Rugby’s law changes! 20 minute red cards….?

World Rugby has outlined its new laws plus various trials and changes in consideration for the game.
So, I go through them one by one to give my immediate thoughts!

[@Davidvx1468]

Springboks win 2027 RWC with attacking rugby World Rugby - No more counter attacking allowed

[@Wolf-hh4rv]

Exactly, if that happens they’ll ban tries

[@chrisr5499]

Ha in yer dreams Springboks wins were bloody awful...South Africa should just go to AFL

[@mthabitX]

If the SA win 3 in a row they will ban teams with green jerseys and gold collars 😂

[@chrisr5499]

@@mthabitXThe Aussie League team are not involved sadly

[@mthabitX]

@@chrisr5499 how can you ban someone that is not in union to begin with? Are you thick?

[@hendrikcoetzer7234]

No 1 put the ball straight in the scrum for a starter

[@davidpells4298]

Given the pending lawsuits against World Rugby its not good cosmetics to be seen to be reducing punishments for dangerous play ..The lawyers representing the class action against WRugby surely will take note ..

[@icefarrow7959]

Did you even read the source? Off-field punishments would be increased in addition to the 20 minute cards, not to mention 20 minute cards only apply to upgraded yellows, straight reds still function as full-match bans.

[@OGLewis77]

The last 30s of a shot clock need to utilise the countdown music!

[@faranglao8006]

Played over the stadium speakers 😂. Genius

[@chrisr5499]

🤣

[@arthurharrison2972]

Changing laws to counter the Springboks will not work. Have tried in the past. They are rugby wise and will turn every opertunity into a strength. Will run around that "off side drifter " then we'll play 15 vs 14 the whole game

[@jamesrice1187]

Alfie, regarding the rule changes: you talk so much sense. Thank you.

[@gg60384]

On scrums, one thought I had is whether the front rows could bind (or even engage) before the second and back rows coming in - vast majority of scrums need to be reset when binding or engaging and take longer because the whole packs need to get back into shape so it would allow front rows to get into the correct position more quickly before the rest of the pack comes in while still keeping scrums as an important part of the game

[@firepunch5001]

Rugby Union is willfully promting Rugby League...next 40years what happened to rugby union asked by kids around the world in history books

[@chrisr5499]

And why not ...they were right

[@hannesbornman1045]

I have got two possible solutions to world rugby's problem: 1. Make unions rules exactly the same as legue's 2. Ban the Springboks from rugby union There problem solved

[@ianjacobs2998]

Don't talk 💩💩💩💩you ...head 🤡🤡🤡

[@ianjacobs2998]

@@hannesbornman1045 Sorry my friend , my apologies!!!!🤝🤝🙏

[@thecuttingsark5094]

😂

[@libertyavalanche]

Remember they already tried #2.

[@chrisr5499]

Agree but let the Bok's play Rugby League as I bet they be very good at that code of RUGBY.

[@Vlerkies]

Scrum time needs to be speeded up, this is the biggest issue with rugby, and in the very least regulated like the kicks for poles.. It is the biggest area of the game that wastes time, next lineout formation. Dunno about the scrumhalf protection? Why, arguably they get away with a lot when the ball is clearly 'out' and cry foul. Meh. Why not just clean up the rule book, too vague and way to complex to entice new fans. Is it still a rule that you have to put a ball in straight into the scrum, then hook. I dunno anymore.? Remove the fetcher/jackal? I remember the old days when you get the ball by any means possible, now the fetcher is being removed? Madness. Nothing against tackles to the hips and below myself. Safer than now and will change the defensive requirements, Just 1st cursory thoughts. In order to grow Rugby the rules need to be clear, not vague. Less grey the better. Right now its really a mess. We saw that at the RWC and before, with tackle laws, different interpretations, head contact, red cards here not there, etc ,etc. Its a sh!tshow

[@matthewvanrensburg3824]

And yet again we see NZ say jump and WR ask how high.

[@schnickeringhen]

Always with the whinging about NZ. It’s total rubbish. The NH have the most power when it comes to changing rugby which is WHY it’s been so slow to do anything meaningful, despite desperately needing some reinvigoration.

[@xmun2450]

the didnt change shit , NZ wanted far more changes. World rugby is a NH dominated affair

[@joedennehy386]

Do as your told

[@caylebmladenovic3348]

@@xmun2450much like 2016 when the last set of rule changes was brought in to end the all blacks dominance just too make rugby a factually worst and slower sport. These law charges are fixing a fuck up and making the sport better your an idiot I bet you havnt watched rugby for longer than 8 years

[@revanomichael]

Poor Springboks! Now we have to find another way to win the world cup! Which we will!!!!

[@citedcanvas85]

Dr Rassie to add a 3rd light to his tactics😉

[@thecuttingsark5094]

😂 brilliant

[@chrisr5499]

@@citedcanvas85Lets get Dr Rassie have a cross code game against the Aussie NRL lot

[@chrisjohnson6631]

Haha. Good on you! (From and Englishman)

[@garthinator1]

Springboks are the best team in the world at bending the rules and shithousery causing the rugby world to react. Also, you'l be fine. The doping program in SA is comprehensive

[@mikegray8776]

Nice run-down, Alfie. Thanks👍🏼

[@TheBuildKingR]

Disagree with the line out play on if not straight - if you are defending and you know a maul is coming you would rather want to defend instead of competing the lineout if on your goal line.

[@Bobbydyland]

Just to be clear, it's not the SH calling for a 20 min red card, it's the Kiwi's. It's small wonder than that the first team to ever be red carded in a RWC final wants cards to have a lessor impact. If anything I think a red card needs to be more dramatic in it's scope, not less. Now teams can target a key player, (someone like dupont) put him out for the whole game and be back to 100% in 20 mins? Stupid change, not needed.

[@jacqloock]

You mean someone like a team’s only hooker minutes into a WC final?

[@xmun2450]

This is misleading because no one is suggesting getting rid of the full game red card which is still awardable its to introduce a card in the middle of the two for the new tackle rules where in all rugby we have been seeing more red cards. There would still be an option for a full game red for a malice attack. NZ has been calling for this years before that World Cup final, its a change that was bought into Super Rugby long before any World Cup.

[@natedogg8775]

What you mean Rassie has gone at the refs and made videos about them more than any other coach or player in world rugby 😂

[@DavidSmith-yi8ou]

Super Rugby comp had been playing under the 20 min red card rule before the WC. It worked well. Sam Canes WC red is irrelevant… unless you just hate the ABs.

[@Bobbydyland]

​@@xmun2450 Except it teaches NZ players that there's very little consequence for the team if they tackle poorly. The red card trial in Super Rugby is the likely reason that NZ had the most red cards of any team at last years RWC, despite only playing 3 challenging matches. Good tackle technique can be coached, and this change would see to it that it doesn't need to be. Peter Steph Du Toit put in 23 huge hits in the final, all were low. No bad for a 2 meter tall man.

[@thomaseskenazi2013]

I have a strong issues with : Shotclocks when both teams are invovled, play on lineout not straight if uncontested and red cards limited on time. Shotclocks when both teams are invovled, this could be abused on so many levels, that would be close to impossible to be really fair on who is actually responsible between attacking and defending team ineout not straight if uncontested, so in 5 meters touch, I can thor it directly to my half-scrum if the opposing team does not contest? Just write that it is mandatory to contest the lineout then, it will be less hypocritical =) Red cards limited on time, so I can target a key player on the oppositing team, injued it and have the team not penalised more than 20 mins? Please, everyone can see this is could be abused way too easily. Not everyone is well intended, even in Rugby ^^' Also, I agree we want to see more efficient scrums, not less scrums!

[@Karma-qt4ji]

Agree. The lineout issue - if a defending team on the 5y line does not compete then you can basically throw the ball to your flyhalf. Why even bother with the 9?!? lol Any law that adds an even worse potential exploit is not going to go well. This is the reason why I also have an issue with the scrum free kick thing - forcing a defending lineout to compete while at the same time giving a weaker scrum a reason not to. No way a free kick is as much of an attacking opportunity as a scrum. For one thing, unless the ball is in the 9's hands when the FK is called, the opposition has time to get their defence in place.

[@garthinator1]

You're living a bit in fantasy land about the red card rule. The player that gets carded is off for the rest of the game and they have to use their bench after the 20 minutes. The red carded player still gets sanctioned and banned and the fan experience isn't qdversely affected.

[@frasierfrasier1769]

I would like to see the end of the "Mark" law in the 22.

[@scottsullivan5016]

I must be in a minority in liking the mark from a restart. All restarts will be a kick to compete rather than a long kick followed by a ruck, followed by a caterpillar ruck and a kick to touch on halfway.

[@Ivandre423]

A red card should always be given on the field, like it always were. If they want to review the yellow card, and find no mitigation, they should just extend the time to 20 minutes and not give 20 minute red cards, that ridiculous. If the danger cannot be assessed on the field as red card worthy, it should not become a red card off the field.

[@user-fg1fh3bt7d]

We(Springboks) have a attacking coach(Tony Brown) in for this reason of the foolish changes..We just start to run more...no problem😊

[@garysmith5025]

On the caterpillar rucks, I'd get rid of the "use it" warning from the Ref and just have them call "ball out" when 5 seconds have passed from the ball being available. Scrum halfs will soon get used to playing more quickly if there's a good chance they'll get swamped whilst setting up a caterpillar and rolling the ball back

[@060stick]

What about using a round ball and penalise handling the ball.

[@Karma-qt4ji]

that's pretty much the way we are going lol. As long as we ban shin clutching while writhing around on the floor before that becomes a scourge too...

[@JohnRidley12]

I've got this, probably unworkable, idea that for free kick scrum offenses you shouldn't be allowed to reset. But you do get ten extra meters for the mark. Think this would be a good incentive for a dominant scrum and speed the game up. As you would be instantly behind the defense. So many of these just seem weird. Why get rid of the jackle? Who was asking for this? I could see the argument for reducing the number of subs. Don't care how they are used as that gets fiddly and hard to explain to newbies. Rugby is more exciting than ever. Small, necessary tweaks only.

[@davebailey7494]

So the problem here is we don't have the thinking behind the changes so we're guessing a little....wrt the mark after restart they might be thinking that, having scored, the team with impetuous is then put on the back foot by the current system. As you say, they're immediately under pressure and clearing. It doesn't say start just restart. With the change, the scoring team can hoof the ball and start defending from inside the opposition half, and maintain the pressure/momentum. I'm not at all sure we need it but it does have some logic to it.

[@user-mkru]

Red/Yellow cards make it dangerous for players. You have 14 players trying to stop 15. It's very uneven. Change the rule. On a yellow you can immediately bring on a sub and the player chased off can be used again as a sub after 10 min. On a red card you can immediately bring on a sub but the player chased off is not permitted to take further part in the game. The tackle problem was introduced when player were permitted to "place" the ball after being tackled. Holding onto the ball on the ground making it difficult for the opposition to get hold of the ball. The AB's then started tackling the ball to get the ball causing the high tackle problem. Change the rule. If you hit the ground you leave the ball and roll away with the tackler. End of high tackle problem.

[@charliebannon5489]

Keep the jackal

[@pheasantplucker6117]

I have big issues with the maul on the line. If the player at the back has the the ball waiting to flop over the line. Then all the players in front of the ball are offside. (Bound or not) Not to mention that if the ball ends up at the front then at some point it must have gone forward. Brought with issues.

[@joedennehy386]

I agree

[@w00000]

Shot-clock is ridiculous as scrums require contact to be made between the two teams (unlike kicks...) and this would make it impossible to determine which team is responsible for purposefully slowing it down upon the initiation of the timer (thus allowing it to exploited via deceptive tactics!)??

[@bowanna63]

BAN THE BLOODY HAKA! UNLESS WHEN FACING IT YOUR ALLOWED TO RESPOND APPROPRIATELY ! WHY ARE THE KIWIS GIVEN THIS ADVANTAGE !

[@colindouglas7769]

Why? Do you find it intimidating? If you don't like to see it, go and accompany the wife on a trip around the shops instead! Personally speaking as a Scotland fan, I've never failed to enjoy seeing what is a traditional pre-match ritual display at these games. It's an integral part of Maori culture; it's tatooed into their DNA and I rather suspect the vast majority of rugby fans will respond to such a ridiculous proposal by demanding that the Maori Haka, the Tongan Sipi Tau, the Samoan Siva Tau and the Fijian Cibi are all kept as an integral part of our international rugby occasions. And who says we're not allowed to respond to them? Don't you think the appropriate way to respond is to win the game?

[@stanvanrensburg6620]

TOTALLY AGREE with allowing teams to give a response back!

[@bowanna63]

firstly you insult my family ! you then display total ignorance with regards to the LAWS ! If any international team disrespects the "WAR DANCE " They are fined ! I suggest you try reading some long books and if you get stuck on any long words maybe your wife will explain them to you !

[@brucemcdonald8529]

The only thing kiwis are good at...shouting, bleating and making weird faces!!

[@propellerhead428]

I have not heard 1 Rugby fan, in a stadium, in a Pub or in front of TV complain about a game going on a bit longer because of getting the scrum right? The same issue with making the game faster or more "theater", changing the game is not going to get new people in a stadium or in front of a TV, WR needs to spearhead development at the school level in non-Rugby countries.

[@stephportablepagan8759]

Agree Alfred. the jackal isn't the problem, the problem is players flopping into the ruck ones it's formed and flying in off their feet. Make it that if your not part of th initial ruck you can't join it after. Ref signals ruck and that's it.Would speed up rucks too.

[@mercedessl8718]

I guess the restart and the ability to call mark might make teams not kick long and go for a more competitive restart just over the 10 line🤔

[@donnieconradie800]

So there would literally be nothing preventing the flyhalf from catching the lineout ball? It's not like you can contest it.

[@johnhanson5943]

Somebody else said it - and I agree - when NZ aren’t winning titles - they start pushing changes to rules. Some good and some bad - but all ultimately tactical in favour of the ABs stengths.

[@DavidSmith-yi8ou]

Well, ABs have strengths in pretty much all areas. Perhaps some teams have more obvious weaknesses that could be exposed by these proposals…. which is all they are at the moment.

[@Davidvx1468]

1000% agree.

[@markcorcoran3477]

Surely it’s not the all blacks that make the rules it’s world rugby!!!

[@DavidSmith-yi8ou]

@@markcorcoran3477 of course not. An ironic accusation when the ABs have a winning, or at worst an even record, against all teams with the existing rules. Teams of the insecure supporters will need to adapt or get left behind.

[@mikegray8776]

Anything that limits bogus water-boy antics is a good thing in my book. Garbisi’s last minute penalty kick vs France sealed it for me - disgraceful.

[@thecuttingsark5094]

The water boy should never be on the field. Players can drink at half time.

[@robinpengelley2123]

I wonder which team is best at scrums,mauls,jackels and tactical subs. 👀

[@jesseferguson4269]

Its mind boggling how a large percentage of the SA fans on here are so insecure to think this is a conspiracy against them led by NZ 😅😅😅. Boks are a great team that have won back to back world cups based on innovation and squad depth. A few minor law changes to improve the viewing experience wont stop them from continuing to be great will it? Ironic how the fans of the most innovative team over the past few years are so afraid of innovating the game a little.

[@geoffhogan4831]

Go watch rugby league. This is anti SA...

[@jesseferguson4269]

​@@geoffhogan4831cry me a river.

[@firepunch5001]

They just never want to see the 7-1 split again...😂😂😂 World rugby is a joke

[@stephenmays1928]

Hi Alfred Very much joy your content. Re law changes. my 50c worth i think refs should actually give a verbal reverse count down to scrum halves at rucks; "use it! 5,4,3,2,1"; and on the 1 the ruck over. with the Dupont law. players in front of the kicker are off side until the kicker is gone past them. I agree with you removing second scrum option in favour of a free kick could mean teams might deliberately give away a free kick. But you could also argue that currently if a team is totally dominant at the scrum they could deliberately throw a forward pass knowing they're virtually guaranteed a penalty at the ensuing scrum. And why when a team is given a free kick they can opt for a scrum but not the other way round? This would give teams like Japan the ability to compete without having to import overseas players ? I imagine alot of asian countries look at rugby and think they can never compete physically. if we want the game to grow, in asia at least, then we have to look at this. If you're struggling at the line out for example a team has lots of optioins; throw to front , middle or back? shorten the line out? So why not give options at scrum time as well?? The only slight tweak I would make is that if a team selected this option they would have to tap and go through at least one phase before they could kick the ball. A compromise could be that this option is only available in the middle of the pitch ie between the 22's. I'm dead againt changing the tackle height, as you said most head injuries are sustained by the tackler going low. 100% agree with shot clocks for scrums and line outs; I watched a replay recently of a 5 nations game from 1981 and it struck me how quickly the forwards were in place and ready to scrum, I counted and through out the match it was between 10-15 seconds after the ref blew his whistle. If those amateurs could do it surely the pros can do it today. Anyway I'd love to hear your thoughts and counter arguments. cheers

[@Gilescowdemdem]

Loosely on board with most of these excluding, unsurprisingly, the 20-minute red card. If ever there were a more clear backward step on player welfare and a lack of incentive to teach players to tackle lower I can't think of it.

[@DavidSmith-yi8ou]

How? The carded player remains off. They’ll also be sited and will likely be suspended for weeks. How is the current rule safer? Players are getting red carded regardless…

[@Camcolito]

@@DavidSmith-yi8ou Some players are, some teams hardly ever get a red card because they pay attention to the rules instead of whining constantly about it like in NZ.

[@DavidSmith-yi8ou]

@@Camcolito sounds like you’re whining to me.

[@egnercoetzee5291]

Alfie it’s quite obvious, IRB wants to ensure there’s a new champ in 2027. What they don’t realise is that Rassie already saw some of these coming. I heard someone say last week, look at the type of players he’s bringing in and grooming now for a year or more.

[@Burninglash]

Removing the jackel is dumb. How does a defending side win back the ball?

[@russellfulton6861]

Would there be counter rucking? Like if to win the ball back you have to throw 3-4 guys at a ruck would open up a lot more space in theory?

[@austinarsenault9040]

@@russellfulton6861why would any team throw people in , just don’t compete

[@Burninglash]

@russellfulton6861 nope all you will get is Irish style fast rucks, remember there is also a rule change to add further protection for the scrumhalf. Teams will not commit to the ruck they will join the defensive line. I think they will turn rugby into something like basket ball where the attacking tram will run rampant

[@thecuttingsark5094]

Getting rid of the jackal is the same as saying you’re not allowed to pick up the ball

[@caylebmladenovic3348]

The fact your all calling it a jackle and not a pilfer just shows your too new to the sport of rugby too have any say what so ever.

[@kevinrudd9257]

I. am starting to struggle with all the constant changes. i think i might be done with it.

[@mikegray8776]

Marking re-start kicks is brainless !!!

[@citedcanvas85]

I dont fully understand what the rule changes are exactly. Struggling to visualise it

[@notenoughstones3873]

Immediate law changes: - Agree with use it call. Have seen it in some URC games with refs counting down. If a team is still able to form a caterpillar ruck, then good on them but they will be taking a risk now. Can't see anyway to ban these caterpillar rucks without some severe unintended consequences - Brake foot fine. This was reffed strictly in the rugby championship in 2022 but then seemed to go away - usual story with rugby - Water carriers should only speak to their team. Any chat to the ref (obviously not including just a friendly hello etc) then team gets penalised and water carrier banned for a few weeks Possible changes: - DuPont law should be changed but think reverting fully back could cause major issues. If the full back is tackled at the back and held on the ground for a couple of seconds with nobody else able to put the team onside, this would also be farcical. There was a reason there was a loophole in the first place. I think that the rule should be amended so that offside players need to retreat 10m and then can move if opposition runs 5m or passes etc. This would still provide the space to counter attack but would account for when the whole team is unable to be put onside. - No scrum off a free kick is just nonsense. Even though refs wouldn't allow teams to give away free kicks with impunity, teams could still exploit it by only giving away a free kick when they are defending a scrum in their 22 and scrum normally elsewhere. Much better for the defence to defend a free kick rather than a scrum which engages 8 forwards and creates space out wide. - Agree on croc roll. Very dangerous and causes severe injuries very often - see Darcy Swain and Shannon Frizzell who inflicted long term injuries on their opponents

[@notenoughstones3873]

Areas for further analysis: - 20 min red card is stupid. This is also not a SH thing, its an antipodean idea. The new head contact protocol has already resulted in a higher rate of lower tackles and will continue to do so and the idea it isn't working doesn't hold water. Its not working for SOME teams because, for some reason, they refuse to take it seriously. Must be a pure coincidence that the country (NZ) pushing the most for 20 min reds has been the worst disciplined Tier 1 team in the last 2 years. Their neighbours aren't too much better either. Also must be purely a coincidence that these 2 poorly disciplined countries have trialled 20min reds in Super Rugby for the last 2 years. But anyway here are a few stats that might provide some insight: New Zealand have received at least one red card every year since 2019. They have received 5 red cards in the last 2 years, the joint most for Tier 1 nations (England being the other), all for dangerous head contact in the tackle or cleanout. They have received 20 cards in total over the last 2 years, again the most out of Tier 1 nations. New Zealand were the most carded team at the World Cup for both yellows and reds (tied with Namibia) and had a significantly higher card/game ratio than any other Tier 1 nation. Now with this in mind, if anyone really believes that NZ want 20 min red cards in order to make the sport of rugby better, well I have a bridge to sell you. - I take my comment back about the re-start being the dumbest change. Removing the jackal would be a disaster for rugby. We might as well all give up and watch league if this is introduced as the unintended consequences of this will absolutely kill this game. Without competition at the rucks, there is no incentive to pile bodies in and there will be far fewer turnovers which are a healthy source of tries plus more players in the defence line reducing space. So lets play this change out to its potential end point to show what would happen. If you remove the jackal, there would be fewer tries from counter attack obviously and would result in more players in the defensive line on their feet which would reduce space out wide and lead to fewer tries. With no incentive to throw players into rucks, the defence will obviously choose to fill up the defensive line. Attacking teams, now with less space on the field but no jackal threat would of course just carry direct into the line time and time again trying to make metres with almost zero risk of a turnover. You would regularly see a huge number of phases where its only carry, tackle, carry, tackle etc. 40+ phases (but super boring monotonous ones) will be a regular occurrence. This would need to be fixed then right? So how does one do this? Well you can reduce players on the field and/or limit the number of phases each team has to play and/or push the defence back 5m from the tackle to create space. Is this starting to sound familiar? Whoever came up with this stupendously idiotic idea needs to be removed from any involvement in law changes at World Rugby ASAP. Jackal has to stay and to improve safety, remove croc roll and be more lenient on side entry (which is already the case) to counter the jackal threat. - Complaints about TMO are misguided and any changes will just bring a new form of different complaints. Reduce the use of TMO and people will complain when an error resulting in a try isn't called by the on field ref. Increase the TMO use and people will complain, as they are now, that they are stepping in too much. This is a no-win scenario. Howlers are extremely rare these days and no, a marginal decision that goes against your team isn't a howler. Even the recent Scotland disallowed try wasn't a howler, contrary to popular belief, and is actually a clear example of the type of moaning you will see when there is less TMO involvement. Under the old TMO protocol (try/no try), when they were more involved, this would have resulted in a try. Now with the on field ref being the main decision maker, the TMO could not award the try under the new protocol. Maybe a better idea would be for World Rugby to consistently punish coaches and players who denigrate referees (which in turn ramps up the abuse against them by fans). They didn't make a video or post tweets but how have DuPont and Galthié not been sanctioned yet for their comments on O' Keefe. Galthié especially has now, on 2 separate occasions, blamed O' Keefe for the QF loss. Its not as bad as Rassie but itself still warrants a fairly hefty response from World Rugby. I don't buy into the conspiracy against SA mentality either but things like this really put that to the test lol.

[@notenoughstones3873]

Areas for further analysis (continued): - Studies conducted by World Rugby with Bath University and others on the impact of replacements on injuries indicate that more replacements reduce injury risk overall. The highest injury risk profile is a fatigued player vs a fatigued player. With technology, tams can very accurately track players' energy levels etc which happen at different times so trying to standardise substitution replacements is just daft. With World Rugby already under a serious amount of heat with lawsuits etc, its hard to see them changing this. Anybody calling for reduced subs need to first look a the studies and the data and try to refute it. This idea of creating more fatigue will lead to a more open game doesn't fly either. Rugby players themselves say that they feel more fatigued in attack then defence and having fatigued players running around on attack will make it slower, less accurate lower quality. Does anyone really think that players hobbling around like Sexton was in the WC quarter final will really improve the quality of the game? - Lastly on tackle height, I don't think this is necessary for the professional game. There is already a good indication that teams (when they actually take it seriously) are tackling lower at much higher rate then before. SA and Ireland good examples and England recently. If it takes another 5 or 6 red cards in the next 2 years for other teams to take it seriously, then that is their problem. With the current protocol and sanctions, most teams are already adapting. England have already shown massive improvement already, influenced I'm sure by Nienaber's apprentice, Felix Jones, actually coaching them properly. As for our antipodean brothers, well they will either change or keep getting punished as they have been.

[@caylebmladenovic3348]

@@notenoughstones3873the fact you called it a jackle and not a pilfer just says you know nothing about rugby and discredits everything you said. Your too new too the sport too have an opinion

[@notenoughstones3873]

@@caylebmladenovic3348 yawn 🥱 🥱

[@xmun2450]

This is misleading because it wouldn't null the full game red card it creates a new card in the middle of the two because of the newer laws around tackling. Sometimes these tackles happen so fast and there is no malice in it. Red cards for the rest of the game can still be awarded by the ref for malice behaviour.

[@jackfire2189]

Caterpillars and kick tennis have already turned people off, and both need to go immediately. No mention of feeding the scrum, which is an abomination of contestable play. The 3 point drop goal should be looked at, Allowing marks from kick-offs is an atrocious decision, its cowardly and is often an abuse of open play. The knock-ons by the scrum half at the base of rucks and scrums is another inconsistency, why do the referees let them keep placing the ball on the ground, that's a clear rule break. The use it should be three seconds only. These rule changes don't address the many problems of the game.

[@ortforshort7652]

Scrums are part of the charm of the game. Eliminating them would be lunacy. Timing the scrums and lineouts is the answer if your opinion is that they are time wasters As far as South Africans being paranoid about the rule changes. You bet they are. It's not the fans or the players, but management for teams like England, Australia and New Zealand are flat out sore losers. And they're the ones who are doing all the bellyaching to make these changes

[@mikegray8776]

You can’t put a timer on every scrum - but, surely to God, they must STOP the game clock for every (frequent) scrum re-set ….. an absolute no-brainer - 4-minutes to achieve one successful scrum is completely deranging.

[@scottsullivan5016]

I’d be in favour of a 20 minute red card if came with a reduction in subs allowed to - say about 5. Rugby has long since ceased being a 15 man game - its now a 23 man game. If you make it a 20 man game and introduce 20 minute red cards teams would still be disadvantaged significantly (for example by brining on a replacement TH much earlier than planned) but without making the result a foregone conclusion

[@mikegray8776]

Can’t see ANY reason NOT to let the side awarded a free-kick opt for a scrum instead. Totally valid option.

[@richardworley7798]

Most of the time, a scrum could have happened anyway when a free kick is awarded at a scrum. Should only award it if the offence leads to an advantage

[@mikelambrou4462]

Whilst they are reviewing the laws I’d like to see the choke tackle banned - a blight on the game. How is it that a team can hold the ball up, the ref calls a maul and then the defending team immediately collapse the maul a win a turnover. If you collapse a maul set from a line out it’s a penalty to the team in possession. Madness.

[@bobbler42]

Scrums may be integral to the game, scrummaging is not. It has become a time soak where the team that flops to the ground in the most appealing fashion gets the advantage. Re 20 min red cards: twaddle. Every concussion increases cte risk. No sport is worth a chronic brain injury. If you cannot pay your opponent the courtesy of not risking same to them for an advantage lasting at most 80 minutes, you shouldn’t get to inflict yourself on others’ leisure.

[@GoldenbanjoDJ]

Where oh where is the discussion on the very worst law in history - goal line dropout to defending team for holding the attacking team’s ball up when trying to score a try. Terrible and sickening law

[@adrianincapetown7043]

Removing the "second scrum" option, will result in more penalties being awarded, rather than free kicks, at the first scrum.

[@christogerber5566]

Just sad, and don't get me wrong I understand that there are legitimate safety concerns, that we try to "run away" from the contact part of this great contact sport. You do not see boxing and MMA doing this.

[@MarkoCoomo]

Very interesting, thanks for vid. 20 min red cards and more red cards is not a good solution imho, we need a way of differentiating a malicious stomp from an accidental head clash at speed, without using orange cards etc. And .. changing the way replacements can be used .. ?? What? Seems bizarre.

[@MarkoCoomo]

Thinking about it for 2 mins .. couldn't the bunker decide if a yellow should either be 10 mins, 20 mins or a red?

[@PGA15852]

There is another area of the game that needs addressing ... the "Choke Tackle". In my opinion this is a really negative tactic. I don't agree that the team killing the ball should get the put in at the scrum. They should be penalised not rewarded. Grrr!!!

[@cairozulu6700]

I like qrugby though there is still a lot to learn about it. What I would like toknow is what has prompted these laws.

[@TheSpringbokFans]

I don’t understand the issue of coaches getting messages to players during the game? It makes the game better in my view. An extra tactical edge. Coaches can strategise in real time. In other sports you often have four quarters where coaches intervene in team plays and probably do it in beteeen quarters as well in some way. Everyone can do it so it’s not unfair.

[@julianfoster4015]

Shot clocks are fine in pro rugby in big arenas. But what about local and school rugby?. There would have to be two versions of the game. Is that really the direction rugby should be taking?

[@wynandvanzyl8798]

World rugby makes me mad. I get so angry. Why don’t they change to rugby league and get it over with Killing Union completely? What a lot of typical all-black John Kirwan bullshit

[@chrisr5499]

Thats a good idea sick of having 2 Rugby Codes.

[@patrickkinsella9134]

I agree NZ is only one country .

[@DavidSmith-yi8ou]

South African alert….

[@caylebmladenovic3348]

Your soo wrong

[@jonathonwhitiora8102]

league should drop rugby call it self league and let rugby be called rugby and league is league

[@Karma-qt4ji]

Scary how few of these will actually improve the game and how many of them are forcing how you play the game while at the same time opening up a new can of worms on the exploit front.

[@minki46664]

Thank goodness they decided to change the rules. I mean the games are so boring. The six nations games were all played in basically empty stadiums. And if you aren't dying of boredom you have to watch dead players being carted off the field. I saw one game last weekend where they took the player's head clean off. It makes me sick.

[@markrutherford6010]

The best law change is the 20 minute red card.We are getting way too many red cards in our game. In horse racing we have handicap races.In rugby do we really need the rugby handicap 14???? That rugby World Cup final was rugby handicap 14.Do we really want handicap event??? The fans demand a fair contest!! We are getting too many red cards for wrong tackle height!!!

[@feliscorax]

I reckon World Rugby has got this one arse about face. If anything, it’s the yellow card that could do with some tinkering - whether 15 minutes or 20 minutes duration - with the red card remaining a whole of game sending off. The goal should be to disincentivise deliberately foul and dangerous play whilst retaining innate fairness in the game. For the sake of player protection, I sincerely hope this 20 minute red card “unnovation” doesn’t lead to counter-productive results where player welfare is concerned, and especially, that it isn’t abused by canny teams looking to negate an opposition talisman or two…

[@feliscorax]

- or, y’know, they could just leave things exactly as they are now. After all, it isn’t broken, neither is it in need of repair.

[@chrisr5499]

When you say foul play then what was old school Rucking

[@timdiggle5090]

Although the changes described should be welcome I harbour a suspicion that they will simply lead to more unintended consequences and prove counter-productive. I have long held that many of the game's current problems stem from prior changes equally well-meant but which have simply exchanged one problem for a bigger one. Removal of the long setting of a scrum and restoration of the straight feed would solve many of the scrummaging problems by reducing the time taken and reducing power by 12% by forcing hookers to hook. Restoring the ruck would eliminate the jackal and speed the game up and restoring the put-in to the side going forward after a break-down would commit more forwards to free up space for the backs and instantly kill the caterpillar ruck. Restoring substitutions for injury only would ensure lighter, faster forwards and stop the last quarter becoming a series of stoppages and delays. Remove the idiotic coaches masquerading as waterboys and stop substitutes warming up in-goal - medical intervention only without referee permission. Nothing, however, will overcome the problem of highly-tuned professional athletes playing a high-contact game designed for weekend amateurs

[@richardworley7798]

Make Rucks safer, bring back rucking!

[@chrisr5499]

That will never happen in this day and age.

[@blackmonday5295]

1 red card may not ruin a game but a 2nd and a 3rd will. The 20 min rule will give referees more freedom to give 2nd and 3rd red cards.

[@retlwiz]

I hate the jackal because it’s 99% of the time geared to getting a penalty and stopping the game, so it’s a negative tactic. Going back to obliging players to release the ball when tackled would bring more rucking back in, but is that a bad thing? Not sure what the answer is, but anything that cuts down the relentless flow of penalties has to be good. Scrums and line-outs are way too slow, but the rest to me is pretty much ok. Apart from if you change the line-out to not being penalised for not being straight when it’s uncontested you’ll get a load of crooked lineout throws with token attempts to contest and refs having to go the TMO and judge if it was contested or not, etc - a mess! Leave that one as it is, please. I also don’t mind mauls taking a bit of time - at least the ball is in play then, as opposed to stopping for penalties. And yes, leave the kick-off alone - it’s fine.

[@stanvanrensburg6620]

I couldnt agree more mate. As a Bok fan i LOVE the jackal because we are one of the better teams to use it but hate playing against another team using it well. So i am massively in favor of removing the jackal!

[@carlh296]

On the Red card issue, England ladies lost the world cup final because of a very early red, 1st or second minute I think it was. Nothing malicious, yes it was a red, but it was a stupid, just started the game lets get into it moment. It ruined the game. I'd like to think the black ferns also think it ruined the game a bit too, if they are honest, because England were the favorites, and I'm sure the black ferns would have liked to beat a full strength England, not a 14 ladie England.

[@hendrikcoetzer7234]

changing a red card to 20min will be great then you can totally fuck up someone in the first minute and still have 60 min to play. please change that law

[@grahamstory]

Ban teams wearing black shirts.

[@chrisr5499]

Ban racist teams like the Boks back in the day

[@triarno1598]

Clearly a ploy to lessen the strengths of the springbok team

[@alfredreynolds5]

The no scrum from a free kick sounds mental to me 🤯

[@triarno1598]

@alfredreynolds5 that's what had me scratching my head as well. I hope there isn't any sinister things happening in the background for the sake of rugby because at the minute.. looks like a lot of abuse of power right here

[@tshepokgatle5620]

Here's the thing Alfie. Even if these dodgy laws are implemented Rassie along with his troops will still find ways to adapt and try to be one step ahead of the rest And if these adjustments leads to the "three-peat" then watch the space World Rugby will try to change the laws AGAIN to depower South Africa😩 For me it's a typical example of World Rugby being bitter sore losers. They can't take it that a 3rd world country from Africa are the kings of rugby😑😏

[@matthewvanrensburg3824]

Been happening for decades since return from isolation. NZ says jump and WR ask how high.

[@citedcanvas85]

Good thing we got a kiwi in the coaching team now. Hopefully it wont be an issue going into the next world cup

[@jackdarby8904]

I feel like most of these are really good changes!

[@scottsullivan5016]

Scrums idea is bonkers. The reason why scrums are such a mess is they are no longer just a restart but a means of milking a penalty. It’s crazy that it’s the only area of the game where you can be penalised just for being weaker than the other team. Replace all scrum penalties with free kicks - other than for an attacking scrum in the 22. Scrum penalties from a 5m scrum should result in a penalty try.

[@tobysmeiman6921]

Aimed at Boks scrumming power. But there is way around it. Rassie wil find a way to come with come new strategies. Our new team 2 locks 1 flyhalf and fullback. The rest all flankers big fast fellas fluke all scrums. No backline required. These big guys will break hips in the opposing backline. Stupid, stupendous. This will kill us older fans. Crocrolls are not dangerous, ask any mma fighter. Will this lead eventually to a second wr organisation.

[@Burninglash]

NZ has to much influence in this discussion. Franchise, SA and England have powerful scrums. Not sure they are going to buy into the changes. If the idea is to neuter the boks by nz, it will backfire we will simply retred surplus flankers to mobile props. We have plenty of top quality guys who can't get a look in atm.

[@itistrue101]

you're new to Rugby? The IRB has been the NH old boys club since its inception.

[@davidross1481]

WR fiddle to correct their constant mistakes

[@fraserposford144]

I'm really not a fan of how overpowered the scrum is in the game compared to other set pieces. My most radical rule change suggestion would be to get rid of scrum penalties and make them all free kicks, yellow card for repeated infringements. However, I'm pretty sure that's not going to be popular, especially with South Africans. My more reasonable suggestion would be for refs to stop the clock more for reset scrums. Prevent teams wasting so much time on them, especially when it's deliberate at the end of a game. The clock should be off when the ref blows their whistle for a reset and back on when the two packs set. Both would encourage teams to play more with the ball and spend less time milking scrum penalties or just wasting time.

[@joedennehy386]

I totally agree

[@TaydoS]

Only teams who can't scrummage would agree. There's always Rugby League for those who don't want to see dominate scrums.

[@fraserposford144]

@@TaydoS so if one team is dominating in the lineout, we should make a rule that gifts them easy penalties? Sounds silly cos it is. The scrum is a tool to get the game started again, not primarily a points scoring method, but that's exactly how teams use it.

[@stanvanrensburg6620]

Its a fair point RE the scrums - but i can guarantee you that you would be singing a different tune if your team were the ones winning all those scrum penalties ;)

[@fraserposford144]

@@stanvanrensburg6620 the teams I support win enough scrum penalties to be in major finals and knockout games but they're not more rewarding to watch than a try or drop goal. Scrum penalties actively discourage the game being played and aren't a good advert to new fans. But yea, I don't see anything changing around them anytime soon.

[@stephenprior61]

Red cards ruin games - especially if in the beginning of the game -really as a fan how can you say otherwise

[@stanvanrensburg6620]

couldnt agree more! SA fan here and the red in the final against ABs was ridiculous!

[@charliebannon5489]

Yes, ban the Dupont law

[@gkmarais]

Cool. SA can play 3 ball carrying loose forwards in the front row. Engage early to give away a free kick.

[@garysmith5025]

The obvious problem with that is the front row players have to be declared as having sufficient training to play in those positions. Even if team management took that risk, persistent early engagement would result in penalties and then yellow cards. Apart from those issues you've found a fantastic loophole

[@RalphBrooker-gn9iv]

Genetically modify forwards so that they have six legs. One player insect rucks.

[@user-sd3hb6ru1w]

Talk about differing views on the same subject. Personally I can’t stand the Jackal. I feel many a promising attack is penalised when a player gets his hands on the ball, not to rip it away, but prevent release and gain a penalty. I also feel that being in that position is an injury risk to the defender. I’m not sure we will ever get back to subs being limited, but I believe props are now so big they can’t last a full game, and they aren’t being used to push forward anymore, rather to create a collapse in the hope the ref sides with the bigger more powerful scrum, which is usually the case. Many disagree with me. I’ve no problem with rolling mauls and see no need to change that, many disagree. I don’t think we should encourage crooked throws, few are straight anyway, but you yourself Alfie are in favour with this new proposal. We all love the game but we all can’t agree. At the end of the day we have tweaked rules so much the game doesn’t feel like it bears any relation to what it was. We are in danger of making it t all about the referee, if it isn’t already? (And we all know it is.)

[@quickissme]

Rugby taking more backwards steps to improve the game.

[@divotdigger247]

Why not just go ahead and change the laws so that SA are not allowed to win under any circumstances

[@user-rn9co7jc4t]

World Rugby: The Boks won again World Rugby: Change the Rules

[@chrisr5499]

The AB's have won 3 world cups and scored 8 trys in total...South Africa have won the world cup 4 times and only scored 2 tries and that was the Japan final in 2019...remember Rugby is about running with the ball and not kicking it out....I think South Africa should leave Rugby Union and join Aussie Rules...plus you can not sell out crowds in your own country.

[@user-rn9co7jc4t]

@@chrisr5499 ok stats guy How many runs did Australia score to win the cricket World Cup? How many goals did Argentina score in the World Cup in Qatar? NOBODY CARES!!!!! No one cares!!!! It’s about winning the World Cup . The most goals, most runs, most tries don’t win get the trophy in the end, it’s about winning the game And Rich for you to defend the All blacks who won their home World Cup with a score line of (8-7) “very entertaining” that was. Don’t you worry about our crowds, worry about the declining attendance in Super Rugby Pacific and the near bankrupt clubs in England cause they seem to have everything in order

[@TaydoS]

​@@chrisr5499 ABs have also lost 2 WC finals against the Boks with their attacking rugby. Should've had 5 titles if their attack was better in those finals. By the way: 2 of those AB WC wins were at home in NZ.

[@chrisr5499]

@@user-rn9co7jc4tI thought Rugby ws about running with the ball not kicking it away....leave that to AFL and Soccer.

[@chrisr5499]

@@TaydoSI like it when the Boks play open Rugby and so much talent in the backs but hardly used just look at Cheslin Kolbe in 2019 final as hardly touched the ball until the last 10 minutes and in which he got a great try.

[@simonwatkins8754]

Limit subs to 5. 3 forwards and 2 backs. Bigger men will then get tired more quickly and will leave a lot more space on the pitch in the last quarter. Wording of line out proposal is very unclear. Can hooker throw it straight to scrum half🏉😀😀

[@eduardvictor711]

It seems you agree with all the changes it's all against South Africa so baai

[@marcdaniels9079]

You just knew this would get the Saffas all hot under the collar 😅😅😅 Comments section hilarious

[@Wolf-hh4rv]

World Rugby has an obsession with rugby league. NONE of these changes add anything to the game. All of this aimed at the Springboks . We love rugby, we love scrums , we love rolling mauls……

[@chrisr5499]

Rugby Union looks nothing like the Wigan of old or the NRL....No one watched Rugby in South Africa for it large population...its only the world cup the Saffa's get behind it but watch Currie Cup games and no one are in the massive stadiums.

[@fritzboonzaaier5192]

I believe cards ruin games. Rugby is 15v15. Players can still receive the cards,but dont send them off,unless red,then you substitute them. After the game the referees can watch the game and decide on player bans for wrong behaviour. Cards go with penalties,and could be 3pts everytime,or possible lineout maul tries. Espesially if a forward was sent off. Keep it 15v15 at all times. Just my thoughts

[@chrismia2402]

Ridiculous all the tinkering. 20min red cards are an invite to more Kiwi thug play. Just stupid.

[@murrayjohn8608]

Great content agian: Stop fiddling with the Scrum. More use of the shot clock is just going to add more confusion. Mark a restart is idiotic, the ball is just going to get kicked back to the other 22. Maul law is fine as it is. Scrum-half rule is fine. Dupont law ffs, let's quickly go back to the old get behind, or be put onside by the kicker rule. 20-minute red card is bollocks. Role of TMO ... too involved, there's a need for common sense on 50-50 calls that are rugby incidents, One example is the "no arms tackle in open play", where the player is already tackling below the knee and the attacker is dipping into top of the defender's shoulder and its impossible to wrap. There are 50 of these tackles on the try line every game, but in open play these 50-50 below the knee tackles are called by the TMO, not the refereee or assistants and result in penalties that decide games, or result in penalty kicks into the 22 that 25% of the time result in maul based tries.

[@Jackson_Anderson]

been watching rugby all my life. hands-down, the best sport in the world. if they remove the jackal...i'm out. for. good. this will not be "rugby" anymore. if this goes through, the emasculation / woke-a-fication of rugby would've won...but lost a lifelong supporter. the'fck outta here with those dumb fking law changes! 😒

[@luvuyompapa9366]

This is for my Springboks ....however Doctor Rassie is ahead of the game.we own this rugby game. FACT!!!! You all will be crying bloody in 2027.

[@neilmacewan8706]

Red cards ruin games!

[@straights]

RED CARDS RUIN Games, That's fact. Everyone blamed the draw being on too early when the 5 best teams in the competition were drawn in pools 1 + 2 for the world cup. What they fail to remember is that Wales were ranked 4th. Not because of their skill, but because in 2021 both Ireland and Scotland received Red Cards early in their games against Wales and lost narrowly but still lost. Both Scotland and Ireland were far better teams than Wales in 2021 but were made to pay by a newly introduced tackle height that saw 1 in every 3 games seeing a red card. Wales themselves lost a World cup semi final in 2011 because Alain Rolland issued a red card (unfairly) to Sam Warburton in a tackle that would not even see yellow in todays game. There are countless great games and great victories that were never to be on account of a red card being as costly as losing an arm. Blame the player, not the team. Sanction them for 3 months 4 months a year whatever you need to do but don't decide the fate of the match on one players slip up. 20 minutes needs to be introduced. A red card in the first half of the game is an automatic loss and if not, well then they could have won by a landslide anyway. 10 years ago the commentators would always say that if you only conceded 7-10 points during a yellow card then you did well during this sin bin period. They certainly don't say that now but go back and watch any old game from 10+ years ago and listen to the commentary when a team gets a yellow card.

[@richardworley7798]

I agree players should get longer bans for reds, if the powers that be really want change in tackle height, it should be more than 3-4 games.