"All Federation Vessels Will Be Limited To A Speed of - Warp 5" Picard

Star Trek The Next Generation Season 7 Episode 9 Force of Nature

[@twilki3]

I like how he says “Warp 5” like that is just soul crushingly slow.

[@DyrianLightbringer]

It is compared to their top speed of warp 9.98

[@marctelfer6159]

According to Memory Alpha, the intended warp speed scale would put, for example, Warp 5 at around 7.11 times slower than Warp 9. That'd be like being able to travel 70mph down a motorway here in the UK and then being told all cars had to go no faster than 10mph. You can get from London to Rome, for example, in about a day if you drove non-stop. Imagine finding out that, after doing journeys like that for decades, those journeys will now take a week. I don't think it would affect everyone (smaller ships always seem to have slower top speeds in TNG), but that initial thought of, like "urgh, it's going to take us a month to get back to Earth now instead of 4 days?" has got to suuuuuck

[@saturn_v42]

Meanwhile, the crew of the NX-01 Enterprise freaking out when they go warp 5 for a few minutes.

[@leandrotami]

I understand it in a different manner, like his expression reflects his disappointment of the decision of Starfleet because he knows it won’t be enough

[@JasonAguirre]

*Captain Archer has left the chat*

[@sentrysapper45]

Meanwhile in Star Trek Online: "Dude, I just broke Warp 20 by slapping a Jem'Hadar core and Borg impulse engines together!"

[@daypersson8277]

Batman's Left Nostril Does that actually work? I’m curious

[@ShatteredGlassUnicron]

Samuel Vallet It does. I did it myself.

[@daypersson8277]

Shattered Glass Unicron Now I have to try this as soon as I get the funds

[@ShatteredGlassUnicron]

Samuel Vallet They're both in the reputations. A little pricy even when ya get the tier 6 discount on projects.

[@Nova_Astral]

warp 52 with omega rep core and oddysey 48 without oddysey *using slipstream drive (its like around 25 without)

[@lostfan10000]

"Nothing above warp 5 unless you're in an emergency situation." Given the Enterprise's luck, they'll never be subject to the speed limit.

[@donovanulrich348]

Well realistically The borg are more dangerous then there main threats, and warp 10 ain’t shit to them. Why warp? Let’s teleport

[@larrycopeland2413]

@@donovanulrich348 Maybe time to negotiate with the Q.

[@ANTIStraussian]

Lol picard goes to warp 8 to get rid of laxwana Troy because if they did warp 5 she would be on the ship way longer annoying him

[@davfree9732]

Voyagers warp engines were designed to prevent sub space damage… still Jonathan Archer must be dunking hoops while tutting. “Warp 5 was good enough for me… warp speed rewrite or no rewrite.”

[@nigelwilliams449]

In the distant future, there is still Powerpoint.

[@RingxWorld]

most accurate scifi prediction in star trek

[@Zorro9129]

You can't improve on perfection.

[@themasqueradingcow91]

Space Powerpoint

[@themasqueradingcow91]

@@Zorro9129 needed a star wipe

[@justAguyDs]

@@themasqueradingcow91 and some explosions. Can't forget about the explosions

[@AthenaSaints]

(Warp 9.6 = 2017.93 C, Warp 5 = 213.75 C) Imagine you used to be able to drive 80 MPH on the highway, suddenly the government set the speed limit at 8.5 MPH on the highway.

[@spartanx169x]

That kinda did take place in the 70s. The National Speed limit in the USA became 55MPH. It was horrible, and accomplished nothing except creating more traffic(clusters of vehicles) on highways and interstates.

[@dudududu1926]

@@spartanx169x You used to go 550MPH on highway???

[@williamr1088]

This episode is not my favorite because of this very reason. Warp Drive may not be the safest way to travel faster than light it's just the only way to travel faster than light. This episode pretty much will eventually put all Space faring species back into the dark ages.

[@FlamingMonkey46]

@@williamr1088 Given how villainous the star fleet council is, that may have been the point... 👀

[@cytonmain]

​@@dudududu1926 LOL

[@Phantom19913]

Fun fact later on writers stoped counting this as cannon because they realized they shot them selves in the foot on the limitations of warp travel.

[@FJF1085]

Isn't that why Voyager has those articulating warp nacelles? To prevent damage to subspace?

[@Phantom19913]

@@FJF1085 no that was a fan idea

[@FJF1085]

@@Phantom19913 Was it? I think it was mentioned in the unpublished Voyager Tech manual but I guess that might still count as a theory.

[@Phantom19913]

@@FJF1085 that would imply the writers of voyager actually looked at the diagrams that were made for the ship for instance voyager had two warp cores and a aero shuttle underneath the saucer.

[@FJF1085]

@@Phantom19913 You're not wrong there. The Aeroshuttle might have made the Delta Flyer pointless considering it was supposed to be much better at atmospheric flight than a runabout. The second warp core would have also made the plot of Day of Honor pointless too I suppose. I have a lot of wishes for what I think should have been done on Voyager and seeing the Aeroshuttle is one of many. sigh

[@TsutomuTomutsu]

Slow the spread! Maintain appropriate distance from others and wash your ships after each trip.

[@CathrineMacNiel]

One and a half kilometres should suffice.

[@gary3561]

Dont forget to sing happy birthday twice as you do

[@karlsmith2570]

Sounds a lot like the Corona virus

[@Knightfall182]

@@karlsmith2570 You're slow.

[@nicholai4089]

😆😆😆😆

[@jamiengo2343]

Get the NXs out of retirement lads

[@sharkdentures3247]

I would suspect (and this is purely 'head canon') that those older ships (like the NX) did MORE damage at those slower warp speeds than the later ships do at slower warp speeds. Cruder engines & nacelles probably 'bend space' more roughly (worse spacial distortion), emitted more radiation, and so on. Whereas the later warp drives were more refined & 'gentle' on space than their predecessors.

[@jamiengo2343]

James Topoleski awww

[@mrbibs350]

@@sharkdentures3247 IIRC the variable position of the nacelles on the Voyager (Intrepid Class) and the angular Nacelles of the Enterprise E (Sovereign Class) were specifically to reduce the impact of Warp travel on the rifts. The angular nacelles were found to be more practical which is why no other classes have the variable nacelles like the Intrepids.

[@benruss4130]

@@sharkdentures3247 Nah, the problem was that they used the MOAR POWAH! method to speed up their ships instead of using a more elegant solution. This is why there was a sudden jump in speed just after variable warp field geometry theory was applied.

[@xeronicus]

@@sharkdentures3247 the NX ships are the equivalent of space diesels...ROLLIN' SPACE COAL

[@superzentredi]

I think they solved this problem pretty quick with variable geometry warp fields. Because in DS9 and VOY they use maximum warp all the time.

[@dudujencarelli]

In Voyager's case, they were trying to cover 70000 light years to get back home. And DS9 had to deal with an interstellar war. I imagine the Warp rule wouldn't apply in an extreme situation like outrunning a Jem' Hadar cruiser.

[@k1productions87]

The idea was that the new warp drives developed for the Sovereign, Akira, Steamrunner, Norway, and Saber classes had all been made specifically to not damage subspace in this way

[@Cubsfan-hp1gw]

With Voyager, I assumed that they were approved to exceed warp speed limitations, like the Enterprise was approved in a later season 7 episode

[@k1productions87]

@@Cubsfan-hp1gw well, Voyager was a cluster of consistency fails, but the in-canon reason for Voyager's bendy pylons and fancy new Warp Drive was it was designed to be harmless to subspace

[@viridian8258]

Well the Intrepidclass was the first attempt to come by that matter. The moveable nacelles of Voyager were created for generating a variable warpfieldgeomatry. The later shipclassed had no need for it because of a sleeker hulldesign I think that includes the defiantclass too.

[@TheFarCobra]

Picard a few episodes later: “Fake news, full speed ahead.”

[@TAOM5963]

Oh no, don't you dare link Trump to the Captain.

[@drmachinewerke1]

The Pit Better yet don’t link any sci-fy show to anything else. Do not upset the dreams we have. Some of us started dreaming of space flight. With the placement of a boot on the moon . This when we were kids.

[@mortalkonlaw]

drmachinewerke1 yeah, sci-fi and Star Trek, two famously apolitical things

[@Teletheus]

mortalkonlaw Right? Any person who complains about Star Trek being against the alt-right (or even just political at all) has clearly never watched much Star Trek.

[@qes2000]

@@Teletheus What?

[@SpiritualFox]

"Only Federation vessels doing essential Federation work will be permitted." Picard: "And WHO decides what counts as essential?!" "Yes Captain."

[@CathrineMacNiel]

The cardassians on board the IGV GameStop: We decided to be essential

[@sarnxero2628]

Ferengis: Rule of Acquisition 36 pandemics are good for business

[@derlich09]

Admiral Trump declares phaser shops essential.

[@JonatasMonte]

LaForge: Yes the world health organization decides it. Apparently they have galaxy wide authority.

[@compmanio36]

@@derlich09 When you've got bands of marauding Klingons raiding colonies and Starfleet says they won't respond to distress calls, what the hell are you gonna do? Saddle up....lock and load. Bring back the Maquis.

[@user-do2ev2hr7h]

I like how Worf is immediately like "yeah, the Klingons got this but those wacky Romulans are going to screw it all up..."

[@danielbakey8351]

I think of this episode and chuckle every time I'm playing Star Trek Online and tearing ass across the galaxy at Warp 40.

[@danielk5780]

"There is nothing we can do now." Well, Geordi, have you tried throwing an exploding warp core at the rift? It might close the rift - or it might not.

[@donovanulrich348]

Tons of civilizations knew how to teleport and subspace travel Warping bends space It’s a eventuality you will break a metal bar if you Bend it enough. And you think you can bend space infinity without repercussion

[@lonesurvivalist3147]

@@donovanulrich348 a metal bar fatigues... There's no reason to assume that a fictional "subspace" dimension that ignores all standard laws of physics would be susceptible to the same effects... Kinda lazy writing ngl

[@ZION73082]

come on it's star trek! we'll fix this by reversing the polarity of the Deflector Dish! like always ;3

[@alphanerd7221]

@@donovanulrich348 Yes. I think we can bend space infinitely without repercussion. Gravity has been doing it literally since the dawn of time with no ill effects.

[@wrybreadspread]

The one guy from the nearby planet does exactly that. He's radicalized and does the sabotage...killing himself in the bargain...so as to deliberately isolate his planet from Federation trade.

[@ashurakusanaga5917]

Anyone else feel that pang of familiarity when they said essential travel only? I sure did...

[@seafood1471]

Ashura Kusanaga fucking mood

[@nirobu]

The youtube algorithm is scary

[@inquisitorthomasdefinitely536]

nirobu yes it is

[@davidwebb4904]

Its going to be illegal border crossings only from now on..... Thanks to the World Economic Forum funded by Kill Bill Gates.

[@nikkovalidor4890]

@@davidwebb4904 based bill hope he finally succeeds in culling the rightoids

[@otomicans6580]

"The Klingons will observe these restrictions." Realllllly.....

[@redshirt5126]

To be fair, Gawron is in charge of the Klingon Empire at this point in the show and while he is many things, he's no idiot.

[@XanthIllion]

Also, I suspect there's little honour in unintentional blundering self-sabotage.

[@thomasloyal4525]

What doing slower in a chase or battle means you need better tactics than said enemy for Klingon it’s more fun this way plus real Klingons are honourable to death ! See you all in grethor !

[@insertanynameyouwant5311]

@@redshirt5126 he became an idiot in DS9 though

[@flamesofchaos13]

@@insertanynameyouwant5311 Or was that the shapeshifter?

[@MrSircharles05]

This is the star trek I miss. Even when there was a problem, there was still hope for the future.

[@szahmad2416]

And there was an expectation that the facts, science and data mattered and could be trusted. Even to completely alien species.

[@sbeaber]

@@szahmad2416 facts and data should be treated seriously until they shouldn't. Even in this episode. They look at her data, question it, put it through its paces, find it wanting (despite it ultimately being correct) but don't totally dismiss it out of hand.

[@szahmad2416]

@@sbeaber yeah...I guess I'm speaking more about current environment real-life rather than Star Trek, where facts and data get dismissed out of hand for whatever conspiracy some popcorn-chewing armchair-warmer comes up with.

[@TheDetailsMatter]

"I Can't Drive...Warp Fi-i-i-ive!!!"

[@SonofTiamat]

It took me 1600 hours to get through Federation space!

[@TheOwenMajor]

Go on and write me up for warp 9 Post my face, wanted dead or alive Take my starship, all that jive I can't drive warp 5!

[@WokeGhettoSpiritualist]

Is that a Sammy Hagar reference?

[@calebp.walden5556]

@@WokeGhettoSpiritualist the song called "I can't drive 55". And yes, I think sammy hagar was the singer of the song.

[@jeremygeorgia4943]

5.5?

[@ntsims01]

Troi was right about the Kardashians getting out of control.

[@Calzaki]

Those greedy, leather skinned tirants

[@nb2008nc]

She would know how far too far is...hot little minx

[@BamaChad-W4CHD]

Yeah she was. You just can't trust a Kardashian

[@profitfever]

Lmao

[@BamaChad-W4CHD]

@Stimulator7 swoosh

[@kevinpalmer9756]

2:20 is the moment Picard realizes they will be going back to the days of Capt. Jonathan Archer; when warp 5 was only just breaching the barrier.

[@alphanerd7221]

Picard wouldn't have made it through those times.

[@Wolfsbane1100]

Warp 5 in the era of the NX-01 is equivalent to Warp 2 in the era of the 1701-D

[@park-jj4wo]

I think its explained in the canon that earlier warp speeds are not equivalent to later centuries. Warp 5 in Archers time is slower than the warp speeds of the 24th century. At the end of the 23rd century with the "great experiment" engine in the Enterprise B, warp engines were revolutionised

[@mikeb53]

Picard: I was helping to damage space! Geordi: It won't turn out that way captain, this episode will never be thought of ever again.

[@szahmad2416]

We're here, thinking about it.

[@peacemaker9915]

I always loved how Gordi added an optimistic value to everything he was involved in. Most Engineers I’ve known in my life think that way.

[@fungalcoffee]

I appreciate that their meetings are quick and to the point.

[@GalapagosPete]

Apparently, when a message comes in, the only way to get it to the captain in the briefing room is to transfer it to a PADD and carry it to him.

[@55Quirll]

For official 'For Your Eyes Only' effect.

[@TheWPhilosopher]

@@55Quirll which he then passed to crew anyway.

[@Swotboy2000]

@@TheWPhilosopher Yes, but that was his prerogative. The captain gets the news first, and it's up to them how to disseminate it to their crew. It just so happened that he was in a meeting when the guidance was received, so it was hand-delivered, presumably by a member of the long-range communications team.

[@TheWPhilosopher]

@@Swotboy2000 I understand all that it was tongue in cheek at your eyes only and how it's sometimes used in other works. ☺️

[@admiralsquatbar127]

On the Galaxy Class, that meeting room is on the same deck as the bridge. It's not like he is having to traverse the ship to deliver the message. And if the message is FYEO, then it's best not to broadcast that message on their comms badge.

[@Knightfall182]

Flatten the curve.

[@RobeonMew]

Curve the plate

[@NewPaulActs17]

i gave you your 200th like

[@HacksignKT]

kek

[@kewltony]

420 likes bro

[@zoch9797]

Day 374 of our 2-week curve-flattening...

[@insertanynameyouwant5311]

Troy: And what about Ferengi and Cardassians? Breen: Are we a joke to you?

[@hobomike6935]

I hate the Breen

[@insertanynameyouwant5311]

@@hobomike6935 I like them.

[@hobomike6935]

@@insertanynameyouwant5311 But u can't turn your back on a breen

[@insertanynameyouwant5311]

@@hobomike6935 yes I remember

[@archismanchakrabarty9752]

Incorrect. The Breen would say, "ARFCGHHTTRYUHNJGFNNGG".

[@K-11609]

Picard: (look of disgust)…Warp 5. Archer: Oh boo hoo!!!

[@insomnyuk]

Imagine preparing for situations 40 years in the future. Imagine being part of a society that thinks that far ahead.

[@omriarielly1]

Join a pharmaceutical company, most new drags are 20 years and more in the making.

[@SarcyBoi41]

God I wish that were me

[@Greshgore]

Imagine having computing power and an understanding of Science that can make predictions that accurate. Projections are just that, projections.

[@sonofthewolfguardianofthef1214]

oneraceonedestiny China aren’t they the ones that prolonged enacting quarantine and withheld information about the virus and didn’t they also prematurely end their quarantine too.

[@Greshgore]

@@sonofthewolfguardianofthef1214 not to mention lied to the World Health Organization about it, which the World Health Organization allowed them to do, including not putting any focus on how Taiwan was handling their outbreak because they didn't want to upset China. Meanwhile China just gets awarded a seat on the Human Rights Council. What a time to be alive.

[@TheRealGSmith]

Always fascinated by how 2D maps seem sufficiant to portrait space.

[@tobyzxcd]

Universe is basically flat, so I assume a lot of the abstractions work based on that

[@lesigh1749]

@@tobyzxcd The galaxy is mostly flat, the universe is not.

[@jumpyg1258]

Then after this episode its completely forgotten and never mentioned again.

[@josephgarfield3363]

They say "You are allowed to exceed warp speed limits for this mission" a few times.

[@yes4motivation]

@@DTBootlegs don't forget worf banged Troy and riker took sloppy seconds

[@thenetherone1597]

I wish they'd done more with this, this idea deserves to be brought back up in future

[@GermanLeftist]

Not correct. It was mentioned again in The Pegasus and Eye of the Beholder.

[@awhuy]

Yes4Motivation oh yeah? Crusher banged a ghost!

[@signalsnowtop1746]

I love how quickly this episode got retcon. They wrote it, thought it.was an awesome idea, then reliased they just caused themsleves more problems then a Klinger war bird has firepower.

[@augustwyllt2421]

no, it didn't get retconned. The point of the episode was this issue should've never happened in the first place! It was an allegory to climate change. So being the ideal utopian future Star Trek claims to be, instead of ignoring it or even going so far as to deny its existence. They accepted they were caused the problem and worked on finding a solution. They found better alternatives to travel in warp without damaging subspace and that's what we need to be doing today.

[@signalsnowtop1746]

Good point, I can see how that makes sense, though I still feel like it was glossed over later on. Though I'm no paragon of star trek knowledge and it's been a literal decade since I last watched for full series so I'll admit my view is likely flawed. Did it ever come up again in some way in Next Gen or the other series?

[@chrisf1600]

"How dare you destroy the fabric of space time ? How dare you !!"

[@devildavin]

"you stole my childhood!"

[@monarchsub8884]

now give me all your money and all your food so i can warp to the other side of the universe to show how deadly it is to our universe so i can just take a teleporter back!

[@Ragitsu]

Fuck off.

[@lonesurvivalist3147]

@@Ragitsu nou

[@a2ndopynyn]

@@Ragitsu Cry some more.

[@alcatraz7369]

I never really liked this episode, cause they really didn't have any answers to correct the rifts, only to slow the process. And later they completely forget about it for the rest of the seasons.

[@rinoz47]

no they just suddenly invented technology to fix it yipeee.

[@jetstreamjack5653]

It was a ham-fisted allegory for climate change. What did you expect?

[@Joso997]

Actually all new ships becone narrower, and voyager has moving engines to account for rifts

[@DepravedMorgath]

@@Joso997 I do remember that in a later episode, they do in fact give them special permission to exceed the warp limit because it's that much of an emergency.

[@KenS1267]

Primarily because Berman is an idiot and thought this terrible episode on climate change was paying homage to Roddenberry. Of course the writers hated it and Berman mostly forgot about it.

[@meyaenyo2593]

The Imperium has delt with rifts before, Star Trek needs to put their faith in the Emperor!

[@mallios13]

That's the Terrans of the Mirrorverse

[@Milan_Oravec]

Yes, give it to the dark sid.. ehm I meant of course we will help you...

[@PhuderosoPony]

Whatever you say, you are using a cute anime elf girl avatar, so we agree... 😂

[@inquisitorthomasdefinitely536]

Quentin Lennox a few dozen fortress worlds and a massive fleet to keep things nastys from getting out and mix of faith and necron tech worked so far expect from when we lost a few worlds shit tech broke then shit went to hell quite literally

[@SeraphimRoad]

Actually the USS Event Horizon in the year 2047 dealt with rifts before. When she came back...it was alive

[@Real_Iron_Smith]

Thankfully for everyone involved this issue was solved off screen a few years later, allowing The Defiant and Voyager to regularly go warp 9 without worry!

[@joda7697]

I think you're being sarcastic but it's actually true, for Voyager at least. Their variable warp geometry is designed to reduce the subspace wake significantly, allowing for a) less damage to subspace and b) a more sustainable high-warp flight.

[@Real_Iron_Smith]

@joda7697 I always did wonder if there was a lore reason that this limitation was ignored for the most part after the episode. My answer was half sarcastic since other than an occational mention the Warp Speed Limit was basically ignored completely.

[@joda7697]

@@Real_Iron_Smith When they built newer ships, they took this into account. The Galaxy was basically just pounding subspace into submission with a really powerful warp engine. Later ships have more narrow designs to allow for better warp bubble geometry, and also have better tuned engines. They switched from sledgehammers to scalpels when it comes to propulsion, basically.

[@Real_Iron_Smith]

@joda7697 I like this explanation! Also the lore nerd in me is happy they didn't just completely ignore the issue.

[@marcosrios1246]

The problem at the time was that ships like the Enterprise-D were brute forcing their way through space, literally overstrenching and damaging space.The Enterprise-E and Voyager were designed with a sleeker hull to help ease the damage done to the fabric of space. The problem was later resolved when they modified the warp fields to cause less damage. Lots of technical mumbo jumbo involved in the answer listed on the Star Trek wikis

[@GeorgeMonet]

What the hell does hull shape have to do with creating a warp field? The warp FIELD will be exactly the same no matter what the shape of the ship's hull is. So whoever wrote that is a moron.

[@insertcolorfulmetaphor8520]

So, are the trans-warp drives doing less overall damage to the fabric of space?

[@ohnezuckerohnefett]

Please tell me you do realize that this is fiction...

[@MrClassiccarenthusia]

@@ohnezuckerohnefett Fiction it may well be, but let's not forget that NASA have actually run scale tests that show that generating a warp field is in fact possible. By causing a depression in front of an object and an expansion of the fabric of space behind the object, an object can ride the "wave" rather like a surfer. Thus allowing you to move an object faster than the speed of light without breaking the laws of physics. You don't really think we will be using chemical rockets forever do you?

[@marcosrios1246]

@@insertcolorfulmetaphor8520 I believe the explanation given is that the transwarp is a generic term used to describe drives faster than standard warp drives. The Federation transwarp drives utilized a different vibrational frequency, a new form of dilithium that is stable at higher velocities combined with more efficient warp fields. Borg transwarp is like a conduit in the way it was explained.

[@oorcinus]

I love the part where they all just suddenly turn their backs to the professor and he quietly shambles back into his chair.

[@angelmarauder5647]

"thank you doctor" turns away Doctor:............ I just spent 2 months straight to put this together CAPTAIN! These simulations don't make themselves!! No respect no respect

[@BrotherLeon2010]

2:10 - 2:17 Looks like Worf may have had a question to ask but changed his mind for some reason.

[@anthonydesroches785]

Yep your right. Good catch

[@55Quirll]

@@anthonydesroches785 As was the alien scientist showing the future with warp travel. Since there had been speed travel for centuries, if not thousand , hundreds of thousand of years, why only now was there a noticeable effect to space. And there was a reference to this trouble in one future episode but none later, what about the delta quadrant where voyager is and the gamma quadrant where the Dominion are. Shame there was no follow up. Oh, one other thing, would Trans Warp which the Borg use cause the same rifts?

[@samuelcallejo1268]

Forgot his lines :)

[@handel2blue502]

He was gonna ask something but everyone just started leaving anyway and he didn't want to be 'that guy'.

[@Beyondthe5thPanel]

Isaac Allerton it leads me to wonder if the Borg tapping into Species 8472’s realm had something nearly directly to do with this causality effect.

[@theloneranger8725]

Three days later all the toilets quit working on the Enterprise and they had to do warp 8 to find a spaceport with a working bathroom. Talk about an emergency!

[@Ash_Rein]

They resorted to transporting the waste from the body into space. A week later, the borg was finally coming to invade. They saw and smelled the waste. And decided to go home

[@davidnelson7719]

This is just a vague memory... but I thought in one of the Star Trek guides there was a schematic of the Enterprise and it indicated there was only one bathroom on the ship...

[@satyrquaze]

Picard: "...It now appears certain that what we've seen here will have repercussions for many years to come." Morgan Freeman also narrating: "It didn't. The warp 5 speed limit was referenced one more time in the later episode 'The Pegasus' and then never mentioned again."

[@danielyeshe]

I know that the reason Voyager's engines move the way they do is because of this. Although it is never mentioned in that show.

[@countravid3768]

And then it was dropped never to be mentioned again and ignored from here on out

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

Mumble mumble solution found after then intrepid warpfield geometry experiments. Right on time for war.

[@donovanulrich348]

Mumble mumble Plot device mumble mumble Space travel isent as cool looking when you instantly teleport mumble mumble

[@steeden54]

A phenomenon quickly jettisoned and forgotten.

[@mariolis]

and for good reason that episode was terrible an obvious preaching about climate change

[@HinesEdventures]

This is what should have caused the Burn in ST:Discovery season 3

[@cadkls]

This is what should have ended STD before it began

[@markyoung1148]

You say that like anyone from STD had watched Star Trek before.

[@zarthemad8386]

STD is not Star Trek.

[@greytooth898]

There are a lot of things wrong with STD... not just the Burn

[@RealBadMike]

The Burn.. that's that phenomenon that killed all the heterosexual white men in the galaxy, right?

[@frakmaster69master11]

Limit of warp 5 but, Ludicrous Speed is still a okay!

[@isaiahwelch8066]

And you have to be surrounded by Assholes as well, and Colonel Sanders must be your Officer In Charge of the bridge. 😂😂😂

[@shimatetsuo2019]

Well boys, it's a very lovely ship. I think you should go down with it.

[@billtree52]

Worf: Captain, they've gone plaid!!

[@molybdaen11]

The vulkans used warp travel far longer then the humans. Why did they never found this problem?

[@vaska00762]

Their warp drive was much slower than 24th Century warp and there was also a warp factor scale change in the 24th Century which made it logarithmic and also meant that a warp 10 would be infinite speed. My guess is that it wasn't until the much, much more powerful warp drives of the late 23rd and early 24th century that the issue became apparent. The Vulcans barely made much in the way of warp drive progress through hundreds of years, so many ships wouldn't really go past warp 3 during the 20th Century. Indeed, it also took earth a long time. Nearly 40 years between The Phoenix doing it's warp 1 flight and warp capable starships being built. Nearly 70 years until warp 2.

[@develynseether4426]

Vaska is right but here's a little more info. Vulcan ships pre-Federation could go a maximum of warp 7 in the old scale (warp 5.5 in new scale) but as explored space was much smaller and Vulcans live longer they had no need to travel fast regularly plus their warp drives weren't half as powerful. Constitution-Class like the original Enterprise NCC-1701 had a maximum safe speed of warp 6 (warp 5 new scale) with a max speed of warp 8 (6.5 new scale) again with less powerful engines than the latter half of 24th Century.

[@almisami]

Klingons: You Vulcans are a bunch of stuffy prisses but you're also tougher, stronger, and smarter than Humans in every single way Klingons: Why do you let them run your Federation Vulcan Science Academy: Look Vulcan Science Academy: This is a species where if you give them two warp cores they don't do experiments on one and save the other for if the first one blows up Vulcan Science Academy: This is a species where if you give them two warp cores, they will ask for a third one, immediately plug all three into each other, punch a hole into an alternate universe where humans subscribe to an even more destructive ideological system, fight everyone in it because they're offended by that, steal their warp cores, plug those together, punch their way back here, then try to turn a nearby sun into a torus because that was what their initial scientific experiment was for and they didn't want to waste a trip.

[@TheWPhilosopher]

@@almisami 🤣 and meanwhile we simply collate findings on them.

[@mikeymcmikeface5599]

@@almisami hahaha

[@Calinks]

00:42 Riker with that "You seeing this shit?" look haha

[@supergsx]

Love the synchronicity of this.

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

Patrick Bateman's presentation was stellar

[@ohiovr]

Interstellar!

[@SeanMaccaUK]

_Deanna, get down on your knees so Beverly can see your assholé._ _Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying in a narrower way..._

[@porpus99]

Supposedly Star Fleet changed the way the shape of the warp field. During this point in time the field was close to a perfect sphere, but come voyager it became more elongated. Egg like. Streamlining the field to reduce the damage to subspace, buying time until a new means of propulsion could be found.

[@FortoFight]

What is the source of this information? It seems like people keep repeating it baselessly. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think it's addressed at all in the actual shows themselves.

[@porpus99]

@@FortoFightHence why I stated "Supposedly", or do you require a dictionary? The main source of this comes from the shows. In TNG you see diagrams of a Warp Bubble shown to be a perfect sphere around the Enterprise. Come Voyager the shape has elongated. If this was intentional due to that episode, or just the director being creative who can say for sure?

[@circa81]

I heard someone make this point about the 2 scientists in this episode. They think that warp travel is damaging the environment and if people keep doing it a huge explosion in space will happen that will threaten many lives. So what does one of them do? Use a warp core to create an explosion that threatens many lives. That would be like a a present day protester against nuclear power blowing up a nuclear power plant in the name of protecting the environment.

[@r0bw00d]

No, that would be like a past day protestor doing so, as the people of today already know, and are well aware of, the dangers of nuclear power.

[@circa81]

@@r0bw00d The point I made was made back in the 90s. It's stiff dumb though that these scientists were so concerned about warp effects on the environment knowingly created the very thing they were trying to avoid.

[@r0bw00d]

@@circa81 I'd have to watch the episode again, but if I recall correctly, the scientist only did so because it was a last ditch effort to wake everyone up.

[@circa81]

@@r0bw00d I know why it was done but it's just ridiculous logic and not something any scientist would do.

[@TGM-Videos]

@@circa81 I'm guessing you've never heard of eco-terrorists?

[@ikelevermann1491]

Borg flying Trans-Warp: Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

[@DeadAbeVigoda]

China says there are no subspace rifts.

[@UNLebanon]

Neither does Trump. I guess there are no Republicans on the Federation Council.

[@llamapi3]

@@UNLebanon Stop falling for Romulan propaganda, they only peddle fake news.

[@FireLordJohn3191]

UNLebanon So how do you explain the fact that Trump is actually taking steps to stop the disease?

[@UNLebanon]

@@FireLordJohn3191 He said himself that the disease is a hoax, just like climate change. This whole Star Trek episode is a social commentary on how denialism and politicizing science is the hallmark of stupidity.

[@mikeymcmikeface5599]

@@FireLordJohn3191 He was faced with so much reality that he could no longer deny it.

[@CannonKnight]

If this episode was made today: "In 12 years, all sentient life will be destroyed unless we implement a warp tax."

[@hmartinspliff]

The developed warp capable species will trade 'Warp credits' with the developing worlds who don't use up all their warp allowance in exchange for gold pressed latinum.

[@Wrell404]

If this episode was made today the trolls would bitch about liberal politics and fake climate change invading Star Trek.

[@ZechsMerquise73]

@@Wrell404 The trolls on here are bitching like it happened today and not in 1996. They probably weren't even born yet, honestly.

[@jidk6565]

@@ZechsMerquise73 and the funny thing us The episode is still relevant Which is what I find funny

[@Thirdbase9]

@@Wrell404 I know people that made that complaint at the time.

[@patrickstivers7387]

This should have been the calamity that occurred in Disco. Warp travel eventually tore normal space apart and made certain regions impassible.

[@jddi1527]

This

[@chrispeplinski7306]

The warp 5 limit was disregarded later on.

[@Graniteheart]

it was later explained that Starfleet had created "variable geometry pylons" ie how Voyager's nacelles move before going to warp which mitigated the damage. and it's safe to assume that they were able to otherwise come up with other ways to prevent the damage to subspace. as it is, the limit was mentioned once or twice in later episodes, usually due to the situation requiring them to exceed warp 5

[@develynseether4426]

All new classes specifically the ones designed to fight the Borg (Sovereign, Defiant, Steamrunner, Norway, Akira, Saber) all had new warp engines that could mitigate all but the most extreme areas, for example any areas that had high risk like the Hekaras corridor were still at risk apart from ships like Intrepid-class.

[@kerosoldier]

@@develynseether4426 not to mention hull designs that allowed them to slip through subspace more easily

[@develynseether4426]

@@kerosoldier now you say that I do remember reading something about hull geometry for the Sovereign-Class for that reason.

[@kerosoldier]

@@develynseether4426 there's a video by triangulum audio studio on this subject

[@taopilot2669]

"I asked you to bring me my Earl Grey tea, not a PADD, dammit!"

[@thomassmith6232]

I believe that this episode was inspired by a novel called Godspeed. In the novel starships have stopped arriving at an extra-solar colony several generations in the past. They figure out that it was something about their starships drives that broke something in the universe, and that interstellar flight might never be possible again...

[@theobserver9849]

Nice comment

[@GyitMulhaneski-GloriousYears]

'Warp 5?!? Bleedin' Elf n' Safety'. - Reg Varney, On the Buses.

[@ZephWraen]

To everyone saying this episode had no lasting repercussions on the franchise - it did. Voyager has the moving nacelles so they can create a more stable warp field that causes less damage to subspace, and I believe somewhere it's mentioned the Enterprise E utilizes even more advanced tech to no longer require the moving nacelles, but still has a smaller impact on subspace than older ships. Sure, it's usually only mentioned in passing that warp damages subspace, but tech going forward in the series is adjusted to have a smaller effect. If you want to take the allegory for climate change further, it's like slowly changing over time to (slightly) clean energy. Star Fleet still hasn't quite gotten it completely figured out, but they're doing everything they can do minimize the damage.

[@szahmad2416]

Yeah...the allegory stops there. No one has done any real work on impacting climate change since it was discovered 30-40 years ago.

[@OhadAlmagorOhad]

A wizard did it.

[@Ben82077]

When your ship is in the passing lane and all the other ships pass you. (Picard and Riker in the observation room) Riker: Can we go any faster sir? Picard: Rules are rules number one...just think of the fuel and dyltheum we’ll be saving. (Person in an escape pod, waving. Passing the enterprise.) Riker: We just got passed by an escape pod sir. This is embarrassing... Picard: Very well...(communicator chime) Picard to Mr Data... Data: Data here Captain. Picard: increase speed to warp 4.9. Data: Aye, sir. Riker: 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@jddi1527]

Lol

[@JustinC721]

Yeah, that sure went out the window with Warp 13 in "All Good Things". Kinda like how we treat carbon emissions. Art imitates life, life imitates art.

[@k1productions87]

By that time, the warp drives were developed specifically to not cause any damage to subspace. Basically the Federation equivalent of vehicles with no carbon emissions

[@roacha1138]

LOL....the Borg troll them and just fly around at warp 9

[@Moonless6491]

Why fly at warp 9 when you can create trans warp conduits

[@nadohawk]

Watching this during COVID-19 and it all feels so real

[@k1productions87]

even though this was about climate change, not an outbreak

[@WorldinRooView]

1:56 - We were trying to be subtle with our metaphor... but then!

[@smartalec2001]

It appears... *that our climate is changing.* (all actors look at the camera)

[@RandomYT05_01]

Soon, the federation found a solution to prevent warp drive from damaging subspace.

Bravo April !

[@April-dv2pb]

Thank you Mioara.

[@macklee6837]

What a profound admission from Picard to Geordie. Man, I miss TNG, and the quality of the cast of old Trek shows.

[@YD-uq5fi]

Yet another worthwhile storyline that Star Trek : Picard could explore 28 years later from this episode, but won't, since it is made by people who know nothing about the original TNG.

[@Hotshots2890]

2380's warp 5 is like driving 20 in a 60 zone

[@k1productions87]

Well... more like 35, but still... yeah

[@Hotshots2890]

@@k1productions87 we are talking KM right? as per the standard not that imperial measurements of the past.... ( Canadian :P)

[@antbojo]

@@Hotshots2890 Aren't you guys still part of the Commonwealth? 😉

[@Hotshots2890]

@@antbojo your point being a united membership of nation? Last I checked USA was part of the UN a body of nations that also requires tribute . lmao silly goose go back to you hole

[@froschreiniger2639]

i think its like hundrets of times slower than warp 9.9

[@JanetStarChild]

It's amazing how well-lit Star Trek vessels are in space; almost like there's always a star nearby.

[@hydewhyte4364]

It's shine from the constant navigational shielding needed to protect them from micro meteorites and stray hydrogen atoms and the like. Like a million tiny spotlights all snuffing it at the same time.

[@TheTuttle99]

​@Hyde Whyte that can't be good for trying to stay hidden from enemy ships

[@leggocrewtv2052]

Yo : perfect episode for now! Thanks!

[@hillerm]

Wow what a meaningful PowerPoint presentation!

[@whitesedan99]

Such a relevant episode to what's going on right now.

[@jamiegreig9699]

"We can only hope they realize it's in their best interest and take similar action" I think the last two years have taught us enough to know the Star Trek universe is fucked

[@albratgaming2348]

And these are the moments that make Picard such a great captain ...

[@flyboymb]

So THAT'S how the Eye of Terror was created!

[@autosundspiele1602]

flyboymb Set Gellar Field at maximum!

[@vlanAlf]

well its totatly possible that st and w40k is in same universe, there are more than enough time gap for shit to hit the fan. vulcans are eldar, jem-hadar will evolve to orcs, borgs are necrons, I totaly see it now.

[@TheBigExclusive]

And they ended up being wrong since Starfleet just made better warp engines. Then went straight back to high speed warp travel.

[@absolutez3r019]

supposedly, through some tech breakthrough mumbo jumbo. they changed the shape of the warp field that didn't damage sub-space

[@SkyMogul]

Yep, this is why Voyager has articulating nacelles.

[@absolutez3r019]

@@SkyMogul but the Intrepid class was the only ship to feature that.

[@benjackson8731]

@@absolutez3r019 prototype technology to vary the field until they found a way to generate a more streamlined field. hence why future ships (sovereign class Ent-E for example) are longer and sleeker

[@leesmith7883]

@@benjackson8731 actually the odyssey class heavy cruiser was designed for battle against the borg, given a sleeker designed to give less of a profile to target and shoot from the front, the intrepid class nacelles did prevent damage to subspace, but the federation went back to researching transwarp because it works differently to normal warp and does not affect subspace.

[@feartheoldblood]

Just change the gravitational constant of the universe.

[@TsutomuTomutsu]

"That is beyond our technological capabilities." 'Oh...'

[@thomasaquinas2600]

Sammy Hagar said it best: 'I can't hyperdrive at Warp 5!'

[@ritecomment2098]

this was an example coverup, it was really the omega particle as mentioned in VOY

[@noanswer1864]

I like to think that Picard made his report, and then Starfleet promptly ignored it.

[@arthur5dent]

And this limitation was never referred to ever again.

[@hhale]

Nor should have it been. Actually it was probably the single most stupid thing that ever passed for a plot device in Star Trek.

[@arthur5dent]

Harold Hale have you seen Star Trek Picard with its mind reading androids, surprise Soong sons, and literal deus ex machina?

[@hhale]

@@arthur5dent Even that doesn't sink to the level of "let's shove a political brick sideways up the arse of the fans so they'll pay attention our RL environmentalist agenda" like that episode. Terrible plot device, even topping the "red stuff" in JJ Trek (though not by much), and absolutely non-canon trash. It had it all...everything bad you can imagine.

[@hades12686]

I hated this episode, but it was referred to again maybe twice. I think there are two other episodes where starfleet specifically tells the Enterprise they can exceed warp speed limitations for the duration of the mission.

[@hhale]

@@hades12686 Correct. I still bear the scars from severe eye roll damage to prove it.

[@starhawke380]

Archer on the NX-01 Enterprise... Oh no, you can only go Warp 5, how awful for you...

[@kevinhoward9593]

I read that the Intrepid Class ship (i.e. Voyager) necelles design how it moves before going to warp is designed to limit damage to subspace.

[@weareorigin]

I'm not slowing the spread. Max warping to Risa, the vacation planet. If I get something on Risa, I get something on Risa.

[@jcwyu]

" Eject the core... I just did "

[@berner]

I live in the Hekaras Corridor. My name is Rabal. I'm 27 years old. I believe in taking care of my space, and a balanced diet and a rigorous exercise routine. In the morning, if my face is a little puffy, I'll put on an ice pack while doing my stomach crunches. I can do a thousand now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply a kanar masque which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion. There is an idea of a Rabal. Some kind of abstraction. But there is no real me. Only an entity. Something illusory. And though I can hide my cold gaze, and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours, and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable, I simply am not there.

[@james5460]

Take my license and all that Jive, I Can't Drive Warp Five!

[@CptPicard1701-D]

🎶 I can’t warp, 5.5 🎶

[@zendell37]

I swear Picard only says "mister forge" when turning...

[@JackgarPrime]

Star Trek getting out the allegories for global warming years before the conversation came into the mainstream.

[@justinep3675]

Meanwhile in first contact, "maximum warp! Engage!"

[@jayluck8047]

24th Century, and the guy still has to stand there pushing a button on the wall to advance his Power-Point presentation to the next slide. 🙄

[@swaghauler8334]

He could have said "computer, project [insert # here]", but that wouldn't be "dramatic" enough! :)

[@PassportBrosBusinessClass]

Science fiction shows based on our understanding of the pinnacle of 21st century technology. And that’s why: if we ever do get FASTER THAN LIGHT TRAVEL, it WON’T look like this ^^^

[@mikeymcmikeface5599]

@@PassportBrosBusinessClass We have passed the pinnacle of this century and the rest will be downhill?

[@Zeakthecat]

this is what lead up to the creation of voyager and other more spacedyamic vessels. this moment in history right here. instead of tearing through subspace, ships will be forced to glide through them.

[@danielbakey8351]

"Astrodynamic," maybe? Aerodynamic clearly won't work....

[@Zeakthecat]

@@danielbakey8351 "astrodynamic" is probably better, but since we are talking about tears through a science fiction of the astrophysical variety called "subspace" i think "spacedyamic" is more fitting.

[@ryanb55]

This is the kind of Star Trek I like the most.

[@whizwart1]

No joke, this was supposed to be the plot of Mass Effect. Element Zero was found by the Reapers creators to be speeding up the decay of the Universe, and their task was to fix it...Unfortunatly, cunning advance species was their solution. This got cut after Drew K left the company the first time, I'm betting because EA thought Environmental themes wouldn't sell.

[@thomaswhite3059]

Don't want to make games pOlItIcAl, unlike those apolitical games like Calladooty or MGS or Far Cry

[@Eidako]

"Thank you doctor. Mister La Forge -" * Geordi nods and silently swivels in his chair like a bored kid *

[@velveteenv76]

Weren't the speed limits for certain areas, recall reading that on the ccg card if the riffs to slow down ships.

[@Spacegoat92]

This can be the beginning of a new series. Star Trek: Warp Cops!

[@GhostLink92]

Archer: I see this as an absolute win!