All Are Welcome... In Hell

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Brian Holdsworth

Brian Holdsworth

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Increasingly, we’re seeing movements in the #Church that want to say, come as you are, stay as you are, all are welcome as they are - with no simultaneous message of, if you want God’s promises of eternal life, you’re going to have to change, you’re going to have to respond in some way - first and foremost by repenting.
You’re going to have to recognize your faults and renounce them to begin the process of being healed of them. You have to embrace a process of sanctification. That’s what it means to be a disciple of Jesus.
And to endorse or give your blessing to someone as they are, in the name of inclusivity, is not inclusive and it’s not loving. And so anybody who wants to say that’s the defining feature of a God of Love, is lying to you.
A Church that prioritizes unconditioned inclusivity has more in common with Hell than it does with God’s Kingdom. Because all are welcome as they are in Hell. Hell doesn’t expect you to change or become better as a prerequisite to admission. In fact, it doesn’t want you to change, it wants you to stagnate and miss out on your fullest happiness and purpose in life, which we admitted from the beginning, is not where we are. We can all improve, remember? Hell wants you to skip out on all that and is happy to take you as you are.
Admission into God’s kingdom is conditional. All are invited, but not everyone comes.
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@villefere6968
@villefere6968 9 ай бұрын
Nothing is as diverse, equitable and inclusive as hell.
@juancarlosv5136
@juancarlosv5136 9 ай бұрын
Hell is what you can find at the core of a star like the Sun. That is real.
@kennotrogzeug7012
@kennotrogzeug7012 8 ай бұрын
That is why the alphabet soup athiest people say "diversity is our strength".
@UnbaptizedInfantsGoToHell
@UnbaptizedInfantsGoToHell 8 ай бұрын
True, unbaptized infants also go there. Council of Florence: The souls of those who depart this life in actual mortal sin, or in original sin alone (i.e. unbaptized infants), go down straight away to hell to be punished, but with unequal pains
@baseballmomof8
@baseballmomof8 8 ай бұрын
Perfectly said
@catholicguy1073
@catholicguy1073 8 ай бұрын
@@UnbaptizedInfantsGoToHellwhat you’re stating is incorrect. There are different levels of hell. Hell is the separation from God. Not everyone in hell is treated equally which is spoken about in Scripture. For example when Jesus descended to hell the OT saints were there like Moses and Abraham along with others who led a good life. They were in what is called Abraham’s bosom. If infants are separated from God they would be in a state of natural happiness. Lastly God can override the commandments because he’s God. The purpose of the Sacraments is the ordinary way of salvation. So you’re either ignorant or trolling. Considering your name on here I’m going for the latter
@gingerherringtonSTMM
@gingerherringtonSTMM 9 ай бұрын
While Jesus meets us where we are, He loves us too much to leave us as we are. An ongoing spirit of repentance and conversion is necessary for Eternal Life
@glennrogers5568
@glennrogers5568 9 ай бұрын
If the living knew what the dead knew the whole world would follow Jesus Christ…
@fishofgold6553
@fishofgold6553 8 ай бұрын
That just makes me wonder why Jesus doesn't just clearly show and tell all humanity what it needs to know about Heaven, Purgatory, Hell, sin, holiness and God's Will rather than letting 99.99% of us wallow in cluelessness. But that would actually make sense, so of course He won't do it.
@healedsinner
@healedsinner 8 ай бұрын
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:27‭-‬31‬ [27] And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father’s house- [28] for I have five brothers-so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.’ [29] But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ [30] And he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ [31] He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’”
@sebastianlionelmartinez6305
@sebastianlionelmartinez6305 8 ай бұрын
there are people who sadly would still choose separation from God
@mangaranwow2543
@mangaranwow2543 8 ай бұрын
@@fishofgold6553 Jesus (in John 3:12): I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?
@dai701
@dai701 8 ай бұрын
NDE...near death experiences mostly reveal a mirror image of your living belief...Christians see Christians...Buddhists see Buddhists...Muslims see Islam. In general this is the norm...interesting.
@PolymorphicPenguin
@PolymorphicPenguin 9 ай бұрын
That's an excellent point, God loves us the way we are, but He doesn't want us to stay the way we are. If religious leaders are saying, "You should just do whatever you want and sin as much as possible" there's something wrong there.
@Chamindo7
@Chamindo7 9 ай бұрын
God loves us as we are. But, He loves us too much to leave us that way. Thank God! Deus Vult
@UnbaptizedInfantsGoToHell
@UnbaptizedInfantsGoToHell 8 ай бұрын
He doesn’t love us as we are. We are basically sin itself after the Fall.
@Princess_Of_The_Most_High
@Princess_Of_The_Most_High 8 ай бұрын
@@UnbaptizedInfantsGoToHellI think that was his point if you read the whole quote. He still loves us before we are born again… He still loves US through our sin… not our sinful ways themselves but who He knows we are meant to be according to His perfect will. ❤
@UnbaptizedInfantsGoToHell
@UnbaptizedInfantsGoToHell 8 ай бұрын
@@Princess_Of_The_Most_High I mean, He loves the Elect before they are born again, but He doesn’t love the non-Elect (not in the same way at least)
@Chamindo7
@Chamindo7 8 ай бұрын
You sound like you have read and admire Calvinism.
@UnbaptizedInfantsGoToHell
@UnbaptizedInfantsGoToHell 8 ай бұрын
@@Chamindo7 I have read a lot of Augustine..
@orangemanbad
@orangemanbad 9 ай бұрын
People think affirming trans and LGBT practice is “nice” it’s actually affirming their soul will be eternally damned. That’s not nice.
@PhilAlumb
@PhilAlumb 9 ай бұрын
The same thing for Adulterers, Fornicators, Divorced People, Gamblers, Alcoholics, Abortionists.
@BigIdeaSeeker
@BigIdeaSeeker 9 ай бұрын
@@PhilAlumbEwww, divorced people. 😅
@khatack
@khatack 9 ай бұрын
The mistake they make is the same mistake you're making. They think that niceness is a virtue. What niceness really is is cowardice masquerading as virtue. Jesus was NOT nice, people forget that Jesus was a firebrand force to reckon with. People remember the Jesus of the inane stories we tell to children in religious cartoons and forget the Jesus of the Bible that drove away the moneylenders from the temple using a whip. Niceness is the very essence of choosing the easy way out, avoiding uncomfortable subjects and potential conflict and allowing problems to fester, Niceness is the most surefire way to end up in a very literal hell of your own making, both in life and in eternity. It's incredibly soul crushing to realize how many self proclaimed Christians worship this modern care-bear rainbow-land God; God is not a Teddy-Bear, God is fearsome, and if you're not mortally AFRAID of God, you do NOT truly believe in Him. To know God is to be afraid of God. The best remedy for this is to revisit the Old Testament and give it some serious thought.
@orangemanbad
@orangemanbad 9 ай бұрын
@@PhilAlumb ALL sin.
@orangemanbad
@orangemanbad 9 ай бұрын
@@khatack Jesus brought the sword. Meaning he divided many. He said himself if you don’t love him more than you love your own parents you will not have him.
@poetmaggie1
@poetmaggie1 9 ай бұрын
Everyone can go to Hell, we have to make an effort to get to Heaven.
@t.d6379
@t.d6379 8 ай бұрын
Calvanists enter the chat 😂
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 8 ай бұрын
pretty critical design flaw on god's part that one is easier than the other especially when he allegedly prefers who choose the harder one.
@robertdolcetti450
@robertdolcetti450 7 ай бұрын
I think this is less of a flaw in God and more of a flaw in us. If we are wiling to put our trust in Him, it’s not that hard to go to Heaven. His yoke is easy and His burden is light. The fact that people choose to avoid Him is more on them than anything. If God just wanted everyone in Heaven, then He wouldn’t give us any free will at all. We are given a meaningful choice. When we choose wrongly, we really only have ourselves to blame. God Himself is not harmed by this choice either. Only the damned are.
@consecratedsoul
@consecratedsoul 9 ай бұрын
“Abstain from all appearance of evil” 1 Thessalonians 5:22 St Paul pray for us.
@racheljames7
@racheljames7 9 ай бұрын
Very well said, brother. They're harsh words, but its needed, and you delivered the harsh words in a kind and gentle way.
@davideskridge9242
@davideskridge9242 8 ай бұрын
Respectfully, becoming a better (more moral) person is not a prerequisite to discovering the Church. It is a co-requisite. There's a significant difference.
@richvestal767
@richvestal767 8 ай бұрын
That depends on what you mean by "discovering the Church." Because an immoral person is not going to see the Church through the same ethical or moral framework as a moral person would. So becoming a more moral person definitely seems to be a prerequisite for discovering the Church as it actually is vs. that distorted image of the Church that is held by an immoral person.
@Thomasrice07
@Thomasrice07 8 ай бұрын
Better yet, the result
@Thomasrice07
@Thomasrice07 8 ай бұрын
you cant be a moral person without Christ. The Church is the body of Christ.@@richvestal767
@khatack
@khatack 8 ай бұрын
A better way to see it I think is that becoming a better person is not a prerequisite of faith but the result of it. Churches are mortal institutions and a such they're highly corruptible. Churches are not God's representatives for us, they're OUR representatives for God, their state revealing the state of our collective faith.
@MyCatholicBookNook
@MyCatholicBookNook 9 ай бұрын
Recovering overachiever here. Workaholism can be another form of sloth so sometimes it’s good advice to rest and prioritize health and relationships with others and God above self improvement. That being said, I agree we can’t stay stagnant and tolerate sin. But sometimes self improvement and spiritual improvement don’t look the same.
@consecratedsoul
@consecratedsoul 9 ай бұрын
The fact is that a blessing has an objective reality of its own and thus cannot be redefined at will to fit a subjective intention that is contrary to the nature of a blessing. When we bless a couple we are blessing a relationship. When that couple is engaged in a public sinful relationship and has no intention of repentance, we are blessing sin. “God cannot send his grace upon a relationship that is directly opposed to him and cannot be ordered toward him. Sexual intercourse outside of marriage, cannot bring people closer to God and therefore cannot open itself to God's blessing. Therefore, if this blessing were given, its only effect would be to confuse the people who receive it or who attend it. They would think that God has blessed what He cannot bless. This “pastoral” blessing would be neither pastoral nor a blessing” -Cardinal Muller God will not be mocked.
@blessedvirginmaryisqueen8448
@blessedvirginmaryisqueen8448 8 ай бұрын
​@harleymann2086Amen!!!
@sinfall5280
@sinfall5280 9 ай бұрын
I saw the video title and thunbnail and immediately thought "Oh good, a video I can send my mom" Wasnt expecting to get called out the first 10 seconds of the video. Thank you. You truly care and I need to make some changes.
@3ggshe11s
@3ggshe11s 9 ай бұрын
You can conform to the church or conform to the world. When the church begins to conform to the world, we're in deep trouble.
@khatack
@khatack 9 ай бұрын
If you conform to the church instead of conforming to God, you're just as lost as those who conform to the world. Worship God, not the institution created by man, run by man and ruined by man. The Church does NOT represent the power of God on earth for man, the Church represents the dedication of man to the God in heaven, and if man's dedication to God is false, so will be the Church he builds for God.
@johne.8939
@johne.8939 9 ай бұрын
@@khatackthat’s where you’re wrong haystack….. aligning with the is aligning of God……you cannot be sure the God you are aligned with is the real God without some guidance….. to think otherwise is not rational but is arrogant. BTW, the Church was created by Christ, so is a DIVINE institution.
@3ggshe11s
@3ggshe11s 9 ай бұрын
@@khatack - there should be no difference between conforming to God or to the church, as the church ought to reflect his will. That they are increasingly becoming two different things is exactly the problem.
@marvalice3455
@marvalice3455 9 ай бұрын
​@@khatackthere is nothing in this world which God does not ultimately control.
@adam12732
@adam12732 9 ай бұрын
But it will never.
@josezarraga9474
@josezarraga9474 9 ай бұрын
This is the best video tittle I've seen. Your content is great. I send you my blessings from Venezuela
@suzannelangdon
@suzannelangdon 8 ай бұрын
Brian thank you for this video, my brother took his own life and we found him Christmas Day just gone. The next day my only son who I've just found out is an addict, die in my arms but I called out to God not to take him and thanks be to God and His Holy Blessed Mother we got his heart beating again before the ambulance arrived. Me and my deceased brother were not in contact with my parents, they were very abusive to us as children and as adults. I had to speak to them for the sake of my brothers wake and funeral. I've been wondering why God hit me so hard in two short days and I was thinking that it's to bring me closer to Him and bring Him to my parents before they leave this world. I totally understand that souls are saved through suffering and this is the suffering that will save my soul and my sons soul and please God my parents as well 🙏 I really needed to hear this message today. Thank you for listening to Christ and letting God love people through you and your channel. God bless you and everyone here. I beg you and everyone here to keep me and my son in your prayers, God can break addiction in the blink of an eye 🥰
@tolkienlewis6887
@tolkienlewis6887 8 ай бұрын
I am so sorry for your loss and pain. At the same time in awe that you are seeing what God is doing. Blessings on you. I will pray for you and your son.
@suzannelangdon
@suzannelangdon 8 ай бұрын
@@tolkienlewis6887 thank you so much for your kind words and prayers they are really appreciated. I'm in awe too that God has helped me see His Blessed Beautiful Hand in my life at the minute. Trusting Him is harder than the suffering and I have been praying the last year for the Grace to Trust Him above all else. The Lord is Faithful and Will Give us what we ask, if it's for the good of our souls. I'm going through the fast track lesson for Trusting Him and I know that He Will Carry me through 🙏 I will also keep you in my prayers. God bless you and your family.
@tolkienlewis6887
@tolkienlewis6887 8 ай бұрын
@@suzannelangdon your words and faith strengthen my faith. What you write is so true and we all struggle to trust. We will pray for one another and j greatly appreciate your promise to pray for my family. Have a blessed Sunday 🙌
@suzannelangdon
@suzannelangdon 8 ай бұрын
@@tolkienlewis6887 isn't that what faith is all about, our Communion with each other. The Lord's Prayer starts with "Our Father" not "my Father". Your words of kindness and encouragement are nourishment. You and yours are now in my prayers before bed 🙏 please God we'll meet in heaven, I'll be eternally grateful for your prayers. God bless you and your whole family my friend 🙏
@tolkienlewis6887
@tolkienlewis6887 8 ай бұрын
@@suzannelangdon and you and your son. I hope a reconciliation with your parents will be possible 🙏
@cwthomas
@cwthomas 9 ай бұрын
Listening to this I suddenly realized the contradiction of the "Jesus did it all so you don't have to do anything except rest in that fact." It's essentially the same as saying "Don't pick up your cross because Jesus picked up everybody's cross when he carried his." Which of course isn't remotely what happened or what he said.
@wendyfield7708
@wendyfield7708 9 ай бұрын
St.John of the Cross said at the end of life we will be judged on LOVE, not by other people’ s opinions and judgments. +
@josephanuga2543
@josephanuga2543 8 ай бұрын
I once posted a comment on one of your videos saying that you are one of the clearest voices of reason from the West in our times and someone replied that he pitied my country which is in Africa. I remain as persuaded now as I was then. Here you are teaching truths that the Pope appears not to grasp. Truths that are integral to the Catholic faith!.... I'm grateful you made this video. Keep up the good work and may our Lord and our Lady be with you and your family always.
@tolkienlewis6887
@tolkienlewis6887 8 ай бұрын
Many of us in the West are grateful to Africa and its wonderful bishops.
@kimfleury
@kimfleury 8 ай бұрын
May the next Pope be a holy man from Africa!
@Avinkwep
@Avinkwep 9 ай бұрын
I agree with the start of the video but disagree that playing video games is a waste. It stimulates the brain more than watching a movie, challenges our puzzle solving, creates hand eye coordination, and multiplayer games can create lasting friendships and bring together existing ones easier than making in person plans
@shawnboahene5231
@shawnboahene5231 9 ай бұрын
True, but we need to do things in moderation. It’s just an easy example.
@jntwyatt
@jntwyatt 8 ай бұрын
You’re a very good communicator. I love the way you articulate and present your thoughts.
@FSR431
@FSR431 9 ай бұрын
Faith in Christ is accessible to everyone. Repentance is the only thing we need. It's not like we have to reach an unreachable level. the Church in the mercy of Christ has the bar only 6 inches off the ground. It's not a huge jump, but only a simple step.
@khatack
@khatack 9 ай бұрын
How do we repent if we do not understand that we're sinners? How do we understand that we're sinners if we do not understand that what we do and what we desire is sinful? Repentance is not the only thing we need, we need a whole lot of other things before we can even get that far. IF you are to do God's work here on earth and save souls of fellow men, you need to first have the humility to understand that sin is not so easily overcome, faith is not so easily discovered and prideful arrogance not so easily dismantled. Most Christians fail in their basic duty to God precisely because in their arrogance they're blind to their own sin and blind to the struggles of others. They're like the Pharisee who thanked God in their prayers that they're not like the sinful publican, thinking they were so much better, rather than being like the sinful publican who sought forgiveness. Do NOT discount the monumental struggle against sin, nor how difficult it is for a sinner to reach that bar even if it is only 6 inches off the ground. If you're honest to yourself you will find times you cannot even reach that bar yourself; saying that you repent and truly repenting in your heart are two VERY different things.
@FSR431
@FSR431 8 ай бұрын
@@khatack you are right repentance isn't the only thing you need but it is the first. The first step is the acknowledgement that there is sin in our life and that are willing to turn to God for forgiveness. That is the "6 inches" off the ground that we can recognize our sin and acknowledge it before God, confess, and begin the process of the healing from sin. It's about personal response to God. You are correct to say that there is a monumental struggle against sin. It is, in fact, impossible to overcome your sin which is why God became man to overcome your sins for you. This is why the Catholic faith is a religion of Grace. Grace is the life of God that Christ gives you through His forgiveness and comes to you to give you new life. You aren't meant to overcome your sin by your own power but by his love.
@UnbaptizedInfantsGoToHell
@UnbaptizedInfantsGoToHell 8 ай бұрын
Faith and repentance are not accessible to everyone. correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth ~ 2 Timothy 2:25 He “may perhaps”. Not: “Hey, I am definitely open to give it to everybody”. Also, Philippians 2:13 says that it is God who works in us to will and to act. So it depends upon Gods willingness, in order for us to even will. That’s why we pray for somebody’s salvation, like Paul in Romans 10:1. Praying for somebody’s salvation doesn’t make sense if people have to autonomously respond to or cooperate with God, since how can God save them then? God would have no control over it I recommend all of Augustines anti-Pelagian work, but most specifically his two works against Julian of Eclanum.
@tolkienlewis6887
@tolkienlewis6887 8 ай бұрын
I might for the first time have understood the part in the Bible where the man not wearing a wedding garment is evicted from the wedding feast.
@killianmiller6107
@killianmiller6107 8 ай бұрын
“All are welcome” and “come as you are” are both important elements of the Church’s pastoral mission. God wishes that all will repent and be saved, and they usually do not repent if they don’t think they are welcome in the hospital for sinners. But of course, while sick people are welcome, sickness is not welcome in a hospital. You don’t go to a hospital if you have no intention of getting better. How do we help them want to get better? We must show them what it’s like to be healthy, that’s evangelism.
@Zeero3846
@Zeero3846 8 ай бұрын
I'll accept that the slogans aren't outright wrong or even evil, and I'm not even saying that they need to be paired with anything else (although maybe they should), but the parish or group that says these things need to conduct themselves in a manner that actively, openly, and explicitly demonstrates the power of repentance and accountability to life ordered in Christ. They can't just be social groups, which is exactly why slogans like "all are welcome" and "come as you are" become corrupted and has largely not convinced sinners to seek the Church for God's mercy, not even realizing the purpose of His grace that He still offers despite their choices. Yes, all are welcome to come as they are. That's how anyone starts, and the Church does give them a place to go, but sometimes her children have a bad habit of convincing others that it may not be worth the sacrifice. Don't get me wrong, I understand why we sometimes do that, and it's not simply because we are just trying to be nice, but we understand the reality that for some people, their journey involves a sacrifice and a life change that we were blessed to never have to endure, and that is a difficult thing to demand of someone who is so spiritually impoverished.
@Tatkirbologna
@Tatkirbologna 6 ай бұрын
It’s always good to listen to religious people talk about an argument for their religion. It helps me to remember that it’s not true. What a loving God sending people to burn for all eternity just because there is not sufficient proof to prove that the God of the Bible is real. The same standard exist in Islam and yet Christians don’t convert to Islam.
@Colddirector
@Colddirector Ай бұрын
Honestly, Christianity would be more defensible if it was just lights out for nonbelievers after death. Of course, they'd lose the coercive power the threat of Hell poses, but at least then choosing Jesus would be an actual choice.
@evancawley3236
@evancawley3236 8 ай бұрын
I'm that student watching this video 😂😂
@Zeero3846
@Zeero3846 8 ай бұрын
A simple way to think about it that all are welcome in a gym, and you are free to come as you are, but even a gym has rules about what you come there for (especially if you're trying to cause trouble to prove some point), and a good gym will also prevent you from using equipment in a way that is highly unsafe, but ultimately, it is understood that everyone is there to exercise, strengthen, and maintain themselves. Anything that disrupts that purpose is likely going to get you kicked out, and no one, except those doing the disrupting, finds that unreasonable or unfair.
@danamalar
@danamalar 8 ай бұрын
*Brian, don't you understand the Bible parable, where the King invites all the people in peripheries to His Son's wedding feast, here the invitation doesn't remove the requirement of a wedding garment. Likewise The church invites those who are in irregular situations, that shouldn't be construed as " Come as you are , stay as you are "* where and when a Papal teaching invites the people like you said ? You are lying and spreading a scandal by insinuating totally wrong intentions to the Papal teachings and for the Mercy of God. Who is not a sinner before God , are you? Pl introspect, repent and understand the ways of God's love and the ways of The Holy Spirit.
@07triman
@07triman 3 ай бұрын
The king invited to the banquet the rabble, this misfits, those who were considered 'other' Jesus honored the inclusion of the folks who were considered unworthy by people like you. Though Jesus says the greatest commandment is love, the evangelical belief in eternal torture has hijacked what Jesus wanted most - that we love. Instead you have mistakenly believed that the way to love the marginalized is by confronting them. The people Jesus consistently confronted were the conservative religious traditionalists who cast aside the marginalized and made them feel unwelcome in the church.
@delux0365
@delux0365 8 ай бұрын
There's nothing wrong with the phrase, it's just incomplete. It should be "come as you are, leave a better person."
@LeoOrlando-yd2ut
@LeoOrlando-yd2ut 8 ай бұрын
I ALWAYS am aware I can and should be a better person. Holiness is a hike uphill, not a walk in the park.
@tolkienlewis6887
@tolkienlewis6887 8 ай бұрын
Wonderfully presented. The current word from Rome is for me lazy theology. I belueve Bonhoeffer called it "cheap grace".
@cucumber9864
@cucumber9864 8 ай бұрын
I love this video. As an educator, I always question myself if I should be gently pushing my students to reach greater heights. Now I know what I am doing is right and I don't have to wrestle with my conscience on this anymore.
@brigidmartin
@brigidmartin 9 ай бұрын
Keep going to Mass, pray for our Church and remember this is all a distraction from the financial corruption going on in The Vatican
@Normal-u5w
@Normal-u5w 9 ай бұрын
Only a Calvinist devil could think them selves to be more clever then the Vatican
@Metanoia000
@Metanoia000 9 ай бұрын
That’s a complete stretch, I don’t know how you even connect the 2 lol
@marvalice3455
@marvalice3455 9 ай бұрын
​@@Metanoia000there are no coincidences. They simply don't exist. That said, just because everything is connected doesn't mean it's connected in a particular way. So it could just as easily be that difficult sorts of corruption have a common cause, rather than one inspiring the other
@vivacristorey4363
@vivacristorey4363 9 ай бұрын
Everything you said in the first half of the video was true. But the implication made that the magisterial document on blessings is asking for people to come as they are without repentance is bearing false witness. The blessing itself, as the document says, is intended to assist those who desire to fix their lives. Those who are trying or wish to try and simply ask for extra graces should not be turned down.
@sliglusamelius8578
@sliglusamelius8578 9 ай бұрын
You are bearing false witness. Section III of Fiducia Supplicans says "blessing of couples". And the newly released document doubles down on that. And James Martin SJ gleefully does just that all over social media, proving that this is a blessing of same sex couples as couples. Gaslighting is the same as lying.
@TheXone7
@TheXone7 8 ай бұрын
I totally agree. Modern traditionalists are becoming very similar to reformers. They do not recognize the role of Holy Spirit in nowadays Church and want to do things how they want.
@sliglusamelius8578
@sliglusamelius8578 8 ай бұрын
You are bearing false witness. The document calls for blessings of couples as couples.
@sliglusamelius8578
@sliglusamelius8578 8 ай бұрын
@@TheXone7 Modern leftists want to remake the Church in their own image.
@sliglusamelius8578
@sliglusamelius8578 8 ай бұрын
@harleymann2086 The magisterium did not write the document, nor did they sign off on the document. In fact, much of the magisterium is currently in open revolt against the document. The document and James Martin SJ behavior both refer to and demonstrate blessings of couples as couples.
@johncox2284
@johncox2284 8 ай бұрын
St Paul makes it clear that we are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. He describes it as a race that needs to be finished. Jesus Himself says that we are to conform to the efaith, not the other way round.
@andyhandy997
@andyhandy997 8 ай бұрын
Today is the first Saturday of the month. Do the first Saturday devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, requested by Her Majesty at Fatima.
@Topazdemonia
@Topazdemonia 8 ай бұрын
Wow what a loving god you worship
@christophlindinger2267
@christophlindinger2267 9 ай бұрын
A little more generous? That's not what Jesus calls you to do, Brian. Read the encounter of the Rich Young Ruler with Jesus... Just read it, don't try to explain away what Jesus says. But excessive wealth for some while many suffer extreme poverty isn't an issue for, isn't it? No sin to talk about...
@Vezmus1337
@Vezmus1337 9 ай бұрын
Giving someone a blessing is not the same as saying they are perfect. The whole point of a blessing is that it is help from God. Without God's grace, nobody is going to Heaven.
@sliglusamelius8578
@sliglusamelius8578 9 ай бұрын
You said "giving someone" a blessing, singular. But we already knew that, and now we are being told that couples should be blessed as couples, even if they are in a sinful coupling relationship. That's new, and we don't all wanna go along with that. If I presented to a priest with my pet donkey, and told the priest that my donkey and I are a couple, can we have your blessing.....what would he say? "But we just want God's grace in our relationship!" We know what Bergoglio and Fernandez are doing. It's a blessing of a sinful coupling.
@henryslatt9041
@henryslatt9041 9 ай бұрын
Brian why are you suggesting the church is a liar and giving voice to the kingdom of hell? You increasingly seem to be spreading heresy
@BrianHoldsworth
@BrianHoldsworth 8 ай бұрын
I said no such thing. I said "If the Church...". It was hypothetical.
@henryslatt9041
@henryslatt9041 8 ай бұрын
It can’t be a hypothetical because it is impossible. At the minimum you are saying it’s a possibility which is heresy
@peter-pi8bc
@peter-pi8bc 8 ай бұрын
To love truly requires the courage to rebuke and to punish.
@rosecotton2991
@rosecotton2991 8 ай бұрын
Well said, thank you!
@Justeelisjust
@Justeelisjust 9 ай бұрын
Fiducia supplicans is not denying that the change is necessary. It shines a light on scenarios where an individual or a pair of people asks spiritional strength to change from God. This supernatural help would be poured by God in a form pastoral blessing.
@sliglusamelius8578
@sliglusamelius8578 9 ай бұрын
No, it specifically says blessing as a couple. We don't all want to see priests blessing sinful couplings.
@Justeelisjust
@Justeelisjust 8 ай бұрын
@@sliglusamelius8578 couple = pair of people
@sliglusamelius8578
@sliglusamelius8578 8 ай бұрын
@@Justeelisjust Keep gaslighting. It's clear to all that if I approach a priest with my wife and ask for his "blessing", that we are asking for a blessing for our relationship. If I wanted a personal blessing, I would not approach with my wife. Also, he would not bless us simultaneously if it were individual.
@Justeelisjust
@Justeelisjust 8 ай бұрын
@@sliglusamelius8578 blessing doesn't always mean approval! And the document is also clear about this. What do you benefit from willingly interpreting the document's message as a total opposite?
@sliglusamelius8578
@sliglusamelius8578 8 ай бұрын
@@Justeelisjust It's convenient that I am a native English speaker and understand the plain meaning of their texts as written: III. Blessings of Couples in Irregular Situations and of Couples of the Same Sex 31. "Within the horizon outlined here appears the possibility of blessings for couples in irregular situations and for couples of the same sex, the form of which should not be fixed ritually by ecclesial authorities to avoid producing confusion with the blessing proper to the Sacrament of Marriage." Section 4 of the clarification statement: "The real novelty of this Declaration, the one that requires a generous effort of reception and from which no one should declare themselves excluded, is not the possibility of blessing couples in irregular situations. It is the invitation to distinguish between two different forms of blessings: “liturgical or ritualized” and “spontaneous or pastoral”. So they are merely saying that there cannot be a liturgy attached to the blessing of the COUPLE. The COUPLE is being blessed as a COUPLE. But no LITURGY is attached to the blessing of the COUPLE. We are not stupid. James Martin SJ proves by his actions that they are lying.
@albertoascari2542
@albertoascari2542 8 ай бұрын
Very good talk
@izic6450
@izic6450 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for making this video, god bless you Brian!
@thedon978
@thedon978 9 ай бұрын
And, in hell, everyone “loves” you just as you are; no need to repent and change your ways…
@solesurvivor7989
@solesurvivor7989 8 ай бұрын
Assuming hell mentioned in the Bible is a state of mind and that it doesn't necessarily have to be a literal Dante's Inferno to make other people fear you for not interpreting the Bible the same way you do does it?
@Netheferious
@Netheferious 6 ай бұрын
The fact that this pisses me off proves that I needed to hear it. Thanks.
@Jean_sans_peur
@Jean_sans_peur 9 ай бұрын
Read : The little number of those who are saved by St. Leonard of Port Maurice. Adjust your life accordingly ✌🏼
@TheXone7
@TheXone7 8 ай бұрын
Church welcomes all, yes...come as you are, but does not mean hell as some trads present. There is a BIG part of work done by Holy Spirit after they come. Don't forget about this part, because then you are not far from sedevacantists.
@SandraVonRR
@SandraVonRR 8 ай бұрын
Thank you, Brian, I, for one, definitely got your message. GOD bless you!
@Westyrulz
@Westyrulz 8 ай бұрын
Missed Mass today. First time in 20 years. Not sure if I will ever go back. If Sodomy is no longer a mortal sin how can missing Mass possibly be a Mortal Sin.
@kimfleury
@kimfleury 8 ай бұрын
In all seriousness, why did you bother to go to Mass for the past 20 years? If you don't believe you meet your Lord and Savior at the altar, why did you ever go?
@Westyrulz
@Westyrulz 8 ай бұрын
@@kimfleury Because I believed everything the Church taught. Now that the Sin that cries out for vengeance for has been given the 👍 thumbs up how can anyone possibly believe anything the Church has taught? How can something be true for 2,000 years and then not up to 3 weeks ago?
@jslizzle84
@jslizzle84 8 ай бұрын
The church has never taught that. Sodomy is still one of the four sins that cry out to heaven. New Revelation died with St. Paul, come back to mass my friend, find a reverent parish that emphasizes truth.
@GranMaese
@GranMaese 8 ай бұрын
Well said, Brian. And that's part of the beauty of blessings, to help those in need find sanctity in their lives and overcome their sinful ways. Blessing a sinner doesn't mean one is blessing or pampering their sin, but having faith they'll find the necessary strength to change their lives for good and be saved.
@MM22272
@MM22272 8 ай бұрын
Brian, problem is: not every clergyman believes what you're talking about.
@kimfleury
@kimfleury 8 ай бұрын
Pray for them. We get the priests we pray for, and if we don't pray for them, we get the priests we deserve. That's why Jesus said to get the log out of your own eye before trying to work on getting the speck out of someone else's eye. That includes the laity's thoughts about the clergy.
@MM22272
@MM22272 8 ай бұрын
@@kimfleury I'm not so sold on the premise that we get the priests we pray for. Jesus prays for them, but it doesn't workout so well, because He also grants free will. I've spent over 30 years praying and fasting, but now I accept the mediocrity and cowarďliness. I'm tired. If God really wants to change things, it's His work. My efforts did t amount to much and I'm glad to detach myself from it a d let it go. It's too stressful to cling to a fruitless investment. No problem. I accept their free-will and His.
@BaneMcDeath
@BaneMcDeath Ай бұрын
What if I want GOD's wrath & hatred towards me in the extreme? So much that it wants to destroy me or torture me worse than an infinite lake of fires x infinite in the extent of pain & suffering that is promised there? I mean, why dodge the topic? Some souls should be tortured and destroyed because they can't believe or rather refuse to believe this GOD is what is written. I'm but one soul. Meaningless in a sea of infinite souls (if you take account of infinite dimensions, parallel existences, cruxes in time etc). There are an infinite varieties of ME alone across the eternity of infinity be those worlds within worlds, cosmic expanses of big bangs cascading through time like fireworks in GOD's parlor, anything. What is but one? Others might make it important, but the OMNIPRESENT, OMNIPOTENT, OMNISCIENT GOD already knows. Who the hell is anyone else to judge? What takes place between self and GOD will always be a personal matter. Be my mind polluted by others at this point is irrelevant. All that matters now is facing this CREATOR GOD and pushing its fury beyond the maximum any other has ever tried. Because it is there and I seriously doubt anyone else will. I get nothing for it but pain, anguish, suffering, torment and worse. And I sure won't quit until vengeance is satisfied in this anomaly and toxic creation relationship. And if I can, maybe just maybe GOD will erase me EVER from existence including from its OMNIPRESENCE & OMNISCIENCE. Utter and total erase. A collapse of a creation to nothingness. And no one will ever know and certainly not care or acknowledge because I never was, am, or will be. May God have vengeance & destroy my soul.
@llamaluvr
@llamaluvr 9 ай бұрын
"All good things come through sacrifice" is so easily abused without some limiting principle to identify that not all sacrifice is good. It's not a given that a parent stressing healthy eating and exercise has a child's best interests in mind. Over-emphasis of these "good" sacrifices has quite often lead to body image issues, anorexia, and worse. Over-emphasis on the "goods" of prayer, confession, sacraments can manifest in sometimes debilitating religious OCD. The link between rejection by families and communities and increased rates of depression and suicide in LGBTQ folks is well-established. Far from there being some obvious line where this messaging results only in healthy introspection and positive changes, high control religion makes it possible, nigh easy, to justify inflicting even severe temporal harm, too-often including child abuse, under the premise that it's justified by an eternal good to be realized later.
@MikeDPV01
@MikeDPV01 8 ай бұрын
The Roman Catholic church does not believe its call to inclusivity and it's welcome to bless and walk with the people, most especially those in need of grace, will lead "all" souls to Christ. Indeed that is an individual's right to choose. But by walking with our brothers and sisters, whoever they may be, however sinful they may be, like you and me, the church will have dialogue with all people in the hope of conversion.
@kimfleury
@kimfleury 8 ай бұрын
It should be honest dialogue. Not deceitful.
@Catholicity-uw2yb
@Catholicity-uw2yb 26 күн бұрын
ST. PADRE PIO: “You must have boundless faith in the divine goodness, for the victory is absolutely certain. How could you think otherwise? Isn’t our God more concerned about our salvation than we are ourselves? Isn’t he stronger than hell itself? Who can ever resist and overcome the King of the heavens? What are the world, the devil, the flesh and all our enemies before the Lord?” ST. PADRE PIO: “I trust Jesus so completely that even if I were so see hell open up before me, and find myself on the brink of the abyss, I should not lose confidence. I should not despair but continue to trust Him. Such is the extent to which His meekness inspires me.”
@ricardoheredia7307
@ricardoheredia7307 9 ай бұрын
BRILLIANT!!!!!
@Isaac_El_Khoury
@Isaac_El_Khoury 8 ай бұрын
Mr. Holdsworth, would you consider making a video on "the fewness of the saved"? I think you could articulate that very well as this is something that must be brought to the light more.
@diegoborges3716
@diegoborges3716 8 ай бұрын
We pray in the Rosary, as our Holy Virgin asked: "lead all souls to Heaven". Which doesn't mean that no one goes to hell. And many, many souls will be saved, but a long and painful purgatory awaits for them.
@StNicolausVI
@StNicolausVI 8 ай бұрын
Brian I am not trolling here I seriously have two questions. I am Traditional Catholic, playing a bit of Devil’s advocate. Firstly, working out at the gym is in and of itself an occasion of sin; most secular people work out to look good for their partner(s) and they take steroids. There are women dressed scandalously there. Everyone at the gym wants to fornicate. And I myself have experienced greater temptations of sexual pleasure when taking pre-workout, creatine and protein shakes. I cannot imagine even a Catholic women NOT being sexually attracted to a fit and muscular Catholic man, the same that a Catholic and secular man are attracted to the female figure. Can you present a case where working out is NOT for sexual pleasure, in this day and age where men are no longer warriors? (Especially when you told them to go read books). I have talked to dozens of men and women both Catholic and not, and they agree having a good body is physically and sexually attractive. I then do not know how to reprogram my brain to allow for this type of sexual desire because I categorize it as lust not love. In fact an argument can be made even via the Trent Cathechism that we all are born in sin of lust even under marriage. Marriage is the constraining of our lust to one person only in the presence of God. It’s not love; love is as you describe, wishing the best for the person even when that means they should leave you for a better husband who works out at the gym more. Secondly; I hear Catholics say “become a Saint” all the time. And I get frustrated because a canonized Saint 95% or more of the time is a CELEBATE priest or nun. That means to be a Saint, you have to refrain from sex and go through the process of the Sacrament of Holy Orders. Are you simply saying that all people in heaven are Saints? I have never heard this. A Saint is a canonized Saint not simply a random person in Heaven. They have not performed miracles and they gave in to lust in the form of the Sacrament of Marriage instead. How do you explain that people should work out so they can look sexually attractive to women, and then go become a canonized Saint by not having sex with a women that likes your six pack? My answers would be yes; working out is so you can lift things and move your children and fight but you cannot escape the fact that most people work out to get a partner that likes to have sex with them. It is lust and it should be restrained in marriage, but by doing so you give up the potential to enter religious life and become a canonized saint. You cannot do both.
@bobjenkins3rd
@bobjenkins3rd 8 ай бұрын
It really depends the type of workout and setting. On my lunch breaks, I’d do barefoot sprints in a field. The next day I’d fast and do squats, planks, pushups, and pull ups in a park. Relaxing walk the next day. Passersby might notice me and have a brief hello or conversation but certainly not temptation. I suppose my advice would be to appreciate God’s creation while exercising and follow strict fasting rules. You won’t be huge and that’s ok.
@StNicolausVI
@StNicolausVI 8 ай бұрын
@@bobjenkins3rd Fair enough; you can work-out from home and outside, and you can do cardio and calisthenics all day but not everyone can afford a set of weights or exercise from home (roommates and landlords forbidding or complaining). Still I wonder what is your aim when you exercise? Why? (Just curious about your motivation, I understand most reasons are obvious). Btw, I love fasting on Fridays (only water/tea/coffee no sugar/cream added) but I try to keep it a secret, lol.
@bobjenkins3rd
@bobjenkins3rd 8 ай бұрын
@@StNicolausVI general health including getting sufficient daily sunlight and nightly sleep. Mostly following the “primal blueprint” diet which also incorporates some lifestyle changes. My immune system is waaay stronger after making those changes. Primary reason for me personally though is injury prevention which enables me to participate in more fun activities, play with my kids like a kid, etc. I have a long history of injuries and surgeries so regular physical therapy is essential just to stay normal. Mind, body, and spirit for me are very connected. I tend to fail or succeed on all fronts together. Productivity and flexibility with my time since I don’t need to eat every few hours and the primal blueprint exercise plan is part of unlocking that. I could go on lol but you get the idea.
@bobjenkins3rd
@bobjenkins3rd 8 ай бұрын
@@StNicolausVI by the way, weights aren’t required either. Push your car in parking lot in neutral facing it and facing away from it. Go to a park with bars. Lift a rock. I pull my kids around fast in the back yard in a hunting sled lol. Real movements tend to be more functional than isolated stuff with weights anyway. Combining balance with strength uses less or no weight as well… single leg deadlift or squat on a balance board for instance. Jumping exercises.
@oscarv.7326
@oscarv.7326 Ай бұрын
Brilliant! I really appreciate Brian's clever, polite, and wise arguments on every topic. He hits the nail on the head. Greetings from Spain
@AlixInCambridge
@AlixInCambridge 8 ай бұрын
Come as you are, but definitely don’t stay and end up as you are.
@peterliggett5233
@peterliggett5233 9 ай бұрын
Yes if you are physically fit you can unretire over the age of 65. The oldest truck driver, regional driving unretired at 67 and drove till the age of 92..
@Llyrin
@Llyrin 6 ай бұрын
I’ve always used that term is a different manner. Indeed, I’ve often said the Lord is a “come as you are” God. But I’m so saying, I mean that it is the invitation to come to worship. Come to the house of God, open your heart to Jesus, listen to what He has to say. The Lord doesn’t care what you look like, how much you weight, or what clothes you’re wearing. That doesn’t mean there isn’t work involved. The Lord will ask things if you, but the invitation goes out to all, and all are welcome to come as they are.
@gregozzello4688
@gregozzello4688 8 ай бұрын
Look, all the comments agree with you here, which should be the biggest red flag that you’re now on the wrong path man. Is this the content you think serves Christ? You’ve gone down a dark path brother. Christ didn’t come for the righteous, he came for the sick. Try to remember that again.
@therese_paula
@therese_paula 9 ай бұрын
So, in heaven, all are invited...but entrance is conditional.
@The_Rad_Trad
@The_Rad_Trad 8 ай бұрын
Yes?
@magikarp2063
@magikarp2063 8 ай бұрын
I agree with the video but it seems to try to say the recent document about blessings is saying that the people blessed don't need to change when the blessing is explicitly described as something that should help the people recognize their sins and help them to change? But maybe I'm wrong and he's not talking about the document itself but how people are spinning it and similar things.
@harmonygordon6901
@harmonygordon6901 8 ай бұрын
Excellent video
@JesusRodriguez-gu1wv
@JesusRodriguez-gu1wv 8 ай бұрын
The Protestant position seems to be the same, with forgiveness full forgiveness, and continual forgiveness being given through faith. The sanctification process is not being the core of salvation.
@tomthx5804
@tomthx5804 9 ай бұрын
I hope Pope Francis does not listen to this. He will freak.
@khatack
@khatack 9 ай бұрын
The Pope is not God's representative for man, he is man's representative for God. One look at the pope will reveal the sorry state of the faith of man.
@dimetriwatt7334
@dimetriwatt7334 9 ай бұрын
@@khatack Take that up with Christ.
@MartyMcFly1085
@MartyMcFly1085 5 ай бұрын
The cognitive contortion required to rationalize hell as justice is just striking. You’re like a serial killer calmly discussing how the only victims you have are those that CHOSE to be in wrong place, sure you killed them, but it’s because you loved them, right?
@suesmith9665
@suesmith9665 8 ай бұрын
To come as you are is to not fear the consequences of past into the future does not mean you wont be condemn by hell or heaven. No one knows god for no one know the law of nature and men is behind religion obviously. Work of the hand accept all that he or she encounters.
@youtubeKathy
@youtubeKathy 9 ай бұрын
can you do some content on the fewness of the saved?
@suesmith9665
@suesmith9665 8 ай бұрын
You are a devoted catholic, stay there where it make sense dont go trying to hack my brain or accept my words. To be or not to be......
@toxicharm7239
@toxicharm7239 9 ай бұрын
I thought the same thing today when I saw a downtown store with its door smashed in and boarded up with a sticker saying "all are welcome" with a rain ow background.
@FanofAslan
@FanofAslan 8 ай бұрын
"Unless you do X, you will not inherit the Kindom..." is a warning that everyone falls short every day, and that we need the righteousness of Christ imputed to us. Changes in our behaviour result from accepting that amazing gift. The change in us is born of divine love bestowed on us subsequently requited.
@solesurvivor7989
@solesurvivor7989 8 ай бұрын
My issue is that I'm taking Logos Spermatikos too far and enjoying Pagan aesthetics that I like like the music and good ideas of spirituality that aren't contradictory to the Logos and because I take my skepticism too far and I rarely agree with Christians anymore yet Christ and His teachings are still the most Holy and perfect thing we have and He is the only true eternal imperfect Divine masculine to worship it would seem and atheists also seem to go too far with dogmatic skepticism while pagans go too far with nature and death worship rather than veneration and respect those are my only issues and I don't know what Heaven and Hell means based on reading the Bible and hearing Christian's talking about it all day because we're all agnostic towards death and sin seems so subjective
@TCM1231
@TCM1231 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for providing the music you use in the description I have always loved the sound
@nicolassimoni6205
@nicolassimoni6205 8 ай бұрын
Hey Lay People, Catholic Evangelization meets people where they are at, builds relationships, and then shares the truth in love (Jesus) and gradually teaches the Tradition, Catechism and Vatican Documents. Jesus brings Salvation (Healing). Brian, you are a good man and I care about you but make sure you are solid and listening to your Archbishop and following the path of the Saints. I highly recommend Companion of the Cross Faith Formation training for you in these challenging times. It will take work, but it's needed to be more effective and proper. Reach out if you have questions; united in the Holy Spirit. Praying for you and may our Blessed Mother intercede for you and your family always.
@BrianHoldsworth
@BrianHoldsworth 8 ай бұрын
If there's something lacking in my formation, it would be more helpful to identify it, don't you think? If I've said something that is wrong, then it should be possible to offer that clarification. Vaguely asserting that I'm not formed properly is not a helpful correction.
@catholicguy1073
@catholicguy1073 8 ай бұрын
Fantastic topic you covered today. 🙏
@mschmidt1645
@mschmidt1645 8 ай бұрын
This is what I needed to hear today. I need to get better with this.
@ourladyofclearwater
@ourladyofclearwater 8 ай бұрын
Brian, I agree with everything you say here, except you have a misunderstanding on Fiducia supplicans 👌 Pope Francis approved the *Invocative Blessing* of the individuals in same sex unions as a request for help from God, in the same way a Priest blesses a house with a poltergeist/demon in it I.e. Demonic Infestation 👌 You're confusing that with *Constitutive Blessings* which is a Blessing of approval for something sacred character and set apart for divine service 🙌 So Fiducia supplicans is *not* a blessing of approval, but a blessing for a request for help ☦
@xiomarablanco5598
@xiomarablanco5598 8 ай бұрын
Excellent reflection! We all have the potential of being better or being bad, our choice!
@MM22272
@MM22272 8 ай бұрын
Here is a theme song for what appears to be the general moral outlook of at least some of the clergy: Let the good times roll Let them knock you around Let the good times roll Let them make you a clown Let them leave you up in the air Let them brush your rock and roll hair Let the good times roll Let the good times roll-oll Let the (good times roll) Let the stories be told Let them say what they want Let the photos be old Let them show what they want Let them leave you up in the air Let them brush your rock and roll hair Let the good times roll Let the good times roll-oll Won't you let the (good times roll) If the illusion is real Let them give you a ride If they got thunder appeal Let them be on your side Let them leave you up in the air Let them brush your rock and roll hair Let the good times roll Won't you let the good times roll-oll Let the (good times roll) Let the good times roll Won't you let the good times roll Well let the good times roll Let it roll (good times roll) Let the good times roll Ooh let the good times roll Ooh let the good times roll Let 'em roll (good times roll) Well, let the good times roll (Let the good times roll) Ooh let the good times roll Good times roll (the good times roll) Let the good times roll Let 'em roll
@dabhidhm4093
@dabhidhm4093 9 ай бұрын
Great video, thank you. Dumb question: Where do you get your waistcoats? I want one.
@bobjenkins3rd
@bobjenkins3rd 8 ай бұрын
Go to a tailor and have him make one for you. They’re notoriously hard to fit otherwise.
@joaniesart
@joaniesart 8 ай бұрын
Well said. Thank you.
@cularos
@cularos 8 ай бұрын
You should definitely start exercising.
@semp223
@semp223 7 ай бұрын
The liberal theology is where the Catholic Church is heading.
@tensorfeld295
@tensorfeld295 8 ай бұрын
Without the sacraments it is impossible to change. So how should the a priori excluded people be able to change? It is not our own power and will that transforms us (sin of pride). We only can cooperate with the grace. We also have to consider the fact that original sin is not distributed equally.
@tensorfeld295
@tensorfeld295 8 ай бұрын
Extreme example: a schizophrenic homeless person vs successful businessman
@trismegistus2881
@trismegistus2881 9 ай бұрын
It is wrong to justify sinful behaviour but it is also wrong to condemn what is permissible. The clarification to Fiducia Supplicans of January 4 again states clearly that no doctrine has been changed, that no sinful union can ever be blessed, that no blessing can seem to imitate marriage... Yes, a priest can bless an irregular couple, but not in the way of James Martin or the German bishops. For me, Pope Francis and the Vatican are still orthodox (at least in Fiducia supplicans), and those wrongfully accusing them are undermining the unity of the Church.
@consecratedsoul
@consecratedsoul 9 ай бұрын
The fact is that a blessing has an objective reality of its own and thus cannot be redefined at will to fit a subjective intention that is contrary to the nature of a blessing. When we bless a couple we are blessing a relationship. When that couple is engaged in a public sinful relationship and has no intention of repentance, we are blessing sin. “God cannot send his grace upon a relationship that is directly opposed to him and cannot be ordered toward him. Sexual intercourse outside of marriage, cannot bring people closer to God and therefore cannot open itself to God's blessing. Therefore, if this blessing were given, its only effect would be to confuse the people who receive it or who attend it. They would think that God has blessed what He cannot bless. This “pastoral” blessing would be neither pastoral nor a blessing” -Cardinal Muller God will not be mocked.
@aaronvt9980
@aaronvt9980 9 ай бұрын
​​@consecratedsoul You're making a lot of assertions here. Care to site some sources regarding blessing a couple necessarily blessing their relationship?
@MystieK_
@MystieK_ 9 ай бұрын
@consecratedsoul I always find it interesting how people feel they have speak on behalf of God. He is incapable of Judging himself so I have to do it on his behalf on issues because I know what God consider a mockery of himself more than He does
@kevinezema6159
@kevinezema6159 9 ай бұрын
​@@consecratedsoulMay I ask why in your part of the world, the divorced and remarried are blessed at the altar while others receive communion. What does that blessing signify? In my last of the world (Africa) divorced remarried catholics were not given this grace, nor polygamous converts to Catholicism nor anyone who felt they were not in a state of grace to partake in communion etc. You could not receive communion, you sat or knelt at the pews through communion time. You cannot give one set of irregular unions such grace and not give another set of irregular unions such grace. This is a pastoral approach not doctrinal. Imagine denying communion to single mothers, denying communion to parents that their children have left the Catholic church (usually symbolised by the childs marriage outside the church) Denying communion to parishioners who do not meet their compulsory contributions to the church. Draconian pastoral approaches I must say that we're being implemented by some dioceses. This is clearly misguided but had good intentions. It's clear every that with law we have, that humans can choose to abuse our not abuse it.
@kimlevesque6103
@kimlevesque6103 8 ай бұрын
A great lesson.
@marie4585
@marie4585 8 ай бұрын
SOUNDS LIKE OUR WORLD RIGHT NOW IN SPADES!!
@TheRealMagicBananaz
@TheRealMagicBananaz 8 ай бұрын
Come as you are, leave with a penchant to be better
@markpugner9716
@markpugner9716 6 ай бұрын
Aside from "penchant" being a rather… fancy word in comparison to "come as you are," I like this line a lot.
@fr.hughmackenzie5900
@fr.hughmackenzie5900 8 ай бұрын
Thanks. Wise men from the East were prepared to change direction, as shown by their perseverance to find the new born King and their taking a new way home. Herod's wise men, the religious leaders of the day, were not so prepared -- even to go ten km south.
@Chris-bb9st
@Chris-bb9st 8 ай бұрын
Well... This channel took a turn
@abbyschubert5637
@abbyschubert5637 9 ай бұрын
Tagline creds, @ Gabe Finochio?
@MikeDPV01
@MikeDPV01 8 ай бұрын
Which church are you talking about? You mentioned a church that emphasizes inclusivity is more in line with hell. But I'm not certain which church you're referring to. Certainly the magisterium of the Roman Catholic church has always emphasized inclusivity just as Christ would. However the Roman Catholic magisterium emphasizes walking with people and encouraging them in conversion of heart. This is precisely what Jesus reveals in scripture.
@TheGringoSalado
@TheGringoSalado 8 ай бұрын
Family members want acceptance of alcohol abuse, drug use, divorce etc. This is the default position of all sin: make Vice into Virtue and quell the cognitive dissonance.
@lewisthelibrarian
@lewisthelibrarian 8 ай бұрын
What's the intro song name ?
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