ALL HAIL THE KING - Fate/Samurai Remnant - 16

[@NicoB]

You know you're about to get messed up when the game asks you if you're ready to fight...then asks again "No seriously, you sure though?"

[@infinitykiyen6270]

Oh yeah Gilgamesh can rule over the world because his passive ability is Gate of Babylon and its abilities is... Its basically item box and it automatically generated everything humanity owned. Yes he pretty much already have 100 of everything humanity have even currently "military force" If he's summoned in modern age he will also YEET nuke out of his infinite item box. So he can 100% rule over the world... Its not even a question of how. He already have enough weapons as he is. He just needs an army who will nevet bored him of this "sure win battle" Iori who always brings entertainment for him will be a good fitting... Its enough for him to rule over the world.

[@QuizMasterEntertainment]

Good, it was about time for the king to show off

[@icefiredragon94]

Listen when you're fighting the protagonist of the world's oldest translated legend/fanfiction you know you're in for a bad time. those who read it can see why it translates to his fate abilities being some of the most BS things ever

[@infinitykiyen6270]

Oh yeah also once he ruled over the world when he's bored he will give it away to his retainer by rank of loyalty so... Iori in that ending became the first human to completely united the world too... Yes its funny when you know the meaning of Gilgamesh power...

[@SeiyaTempest]

Gilgamesh's not called the King of Heroes for nothing, he's on another level.

[@SporeMovieMaker23]

So fun fact about Li Shuwen in this game. Miyamoto Iori was born in 1612 and died in 1678. Li Shuwen, on the other hand, was born in 1864, around 200 years after Iori died. That's why Li Shuwen revealed his True Name without hesitation; no one would know who he is XD

[@vivalaglavii6736]

Crafty old man. Shame he doesn't get more screen time, since the other game I know him from (Extella Link) doesn't give him much screen time either.

[@MultiDante333]

@@vivalaglavii6736 he gets more screentime in his origin game Fate/Extra as a proper servant with a master

[@LucasF25]

😂😂

[@brenoanselmo9563]

The dude died in the 1930s, he knew what a TV was hehe

[@nlamlam1289]

and Fate Redline (serious guda guda)but he is Lancer here

[@SnowWizard174]

To add a little context to the fight you had against the King of Heroes, Boss/Gilgamesh: Yes, his golden armor and slick back, spiky hair is usually how he’s commonly depicted when he’s summoned as an Archer and the way he fights is also how he usually fights in his other iterations as well. His “fighting style” is simply to spam his own Noble Phantasm, “Gate of Babylon”, which acts as a vault where he keeps everything that interests him or that he considers a treasure. Everything that he fires from it are considered Noble Phantasms in their own right, but they’re mostly used as projectiles since he never cared enough to actually learn how to use them. And if you think that’s insane enough as is, he has other Noble Phantasms that he usually never uses unless he actually intends to get serious, meaning he never even took the fight seriously to begin with. But be thankful that he didn’t, otherwise you would’ve vaporized where you stood and this game would’ve had another premature ending.

[@natchu96]

To not downplay his abilities in the wrong areas, he is actually a fairly skilled and accomplished warrior and highly proficient in nearly any form of armed, unarmed, and even magecraft combat. It's just that he literally owns too much stuff; his usage of any specific weapon or noble phantasm is shallow when compared to other heroes that have wielded their iconic weapons of the trade to absolute mastery. Against a less legendary opponent he can have them helpless on the floor in seconds. Of course he rarely deems anyone worthy of making him actually exert physical effort, so he normally just stands in place and shoots. Your attacks are so insignificant he won't even summon actual shields to defend himself, as opposed to just throwing random stuff in your path.

[@plumaDshinigami]

Nico, you fighting Gilgamesh is practically the same as you fighting Sephiroth in the first Kingdom Hearts without knowing who the One-Winged Angel is. Congratulations, now you see that the Supreme King title is no joke.

[@MozillaVulpix]

Gilgamesh being so strong that he breaks the framerate is the most Gilgamesh thing ever. He's basically *the* most powerful Heroic Spirit because the Epic of Gilgamesh is perhaps one of the oldest surviving pieces of literature in all of human civilisation. At the very least, he's one of the world's oldest legendary 'heroes', hence why he calls himself the King of Heroes. That being said, he's not completely invincible. This series runs on Rule of Cool sometimes, and finding a way to defeat Gilgamesh is definitely cool, so there's always going to be some way to beat him.

[@joelsasmad]

Mainly it is the fact that he never takes anyone seriously ever that makes it so he can lose to people that are reasonably weaker than him

[@anya-6]

Gotta love how Boss doesn’t lift a finger during the waxing moon ritual despite being summoned as Ruler, keeps pushing his job onto Iori and Saber, is only worried about hoarding, keeps insulting Iori and Saber, can’t be bothered to help in any real way and then he’s like: “How dare you not abandon all your goals and lifestyle to follow me in world domination?!” …guess it tracks.

[@fafaaf61]

So the reason why Li Shuwen is willing to say his True Name so readily is because it's literally impossible for anyone to recognize his true name. The reason is simple: relative to the time period of Samurai Remnant, Li Shuwen is from the future. Li Shuwen is a martial artist that was born in 1864. Samurai Remnant takes place in 1651. No one should be able to recognize his name at this period and therefore, no one can learn his weaknesses. And yes, this is something that can happen in Holy Grail Wars. The Throne of Heroes, the dimension where all heroic spirits exist, is beyond time and space meaning even heroes from the future can be summoned (although since it would be impossible to obtain a catalyst for summoning, this generally never happens).

[@gymguy8780]

As one of big plot point in stay knight

[@MozillaVulpix]

It's funny because the practical reason Servants from the future aren't usually summoned is because most of these stories take place in the modern day. They *could* make some original character and say "they're some Heroic Spirit from the year 2200" or something, but I guess they don't want to get too deep into sci-fi speculative fiction. Even though they could.

[@ManTimeline]

​@@MozillaVulpixI mean, Chaldeas is a whole thing

[@MozillaVulpix]

@@ManTimeline True. But I do like how the FGO timeline lines up so that the events happen at the same time they're actually released on the (japanese) game server. It's never really the 'future', it's always the 'present'.

[@GabrielLopes-jj8rx]

@@MozillaVulpix They kinda aready did that with Kiara, BB and the Sakura five

[@hjt091]

Arjuna is kind of a Big Deal in India. The Mahabharata is an absolutely stonkingly huge epic poem that documents a horrible terrible war between two sets of warring cousins, and is basically the Hindu equivalent of the Illiad (but much, much longer). Arjuna is the third of five brothers (actually fourth of six but It's Complicated). All his brothers are demigod sons of various divinities, Arjuna's dad is Indra, the god of thunder and lightning. He's an existing Fate character already and most of his other appearances focus on his intense rivalry with his oldest brother Karna (see: It's Complicated), so it's kinda nice we're seeing a different side to him here.

[@agravain9006]

And in Fate he's so underequipped in terms of Noble Phantasms and even the lore details of Gandiva in Fate aren't really accurate to the Mahabharata. It's almost insulting.

[@blurb9319]

@@agravain9006 Yeah, him being introduced after his brother forced him to be a character foil, which did not fit the original Mahabharata. At the very least he's now being presented in a more positive light and not solely defined by his rivalry.

[@kenw4574]

Indian servants in Fate is bonkers, they are straight up the DBZ of mythologies, every time they fight, they are like in the tournament of power or something.

[@blurb9319]

@@kenw4574 Fate has a tenancy to both buff and nerf Hindu servants, though they usually nerf them so they don’t just instantly curb stomp everyone

[@Shinjiamagi12]

Fate overwank Karna that they had to make Arjuna underutilized most of the time. Even in LB4, it's so blatantly shown.

[@BulletBillSoilder]

Note: For the game to actually recognize you got Gilgamesh's joke ending ypu need to load from the autosave after it boots you to the main menu.

[@kenw4574]

Just something people should know, Li Shuwen was born in 1862 and died in 1934, so by all definition, this is a Servant summoned from the goddamn future from where the game takes place. So, even if he reveals his true name. Nobody on the Earth currently will even know who he is.

[@srlopez875]

Perhaps a Mage using some type future sight perhaps but that's more of a stretch and too convenient.

[@kenw4574]

@@srlopez875 funny you say that because Gilgamesh himself did that once when he’s still alive, he use his own future sight to summon future servants, 5 of them in fact, just because he’s so much stronger than modern mages.

[@Christian_Kim]

For anyone who doesn't know what the Gilgamesh ending is referring to, it’s a reference to a Japanese period drama called Mito Komon about Tokugawa Mitsukuni (the Shogun) going undercover as a merchant along with two retainers and solving problems all over Japan and the episodes end with them presenting the inro (the "medicine case") with the imperial seal after defeating the bad guys.

[@ethanhinton4549]

You know how each Sevrant has their special weapon/technique from their legend, called a Noble Phantasm? Gilagmesh's, Gate Of Bablyon, is his collection of treasures that, according to his legend, contained "all the world's treasures" at some point. So he can just summon everyone else's special weapons to pelt you with.

[@joelsasmad]

I think ot is specifically "All the treasures of humanity". As in he wouldn't have something like Excalibur, which was given to King Arthur by Fairies.

[@BlackfangDragon]

He also has passive skills where if he loses or gives away any treasures he will always get something that’s of greater worth than what he lost.

[@natchu96]

By insane Nasu logic, Gilgamesh's kingdom of Uruk had apparently reached such unfathomable heights of glory in his reign that they have essentially invented and developed every possible thing that will ever be conceived of by humankind, be it past, present, or future. And his treasury naturally has all that swag. As such he has prototypes of everything imaginable. Weapons that later become part of someone else's legend? Naturally. A portable hot spring bath (somehow)? Of course. He even has a holy grail, and faster than light spacecraft. You name it, he has it, or at least an equivalent item to it. Excalibur is forged by faeries for example, so he wouldn't have that, but he has probably millions of magic swords that shoot anti-fortress death lasers.

[@SteFive]

@@joelsasmad He may not have Excalibur, but if i'm not wrong he does have Caliburn or something similar to it which is impressive in itself

[@colt1903]

If he wanted to, he could've clashed Raging Currents with Saber😂

[@Wandersnatch.]

Li Shuwen here shows how the summoning system works. When they die they get recorded into something called Throne of Heroes that exists outside time itself, so servants can be summoned regardless of the time period.

[@Drekal684]

"Is he supposed to be one of the strongest Servants?" No, Nico. He's *the* strongest Servant that a human being can summon.

[@pablothecoffeelover2551]

Spoiler from a anime *Cough* Quetzalcoatl *cough*

[@kenw4574]

⁠@@pablothecoffeelover2551 yeah no, XD no human can summon Mrs Lucha Libre in a normal grail war. That’s a divine spirit we’re talking about.

[@kenw4574]

But argument can be made for Archer Hercules or Enkidu. Hell, even Karna and Arjuna can be considered top-tier contenders.

[@pablothecoffeelover2551]

@@kenw4574 But she is kinda strong actually question can masters summon gods as servants? Or Just mythical creatures or heroes

[@kenw4574]

@@pablothecoffeelover2551 only a select couple of gods like Euryale and Stheno (Medusa‘s sister) can be summon normally in normal grail war, mainly because most divine spirits are way too powerful to be summoned into a regular Servant body. If you want to summon a God for a Servant you have to be like our girl Kaya here and offer your or someone else’s bodies to them to turn into a pseudo servant.

[@Drekal684]

Just for some context for how strong Gilgamesh is. What you fought here is basically first form Freiza. He was holding back. It's still impressive as hell to beat him, but... If he didn't hold back, you'd be fighting Golden Frieza.

[@blurb9319]

To be fair, the fact he's using Enkidu means he's at like second form Freiza going by the same analogy (though the rogue nerf might put him back to first form)

[@claus_al_aerth]

Scratch that, it'd be Black Frieza, from the manga.

[@lionofash7700]

Yes, but the amount of times he DOESN'T hold back is... against like a total of 5 or some people in the world.

[@jesenang14]

For people who want to know gil full power just watch fate strange fake ep1

[@Cyriusization]

dunno if he watched/read much of dragonball a bleach analogy would probably better. He basically fought aizen before he fused with the hogyouko now and gils normal power would be aizen after fusing with it.^^

[@smugsneasel]

*sigh* Everyone's gonna talk about Gilgamesh but I'm just hung up on the fact that I'm gonna miss Aria being an active story point. Specifically NIco's reaction to her. That was the highlight of this playthrough.

[@Rognik]

Saber: ...is the day pigs fly. Circe: That can be arranged...

[@crazybagel9979]

Iori: Why do I......... hear boss music? Boss: That’s just my rad mix tape you’re hearing. A fine work of art if I say so myself!!!

[@tokatstorm9270]

He just has two of those kids playing dramatic music on a taiko and a pipe organ (somehow)

[@zeroknight1311]

Regarding the Gilgamesh fight, yeah, he's holding back so that Iori and Saber don't die in the first second. As he can just shoot hundreds of noble phantasms at you at Mach 10. And those Noble Phantasms are the stuff he collected and stores in the [GATE Of BABYLON], his noble phantasm, during his life. Of course, what he has in his collection are Prototype Noble Phantasms. And to explain what a Prototype Noble Phantasm, They're noble phantasms that exist as extremely powerful and unstable versions of the Noble Phantasms that other Servants have. Of course, he doesn't have all the prototype NPs thanks to how the prototype for Cu's Gae Bolg is Odin's Spear Gungnir. Not to be confused with Odin's Sphere, the game. -But I wouldn't be surprised if he has the Vanillaware game in his collection, as everything that exists after his death is automatically added to the [GATE Of BABYLON]. Minus Alien Artifacts and certain Divine Constructs such as Gungnir. Also, regarding his class of Ruler. It is now the third official class that Gilgamesh can be summoned into seen in Fate media, granted its been confirmed that he qualify to be summoned into any of the main seven classes which means a Grail War that only consists of him is possible. Anyway the requirements to be a member of the Ruler Class being that a Heroic Spirit must have no wish that they want to be granted and as such makes them become a neutral party in a Grail War if they're summoned. This works for Gilgamesh because it has been confirmed that he already has a Holy Grail in his Collection. Ironic as he lived thousands of years prior to Jesus drinking from the cup that would become the Grail.

[@joelsasmad]

He has been stated to qualify for all 7 of the original servant classes and it is cool to see him as a ruler here. Gate of Babylon is not only the treasures he has collected but it constantly expands on it's own to contain all treasures that are based on the wisdom of Babylon. So he has airplanes, submarines, countless magical weapons and artifacts created after him. Pretty much the only things he doesn't have are alien artifacts and divine constructs... though he has put some in there himself. He actually has completely lost track of what he has or not.

[@colt1903]

We need the Holy Gil War to happen one day. David Vincent and Tomokazu Seki would become billionaires in a night. 😂

[@FlameOfUdun96]

Breaking news: Local textile shop owner invokes divine wrath, more at 11

[@TannerOfTheNorth]

55:02 Li Shuwen is so cool, but one of the coolest things is being a person who died only relatively recently, we actually have pictures of him and records of his exploits. I currently live about 2 hours from his grave actually. Planning to visit it sometime this year and do some Fate Grand Order Gacha rolls near it (as is tradition of FGO players, respecting the characters by visiting them irl and asking for their blessing as a catalyst)

[@jvts8916]

Li Shuwen is interesting in that he's used in-universe as the example for one of the Servant summoning system's functions. If you're seen as having multiple peaks throughout your life, you'll be registered as multiple Servants in the Throne of Heroes. Therefore, Li Shuwen can be summoned as a young man or an old man. For example, imagine if both Hajime and Izuru could be summoned separately. One was said to have defeated Junko, the other was said to have enabled her. And each one was aware of the other.

[@darksoulsjaboi6160]

Nico, the things Gilgamesh was launching at you were other noble phantasms, you know sacred weapons of legendary heroes, he has access to all of them at any time and just throws them at you like they are bargain bin arrow, and he still has an ace that is even stronger than the ability to have literally every legendary weapon ever made on speed dial.

[@colt1903]

The"prototypes" of every legendary weapon

[@kenkaneki3873]

The compliment he gives Iori and Saber at the end of his boss fight is some of the highest praise you could possibly get from him. Gilgamesh seems to geniunely enjoy Iori and Sabers company to the point he still leaves open the possibility to travel with them depending on how the Waxing Moon Ritual ends.

[@kurtisharen]

Gilgamesh: "Saber, Iori, as a reward for defeating me, the Supreme Ruler of Heroes, I shall bestow upon you the greatest treasure I can confer." Proceeds to give the duo a coupon

[@Christian_Kim]

Ah, I see Nico has caught a glimpse of Gilgamesh’s true power. This should be fun to watch. Glad we get to see his raw reaction to his power!

[@pablothecoffeelover2551]

I wonder if he is gonna watch the anime

[@barneypurple3435]

I like that Nasuverse's Indian Mythology basically more or less runs on Dragon Ball logic.

[@MozillaVulpix]

I love the Hindu Hyperbolic Time Chamber

[@Viledove]

If some Indian-made adaptations of tales of the Mahabharata are to be believed, it being Indian Dragonball Z is how it is *by default*. Nasu had nothing to do with it. Some would even say Nasu's take isn't over the top *enough*, but that's as far as I can explain with confidence.

[@adrastos8401]

@@Viledove Yeah pretty much. Like Void Shiki and MHXA should be the only Fate series characters capable of even vaguely handling Karna and Arjuna at mythological power levels. And even then I would bet on the Hindu heroes.

[@fafaaf61]

So...let's talk a bit about Gilgamesh and the reason he's so utterly OP. So to start: there's a certain rule in Fate: the older something is the more powerful it gets. There are several reasons for this. The older an object is, the more "mystery" it gains or to put it another way older things have more mystique and history tied to them. In the Nasuverse this grants them extreme power. The second reason is that the older something is, the closer it is to it's "origin" or platonic ideal. Basically everything in the universe is to some degree, a copy of an "ideal" which is a concept introduced by Plato. Thus, most things in the modern world are "copies" of older more ancient things. In the Nasuverse, being closer to the original grants an incredible amount of power. In fact, its basically a rule that a copy can never overcome an original except in some very specific circumstances. Gilgamesh is the oldest hero in recorded history. This means that his age grants him an insane amount of mystery AND he is also the closest thing to the platonic ideal of a "hero" which means literally every heroic spirit is to some degree a copy of him (and you've heard the rule about copies). Not only that, in life Gilgamesh was noted collector of treasures, to the point where in the Nasuverse, it was said that he had collected all the treasures of the ancient world. These' "treasures" are the originals for EVERY SINGLE NOBLE PHANTASM. That's Gate of Babylon's true feature: it contains the "prototypes" for every weapon and power in human history which Gilgamesh is free to fire at will. Since they are "prototypes" they are in turn more powerful than even the versions that appeared in mythology. There are some Noble Phantasms that do not have their originals in the Gate, notably certain divine constructs. Despite this, Gate of Babylon is one of the most absurd Noble Phantasms ever as not only is it essentially every other Noble Phantasm combined, it's every Noble Phantasm improved and then combined. He also as two other Noble Phantasms unique to him, one of which (if you can believe it) is even more absurd that Gate of Babylon that luckily he doesn't use against Iori.

[@richiegonzalez5679]

*Except Excalibur, but that's another story.

[@icefiredragon94]

His story can be argued to be the oldest translated depiction of a Gary Sue. Did no wrong, very powerful from birth, can charm anyone, and even the only fuck up he had - letting the potion of immorality he had get eaten by a snake, is bandaged by the fact he gets over it and doesn't mind it while the reason he even looked for it wasn't really an issue. It's why his true NP can just wipe everything except himself out of existence - cause his tale (him) said so

[@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec]

@@icefiredragon94Oh no, he’s the first redemption story.

[@icefiredragon94]

​​@@KhanhNguyen-mh5eci suppose i don't see it that way as there...wasnt much for him to redeem for from his point of view. Plus the reaction to the elixir being eaten is just unrealistic, practically anyone would be angry at what happened. Everything else he felt justified in doing.

[@yuue925]

@@icefiredragon94 Gary sue ? Oo charm anyone? Gilgamesh from the Epic was an actual tyrant feared by the gods themselves that's why they decided to create Enkidu from clay so he could stop him (he had A LOTS OF WRONGS). Which didn't happen since those those two fought and became equals/friends (and even lovers in the Epic) . The snake was the only fucked up ? Not at all .....He feared Humbaba whom they fought and Enkidu made the final blow. He litteraly rejected Ishtar advances (the patron deity from Uruk and goddess of fertility and war) and insulted her. She cried to her father so he could lend her Gugalana the Bull of Heaven that she threw in Uruk. Gilgamesh and Enkidu fought it and did beat it (Enkidu threw the beast butt in Ishtar's face) . The gods were so angry they decided to kill those two. Shamash one of the gods managed to lessen Gilgamesh sentence but not Enkidu. He (they in fate) died , Gilgamesh holding his corpse for days and realising he lost his most precious treasure. After that Gilgamesh realised his mortality and feared death (he was called the king who didn't want to die) and went for the herb of immortality. His journey is litteraly a journey of redemption and and mourn for his friend. After the herb was stolen he realised the futility of his quest and also understood that the journey was what mattered and not the result in the end.He realised for once that all of his efforts were in vain and accepted it. It litteraly changed him and then he became a wise king and died of old age. The Epic of Gilgamesh is not only the oldest Epic but is also such a beautiful story of ones redemption and ones journey . I was only able to make a short summary since it's such a rich story (plus fate changing some small parts of it and also english not being my first language) If one day you have the chance to actually read it please do it's really good especially Jean Bottero actual translation of the Epic^^. Also his weapon is named after one of the major mesopotamian god and his np name comes form the mesopotamian Myth of Creation It can't exactly wipe anything out of existence (like the planet which is protected by the counter force Gaia and Araya in nasuverse) but can destroy creation (it comes from the creation myth after all) and Enkidu has the exact perfect counter to it.

[@barneypurple3435]

I think the design of Gilgamesh's armour here in Fate Samurai Remnant is a little bit different for it to looks like more Samurai theme.

[@GoldenDragon007]

Fun Fact: Arjuna shares his JP voice actor, Nobunaga Shimazaki, with a couple of other big-name characters in the Fate franchise. Those being, the male protagonist of the Fate mobile game, Fujimaru Ritsuka, as well as the Avenger class servant Edmond Dantes, aka, BRITISH KOMAEDA!

[@MPBoosterAxel]

Iori: Why would he say his True Name so casually? Well Iori (and Nico), Li Shuwen’s NP “No Second Strike” is to be taken INCREDIBLY AND SERIOUSLY LITERALLY! If you are hit with it, you either die immediately or will die soon enough simply because of the NP’s power. In other words, Li Shuwen will NEVER have to use his NP on someone twice.

[@richiegonzalez5679]

Not to mention he was born 200 years later, so they wouldnt know who he was anyway.

[@pablothecoffeelover2551]

So this is the case of Here my true name so Good luck not dying

[@kenkaneki3873]

No it's because the name is irrelevant since he's from the future. Nobody in this time would know him because he wasn't even born yet.

[@MPBoosterAxel]

​@@kenkaneki3873 Just because Iori wouldn't know it doesn't mean Li would behave any differently as a Servant. Names have power after all, especially True Names Besides, the other Servants COULD know of Li and his NP, so I'd believe him saying his True Name at all is pretty ballsy (and well deserved, mind you)

[@richiegonzalez5679]

​@@MPBoosterAxelThe only one who probably does would be Musashi, considering her unique circumstances.

[@Mariner797]

The reason why Li Shuwen is open about his True Name is because he died in 1934. He is basically at least two centuries from the future, so no one in the current time period would even know who the hell he is. So yes, it is entirely possible for you to get a servant who exists from the future, though it is extremely rare to the point that it is an actual plot point for a different Fate story.

[@BlackfangDragon]

Fun fact despite the fact he mostly uses it to toss weapons at his enemies, Gilgamesh has all sorts of advance technology inside the Gate of Babylon that he normally doesn’t use. He has everything from spaceships, Gatling guns, computers, submarines, etc. All of these being things that were built during what is known as the Age of Gods when Gods were the dominant species of earth(why humans are now dominant species is an entirely different story in its own right).

[@HanaAmeNoJutsu]

Fun fact: jessie and james from pokemon are named musashi and kojiro in japanese, referencing the historical figures.

[@AliceIzuragi6291]

scariest part of gilgamesh is that each weapon he shoots is a separate noble phantasm from his treasury. also believe it or not but he has a futuristic golden jet he can summon

[@MozillaVulpix]

fun fact: Arjuna does get an alternate "Student Council President" costume that has glasses in the mobile game. Well, not specifically 'him', but an alternate version of him that's a Berserker and a god, but...let's not get into that.

[@flamesoul3778]

...and also a cat boy

[@Viledove]

​@@flamesoul3778Let's not get into that, either.

[@Monalisa-ep6jh]

Arjuna Alter is hotter than regular Arjuna

[@troublemaker001]

Random Fate Trivia #15 So in the last episode, they did touch upon the concept of "protecting Mystics". Even though it can be seen as just letting the normal people stay ignorant and oblivious to the supernatural, it's actually much bigger than what the game is trying to tell the players. I figure the reason they aren't going as hard to explain in detail is due to the time period and location, as we can somewhat see Japan has had not many brushes with the west. All in all, Mystics (equivalently called Mysteries) are basically the supernatural. The longer a thing, person or concept goes on, their mystery accumulate over time, which means its harder to explain away and can be abused for Magecraft purposes. Servants are a kind of Mystic, as they should be, as they are a representation of their real self who has already created a legend that is passed down. This circles back to knowing Servant identities and Noble Phantasms. The more people know about a certain mythological figure that ends up being proven true, the less powerful they have as their mysticism can be explained with human knowledge, the same goes for Magecraft. So if people knew about Takeru's Noble Phantasm and it ends up going public, they would actually become weaker since their Noble Phantasm can easily be explained and lose its sense of mystery, ditto for identity. Not physically weaker but weaker in the sense that they become more predictable and their Noble Phantasm loses its overall power since it relies on mystery (as Noble Phantasms are representations of that person).

[@24hr-Gaming]

Gilgamesh is one of the strongest servants period. Any Holy Grail War he appears in he is guaranteed to be a menace. Though he's also very arrogant and likes to sandbag. He actually has a second even stronger Noble Phantasm that he doesn't bother using in this game.

[@Ldash0]

Gilgamesh has an ANTI-WORLD Noble Phantasm, that he didn't use in this game. That should explain how powerful he is.

[@TannerOfTheNorth]

Thankfully, there's measures in place to prevent it from actually destroying the world. If you were on another planet, however....

[@anotherjason]

Ah, so you witness to the true might... Of THE KING, GILGAMESH. If you ask anyone who knows fate what their top 10 most OP Anime characters are, Gilgamesh is going to be in the top 5

[@deathcon6261]

Funny enough actual Fates fans don't rank Fate characters that high usually.

[@fafaaf61]

I mean...not really? While Gilgamesh is indeed ridiculously powerful even in Fate there are things that should be more powerful than him (the Ultimate Ones, full powered Arcueid, the True gods, the Outer gods, etc.) so he's not even really among the top 10 OP characters in Fate.

[@blurb9319]

@@fafaaf61 People usually consider CCC Gil and statements of (BABYLONIA MAIN VILLAIN) containing a fourth dimensional space within them to put his maximum destructive potential at absurdly high ranges. His future sight is also stupidly busted if he ever decides to use it.

[@pablothecoffeelover2551]

@@fafaaf61 Like what version Archer or caster?

[@SeiyaTempest]

He's up there with my favourite genderless slime for sure.

[@GabrielLopes-jj8rx]

In case you are wondering how nerfed Boss was: He never used his most op Noble Phantasm, Enuma Elish. Why? Because its so powerful, its one of the few that qualify as anti-world, because it literally breaks down the fabrics of reality. Yeah, thats how nerfed he was. Thats not to say the was going easy, like Saber said, Gates of Babylon isnt shooting just weapons, its shooting Noble Phantasms and Gil, as the protoype to all heroes, supposedly has the prototype of every single Noble Phantasm weapon there is, in fact, of almost everything there is (he even has a magical jet in there ). That armor IS how he normally looks (shirtless is another look he goes by too), but they redesigned it a little, changing the patterns and design of his waist cloth, and giving the armor some more padding here and there, probably to fit the environment and give him a more "samurai warlord" look, which works extremely well. Also, that clay tablet has a very interesting meaning behind it: In Fate lore, Gilgamesh was a demigod, meant to bridge the world of the humans and gods, but being who he is, he never felt like it. To try and push him back into his role, the gods created Enkidu, an autonomous being made out of clay, to force Gil back into serving the gods. Enkidu however, never had a soul, they couldnt give them one, and so, as they traveled the world, they took a liking to it, eventually molding themselves after a human that became special to them. Enkidu and Gil would go on to become best friends Long story short, that lump of clay can be interpreted as a symbol, a token of friendship, as it represents the one being Gilgamesh calls a friend.

[@emperior5710]

So the game doesn’t really explain the Gate of Babylon and how broken it is that well, so I will do my best to. Gilgamesh has a legend where he travels and collects all the world’s treasures and stores them in his Treasury, which is the gate of Babylon. What this means is that Literately every treasure is within his possession, including weapons. Now here’s where it gets nuts. This includes the “Prototypes”(meaning better versions) of all weapons that will exist, including almost every physical non-divine noble phantasm, and absurdities like ancient Babylonian Guns, and the ancient Babylonian Nukes.

[@rexaliv8798]

Nico: wait, do you use weapons? Gilgamesh: yes, ALL OF THE WEAPONS! HAHAHAHAHAH!

[@rexaliv8798]

Just to mention that Gilgamesh has every prototype of every legendary weapon and item in his Gate of Babylon. I'm not sure but the sword he pulls out to attack you looks like Excalibur or its prototype.

[@KeeperOfUntoldDreams]

I have yet to watch Bleach, so all I can think of when I see Archer/Arjuna is Taion from XC3, especially when he does that "adjusting glasses" gesture.

[@victordesena9763]

So here is a fun tidbit of Li Shuwen, he is actually a Servant from the future as the historical Li Shuwen wouldn't be born for a century or two at this point. An interesting detail, highlighting the fact that Servants as spirits exist outside of space and time, allowing them to be summoned throughout multiple eras.

[@QuizMasterEntertainment]

Seeing how Gilgamesh is that strong puts how little he cared in the waxing moon ritual on a different perspective. He seriously could have wiped the floor with every participant of the ritual, but he gave no damns.

[@sarafontanini7051]

so something i forgot to do was tell you the coolest thing about cu chulain. in his final battle the dude was mortally wounded and to keep fighting he had tied himself to a tree with his own intenstines, slashing at any enemy who got close. when he finally died an enemy soldier approached him, and his arm fell in a way to kill the soldier.

[@richiegonzalez5679]

*Sees Gilgamesh on the thumbmail* Oh, HE ABOUT TO LEARN TODAY.

[@Viledove]

... mega, MEGA props for whoever edited the thumbnail for this episode, because dayamn, Gilgamesh looking GOOD there! Or NOT good, if you will. "He's good alignment--" He's Gil. He's Gil-aligned.

[@TannerOfTheNorth]

16:08 So this here is often seen as a Joke Ending, or even a Bad Ending depending on your view. Your game gets cut short, be it from a mistake or simply going down the wrong path for a laugh. In the original Stay Night visual novel, there was 40 (!!!) bad endings. They range from like this where it's pretty funny and silly, to being some of the most gnarly shit I've read. And to get the games true ending, you actually have to get them all. It's wild. I love bad endings. If you like this stuff, Stay Night will be lots of fun for you. (and yes, there's guides to help you easily get all the endings you missed lmao)

[@jarmsfirstclaw]

If you were listening to what Saber said during the fight with Gilgamesh, she's saying that the stuff he throws at you are all Noble Phantasms. Basically, GIlgamesh owns almost every single servants weapons and throws them at you. Like Cu's spear, Sabers sword, Assassins daggers etc. That's what his Gate of Babylon is all about.

[@dinobotman4167]

So the thing with Li Shuwen and him just revelling his true name is one he just did not care and two this is something i know you were wondering about earlier in the LP is because he is future man, so it does not matter if he just tells people his True Name because no matter what no one will know or be able find out who he is because he has not been born yet, also just to answer the next obvious question of how far in future they can taking from and if there is a cutoff for actual history there is, it's Neil Armstrong yes the astronaut that guy.

[@infinitykiyen6270]

Nico fun fact why Gilgamesh said everything is his treasure... This is pretty much a blessing he have due to being the first hero. Anything owned by humanity are all in his treasury. He can summon anything mankind own even nuke. Yes he can infinitely summon nukes. In fact in other universe he just time travel and even nuke the entire world because its his power. Better yet he can just summon a fking time machine FROM the future if humanity made it lol He's so fking rich! More like anything humanity own is his!

[@Blacktwinswords]

Li Shuwen's life was from 1864-1935. His major contribution to history, notable 20th Century Chinese history, is that his students became bodyguards to both Mao Tse-Tung & Chiang Kai-shek.

[@kronkprime]

So fun fact the armor Gilgamesh is wearing as a ruler isn't what he normally this is what he wears as a ruler in his normal class he has armor thats more gaudy.

[@ResPSO]

Boss is in fact one of the strongest servants in all of fate. The way they portray him in this game, he's not just holding back, he's straight up playing with you. I'm not sure how much weaker he is as a rogue, but if boss got serious it's very likely that he could destroy all of Edo, everyone in it, and the entire ritual. Seeing boss go all out is always a treat if you ever get into some other fate work that has him in it.

[@dominikfriesl1471]

So, about Gilgamesh. He's humanity's first hero, with the Epic of Gilgamesh being the oldest recorded work of fiction. It is said he collected every treasure in the world. Fate lore uses this to explain his strenght, As the original owner of "everything", he's able to summon his treasures years after his death, with many of the weapons having become noble phantasms. As long as you are a heroic spirit of some renown, you can't defeat him, as he is likely to have a weapon that targets your weakness somewhere. Also, his normal class is Archer, and he fights the same way he does here: by shooting swords like homing missiles. It's a joke in the Fate community that most Archers will use literally anything except bows and arrows. BTW his boss theme is a remix from his Fate/Extra subseries theme, where he also makes an appearance. Oh, and to show just how much he's been holding back, the ammount of projectiles he usually uses is much higher, he's in a class he's not used to, and he doesn't even use his real noble phantasm here. To give you an idea how strong that one is, I'll just say it's class is anti-world.

[@DeadnanPassdead]

Oh yeah. Mr. “I AM THE RULES!”

[@Emperorwolf999]

the logic behind servant summoning is they usually cant be summoned when they were alive, mostly after they died the thing is, the throne doesn't differentiate not existing because you died with not existing because you weren't born yet!

[@senakumara8203]

Thanks to li shuwen, we can now see a very interesting situation in regards to the war and throne of heroes system. The system does not distinguish past or future, it simply records any hero that existed in the world. Li shuwen was born in 1862 while edo period ended in 1868, it is for this reason that he just gave his name away, cause no one would know his name. The only reason we don't see servants from the future in most war is that the master needed a catalyst that correspond to a hero, like the comb if you want ototachibana. How the hell would one summon a future hero if you don't know what correspond to them

[@boomboxzer0914]

I don't know if it's been mentioned before but Tamamo Aria is one of the Tamamo 9. It's an existing group in the Fate universe made up of the 9 tails that Tamamo-No-Mae discarded in an effort to prevent herself from fully incarnating as the Japanese Goddess Amaterasu. She did so to avoid becoming an Evil of Humanity (Beast Class Servant) and each tail has a distinct personality. We have encountered 3 so far including the main body and 1st Tail Tamamo-No-Mae, 2nd Tail Tamamo Cat, and Tamamo Aria in this game. There is also Tamamo Vitch but we haven't met the true one yet as she only appeared as her counterpart Tamamo Vitch Koyanskaya in FGO. She considers herself and Vitch to be similar and so has based her appearance and mannerisms on her though they are in fact separate people. Fun fact this all started as a dumb joke as well. Fate is both well written and incredibly stupid. I love it.

[@barneypurple3435]

Arjuna gotta have an alternative costume in the future for this game because we know that he has Kimono costume and Gilgamesh manage tobwear his.

[@RealmRabbit]

Gilgamesh is always graphically intense... When I play Fate/Grand Order he's also making the game chug there too, my phone can't handle his power...

[@aetherdraw]

Getting Gil to use Enkidu on you is worthy of praise. He wouldn't dare use the weapon symbolizing his best friend against mere fodder.

[@mariefmsr]

Somebody please let Nico know of Arjuna with THAT Spirit Dress from FGO

[@roninwarriorsfan]

Who?

[@bmb7918]

As I understand it, the power level of a given Servant/Hero seems to scale relative to how ancient they are and how recognisable they are in general. So Gilgamesh is I believe the most powerful conceivable Hero because he's the oldest known legendary figure (there are older ones, like Atrahasis or Ziusudra, but as far as I know their legends aren't particularly well known, whereas the Epic of Gilgamesh is a pretty globally known "ancient story"). This on top of the feats attributed to Gilgamesh in his legends, including flipping off gods for one reason or another This scaling I believe modifies the abilities that the Heroes have attributed to them - like for example how Cu Chulainn's Gae Bulg is supposedly guaranteed to kill anyone it's thrown at in morbid fashion, or how Arjuna can theoretically summon the Brahmastra to literally destroy the entire universe - so they aren't horrifically unbalanced.

[@yakuni_tatanai4515]

Yes Nico the boss is considered one if not the strongest servant. One of the only ways to defeat boss is if he doesn't take you seriously and if you have something that is strong enough to defeat him. So yes it is quite strong ps: what he throws at you is not just spears but swords, magic wands, anything he has. About the boss saying that he has a lot of grails from Holy Grail Wars there a scene in FOG where the boss gives someone a glass of wine but he has to reject it because they are underage so the boss drinks the wine and throws the glass to one of his portals. The cup was a grail, boss must have so many that he uses them as cups

[@TallDarknGruesome]

22:00 Nico gets to meet Gilgamesh, King above all kings, he who saw the deep, holder of the secret of death and immortal hero who is canonicaly 2/3rds god. (Gilgamesh is older than math, dont ask)

[@d3sp41r_9]

So the reason that Boss is considered the strongest servant in Fate is due to the fact he has EVERY SINGLE NOBLE PHANTASM WEAPON. He doesn’t even bother using them, he just shoots them at you with Gate of Babylon because he doesn’t want to ruin his outfit lol

[@DragonSword35d]

The Epic of Gilgamesh is one of, if not *the* oldest recorded tale in human history. And in Fate, Age equals *POWER* in a big way. He is the King of Heroes for a reason. The First Hero.

[@nicrosmashi1960]

One of the core rule when it comes to magic in the fate universe is that the older something is the more powerful it become and because Gilgamesh is the first recorded hero he is one of the strongest heroic spirit.

[@Shinekage]

Gilgamesh is indeed ridiculously strong. He has a tool for every conceivable situation or heroic weakness, clairvoyance and even space ship to name few tools. That's not even his best armor he is wearing! Because of Ego he usually just overwhelms enemies with NP spam out of the "gate", he using Chains of heavens is already super big sign of respect. Gil here is at his nicest too.

[@itsralphpl5835]

Nico needs to watch the Fate Strange/Fake stand alone episode to truly grasp how ridiculous Gilgamesh when he's at his prime and not restricted by being a Rogue Servant. I need to hear his thoughts!

[@Yami-no-Raiden]

So at this specific point in the game, you are able to farm the Phantom Spiders and Mechanical Dolls in Kanda. I highly recommend doing this off-screen as there are PLENTY of Workshop materials that can only be gathered from these rarer enemies. Also, you ended up missing some other optional key items around Kanda. (I'm not sure if they can still be found after fighting Li Shuwen).

[@agravain9006]

25:00 Yes he's the most powerful Heroic Spirit and there's only one other he considers his equal. That being said, there are others than can put him on edge and potentially beat him.

[@Sleepyduo38]

Nico, there is a skip previous read text function that helps so much for New Game Plus, it is also good to not skip unread/new content/story.

[@frostshard8825]

Since the game didn’t explain gate of Babylon very well here is a quick explanation of its true power: any physical item besides a few very rare things exist in the vault that includes every weapon noble phantasm. His preferred method of attacking is to shot noble phantasm out of the gate like a gun. He is quite literally does the equivalent of throwing multiple nukes like they are coins because he is simply too rich

[@michi6486]

This goes somewhat deep into fate lore, but heroic spirits are being s that are recognized by "alaya" a primordial force of humankinds Will for their supernatural feats as humans and upon recognition are sent to the "throne of heroes" which exist outside time and space. Usually to summon a heroic spirit you need a catalyst, something that binds you and that heroic spirit, it can be an artifact, that used to be in that spirits possession or something that symbolizes that spirit, therefore it is not impossible (for example by being in possession of something that down the line becomes a Heroic Spirits possesion) but highly unlikely to summon a spirit from the future, though this game forgoes that normal summoning mechanic completely to begin with.

[@icetweiz]

Fun fact: Jet Li actually practices Bajiquan, the fighting style used by Li Shuwen

[@TylerThatSometimesComments]

All heads must bow down before the supreme king of all....or die horribly.

[@BlaxeFrost-X]

Second Absolute Rule of the Nasuverse All endings are a True Ending... because of parallel universes stuff. This is known as "The Second Magic"

[@knightoftachyon261]

Here is a full understand of how strong he actual is, as if he goes all out the realm you are standing on would be gone and only (from my knowledge) 5 heroic spirits can defeat him, and they are considered Gods in there own class.

[@MrInuhanyou123]

There are a lot more servants who defeat him than that

[@HappyPotat]

The thing that makes Gilgamesh so overwhelmingly powerful is that he is said to possess every treasure in the world (even his comment about having several holy grails isn't a lie in that regard). What this means is, every weapon he's throwing at you casually is supposed to be a noble phantasm on their own and that every heroic spirit's legendary weapons - or the weapons they were originally based on - reside in his treasury as well. THAT'S how strong he's supposed to be.

[@peterwinter1962]

So. Fun little fact about Gilgamesh's 'Gate of Babylon' Noble Phantasm. As it explains, It summons a key that opens the gates to the treasure vaults of the legendary city itself, Gilgamesh's city of Babylon. if you're familiar with the epic of Gilgamesh, you'll probably remember that the story claims he had acquired 'every treasure in the world'. Fate translates this has him basically having ALL of the world's treasures. Including prototype Noble Phantasms that would become the NPs fo other Heroic Sprits. Yes, Gilgamesh's go-to strategy is to hit you with EVERY NOBLE PHANTASM IN EXISTANCE. Granted these are less powerful than true Noble Phantasms, but here's the thing: it's still a Noble Phantasm. Doesn't matter how weak it is in comparison, it will nuke a Servant into oblivion if they aren't careful. Especially if Gilgamesh uses the right Noble Phantasm against the right Servant.

[@kazumiryuuken1814]

Gilgamesh is the King of heroes, as his title says. Among heroic spirits he is the strongest, he is not invulnerable, but at his peak and going all out he just has an answer to almost anything a servant can throw at him. There are other being in the nasuverse that go above heroic spirits, but those cannot be summoned as servants in normal conditions. So he is the strongest summonable servant you could get. To grasp what insanity Gate of Babilon is. During the fight Saber said that each of those weapons are noble phantasms. That is Gilgames's power, he has every weapon from every legend ever at noble phantasm lever and he casually throws them at the opponents. They would do more if wielded properly, but he doesn't bother using them that way since they don't mean much to him beyond just being worthy of his collection.

[@SeiyaTempest]

Gilgamesh is just too demon powerful, he's like Sephiroth on Kaio-ken steroids.

[@aftertone3146]

Gilgamesh was holding back big time in this

[@vampirehunter9047]

Would it surprise you that Gilgamesh’s original class was Archer of all things, you’d think with all those spears he’d be a Lancer but no he has EVERY, and I do mean EVERY weapon at his disposal as well as having THREE NOBLE PHANTASOMS, when this man says he’s the strongest he ain’t lying

[@ZenoKnightShade]

Bow down to the ruler of Rulers, the king of heroes, Fates favourite son; Gilgamesh!

[@DekuKurohi]

The King of Heroes, Gilgamesh. As the man who is recorded to gather all the treasures in the world, that there is nothing he doesn't own, Nasuverse took it to its logical extreme. As a Servant, Gilgamesh can summon all of these treasures out of a pocket dimension as Noble Phantasms (You know, Servant's super moves essentially?). You see, as the first king and the one who collected all the treasures in the world that would later became the prototype for weapons and items of literally every other legends of man (From Cu's Gale Bolg, Fergus's Caladbolg, Roland's Durandal, etc.), he basically has limitless Noble Phantasms to use, which each item likely being effective against another Servant. Also as a rule of thumb, the older object hold greater power, therefore making Gilgamesh's version of another hero's Noble Phantasm even stronger. This makes him so extremely powerful and versatile that he can just launch them out of his pocket dimension as insanely deadly projectile instead of using them more sparingly. It's also his only weakness. He'll fuck around and usually find out by using them so carelessly, not because he can run out, but because he doesn't really know how to use all of these Noble Phantasms as effectively as the more well-known users. His actual bigger weakness is his ego though, as he still doesn't use his treasuries to its fullest capability due to thinking his opponent is beneath that, leaving him more vulnerable than he should be. In this game it is actually quite lowered, if you can believe, which makes him much more dangerous as an opponent, but here he's also nicer, so he's just fucking around and holding back (Partially because of a weaker Saint Graph), and Iori and Saber are still scared shitless.

[@Emperorwolf999]

IORI: f*ck yeah i get to be a samurai and not a ronin! SABER: bro wtf

[@Armoraxis]

To answer the question of what Boss's weapon is, I guess you could say it's "Unlimited Blades" it's a bit of a working title...

[@Xenigma5050]

Hmm.... with my limited knowledge on history and mythology. Could the "Mysterious Stone Tablet" you get from Gilgamesh be the Rosetta Stone perhaps? If I recall correctly it has some connection to Babylonia.

[@richiegonzalez5679]

Gilgamesh having the Rosetta Stone in his vault is not outside the realm of possibility. If anything, he probably forgot it was there until that moment.

[@mads_in_zero]

Nico, look out! It's Lil Nas X at the Met Gala!

[@joshuab8519]

YES FEAR THE KING OF URK! FOR HE IS THE SUPREME DOUCHE BAG OF FATE! AND HIS NAME IS GILGAMESH!

[@silvershade313]

So I want to describe how much Gil was limited in this fight of his, or at least what he didn’t do, first off, he has multiple noble phantasms, he only used gate of Babylon, second the most obvious, the fact that he’s a rouge servant, so he naturally has much less access to magic than he would as a full servant, and finally, he didn’t pull out the big guns from his gates that aren’t just noble phantasms, you essentially fought base form goku, maybe a few levels below since super but you get the idea

[@EmiyaYukidoh]

Gilgamesh has always held the reputation of strongest servant, though as the series has gone on, other extremely powerful servants have appeared. Thing is, one of his special weapons is strong against divinity, the more divine the target the better. And of course, most of the strongest servants just happen to be demigods like him, so...yeah.

[@DestaniePereira-ki1fo]

Yeah. Gilgamesh is thy most O.P character of all of Fate. If you have this guy and be smart enough to stay alive you can basically no diff the Holly Grail Wars. He has like this speacil interdimentional weapons vault. His stronger weapon, i think, is this thing i only saw the Kishin from Soul Eater uses. Thank god he doesn't pop up often...I hope.

[@kenw4574]

There should still be some caviar added next to that strongest servant title, he’s the strongest *summonable* servant that you can summon *normally* , if we also added grand servants, lostbelts Kings, or the Beast Class into the equations, then it’s gonna be more muddier.

[@MrInuhanyou123]

​@@kenw4574and then weird cases like Arcueid who just shows up when she wants

[@Ked676]

How much was Gilgamesh holding back? I forget the exact number but Rulers have around 30 Command spells that work with any Servant, he could have had Saber unalive themselves 30 times over. Weird the game doesn’t mention this in the bio but Gate of Babylon lets Gil use any Noble Phantasm that is a physical object, he could have stab Iori in the face with Excalibur and nailed it in with Mjolnir. And on top of that he has another more powerful Noble Phantasm that I won’t spoil but just know that was on the table. So ya Iori and Saber are lucky Boss just felt like playing.

[@tienmanhnguyen3422]

Correction: Gil only has all the prototypes that were made from human hands, for Divine Construct, he is in possession of some, not all, Excalibur and Mjolnir are one of those DCs that he doesn't own.

[@Ked676]

Was aware of the prototype part was not aware he didn't have everything. Of all the legendary weapons I could have said I chose 2 he didn't have lol.

[@littlekuribohimposte]

Gilgameshis one of the strongest Servant in Fate, you are correct Nico. You can count on your fingers the people he resects. Counting Iori and Saber, I believe the total is six. And he'd only ever fight seriously against a hero of similar measure.Enkidu, or an Indian Servant like Arjuna could get his real power.