ALFA ROMEO 4C - THE £40,000 SUPERCAR?! FEAT. DANNI MENZIES

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888MF

888MF

Күн бұрын

In this video we carry out a road test of the Alfa Romeo 4C with guest presenter Danni Menzies, from CH4's A Place in the Sun.
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Directed by @mrjaymodi
Shot & Edited by @rishan.pithwa
#alfaromeo #alfaromeo4c #sportscar

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@4gosselin
@4gosselin 5 жыл бұрын
I like how this 4C overview has two point of views. I've watched almost every video in preparation for my recent 4C purchase and this is one of the best.
@lukesimms8804
@lukesimms8804 5 жыл бұрын
I own my own 4c. Saved up like mad and i love it! Wouldnt change it for the world. The quirks give it personality and that is what alters it from being a normal day to day car such as the Caymen, into ths most rewarding car to drive... if anyone wants one. Take my advice and buy one whilse the values are steady!!!
@888mf4
@888mf4 5 жыл бұрын
I agree with you
@saxton4x467
@saxton4x467 5 жыл бұрын
Such a fun car to drive, and the fact it only has a 1750cc engine makes it all the better!
@888mf4
@888mf4 5 жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@russellclark1978
@russellclark1978 5 жыл бұрын
Very cool car Mark, and the yellow is a fantastic colour for the 4C. In fact I'd say it's the best colour for this Alfa. Would absolutely love a drive in one of these!!
@Nine9Three
@Nine9Three 5 жыл бұрын
We have two cars in common. The 4C and the 360 CS. They are very much of the same ethos. I enjoy them both. Outstanding production work!
@888mf4
@888mf4 5 жыл бұрын
tom avery Both great cars. The 360CS sound is one of the best in the world.
@ghepardogts
@ghepardogts 5 жыл бұрын
kino proby revemont
@davidevieira9784
@davidevieira9784 5 жыл бұрын
You made my perspective about the 4C change, congrat
@888mf4
@888mf4 5 жыл бұрын
Great!!
@verynormalman
@verynormalman 4 ай бұрын
As an owner, you can't drive in boots like that. The peddle set up with the aluminium, it's so easy to make an error with your feet. I am 6'2" with feet in proportion. So this is the only car, where I keep some slim trainers as driving shoes. The AR designed P Zero's are a massive part of the handling issue problems. And width restrictors in London are difficult, especially when some of the "KERB" stones are pushed out of line.
@petardenchev6596
@petardenchev6596 5 жыл бұрын
That car will only grow in value, it has all the ingredients for a future classic.
@sandroceriani8554
@sandroceriani8554 5 жыл бұрын
In italy now is out of production...and the price for a good used car with a small amout of km...is 70.000€...
@philbvb1
@philbvb1 5 жыл бұрын
@@sandroceriani8554 here in germany a good, barely used one is about 45-60tsd and a complete new one 60-65tsd.
@Miniorpernik
@Miniorpernik 4 жыл бұрын
@@sandroceriani8554 out of production?really?it is stiil on the online configurator (alfa romeo official web in italy)..well the spider is....sad to see it go...
@sandroceriani8554
@sandroceriani8554 4 жыл бұрын
@@Miniorpernik only for asian people...not in europe
@sebastianconstantin5176
@sebastianconstantin5176 2 жыл бұрын
i was actually lookin at prices, now its 70 000 euros. in 2019 was 50 000 euros. fukin 50% apreciation in value.
@AbbadonXII
@AbbadonXII 5 жыл бұрын
"I hate the colour" .. It's rare "oh ok, I change my mind"
@gpapa31
@gpapa31 3 ай бұрын
@11:41 “it’s not expensive…” really?!?🤔 it’s like £45,000+ second hand. I know I know it’s a baby supercar/luxury vehicle but as in general IT IS an expensive car for the significant majority (0ver 85%) of people who don’t earn a 6 figure salary. Having said that IMHO this is THE BEST review of the car I have watched.
@boblivingston4841
@boblivingston4841 5 жыл бұрын
I have a red 4C and love it. Great review
@888mf4
@888mf4 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@davidemartorana4708
@davidemartorana4708 4 жыл бұрын
I have to ask you... does it attract girls?
@peterdragoni3185
@peterdragoni3185 3 жыл бұрын
2021 and its value is already growing. As a 4c Track Edition owner, i know it very well 🤣
@prezervdetailing
@prezervdetailing 5 жыл бұрын
Lightweight is the way forward.
@michaelezra5496
@michaelezra5496 5 жыл бұрын
Love the 4C! Great video.
@867plantation
@867plantation 4 жыл бұрын
As a 4C owner I can say the car is unique in its driving experience. The lack of power steering is a nonissue once you are underway, even at speeds as low as 5mph, however a 6 speed would add a little more fun factor. The car is complete blast to drive and the low weight makes it feel faster than it is. That is not to say it is slow but nowadays a low 4 second to 60 is only quick not fast. With that said a dual clutch transmission is all the rage in sports cars these days and finding a manual transmission is difficult in most brands. If I was to purchase another car it would be a GT350 which I consider a more practical car. I already own a corvette and that is far more powerful and a price equivalent but lacks the character of the 4C. In addition, limited production numbers and lack of dealers make the 4C appear much more exotic and rare even in South Florida where exotics are relatively common. You can daily drive this. despite Doug's score, and the trammling (inability to track on rough surfaces) is not an issue in most roads in the USA.The support of the 4C forum and other owner groups is also an additional benefit.
@Trista1983
@Trista1983 2 жыл бұрын
I want one and this EXACT color. I fell in love with these in my 20's. Now in my 30's I'm ready to by the latest edition which I believe is a 2020.
@carllynch8798
@carllynch8798 5 жыл бұрын
My first car was a mk2 Ford Fiesta XR2 ! Great vid and lovely Alfa
@RobertKarlBerta
@RobertKarlBerta 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. I agree with your comments. I own a 2015 4C Launch Edition bought new and trouble free...4Cs have proven to be pretty much bullet proof. Stock it is an awesome car and with just a few tweaks it becomes a track monster but still a comfortable street car. Have owned a lot of cars in my life (71 years old) including some race cars....this car really hits all my buttons....performance, .looks, sound, etc.
@888mf4
@888mf4 5 жыл бұрын
I am glad you are enjoying your car
@missemmawalsh
@missemmawalsh 5 жыл бұрын
Great quality video! Can’t wait to drive it
@damianboone8350
@damianboone8350 5 жыл бұрын
Miss Emma Walsh chaos
@CAR_NL
@CAR_NL 5 жыл бұрын
Great review! Describes perfectly my feelings about my car. It's just so much fun! With a tune (+50hp is a lot! on this weight), different tyres and front lower wishbones shims, this car changes in something even way more serious! One correction: the 4C is still being build. Untill end of 2019. Then production will end.
@aaroncunningham5362
@aaroncunningham5362 5 жыл бұрын
Great car and great video! Have driven a standard 4C and one that has been tuned by Alfaworks. Can honestly say the upgrades from Alfaworks turn the car from fantastic to sublime. Would highly recommend to get it done 👌
@888mf4
@888mf4 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Aaron. I had the geometry fixed by Alfaworks and they sprinkled their magic on the car.
@svenjacques3652
@svenjacques3652 5 жыл бұрын
I was also going to mention alfaworks since mine has the ecu and the quicksilver exhaust. Better sound and what a performance upgrade 40 more horses make.
@lambo6134
@lambo6134 2 жыл бұрын
FANTASTIC review. To come from Mark who has good comparisons means even more. I’m sold on the yellow! Why not have a colour that stands out with a car like that. I’m now looking to buy one!
@JoTokutora
@JoTokutora 5 жыл бұрын
I have the Coupe Madreperla. Traded my first Gen M2 for it, and not single days regret!
@SM-sc2zl
@SM-sc2zl 5 жыл бұрын
Yet to drive one but will consider upgrading from my RS Megane 275 Trophy-R in the near future. The lack of sound deadening, firm ride and exposed foot pedals look awesome. Great to hear it's a real drivers car.
@888mf4
@888mf4 5 жыл бұрын
It is so much fun and quite rare too
@lok481
@lok481 5 жыл бұрын
I’ve gone from Trophy R to Elise s Cup. The Elise is fantastic but the R is still strong in my memory. It’s not a car you ‘replace’ and forget it’s just too great.
@lovecars4182
@lovecars4182 5 жыл бұрын
Nice video. It would very interesting to see this go head to head with the Alpine A110.
@888mf4
@888mf4 5 жыл бұрын
I totally agree
@robertcomella3587
@robertcomella3587 5 жыл бұрын
Great car...yellow is nice...rosso competitizone is best...car is beautiful....best toy for money
@CalvinsCarDiary
@CalvinsCarDiary 5 жыл бұрын
Nice video 😎 I think you already know how I feel about the 4c, brilliant choice of car mate. You’re spot on, it’s a good value for money supercar 👌
@romanholidaycandybat
@romanholidaycandybat 5 жыл бұрын
Great commentary and loved the Uno Turbo ref! Proper petrol head.
@888mf4
@888mf4 5 жыл бұрын
Uno Turbo was so much fun!
@CAR_NL
@CAR_NL 5 жыл бұрын
@@888mf4 it is, still! One of the best hot hatches ever.
@SaenzFonsi
@SaenzFonsi 5 жыл бұрын
Yellow is fine with me, it is visible and since I ride bikes, it reminds me of the yellow jersey. Car is s awesome, if you are rich and can afford the service.
@MoreThanCars
@MoreThanCars 5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fantastic production quality. Great video!!!
@888mf4
@888mf4 5 жыл бұрын
MoreThanCars Thanks Phil
@Maggiolino45cv
@Maggiolino45cv 5 жыл бұрын
Patatona bionda al volante dell'Alfa.......smack!
@danielferraresi2818
@danielferraresi2818 5 жыл бұрын
Morto!
@mishview
@mishview 4 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy there are people like you, who can tell most keyboard racers that the 4C is a real supercar..and belongs in one sentence with the Lambo , Mclaren etc... I've been crazy Alfist all my life, currently owning a yellow Megane Trophy , but looking to get in the near future a 4C coupe :) .... cheers #888mf
@mikestang679
@mikestang679 5 жыл бұрын
I only drive convertibles in these pocket rocket size type of vehicles, any plans for a spyder or roadsters here?
@888mf4
@888mf4 5 жыл бұрын
In my opinion the coupe looks better, so no plans to buy a Spyder. However the carbon tub should mean that they perform very similarly
@PRG888
@PRG888 5 жыл бұрын
I think the best colour is compezioni red (mine is that colour :-) )
@JoTokutora
@JoTokutora 5 жыл бұрын
Madreperla white is not bad
@leonardr6704
@leonardr6704 5 жыл бұрын
So cool to read all the comments from 4c owners in here. Danni was right about it being an achievable dream...I will join you all someday soon!
@StefABtv
@StefABtv 5 жыл бұрын
*cracking video mate*
@888mf4
@888mf4 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@norwegianblue2017
@norwegianblue2017 5 жыл бұрын
I love what Alfa is doing lately. Beautiful little car! It would be a crime to have it in black or white. How dreary for a car like this. Alfa is the only European car maker that gets my interest lately.
@goldmax3352
@goldmax3352 5 жыл бұрын
Lately? you do know the 4c is no longer being made?
@norwegianblue2017
@norwegianblue2017 5 жыл бұрын
@@goldmax3352 Funny, you can still buy a 2019 model according to their website. Not recent enough? Not to mention the Stelvia and Giulia which are all brilliant.
@DG-od8ez
@DG-od8ez 5 жыл бұрын
That is NOT true. Production continues for 2018. I visited the factory in Modena recently and watched them being produced.
@Silentwitness1978
@Silentwitness1978 5 жыл бұрын
Just make sure if you buy one you read the owners manual on tyre pressure. They gotta be very low. Most people run them too high and the car bounces around like a skateboard.
@888mf4
@888mf4 5 жыл бұрын
What Psi do you run the tyres at?
@Silentwitness1978
@Silentwitness1978 5 жыл бұрын
@@888mf4 26psi on front and 29psi on the rear. It's actually in the manual. Mine had the Alfaworks spacers on the front control arms but the dealer had the pressures at 35psi all round. It was SO touchy on the highway following every crease in the road. So I read the manual, dropped the pressures as above and it's spot on now.
@Peter-ji5hz
@Peter-ji5hz 5 жыл бұрын
Love the 4c deffently looking for one in the future
@mawsleycarvaleting2706
@mawsleycarvaleting2706 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. Sorry we had to turn round and go home “new wife needed” 😂😂. Totally agree with you on this car.
@Skilz111
@Skilz111 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome production, awesome vid, awesome car!! 👌🏿
@888mf4
@888mf4 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@AlexPletcherPhoto
@AlexPletcherPhoto 2 жыл бұрын
LOVE the color
@steffenpedersen6704
@steffenpedersen6704 3 жыл бұрын
Nice with a different car review. Refreshing and relevant👍🏻
@davidgilmour8542
@davidgilmour8542 5 жыл бұрын
Brilliant Vlog... brilliantly presented and edited!
@888mf4
@888mf4 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@alwaysalady2u751
@alwaysalady2u751 5 жыл бұрын
4 c's classy compact color cool
@alexdeleon8507
@alexdeleon8507 5 жыл бұрын
I am so tired of amateurs complaining about manual steering. ANYONE who has owned a mid engine car with manual steering knows that the trick is to NOT TURN THE WHEEL WHILE YOU ARE STATIONARY. Of course it will be heavy. If you have the car even SLIGHTLY in motion, the weight lets up significantly and makes parking lot maneuvering no big deal. Learn to drive a mid engine car before you complain about a mid engine car.....Unless of course you already know all this and are just exaggerating to make your review more dramatic. Which I think is usually the case.
@sunnybwoy4547
@sunnybwoy4547 5 жыл бұрын
you seem to know alot about mid engine cars lmfao
@lus1514
@lus1514 4 жыл бұрын
There is a sport mode too You can activate it when you hold dynamic
@frasernicol8746
@frasernicol8746 5 жыл бұрын
Great quality content I can see your channel growing if you keep putting out videos of this quality 👌
@888mf4
@888mf4 5 жыл бұрын
fraser nicol Thanks
@dennisoverdiep2737
@dennisoverdiep2737 5 жыл бұрын
888MF the man !
@marcinstyle85
@marcinstyle85 4 жыл бұрын
I own my lovely 4c red color form 3 years is amazing car
@Gorilla_Jones
@Gorilla_Jones 5 жыл бұрын
This car is wonderful, the only thing that would make it better is it being in white.
@InCoGn1t0
@InCoGn1t0 5 жыл бұрын
I have the same engine, but in a diffent car, in a 159 Ti and this engine is simply a beast. In that car you have 4 driveing mods, you have the RACE mode. You should put in D and continuous push the switch for about 10second and after that it will engage race mode with all electronic helps off. Great video and love Alfa brand.
@Skilz111
@Skilz111 5 жыл бұрын
Btw I love the colour. Yellow looks mint
@888mf4
@888mf4 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@moimoi4725
@moimoi4725 4 жыл бұрын
So, would you think it is a good move to go from a manual transmission 2017 Lotus Evora 400 to a 2018 Alfa Romeo 4C?
@sbadaro
@sbadaro 5 жыл бұрын
Nice video, but did you really not know that there is a RACE mode (and launch control) on the 4C or are you trying to keep it a secret? Because I'm spilling the beans, push the DNA switch up for 5 seconds, push both brakes and throttle full down, tap the right paddle shift and watch the rev counter hold around 4000 rpm, tap the left paddle and watch it climb to 6000 rpm, let go the brake pedal. Thank me below please (unless you've crashed and died with a grin on your face, in which case you can skip this part).
@888mf4
@888mf4 5 жыл бұрын
I raced the 4C against a Lotus Exile and M2 in another video coming soon!!
@JayPee570
@JayPee570 5 жыл бұрын
1:20 Smooth Mark, smooth. hehe
@ketchup5344
@ketchup5344 5 жыл бұрын
Great presentation of a great little car 💖👍 The colour is great. This car works in yellow, not a lot do but Lambos and this do.
@WanderingFriar
@WanderingFriar 4 жыл бұрын
The colour Yellow is my fave I the 4C. Can’t decide, Coupe or Spider!
@Cerebrum72
@Cerebrum72 5 жыл бұрын
my 4C is red and a launch edition 165/500. I love the car.
@galaxystar8232
@galaxystar8232 5 жыл бұрын
I LOVE THE SOUND OF THAT CAR
@100kmp
@100kmp 5 жыл бұрын
Alfa Romeo I like it. Good Video.
@wtoven647
@wtoven647 4 жыл бұрын
it looks so beautiful in yellow
@henryhol8538
@henryhol8538 5 жыл бұрын
Just what the Doctor ordered! A review of the 4C from an owner who gets it.
@888mf4
@888mf4 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@NickG24
@NickG24 5 жыл бұрын
Hello mate, what has been done to your 4c?! I just saw it destroy the exige and M2 competition - it has no right!! Surely it’s not standard? It’s made it back onto my shortlist!
@taeekim
@taeekim 3 жыл бұрын
Great to see that Russ Hanneman likes the 4C!
@GrahamMylett
@GrahamMylett 5 жыл бұрын
Same colour as my spider..amazing car!!
@alechowarth3665
@alechowarth3665 4 жыл бұрын
Love the car love the colour, I have a yellow 4c spider and adore it.
@jasoncampbell7765
@jasoncampbell7765 2 жыл бұрын
No idea how she thinks this is more of a rally car and feels heavier than other super cars... Though I can say that I never have drove another car like this ever before. Interesting two points of view. I love my 4C Launch Edition. You can have fun. Accelerate fast. Hear the turbo and wastegate plus exhaust symphony. No BS electric assisted steering. And because you are so low to the ground, you can get the illusion that you are going incredibly fast even when you are just going a bit above the speed limit. What a fun car! Lastly, the car has a Dual Clutch that gets 35 mpg on the highway (I sometimes even get up to 40mpg!). Incredible car at a incredible price just don't use this as a daily driver.
@fezoj
@fezoj 5 жыл бұрын
Great video .... can see why your so smitten 👍🏻👍🏻
@888mf4
@888mf4 5 жыл бұрын
Come take the keys anytime
@turbogxp1
@turbogxp1 3 жыл бұрын
Love the color, best one
@FourSeasonsHD
@FourSeasonsHD 5 жыл бұрын
In Imperial countries, how soon does one adapt to being the captain on the right hand seat?
@JoTokutora
@JoTokutora 5 жыл бұрын
Been looking to Trade my Madreperla white 4c Coupe for a Yellow Coupe here in the US. Those yellow Coupes are EXTREMELY rare! No luck finding one
@MultiShawnt
@MultiShawnt 5 жыл бұрын
Alfa 4C sooo spoils me 😎
@blademanx
@blademanx 5 жыл бұрын
i had the 370z nismo before. That was a special car. I would get an alfa but can someone 6'2 fit? How much is a race exhaust if it doesnt come with one? this leaves the RS3, my bro was a passenger when it happened 😁
@sbadaro
@sbadaro 5 жыл бұрын
No problem fitting once you're inside... It's the getting in and out that is challenging... And finding a place to fit your cell phone or anything bigger than a wallet if the passenger seat is occupied... No excess space... Period.
@airacomet
@airacomet 5 жыл бұрын
A really good car, i've got a 4C spider and it's really funny.
@michaelwilliams8781
@michaelwilliams8781 Жыл бұрын
Giallo is the way to go! 😎
@jamie49868
@jamie49868 5 жыл бұрын
15-16 Jaguar F-Type S, or the 4C for $45-50,000? I'm leaning toward the Jag, but holy shit, the 4C is so unique.
@rak6080
@rak6080 6 ай бұрын
Every review that mentions the carbon fibre tub forgets, or doesn't know, that the BMW i8 had a CF tub.
@Orbit_Corona
@Orbit_Corona 5 жыл бұрын
It's a really beautiful car. I would call it a Sports car because it sure isn't made for getting groceries lol. It's small and agile like a real sportscar.
@S2000Y
@S2000Y 5 жыл бұрын
Only 8 sales in the UK last year. That should answer all your questions
@EugVR6
@EugVR6 5 жыл бұрын
Danni's super yummi😍
@888mf4
@888mf4 5 жыл бұрын
Yes she is!
@andygtv
@andygtv 2 жыл бұрын
Great video👍😀
@beadmu
@beadmu 5 жыл бұрын
I'm sold. Will buy 3.
@nrs6956
@nrs6956 5 жыл бұрын
There are many cars, but there's only one Alfa Romeo.
@sebastianconstantin5176
@sebastianconstantin5176 2 жыл бұрын
i was actually lookin at prices, now its 70 000 euros. in 2019 was 50 000 euros. fukin 50% apreciation in value.
@t1rjb1
@t1rjb1 5 жыл бұрын
Not really understanding why you'd look at comparing an M2 to the 4C. Why not a Lotus Exige? It's cheaper, faster and looks very similar.
@888mf4
@888mf4 5 жыл бұрын
Roger Byrne The M2 costs around £40k used in the UK so it was an obvious alternative to the 4C. The Exige is quite basic inside so I wouldn’t buy one as a road car. However we did include an Exige in the next video where we race the 4C on a runway
@mathiasfischli9293
@mathiasfischli9293 5 жыл бұрын
what is more fun to drive - 4c or 911 carrera t?
@tommyalexander2089
@tommyalexander2089 5 жыл бұрын
4c better I had a boxter and 911 ...This car is a whole different experience. .I'm driving my second 4c now
@alwaysalady2u751
@alwaysalady2u751 5 жыл бұрын
Wonder where this was filmed nice where ever it is ..
@johnbeesales1164
@johnbeesales1164 5 жыл бұрын
Your on screen chemistry is great. You should do more. (On a totally irrelevant note, a hot girl with an accent and some sense of humor and spunk is 10,000 times hotter when she digs and drives great cars.) And the review is as usual, very very insightful and tops, Mark. Well done.
@ilovemyeggs
@ilovemyeggs 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve just signed off on a red 4C brand new never driven.. I’m ridiculously excited
@gpapa31
@gpapa31 3 ай бұрын
How’s your experience 3 years later? Still own it?
@kg_oner9215
@kg_oner9215 5 жыл бұрын
Love the looks of this car, but it's way under powered. Needs a Type R VTEC Turbo Upgrade!
@888mf4
@888mf4 5 жыл бұрын
I never feel like it is under-powered
@tommyalexander2089
@tommyalexander2089 5 жыл бұрын
You need to drive 1!! You'll change your mind I promise
@boburdjabarov7715
@boburdjabarov7715 2 жыл бұрын
3:55 what was that? )
@oscardominguez1680
@oscardominguez1680 5 жыл бұрын
The new Alpine!
@philipgardner-uz5ne
@philipgardner-uz5ne 6 ай бұрын
Been in,a lambo(brutal,not comfortable)ferrai 550 bit big for our country roads,355 good,but bits r,££££
@thedebatemechannel4746
@thedebatemechannel4746 4 жыл бұрын
3:12 it feels heavier???
@ukbondraider
@ukbondraider 5 жыл бұрын
Did you not consider a Lotus Exige?
@888mf4
@888mf4 5 жыл бұрын
I didn't want manual and Lotus is more track focused
@yhwe100
@yhwe100 5 жыл бұрын
This car is selling in Malaysia at double of 40K.
@ZoneTelevision
@ZoneTelevision 5 жыл бұрын
Leather Holds it better. You need to keep her around 😎
@888mf4
@888mf4 5 жыл бұрын
Danni will be co-presenting another video with the Lamborghini soon
@ZoneTelevision
@ZoneTelevision 5 жыл бұрын
888MF btw I agree with everything you said about the 4C. It’s definitely going to be collectible. It’s hard to imagine a car like this gets up to 34mpg gets to 60 in 4.5 and has a decent top speed. It has everything including those gorgeous Italian lines.
@superelectic45
@superelectic45 5 жыл бұрын
Doesn't she usually show people around houses for a living?
@888mf4
@888mf4 5 жыл бұрын
She is a presenter on the show 'A Place in the Sun' on Channel 4
@superelectic45
@superelectic45 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's the one. I love the 4C, I once owned it's baby cousin the Smart Roadster Coupe lol. I don't think the 4C is Danni's style, I see her in a convertable.
@MrSimon748
@MrSimon748 2 жыл бұрын
its a contender
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