8 Points of Progressive Christianity

Alisa Childers gives us a brief summary on the 8 points of progressive Christianity.
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[@bellavotti]

Wow, that’s SO GOOD! I learned a lot through your teachings, Alisa! God bless you and thank you for what you’re doing!🙏🏻

[@davidcwilson1395]

Ahhhh

[@logicalcomrade7606]

She creates strawman to attack. How about you actually talk to a real progressive Christian!

[@steelshade]

Matt. 7 : 21-23 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ So many are just making stuff up and sticking on the vocabulary and names of scripture, even the Lord's name. Lord, have mercy on us all not to be deceived and come to Your truth.

[@moosechuckle]

After watching my old church of 12 years start down this path, I’ve really been on a deep dive to learn more about progressive Christianity and this new age thinking. Not for my own benefit, but to be able to speak against it. This is a great breakdown but it also breaks my heart to hear.

[@robertdouglas8895]

Anyone who analyzes people thinking differently about Christianity and can come up with almost nothing good about them has a blind side.

[@tiredoftheworld4834]

@@robertdouglas8895 1. I believe SOME new Agers have good intentions 2. Sadly they are deceived I’ve talked to occultists 1. I like that they actually listen most of the time, although they don’t like me lol. But when I talk to atheists, they usually mock and don’t try to understand Atheists 1. I like the nice ones that care to find a middle ground 2. Pride is a major downfall, and same with some new Agers which makes it hard to talk to them. We aren’t blind. We just want to bring people into the light of Christ. That’s all

[@tiredoftheworld4834]

@@robertdouglas8895 when it comes to progressive “Christians”. I have had ONLY bad experiences, so I will speak on that. They don’t read the Bible, or they take a verse that they think supports some liberal agenda, then then run with that. Others are chiller, but deceived so much that they really shouldn’t be! I even had to argue with one about why it’s bad to cuss people out and use vile words 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@robertdouglas8895]

@@tiredoftheworld4834 If you are tired of the world, you haven't seen what is real. With different eyes, you see the light in everyone, not as separate bodies, some, always self included, better than others. But we are one Spirit. John 17:20-21 New King James Version Jesus Prays for All Believers 20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who [a]will believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. You'll see the note here, ,"Jesus prays for all believers." Many Christians see themselves as the special ones here, all others excluded except the ones that convert in one lifetime. If they would, as Jesus says, leave the 99 behind and go after the one, that would make them better than the god they think sends people to hell if they don't make the grade before their bodies die. We are not bodies. John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. When you accept all of the Bible as true, you must think God created these bodies that die or that they condemned us to death since we are guilty. That comes from peoples' own guilt.Jesus said what the world looks like as Spirit when you forgive: we are all still as God created us and don't have the power to change that. Matthew 12:7, NIV: If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent. Sacrifice confirms we are evil.

[@tiredoftheworld4834]

@@robertdouglas8895 sacrifice doesn’t confirm we are evil. Look at the condition of the world and it’s obvious. Even secular people say they like animals more than humans.

[@RandyBarnett-fm2kz]

This saddens me as a born-again Christian. Deception is the work of the evil one, and progressive "christianty" is his masterpiece. The Bible calls this apostasy. My prayer is that those who are blinded by this false religion will hear the Truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and receive Him as Lord and Savior.

[@PjotrII]

I do understand that someone wants to sell books, and get up on a stage an get a small salary - fine, but what I do not understand (while I know it exists) is that when someone calling themselves a Christian, lies and twists data - to sell books. Here are my own experience as a liberal Christian. 1) By following the teachings of Jesus can lead to an experience of the sacred - yeah, it could. Oneness and unity of all life? What... what do you even mean? then Alisa continues it´s borrowed from eastern thoughts and new age... aaahhh, sry I don´t have anything to do with that! Nor ANY of the liberal Christians I personally know. Same with "pantheism", that has nothing to do with liberal Christianity... please stop making up things. 2) Is a bit tricky text... and should be detailed so that one can answer it. Going strictly for what it says, one could claim that if someone would have an experience of sacredness beside Jesus teachings, could also mean one that get it from the songs of David, or from a text of Job or Isaiah. Is that wrong? Or if someone read a spiritual book about their life journey, and one get a sacred feeling out of it... yeah sure that could happen. But are all sacred experiences true? NO! And I do believe that Jesus is the only way to God! 3) Seek community that is all inclusive - an ABSOLUTE YES! Reminds me of the people Jesus had in his community. They were called sinners by the religious elite who didn´t like that Jesus ate and spent time with them. But Jesus said, it is the ill persons who need a doctor! But if I interpret this as she says, it sounds like this is really bad.... just as the elite tried to frame it in Jesus time. 4) What we do... she nearly agrees with us progressives, what we believe is reflected in how we behave towards each other. But then she tries to add that actions are more important than belief. Personally i can say that belief is more important. 5) Is again a tricky written question... (I would not use the term grace - but then again I am not English speaking!)... let me rephrase it - asking questions is important, and especially if one wants to know more about a thing. I even think conservatives believe that! "More value in questioning than absolute" is a truth with a twist. If we can conclude an absolute answer that is much more important than asking questions, but I believe that to be able to find that or come close, one HAS TO ASK QUESTIONS. If the question is - are there other planets in our solar system, the answer YES is 1000 times better than asking again, because we have found an answer. In religion, there are however MANY complicated things, where some people try to project that we have an absolute answer when we do not have it... in those cases it is important to continue questioning. 6) Yes we strive for peace and justice - don´t you? 7) Funny Alisa agrees with most progressive goals at first, but then needs to find some interpretation that differ. then again the "panantheism" no we don´t believe in that... and while we strive for environmental goals, that is NOT A GOSPEL, and has never been. The idea is that God has given us the ea preserve and protect it.rth to care for, both animals and the planet. and we as God´s people need to do our best to preserve it. - I am sorry if this is some evil sin we have. 8) Thx Alisa for also agreeing with nr 8... learning, compassion and selfless love... those are though goals, but we should strive there. And Alisa - I (we) do rejoice IN THE TRUTH! Jesus is God!

[@sweetxjc]

Thank you for this! I used to be a progressive Christian but I continued to seek the Lord and he showed me it was false gospel that I was believing. I thank him everyday because I was living in sin and wasn’t truly saved and didn’t even realize it. “I love those who love me, and those who seek me find me.” ‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭8:17‬ ‭NIV‬‬

[@frank-c5]

Exactly - Progressive Christianity is heretical.

[@livewireartistry]

Christ came to save us from sin and death not hell

[@ABC-1234-]

@@livewireartistry Good one! I needed a laugh this morning! 😂

[@livewireartistry]

@@ABC-1234- Study your Bible Brother. Read it contextually 💓

[@ThebestestbuddyThebestestbuddy]

@@livewireartistry sin leads us to hell so technically you could say Christ saved us from hell

[@Charbizard1]

Thanks. This confirmed I'm a progressive Christian. I respect where you stand however.

[@lightandtruth25]

But why use the name of Jesus Christ for your new religion? Is it out of nostalgia for a Christian childhood or something like that? Or do you have some obsession with Christian culture?

[@SillyChickens222]

Amen! I had a “Christian” tell me that God’s commandments are actually just “suggestions.” These are the false prophets and teachers we are warned about in the Bible who will tell you what you want to hear rather than the truth of God’s Word. Just another way our enemy is using his deceptive lies to lead people astray from God’s truth.

[@whazzuphere]

People with "itching ears".

[@madeinusa5395]

lol the "10 Suggestions"

[@frankstanley8499]

So what commands do you pick and choose? Do you eat pig? Where wool and cotton? Worship on Sunday? Those are all sins. Not to mention that fact that there is a graven image in every church here. Don't act like your better because you only belive in the blood parts. Ya gotta do all or none of it.

[@frankstanley8499]

@@madeinusa5395 there are 613 of them actually.

[@davidlafleche1142]

@@frankstanley8499 Actually, the commandment says, "Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woolen and linen together" (Deuteronomy 22:11). First of all, it would be nearly impossible to make such a garment: linen is very fine and smooth, while wool is too thick and coarse. It would be like weaving shoelaces with barbed wire. Secondly, even if you could make such a garment, it would be impossible to maintain it. Linen must be washed in water, but wool must be dry-cleaned. Regardless of how you try it, wool would shrink every time it is cleaned, so the garment would be ruined and unusable before long.

[@lesterchupp7889]

I came across a Facebook post titled THE OTHER SERENITY PRAYER. They used only the first paragraph. It read "God grant me the serenity to stop beating myself for not doing things perfectly, the courage to forgive myself because I'm working on doing better, and the wisdom to know that you already love just the way I am." ---------- The first paragraph of the actual Serenity Prayer goes "God grant the me serenity to accept the things I cannot change. The courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. The first one should be titled "The Egotistic Serenity Prayer."

[@roman_kofyno]

Only point of progressive Christianity is that, it´s HUGE OXYMORON.

[@lindajohnson4204]

Progressive means a belief in man progressing toward greater things; they believe in human perfectibility. They believe that if all who agree join together, "we can do it!' Progressivism doesn't acknowledge the God who is real, and who has revealed Himself to those who are willing to believe in Him. Jesus said God has has hidden His truth from the _wise_ and _prudent _ and has revealed His truth to the "babes". The progressives, alone, aren't too wise in their own eyes to believe; there are plenty of conservatives in the same boat. That's just one reason we need to quit dragging God down to the level of the politicians, Left or Right. The most important is that God is Holy, and mankind is not, including all politicians and their political philosophies. All are sinful, loaded with pragmatism, which denies the importance of the holiness and truth of God.

[@jennyknapp3332]

It sounds more like the adoration of self and seeking to be on the same level as God.

[@philliphessel6788]

Alisa Childers, you should know what master you serve when you tell lies. Why can you not advocate for your view without doing that?

[@alceratops6853]

You either believe or you don't. Change is good, but ruining core values is not.

[@cateclism316]

So many of the women teachers are progressives. It's encouraging to see women like Alisa stand for the orthodox (small "o"!) Christian faith.

[@tiredoftheworld4834]

Yeah it’s kinda weird. And I feel like many churches are getting into the “social gospel” and leaving out the saving fact.

[@frankstanley8499]

Well she's a woman and not supposed to be preaching at all so that in itself is progressive.

[@Bibleguy89-uu3nr]

@@tiredoftheworld4834 It's a big problem, mainly because there is no social gospel, there is only one gospel. We do good works AS believers, not to become believers. Anything attached to "faith alone in Christ" in terms of obtaining salvation needs to be removed.

[@dmmusicmusic]

Doesn't hurt to "qualify the word orthpodox wit the word "historical" as in" historical, orthodox Christian faith. Or the word Biblical works also- just so people do not think you are nodding to easternor Russian orthodox etc.,

[@EBM1966]

Not all women preachers/teachers are progressive….and God uses both men and WOMEN to preach, teach…it’s about souls getting saved!

[@leslieannvanhumbeck9444]

A progressive priest tried to convince me there's no Hell because God is too loving. I've changed that belief. Jesus said it so I believe 🙏 it.

[@benc6537]

Jesus spoke of fire, Gehenna and Hades. Translations of expressions like eternal punishment and torment are dubious.

[@jennyknapp3332]

Just get your answers from Gods word….always!! Too many leading people astray. You have to read the Bible. Blessings! ❤️

[@IvanTorre]

If Jesus Christ is NOT the basis of your doctrine and the center of your teachings, and more importantly, if Jesus Christ is not the ONLY WAY, thus your religion can NOT be named CHRISTIANITY

[@cap6074]

I think its only Evangelicals that believe her. They seem to need this kind of literalist perspective. I think it makes them feel like they have a leg up on everyone else. Plus she has a bad habit of misrepresenting them.

[@leef_me8112]

You "think"? Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. progressive Christians don't believe that.

[@Mark-dq6lr]

Just as it was in the beginning with Eve .The enemy having mankind questioning the truth of God by enticing her to ask ... “Did God really say ..?” But the Holy Spirit says to those with ears to hear ......”The enemy was a lier from the beginning, he is the father of lies .....but the Lord is the way the TRUTH and the life.”

[@fnjesusfreak]

The Devil uses the same trick over and over because it keeps working.

[@jdb4288]

Hi Alisa Childers, I am a progressive Christian. For point five, you said "you don't ask questions because you want to know answers." I can tell you, though, that progressive Christians such as myself are interested in knowing answers. I started studying philosophy and theology because I wanted to understand the different answers that people give to my questions and try to find out which one is true, if that is possible.

[@jennyknapp3332]

Christians should be getting their answers from the Bible, not mortal men, philosophers and ideologues. I pray you ask The Holy Spirit for guidance! 🙏🏻❤️

[@vialarmsecurityandfire8145]

Keep asking questions jb. God doesn't want intellectually lazy people. That is why he gave us the freedom to choose. He wants us to come to him of our own free will. Most of this is just bunk.

[@EleventhHour78]

@@jennyknapp3332 that is a strange philosophy. The Bible is not a book of answers. That is reductionist. It doesn't explain why gravity works or why there is a universe or why we humans have lungs and live on land instead of having gills and living in the water (most of the surface of our planet is covered by water after all). The Bible is the living Word. A record of the way people experienced the One True God.

[@EleventhHour78]

The Bible is about God and not about people. Turning the Bible into an instruction manual is antithetical to faith and trust. We see in a mirror dimly... and that is the intention of our current experience with God. One day we will be able to see Him clearly, but today is not that day.

[@magnificenthonky]

​@@EleventhHour78Why gravity is a thing, or why we are land creatures; the answers to such questions are not necessary for our Salvation. If those answers were important, they'd certainly be found in The Bible. Answers to important questions, such as "Are we condemned, and if so, why?" or "How should we behave, how should we relate to our families, and treat others?" or "What is the path to Eternal Salvation?"- those ARE found in The Bible.

[@AngieLyke]

Wow Allysa you really hit nerves. So many progressives her commenting and lashing out. Teaching us exactly how to pray for them. What's your describing is universalism. They say the Christian name. But it's really just basically the teaching of the universal universalist Church it sounds like.

[@elainejohnson2836]

I'm having to pick my jaw up from the floor. I've heard of progressive Christianity, but had no idea this is what they believe. Thank you so much for this video. I really learned a lot!

[@logicalcomrade7606]

This is NOT what they believe! This woman creates strawmen to keep you in evangelical churches so that she and her friends can keep making money off of you!

[@abundantharmony]

@@logicalcomrade7606 These people gave up the money to follow Christ. Maybe you should keep listening.

[@karaokeandrandomclips]

@@logicalcomrade7606 The points are from the Progressive Christian website...

[@leoraannkittleson3034]

For the time will come when they will not tolerate sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance with their own desires, and they will turn their ears away from the truth and will turn aside to myths. 2 Timothy 4:3-4

[@jennyknapp3332]

If ever there was a time that shouts this truth, it’s now!!

[@fredkison6400]

Thank you for your faithfulness and courage to stand firm on things many called and ordained Pastors are not addressing. Beliefs matter, core values matter, both in life and in the church!

[@ramontorres7028]

This all kind of reminds me of Elijah and prophets of Baal. Can you imagine a bunch of Progressive Christians and Biblical Christians coming together with the Progressives laying down the gauntlet to prove who is right? No doubt I can see fire coming down from heaven, consuming their altar.

[@kingcurmudgeon8685]

Literally every point they make is in no way based on scripture. It’s reinterpretation and false doctrine

[@vorzel_]

We live for the almighty, he does not live for us. For we do not deserve to be forgiven but the father through his divine grace sent us his only begotten son to save us from our sins! Praise the Lord of Lords and the King of Kings for he is God! ❤❤❤❤

[@marcushardwick4616]

You are entitled to your opinions, iam a progressive Christian!

[@MaryMay-n3z]

8:38 Theres different rewards in heaven sure, i would just argue that wealth doesnt exist in the system down here without dominating, hurting and exploiting people.

[@l.a.w.79]

When I was in grad school (many moons ago), I had to solidify a biblical worldview which meant studying the difference in these philosophical views. They can sound very Christian on the surface, but we have to read the Bible and understand how vastly different these views are. These views are seeping into churches and well meaning people.

[@johnweber4577]

Based upon the thumbnail, am I supposed to assume that true Christianity is against democracy and human rights? Lol

[@rml7478]

Thank you! This video was affirming in a lot of ways and helped to shed light on many of the twisted words/phrases and Biblical terms they are trying to redefine. Praise the Lord for His true Word and for those pursuing and clinging to Scripture!

[@wbl5649]

sounds like Universal Unitarian

[@T-bone1223]

We need to stop calling this Christianity. It's got nothing to do with Christ

[@raymondomobhude8896]

Prov. 21:16, “The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding, shall remain in the congregation of the dead”. I wish you would remove Christ from this your religion, anything ‘….tianity‘ will do. For “what concord hath Christ with Belial ?”. Take note, if Christ is not the way, you have no way.

[@Theonly_Onyx]

Amen ❤

[@ryusan717]

This pastor is should not be teaching to men or leading a church its fully stated clearly in the bible ! N

[@laurieanne777]

The Great Falling Away is here

[@robertdouglas8895]

We communicate with shared ideas and exclude with differences.

[@jdoe7674]

What if the great falling away was the schism between East and west or the Protestant reformation

[@denisoninvestments]

The great falling away has been here for a long time

[@dr.frankw.r.benoit]

Really good summary and spot on biblical answers. Thanks for your hard work and may God bless and keep you, your family and your ministry!

[@melaniecyr2772]

This was good!! The one that hits it in a nutshell is they value questioning over absolutes.

[@moiraanderson1557]

Thank you for explaining so clearly what progressive Christians believe. I understand better now. Thank you for your ministry.

[@loveandmercy9664]

As someone who probably fits under her label she missed the emphasis on Mercy, Restorative Justice, Ecumenicism, Incultruration, the words and actions of Gandhi, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Henry Nouwen, MlK jr's letter from birmingham jail, Jesus's Sernon on the Mount, the Greatest Commandment, as well as Comtemplative Prayer practices like Lecito Divina. song of ascents. Of David. 1 How good and pleasant it is when God’s people live together in unity! 2 It is like precious oil poured on the head, running down on the beard, running down on Aaron’s beard, down on the collar of his robe. 3 It is as if the dew of Hermon were falling on Mount Zion. For there the Lord bestows his blessing, even life forevermore. Psalm 133 The lord's prayer First Nations version: O great spirit, our father from above, we honour your name as sacred and Holy. Bring your good road to us, where the beauty of your ways in the spirit world above is reflected below. provide for us day by day- the elk, the buffalo, and the salmon. The corn, the squash, and the wild rice. All the things we need for each for each day. Release us from the things we have done wrong, in the same way we release others for the things done wrong to us.

[@friedrichrubinstein]

@@loveandmercy9664 Thanks for showing why progressive "Christianity" is not biblical.

[@davidlafleche1142]

@@loveandmercy9664 I can't be united with anybody who refuses to put the Bible as the ONLY rule of Christian faith.

[@loveandmercy9664]

@@davidlafleche1142 Where does the it say the Bible is the ONLY rule of faith in the Bible?

[@hmoran3110]

@@davidlafleche1142 I think Progressives believe that the only rule of Christian faith is Jesus's example and teachings of God's way. That's different.

[@JacobStein1960]

Progressive Christianity is a syncretism between the old religion, Christianity, and the new religion, atheism. Often when a society moves from one religion to another there is an intermediary period where the two religions are combined, for example there were Scandinavians a thousand years ago who worshipped Jesus and Thor before moving entirely to the new religion, Christianity.

[@margrose5]

It’s happening more and more in once traditional churches. Such evil times.

[@SheilaSingleton-m1f]

It isn’t evil. It’s removing the evangelical hate and exclusion from Faith. The Bible was given from God but it isn’t all God is. Her speech reeks of evil, justifying excluding those not like her. As usual, epitomizing the burning desire conservatives have to control and dominate people who believe differently.

[@Joe-pu3qi]

Wow! IM A PROGRESSIVE CHRISTIAN AND DIDNT EVEN KNOW IT!! I THOUGHT I WAS JUST, BEING OPENMINDED

[@Theonly_Onyx]

Why on earth would you need to be open minded? Jesus is the only way 🙏

[@built4speed101]

Progressive Christianity just changed their title from Postmodernism, which is still a Christian Heretical world and life view.

[@jamesSmith-fl5wv]

There is no such thing as progressive Christianity! You either do what God says from the Bible or youre sinning.

[@Theonly_Onyx]

Amen ❤

[@ManahManah77]

For somebody who claims the people that she is criticizing make a lot of assumptions and assertions, she sure makes a lot of assumptions and assertions. Saying that everybody deserves death is one of the most hateful and arrogant things that people like her say. It’s the same type of thing and abuser tells its victim in order to keep it feeling worthless, and the church has been doing this for centuries. My response to that vitriol is always “well? You first.” It is not an assumption to claim that all life is connected. We have many different ways to show this, but if you cover your eyes and plug your ears and sing la la la when presented with it then you are a fool, plain and simple. It’s not hard to understand why church populations are on the decrease, but of course they will continue to blame it on a snake and some fruit. That’s another tactic of an abuser, that when the victim finally breaks away they still try to put the blame on them.

[@DawnOtto1]

Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. Jesus saved us from death. He took our place on the cross. I believe that’s why she said that. If you know Jesus, you are definitely thankful for what He did. Philippians 2:6-11

[@ManahManah77]

@@DawnOtto1 You "know" nothing but what you have read in a book written by humans. We did nothing, there was no garden, we have disproven that. If you choose to ignore this, never ever go to a doctor again because modern medicine is based on biology which is true because everything we know about evolution is true. Telling people that they are "born broken" over something that 1) never happened and 2) even if it did they didn't do it so why should they pay for it? is abusive and arrogant because you assume superiority over those who disagree with you. Try responding with something other than quoting irrelevant texts.

[@DawnOtto1]

@@ManahManah77 I choose not to hear you berate the God of creation. May he gently nudge you and speak His Word of truth in your ear, and may you heed to His Wisdom. He knows you better than anyone in this planet, including yourself. Have a nice day.

[@DawnOtto1]

@@ManahManah77 P.S. you wont be able to deny Him.

[@ManahManah77]

@@DawnOtto1 What a smug and predictable response. You sound like a pouting child. Again, please, never go to a doctor again. At least that way you'll not be a hypocrite by denying science while using it to better and prolong your own life. Get off of the internet while you are at it. Also, disconnect your electricity, your water, everything that science and technology have given you. You choose to plug your ears, is what you choose to do. "You won't be able to deny Him" is a demonstration of your own darkness and sullen hatred of mankind, as you condemn anyone who doesn't believe exactly as you do. I believe there was a historical Jesus who walked this earth and that the things attributed to him were probably said. The message of forgiveness and recognition that we are all the flawed is not anything divinely inspired, though, it is simply called humility. Morality is a natural part of our evolution as human beings. We are not the only living things on this planet to have emotions such as sadness and empathy, and as social creatures it was beneficial for us to not kill, steal from, and otherwise be destructive towards each other. Children have this empathy naturally, and it's only when they witness or are subjected to cruel things like you an this woman preach, and you are a horrible human being if you think a child would go to hell if they are not "saved". I mean, that's on the level of psychopathy. I suppose I've wasted my time here as you are going to just plug your ears and offer no original thought as response, so I'll just hope you don't harm anyone with your actions that are motivated by such arrogance.

[@jmartinfaulkner]

Alisa, in the initial soundbite you chose your first sentence is complete garbage. Perhaps it applies to Universal Unitarianism, but not in any progressive church I have ever encountered. I'll listen to the rest later today, but honestly, when you start your argument with a false statement it undercuts everything that follows. This next sentences are not bragging but simply stating my background and the foundation of my faith. I have read the Bible cover to cover over ten times and the Sermon on the Mount and James each thousands of times. My major was chemistry but my foreign language was Koine Greek working from the Nestle-Aland text. After recognizing that modern American evangelicalism completely ignores the Sermon on the Mount and the the importance of actual discipleship to act and love as Jesus did, I found myself at a crossroads where my faith was firm but was undercut by what was commonly preached from the pulpit. When I first went to a progressive church at the request of a friend I did not expect to go back because I believe the Bible, however, what I found was closer to the Book of Acts than anything I had ever encountered in a mainstream denomination or independent church. The board specifically was made up of believers and NOT the wealthiest members of the church. Volunteerism was expected at a point where if you showed up for more than a month one of the pastors would ask you to help in some capacity without asking for you to support the church through tithing. Alisa, have you ever been to a church like that because I doubt you have. They simply do not exist in mainline denominations. It also fails in any way to align with your first sentence and as such I believe you are confusing progressive Christianity with something entirely different and based purely on your own anecdotal experience. I do hope you will respond but I recognize that is unlikely. I do not know what kind of Christian you are and have no desire to judge or label you, much less, become your enemy. Pax.

[@SunIsLost]

yep

[@karricompton]

You and Mike Winger (he just gave a message about this) are right on target on this subject. 💯

[@hobobobmarlyguy]

This sounds pretty cool! Thank you for introducing me to progressive Christianity. I want to try to become involved in one of these churches.

[@lightandtruth25]

But why use the name of Jesus Christ for your new religion? Is it out of nostalgia for a Christian childhood or something like that? Or do you have some kind of obsession with Christian culture? Please, I just want to understand

[@PurrfectGameplay]

For real 😅

[@thelaurameyer]

Thank you for all that you do! I’ve learned so much of what to look for. Just the other day I watched a Holy Post podcast video with Jen Hatmaker, just to see what would be said. One thing that struck me was this sense of striving and “look at me, I have it all figured out now”-but it just made me feel kinda empty and anxious. But what really stood out to me was that one of the hosts asked her what she missed most from traditional/historic Christianity and she said “the certainty”, which you have clued me in on-that progressives almost worship uncertainty-but it made me sad bc it was like almost in that moment she thought “maybe I’m wrong, maybe I should turn back from this” but then she dismissed it and embraced the uncertainty again. It just really struck me, and then I find this video about the uncertainty thing. It’s all very interesting.

[@kayojen8827]

We are not made with the capacity to understand the infinite. How can we be certain of our understanding of God? The words in the bible? No. they are guides but do not offer certainty. Life is a mystery. Our relationship with God is a mystery. Jesus tells us how to live. If you need certainty you are missing the point and only seeking ... comfort.

[@barryw.gaugler3442]

The Holy Spirit will lead you in

[@barryw.gaugler3442]

ALL TRUTH!

[@lizwilson51]

Progressive Christianity sounds scary and a little like listening to the devil question everything God says all day long and affirming it.

[@theadirondackkids4734]

When explaining panentheism and God fitting into the things created (like a hand fitting into a glove or seeing the divine in someone,). can you clarify how that is different from the Christian being indwelt by God the Holy Spirit? And God making His home in His people?

[@alisachilders]

The difference is that the Holy Spirit doesn’t indwell a person before they are saved… that happens at conversion.

[@lindajohnson4204]

I attended a church a few years ago. For the most part, it seemed like a pretty good church. There were some problems, and also, because it was another race, I picked up that they probably didn't really want me there. But a lot seemed really sound and I enjoyed going there while I did. One thing bothered me when the kids led the music. They were highschool and college students, and they gathered on stage, with some musicians, a guitarist or maybe two, a piano player, a drummer, and sometimes a saxophonist. The singers had tambourines if the songs were appropriate for them. For the most part,the songs were okay, although I'd have preferred more older hymns and spirituals. But they had one that worried me: "The Jesus in me greets the Jesus in you". I wasn't sure that they did not mean it as born again Christians, talking about Jesus being in us, through the indwelling Holy Spirit, or whether it was just trying to syncretize the extremely popular "Namaste" of yoga practitioners and popular Buddhism., as if it was the same as the Holy Spirit indwelling us, when it isn't. It was possible to think about it both ways, but I was a visitor there. Had I tried to delve more into what they meant by that, I would have been seen as ungrateful, and perhaps wanting to think the worst. That wasn't true; I was just worried about it. Maybe I should have been more willing to be hated, but I kept my mouth shut, and never even mentioned it to the lady whose guest I was. I haven't talked to her since the pandemic, but to be fair, my phone broke and I got a new one, and her number was in the old phone.

[@loveandmercy9664]

As someone who probably fits under her label she missed the emphasis on Mercy, Restorative Justice, Ecumenicism, Incultruration, the words and actions of Gandhi, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Henry Nouwen, MlK jr's letter from a birmingham jail, Jesus's Sernon on the Mount, the Greatest Commandment, as well as Comtemplative Prayer practices like Lecito Divina. song of ascents. Of David. 1 How good and pleasant it is when God’s people live together in unity! 2 It is like precious oil poured on the head, running down on the beard, running down on Aaron’s beard, down on the collar of his robe. 3 It is as if the dew of Hermon were falling on Mount Zion. For there the Lord bestows his blessing, even life forevermore. Psalm 133 A Rabbi showed me that verse on a ecumenical retreat. The lord's prayer First Nations version: O great spirit, our father from above, we honour your name as sacred and Holy. Bring your good road to us, where the beauty of your ways in the spirit world above is reflected below. provide for us day by day- the elk, the buffalo, and the salmon. The corn, the squash, and the wild rice. All the things we need for each for each day. Release us from the things we have done wrong, in the same way we release others for the things done wrong to us.

[@lorrainehuff2703]

@@loveandmercy9664 I don't think Alisa's denying that sometimes those who don't profess Christianity can show love, kindness and wisdom (sometimes more so than many Christians). Other teachings may be helpful, but ultimately not if they contradict Christ's teaching that no-one can come to the Father except by him. We don't compare ourselves with others; we compare ourselves with who we were before following Christ and who we become as we allow Him to transform us.

[@sanjeevgig8918]

Roman Catholic Church: Those "progressive" Xtians are calling themselves Protestants. Circle of life. LOL

[@NLong-zk4yl]

There are many in churches today that are into progressive Christianity unknowingly also. I have come across many that are into practicing yoga and mindfulness meditations in churches. New Agers and progressive Christians are like cousins, they are big into yogas and meditations, do a lot of teachings on self love and mantras and they are influencing a lot of people around the world not only here in America. We believers need to be in vigilant. Thank You Alisa for spreading this kind of awareness and teachings. I am from India, and it breaks my heart to see how Hinduism and other Eastern religion has impacted and misled many Christians here. I am still learning about this new age religion and i see they are just a modernized Hinduism that is being formed to fit the western culture and thus lured many into this religion. I try my best to speak up against these kinds of practices/religion and make awareness of it whenever I get opportunities. God bless your ministry!

[@blackinpublic4193]

I condemn them and wish destruction upon them in the mighty name of JESUS

[@sudhindra]

Why don't you do yoga in the name of Jesus?

[@annmcrath536]

Really good. I'm a missionary in the Philippines and honestly I had no idea that this has become so pervasive in the States. Very grievous indeed. Thank you for making this very clear.

[@logicalcomrade7606]

You "didn't know" because none of this is true. This woman has no idea what actual progressive Christians believe.

[@SeanWinters]

To calm your spirit, remember that only megachurches and wannabe megachurches are like this. Very few small churches are like this.

[@lizwilson51]

After 8 years abroad, I moved back to the US with my family. It is HARD to find a church that preaches the Bible and not a false gospel these days! So many churches (even in the Bible belt where we live) teach social justice gospel, prosperity gospel, etc. Their church websites speak more about inclusion and affirmation of LGBTQ, CRT, global warming, etc. than Jesus. It grieves me deeply to see the churches turn away! We need to speak out and teach out kids apologetics!

[@greghannibal]

@@SeanWinters I've noticed that too. Small, non-denominational churches seem to have avoided this, though I can't speak for all of them, obviously (and plenty of them have their own issues.) While some of the major protestant denominations have embraced it.

[@dave-ng4sr]

It’s not Christian. It’s new age

[@igloozoo3771]

I thought growing up that Progressive Christianity meant Salvation by Faith Alone while the Traditionalists believed in Salvation by Works so I was often times confused why Progressive Christians often times demonized Evangelical Protestants because Evangelicals were the ones who believed that Amazing Grace Salvation is given as a gift to anyone who believes and accept that Christ completed the work on the Cross. Boy I was wrong.

[@ski9392]

If they don't think Jesus Christ is the only way to be right with God the Father and to Heaven, I would argue that progressive Christians are not Christians at all.

[@leef_me8112]

Your argument is reasonable, they would just say you are not "enlightened"

[@thedude9941]

Progressive Christians can call themselves Christians, but it's really a different religion all together the Gospels make it clear Jesus, is the only way to salvation if and scripture is divinely inspired, if you don't believe so there's no reason to call yourself Christian.

[@cece8650]

Progressive "christianity" is not Christianity. It is politics mixed with works. It leaves John14:6 and John 3:16 and Ephesians 2:8-9 in the dirt. It actually removes Jesus from SALVATION and His gift of grace on the Cross. RUN from this progressive false gospel.

[@TradProtCJ]

Blasphemy and heresy

[@elmerfudd1883]

All 'religion' is man-made. It is of this earth. The Almighty God, who spoke the world and the universe into existence, gave the most precious thing he had - HIS ONLY SON - to redeem mankind. Jesus was resurrected from the dead and is alive today! Budda is dead. Mohammed is dead. They have no life to give you. John 14:6 Jesus said: I am the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE. NO man comes to the Father but by ME!

[@barryw.gaugler3442]

At the Judgment Day, the Progressive (the wicked) will be no more. Job 14:20-22. (paraphrase)

[@zin6338]

This is not Christianity

[@greyone40]

This is all very familiar to anyone who has been following Marxist thought. I started reading a book that I picked up some years ago. Christianity and Liberalism, by J. Gresham Machen. One passage: "The truth is, the God of modern preaching, though He may perhaps be very good, is rather uninteresting. Nothing is so insipid as indiscriminate good humor. Is that really love that costs so little? If God necessarily forgive, no matter what we do, why trouble ourselves about Him at all? Such a God may deliver us from the fear of hell. But his heaven, if He has any, is full of sin." This was written 100 years ago. Which also reminds me, I don't remember the word "sin" or the cross mentioned in that progressive list at all.

[@juanpagan8796]

Brilliant, Alisa! You speak with such clarity... God bless and keep you always!

[@leoraannkittleson3034]

Jesus *said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me. John 14:6

[@douglascrosby5100]

Yes of course. We know that these are the last days and the devil's on overdrive to destroy biblical Christianity and the authority of God's holy scriptures. Even here I don't hear the Bible even being quoted, though I do appreciate somebody trying to get people back to what is right and good in the eyes of the Lord. The authority is God's word The Saviour of the world is Jesus Christ. That's it. We conform to the Lord, He does not conform to our ways or are thinking or our reasoning. 1. John 4:14

[@jonathansargent9257]

This is an excellent video. I came out of a church with a couple pastors who were more progressive and am now at a church that is much more traditionally orthodox. On the subject of panentheism, I wonder what to do with verses in Colossians like 3:11 "Christ is all and is in all" or 1:17 "in him all things hold together". Maybe I'm just misreading these out of their context or something, but they seem to hint at something of Christ being throughout all things.

[@jjj0026]

Progressive Christianity isn’t that bad compared to Western American Evangelism. Evangelicals think they know it all and true knowledge should circle around them. No thanks

[@sundareshvenugopal6575]

STATUTORY WARNING : This presentation is a creation of alisa childers. Neither alisa childers nor her spirit is in this presentation.

[@melvinhunt6976]

The Bible is progressive just as Written! Whatever the Bible said was Sin is Still SIN ! Gods Word Never changes only people who want to live however they want and think that God looks the other way ! People who try to change God’s Word will be Dealt With ! They aren’t really Saved anyway ! JN 14:6 !

[@citytrees1752]

You're taking some of this too literally and misinterpreting it. When someone says, 'I see Jesus in everyone', they don't literally think that Jesus is 'in' them, inserted like a glove. It's like saying to a young man, "I see a lot of your father in you", the speaker doesn't think the guy's father is literally 'in' him. And weren't we created in God's image? So, of course, we're going to 'see Jesus in some people.' I've heard old ladies using phrases like that, it's not New Age. We're going to 'see God' in God's creation (nature), like we 'see the artist' in their art. Artists infuse their personality and character into their art. God infuses some of his character and nature into man. The bible says so but uses different words.

[@Aquines]

Progressive Christianity is like changing the rules of football example. PC we don’t like that we can’t handle the football while playing football because it’s not fair on us that like handling the football. So Progressive Christianity want to remove or change what the Bible says under the guise of good exegeses . From Dublin Ireland

[@Lorena2m]

What she meant when she said that progressive Christians don't ask questions in search of answers is that they are not looking for the truth, but rather for a version that gives them comfort, an answer that works; it doesn't matter to them whether that answer is true or not, what matters is that it makes them feel better. It's all about them, it's extremely subjective. They have no interest in anything objective. Funny enough, this way of seeing God only reinforces the atheist idea that God is an imaginary friend that man created to escape pain.

[@paulajames6149]

Some progressive churches do not use the word God to be more palateable to athiests/agnostics in the congregation.

[@jerrysolomon]

Might as well be a UU. 🤣

[@living_redefined]

We are saved by faith, not by works. It’s not about “enlightenment”, it’s about refusing to remain ignorant.

[@hexon31]

Then why put your name as Christianity even though you have so many ways to go to heaven even without Jesus Christ? Even the devil knows the Scripture and revises it to deceive people. This is not Christianity. Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John:14:6

[@Rightlydividing-wx1xb]

This simply sounds like new age but it's not Biblical Christianity, it's not Christianity at all according to God's breathed words. It's tragic that the teaching in the average congregation is shallow at best.

[@ThemisPapaioannou]

Read your Bible! Its clear that Christ has enlightened every person JOHN 1:9.

[@boldtjeff]

Check out the work of Neville Figgis for relevant apologetics against liberal theology. It stands up even after a century.

[@tootle_soup]

This makes so much sense now; what they are doing is all out there for us to see we just have to look for them and then act accordingly. Super cool thank you!

[@sundareshvenugopal6575]

The bible account is, something else altogether and totally different . As to whether it is true or false I cannot say, cause I honestly do not know. If it is true there must certainly be, if not plenty, at least some evidence of it. Upon reading some of the bible it appears to me, an exposition, as well as an example of Gods law as well as Gods grace, as the theologians claim. According to the bible, in the beginning God created the world as also the laws governing its working, its motives or causes, its ways and means or methods, and its ends. God being perfect, his creation was also perfect. Meaning both the world with everything and everyone in it, including man, as well as the laws governing the workings of the world always was, and I say always still is perfect. This perfect law btw is merely sowing and reaping which says, if you want good for yourself, be good to others, if you want evil for yourself be evil to others, if you want neither good nor evil for yourself, be neither good nor evil to others. While fortunately the law always allows for the possibility of progression or betterment but unfortunately it also allows for the possibility of retrogression or worsening. So there is no such thing as non-progressive Christianity, only progressive Christianity. But the bible says that God also created man and put the rest of the world under mans care, and God being perfect, man was perfect, but man fell into imperfection by choice cause freedom is always free to choose to be bound but never bound to choose to be free, consequently all of Gods creation which God had put under man's care also fell into imperfection. So the bible says, as an act of grace, and I would like to think only out of a feeling and out of a sense of love and kindness towards his creation than out of a feeling, and out of a sense of dissapointment, derision, disgust, contempt or condescension, God came down from heaven to bear the burden of, and to pay the price for mans imperfection so that man can experience and enjoy the fruit of his perfection. I dont believe or buy into this narrative even one bit. But I have absolutely nothing against those who do.

[@carolyncox7694]

Very interesting. I appreciate the explanation of Progressive Christianity by Alisa. Was never really informed & sure what this PC agenda was espousing.

[@life.re-defined]

I do not understand how someone could ( or would want to) identify as 'Christian' without believing JESUS is God who paid for their sin.

[@sundareshvenugopal6575]

I am not a christian but I am all for progress and science. But I know for a fact that the first step toward gaining in true knowledge especially gaining in scientific knowledge is the acknowledging and the admitting of ones own ignorance which requires the humbling of oneself, and the subsequent step involves trying, working and making an earnest, sincere and dedicated effort toward acquiring true knowledge in that area or subject of study or any other chosen area of endeavour, although the best motivation for that would be purely only as a means and as an end to serve the world and the community at large, and not as a means and as an end to profit from and to make money out of it; I suppose much like a christian would say, the first step toward gaining in virtue would be the confessing and the acknowledging and admitting of ones sin and the subsequent steps would involve repenting from, turning away from and shunning all sin and evil, and doing all one can to be virtuous.

[@FullEarthWorkshop]

Alisa! Fantastic teaching here…you have revealed what is causing the shady veil to fall over the church.

[@moontrucker8939]

I think this sounds similar to UNITY; another church that believes other ways to salvation are inclusive.

[@richardnosik6029]

Panentheism was espoused by John Harvey Kellogg at the turn of the century.

[@matthewgaulke8094]

This all just sounds like typical modern spirituality where people create God in their own image. They pick and chose what they think helps them not have cognitive dissonance between the world and God. They want the best of both worlds. As I return to reading the Bible I'm often asking what does this really mean verses me warping it to fit into what I want it to mean.

[@gheorghebirca]

Oneness and unity sounds more like diversity and inclusion. It just a comuflaged woke in the church.

[@danielbright2916]

I'd go wild if it were called 7 point progressivism with the acronym AVOCADO or something.

[@brantgentry1463]

In order for everything to exist God has to be transcendent. It's illogical to believe in pantheism or atheism. They're contradictory to reality

[@jeffreybarber4718]

Only one way to God! He is the great “I Am”. Jesus said “No one comes to the father except through me”

[@HomoEucharistica]

I mean, in all those points there is something which _Apostolic_ Christians can agree with at some level (e.g. one cornerstone of the relationship with God is admitting the fact that God is mystery, He is not a concept but a person, and therefore we cannot reach the absolute understanding of the Truth - which does not mean absolutes doesn't exist or that we have not received the correct faith that was once delivered to the saints)… but that's exactly the problem. Those points are so vague that they can mean practically anything people want them to mean, and that's kinda dangerous, and this video shows one aspect of these dangers.

[@virtue_vs_vitriol5029]

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. John 3:17(KJV)

[@marya9039]

Sounds like Unitarian…why don’t they just go there? Jesus said He came to divide.

[@philipbuckley759]

progressive....hmmm....stick to the Bible.....and pass these ones by...

[@bht96]

I agree with you, but this is NOT Christianity. Have you read the Bible?

[@RKS4581]

This woman is spot on. I went to a progressive church for six years. I could not do it anymore. It is a whole other religion. It is not the Holy Bible either.

[@camwchristian]

Love what you do Alyssa. Appreciate your work of bringing darkness into the light.