishing huts, trailers, tent trailers, tents, truck caps and vans. It may be used for emergency indoor heating when connected to a disposable 1 lb. propane cylinder and for indoor use in commercial enclosures, having means for providing combustion air and ventilation, such as construction trailers or temporary work enclosures."

[@thorshammer56]

Please Compare Hoses Needed & Filters if Need with a Hose or Not Needed with a Hose. Best Option ?

[@mattrowe1229]

so does the small one have the quiick connect as well didnt catch that, i didnt see it,ill rewatch

[@AlexTimm]

No it does not

[@g50iceman]

How do you know what size quick connect to get for the 20,000 BTU Flame King heater ? Asking because I Ordered a BIG Flame King and never have hooked up a quick connect to a propane heater So want to make sure I get the right one.

[@AlexTimm]

Same one as the Big Buddy, here is a link to the one with the regulator already attached: amzn.to/3moGj4Q

[@larrybergman6075]

I used a portable buddy heater to heat my RV, and they have one problem. After about six months of daily use the lines inside the heater become plugged with oil from the propane, you then have to take the heater a part and clean the lines and the thermostat valve, and then the heater works again. I'm betting this new heater (the green one) will have the same problem after many months of use.

[@AlexTimm]

Larry, yes that is a common issue if using a low pressure hose without a regulator or fuel filter. And I would imagine just like you say the Flame King heater to be the same way. What hose are you running to it? I might point you to this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4bUoJqcqJyWjLc as to how I have successfully hooked up many of these heaters for years with no issues if you want to watch it. Or just reply back and I can try and help via comments too

[@larrybergman6075]

@@AlexTimm I am using the hose recommended for the buddy heater, and for a year I was using a filter but it didn't make any difference with the oil getting in the lines, it still happened. So, now I have two buddy heaters, one I'm using now, and one that has been cleaned and is ready to go. I swap between the two and always have the second one cleaned out and ready to go when needed.

[@AlexTimm]

@@larrybergman6075 Dang that stinks, I know Mr Heater recommends replacing the fuel filter every 12 months, but depending on your use maybe it needs to be replaced more frequently? Not sure if that would solve the problem but perhaps worth a try?

[@larrybergman6075]

@@AlexTimm after watching your video and learning that there is a low pressure regulator that you can get for the propane tank, I'm going to get one and try it out. Others said it worked for them, and its not real expensive, so its worth a try.

[@AlexTimm]

@@larrybergman6075 Good luck! Hope it works!

[@touchedouche8806]

I havent tried it yet, but 1 bonus if the big buddy is: 2x 20+#tanks can hook up to it for crazy long lasting propane. Love the thermostat on the flame king tho. FJB

[@AlexTimm]

Absolutely - You can actually do that same thing with the Flame King if you wanted to 😉

[@touchedouche8806]

@@AlexTimm well dang. I kinda want the flame king now. The thermostat is a super nice feature

[@AlexTimm]

@@touchedouche8806 Yes! That is why I am excited to give it a try this year

[@jonkirkwood469]

You gave me the information I needed without prolix. Thank-you.

[@AlexTimm]

Great to hear! Thank you so much for that comment, that is the goal in all of my gear videos - take the fluff out and get to the point so people can move on! I appreciate you watching!

[@RocksNRuts4]

hey bud, how bout using a braided metal hose for no leaching?

[@AlexTimm]

I haven't seen one that has the right ratings on it for use with these, but in theory I would think it would work - but would want to confirm from a safety perspective first

[@RocksNRuts4]

@@AlexTimm what rating should i look for? ty

[@AlexTimm]

@@RocksNRuts4 To be honest I haven't found any. Essentially most braided metal hoses are to protect the outside of the hose from damage, but inside that braided metal is usually a rubber / pvc inner hose which is where the Plasticizers come from. You would want to find a high pressure hose that specifically states the rubber won't leech oils. If it were me, I'd just stick with the 10' hose from mr heater as it is proven to work

[@CeigeNUT]

I see the Flame King being prone to issues while ice fishing. I typically set my units on the ice and or on a rubber mat. With the cold air staying near the ground, I don't see the thermostat working well.

[@AlexTimm]

I have a similar concern but think with a rubber mat it may actually work. I'll give it a try and let you know either way

[@danielgreen7159]

I bought a flame king and believe me the "thermostat " absolutely does not work worth a damn. I've gone back to my old reliable buddy heater.

[@TheLakingc]

Do you know why only 20 lb? I have been using 30 lb on the porch outside and feed the tube though a hole.

[@AlexTimm]

I believe back when they made that as the max size it was a cap on what classified as being portable. There really isn't a reason larger tanks wouldn't be compatible outside of not being classified as portable from my understanding

[@robbiek2958]

I'm sure you've used it since you made the video. How did the feet hold up on the flame King 20,000 BTU? And how did the thermostat hold up

[@throwingitoutthere]

Hey Alex, I am looking for a new heater as Big Buddy is starting to die, I am also hard on gear. It all get kicked around in the bottom of my Clam. How did the thermostat on the flame king work out? I'm throwing around the Martin infrared heater.

[@SharonONE1]

Can a filter be used with flame king when using 20# tank, especially since it doesn’t have oscillating head?

[@AlexTimm]

Yes it will still fit, just a bit more difficult to put on than the buddy heater

[@timraber6575]

I have built a stand for my big buddy that I use in my garage. The large flame King didn’t have the holes to hang it.

[@lkhommes1]

Great video ! I have both of the Mr. Buddy's and I'm really looking forward to getting a Flame King. Like the idea of controlling the temp.

[@AlexTimm]

Exactly my thought!

[@karenredding9439]

They really messed up not having the swivel because I hook my Big Buddy heater up to a 40lb propane tank with a filter and regulator hose. I use mine for power outages. Even with natural gas heat I need electric for blower and thermostat.

[@AlexTimm]

Agree, very unfortunate to see they didn't include that feature!

[@girlonaswing9439]

Just what I needed to see. Interested in how many hours a 2olb will last and how big of a room it would heat. Thanks

[@AlexTimm]

I'll be doing a time test here VERY soon (within the next 2 weeks), so stay tuned!

[@AzureCaribe10]

At what elevation can the portable unit go up to? Mr. Buddy is limited to 7000 ft. I camp higher. Cannot find the answer anywhere?

[@AlexTimm]

I haven't tested it at or above that elevation, but here is what the manual says for it: "When operating the heater at altitudes higher than 7,000 feet above sea level, it is possible the burner will not operate at maximum output due to low level of oxygen required for combustion. This is normal. At altitudes even higher, heater might simply turn off or not light at all due to low level of oxygen. Circulate air around heater, wait 5 minutes and try to light again."

[@Montana_Outdoor_Adventures]

It is plastered all over the interweb that Mr Buddy is made in the USA, but I cannot find where the Flame King is made, even on their own website. Does anyone have a link to where they are made?

[@AlexTimm]

Flame King are made in China. Mr. Heater Buddy heaters are also manufactured in China but assembled in Cleveland, Ohio

[@Montana_Outdoor_Adventures]

@@AlexTimm Thank you for the quick response!!! I was under the impression the Buddy's were domestic. Great channel with good content, keep it up!!!

[@mannyfragoza9652]

Flame King also makes a smaller Catalytic heater .I have an older Model Coleman Catalytic heater and if memory servers me correctly it doesn't emit any C02 Which is ideal for indoor use.

[@AlexTimm]

I'll have to look into it! Thanks for the tip!

[@RafaelJaureguiCaball]

How long do the batteries last to operate the fan?

[@AlexTimm]

Good question, I have not done a time test on it, from my previous experience with the big buddy the batteries usually last about 24 hours of run-time

[@Korsm08]

Alex! Matt Korsmo from BBY Blaine. Great videos - lets hit the hard water this year!

[@AlexTimm]

Hey Matt! Thanks and absolutely!

[@donmunro144]

I would like to know if it uses the same loud popping igniter as the buddy heater. Mine sounds like a cannon going off. I've switched to lighting the pilot light with a lighter vs having that snap echo through the woods.

[@AlexTimm]

Yes it does. But if you want a heater with electric ignition. Look at the Buddy Flex heater. Here is a video I did with a comparison of the 3 most popular buddy heaters as of last year: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4bUoJqcqJyWjLc

[@LUVDOGS1954]

Excellent detailed comparison, well done. Thank you.

[@AlexTimm]

Thanks for watching! Glad it was helpful!

[@JarradShaw]

With the thermostat, will it save propane usage?

[@AlexTimm]

Hopefully! I'll let you know if I notice any difference once I get using it this ice season

[@loboheeler]

Flame King heater is only available on Amazon? That sucks!

[@AlexTimm]

Roger, thanks for watching and commenting! And yes, I think as of now that is the case, but I believe some retail stores will begin carrying them later this year from what I have heard.

[@ICEGOD68]

Good in depth video. I’ll be taking a look once I can see one in person

[@AlexTimm]

Yes, I was hesitant at first, but after seeing them in person and playing around with them, I'm impressed! We will see how they hold up!

[@BoombarDiary]

I really really wanna see the review of Flame King. When can you upload it?

[@AlexTimm]

Thanks for commenting and letting me know. I will be doing a time test on them this fall (probably Oct timeframe) and using them out on the ice this winter with an initial review likely in December / January timeframe. Make sure you subscribe to the channel and turn on notifications so you see the reviews as they come out 👍

[@cherylannlopez1960]

Does the new item have room to connect a filter?

[@AlexTimm]

Yes it does 👍

[@TimGriess]

Can the Flame King be used indoors?

[@AlexTimm]

Yes it can, this is what Flame King says about it: "This heater is safe for indoor use in small recreational enclosures having means for providing combustion air and ventilation, such as enclosed porches, cabins, fishing huts, trailers, tent trailers, tents, truck caps and vans. It may be used for emergency indoor heating when connected to a disposable 1 lb. propane cylinder and for indoor use in commercial enclosures, having means for providing combustion air and ventilation, such as construction trailers or temporary work enclosures."

[@stever8595]

Could you use either of these in a tent?

[@AlexTimm]

Yes! Safe for inside a tent with some ventilation for fresh air

[@dclawnmaintenanceandsnowre4099]

Do you know how often you have to change the regulator that comes with the heater

[@AlexTimm]

The regulator shouldn't have to be changed at all unless you have something malfunctioning

[@TrinhNguyen-wu3mw]

Thank you and happy new year.

[@AlexTimm]

Happy new year!

[@MrChamberlaindavidd]

Been considering this heater but a handful of reviews on Amazon mention it catching on fire which is a little concerning.

[@AlexTimm]

Oh no! I'll have to check those reviews out. I haven't had any issues with it catching on fire. However after 1 year of using the new Flame King heaters, I will be sticking with the Buddy Heaters as my preference and go to.

[@MrChamberlaindavidd]

@@AlexTimm That's an interesting note do you have any specific reasons as to why you will be sticking to the buddy? Been using a buddy 24/7 every winter long for the last 12 years. They are great but only last in that heavy use about 3 years and it's time to replace mine. Really liked the thermostat control idea but wasn't sure it was worth the risk.

[@AlexTimm]

@@MrChamberlaindavidd Unless you are using on an insulated floor and in a space with good air circulation the thermostat doesn't really work great as it is at the very bottom of the unit and the ceiling will be blazing hot before it trips it to turn off. I've also had some issues with carbon monoxide coming off the unit when the thermostat is triggering the unit to go on and off

[@MrChamberlaindavidd]

@@AlexTimm Thanks for the reply I've actually wondered about how effective the control would be. Looks like I'll stick with my Buddy. Thank you👍

[@kings17court]

I really like the thermostat capability of the Flame King. I think every space heater should have a functioning thermostat. It looks like the Buddy misses that mark in that regard.

[@AlexTimm]

I'd LOVE to see the buddy heater introduce something like that or even a wireless thermostat it connected to so you could have it read from where you put the thermostat

[@escapetherace1943]

me too, the human body is just unreliable. I don't know when it's warm, I need a device that tells me I'm warm. Cheers

[@sdh4557]

I’m reading that the new Big Buddy heaters have no fan. With that being the case which would be the better choice?

[@AlexTimm]

Personal preference, I know the big buddy heaters stand up to a good amount of use and abuse, haven't tested out the flame king heaters yet, but will this year. So stay tuned.

[@bryandunn4886]

Correct with no fan. But search stove top fan for big buddy heater. This mod will cost a little extra but it's free energy.

[@AlexTimm]

@@bryandunn4886 Yeah those things are nice if you want to get serious about the fan. Heck they move way more air even if the heater has a fan built into it

[@noctilucent7396]

I think they still have the fan, theirs two models tho with or without the fan.

[@benton-benton]

Great video! I learned so much. I was really liking the Flame King because I could just use one cylinder at a time. But when you got to the part about how the cylinder goes in, I changed my mind. Buddy has a better design for screwing it in. Just one question: Where do you store the 1 lb tanks? Thanks so much! Excellent description, best I've seen!

[@AlexTimm]

Glad it was helpful! Yeah I really wish the screw in points on the Flame King swiveled. I keep my 1lb propane tanks on a shelf in my garage and my other ones (5,11, 20lb tanks) on the floor in the garage

[@nelsonketch7447]

I just noticed that you and some other reviewers liked the way the buddy heater screws in the tank. I was showing my propane dealer this and he says don’t buy a heater with moving connections because they can wear out and cause fires. He says to always use solid non moving connections like the flame king🎉. The flame King should be safer for many years. I have not used a flame king yet, as I have two buddy heaters and have not had trouble with the two bigger ones but have returned one of the smallest round buddy heater and junked a second small buddy heater that sits on top of the tank.

[@AlexTimm]

Interesting, I've not had any issues with those connections and in fact feel it to be better as the ones that don't move like the Flame King I feel like if I try screwing it in and put a bit too much sideways pressure I'm going to break the connection off

[@Praetoria113-zm3no]

Great analysis. This is how you do it.

[@AlexTimm]

Thank you! I appreciate that! Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@ladyhawk1083]

Question I bought one of the big buddy heaters but mine is like forest green and it also has a heater on it what I'm thinking and finding now is I'm scared to use it around my oil and also my kerosene lamps that I've got plus I've got a 1950 and antique kerosene heater that works fine plus I bought the big new kerosene heater but I'm going to use the 20 lb propane tank with my big buddy propane heater if I don't have that on there the right way where it showed that I can know it was so test it with soapy water making sure it doesn't leak but what says that if it leaks and I've got Open flame which I smoke plus my lamps in my kerosene heater that a doesn't go kaboom so I'm starting to think I made a big mistake buying that propane heater which also where I get my propane she says do not put one of those propane heaters in the house with one of those big tanks now I'm scared

[@xrayron1]

Love my 10,000 mr budy with a 5 pound real tank. I use it mostly in my shadow hunter blind.

[@AlexTimm]

Sweet, a perfect use for it! The comforts of a small portable heater are awesome, couldn't imagine not having one.

[@xrayron1]

@@AlexTimm Had a ice storm a few years ago and put a 20 pounder inside my living room keep the room at 60 degrees.

[@AlexTimm]

@@xrayron1 They work, no question!

[@xrayron1]

@@AlexTimm To hot for my 4x6 shadow hunter blind. Have to turn it off and on but I like to stay warm hunting.

[@AlexTimm]

@@xrayron1 Maybe look at getting the small flame king with the thermostat so it can help regulate the heat - might be worth it

[@_the_watcher_2089]

The only thing that I dislike about both heaters is not making a usb Option so it can use a power bank, I fixed my mr heater to use one though.

[@AlexTimm]

Yes, seems silly to not have that built in

[@kevinferger9897]

If you are in a tent on the ice, I don't think the thermostat would cycle unless it's well insulated . Maybe in an insulated shack it would work well.

[@AlexTimm]

Yeah, I think the big issue would be if you set the heater on the ice / snow. I'm going to try it this winter on a foam square or on a bucket and see if it works. I will also try it on an insulated floor where I am sure it will work out well.

[@danielgreen7159]

I have one for inside and no, it still doesn't work.

[@billrundell2097]

I like the flame King unit style better than the Mr. Heater. Where can I buy one?

[@donmoss2299]

Like the heater , but it throws embers when lighting but does the job.

[@joshjjklun2]

How many BTU do you recommend per square foot?

[@AlexTimm]

30 on the low end and 60 on the high end

[@mattrowe1229]

so the prta budy does not hve a uick connect either

[@AlexTimm]

Correct

[@jtenrec1]

I don't see where the Flame King has an Oxygen depletion sensor. Am I missing it?

[@AlexTimm]

On the box and online it says "Built in Safety Fuel Shutoff" - but in the manual it gets a lot more specific about it being an oxygen depletion sensor. I will try and track down the manual and put it in here.

[@AlexTimm]

Alan Wuertenberg, Here you go, the language from the manual: "This heater consumes oxygen in the combustion process. Each heater requires a minimum opening of 20 square inch (129 sq. cm) of fresh air venting for a safe and proper combustion. Example minimum 4" x 5". For your safety, this heater features an Oxygen Depletion System (ODS), which is a low oxygen level sensor that shuts off the gas supply to the heater avoiding accumulation of toxic carbon monoxide in the environment. * The ODS system DOES NOT detect presence of carbon monoxide. It detects low levels of oxygen available in the combustion process. Low oxygen level in combustion produces carbon monoxide, a toxic and odorless gas. If the ODS has shut heater off, provide fresh air venting in the area before relighting. If unit keeps shutting off, even when in vertical operating position, have it verified."

[@hilliswyatt8047]

Does the little 10000 have fan

[@AlexTimm]

No it doesn't unfortunately