All GTA 4 pain in one video

[@TihetrisWeathersby]

GTA 4 was a massive leap, The story and world design where phenomenal, the radio content was amazing

[@wfanking1187]

It as a downgrade the world design lacked any diversity, just an urban city, no countryside or desert or anything, all GTAs had great stories and plot of their own, GTA 4 is just HD GTA 3, money is useless you can't even buy houses anymore, and if you think GTA 4 has good radio you haven't played Vice City the music radios were amazing but VCPR one of the talk radio was stuff of legend, and I played every GTA since GTA 2 in 1999!

[@TihetrisWeathersby]

@@wfanking1187 What part of New York City has a desert? Don't be ridiculous.

[@LesterCrest1]

​@@wfanking1187bruh! Gta is about crime and stealing cars, what's the point of having so much nature like GTA 5 if you always stay in los santos? Atleast they putted effort in the map unlike GTA 5 with mountains and its few intersections

[@miguelpasamano4995]

But they turned Lazlow from 1 of the few mostly sane people in Liberty City into an annoying creep! They should've kept the ChatterBox thing going!

[@miguelpasamano4995]

RockStar originally planned to include UpState New York in the map but they couldn't do it because they didn't have that kind of space on the XBox 360 and the PlayStation3.

[@FelipeVinhao]

I have the weird feeling that most of what other players consider issues on GTA4 are exactly what make me like the game. A darker story, with funny parts added only for breaking the ice. The heavier cars' physics and not having extreme car explosions just for the sake of having an explosion. A smaller but more detailed and dense location. Less customization, which seems cool to have a lot of options at first, but I've never touched it again on GTASA as I reached the max respect. Maybe the only real issue, not related to personal preferences, was about the performance.

[@mariolovespillows3838]

Same here

[@Agent-ie3uv]

Lol no gta online is 10x more fun than gta4 and 5 combined 🤣🙄

[@mariolovespillows3838]

@@Agent-ie3uv stfu who asked for someone's Opinion on gta online ?

[@MJ-uk6lu]

@@Agent-ie3uv GTA Online is like playing epilepsy, it's terrible. It's way worse than old school Forza MP, where everyone just rode walls.

[@mariolovespillows3838]

@DaS29o wtf bro it's just a game ur not emo boy

[@LxstGalaxy2000]

The driving was never the problem it's the players thinking they can go full speed and not deal with consequences.

[@South_park_boy]

Yeah man, and believe or not, there are casual players who have difficulty to drive in GTA 5! Maybe gta 4 it's made for that who have a little experience with gta or race games with a handling more realistic and more cool in my opnion

[@commanderblack5045]

@@skissue12929 i think the reason is that people hated the driving Physics in GTA IV back in the day, Rockstar Games changes it in GTA V and people hate now GTA V driving Physics

[@emekaasiegbu3697]

driving physics like GTA 4 were the best physics and I think thats the only way, GTA 5 is too arcady and dumb

[@Marcus_shawn]

It was only a problem to me at first... after awhile I realized it wasn't bad

[@shadowking773]

Gta 4 driving was suitable and more fun because of dense map of ny however it won't fit in a big and straight map of gta 5 so they downgraded it

[@skylineXpert]

Its the story that makes GTA IV. Niko belic is so deep and philosophical especially after revisiting in 2022

[@fredster594]

How the fuck is Niko Bellic philosophical? How the fuck is any GTA game philosophical for that matter?

[@mikehunt8247]

Honestly the game only got good after being 10+ years old. People praise if today but when it launched they received alot of flack cause most people including myself though it sucked. It was random and out of left field even the radio stations sucked ass lol But I agree it aged fantastically but I wish people would remember what it was at Launch before saying it was the best ever

[@MJ-uk6lu]

@@mikehunt8247 Why random? The only random thing is that it was first non-American GTA game. It's all about Slavic people infighting and solving their problems with violence. It had strong Eastern European vibes, even in Liberty City (NY). People weren't ready for that perhaps, but it wasn't exactly random. And radio stations with songs made sense, it was also a bit unusual, because it's the only GTA game to feature Eurovision (Diki tanci by Ruslana) song and have artist be a host of radio station as well. That's kinda cool and suitable. Other radio station instead of slavic music focused on something that is close to NY culture - gangbanger rap. Other tracks were US classics and things that immigrant from Eastern Europe would have likely heard before. Other stations tried to portray rasta culture... Really, radio stations were formed not because they necessarily sound good, but because they reflect in game gangs, New York (Liberty City) and Niko Bellic. The funny part is that nothing was exactly Serbian there, however the whole game was made to appeal to US audience mostly, so it was dumbed down and instead of being genuinely authentically Serbian, it instead became sort of generic stereotypically Slavic.

[@mikehunt8247]

@MJ-uk6lu go read my comment in the actual section and you'll know my take on it

[@MJ-uk6lu]

@@mikehunt8247 I did, I won't change my points. I don't think that launch was that bad. Really, the only big problem was performance problems, which were never resolved. X360 struggled to achieve 30 fps, often dipping to 15 fps and it still does, PS3 was basically the same. PC port was terrible and still is and it was basically barely functional with Core 2 Quads or Core 2 Extremes. It still ran poorly on i7s and FX chips and it only runs decently well on Zen+ and Skylake era chips. Not to mention that GPUs were also badly inadequate at the time as well. You basically need GTX 970 at minimum to avoid bad FPS drops or cutting draw distance and GTX 970 still has FPS drops. So you need something closer to GTX 1080 for actually great experience. Disabling shadows and reducing draw distance seem to be fixing GPU performance issues, however, there's no fix for CPU performance issues, you basically only can compensate terrible programming with buying stronger single threaded CPUs. On modern high end systems it functions mostly great, but just for context, it's a lot more problematic than what Crysis was and Crysis had settings that solved performance issues unlike GTA 4.

[@KingMasey]

GTA San Andreas was a difficult game to top. One of the main problems with GTA IV was it lacked a lot of features that the 3D era kept building upon such as player customisation, vehicle customisation, planes, businesses. This video is spot on!

[@kocant1274]

Gta 4 is such a downgrade to San andreas

[@AlaaMohamed-ju4vt]

May be because it was the beginning of the hd era

[@ericbaker8781]

@@AlaaMohamed-ju4vtstill a downgrade

[@WoahBro203]

The planes were removed because of 9/11

[@Pmccaff2009]

​@@kocant1274 And GTA5 is such a downgrade to GTA4

[@TihetrisWeathersby]

The only thing i disliked about GTA 4 was there was nothing to do with your money

[@moredortor]

there are good use money in the street when midnight if you know what i mean

[@foxferreira]

I personally NEVER had any problems with the driving in GTA IV. I played it as a kid and played for 155 hours on Steam just last year, and at this point I can drive without crashing for a long time! As a kid I didn't feel it was difficult, I simply accepted that going too fast means I die.

[@bigbossrob]

the driving was great every vehicle actually moved like 2 ton objects and the crashes were insane

[@JessicaKasumi1990]

It's my fifth most-played game on Steam at 312 hours. Sure, the other four games I play more are business simulation, city builders, truck simulators, and a train simulator, but, I enjoy 4 a lot more. I mainly got 5 for online.

[@Loop-dee-loopz]

one ting I noticed is you can drift in GTA 4 even using sports cars and I think the reason is they are technically not capable to drift. the cars aren't tuned to drift.

[@57z2]

@@Loop-dee-loopz any car can drift if you try hard enough, it'll just end badly for you if its not tuned to do it.

[@mjaf03]

It was a masterpiece. The story was brilliant

[@shalindelta7]

It was a slog but decently entertaining

[@Ebalosus]

It was good on the second-to-second gameplay, but that’s about it. The aggravating and hokey ‘Serbian’ accents made it an absolute chore to play.

[@iota7sharma722]

Underappreciated by the chaotic criminal minds of kids of gta games

[@carreviewer6345]

It's still a masterpiece

[@starlaixystar]

How the story is masterpiece? Niko had forced relationship with Kate and game tries to force you to like her. Well I hate her and I was happy when she died.

[@ecek4671]

Well that's true - GTA 4 is an amazing story (which ends tragically, no matter what we do) and it's way ahead of its time in terms of game physics. But you can't really spend the money you earn there... But that does not matter when you ride with Little Jacob and can see ganja smoke from the car windows xD

[@nikobowling1606]

The thing about not having much to spend in the game is to make money unrewarding for the decisions the player makes during the game. In fact, one of the main themes in the game is about greed; you kill and lose people close to you in exchange for money, but all you are left with is a feeling of emptiness.

[@GTAHeavyImpact]

"You mind I keep the windows closed?"

[@runarvollan]

"In America you need money to do ANYTHING!"

[@MJ-uk6lu]

I think that it's just Rockstar's intention to make it more atmospheric. SA had tons of places to spend money on, because you were corrupt CJ, who did anything for money. 4 was about traumatized man, who wanted to see his friends, seek answers in life and just rebuild life, so that's why you don't have opportunities for random capitalism, just helping out your friends, going out with them. 5 is SA reboot mostly, but it's an exaggerated satire, full of psycho characters and thus you have crazy purchase options, running illegal "businesses" buying expensive shit, with deliveries. In 3 you were just dumb gangbanger and you just did your job, nobody cared if you died or not, so your feeble existence was reflected in pointless money accumulation with nowhere to spend it and limited healing options, since you were always on the run.

[@Hwje1111]

@@MJ-uk6luwhat about GTA vice city and vice city stories? In that game you could buy alot of things and generally you have a more “optimistic” feel compared to GTA 3.

[@thoughtsontape4283]

One of my favorite games of all time. I just went back to complete it for the first time a few months ago and it’s so crazy how well this holds up.

[@thedrbat9572]

Personally I am pretty sure the real reason GTA 4 wasn't as played as much was that GTA San Andreas was still VERY popular in 2008, it was cheaper and the PS2 was still being sold and manufactured for cheaper in more countries. GTA 4 was a PS3 and Xbox 360 popular in the US and Europe. I think people seriously forget how large the world actually is outside of their own country.

[@shadowking773]

The problem was bad optimization . This game was ahead of its time, people are recognizing it now coz at that time people expected it to be goofy and funny like gta sa. This and RDR1 are very underrated

[@shadowking773]

@Catmobster7586 what problems it have? it had good story good combat good dlc's, fun physics,ragdolls,fist fighting, realistic driving ,even multiplayer was good, missions were samey in base game but dlc missions were crazy. graphics were also very good, it captured the aesthetic of nyc,it had very less bugs and glitches than its predecessor, it was a masterpiece and always will be

[@Marcus_shawn]

​@@shadowking773you couldn't do anything with your money,the missions were the same

[@shadowking773]

@@Marcus_shawn have you played dlc ? Tbogt missions were more crazy and intense than any gta 5 mission. And who cares about money when gameplay is fun and immersive

[@shadowking773]

@Catmobster7586 you need to give it a chance after you play it for some time you will enjoy it

[@Marcus_shawn]

@@shadowking773 you call that shit fun🤣 ok yeah sure

[@cathallynch1]

The driving was a massive shock after Vice City and San Andreas.

[@Aminus.Laidius]

I think the problem is not in the game itself. The problem is that belongs to GTA series and it was different from them so it wasn't as most of fan expected it to be (arcade missions, colorful and cartoonish characters and dialogues, happy endings..), but if we see it as a separate game it was a masterpiece. It was more realistic than any other game from all aspects (physics, environment, characters, consequences of actions..) it showed the reality of crime life with all its ugliness.

[@gogic9946]

It was a huge upgrade when it comes to graphics and physics but compared to all the endless possibilities in San Andreas it felt like a step backwards

[@nikobowling1606]

Rockstar went in a different direction with GTA IV, the developers said that things in San Andreas would not make sense in this game. Which is fair enough to make the game cohesive, but to compensate, two DLCs were released to complement the main game, not only in terms of story, but activities and things to do. The 3 games complement each other.

[@nikobowling1606]

@Catmobster7586 Precisely why the developers chose not to implement this in the game, GTA IV has a more serious, sad and dark storyline, Dan houser did not want Niko to look like a clown during custcenes like CJ. Implementing a haircut and beard absolutely randomly, makes sense for more arcade games like GTA V AND San andreas, but not for 4. Hell, it makes no sense for you to complain about it, customization of this kind didn't exist in the first games. GTA IV is an indirect continuation of GTA 3, not San andreas. Going back to the roots as a dark and serious game like 3 was.

[@emekaasiegbu3697]

@@nikobowling1606exactly. and im sure they could have added the same quantity of things to do like GTASA that will fit the GTA4 theme, but im sure they didn't have enough time. and people complain too fucking much lol. We should just enjoy GTA4 for the absolute masterpiece that it is

[@Jo-Wilbe-Dina]

you know, a step backwards isn't that much of a big deal to me compared to a huge upgrade it makes up for it. i mean in GTA SA, i knew i could play in casinos, give away my money, have a haircut, dye your hair, swimming races, and all of that, but i never really bothered doing all of those minor activities, because i just didn't care, most of them were kinda boring to me when i played those side activities and didn't really felt like it affected the gameplay that much anyway. it felt like bonuses in the game that i could've easily ignored, and the game itself would've been the same, and that's what i felt in GTA IV. i only participated in races because i love driving in gta games. and at least that, they still have it in GTA IV, it wouldn't really be a GTA Game without Driving Races. And with all of the side minor activities from gta sa gone in gta iv, it still feels like only very little has changed, the only thing i wish GTA IV had from GTA SA was more customization with vehicles and your character, because i love decorating myself and my car and making it look stylish and proper, but that's pretty much it because i just love fashion, i don't care about playing pool, i do care about washing my car though, i hate it when my Pink Feltzer Car that I stole from Gracie is looking pretty dirty when it's suppose to be a very beautiful vehicle. and some youtuber say, GTA IV has implemented the most useless feature, the Car Wash, when I, a clean freak, literally use it all the time when I need to make my car look shiny and clean. at least, there are still clothes and suits to wear and paint colors to paint my vehicle, and if that's what we can have, then that's what i will accept. GTA IV made me learn to accept the things I have instead of wanting more and being an ungrateful brat. I don't think any game has done that to me before.

[@shashankhr7]

​@@nikobowling1606this!!

[@harshvardhangodara5852]

GTA IV is a very deep and depressing game, I was under very depressing environment a few years back when I played this game and I really got to understand what the story of the game was trying to convey to the players

[@FutureDreamingAI]

Or maybe thats how you saw it, because your hard time

[@Squareheed]

Its really not depressing at all lmfao

[@fredster594]

I think GTA IV fans loves to over exaggerate and over hype GTA IV's atmosphere and tone.

[@spideyfan1024]

@@fredster594 THANK YOU SOMEONE FINALLY SAID IT

[@kevinerbs2778]

​@@FutureDreamingAIi'd like $50,000 free from you then mr nice life

[@bernardlaus9996]

Bad points are: no taxi missions, no easter eggs to collect, no sideline missions. Every 2 minutes your cell is ringing to go to play darts...Very repetitive scheme : play the mission, date with Michelle, date with Roman, save progress! And picture on screen is so dark that even during the day it looks like night.

[@MrSiloterio]

It's very simple: GTA 4 isn't interested in letting people have fun - which has been the staple of the series ever since. It's not a skill issue or any other conspiracy. It's very straightforward.

[@Duckofthedragon]

The fact that Nilo can't walk five feet without roman wanting to go bowling.

[@NicolasChiribelo]

Enable phone sleep mode...

[@FREETHEWORLD999]

It’s such a shame that this is the most underrated GTA with the best storyline in the franchise also my personal favorite location

[@ashishtembhekar4251]

Where every other GTA game was larger than life , GTA 4 was grounded in reality. we will truly never get something like it. to me GTA 4 feels real.

[@greenwizard7592]

It’s completely unrealistic. Sure, it’s more realistic than the other GTA games, but that doesn’t make it realistic. You really think one man can consistently kill 20 heavily armed men? Had GTA 4 been realistic, Dimitri would’ve had Niko whacked the day after he killed Faustin, as there was no use for him anymore (that is if Niko would’ve even survived the Faustin gunfight in the theater, which is already pretty unlikely). GTA games are never realistic and I’m glad the other GTA games have more creative and fun based missions

[@akkunair9392]

@@greenwizard7592 I dont think thats what the OP was implying, he just said it was GROUNDED in reality not that it is fully realistic, no shit it isnt realistic not only is it a video game but its a gta game only thing is that compared to the other games this game felt more real even if its still ridiculous only real issue that I do agree is the fact that I wish there were more things to buy with the money you accumulated than just clothes and guns but considering this is the first game of the hd universe I suppose they had to start from somewhere....

[@iwtdl_]

>we will truly never get something like it RDR2 exists.

[@MarinGabriel]

the biggest problem is the atrocity called optimization in this game

[@danielolmedo5822]

With dxvk small files solves optimization problems, it replaces dx9 for vulkan

[@turtlenoheart]

Or idiotic youtubers that spoil the story.

[@mausolus8466]

Yeah, not being able to purchase additional safehouses was a big drawback for me as well. Especially in San Andreas, I loved to buy houses - that feeling of having safe base of operations (marking my territory), and often choose them more for location and visuals (feeling comfy in my stronghold xD) rather than purely practical effect (I loved countryside and desert, so most of those houses went under my control). Which is a shame in case of GTA 4, as with all honesty, I found Niko to be most interesting and also most likeable of all GTA protagonists.

[@theshape8839]

You have a safe house in every city of gta 4 ….. 2 in Algonquin if you kill playboy x

[@YungJack913]

The driving is one thing that bothered me in GTA 4...GTA 5 felt so smooth

[@mrjotaro]

Finally thank you this channel is one of the best GTA KZbin channels I’ve been waiting for you to do gta 4 and gta 5 theories and analysis videos

[@TheRav3n]

I remembers playing this for the first time but feeling uncomfortable. Liberty City in presentation was bleak and dark, but I did love how real and beautiful the city and environment was

[@miguelpasamano4995]

My only complaint about the HD UniVerse is they turned Lazlow from 1 of the few mostly sane people in New York City or Los Santo into an annoying creep with lots of issues! They should've kept the ChatterBox thing going in GTA 4 and either made ChatterBox hearable from Los Santos or just left Lazlow out of GTA 5!

[@Dabs_55]

Nahh he went back to his VCS days when he was the intern on V Rock. Couzin Ed rules!

[@warmachinesdrawn4310]

Well, one thing i didn't like like at all about GTA IV was the Friendship system. Whenever i wanted to explore the city i got a call from Roman telling me to go bowling. Yeah, i know you can call them back to cancel the date without any penalty, however, it's really tedious and boring.

[@ninochaosdrache3189]

My reason was, because it was such a huge downgrade. So many content from the previous games got removed (Vigilante, Paramedic and Firefighter missions), the game took itself way too serious and lacked whacky missions (planting bombs with an RC helicopter, shooting down RC planes with a minigun, having to defend yourself against drug addicted suicide bombers etc), mission variety was non-existent and the driving physics came from satan himself.

[@patrick4247]

I finished the game last month and have more than $400.000. What can I spend this on? Cars - No Houses - No Business - No Tuning - No Please tell me

[@siyacer]

nothing

[@TurnSene]

​@@siyacerand yet people call this game a masterpiece. This game is dirt.

[@berkin88punk]

Bro it’s 2024 and I still can’t play GTA 4 at my pc. How can they make such a broken game?

[@randommemesandvids]

Dude it's your PC that's dead😂😂, mine worked instantly

[@RholynjayLim]

This game was even mentioned in Marvel's Spider-Man 1 multiple times, first was the mentioned of Niko and Roman on a side mission, and the credits of Marvel's Spider-Man 1, where the Lost MC make an appearance. I even made a headcannon that GTA IV happened in Insomniac Spider-Man.

[@eamonreidy9534]

After GTA San Andreas and Vice City Stories, this game felt like a massive regression. Except in ways like UI and graphics which were dictated by the more powerful PS3. But it still made the franchise a respected one culturally, was critically praised and sold amazingly well.

[@arnabrajshow8988]

GTA 4 TBOGT felt more like a GTA title. The base game had a nicely written story, nice characters but…. The vibe was no where to be existent. The story was a masterpiece but the game itself just felt like a pre alpha version of GTA 5 when I played.

[@MsMRkv]

Agreed.

[@Archiephiu]

@@arnabrajshow8988 GTA IV's story is amazing, but it just doesn't feel like a story to be told in a GTA because of ludonarrative dissonance. If it was a completely different game, it would've been way better imo

[@berkzerch1777]

I think it would be pretty great to play a gta as a successor of the protagonists trying to figure out what happened to the original protagonists.

[@randomchillguy55]

GTA 4's map was supposed to be a lot bigger than what we see, it was supposed to include areas based on Long Island upstate New York, Connecticut and New Jersey, but because of console limitations at the time we got what we got, I'm sure if GTA 4 was made today Rockstar would be able to include all that. With all that said, GTA 4 along with the DLC expansions still turned out to be great games and it was an awesome introduction to the HD universe of GTA.

[@South_park_boy]

But gta 4 already was new jersey, it's Alderney

[@randomchillguy55]

Part of gta 4 is based in New Jersey, i should have worded my comment better, when I listed off the locations, I was referring to the countryside that was originally supposed be in the game, mountain ranges, farm land, forests, the Jersey swamps, potentially other cities and other small towns.

[@Sleezeball99]

They also had to redo the entire map because of there game engine.

[@kocant1274]

Console limitations? Gta SA had a bigger map and more content despite being on a worse console. Gta 5, despite being on the same console, had bigger map, more content, better graphics

[@South_park_boy]

@@kocant1274 yeah but the 2008 technology was not to good

[@larryconnerjr1835]

It was almost impossible to drive motorcycles in GTA 4 it was so hard and awkward that when I played it I just refused to drive them the slippery feeling of driving cars and motorcycles were one of the biggest problems with playing GTA 4 and Niko Bellic also just wasn’t as cool as CJ Johnson and the San Andreas world map was obviously superior to the boring skyscraper world map of GTA 4

[@sanskarthepro]

That thumbnail made me cry already😢

[@automation7295]

@Catmobster7586 So you're accepting that people were born during 2010's and 2020? They were all born too late.

[@idontknow20404]

@Immathebeeest644 exactly bro

[@louisnapolitano]

GTA IV is an amazing and dark storyline

[@gaminginvestigators]

For me, it's also a great advantage of this game.

[@MR_ZERO230]

It my favorite gta

[@holad-jlsegovia-423]

It is the writing and setting that make GTA 4 stand out but in the GTA-style gameplay department, I've always felt like it was lacking in so many aspects. As much as I love the game, it'll never be my go-to GTA game and stuff like this is why I absolutely understand why GTA V has a more fun approach to it's gameplay, why it creates an over the top caricature of LS and it's characters and why it's gameplay feels more arcade, it might not be the style for a lot of people as well but they nailed it out of the park in those aspects, same as GTA 4 but in a different direction.

[@thec.e.oofbasedindustries8013]

Look, I'm gonna be honest. I started playing GTA 4 recently and I get why people think it's so good but it's not the best in the series in my opinion

[@TobiDyLetsPlay100]

[...] ,,the same is the case with characters, who looked much more serious and its difficult to find a kind of caricature among them'' [...] **Shows Manny on Screen** Comedy Gold i have to admit! xD

[@richardhope7355]

Personally, I never enjoyed GTA 4. Liberty City has always been my least favourite map

[@OreWaGundam00]

I just recently finished GTA 4, and I missed all the things I could do in GTA SA, The Environment in Kinda gloomy and depressing but it's a good game. just doesn't match the GTA vibe

[@intelligentspeculator7327]

I will be controversial, but the game's story was simple and overall, not particularly interesting either, if you look at it without nostalgia glasses. The main plot is great, yes, but recall that the walkthrough is long, approximately 100 missions and most of them do not progress Nico and Roman's lives virtually at all. The main story could have been told in 10-15 missions, while the remaining ones are filler, comic relief or average, random stuff at best. There is also no sense of career progression whatsoever, like we saw in Vice City or SA, or even turbulent story progression, like in GTA5. Even GTA3 was giving you missions from bosses that were more and more powerful every time, to the point of almost becoming a made man, whereas in GTA4 it only happens with the Italian mob and not even to that extent. We are doing missions for low level Irish punks, for second-tier, half-broke Italian mobsters, for some gym-obsessed nobody and for a few other lowlifes, with a few exceptions. At the end, Nico is practically at the same place as 90 missions earlier, just with a bit of money saved up from being a low-tier muscle for hire. That's not what I expect from a long story. Moreover, missions' gameplay was also average and repetitive: drive somewhere, whack a guy, a shootout will follow and then you shake off the cops. Compare it to the fun and varied missions in SA, GTA5 or even TBOGT, so it's not like Rockstar didn't know hot to make very entertaining missions before or even at the time of GTA4. Add to that the depressing and sad climate of the game, unlike any other GTA. Even TLAD, although dark, had this unique badass, biker climate in it, whereas the climate in GTA4 was simply sad, without anything more. At first it looked like it would be Russian-mob themed, but very quickly that part was shifted to the sideline. People play videogames to unwind, not to be reminded every two minutes that the American dream is a lie and that the world is corrupt and fake: we already know that, that's precisely one of the reasons why we play games like GTA. All these things considered, you may still love this game, but don't be surprised if most people don't feel like going back to or even like finishing this game. It simply doesn't offer you much reason to do it. Even myself have replayed every GTA game except for this one. I finished GTA4, gave it a solid 7 out of 10 and that's it. It's not bad, it's just average at best for a GTA. Sorry, but there are obvious reasons why this game is almost never mentioned, when fans talk about their favorite Grand Theft Auto games.

[@greenwizard7592]

The whole point of the GTA games is to commit crimes and become successful. This is where GTA 4 falls flat. I have nothing against the ‘crime doesn’t earn’ message, but it shouldn’t be in a game like GTA. Rockstar chose to have a deep message over fun and in my opinion, it didn’t pay off. For some reason the popular opinion on the internet is to act like this is the greatest game of all time. It’s baffling to me how people can still call this game underrated, when 90% of every GTA 4 related video is people saying this is the greatest GTA of all time.

[@adriansessoms6081]

Fantastic write up. I love gta games. Been playing since gta 3. This shit was mediocre. The part where you mentioned the lack of variety in missions especially stood out. Boring as hell after a while. I think now a days it’s just cool to say gta 4 is the best gta. People have gta v fatigue after so many years and I feel like that’s the response

[@adriansessoms6081]

Fantastic write up. I love gta games. Been playing since gta 3. This shit was mediocre. The part where you mentioned the lack of variety in missions especially stood out. Boring as hell after a while. I think now a days it’s just cool to say gta 4 is the best gta. People have gta v fatigue after so many years and I feel like that’s the response

[@intelligentspeculator7327]

​@@adriansessoms6081 Thanks. Yes, I totally agree that there is a GTA5 fatigue, as Rockstar has gotten lazy on GTA Online money and this game is still playable enough to go back to and call it a classic. There have also been extremely few good, real-life sandbox games in the last 10 years, as most gamers choose online shooters or a complete, fantasy escapism. Let's hope Mafia 4 and GTA 6 change the landscape a little bit.

[@Munozway]

The driving was a learning curve at first. But once you get it it’s not bad. It’s just more work and you can go full speed everywhere you go. But at least when you have missions where you have to chase people they don’t go as fast as well

[@boompanotpanotskie5042]

I like the driving in GTA IV, I feel the weight of the car while your driving it , but in GTA V when you driving a car its so very light like a plastic car

[@nikobowling1606]

One thing that many people don't understand about GTA IV, is that Rockstar just wanted to go in a different direction. It may seem like a downgrade from San Andreas to you, but that's only because the two games have different ideas and proposals. For me, what makes GTA IV my favorite is precisely its simplicity, coupled with a super explorable and lively city. If you don't like it, fine, go play the other games in the franchise that are more to your taste. But don't make comparisons like "gta iv doesn't have this, gta san andreas has this", learn to like the game for what it is, not for what you would like it to be.

[@greenwizard7592]

The thing is, it shouldn’t have gone in a different direction. GTA 4 doesn’t really feel like a GTA game to me. The point of the GTA games is to become successful by committing crimes. GTA 4 is not about that, it’s about the negative and unfun side of crime. I think this is weird, because games are supposed to be fun. GTA 4 chose deliberately to not be fun, so I could push a simple message

[@SonicAdventureEnjoyer]

And San Andreas is just a better game, they're in the same franchise so it's perfectly fine to compare to the two.

[@ghost_emre_a7710]

The car physics in Gta IV are my favorites but they could make braking better and they could tweak the motorcycle physics. This could be the upgraded variant of Gta IV physics for Gta VI.

[@Nickoboss29]

Braking is fine, it's just that wheels lock up only in cars with no ABS

[@Thaumiel98]

GtaVI should have a toned down version of GtaIV physics. Less bodyroll, stiffer suspension, more grip.

[@runarvollan]

Liberty City AGAIN? 11 years later and people realize gaming peaked with GTAIV

[@xXSilentAgent47Xx]

The real reason why "map" is small is because of disc space and time. It was stated by Dan Houser on interview that they already wanted to make LC bigger with including the rest of around NY in it. Including forests and hills, which was given in GTA 5. Too many games were being made at that time that they had to drop some corners of not making GTA 4 on the level of GTA 5. And it was following realistic story about how struggle of earning is like in reality. Buying properties is uneccesary because majority of "community" you mentioned don't even care to even be "living" on those places. You cannot do anything in than watching TV and change clothes. Most were just choosing CJ's house or one of SF-LV houses, the rest around the map was unused and even they reused same interiors on most places. RDR2 addressed this same which is why getting for a dollar rentable room is fittable in the game world (which is basically GTA 4 2.0 and made a lot of money). In RDR1 you can buy properties, which in RDR2 can't. They dropped that feature out because it's very lame to them. And plus majority of players don't even spend much in properties in GTAO, they just exit outside and do brainless grinding and having fun. GTA 4 mp is far better because it's not addicting and it's based on fun. There are no big rewards for reaching 10 rank because... Well, they cared for everyone not to be addicted on grinding.

[@drippyog3935]

Cuckstar fan cope

[@cydragon2.099]

I thought the flying car cheat was to also reference the somewhat sentient and flying car from the wizarding world of Harry Potter

[@randomargument972]

First time you can shoot 360 from driver's position and first time you can use taxi. Also, wanted level can be lost after exiting the circle. Also first time you have multiple choices. Also first time you can hang out with characters AFTER you finish the game. But yea, it'd be cool if you had Harrier, attack chopper, heat seeking manpads, racings, jets, indistructable tanks and few more things. It has charm of it's own. If we talk about GTA SA vs GTA 4 We are comparing apples and oranges here.

[@bom2717]

IV is an exception to the series as a whole, not just in comparison to SA. And more dialogue does not make a better story.

[@fredster594]

GTA IV is an interesting game. It has some of the best world building, atmosphere and storytelling in the series and it's probably the most fun game in the series to free roam and mess around in due to how much fun the euphoria ragdoll physics are and because the game doesn't have as much bullshit as the other GTA games have with its enemy AI. With that said however, GTA IV is probably the worst in the entire series content wise. There's not a single main mission or piece of side content that is fun in this game. All of the missions in the game are extremely basic, repetitive and tedious to play through and they almost never spice it up with anything new. The worst part is that the missions in GTA IV never get better, it's not like in San Andreas where the missions starts off very basic and simple but as you'd progress, you'd get more action packed and varied missions. This is why GTA IV becomes an absolute chore to play through, especially in its third act where Niko is working with the mafia families in Alderney. And don't even get me started on the side content. There was so much variety and fun side activities to do in the 3D era GTA games and there was an actual reason to participate in them due to completing them granted the player stat upgrades, rewards and new abilities. In GTA IV most of them are either removed and no longer give you rewards or they're just straight up worse than 3D era like Vigilante for example. The biggest issue is that for the most part, you'll participate in hangouts with friends and girlfriends. Now this doesn't sound like a bad idea in hindsight, however once you realize that most of the hangout activities are just things you can do during free roam alone, the hangouts become a chore, especially after you've already done all the activities the game has in store for you. GTA IV is far from a bad game, it has some of the best things the series has to offer however the things it does bad is also some of the worst things the series has to offer. The mission design and side content is honestly such a glaring flaw for me that it's literally the only reason why I put GTA IV below SA and V.

[@fredster594]

@Catmobster7586 What's wrong with GTA IV's free roam?

[@fredster594]

@Catmobster7586 When I mean free roam I don't mean activities or side content, I mean the open world free roam where you cause mayhem without cheats and other modification. The reason why I think IV is the best in that regard is simply because GTA IV is a much more balanced game in terms of difficulty compared to the 3D GTAs and GTA V which made rampaging, police chases and commiting crimes a lot more fun and fair. In 3D GTA and V, there are many instances where you'd just get insta killed over some random bullshit like a car running you over or enemies having pin point accuracy to the point where you have barely any time to react.

[@fredster594]

@Catmobster7586 I mean if you read me comment earlier you'd see that I was being very critical of GTA IV and I even said I preferred GTA SA and V over IV.

[@Lucky2000Zx]

I pretty much agree with you, except for the main story missions can be enjoyable but is definitely not on the same level as SA. As I think the side missions can be become dull rather quickly, especially for 100%

[@geronimohenry4059]

GTA 4 was my first ever grand theft auto game, to me this game was amazing and perfect as is. When I grew older and played the other games it made me realize that’s gta 4 was lacking a lot of things, though it is still my one of my favorite games ever made.

[@iota7sharma722]

Well of course don't compare a 2000s game to 2020s

[@dylanhudec979]

@MamaLuigggii664 why do you always have to spam in comments it’s their opinion not yours get a life

[@aastik99]

In India particularly these factors made this game unpopular Story is good

[@cydragon2.099]

DXVK helps with performance and you just need to cap the fps at 59 to get into the heli without a specific file from patch8 and fixed the 60fps issue

[@TabbyEgg312]

and it fixes bikes that is so unstable

[@tahahadada1936]

As always great quality videos ,you really add value to the market . From a person from a third world country I would like to add to the reason why gta4 was not as famous as gtav and gta sa ،is that marketing of the game it self ,rockstar did not target new players it targeted first world countries only .

[@AlryFireBlade]

My Reason. I played on PS2 from 2002-2013. So I just can't play GTA4 until I got a PS3 in 2013, where GTAV was already released.

[@bigbossrob]

ps2 as your main console in 2013 is bonkers

[@hubertluck]

Szczerze mówiąc to cieszę się że ktoś z polski robi dobre wyświetlenia w języku angielskim, to pokazuje jak dobry jest content który robisz w języku polskim 😊

[@ramza675]

GTA 4 had a nice story and I enjoyed the gunplay. The driving part took awhile to get used too but I ended up hating driving around the city.

[@rahulverma8774]

yes People fail to realize that previous gtas and gta 5 were fun bcz even if we ignore the missions, open world is fun to interact with Unlike gta 4 where open world is not that great It also feels empty after all story missions are over Thats why i never tried to 100% gta 4

[@MaxLittleBuddy]

I replayed GTA4 story so many times, on PS3 and PC I still play it sometimes just to go bowling with friends or do some dumb stuff. Also I miss the old MP However GTA5, I finished the story once and never touch it again. Even though I bought both PS3 and the PS4 version There ain't many things to do post game and friends won't call me. And no, I hated GTA Online.

[@Jean-ClaudeGodDamn]

Not getting rewards for side missions is the worst part of GTA4 and GTA5.

[@nitrosodium]

The only thing i'm upset about GTA4 (which the EFLC fix) is that you can't go shoot someone up after finishing the story (and side missions). Gangs are just NPCs who turn hostile when provoked.

[@wfanking1187]

The thing with Niko is he is a ready made character with back grounds of an off screen war that has little to do with the story except finding Darko and also a human trafficking hypocrite who says he hates crimes but still traps Gracie for the diamonds and kills the honest charitable Lawyer offering jobs just because that poor man wanted to expose Francis's corruption, Niko does everything for money. Also he is ready made and there is nothing you can do to his personality, but with 3D era protagonists you get the feeling of raising your own son making them learn stuff like martial arts watching them grow from gangsters to rich and powerful business man you see all parts of the progress of their life, but with Niko you just get to be a part of a portion of his life also 3D gtas had so many side stuff like VCS you could take over enemy gang biz and make them your own assets and so much more, but 4 after the story ends there is nothing to do, no challenges or parachuting form mountains, its just a dull nd boring monotonous city, hanging with friends gets repetitive, the mission structures of GTA 4 itself is repetitive chase, kill, escape cops, no diverse missions like in VCS Boomshione Blowout getting past explosive debris. Ultimately we are playing games not watching movies, feature wise 4 cut out too much stuff and if story is more important Mafia 2 does it better in every aspect than any GTA game ever made, and all GTAs have good stories of their own not just 4!

[@MsMRkv]

The problem with GTA 4 is that it doesn't offer much in terms of replayability. Once you complete the campaign, most people will never touch the game ever again.

[@symboltherapper]

People didn’t skip it compared to gta5, it’s just that gta5 came out. If gta 6 came out 3 years ago people wouldn’t still be buying 5, plus the fact they’ve upgraded the graphics on gta5 releasing it on ps4 and ps5 and then gta online. If they ever remake 4 it will sell really well I believe. GTA 5 also felt more like San Andreas adding back more rpg elements which I also believe fans wanted

[@atesztoth]

I have heard this driving in GTA IV is so hard kind of saying many times. The more I hear it the more I become convinced people who only can “drive” using the break-and-drift system of NFS should not form opinions about this topic… Extremely annoying.

[@brencaaa]

I remember when GTA IV came out I was shocked by the amazing attention to detail the devs had, the game felt really "focused" from the first playthrough and the changes made from the previous titles where conscious decision aimed at polishing the experience and help immersing you in the atmosphere and story (at least it felt that way to me). With GTA V seemed they took multiple steps back, it felt more "insicure" about itself, needing to bring back way to much silliness and "filler content" to please as much people as possible (which it did). To this day I still enjoy playing through GTA IV (and the EFLC) from time to time, while I can't say the same for GTA V.

[@RonsaRRR]

Main reason - game has no GTA V' Online. GTA IV's online is much different.

[@GrumpyCat97]

true

[@genzeuronymous7787]

The reason is simple, it was the biggest leap in system requirements ever in any gta

[@Loop-dee-loopz]

my first GTA was Vice City. it was summer after 2nd or 3rd grade, me and my friends discovered it on a nearby computer shop on our neighborhood. we watched this guy play it and we laugh out loud whenever the guy rams the pedestrians using a car. after that we played it ourselves and had fun with it then I heard San Andreas thru my brothers story about it when he played it in a computer shop at the downtown area of our place where my brother's high school university is located. then soon a new computer shop opens nearby with new games including San Andreas. I had my turn to play it but mostly random stuffs and didnt do any missions (similar to vice city, I didnt do missions until im older). when it was my time to go to High School, same school my brother went. Ive been exposed to many computer shops that offers new games. it was 2008 and I saw GTA 4. it was all brand new for me and very different from the past GTA entries, I only played a couple of multiplayer modes with my classmate but didnt played GTA 4 that much. fast forward to 2023. I have played Vice City and San Andreas most and had fun with it, even finishing the game numerous times on mobile, Pc and the definitive Editions and just now I started playing GTA 4 and finished the storyline, I have yet to explore the city to fully enjoy it but I can say that GTA 4's mission storyline is worth repeating. in my observation, since GTA 4 is the HD version of GTA 3 (liberty City), Claude and Niko has similarities, they dont do big things on their own and just rely on the commands/plans of others.

[@sambacherr]

Haven't watched the full vid so no idea if they mentioned this or not but one of the biggest reasons is GTA has been re-released 4 or 5 times now. The amount of unique purchases I have to imagine is far lower than the total copies sold.

[@siyacer]

the problem was 30 minute long missions that you had to completely restart if you even remotely fucked up with no checkpoint system

[@Iwasherelol14]

I still play it time to time and I have to drive like I’m driving irl, I enjoy it but I remember everyone sending it online and expected to make turns

[@Bradtownley254]

this is what i have been waiting for

[@UnknownFromNow]

Gta iv was amazing trough out my whole childhood from the gfwl days till I graduated in 2018, i played it annually and finished the game over a couple dozen times and all i can tell you is that the game was ahead of its time and the multiplayer was one of the most fun moments i had playing video games in my childhood, shame it didn’t get a new gen remaster because the game was a masterpiece

[@dragonmanahan]

When I had to upgrade my Video card because of GTA V Requirements. I went back to play GTA IV I felt dizzy all of a sudden that I had to stop.

[@Snowaxe3D]

My PC at the time couldn't run it, so I never bought it

[@TFFgeek]

I think it was because that while story-wise it's a good game (and this is talking in hindsight), but the story and characters were too alien. GTA has always been about Americans chasing the American high. Also, there was also a plethora of famous voice actors who voiced the main characters. Suddenly there was an Eastern European and a load of unknown voice actors. So it broke with things that made GTA appealing. Also, maybe people didn't relate to Niko because his backstory was so specific.

[@BossToastMaker]

I wonder how many people can relate to a retired bank robber in witness protection program 😂

[@TFFgeek]

I guess not many, but that's a thing that has come along in movies and television series. So they have a vague frame of reference.

[@PoProstuBoniacz]

Unless you are from Central-East Europe like me

[@channel45853]

Who's gonna tell BossToastMaker?

[@flamingeel3196]

gta 4 has no difficultly hated missions

[@thenocturnalwanderer]

Definitely my favourite GTA story, but the thing that bothers me is that Niko WAS really a hypocrite. He helped out Roman clear his debtby threatening the people who were in debt to Vlad. No matter how much one tries to justify it (or doesn't), you realize that Niko has ended way more lives than Darko and shows no remorse while doing so, and that cutscene really drives that point home. I guess it contributes to his personality.

[@sliceoflife91]

And also him roasting the american dream and country as a whole yet chasing money and believing that living in US will magically clear all the troubles he thought he left in Europe. He is in a constant conflict of bemoaning american dream yet somewhat believing in it, being somewhat a good hearted person yet happily kill other thugs for money.

[@garval9453]

i remember when i used to play gta 4 multiplayer with my friend, tryin to have fun even if there wasnt any interesting activities, miss this times a bit

[@MisterBig-10]

The only reason I didn't play GTA 4 was that I never had a PS3 or PC PS2 and PS4 only I've platinumed the franchise on Playstation, but just needed it to close everything

[@TotalJerkFaces]

People coping on Gta 4 these days is kinda cringe ,this is Rockstar we talk about not Ubisoft…,, all R* games are improved over the previous one and thats a fact people tryna defend it are act so they looks like have “taste”

[@K3rhos]

GTA IV only have a great story and great physics, and that's all, like you already said in the videos, we lost all the funs we had in the previous titles (side activities, colorful and "arcady" world, set of weapons, like chainsaw, flame thrower, katana, etc..., a lot of various vehicles, includings planes), GTA IV is not a bad game, but it's really different from what R* used to with the previous titles. I consider it a great game nowdays, but at the time it release I was also would prefer GTA San Andreas (2004), Vice City Stories (2006), or even Saints Row 2 (2009).

[@twillz265]

My personal gripe with the game is was using Liberty City as a location. I get LC was used to match the theme of story but it was just an overused location at that point.

[@stevenvagovics]

GTA IV is my most favorite game of all time. I love the deep story and I got hooked when I was a teenager right away. Maybe I got to love it so much also because I live in Eastern Europe (Slovakia) and it was always my dream to move to New York (and still is). The story highlights how it’s not so easy and that the American dream sounds too sweet to be true. I think that’s why the story resonates with me a lot to this day.

[@NicolasChiribelo]

I think a lot of the issues with driving were framerate related. GTA IV, like all previous GTA games, wasn't designed for 60 FPS, but 30 FPS instead. The physics, although maybe not purely realistic as some people claim they are, gave the game a nice learning curve that stepped up the difficulty a bit from the simpler "plug and play" style of the 3D era. I personally love it, although I can understand why some don't.

[@iota7sharma722]

I've heard how this game was meant to be much more with a liberty state with mountains and stuff maybe much content which was left out. However due to time constraints and the crash of 2008 it was released like meh half finished

[@Ebalosus]

Uh, GTA IV was released *before* the GFC, not after.

[@iota7sharma722]

@@Ebalosus Dude it takes a year for a economic bubble crash to build up approx, not a instant crash like a software. Look up financial crash of 08, it started in 07

[@iota7sharma722]

Oh well you're one of the anti-gta iv kids . Not gonna debate with you 👶

[@mikey2438]

I'm not saying the game was bad or that I hated it, but it was a chore to do anything in that game because the walking and running was so sluggish, and the driving was tough

[@crash4267]

Skill issue bruh

[@GameSpirit1]

@Catmobster7586 Get gud

[@crash4267]

@Catmobster7586 if me as a 13 year old boy back then can easily master gta 4's driving physics then you should be too lol

[@crash4267]

@Catmobster7586 still, driving in GTA 4 is not hard

[@cholou9708]

@Catmobster7586 Driving in gta 4 is not hard, and not i'm not a fanboy... you just have to improve your skills and that's it. I like drifting in gta 4 while the cops are chasing me.

[@ananthapadmanabhan6340]

I love both gta 4 and gta 5. Both games are best in their own areas.Both have a well written story. My request to players is that don't compare these 2 masterpieces. ❤

[@Outpassed]

i miss this game so much hope we get a port to newer consoles soon

[@Killabear-en2xq]

It does bother me a bit that we have SO many buses and bus lanes in GTA4 and you can't utilize them over the taxi. I personally enjoy using the train system to navigate from time to time. Mixes up the gameplay, allows for immersion.

[@H-Real_8]

I recently am replaying it and the dlcs, which I am enjoying infact I played tbogt nearly everyday this year. I appreciate 4 greatly but I just can't stand the physics, they are exaggerated and comically broken and the only time I enjoy them is when funny incidents happen. Just as long as they don't ruin a mission. As well as everything else mentioned in this video.

[@sussy_baka999]

The thing that I most hate about gta iv is that on every corner are police officers.

[@quitehat7819]

My first car drive in GTA 4 felt so different and my first crash coming out of the front window was so funny I kept doing it until I got bored. The physics on GTA 4 was soo insane I hate in GTA 5 they removed some of it.

[@bigbossrob]

Imagine skipping the best GTA with the best storyline hands down😩 suck to be them😬

[@RINNTHEKING]

I actually prefer GTA 4 over GTA 5 cause It feels more immersive but it is also arcade like sometimes

[@Itz_Sonic57053]

Honestly, GTA IV would of been better if we had East Island, Algonquin Expanded & Bohan being a bit bigger. Instead of Alderney, we could of had the Long Island of GTA IV & explore more of Liberty State hell we would even gotten a railroad that runs from East Island to Algonquin/Broker. He could of also had a Staten Island and the entire map of Liberty City would be complete! He would've gotten more adventures around Liberty, different missions, and even fly around Liberty!

[@EpicPianoArrangements]

You don't need to change the games CPU affinity to complete the last mission - just put a frame limiter in Nvidia Control panel at 60fps and it works just fine.