Alfa Romeo 164 3 0 v6 24v Hows it holding up

[@vondamaraland2697]

These Alfa's were massively underrated and it's great to see such a well preserved one. I was lucky enough to have driven a few of them and they were great cars.

[@Brisbane2024]

The Alfa 164 was one of the Alfa’s who made me an Alfa Fan. This one is an very nice and well groomed exemplar.

[@gbattilanaf]

I own a 94 super, with the same engine, 80k original miles. Delighful car.

[@ItaliaAutos]

Very nice!

[@richardjohnson3463]

Lovely example, just goes to show they last quite well if properly looked after. Beautiful car

[@davidfoster1762]

A credit to the owner😀

[@ryanm.3681]

this is the car that started my love affair with Alfa Romeo. I saw it in a Road & Track magazine when I was 12 and fell in love

[@freefall6696]

Naughty memory: back in the day, I was once stuck in my 164 V6 (had to be Alfa red, of course) in the fast lane behind a Mercedes saloon (C-class, whatever) that refused to pull over doing about 80mph. It accelerated to 90 to shake me off. Nothing doing. Merc' accelerates to 100mph... nothing doing. Finally at about 110 (as I recall) it pulled over. I floored the pedal and the dear old Busso engine purred as I sailed past the Merc. I got up to about 125 until, satisfied that the Merc' was in my dust, I slowed back down. Childish, I know, but most Alfa drivers will agree: there's just something about German car drivers that gets the Alfista's blood up... 😎 (This all happened on a German autobahn of course 😉).

[@scottlehuray7062]

Personally i let them race off, makes me smile lol They dont like a pretty italian machine cramping their style and off they go like a scolded cat lol I like to drive at my speed no matter what, its more enjoyable that way. And my car will stay pristine.

[@superloopy24v]

Similar story here, being tailgated by a Mitsubishi Galant in my 24v Super Lusso, waited for the uphill section of road and bye bye Mitsubishi, they tried for a while and then gave up. I won't mention indicated speed but it was well up towards the specified top speed

[@italianduded1161]

Gorgeous car!

[@matthewbell1968]

That is an absolute belter I bet Neil's eyes lit up when this thing rolled in to the garage 😉😉

[@petrhavlicek393]

Alfa Romeo 164 3.0 V6 was my dream.😄😄

[@jackdr1759]

164 QV, I've never clicked so fast 😅

[@ItaliaAutos]

enjoy.

[@bobibest89]

One of the best looking sedans of all time. If this car was RWD and had better wiring we wouldn't have known what BMW is.

[@scottlehuray7062]

164 with body kit is a real sharp looking machine

[@ItaliaAutos]

Very nice

[@420Ard]

Wonderful, wonderful car. I owned an '89 2 liter Twin Spark in exactly this colour combination. After 300k km's it was immaculate inside and out! It was the Alfa Romeo Netherlands director's company car. Unfortunately the early twin spark setup proved impossible to put right once it started having serious issues... Sold it to Germany as a movie/series prop. I still own a very nice metallic blue '93 3.0 V6 24v Super with black leather interior today. Hasn't run for 16 years, waiting for a future revival. In my opinion the 164 is the most beautiful sedan ever made.

[@martinlagrange8821]

Dream car ! I have had one in my life, and would dearly want another - without thinking about it for a minute

[@ranjanaluwihare1511]

Stunning 164, stunning design & a stunning timeless classic!

[@karlos1060]

My brother had a 164 QV back in the days! Very nice car indead! Lovely and glorious engine! I had 2 164's myselve...but just the 2 liter twin spark, wich were also very nice and good! Had a timing chain and low maintenance for such cars!

[@User_76ytrl]

Bella Alfa ❤️⭐🧿🔥 regards from Grecia,ciao

[@TopGames-dr2hz]

I had one of these and it was my third 164. A fantastic car and I wish I’d never sold it.... I didn’t realise just how great it was. Thanks for the video.

[@marcbrasse747]

Beng a wedge fan I've had a soft spot for the 164 from when it first appeared. A great car that will rise in value in the coming years. The state of this one is indeed fabulous. Typically it still has non-pressed wheel carrying members. That's how an a Alfa should be built!

[@skimmingstoness]

Just got a Giulietta about a month ago after watching the buyers guide absolutely loving it

[@Dave.S.TT600]

I really enjoyed that summary and look around & underneath - Thanks!

[@ItaliaAutos]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@keithallen9994]

Great car. I had a black k reg v6 that was modified from new by Lombarda in London. Kids used to call it the black beast! It was 6 years old when I had it and I ran it for about 3 years. Only ever needed servicing, valve clearances and a set of front suspension bushes.

[@marktoby8113]

Oh she's a stunner! I loved my 164, she was a 2ltr twinnie and I should never have sold it!

[@chrisrichmond403]

What a stunner this Bella . Defo one to shut up the doubters of the quality of Alfa Romeo.

[@martinpearson4639]

Lovely car. The first time I ever saw a 164 was in Wolverhampton in autumn 1988 not long after the model was introduced. A red 2.0.

[@italianduded1161]

Absolutely gorgeous! I need one 😍

[@vojtara]

164s got really good rustproofing. There are only a few known issues. Front jacking points are weak - they are holding only by floor pan and not the actual sill, so they tends to crack and that is why there is rust. Other week point is rear longtitudal arm mount - it is collecting water from leaking sunroof and boot lid. Other than that there usually are no rust issues and there is no real trouble finding clean car. And what´s more, 164s are really solid mechanically. Biggest problem is getting parts to maintain them. Basic things like shock absorbers are gettnig rare and many times you just have to rebuild ones you have. Really it is not that easy keeping these on the road.

[@TheFlyingBusman]

I once razzed the identical model down the A68 through the Scottish Borders on my way from Edinburgh to East Yorkshire. Tired and ropey example but still went well and made all the right noises. Was definitely an entertaining trip home.

[@CaptureAVtube]

I absolutely loved mine. Thenonly issue I has with it was that it needed new suspension bushes at every service as it handled so good I drove it like a hot hatch lol.

[@lockhartflawse1225]

Very nice. I had a twin spark and it was one of the best cars I have ever owned.

[@darryllongley4025]

Stunning car I've had 4

[@timhancock6626]

I had three, two Twin Sparks and a V6 Super. Probably the nicest cars all round I have ever owned. I had a 75 TS and a 156 2.4 Sportwagon as well.

[@Strike86]

She's gorgeous Neil. Are you going to do a follow up video with the engine bay detail? Love to see that.

[@MLC...]

Agree. Would like to see more.

[@ItaliaAutos]

No more videos planned on this one. It was done off camera. I do have some pictures of the work but that's on my patreon page.

[@timhancock6626]

Should be 220 BHP in the Cloverleaf 24valve. 210BHP on the Super. The Cloverleaf has bigger headers. My children have never forgiven me for selling my 24 valve super which they said was the nicest car they have ever travelled long distances in. Apart from the cambelt, the biggest risk is the diff. 164s were really well rust treated, far better than the 166.

[@rakerholm]

233 in the 24v QV.

[@superloopy24v]

...and 211 in the Super Lusso

[@salvofarnia8046]

Thats a great looking car

[@salvofarnia8046]

V6 Busso a great classic, timeless design

[@broomad]

Love these - mine went up in smoke and caused a 3 mile tail back on the A45 in Northampton. I looked for the clarion stereo but could never find one in 6 years of ownership so you're right about being super rare :-)

[@Thecarman1994]

Thanks Neil, good video and content. I look forward to seeing how you attend to the engine compartment and underbody.

[@jazbina21]

Alfista for ever

[@howardlake6178]

Oh I love that. Nearly bought one in 2000, but I drove it on a wet day, and it was monster torque steer. But they do really handle, and that musical instrument under the bonnet 😀

[@ItaliaAutos]

Thanks for sharing

[@alfaman4113]

Those seats are the nicest car seats I’ve ever seen, especially the back seats

[@aslandama]

One of my favourite cars, just off beat quirky styling inside and out.

[@pereldh5741]

Rare 24V QV! I have that same engine, but in a 1990 Alfa 75

[@ItaliaAutos]

Nice

[@henkhoogenraad6473]

Love the Recaro seats !

[@karenmurray3098]

wow, what a bueaty ! amazingly good condition

[@downesy68]

Absolutely stunning car.

[@ItaliaAutos]

It is.

[@michaelstaley2241]

Lovely classic Alfa beautiful I like the 166 v6 a real beauty.😎

[@richfixescars]

My Dad had 2 of these as company cars, a 92 K reg 12valve, Alfa red with tan leather, K676 LGC from Charles Ivey and then a 1996 24v Alfa red with tan leather, reg N87 UMO, from Stourminster Alfa in Stourbridge.

[@simonjohnson2103]

That's a lovely-looking 164! I loved my 164 3.0v6 and wish that I had never sold it... wonderful cars, great to drive but sadly getting thin on the ground now...

[@paultaylor9652]

Very nice car, my favourite is still a modern Alfa, the Giulietta.

[@GinToni_]

What a great car

[@adamjow8405]

Can't recall ever seeing one on the road. That one looks in great condition and we'll maintained

[@markwass3002]

Long time coming. I have a black Cloverleaf and love it. But it really needs a visit with you for some bits.

[@ItaliaAutos]

Nice,

[@alistairharris7891]

Black with tan?

[@markwass3002]

@@alistairharris7891 no black with black. P reg

[@demodansoundwavemusic9677]

wow what a well kept alfa. i hope you do a video of the engine bay after the work and detailling. also was that an aftermarket exhaust ?

[@izzatfauzimustafa6535]

Alfa 164 could have indirectly inspired other FWD luxury and performance sedans after it, particularly the ones made by Honda, Toyota & Nissan.

[@markreynolds8449]

Be interested to see the detailed engine bay pictures and video of what you did Neil?

[@ItaliaAutos]

Pics are on my Patreon page.

[@DrumToTheBassWoop]

That car has been overly loved, too much in fact. She looks brand new. :0

[@tariqmahmood6497]

I miss my 164 , 😳 shouldaaa couldaaaa wouldaaaa

[@bullittplumbing397]

If only my ‘93 164S was in as good shape... What a beautiful sight! Very eager to see how the repairs are done

[@Heyyoo921]

Its a Nice QV.. My dream is a 164 QV4x4 🙌

[@brunobaumann9405]

I have a Q4 in rosso proteo from 1994 in even better condition... She has only 90 kkm, absolutely no rust, only a few dips on the front of the bonet because of little stones. Sorry - it's not for sale!

[@Любитель-я6н]

Очень классный автомобиль!!!

[@alfamonk]

Thought 24v cloverleaf was230hp. Had one, a beast, but this has the ulta-rare Recaros ❤️

[@ItaliaAutos]

This isn’t a cloverleaf

[@alfamonk]

@@ItaliaAutos you might want to check that. Are you thinking Q4?

[@ItaliaAutos]

@@alfamonk maybe I am lol

[@grotesmurf1]

The one thumbs down on this vid must be a Vauxhall owner Neil ;-)

[@ItaliaAutos]

From the timing of it along with a comment. It was the guy who said its got 230bhp.

[@greenberlina]

Manual too 😎

[@TommyRogic18]

Amazing car, wonder how often it’s driven? Keep seeing a red 2000GT in our neck of the woods Neil, hope it turns up to the garage soon!

[@kuseetha.]

Hi Neil, would you show the cam belt replacement procedure on a 164 24V please? It is one hell of a job with the plunger type hydraulic de-tensioner set with air gaps and weighted tool to set the tension. I don't think there is a single video in all of KZbin that shows it being done properly. TIA

[@PeteCourtier]

Stunning car😍 Thanks for sharing👍

[@ItaliaAutos]

Thanks for watching!

[@marino4691]

what a car!!!!

[@captbiggles2808]

Hiya from 🇿🇦 👋 When are you going to take 1 more step down the family tree and produce a Buyer’s Guide on the 166 with the Busso V6 engine ? 🙏🤷‍♂️

[@simonhodgetts6530]

Lovely, lovely, lovely!!!

[@ItaliaAutos]

enjoy.

[@alistairharris7891]

Best colour combo the red. The black with tan leather is also nice. I had a deep green with black leather and also a 12v burgundy with grey cloth. Loved those cars, faults were with the Bosch electronics. Stupid incandescent dash lighting, door handles would snap, and also the seat motors would stick. Power steering racks were bad. Overall solid for an Alfa.

[@howardlake6178]

Yes, it should be 220bhp,and when they first came out they were a new beginning for Alfa, so rust proofed extremely well. Known by some as 'Big Sud' because it retained the Sud front suspension to give it great handing 😀

[@ItaliaAutos]

From what I can find out this engine is the 210 super, The qv was 230 ish.

[@Boris-xx7dw]

Amazing condition and a rare real alfa , now review the 166 mate lol .

[@ItaliaAutos]

Na. Lol

[@aschlautmann]

Just a minor comment - the Turbos are obviously also Bussos - just in a 2L guise. I have a GTV TB and it is also a great engine... ;-)

[@alfaman4113]

The look ace lowered with that body kit

[@MrMucciacito]

Mio padre aveva comprato nel 1996 un'alfa romeo 164 di seconda mano a benzina che ha avuto fino al 1999 che mi piaceva molto come macchina era color zucchero e aveva dei bell'interni verdi in velluto dentro

[@7302ab]

proper alfa

[@bgsancho]

Powerflex on front wishbones for 164 totally sucks! Last 3000km on mine! With their grease!

[@pk93cov]

Lookslike a massive peugeot 405 from the side

[@jazbina21]

Good car

[@ItaliaAutos]

thanks for watching

[@howardlake6178]

Actually, I think, as someone said, 230bhp. Being quite a light car by modern standards, it would 'surprise' a few powerful modern cars 😂

[@aHumanCookiee]

They do! A 12 valver with 192bhp will hit 65-70 in second gear, and in quite a rapid way, with a 230bhp cloverleaf and the willingness to dump the clutch you would probably be looking at 0-60 in the mid to high 6s which is more or less modern hot hatch territory.

[@BojanBojovic]

Is it possible to spray the new cars underneath for additional protection? I remember my father doing this to his cars in the eighties, that additional layer started to peal off after 10 years or so which made those cars entirely rust free. Although the climate here is not so humid.

[@ItaliaAutos]

Yes you can I have done it I several of my videos

[@nsz2302]

WOOOW!!!

[@ItaliaAutos]

enjoy.

[@nsz2302]

@@ItaliaAutos Next up 166?

[@neilmcclary3589]

Wonderfull

[@fonziebulldog5786]

That was a cool car when it first came out and the V6 was just great. Sadly the Alfa Romeo quality was the same and i remember when a car testing magazine in my country Sweden tested it and got a broken gear lever and the window crank in his hand. But like i said, the engine was great. Not to mention the futuristic four cylinder engine version with twin spark. 😊👍

[@155stw]

For minor rusts spots, what do you think of dry method?

[@fhwolthuis]

👍👌

[@nikolasruzickaV6busso]

Hi, is it possible to put 2.0 ts 164 gearbox in to 3.0 v6 164 ? Will it work ? Mine is done and i have spare 2.0

[@ItaliaAutos]

Doubt it bolt holes not in the same place.

[@drincogni]

Maybe the car was not uses during winter so didnt get the road salt!

[@ItaliaAutos]

always garaged.

[@xuzm]

how much are these worth? Im looking at one, but dont know really how much is should bid.

[@ItaliaAutos]

They vary a lot. £3000-8000

[@TimTam770]

under the back confused me, is it Rwd or Fwd?

[@Strike86]

FWD - they also made a Q4 model which is 4WD.

[@alistairharris7891]

It’s a fwd platform car. Alfa fiat Saab collaboration. 164, croma, 9000. Same basic body shell. Should have been rwd 🙄🙄

[@melorate]

Is the white Giulia yours?

[@ItaliaAutos]

It is

[@melorate]

Awesome

[@rezaq1]

The rear subframes are impossible to get. I had a spare with my black car but I sold it on with the vehicle. Be worth asking the customer if he wants his rear subframe protected with some cavity wax as he will not be able to replace it when it rots through.

[@aHumanCookiee]

Anything can be replaced/repaired if you have the money/willingness to keep a car like this on the road. That being said it is the reason a lot of these ended up in the scrap heap, I have a galvanized one fitted to mine that a former owner sold to me, my original one that I took off (bit rusty on the surface) and one I inherited when my mechanic retired along with a brand new front screen. These bits are still out there, they are just hidden in places and you have to be lucky with your timing really.

[@bikewii5059]

Bolsonaro 2022

[@rezaq1]

No mate, 233hp in a 24v QV. My brother has exactly the same car with the same electric Recaros