Alfa Romeo Discontinues Quadrifoglio & Why The EV Market Is About To Implode

Alfa Romeo Discontinues the Quadrifoglio models for the Giulia and Stelvio marking the final production for this model in April 2024. FCA has made a rapid push towards EV and Hybrid power plants killing off the most soulful and spectacular high performance models this brand has created in modern times. Watch the entire video to learn about what is actually happening in the automotive world globally and realize first hand the EV market is Imploding right before everyones eyes. We now see the resale values of EV drop 50% and greater in their first year which is greater depreciation than any new ICE vehicle today. Why you ask? it is because of long term consumer fears of what an EV actually will become, obsolete like your current smart phone and there is no secondary market for old technology with batteries that will not last due to their actual life cycle depletion. You can find all of these sources online and click the links below for the articles used in this video
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[@fskof]

Toyota was the only manufacturer that was saying that the world wasn’t ready for full EV.

[@gbormann71]

Yet also they released a full EV model.

[@motorwerks]

@@gbormann71 they’re going to continue to release EV models as long as people are buying them up, since they do have a business to run. But they also have been clear about the fact that they won’t put all their eggs in the EV basket like most other manufacturers are doing now. It’s a fad that will expire soon enough.

[@MrSparklespring]

@@motorwerks They are realistic. Only 30% of vehicles wordwide will be electric so they say...

[@OBELISK3210]

Yup it’s why they’re pushing eco hybrid because for the family daily drivers they’re the most realistic cars of balance for the future.

[@JGA347]

Such a shame, albeit not an entirely unexpected one. Planning to keep my QV forever.

[@chrismiller9032]

me too.

[@theLEGOguy22]

Me too mate.

[@petebennett7008]

I don’t think I’ll even part with mine either

[@jazz37rio]

Nobody wants electric cars

[@steevebouchard8927]

I do.

[@madkitty2801]

I was considering buying one but remember recharging is gonna be such a pain in the butt if i decide to go out of town

[@chadmueller9135]

​@@steevebouchard8927Who asked tho.

[@barangoran4179]

​@@steevebouchard8927Lol we found a Lithiumloser

[@CaptHotah]

I disagree. Maybe "nobody want only electric cars" might be true

[@mario53554]

remember, is clear that Stellantis does not give a crap about AR market in US, I am disgusted how they are treating AR in the US. I got 2 Giulia so far and I was aiming to the Quad, but I am not "ready" yet.. so i have to hope someone will sell the used one in a couple of years.. TONALE was designed for the European market ONLY, in fact there sold very well, but the US got the HORNET, based on a precise Strategic decision, aimed to "save" Dodge and kill AR on the same market. Now they are pulling the QUAD from US, but NOT World wide, so is just another step to kill the US Market. Keep in mind they cannot sell Quads in Italy, due to a massive Super Tax on any car with over 200HP, so, the only way you can sell Quads is elsewhere, like Germany, Switzerland and any other Country without the Super Tax. WHY Removing the US Market to me is a Mystery, because in US people CAN and WILL buy cars with 500 HP... I am Italian 100%, born and raised in Rome, in the US since 2004, I grew up driving ALFA ROMEO in Italy, but hey.. let's be Honest, AR died with Marchionne just a few years ago...

[@petermessiersway9040]

Very sad times.

[@steevebouchard8927]

pfffffffffffffff

[@barangoran4179]

@@steevebouchard8927 Commie?

[@HuracanHilarantedelPueblo]

-That’s stellantis, his dumb CEO- I’m also fan & owner of a Mopar, and they shut down the V8 production

[@fskof]

This is why I’m keeping my 2023 QV, Porsche 992 GT3 (6-speed), 1971 Porsche 911, 2005 Mini Cooper S and 1966 Mustang (GT350 clone) for as long as I’m able to drive. Now if I could add a new Bentley Continental GT Speed to my collection I would be very happy… lol

[@Rinanathar]

So would I :)

[@bpp325]

Enthusiasm and passion is going away from the automobile genre. Domestics are pulling away, Asia builds are all in, Europeans are reluctantly buying in. I'm okay with a mild hybrid, no plugin, no EV. We'll see. I have a fully loaded '21 Stelvio Q4 2L from new and each and every time I look at it takes my breath away. Finest looking machine on the planet. My lease expires in April, I'm buying it back because there's nothing else out there in this trim, including the '24 Stelvio. Excellent video btw. Keep them coming. Thanx. 👏

[@philipparana9225]

China market owns sedans now

[@larrychew1]

Looks like Toyota is NOT going all in on EV. There's not enough lithium for the number of cars they produce annually.

[@martinponce877]

I was 18 when I started watching your videos and shortly after, you bought the 2018 QV; ever since then, it’s been my dream car and I’m almost 24 now. It’s a damn shame they’re axing it.

[@autofanaticcars]

you gotta get one soon if you can

[@themachine8009]

Scotty has been saying this for the last six years. He’s the man when it comes to the EV scam. He never fell for it.

[@autofanaticcars]

that guy is a riot and saw some of his videos on this subject

[@infg0753]

Scotty's a crack head dinosaur - the EV A market will evolve, not implode - it's only been around for some 20ish years. I'll bet he said the same shyte about ICE when he was growing up during the horse n buggy days😂

[@justobey733]

There is one video Scotty posted that he wasn't high..

[@robertpawley5715]

There’s no scam. Seriously…

[@JayDee-b5u]

@@robertpawley5715 How is it not a scam? So called 'Climate change' is a lie.

[@lxtx99v12]

Always said I will never buy a EV crap. I rather use a horse lol. Got myself a beautiful Nring Stelvio QV gonna hold to it for a looong time if this continues

[@autofanaticcars]

best choice keep what you have because these new cars all suck these days.

[@23Piccolina]

Sadly, Alfa management doesn't know what they are doing with this world famous legendary brand. Keep yours because it will go up in value. They are very cool cars.

[@rdle272]

my friend who is a QV fanatic and is currently pushing me to get one, just bought his third QV (bucket seats, exposed carbon etc) for $20k off msrp, 2023 model brand new. They are giving them away. I want to buy one 2020-2022 as they have an attractive price.

[@nathanhoffman5230]

Where did he buy it from?

[@Boogetsbizzy]

@@nathanhoffman5230I’d like to know the same haha

[@simoneazzani9450]

me too lol

[@robertlinge3200]

Phil, already happening in the Uk, with hybrids. Mercedes 300e 6 years old hybrid, needs a new battery. Only company that can do it is Mercedes, £13k battery on a car worth £8k. Its nuts. Will not touch a hybrid either.

[@autofanaticcars]

exactly the point i discussed in the video there is no secondary market for EV and due to the values dropping so much and the cost to maintain and replace the battery cells it is a losing proposition all around and these morons in Govt think this is saving our planet when it is actually worse for our planet when you consider how to recycle the EV components safely. It is a total sham they are trying hard to push but the public sees the BS and that is why nobody is buying them and all manufactures who put all their eggs in the EV basket are lostng millions and billions of dollars now.

[@9996070036]

Alpha Romeo or other exotic companies, think they can sell their cars without an ICE engine, great exhaust sound, and soul noppeeee. Once if all EV thing happens I will take a toyota, lexus, Honda PERIOD.

[@BMBShah]

Why do you spell Alfa as Alpha? Don’t blame it on typo or autocorrect as you could just check your comment before posting it.

[@richardcarter1000]

Spot on. It will be just another washing machine on wheels. I'll stick to the classic Alfas.

[@larrysing]

Too bad. I loved my 2017 Quadrifoglio.

[@ThatAlfaRomeoN]

do you have electrical problems like they say andf all these other problems

[@rooneyw2208]

Take a look at how many taycans are on sale right now, used and new. Sure it's a highly sold car but theres tons sitting on lots right now. As a consumer why would you spend a premium on an electric car when it will be out of date next year? There's even that thing with the korean companies, hyundai kia genesis, slight undertray damage (where the battery sits) can total a car. It's funny, last year was the Porsche 75th anniversary festival and at the experience center they were offering track rides in their cars: I got the GT car early but they sold out fast, and then went the caymans, turbos, maccans, and even on the day of they still had taycan spots because no one wanted to even passenger in one!

[@autofanaticcars]

Exactly those Taycan look cool but $275k for a top version now on the second hand market there $160 thats proof that consumers simply don’t trust them long term people lease and dump but the used cars must go somewhere other than scrap yards. The vast independent shops can’t fix these cars so you’re also married to the dealer network

[@PhantomMark]

My QV is a keeper, 3 years in, still deeply in love. I am not interested if they made it with 3000bhp, keep your electric nonsense.

[@analogguy5548]

Pretty much on board with your take on the state of affairs. By the way, I’m in North Texes, formerly North Jersey, the electric power situation here is 1000 times better than California. I’m 75 and in a pretty good financial situation. I love enthusiast cars, however, not sure I’m prepared to spend $100,000 for my next car. Right now I think I’m committed to keeping my 2018 Mustang PP1 for the foreseeable future. It’s not a perfect car, but it just might be the perfect $50,000 performance car. 60,000 trouble free miles - everyday driver and great two person road trip car. No reason I can’t enjoy this car for five more years. Regarding government mandates, a great President once said, “The scariest words in the English language are, I’m from the government, and I’m here to help”. Keep the faith and Happy Motoring 🤠

[@Gazza-zg2tr]

Politicians know jack shit i agree 100% Phil .

[@egelechad]

I'm in my first year of ME degree, my dream was getting a Giulia QV asap after starting to work. Shame. QV owners treat your beautys good please.

[@xtadeus4777]

I am on the process to get thé 2024 QV ! I will keep it for next générations ✌️ Souvenirs

[@AlfaQuad72]

I have one! You won’t be disappointed! ❤

[@chrismiller9032]

I remember once hearing on a radio channel that pols thought the power would just come from the plug in the wall.

[@autofanaticcars]

Like i Emphasized in my video politicians are the dumbest people around without a clue on reality its all a power money grab to each and every one of them

[@analogguy5548]

I recall when a senior vice president at GM, when asked where the electricity at the GM HQ charging stations came from, replied, well, um, from the HQ building 🤣🤣🤣

[@eddiew.6485]

I once had an engaging conversation with my neighbor on the left, about EV’s and how they get powered……needless to say, it didn’t end well for him.

[@Thatcardude207]

I own my second QV in Montreal green and I think its the best car I have owned.

[@yellowquantum4240]

Thinking about getting one 🤔 doing my research. Big Alfista guy . I want the last of the Mohegans...

[@autofanaticcars]

try to find one now there wont be many produced for 2024

[@yooo711]

If Hertz is dumping EVs then nothing else needs to be said

[@autofanaticcars]

exactly look up the articles on the millions of dollars HERTZ lost over this bad decision they made that they felt it was smarter to take the loss and move on. There truly is no secondary market for an EV and this is a critical component for the EV push failure. the market is imploding there are hundreds of other videos highlighting this.

[@richardord7433]

Thanks for great video Phil, so glad I bought my Stelvio Veloce last year. In Australia the GTam's are now 3 times their original retail. These large corporations are driven by profits naturally, but also by their social and environmental responsibility. Corporate takeovers have ruined so many small businesses and companies like Alfa that want to do their own thing, to the detriment of the consumer. Well done Phil😊

[@autofanaticcars]

Thanks for watching and sharing your opinions on all of this with us

[@BK-it6te]

People are like sheep 🐑

[@qba4455]

In The UK health and safety rules, dictate that damaged EVs must be "quarantined" before assessment, and stored 15 meters clear of other cars and buildings, owning to the volatility of their batteries. This means that a forecourt where 100 ICEs chilled in safety, only 2 EVs can be stored. The whole thing is mad. The only real winners are the Chinese who own 70% of EV specific supply chain and produce these milk floats with huge subsidies. Regarding QVs, we will still have them in Europe. I'm rocking 2010 AlfaRomeo 159 1.75TB Ti, and I will keep her forever. I'm also looking for a reasonably priced 2020/22 Giulia QV. Awesome job, cheers.

[@autofanaticcars]

Thanks for sharing your opinion from across the pond. Biggest scam ever is this EV utopia that won’t happen in our lifetime

[@tomchinigo5014]

Great video Phil ! The push for these EV's has been crazy and like you I will not own one. Thanks again

[@autofanaticcars]

You and me both!

[@alexanderlouie4134]

Stay away from electric vehicles if you really value your social mobility and care for the environment.

[@mauriziolagaxio4954]

AR Giulia QV is the most beautiful cat in the world

[@trigganometry168]

The writing was on the wall. I planned for this doom and gloom and bought 3 new vehicles that should out live me. A V8 SUV, a flat six rwd manual transmission, and a 4 cylinder daily all naturally aspirated.

[@autofanaticcars]

yeah once 2020 hit and the entire car market went into crisis mode I saw this happening relatively quickly and I was right.

[@raptor2126]

Same here, got a AMG V8biturbo SUV, got NA V8 Shelby and twin turbo V6 Alfa, plan to keep these for a long while

[@jamesaron1967]

@@raptor2126 Nice cars!

[@rken3116]

The EV Market Is not Imploding fast enough, regardless I Will NEVER BUY AN EV,

[@autofanaticcars]

ha ha ha i am right with you , the hybrid supercars are insane but absolutely no way to fix those on your own and you can only lease them for 2 years with a warranty otherwise youll end up screwed if you buy cash.

[@sradical8136]

Feel the same way about my Maserati levante trofeo. Last year of the awesome Ferrari based V8 and analog gauges and real buttons. Not looking forward to this new digital everything / ev market...

[@ghostridertom]

Good video. Realistic. I have signed the Giulia QV two weeks ago ;-)

[@autofanaticcars]

good for you enjoy it

[@eddiew.6485]

Regarding the direction Alfa is heading: Alfa-Romeo equals Stellantis………that’s all you need to know😅

[@autofanaticcars]

exactly the corporate infrastructure is destroying not only Alfa but Maserati with bad decisions for the North American markets with these new EV designated products, nobody is buying them proves the facts outlined in my video. When brands take massive losses nothing good will come from this long term.

[@jjchockey]

I’ve already seen a shift in EV interest in the last year. No one is buying EVs right now.

[@autofanaticcars]

Exactly i saw this doomsday coming lets hope car manufacturers grow balls and get back to making exciting cars for enthusiasts to buy again

[@sammymanuel5609]

Alfa Romeos going to tank. It's very very sad.

[@StereoHound]

They weren't selling well in the first place, this might just be the nail on the coffin, hope Alfa will stay in North America...

[@stevep9041]

Go EV Go Broke. Look at the new Merc C63. Awful car.

[@autofanaticcars]

exactly a failed attempt from Mercedes to appease the Liberal lobbing interests and it was a 100% failure. I have never even seen a new gen C63 because not one dealer in the NYC area ever ordered one. G63 are in abundance around NYC lots

[@darkpsy19]

The Giulia Q is my dream car, i dont like this all electric agenda but ppl will realize eventually.

[@simongl1985]

The fact that you made this video makes me like your content even more. Thanks man

[@Neal_S]

Excellent video!! I’ve been a subscriber for five or six years and have enjoyed all of your content. I encourage you to do more videos of this format because I think you have a lot more to share.

[@autofanaticcars]

Thinking of starting a podcast channel soon let’s see

[@thereissomecoolstuff]

Good episode Phil. I usually have something I disagree with you about. Not this one. Good perspective.

[@autofanaticcars]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@simongl1985]

Its the opposite what I would do if I was in charge of Alfa. I would keep this petrol line up as long as possible because while everyone switched to evs Alfa could have found itself in the perfect position. The only manufacture making cars for petrol heads. Their sales would have been epic

[@legacy404]

Manufacturers keep spitting out $50-60-70-80k++ EVs. Just make a cheap, 200hp EV with 300 miles of range for 20-30k...they have proven they can be great for simple A-B transportation for the majority of people. Not everyone needs a 500+hp EV, and some people probably shouldnt have that kind of speed But they need to fix: 1. Charging, too many vendors, standards, unreliable rates. Just pick a standard. 2. Battery degradation/recycling. Battery swapping would fix this. Again, there needs to be a standard format like AA, AAA batteries..make battery swapping easy. Third parties take care of charging depleted batteries and recycling. This could also repurpose existing gas stations/infrastructure One ICE engine block can theoretically be infinitely recyclable...it can be melted down and re-cast when its no longer rebuildable. when people are just consuming and tossing depleted EVs, which is actually better for the environment? The EV industry will be stuck unless all manufacturers can agree on a way forward. Tesla holds a monopoly, but manufacturers are reluctant to give in to them.

[@joebianco8029]

One of your best posts yet. Thanks. I agree with everything. I didn’t know that the Tonale wasn’t selling. I wonder if Dodgers is having the same problem with the Hornet, because I think it’s better looking for about $5k less. I hope the EV market flops, and Alfa goes back to internal combustion. Until then, I’ll be coveting my ’23 QV- hoping that it’s value rises as they become harder to acquire.

[@autofanaticcars]

I have yet to see. Hornet in the NYC area so definitely not selling like the Tonale i think manufacturers got screwed and now in the red with loses of cars nobody’s buying

[@AP-cc1uw]

Been waiting to get your take on this. Terrible decision. But that’s why I’m moving forward on my 24 QV post haste!

[@autofanaticcars]

Go for it now or never at least we will continue to enjoy our drives

[@jamesaron1967]

I'm very glad you made this video. The last I heard is that Alfa Romeo intends to move to full electrification in 2025, so we'd be 'lucky' if they retained a hybrid or two in their future lineup. It was going to be a similar situation for most manufacturers. The German marques have scaled back their EV roadmaps for at least the next few years. The lack of consumer interest combined with China's withholding of rare earths for export makes it impossible for the automotive industry to make a complete switchover in the near term. As you mentioned, there's also the lack of necessary electrical infrastructure and production to support so many EVs. Even if Alfa decides to maintain the ICE elimination plan we still have other prestige marques that will retain ICE models probably through to the end of this decade. I don't intend to buy an EV until there's no alternative and hope most people will do the same. As I have been commenting in various videos on YT, this headlong push for ICE replacement with EVs is NOT about the environment. Anyone reading this please don't be fooled. Climate change as a result of increased carbon dioxide is a total lie if you look at unbiased research on the topic. Of course, that's what governments want us to believe in order to _justify_ the regulations being hoisted on manufacturers and citizens alike. They have no other believable rationale for such an extreme and abrupt transformation to our societies. If you look at the actual numbers you'll soon realize that what the governments are saying and what the reality is are radically different. There are not enough rare natural resources on the entire planet to satisfy a worldwide EV market even if you keep transport vehicles like semi fleets powered by ICE. China knows this and that's one of the reasons it's keeping these resources for their own industries. There's no way other countries are unaware of this shortage, so why the mad rush to electrification? We've seen that California forced EV owners not to charge their vehicles when there was a strain on the electrical grid. This can happen anywhere and will when enough EVs place a critical demand on the grid, but I'm not hearing of a mad rush to construct more power-generating plants, do you? There isn't one because the intent is for a massive _reduction_ of available roadworthy vehicles in the future, not merely an EV-exclusive marketplace. My belief is that we are not heading into a future where there's no choice for the consumer to buy anything other than an EV. It's whether there will be _any_ new vehicles available for the common person. This topic is too broad and deep to discuss here. Search for 15-minute cities and what that means for everyone. The truth will be made evidently clear. It's all about the age-old struggle for *control* over populations by tyrannical means, nothing less and nothing more.

[@autofanaticcars]

Thanks for posting as you obviously get what’s going on with the big EV scam of save environment yet all this did was enrich the old decrepit politicians pockets with funneling money back to them. They lie lie lie yet the media and followers believe everything without seeing the hard facts or data. Now look at the looses the entire automotive industry is facing due to their continued lies. People need to wake up and continue to reject buying these overpriced paperweights that are as obsolete in short term as your current smartphone

[@jamesaron1967]

@naticcars Indeed, although I wish there was a simple solution to this problem. Governments and their puppet politicians are as compelled if not more so as the manufacturers. They're just higher up in the food chain because they hold legislative power and can coerce everyone below them. However, they're beholden to higher authorities such as supranational organizations like the WEF that are in turn mouthpieces of hidden powers wielded by a small number of elites who are the true policy makers. The EV controversy is only a part of a bigger picture that includes medical and financial transformations to society among others planned to take place in the not too distant future. It will be a grim outcome but only if we allow it.

[@tpv59]

YOU are Switched On James. Nice to know we are not alone. It's all part of THEIR agenda. We are all just puppets. We are the nobodies. THEY call us, 'the useless eaters'. The '1%' Rule the world. The Devil is REAL. God is REAL. ''For MANY are called, but FEW are chosen''. Matt.22:14 (KJV version)

[@kazekai8]

I hope we are ready for brownouts and blackouts if every vehicle goes electric.

[@iraeich]

I don't want to drive no dang refridgerator!!

[@dg7438]

Alfa isn't going to last very long. They don't know how to compete and read hte room, which is sad b/c they are Ferrari's in hiding.

[@oompaloompa413]

I had a nightmare experience with my 2019 QV. But I've been considering giving it another chance. Might pick up a 23 or order a 24.

[@autofanaticcars]

i don't think your nightmare was worse than mine with my 2018 which I chronicled on this channel with water damage the car shutting down on the highway when i hit bumps, it was possessed it got to the point I had to get rid of it for safety reasons and got the G80 M3 to hold me over but went back to the QV as i like it better. The biggest issue are the inexperienced techs at Alfa dealers who break things and make matters worse. My 2023 is great so far only issue my OEM battery went bad but I replaced it with an Interstate and it is all good.

[@oompaloompa413]

@@autofanaticcarsI remember the videos. But yes that's a nightmare. Mine was more logistical. Waited 4 months for a new engine. Then the dealer damaged my bumper and had it resprayed without my permission at some junk body shop they chose. Anyway, glad the 2023 is treating you well. I want to buy another QV but my turnoff is the local Alfa dealer, not so much the car.

[@automotivejourney7562]

Maybe not the most ideal comparison but a electric car is basically a computer/mobile device on wheels. What are people doing with old Iphone's from 5-10 years ago, they don't keep them they become obsolete after 2-3 years. So the older 2013 cars becomes a paper weight. Then you have dead cars with precious metals just sitting there in lots etc., because we don't have the necessary infrastructure to recycle them... GO GREENNN! what a stupid upsidedown clown world..... Instead of completely changing our transport sector find new fuels that would become a net zero in emission in the long run. Read an article that Porsche and other companies are working on these...

[@autofanaticcars]

Exactly and recycling an EV must be complicated for a typical scrap yard that’s not accustomed to the risks involved. Not very eco friendly

[@kirozahariev502]

After 24 minutes, I listen to you easy to say less change the government 🤷🏻‍♂️❤️🇧🇬

[@autofanaticcars]

Biggest problem worldwide is Govt!

[@kirozahariev502]

@@autofanaticcars Yes 🤝

[@kirozahariev502]

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[@robertlinge3200]

It will live on in Europe till 2025. The engine will live on too they have said. Uk dealers are still trying to move the pre LED headlight models with only 1 new LED light model on sale at a dealer i can see. You can still order all the carbon bits, roof, seats and mirrors erc in the Uk. The painted carbon roof was quietly replaced with a steel one. The owners of the group are run by accountants and it shows.

[@autofanaticcars]

exactly

[@ericfavors7964]

Damn now the price for a used one will go up. Who really wants a EV?

[@autofanaticcars]

kids all over Tik tok want EV ha ha ha

[@dianaflores5072]

I got my ‘23 Giulia Quadrifoglio just in time for a click under $70K…the only option I cared about was the color (Etna Rosso)…and the engine ☺️. But I did have to have it shipped from Southern California. BTW, your splash guards fit perfectly. I’ll be following the channel closely. Thnx!

[@autofanaticcars]

great to hear, enjoy it

[@mgirish6071]

@@autofanaticcars trying to find the splash guards and the transmission release tool on the autofanatics shop page but the website isn't working. Just became the owner of a 2019 QV with low miles! Excited as I have been searching for one for a long time!

[@tractioncontroldelete]

19:25 YUP!!

[@charlesclement383]

Just yesterday the Government eased up on the regulations for a bit longer,so hopefully Alfa Romeo will also change their minds about the QV models.

[@autofanaticcars]

i think the corporate bozos already finalized these decisions so not much hope to save it now.

[@HoraceBluenose]

Another factor here too related to EVs is the vulnerability of power grids to interruption and cyber attack.

[@autofanaticcars]

good point since they can use the GPS to lock on the cars to take over

[@jaydee8553]

Interesting but in relation to the beginning of combustion engine ...same story. We are entering a new technology revolution. your argument about combustion car vs electric is the same as horses vs combustion cars. Expensive...for the elite...they will never replace the horses...no gas station...etc but here we are. We were not ready for combustion cars when they came out 150 years ago, and the situation was even worst. A US general once said: cars will never replace horses. Coal.... fossil oil....now electric....the change will happen. There will be hurdles to overcome for sure. But it is happening. Electric... hydrogen whatever... We need to and we are moving away from combustion engines. Basically everything said in this video in a similar context was said about the combustion cars when it started no second market... infrastructure etc. Someone will watch this video in 25 years and will say look what they used to say about electric cars!

[@HingleMacCringleberry]

I agree 100%. Plus the dealer network is terrible. 2 out of the 4 dealers near me closed. Between the brand hell bent on all electric by 2025 and closing dealership I sort of feel abandoned by the brand. The 2024 GT63 is looking pretty good right about now

[@autofanaticcars]

yeah Alfa dealers closed by me as well which does suck but I try to do most everything myself on the car to make it not so bad. The AMG GT63 is a Monster if you can get it I say go for it, I love my AMG GTR in Green Hell it is featured on this channel as well.

[@mr.bosstang8363]

There was a case just a few weeks ago that the Hyundai ionic6 the battery went bad in a car and the cost was 60k to replace it. The shit was more then what the car cost 🤔

[@autofanaticcars]

Thanks for sharing the honest truth of this EV scam!

[@mr.bosstang8363]

@@autofanaticcars You’re welcome, love the content!

[@BigBear--]

I've hated the push for EV's for as long as it's been going on. Which is also why I jumped on the opportunity to by my 2023 Honda Civic Type-R for a good deal at the time when they first came out. I wanted a solidly built gas engine platform for my daily that's simple to maintain, and will last me forever if well maintained. What's hilarious are some of the used prices on these EV's...just look at the Porsche Taycan that's 3-4 years old. You can get them for 100K less used than their MSRP when new. Thats a 50%+ loss in value in just a couple of years. Meanwhile my Type-R will either stay close to the same or go up in value. The EV market is a total scam, in every way possible. They're not better cars, they're not better value, they don't last, they create more waste, cost the tax payers money for the subsidies, and they're not better for the environment (often far worse than gas engine vehicles). Total Scam. If the tech was so wonderful, the market would convert to it naturally, you wouldn't need subsidies and strict regulations to force it on people. The worst part is the people responsible for destroying our lives will never pay the price for their failures. Regular people will and do carry that burden instead.

[@autofanaticcars]

Exactly

[@Dennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn]

Are you also going to review the Maserati MC20 and the Maserati Granturismo, new model?

[@KheetahCheetah]

I think your assessment of the EV market is not very factual. You mentioned around 18:50 that Tesla is losing money. That is the opposite of what is happening with Tesla. I'm an investor of Tesla and I make sure my money is working for me at companies that are booming. I'd suggest to do more research then one article when judging one of the worlds leader in EV technology - butting heads with the China Giant: BYD. Last year the worlds most purchased vehicle was a Tesla Model Y - a 50k vehicle surpassing the Corrola and another hybrid that were significantly cheaper that then Model Y. Think about that. People are tired of the game dealerships play with them. They don't want to be swindled and cheated out of paying the real market value - not some bloated dealership add-on fee. I have followed you for years, I know the pain you went through with purchasing many cars (you made videos about it on your channel). Heck, you know me from buying a GT350R - and I bought many of your products including that awesome suede shifter head you made for me (I had to sell my Shelby due to medical reasons). I don't like that the IC cars are fading away, and I hate the silence of an EV. But I have to say that people enjoy high technology in a vehicle. And seeing their car gaining features over the air - something most EV companies cannot do. There is a reason why Tesla is cutting above the competition. Ford and GM and Stelantise needs to learn from Tesla if they want to survive for the future. I'm with you on the magic of what a V8 feels like... I just think its about to change whether we like it or not. You should dig in a bit more about what Tesla is doing as it is a technology leader. I know its not what you are doing this channel for - and it probably goes against what you have done for yourself as a "car guy". Perhaps look at this transition as there may be a silver lining to it (I believe its what the technology and self driving will provide in the future) and maybe, just maybe you'll see that and include it in your channel if you want to spread your audience. I respect you for what you do but please don't deliberately provide wrong information - Tesla is a company is literally leading the EV market. Again, much respect to you and what you do for the viewers here.

[@autofanaticcars]

I guess you forgot to see Tesla slash prices so deep because nobody was buying them. You invested in Teslas as a stock holder of a technology company not necessarily a car brand we all know what Musk created and car division did lose money

[@KheetahCheetah]

​@@autofanaticcars the tesla brand is not just cars. Time will reveal what happens. The price decrease as Elon mentioned is only until March. He wants to keep maximum capacity rather than slowing down production. He's looking ahead which I appreciate.

[@emiller7040]

The number one vehicle sold in the US last year was the Ford F-150. BYD outsold Tesla in the 4th quarter if I'm not mistaken.

[@2steaksandwiches665]

I have this car in this color. On my sixth year of ownership. I will be keeping it forever. And I typically get rid of cars every few years.

[@Printedperformance]

Would have been nice if they made a hybrid sports car... the advantage of low end torque and the soul of an ICE engine.

[@1RURO]

So true!! Love Alfa Romeo, I have a 2018 4C :)

[@autofanaticcars]

4C is a very special car enjoy it i plan to grab one eventually

[@edombre4637]

It would be great if Alfa produced a special last version of the quadrifoglio before they discontinue it: manual gearbox, some special exterior colours and interior design elements, CCB, yellow calipers, exposed carbon roof. I would get one immediately.

[@autofanaticcars]

That would be cool but with slow sales and corporate politics controlling what goes on it will never happen. Just wait and see when Alfa as brand goes extinct because they produced a EV cars and are sitting on lots in boatload quantities like their new Tonale SUV that nobody is buying. Consumers are reacting exactly how I anticipated they would now lets see how these automakers get themselves out of EV debt crisis they are all in.

[@edombre4637]

@@autofanaticcars problem with the Tonale is that it’s too expensive. Should be priced like a RAV or CRV. Anyway, let’s enjoy our quadrifoglios while they’re still around.

[@dennysheldon1682]

I agree with you 100% Phil and what a great timely video exposing the truths about these idiot politicians pushing this EV market! Last week I posted on another site who focuses on Alfa's & Maserati's and reported this news, what a sad day for Italy who has beautified the world with it's amazing automotive engineering and design. I also said, I would never buy another Giulia again as an EV version.

[@autofanaticcars]

It’s a shame how all automakers got roped and forced into this EV agenda now there all seeing massive losses and are in trouble. Government is the destruction of our modern times

[@kelvinl.3816]

Now our Quadrifoglios worth a lot more.

[@MB-zt9eo]

Mine is coming End of September! Rosso Etna full Carbon + Akra❤️🍀❤️

[@frankiemionetto]

It's sad that they're doing this and if they ever go all electric I will never again buy another Alfa Romeo

[@autofanaticcars]

Same for me

[@simongl1985]

This is gonna be an investment car of the future!

[@JayDee-b5u]

Not sure the world will ever be ready.

[@KUBABATIJUS]

Totally agree! Look at media reports from the Geneva Motorshow. Man, what a disgrace! Only a few years ago, sometime before COVID-19 hit us in Europe, I went to the Frankfurt Motorshow and the whole place was packed with the newest, high-performance Premium-brand products. This year, in Geneva most of the vehicles were Chinese EVs and Europe was represented by just a bunch of pathetic brands. The continent where the automotive industry was a real trademark, is dying now thanks to the morons from Brussels. The premium brands no longer see Europe as an attractive market. The weight is being shifted to the USA, Asia, and the Middle East. I hope this bull**** EV ideology will finally collapse.

[@autofanaticcars]

The EV agenda is imploding daily once you see what’s happening once automakers pull back for losing billions on making cars nobody’s buying they need to take control of their companies instead of fear being driven down their throats by politicians

[@p917pilot]

I have to agree, as a Tesla Model 3 owner. I bought a used, low mileage Model 3, 1 month before Elon pulled the rug out from under the price! Okay, why did I buy it in the first place? I got all infatuated with the acceleration. Yea, it pushed my head right up my *ss! Yes, I've been kicking myself since I finally pulled my head out and saw that this hot little number I brought home is basically a 1 trick pony. To make matters worse, what did I trade in for the "golf cart", a 2017 Giulia Q4. Now, thanks to Elon, this thing is worth half of what I owe! Who would buy a used car for twice the price of a new car.

[@autofanaticcars]

Thanks for taking time to post and share your real world experiences with buying an EV. All the Government did was mislead and lie to us as always.

[@vanceman99]

Hey Phil, I have been following your channel for years with enthusiasm of all the Alfa insight you have with these cars. Thanks for the unfortunate post that we knew was coming. It's also sad that the article is from the magazine that disparaged the car the most and continually brings up reliability issues for the brand, even though that was an early-run car. I've worked on promos for many Stellantis brands. The day I did one for Alfa Romeo years ago and got to drive the Giulia and Stelvio QV's on canyon roads in Monterey, CA was when I fell in love with them for being "Driver's Cars" without too many electronic distractions. Having done driving experiences with BMW M2.'s M3's, M4's and Porsches and Audis , I recognized immediately the difference with the Giulia QV and how it fit me like a glove. Moreover, the customers coming to drive them were all showing up in Ferraris, Lamborghinis, McLarens and Porsches and they all raved about the driving experience for this small 4-door sedan. At a later event for Motor Trend, I introduced myself to Larry Dominique, the VP of Alfa North America, and relayed the sense of driving passion from myself and the participants. He told me they knew it would be a challenge to retain that driving excitement with the new EV / Emissions mandates. And unfortunately, as you pointed out, Stellantis execs are turning away from the enthusiasts that bought their products, including all of the Dodge Hellcats. At present, they are not even going to Car Shows to promote them, affecting everyone in the industry. I also live in Los Angeles where there are areas near me around Elon Muskville (Spacex , Starlink , Manhattan Beach and El Segundo} where you will literally see 1 of every 3 or 4 cars being a Tesla (or Rivian or Lucid and now Fisker.) And many of those people can afford nice houses and faster charging. But the reality is that many people in Southern California live in apartments and have to park on the street, which means NO charging , regardless of the fact that we don't have the energy infrastructure to support everyone charging in the Summer and many rural areas having no charging infrastructure at all. Having also attended multiple commercial "green" vehicle shows, that argument actually makes more sense to convert buses and city trucks to electric and Hydrogen- Electric vehicles, rather than forcing it down every consumer's throat and destroying car culture and the repair industry in the process. Hopefully I can win the lottery and buy a QV and some other ICE cars before they no longer make them!

[@autofanaticcars]

Thanks for posting here 👍

[@vanceman99]

@@autofanaticcars Sure! One can still dream that we will hear something other than boring electric whirring noises. This is the same event I mentioned above. I'm curious if he would have the same outlook for the brand today. kzbin.info/www/bejne/f57PYqZ7nL9sp6M

[@frumpd63]

Loved my Alfa while I had it and generally enjoy your content. I think it's fine that enthusiasts appreciate and advocate for ICE vehicles and the engagement they deliver, but I strongly disagree with many of the points you're trying to make here, particularly when it comes to mainstream vehicles. For consumers that have a garage, don't road trip weekly, and don't tow, there are essentially zero reasons to ever purchase a gas vehicle again. EVs have vastly simpler, more reliable powertrains, offer smoother operation in traffic, are far safer in a collision, have much less risk of fire or rollover, offer more performance from 0 RPM and while cold, provide heat immediately, and require way less maintenance. Tesla does not actually lose money on any vehicle they sell, and Hertz stopped using them because the repair costs are too high, which is a problem across the luxury vehicle industry. In general, I think Alfisti need to stop pretending that EVs and associated regulations are the reason Alfa is dying. Alfa is dying because the early model year QVs that were used to relaunch the brand in America were largely unreliable and the media never let them forget it, even as nearly all models were class leading in many ways. Dealers were terrible, either unable to properly diagnose problems and secure replacement parts (as you experienced), or overinflated small issues in order to try and make extra money. It also doesn't help that people claim to want sporty cars, but really only spend money on luxo-barges. Also Alfa's IBS system was terrible, across all models and all years. Further, you talk about depreciation of EVs, but I had to sell my Giulia because the depreciation on the 2.0L was accelerating, even at year 5. As a result, most Alfas in my town are now fully riced out and being driven by teenagers because they're going for $20K off lease. Alfa is a special company and I hope they are able to find a solid footing with their EV platform.

[@therealunclevanya]

Much less risk of fire, lol. EVs are being considered for bans from car parks and tunnels as they have such a poor record.

[@Sav79rio]

Would you switch a 2019 QV for a newer model? Or you would just keep it for good? Mine has yellow calipers and carbon fiber roof

[@autofanaticcars]

Only if you want different colors and a smoother quieter cabin of a newer model plus warranty

[@Platos-Den]

What makes it smoother and quieter?​@@autofanaticcars

[@lifeislucci]

Sad to see the QV go. Such a beautiful car. I have been preaching the message about the used car value of EVs for a while now. It’s like buying a cell phone. They are expensive brand new and then 10 years down the road, they are completely worthless and outdated. No one wants a 10 year old phone. Unfortunately, car enthusiasts like us are going to be forced into this nonsense as politicians are going to drive the cost of fuel through the roof. It will become a luxury to fill up a vintage car with gasoline and go for a drive. Plus, we will be taxed for holding on to those vehicles. Just wait and see. If people don’t put an end to this bullshit, it’s coming for us real soon.

[@autofanaticcars]

We will fight back very soon as things have gotten so out of control due to politics it can’t continue on this path much longer

[@robertpawley5715]

These evs are Ford model T and they don’t have a short life span. In future replacement batteries if needed will be better and cheaper. Your arguments are emotive and not fact based. You use confirmation bias.

[@autofanaticcars]

keep dreaming if you think this current EV direction is ever going to work in your lifetime as the political gimps brainwash believers it will. Once we see CHINA creating a full EV grid that can withstand the population then we can talk but until then this is nothing more than a political scam to funnel money into their politicians and special interests pockets by using these deals to accept money from lobbying entities.

[@robertpawley5715]

@@autofanaticcars there’s no political scam, just some irrational policies. The infrastructure is now starting to grow. Biden should have been stronger in the implementation and regulation. US often lacks regulation and fly by nighters have a field day. In cities they’re a no brainer.

[@mauroa.4993]

They are only discontinued in the united states, not in Europe. Lucky me 🍀

[@donanz7543]

honestly, if Alfa simply added an electric motor to the 2.9l turbocharged v6 it would've had better MPG, gained the eco-marketing, and more power. I think it could have been a win-win, the only downside I could see would be the servicing long term, but depending on how they did it too there could've been govt discounts depending on where you got from, Rip to the Quadrifoglio, love the content

[@autofanaticcars]

Supercars are doing cool hybrid things on their cars but long term will be a catastrophic repair to fix making them a very tough sell second hand. Alfa had enough issues without adding hybrid with their electronics and bad batteries

[@larrychew1]

The QV weighs enough without hybrid powertrain and battery. Performance would not be as balanced.

[@HingleMacCringleberry]

Hybrid sport cars are terrible though bc once the battery is dead you are just pulling dead weight

[@solrubrum]

That wouldn't work because the 2.9l powerplant still produces over 240g/km of CO2. That's how they're targeting the ICE engines. By legislating away their ability to emit CO2.

[@sheechan8407]

Stellantis is making the same mistake as Fiat. We buy alfa romeos not because they are the cheapest, or best mpg or most reliable cars in the market. Why make them into (expensive )consumer disposable? Just look at the passion of old alfa being restored n kept around the world.

[@frankiemionetto]

Perhaps the resistance to electric vehicles and the return of Trump will make a difference?

[@autofanaticcars]

Without a global infrastructure to support this it’s going to continue to fail. Think about the millions of plugs that would need to be installed outside every apartment building in the world, not happening the way these morons in government expected it to have

[@Napaperi]

Bro calm down

[@spice3767]

I’m buying a Quad or a AMG…you could not give me a EV

[@ness79007]

So what about the standard Alfa Romeo Giulia? Will they still keep making those or will they stop making them as well??

[@tino5801]

From what I understand, most of the petrol/ diesel models are due to end at some point next year. Alfa have committed to pure electric from 2027

[@ness79007]

@@tino5801 Thanks for the info brother💯

[@karraral-bahathly6990]

Toyota kept saying we are not ready for full electrification and that third world countries don't even have the capacity for a electric car. But everyone was giving them shit for not getting into the wagon of the ev push. We should be focusing on evs and slowly transitioning once the infrastructure could meet the demand for the future. I don't remember the specific article that toyota mentioned. But it said we can have smaller hybrid batteries in more vehicles then putting them in a full ev vehicle. The drive article somewhat helps with what Iam trying to say. "What’s the best use of a limited battery supply? Do we spread those materials across a bunch of hybrids, or cram them into a few EVs"

[@autofanaticcars]

Every car manufacturer was forced into this trend and their loosing stupid amounts of money I almost think these morons in government are doing this on purpose to hurt the global economy who really knows but the lack of infrastructure couldn’t be more obvious now

[@xynostasos9022]

@@autofanaticcars there are 2 main agendas right now: the WOKE and the anti-WOKE. The WOKE idiots push EVs, transgenders and other abominations (Democrats mainly). The anti-WOKE camp is rather mixed with various lobbyists in the Republican party. Either way, modern capitalism is very complex but crashes and crises are inevitable and at some point a "reset" is needed. We just need to see if this means WW3 will start or just a larger scale 2008.

[@themachine8009]

I don’t c much infrastructure in here either

[@dianaflores5072]

Plug-in hybrids or hybrids are the way. All-electric won’t work for the masses. The reality is that we need all of the above, but as Phil stated, politicians are too clueless to provide a nuanced solution, and the general public is equally checked out.

[@magnificus8581]

If EV were the future, governments would not have to force us to buy them

[@ness79007]

Came here as soon as I seen it on your instagram story.

[@bicivanaswegen2077]

Agree 100% with you

[@autofanaticcars]

thanks for watching and sharing your opinions with us here

[@carloslewis8448]

The qv just sounds PHENOMENAL ❤

[@barryvolk9926]

Thank you for your knowledge

[@DanDole-l8k]

I don’t disagree with the pain and loss of ICE but the ship has sailed because EU regulations will make it impossible for manufacturers to survive. In Europe, the infrastructure is in a different place. BP is aggressively trying to build infrastructure but in the US or developing countries the EV power plant and supporting infrastructure will lag. Thankfully companies like Porsche are working on alternative fuels. They aren’t economically viable but give a glimmer of hope for keeping our cars with heart and soul, running. I personally don’t hate EVs and would expect the marketplace and manufacture to address aging EVs over time but the next 10 aren’t likely to be pretty, unless you own a landfill. Maybe my optimism is because I still have my 20 year old dewalt drill. 😂

[@claude7473]

The ones that MUST BE DISCONTINUED are the Managers of Alfa USA Marketing Dpt. and the bean accountants that make these decisions. You cannot produce Engineering to this level of Excellence every other year (I worked in Aerospace Engineering for 40 yrs) and these incompetent managers had the gut to pull the plug on these fantastic pieces of machinery and Alfa Romeo pride. They should be banned from Alfa Romeo USA for ever. We the owners should demand that.

[@autofanaticcars]

Unfortunately most car brands are being run by woke followers of the bogus agenda it’s a disgrace

[@tpv59]

Claude, I believe it is the FAULT of the Government, the New World Order, the United Nations Agenda, and NOT the manufacturers. We are All just puppets. We are Servants to THEM. True???????

[@barryvolk9926]

I knew EV s was a bad idea. To much to maintain

[@autofanaticcars]

Without a second hand market there horrible investments

[@hutch2142]

Never understood the push to EV's not having a better lead from the government, as without infrastructure it's impossible to push out there. The headache with the rush to EV's by the manufacturers was they effectively stopped development of the ICE product lines. Seriously debating if I by a 2023 Giulia QV as I can still find them new for about 10k under MSRP in the midwest, just not sold on how far I am from service (90 minutes), and RWD in WI. On the verge of ordering a new 2025 M440i for a daily, but it's more then a 23 QV. I wouldn't touch a 2024 at all though, it's a one year model year with new lighting/dash, you have 0 shot of buying parts long term.

[@theLEGOguy22]

Great video - totally agree. Sad to see an end of an era before our very eyes.

[@autofanaticcars]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@richardcarter1000]

Such a shame. Always loved Alfa's. I owned many including a Spider, GTV6, 75, 156. Have no interest in an EV at all.