Do you know the historical roots of Christianity?

Alisa unpacks why she uses the term "Historic Christianity" to designate the opposite of "Progressive Christianity."
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[@m3pilot86]

This is SO HELPFUL. I’ve been a believer for 4 decades. For the last several years I’ve been asking the question, “What does authentic Christianity look like?” It seems that I’m getting pointed in the right direction.

[@cindychristman8708]

What do I do with the ideas that were pervasive before the 1st century? In 332 BC, Persia (Iranians) conquered Judea and Zoroastrianism was the main Persian state religion of the time. When Persia conquered the Jews and hauled them off into slavery or into exile into other Persian cities, the Jews borrowed a lot of the ideas of the Persians and added them to their religion. These are attributes of Judaism that did not exist before the exile...you won't find them in the OT writings that were written before the Persian conquest but afterwards you start to see it all throughout. A good god vs. an evil god (light vs. dark) The world will end, and God's justice realized A river of fire sent by God will flow over the universe burning everything up A new, better world will be created in its place All the good people will be resurrected by God to live in that new world happily ever after Before the Persian conquest Satan was the right-hand man of God doing the will of God, he wasn't an adversary in the sense of an enemy of god. After that, 2nd Temple Judaism started to acquire this idea of Satan as a rebel who took a legion of angels that rebelled against God and was cast out of Heaven and now is responsible for all evil and all death in the world is this big struggle between the good god (God) and the evil god (Satan). Christians picked this concept up but it came from Iran. The idea that the world will end was not a part of Judaism before this conquest. The idea that God's justice would be realized in one big apocalyptic cataclysm was a Zoroastrian idea that came from Persia. The Jews liked that idea and they adopted it and turned everything around so that it would be the Persians that God would melt and not the other way around. The great apocalyptic burning with a new world is a Zoroastrian idea and wasn't an original Jewish belief. An eternal paradise was not a part of Judaism (you died and basically stayed dead), you were like a vague spirit in the earth. If you look at the Talmud, one of the requirements of being a Jew is affirming that you'll be resurrected when everyone else is explicitly declared a heretic. Judeo-Christianity is from Iran. This is all man-made religion, this is not a God who thought of all this stuff at the origin point of Judaism. When God is communicating with Abraham he doesn't say, Oh by the way, the world is going to end at a certain time, I'm gonna resurrect everybody, I'm gonna burn everything , and there's this awful guy named Satan and you need to watch out for him. All that stuff gets added later and it's from a human-created religion of Zoroastrianism. This is historical evidence that shows that Judaism is not a God-oriented of God-originated religion--it's just another cobbled together man-made thing.

[@sv8156]

@Cindy Christman How would you account for miraculously answered prayers?

[@michaelgenova5007]

The Cross and the resurrection have to be defended in every generation.

[@RichardMackenzieaus]

Yes-so critical. Even St Paul faced those who scoffed at the ressurection.

[@rickmcgowan6725]

Primarily, the cross and the resurrection have to be told or witnessed in every generation.

[@LukeVidler]

Could it be the fact that they are making huge claims that are outside human experience ? Reversal of death ? Life after Death ? Miracles miracles miracles ? If I claimed to have a pet dragon in my backyard nobody is going to take me seriously, why do Christians assume they don't need to prove all these magical claims ?

[@iamdunat0s795]

Hi @@LukeVidler ! Interesting question. Let’s consider your dragon story. You’re right. We probably won’t believe that you have a dragon in your backyard. Unless of course, you can produce multiple eyewitnesses to corroborate your claim. Especially if your eyewitnesses maintain their stories and refuse to recant, even when faced with a painful death. I’m guessing you can’t produce such eyewitnesses for your dragon, but Jesus did for his life, ministry, death, and resurrection. There are other types of evidence also. In the end, the choice is yours. Follow Jesus or follow Baal.

[@LukeVidler]

@@iamdunat0s795 By Eyewitnesses do you mean the author of Mark? He would be the closest thing to an eyewitness, he was copied by Matthew and Luke and John copied all three. But Mark doesn't make this claim, and the oldest version we have of the book of Mark has no resurrection. I don't know why Christians lie about so many things in the age of wikipedia but good luck with it. Google historicity of the gospels and you will get a dose of reality.

[@davidborrink137]

That was an interesting analogy of your grandma's peach cobbler recipe. That works. It's a good way to explain the distance of time regarding the sharing of truths.

[@allisondawn9610]

I wish we get this teaching in our churches,Thank Alissa for everything you do to reveal the truth of God’s word,Bless you and praying for you to continue what you’re doing for God’s glory🙌🏼🙏

[@Jonathongggg]

Just recently came across your work--so good! Thank you for sharing invaluable knowledge. It is a blessing :)

[@nothanks4469]

I love your videos and blog! Very clear and helpful for me.

[@erinwilliams838]

Right on time Alisa!! Straight up!

[@apostlesdoctrineministries7663]

Great, appreciative information. I took plenty of notes for food for thought to add to my arsenal of witnessing 👍🏿

[@MicahGoring]

This is excellent. Thank you for making these videos.

[@Jesusmyhopeofglory]

Wow, Alisa so well presented. Thank you 🙏

[@Revscooter65]

Do you have a theology degree? You are knowledgeable and clear speaking. As a pastor, I thank you for your teachings

[@Revscooter65]

@Aaron W. C. Jesus proved it through the resurrection. Please read it.

[@Revscooter65]

@Aaron W. C. Paine starts with the assumption miracles cannot happen. With that underlying belief it is impossible to to have an open mind and logically consider the evidence fully.

[@Revscooter65]

@UCbjqePgMIH8uG5eDfDpaW7A Reason will lead you to the God of the Bible if you are serious about searching out the truth.

[@Revscooter65]

@Aaron W. C. If you have done any research on it, it the most accurately preserved historical document ever by a long shot. If the God of the Bible is true, would you believe in him?

[@saxmanjpr5092]

@@Revscooter65 Tell that guy to contact me since I have been miraculously healed from an S.T.D. that I never told anyone I had until years after I was healed. ;)

[@aaronshelton5368]

Love your videos! Keep speaking the truth.

[@victorymeadow4073]

I am so thankful for your witness sister!

[@garygrant6987]

Fantastic. Thank you, Alisa.

[@asielchristopher4955]

Great one Alisa...thank you

[@RichardMackenzieaus]

Love your work Alisa.

[@janwaska521]

Excellent! Thank you Alisa. Praise Adonai!

[@prayersquad3391]

You seem like such a nice person. It's nice to have someone teaching without screaming.

[@patticarey9016]

Excellent discussion of the Faith that was delivered once for all. Thank you, Alisa! May God continue to bless your ministry. 🙏💕

[@Beautyqueen-px3hc]

I loved your group zoeygirl growing up. I’m so blessed and happy to you on KZbin. Instant subscriber.

[@JesseSaintJesse]

Thank you so much, very interesting - I learned a lot!

[@stitchmom0582]

Thank you for this video!!!! Thank you for your obedience, Sister.

[@oracawa]

This was a great reminder of what our faith is rooted in. What is so great as you pointed out is what Paul said that this was the most important. I have read this chapter many times and ever really focused on how important this was to the early church. Thankyou

[@KathyakaNina]

Thank you Alisa for your amazing ministry! I will share this to a sister in my church that is having some doubt. I know I needed this reminder of the gospel & the historical roots. Very well put! Especially the resurrection, that is main point that our faith in God is true. God bless you

[@maruti3528]

Thanks and hats off to you for findings from the scriptures with the right illustration. I am blessed. God bless you and make you a channel of blessing to the Gospel believers Amen.

[@howardbabcom]

Thanks, Alisa. Nicely done.

[@Uuyyyooohh]

So good!!

[@LisaKardash]

Clear, precise and excellent teaching!

[@dankwilde]

So good, thank you!

[@wadegray2069]

The book “sinners in the hands of a loving God” by Brian Zahnd really helped me with my approach to Christianity and Scripture

[@blevans3]

Excellent sister. As it has always happened, the truth of the Gospel will always win out in the end.

[@jumpinglikeamonkey4640]

Great summary Alisa

[@ProverbsOne7]

Excellent! Thank you.

[@sonburst7]

I usually don't listen to you for reasons that escape me, but this was an excellent and timely video. It was well documented, well researched, and well-presented. For my apologetic channel this is the kind of stuff I want to be putting up. Keep me in prayer. I find I need to learn discipline to get this task done. Yet the Lord is using me to help our church youth group and even opened a door to speak to a youth group in Pakistan via Skype.

[@EdKidgell]

Thank you for this.

[@jordan7985]

This was AWESOME!

[@michaelgonzalez1824]

Love this, Amen Sister

[@mimipopova404]

Sending admirations and love in Christ, Alisa. 😊🌹 Defending the truth is, probably, the most honourable way of life today. Because, even when we live to defend the poor and needy, if there is no truth left to guide them, they still will be lost. May Lord bless your work and reach many hearts by it! ❤️

[@timp1051]

That was excellent Alisa. Ravi would be proud.

[@sonburst7]

You just made me smile. Yeah, Tim, I think he would be (or is)

[@HankFidel]

This did not age well

[@jomayo1678]

Why would one want to make Ravi proud, no thanks!

[@HankFidel]

@@jomayo1678 To be fair...this was 7 months ago

[@utuberme1]

@@HankFidel Yep. That comment was before the.... you know.

[@oldschoolpreacher5785]

Praise God. Good teaching

[@Mel-so4ou]

Thank you for this excellent, informative, and insightful explanation of historic Christianity! May the Lord continue to expand your influence for His glory and the good of others!

[@grasonicus]

It's really easy; the core of Christianity is that Jesus willingly died to pay the price for humanity's combined sin. This gift is not forced on anyone. One has to accept it and live a life showing one follows Jesus.

[@gachapotatocookie2309]

Amen to all that!

[@derickrae]

Excellent!!!!

[@annaberitfyen3731]

Excellent.

[@OverZel]

I love this

[@abramtillabuild8477]

So true I as well agree that we should get back to the roots of the true teaching of the historical Christianity. This is why I would love to know how you found all this out and if there is any online courses that you know of for me to take to learn and grow in apologetics and to the historical Christianity so I can do my part and defend the true church teachings as you are. Thank you ever so much your a gem!

[@bensbergministries9261]

Excellent

[@martinripka6898]

Thank you 4 your clear words and orientation. Please consider investigating also in St. John's gospel, chapter 6. And how it was understood and celebrated in the first centuries among christians. The deepest and most beautiful mistery after the most Holy Trinity.

[@missezsue]

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 💯 % - I appreciate you!

[@noxcusespodcast117]

Well said sis

[@Sorana44]

Great !!!

[@noahtheshipbuilder1778]

I recently said at my church how the Apostle Paul “preached Christ crucified” (1 Corinthians 1.17, 1.23, 2.2). One of the elders replied “We can’t do that, people won’t like it, it will put people off).

[@m3pilot86]

This trend is troublesome to me. From my point of view, the gospel is meant to be PROCLAIMED, not MARKETED. I well remember a main point of a marketing class I once took. Marketing starts with obsessed simple, basic question; “What do people want?” When it comes to the gospel, that seems to be a bad place to start.

[@richardrice1032]

@@m3pilot86 "Wants vs Needs", we could spend hours chatting about that one! I would recommend Googling "Wants vs Needs Biblical". An OpenBible.info site popped up with 13 verses, including "Give us this day our daily bread" Matthew 6:11, from The Lords Prayer. Alisa's video was posted during the COVID-19 Pandemic. In my opinion Wants Vs Needs have collided, or at least been been more sharply focused. As I type this needs such food and shelter are all over the evening news. Long lines at Food Banks, and not being able to pay the Rent are heartbreakingly real issues. Jesus' observed that the people listening to me are hungry. He fed thousands from a few loafs and fishes, with Leftovers no less! Marketing was not the issue. Hunger, a real human Need was, and God provided. God provided! We should do no less.

[@carolberubee]

Alisa, I like the way you break things down and make them simple. However, Paul did not get his Gospel (1 Corinthians 15:3ff) from others. It was not handed down to him as a creed. Rather, he received it directly from the Ascended Christ (Galatians 1:11-12).

[@lucille7069]

Amen. So true. Paul spent about three years with God in the desert of Arabia getting his mind straightened out from a theological point of view. No creed.

[@gwengwen4535]

One and the same though, right? Or are you referring to salvation being through the Jews first, then through repentance and water, and then through simple belief? Because I understand the dispensations, and the differences in coming to faith, however I do believe that the same Gospel overall, is the same. Can you clarify for me? Thank you, I know this is really old😅

[@tonyyelverton92]

Solid....

[@INRIVivatChristusRex]

min 4:50 Oral tradition?!?! That sounds like Sacred Tradition! Beautiful!!! Catholic Church shines from the very beginning!

[@aadschram5877]

Amen! The gates of hell shall not prevail against her.

[@steve2474]

And the Orthodox Church

[@allenyoo9212]

it's a good term!

[@robenabillington6215]

Hi Alisa. I stumbled upon you on YT only 3 or 4 weeks ago and am quite happy that I did. I just watched American Gospel: Christ Crucified and found it equally amazing and jolting. I would like to research 1st and 2nd century Christianity. Is there a particular book or resource that you can recommend?

[@eamonnmurphy1844]

Hi Robena, you might consider reading the "primary source" letters by the early Apostolic Church Fathers. These are the actual letters as they were written! If you get a book about them, you can be steered way off course toward one theology or the other. You can make your own mind up then as to what they are saying.( Ignatius of Antioch; Clement of Rome; Polycarp of Smyrna.) Ignatius of Antioch. Polycarp of Smyrna . Clement of rome

[@ebae7355]

Robena Billington May I suggest two very readable books? (1) The Untold Story of the New Testament Church by Frank Viola, and (2) Revolution, the Story of The Early Church by Gene Edwards. Enjoy..

[@chrishart2228]

Suggestion: The book of Acts through Revelation 3 would be a good place to see Biblical, historical Christianity in action.

[@robenabillington6215]

@@chrishart2228 Yes. I have read the NT many times. I am trying to learn more from post NT through the first several hundred years.

[@SusanMorales]

Thank you for the woman-friendly recipe example 😊

[@James41892]

YAHWEH BLESS Sister ! יהוה ברכה אחות

[@kali8085]

The BEST way is to study the OT paying attention to the books that Jesus Quoted, namely Deuteronomy, Isaiah and the Psalms. Knowing Jewish language and culture namely the culture of the second temple Jews helps. Remember also the Bible was not written in English. There is a substantial amount of meaning that is lost in the translation between the Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek and English. Knowing the history of the early church fathers, Polycarp, Ireneus and others help also. Then you study the Creeds. That way you get the full back story on what and why the Creeds read the way they do.

[@abramtillabuild8477]

I would love to know where you learned all this stuff as I want to learn it more in detail. Is there an online school or course that you took to learn all this?

[@approvedofGod]

Awesome. The first thing I teach new converts is I Corinthians 15. Again, awesome.

[@Erwin70000]

Well said. I do have reservations about using the term “historical”. The word implies the passing of time but God’s Word is not subject to time. “ For I am the Lord, I change not” Malachi 3:6 - “For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven” Psa 119:89. Maybe a better term would be What does a follower of Christ must believe?

[@ST-ov8cm]

Andreas700 I think she was using the term historical to signify what the early Christians believed as opposed to what some Christians believe today.

[@Erwin70000]

@@ST-ov8cm Thank you for commenting. I agree with your explanation. I was thinking about the current view by some who consider the Bible tenants outdated and not relevant to today.

[@ST-ov8cm]

Andreas700 Yep. You are exactly right

[@richardrice1032]

Alisa (Girard) Childers, is a former member of the contemporary Christian music group, Zoegirl. It is now December 7, 2020. The World is struggling with a COVID-19 Pandemic. Hope is building that Vaccines can stem the tide of sickness and death. Alisa, like many other Faithfull Christians reminds us that out Father in Heaven is still with us! Alisa Childers has posted many Podcasts & Videos. Many, such as this one are in my opinion, worthy of being part of a Christian Bible Study. Less than 15 minutes long, which leaves lots of time for discussion. Highly recommend checking out her Podcasts & Videos about "Apologetics", which are about "defending the Christian Faith". (Nothing to do with 'apologizing!')

[@bradharford6052]

I find it very interesting that the concept of eternal conscious torment in a fiery hell was not even mentioned in the early creeds of the first few centuries. Hmmm?

[@tscoke]

Have you read the Didache, one of the earliest training manuals for Christians?

[@approvedofGod]

Tom Coke The Didache is a member of the Apocryphal literature.

[@bradleyperry1735]

approvedofGod And?

[@approvedofGod]

@@bradleyperry1735 As a member of the Apocrypha books, it is not a valid source of information. It's content is spurious.

[@bradleyperry1735]

approvedofGod The Didache is not part of the deuterocanon.

[@tscoke]

I never said it was anything but one of the earliest historical documents of beginning Christianity - much earlier than Eusebius' History of the Church.

[@Mike-qc8xd]

Well said we call those Catholics cafeteria Catholics they pick and choose what they want well said that was excellent thank you

[@campbellbailey9614]

Bullet points please.

[@pedinurse1]

I can't believe how little this is preached in the churches today.

[@ST-ov8cm]

How did the apostles and the first Christians define Christianity? What does the historic record show?

[@larryluch8178]

The Catholic Church is the church Jesus founded. Authority to teach belongs there. If there are contradictory messages within Christian denominations check what the Catholic Church teaches to hear the truth

[@oneunitednation1543]

إِذَا السَّمَاءُ انفَطَرَتْ When the sky breaks apart 2 وَإِذَا الْكَوَاكِبُ انتَثَرَتْ And when the stars fall, scattering, 3 وَإِذَا الْبِحَارُ فُجِّرَتْ And when the seas are erupted 4 وَإِذَا الْقُبُورُ بُعْثِرَتْ And when the [contents of] graves are scattered, 5 عَلِمَتْ نَفْسٌ مَّا قَدَّمَتْ وَأَخَّرَتْ A soul will [then] know what it has put forth and kept back. 6 يَا أَيُّهَا الْإِنسَانُ مَا غَرَّكَ بِرَبِّكَ الْكَرِيمِ O mankind, what has deceived you concerning your Lord, the Generous, 7 الَّذِي خَلَقَكَ فَسَوَّاكَ فَعَدَلَكَ Who created you, proportioned you, and balanced you? 8 فِي أَيِّ صُورَةٍ مَّا شَاءَ رَكَّبَكَ In whatever form He willed has He assembled you. 9 كَلَّا بَلْ تُكَذِّبُونَ بِالدِّينِ No! But you deny the Recompense. 10 وَإِنَّ عَلَيْكُمْ لَحَافِظِينَ And indeed, [appointed] over you are keepers, 11 كِرَامًا كَاتِبِينَ Noble and recording; 12 يَعْلَمُونَ مَا تَفْعَلُونَ They know whatever you do. 13 إِنَّ الْأَبْرَارَ لَفِي نَعِيمٍ Indeed, the righteous will be in pleasure, 14 وَإِنَّ الْفُجَّارَ لَفِي جَحِيمٍ And indeed, the wicked will be in Hellfire. 15 يَصْلَوْنَهَا يَوْمَ الدِّينِ They will [enter to] burn therein on the Day of Recompense, 16 وَمَا هُمْ عَنْهَا بِغَائِبِينَ And never therefrom will they be absent. 17 وَمَا أَدْرَاكَ مَا يَوْمُ الدِّينِ And what can make you know what is the Day of Recompense? 18 ثُمَّ مَا أَدْرَاكَ مَا يَوْمُ الدِّينِ Then, what can make you know what is the Day of Recompense? 19 يَوْمَ لَا تَمْلِكُ نَفْسٌ لِّنَفْسٍ شَيْئًا ۖ وَالْأَمْرُ يَوْمَئِذٍ لِّلَّهِ It is the Day when a soul will not possess for another soul [power to do] a thing; and the command, that Day, is [entirely] with Allah.

[@CLJorgie]

What’s the difference between the Church Fathers and the Early Desert Father’s?

[@solospiritus910]

You really need to read Margaret Barkers work on the restoration of the First Temple. World class scholar that brings new life to the mission of Yeshua

[@MolloyDadda247Luke]

I became a Christian again this year. Wondering which Church should I join?

[@renjithjoseph7135]

Look to history, friend. In the 1400s which church(es) existed? In the 2nd century, which church existed? What does the Bible say about Apostolic succession and ordination? Which church(es) still ordain their priests in the same manner (laying on of hands)? Look to the Eucharist. What did the first documents from the Apostles and doctors say about the Body and Blood of Christ? Which church(es) still hold this Truth? Look to the Bible in its entirety. Which church recognised the God-breathed documents and compiled them? For what purpose were they compiled? Look to the etymology of the word "Testament" in the phrases of 'Old and New Testament'. These were Scriptures that were to be read during the liturgy i.e. the mass.

[@shooterdownunder]

The first thing to do is understand what the Bible teaches and the gospel. From there you should be able to find a good church through discernment

[@INRIVivatChristusRex]

min 2:58. St Paul.

[@justgideon]

While the intention is good, I fear that giving Christianity two different designations will legitimize the wrong one. It's good for educating and differentiating, but I would probably prefer the more biblical "false teaching" or "another gospel", vs. "sound doctrine".

[@CornerTalker]

9:40 Rule of Faith 1) Monotheism 2) OT Prophets are Inspired 3) Jesus is son of God 4) Jesus is creator, god in flesh 5) Jesus was physical crucified 6) Jesus was bodily raised 7) Jesus is coming back.

[@richardrice1032]

Witnesses. The first key point!

[@billmartin7032]

I am hoping Alisa will comment since in multiple videos she refers to Atonement as payment. This is not a challenge. I am genuinely puzzled by this. Atonement does not show up until Exodus 29 Kaphar - cover, appease, purge, forgive, atonement AT - ONE - MENT English coming from Latin adunamentum meaning unity transliterated to old English as atonement. I find that in the Old Testament it is related to making someone or something that is unclean fit to be in sacred space. (Lev 8:15 The Altar, 14:53 A House, 15:15 and 15:30 Bodily Functions - None of which have anything to do with sin but require atonement). There are references to atonement for sin, which makes us unclean and unfit, Lev 5:15, but never for “high handed” sin such as murder or adultery. For those sins there is either death or banishment from the camp. For high handed sins there is only an appeal for mercy. (Psalm 51:1-3) For David, both a murderer and an adulterer there is no sacrifice. (2 Samuel 12:19-20). I am not seeing Atonement in the OT used in reference to Payment. Christ’s work on the cross is clearly to make the believer fit to be in sacred space (where God is). The veil torn in two, come boldly to the throne of grace… but also about Substitution and Payment, ransom and propitiation for our sins. The concept of payment is all over the NT letters.

[@justinkatsel8927]

Many of the new testament letters were written by Paul. An old testament scholar. Genesis chapter one. Do not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. In the day that you eat of it you shall surely die. Death is the penalty of sin. Paul calls it the wages. God made tunics of skin to cover the nakedness of Adam and Eve. The first animal sacrifice was done by God in chapter three of Genesis. To cover their sin. For it says their eyes were opened and they knew they were naked and they sewed fig leaves to cover themselves and they hid from God. They were afraid because they were naked. Eternal life is the free gift of God according to Roman's 6:23. One cannot have eternal life without atonement for we are sinners and cannot live with God in His presence without it. The gift is free to the recipient but to the giver it always costs something. For what gift is given among us unless it is payed for in time, labor, money, or all of the above by the one who gives. Surely it cost Jesus a great price. I think this is evidenced by His prayer in the garden and his words on the cross. Let us not forget the the alter and utensils and bronze laver and the tabernacle itself was made by sinners with sinful hands. Therefore these items of worship had to be atoned for before entering into the service of the Lord. And let's not forget that these things were all a type of Christ and His atoning sacrifice. For the law is our tutor to bring us to Christ (Galations 3). This is good discussion. Let us dive into the scriptures to see if these things be true. Iron sharpens iron. God bless you.

[@billmartin7032]

@@justinkatsel8927 Thank you for your response. So, in Luke 4:25-27 Jesus uses two non-Jews as examples of faith because they expressed loyalty and allegiance to God rather than the pagan gods in their home lands (I'm interpreting Jesus' intent. You may see it differently). They would never have any concept of a future redeemer but were Accepted. Like Abraham, I am extrapolating Jesus' words to mean their faith (loyalty and allegiance) was reckoned to them as righteousness. Jesus could have used the example of Abraham. Naaman would never become a Jew, be circumcised, sacrifice at the temple, read the torah... but appears to be Accepted as you say a free gift upon belief, able to worship the true God but not fit to be in the presence of God without atonement which came at the cross (for us all). Here's how I'm reading the Bible: We are Accepted (saved) upon "Belief" in Christ. Period!!! We are Atoned for (made fit to be in God's presence) by Christ's sacrifice which was an ultimate Cost, Price, Payment to Him on our behalf. We use the word Atonement as Payment. I'm not questioning whether Jesus took the sting of death from me by His substitution. I am questioning if we are using the word Atonement correctly when we use it in terms of Payment and if we are, how do we reconcile that with the concept of Atonement in the OT where it is NEVER used as Payment but only to make things or an already existing worshipper fit to be in God's presence. Christ's work was the final Atonement. (free and welcomed access to the Father always, unlike our OT righteous brothers and sisters). Never a need again for sacrifice of bulls and goats. That is a beautiful picture to me. I'm glad to learn or I wouldn't ask.

[@sonofblessed]

7:05 - If Jesus' death is the essential point of Christianity for the purpose of atonement, why is the resurrection so important? What I mean is, wouldn't have atonement been achieved had Jesus remained dead? What is the role of resurrection in atonement?

[@TheBnaja]

Atonement indicates something is owed, and the creator of everything doesn't owe anything to anyone. Jesus conquers death, by death. Death is the consequence of sin, therefore by His resurrection we have the promise through Christ that death, or the "wages of sin", has been conquered and no longer enslaves us.. And because we are weak in the flesh, we receive the holy spirit to assist us in dealing with the sin around us. The resurrection brought with it, Hope eternal. Amen.

[@sonofblessed]

@@TheBnaja Why does God accept repentance without sacrifices if the thing owed is death itself? There are many verses in the Tanakh that explicit mention this, but take a look at Hosea 14:2 for starters.

[@TheBnaja]

@@sonofblessed I am by no means a theologian or scholar, so please forgive me if my response misses the mark. The way I understand the Bible (limited by my own intellect and not that which is revealed by the Holy spirit) is that it all points to Jesus. Who he is, what he did, what he will do. Death entered the world through sin. The law was set forth to know what sin is. Sacrifice became the physical representation of repentance, but sin continued. Even when we wish to do what is holy we still do what is not. St. Paul says the same thing, so I know the struggle is real Jesus fulfilled the law and there is no longer a need for sacrificial offering on our part. However, my heart xan grow cold, so I am reminded that Psalm 51:17 says that a sacrifice pleasing to God is a broken spirit. A broken and contrite heart God will not despise. Contrition is true repentance. 🙏 Again, this is My understanding of why atonement is incorrect. The love of God is a mystery. The redemption of creation through his son Jesus, is an even greater mystery, but I know it is real and it offers hope in the darkest of times.

[@sonofblessed]

@@TheBnaja The Jews were aware that a broken and contrite heart, God will not despise long before Christians associated it with Jesus. Judaism is all about this, but Christians prefer not to understand because it undermines Jesus. They think that the Law is legalistic and rigid, but they don't understand (and haven't asked us) what we really think of it and how it as an expression of God's love versus something to be overcome. Too bad.

[@tawneeseekye1]

Christianity began as a sect within wider Judaism.

[@INRIVivatChristusRex]

min 0:18 St. Jude.

[@thewholemessprinciple]

"If Christ has not been raised, then your faith is futile"...resurrecting Christ in one's consciousness; "raising" one's consciousness. It's the necessary next step. Biblically, it's made to work on both literal and figurative levels.

[@GR65330]

Not all of the apostolic teaching are found in the scriptures. Some of the apostolic teaching was received orally and the Christians were bound by the oral teachings as much as the scriptures. I love how the 2nd century Church father Irenaeaus of Lyons stated it in 180AD. "It is incumbent to obey the presbyters who are in the Church-those who, as I have shown, possess the succession from the apostles; those who, together with the succession of the episcopate, have received the infallible charism of truth, according to the good pleasure of the Father. But [it is also incumbent] to hold in suspicion others who depart from the primitive succession, and assemble themselves together in any place whatsoever, either as heretics of perverse minds, or as schismatics puffed up and self-pleasing, or again as hypocrites, acting thus for the sake of lucre and vainglory. For all these have fallen from the truth". - Ireneaus of Lyons, Against Heresies, 4:26:2, 180 AD

[@approvedofGod]

Do you agree that the trinity is not sound doctrine?

[@alafresca7948]

Those who were given spiritual rebirth by God were also given the gift of saving faith which leads them to accept God's word as truth because they won't be able to understand their faith without the gospel. They don't choose for or against the gospel because God made the choice for them when he chose them for salvation by grace through faith.

[@truemanrep3267]

1 Corinth 15: 1-5

[@Pandaemoni]

10:59 Was Mary related to David? I know from the genealogies that Joseph was, but, of course, Joseph wasn't Jesus' father.

[@harrypotterification]

You are right on. I'm genuinely interested to know what is keeping you from coming into the Catholic Church. It was those early, historical teachings that directed me toward Catholicism.

[@rebchance6439]

Why do I see my future self in you so much?

[@utuberme1]

I hope you attain that graceful future.

[@evanpowell3961]

What scripture is Paul referring to when he says in 1 Cor 15 that Jesus would be buried and raised on the third day "according to the scriptures"?

[@shlomorabenovets4709]

off the top of my head Jonah was a Type of Christ or a prefigure. Dead 3 days and 3 nights in the Belly of the Whale. Jonah was brought to life on the 3rd day. Jesus himself corroborated that as being a picture of his Death Burial and Resurrection when he told his accusers, "No sign shall be given this generation except the sign of the Prophet Jonah"

[@billboardman8747]

Isaiah 53 shows death and resurrection, but doesn’t specify three days

[@evanpowell3961]

@@billboardman8747 So I think we can agree that there was no scriptural prediction that the Messiah would die and rise on the third day. How does this become a "creed" within a few months or years when there was no such prediction?

[@evanpowell3961]

@@shlomorabenovets4709 So that's it? Because Jonah was in the belly of the fish for three days, that is the "scriptural prediction" that Jesus would die, be buried, and and rise from the dead in three days?

[@carolberubee]

Both Isaiah 53 and Psalm 16 are prophecies of the resurrection. The "third day" is not part of the OT in so many words, though the typology of Jonah was there. The thing is, Paul could have said, "...and was raised from among the dead according to the Scriptures (which occurred on the third day)," but he simply shortens it.

[@mrsbajjerblithe9047]

Why yes, I do. It’s called the Orthodox Church.

[@philosophyjunkies6693]

Eastern Orthodox? They're not ready for that.

[@mrsbajjerblithe9047]

Philosophy Junkies I wasn’t either, when as a Protestant I investigated it in order to debunk it 18 months ago. My debunking didn’t go so well, and now I’m Orthodox. 😉

[@philosophyjunkies6693]

@@mrsbajjerblithe9047 i went through a similar journey about a decade ago. Either you're remain where you are or leave Christianity entirely. Good luck either way. If you look up my KZbin name on Facebook and dig around you should be able to find me.

[@mrsbajjerblithe9047]

Philosophy Junkies Thanks for sharing. It’s a forever decision for me. 🙂 Just followed you on FB. Always open to dialogue. Blessings to you!

[@neilanadams5173]

Which orthodox? Russian? Greek?

[@Lukebarca]

"Progressive Christianity" has been inside the church for some many years that so many are deceived to believe that they are following the traditional/historical Christianity. Christians are followers of Christ! What did Jesus Do or Preach? If you believe a doctrine that is contrary to what Jesus did, or even what his apostles preached that directly knew and walked with Christ, you have questions to ask about your beliefs.

[@ReflectedMiles]

I am curious if you detect your own reading into, or on top of, what Paul writes in 1 Cor. 15 there at 07:05 - 07:30, from a much narrower and quite different doctrine laid down centuries later, particularly in the Reformation? Paul states a connection between Christ being raised and whether Christians are still in their sins. You state that the connection is to the doctrine of the atonement, which is the belief that Christ took upon Himself all of the sins and penalty due to us _in His death_ -- that this is what He accomplished in His death. So why, then, are Christians still in their sins without the resurrection if they were paid for by His death? Jude 3-4 is extremely important, as are the traditions of the Church in early creeds and hymns, etc. (2 Thess. 2:15, others), but historic Christianity has much to say about most significant Christian issues and many of the traditions have been silenced because, frankly, we won't endure them. We are back in the situation of the last verse of Judges, we are offering the same refusal to the Lord's pleading in Jeremiah 6:16ff as the people responded to Him with there, and it is interesting to look back at the regrets that someone like John Wesley expressed towards the end of his ministry about what changed just over his time, what he regretted, and wished he would have done differently. I would argue that virtually all churches today are ahistorical and very much into "progressive" Christianity. In fact, the progression has gone on unabated in that my great-grandparents' conservative Protestant-Evangelical doctrines and practices have already changed significantly in less than 150 years' time. "Orthodoxy" as the term is often bandied about now, even by Mormons, is meaningless without being clearly defined.

[@robertdouglas8895]

The disciples were ready to die for creeds, ideas. That was because they came from a culture that believed that sacrifice is how we get closer to God. Jesus came to change that idea. He told us that the way to get closer to God was to change our minds, metanoia. He taught that we needed to not follow the ideas of the world but God's ideas and forgiveness and repentance brings us back in touch with God instead of the world. Matt 12.7 If you had known what these words mean, “I desire mercy, not sacrifice,” you would not have condemned the innocent.

[@ericclaghorn7242]

I know you don't pick what is advertised on your videos but Buddhism?

[@DonswatchingtheTube]

For me it's taking the Bible at face value. The message was simply the resurrection from my own death. Later on came other people's history, philosophy, politics and science. That never convinced me nor removed the basic message.

[@RandyTheGrit]

The trouble is historic Christianity is not well defined. One scholar picked out 7 points. Other scholars would disagree with him. Progressive scholars do argue that many of their ideas go way back. Plus they point out that the church was not infallible even in the second century. Catholic scholars would raise the opposite objection. They would say the 7 are carefully chosen to line up with protestant beliefs. That conservative protestants actually act like liberals and ignore the early Christian consensus on sacraments and the role of bishops and Mary and so on. That is they are picking and choosing doctrines just in a different way.

[@johnroesch2159]

People were united in their faith in the first century by the visible Church Christ founded which is the Catholic Church.

[@chrishart2228]

Absolutely wrong. The catholic church wasn't around in the first century, and the Apostle Peter wasn't retroactively "the first 'pope' ". The catholic church was a creation of Rome and Constantine in 352 AD (therefore the fourth century) and it is full of paganism, idolatry and heresy. Read what Jesus says to the church in Thyatira (the name which means "continual sacrifice") in Revelation 2. Also see Revelation 17 and 18 for the eventual fate of Rome (Babylon). Flee the idolatry of catholicism.

[@louellecaldino506]

@@chrishart2228 what was the main or ancient Christian denomination in Rome and other places what Paul visited during ministry? Are they Baptists church?

[@chrishart2228]

@@louellecaldino506 You're not very clever with that question, Caldino. Stupid question. They certainly weren't catholic, a fraud mother-son cult that was formed in the fourth century. Nice try.

[@neilanadams5173]

They posture all day with falsehoods and in their blind ignorance they deny the obvious truth that Christianity is Catholicism and Catholicism is Christianity. They lack humility to accept a Church so they dance around the truth and make up their own beliefs instead. Let's hope and pray they open their eyes and not perish like their miserable protestant forefathers.

[@louellecaldino506]

@@chrishart2228 you're also not very clever with your answer Hart, no where in history that those places are not Catholic, even in Antioch where we see the word Christians were used is even distinguish themselves as Catholic based on letter by saint Ignatius on his way to Rome for martyrdom