All men PAY: the more she likes you, the bigger the discount

One way or another, men pay to access the opportunity for sex with women. And it is often the case that the more transactional the relationship becomes, the less men actually pay. This is because the value of the time, energy, money, and opportunity spent in less transactional relationships is generally greater than the value of the money spent in more transactional relationships. However, the higher a given woman's attraction, the greater the discount she will generally offer to access the sexual opportunity. The more a man pays, the less the woman likes him.
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One way or another, men pay to access the opportunity for sex with women. And it is often the case that the more transactional the relationship becomes, the less men actually pay. This is because the value of the time, energy, money, and opportunity spent in less transactional relationships is generally greater than the value of the money spent in more transactional relationships. However, the higher a given woman's attraction, the greater the discount she will generally offer to access the sexual opportunity. The more a man pays, the less the woman likes him. Jack Reacher: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3KkZ5uuhsyHoLM Social Media Facebook: facebook.com/profile.php?id=100090053889622 LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/orion-taraban-070b45168/ Instagram: instagram.com/psyc.hacks Twitter: twitter.com/oriontaraban Website: oriontarabanpsyd.com Orion's Theme: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaO7c62HZ613e7M Thinking of going to grad school? Check out STELLAR, my top-rated GRE self-study program based on the world's only empirically-validated test prep system. Use the code "PSYCH" for 10% off all membership plans: stellargre.com. GRE Bites: www.youtube.com/@grebites4993 Become a Psychonaut and join PsycHack's member community: kzbin.info/door/SduXBjCHkLoo_y9ss2xzXwjoin Book a paid consultation: oriontarabanpsyd.com/consultations Sponsor an episode: oriontarabanpsyd.com/sponsor-an-episode Sound mixing/editing by: valntinomusic.com Presented by Orion Taraban, Psy.D. PsycHacks provides viewers with a brief, thought-provoking video several days a week on a variety of psychological topics, inspired by his clinical practice. The intention is for the core idea contained within each video to inspire viewers to see something about themselves or their world in a slightly different light. The ultimate mission of the channel is to reduce the amount of unnecessary suffering in the world. #psychology #relationship #women

[@balladbuster5109]

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[@AfriqueNY]

Please keep the content coming. You are helping both genders

[@michaelgarrow3239]

So,,, basically Richard Gere getting day rates in pretty woman?

[@fallon7616]

Been with my Man for years and I love having sex with him. By the way he is broke

[@Yomel123]

Just get prostitutes omfg. Males are crazy lol

[@themick6586]

Been married 43 years to a woman that , in her words, obsesses over me, she is low maintenance, loyal, doesn't care about material things, no make-up queen, she knows who she is , and what she wants, and takes accountability, it has been a smooth ride, low drama. Totally different than my first wife.

[@leviathon2]

I'm looking for one of those..........

[@joaquin67]

Were there any signs early on that you decided she was a keeper?

[@mrsherwood2599]

BASTARD 😅

[@yourgooglemeister6745]

You are married to a dude, better check his past

[@gregorylatta8159]

Had one for 20 years. She passed away in2020 .😢

[@shiloh1994]

There’s a joke attributed to Winston Churchill in which he allegedly asked a young socialite: Churchill: Madam, would you sleep with me for 5 million pounds? Socialite: My goodness … well, I suppose. Churchill: Would you sleep with me for 5 pounds? Socialite: What type of woman do you think I am? Churchill: We’ve already established that. Now we are haggling about the price

[@gregneilson939]

😂 So true

[@brianlong2334]

A guy in high school asked the 21/ 22 year old fit hot teacher if someone paid her 1 million dollars. "Would she let someone shit on her chest...." haha! No joke! Without hesitation she said yes before she realised how much trouble she would get in, half the boys laughed the other's proceeded to talk about it along the lines of hell yeah so would I, and other's I'd do it for 100k.... lol!

[@teosandev6116]

To be fair, 5 million pounds is enough to bridge the gap between all races, ages and genders. Probably all at least semi sentient species too. There was an experiment where they managed to teach monkeys to use currency...and a female monke dicovered prostitution shortly after.

[@dahliafiend]

@@brianlong2334 on a teacher's salary I'd let half the school do it, take an Uber to a car dealership and never come back.

[@BrianGivensYtube]

Rekt

[@rayrwyr]

"The more you pay the less you get" -- insane but true.

[@whiskeytango9769]

"Women treat men like men treat jobs" there's wisdom right there.

[@kiravampira1456]

And men treat women like how women treat clothes. "How does that look like and how would it make *me* look?" Your point?

[@indranilbanik3424]

@@kiravampira1456 I don't think men treat women like women treat clothes. Men are evolved to care for and protect their wife. Men are not that likely to show off their pretty wide in order to gain promotion at work. That just does not make much sense. It is mainly about actual technical competence. Do you really think that a guy sleeping with a girl is interested in how that would look to somebody else if he boasted about it afterwards? But women really are evolved to treat men like jobs, or in other words as work in order to obtain resources. The reason is once a woman is carrying a man's child, it is not as useful to look after the man as it is to look after the child. So the man comes last. This is why women and children got off the Titanic first. I will offer what I think of as wisdom to complement the comment from @whiskeytango9769. Women are carbon-based machines evolved over millions of years to extract the maximum possible resources from men consistent with the laws of physics by exploiting men's hopes, dreams, and insecurities. In short, women are evolved to be masters at emotional manipulation.

[@romancandlefight1144]

Do women spend their life trying to please their clothes so their clothes allow them to put them on?

[@ipodman1910]

@@indranilbanik3424monsters!

[@kiravampira1456]

@romancandlefight1144 *As if* nowadays even 5% of males are willing to do that (or even to pay for a date that *they* initiated, which can be even at an ice cream shop). The actual reason most of you aren't chosen is your unearned entitlement, whether you want to believe it or not.

[@Khan-rz8qi]

And fellas there’s no exception to this rule. The more she likes you, the easier things are going to be. Any woman who tells you any different is trying to trick you out your sleeves. Don’t be that guy paying 100 percent premium price, while another guy is digging her guts out for free.✌️💯💯

[@neoreign]

I would even go so far as to say, the more you act like a 'bad boy' aka trying to always get in her pants, seeing how far you can get away with things, being unavailable and playing push/pull which they LOVE the more she respects you.

[@josealexi5141]

Women who don't particularly like you will become obsessed with you if you reject them. They think _"How can he _*_NOT_*_ be into me?"_

[@marriagecausesdivorce7540]

I was that beta provider nice guy who paid a premium (i.e. marriage) in order to smash, and ended up losing my money, house and kid in divorce. I wish I was a Chad or Tyrone. And I wish I knew all this stuff 10+ years ago.

[@dearbrave4183]

​​​​​​​​@@marriagecausesdivorce7540Women don't divorce providers, they divorce men who pretend to be providers/hoarders A difference between a provider and a pretender is that a provider gives her money for personal expenses, and takes her on trips A pretender's only financial contribution in her life is half the bed she uses, the water , electricity and the plate of food she eats, less than $500 in exchange for her cooking, cleaning, laundry, seggs, nannying, etc worth thousands of dollars per month that she does for free. He drains and uses her for free until she can't take it and leaves him. But this makes him unhappy because the money he never gave her, and that she helped him make with all her background work, even though he kept saying that he is working for her and the children, he will now have to split and this breaks his heart, he feels like a master who finally has to not only let go of his slave but pay them too, despite him believing that slaves shouldn't be allowed to leave on top of being free. And because money is all he ever really cared about throughout their marriage and he never really worked for her but to enrich himself , this is really hard and it might require him to get another wife to make all this money all over again, but he can't take the risk, since he knows he'll have to share it sooner or later. Not to mention that he suddenly wants to spend time with his kids now that she's divorcing, even though he couldn't take care of them by himself to save his life. If he knows their shoe sizes it's a miracle. But he hopes he'll get the custody of those kids he can't raise, so he can give them over to the girlfriend or new wife to do his job, depriving his children of both parents. Because it's never about the wife or the kids , it's about himself. Wife and kids are his collection that he is fighting to keep, but also his wallet he's trying to protect. If they stay he won't have to spend not human beings whose wellbeing he cares about and therefore shows care to , whose needs matter to him. So he calls the system corrupt instead of sensible for giving custody to the mother, because despite her imperfections she's been the presence and constancy in their children's lives

[@Khan-rz8qi]

@@dearbrave4183 The amount of mental gymnastics you just now went through to justify his wife’s actions is astonishing. Wow!! Fellas take notes. 📝

[@benpeterson7530]

My take away is that a guy should go after women that appear attracted to him. Don't try to convince the ones that don't appear to be attracted to you to like you. Everything is so much easier when it is obvious a woman is attracted to you. Even if it isn't a romantic interest. Working with women that find you attractive is much easier for example. Having a conversation is much easier. I think "chemistry" is mostly just the woman being attracted to the guy. That is why it feels like the conversation went so well, it's why he was so funny...

[@Sportsproet]

Looks do matter a LOT. But i am amazed how some people have such a great personality that makes them attractive. For example i find jack black not good looking if im honest but very attractive

[@Krogtheclown]

​@@Sportsproetthat's because he's in movies and he has the status of success you cannot separate yourself from that. How many Jack Black's have you dated that weren't movie stars?

[@Krogtheclown]

I find everything you said here very correct! And words to live by

[@BasedRedemption]

@@Sportsproet Exactly! Looks really do matter, but money, humor, and personality are the great equalizers! I used to be an ugly duckling until I hit my second year of high school and lost all the fat I had. Almost 100 pounds down to 210, I looked great and it helped that I was 6’1”, light eyes, dark hair, and a huge frame, so it was interesting to have woman pay attention to me for once. Once I got my full beard, it was over and most women just swoon over me now, the difference has been absolute night and day ever since. It’s not the end-all-be-all though, being good looking just gives you a handicap.

[@raylevi5343]

​@@BasedRedemption tbf, you probably just became attractive in your "adult" body.

[@abiodun6897]

One man's 2 years relationship is another man's one night stand

[@shannonsollman3509]

It's about being really attracted to someone/chemistry. People should use their instincts more often.

[@foxyfocus3170]

I am woman and my experience confirms the "disscount" idea. When I met my partner, we didnt go to dates, movies, hotels etc. We were eating bread and cheese and were sleeping on the floor. I was so in love. The only thing I wanted was to be with him no matter what. But also I am from Europe, the expectations of some american women are beyond me. And he was also my first partner. That propably plays a huge role for women and how much they expect.

[@GUITARTIME2024]

The richer parts of Europe are becoming similar.

[@youtubesucks2755]

@@Ajsbdbxh not unicorn. First relationships are always like that. If you're not her first, you gotta pay the tax for all the past trauma.

[@georgedang449]

@@youtubesucks2755 No-hymen-no-ring

[@aprotasova]

I bet this comment was written by a man.

[@pz3j]

What year was that?

[@RP0415]

That scene from Jack Reacher is one of my favourite movie scenes ever. Most people think it’s just comedic writing but don’t realise how close to reality it is.

[@gregorylatta8159]

It is reality 😅

[@merrittpalmer4349]

What was the scene

[@commanderofkesariyaknights]

The best part is that woman gets an ending like how every woman deserves

[@ARZiehm]

@@merrittpalmer4349 Pretty sure he's referring to the one where he tells the girl "The cheapest girl tends to be the one you pay for" and she gets offended/doesn't get the joke

[@ArmyWolves]

Loved that scene too... it showed Reacher as a quick thinker and had quips locked and loaded... *Dudes looking for a fight* : Did you call my sister a whore? *Reacher* : I meant slut but she inferred 'hooker'. *Reacher* : Pay your bills first... because you wont be able to later. *Dudes looking for a fight* : You think? *Reacher* : All the time! You should try it [thinking] sometime.

I learned this by listening and observing my female friends when they are interested in a guy or some dude is trying to date them. You see that the least attracted they're, on more dates they will go without sex or kisses. However, if really attracted they barely have boundaries

[@marte1376]

Only a damaged person and a predator would want a woman without basic boundaries. Check yourself mate

[@Klaus80804]

@@marte1376 He only explained what he has observed! He never said he wants such a women.

[@marte1376]

@@Klaus80804 apparently in these comment section, "men" just want to have all the graces of beautiful women by free, because they believe that crap that if she likes you, she will give you everything by free. That may only happen with hot young men not broke fat dusties

[@Jumpingjackflash123]

To tell if a girl truly likes you just realize that they make it very easy to shag them. If they give you the “I’ve been too busy to text you BS” then they have low interest. It’s the lamest excuse there is. So lame it’s almost insulting to one’s intelligence. No one’s too busy to text back. Also another is compliance. Ask her to do something for you. The more compliance the more attraction

[@perrystuart8035]

@@Jumpingjackflash123 can confirm. as a literal deadbeat most my life i never had problems getting women while living in my moms basement. sad to watch some of my hard working friends had to go through just because they werent tall or whatever. oh well, life is shit then we die.

[@Nordic_Sky]

"Just because she's a 6 doesn't mean she's less demanding than a 9." Truer words were never spoken. I'm always amazed at how picky girls of medium attractiveness can be. And they wonder why they stay single.

[@yitzchakepstein2142]

The difference between men and women, is that woman will always dismiss a man for a better option, whilst a man will sacrifice anything for a woman who makes them feel loved, and it doesn't matter if there are better options.

[@TheirIAre]

❤ Absolutely

[@TravisScottLVD]

I agree with this entire lesson. I gained access to all of the sexual opportunities I could handle after turning 30. It makes sense that the opportunities came along after securing a good paying job, paying off debt, learning how to dress, beginning to travel, and could afford to take risks. My value increased greatly because my lifestyle was something women could see they wanted to be a part of, and so they bartered with sex to come along for the ride.

[@bigmaneastside]

But the thing is American women give sex to men who are not even established yet and are bums so that don’t even matter. That’s why it’s tough to choose American women or any women in this feminist culture. A lot of these ladies base their whole lives on using men thinking they are balling just like type of men they want that are playas and sex every woman they want

[@BasedRedemption]

I don't necessarily agree that money is the end-all-be-all, most women will even deal with bums if they hit the right notes and turn her on emotionally and mentally. Difference is that you PAY with time, energy, AND money versus just money, so it's more expensive for sure. Romanticism is made by the poor as Orion has mentioned, so makes sense. I just think that type of 'loyalty' garnered from attracting her emotionally/mentally is necessary to secure a woman than just satisfying her materliastic needs that she can get easily anywhere else. If you’re able to satisfy BOTH her emotional and materialistic needs, she’s going to be head over heels for sure though and ‘loyal’ as long as you keep consistent with your value.

[@Wong-Jack-Man]

@@BasedRedemptionthat’s why it’s called chad and Tyrone. Either well established status or bad boy with game.

[@rnt45t1]

dude, quit lying. You did not gain "access to all the sexual opportunities" when you turned 30. I'm almost 35 and the last time I got laid was when I was 28.

[@latt.qcd9221]

@@BasedRedemption What you said doesn't go against when he said, though. Women only charge men they don't like. Which is all the more reason why marriage is not about love.

[@mr.soundguy968]

You know what you can also pay? Attention. So watch out.

[@teok8855]

This is the primary reason for hoeflation. Instagram attention makes 6s into 8s and 8s into unattainable 10s which only go for top percent of men and/or men who have extremely good social skills (flirting and making her want him).

[@diogenesdacynic8656]

Ba dum tiss!

[@RLDrums7]

Oh yeah, your time can be sucked dry by their need for attention. Had one killing my time with texts last night.

[@TheKlink]

and Act Accordingly. ProHo

[@Agent.Wadsworth]

And time, energy. The time you spend chasing, the emotional energy spent pretending to give a crap about their b.s., is a low ROI. It's a zero sum game.

[@Regalman]

"the more she likes you, the bigger the discount" Realest thing I ever heard about women.

[@thechosenone7875]

The women who really want you will not have you spending a fortune on them. I will also add that finding a lady who isn’t consumed by social media helps a lot too. Next time you’re thinking about taking a woman you just met to the Japanese steakhouse; just remember that a man out there got laid with just Netflix, Little Caesar’s pizza, and a 2L soda.

[@storm2945]

Lmao that’s is so true.

[@marte1376]

Only broke and dusties think like that. All men pay, ALL. Shame on you, I'm glad there's feminism and women with 2 options: they are gold diggers or the feminist ones that have their life together and don't need ugly, fat and broke dudes.

[@53strat55]

Or in my case, a coco cola at my home, had a few;p

[@53strat55]

I never understood guys that did that, I mean. I'm not rich I always struggled financially but never with women. Even if I had money I would never go beyond a Coffee date on the 1st date. I know men that want to impress with money as well, they really ask for it lol, making themselves a target.

[@thechosenone7875]

@@53strat55 it’s foolish and makes her not respect you. A man blowing 200$ on a first date is equivalent to a woman allowing a man to have sex with her after a ten min conversation at a local dive bar. I personally wouldn’t take a woman seriously who lets me have sex with her after barely knowing each other.

[@PureYang0]

CGA has been making this same point for years. Glad to see professionals coming to the same conclusions

[@entervalhalla8484]

Actually this video sounded like it was made by CGA. Shutout to him.

[@zoraster3749]

“Protect your MEAT. Money, Energy, Attention and Time.” -CGA

[@IAmTheEggMan111]

CGA?

[@PureYang0]

@@IAmTheEggMan111 Coach Greg Adams

[@zoraster3749]

@@IAmTheEggMan111 Coach Greg Adams

[@AshAndCream]

The only price I pay is self improvement, and I was already paying that price daily. I'm fortunate.

[@yourfavoriteentertainment]

Men strive to become champions. Women chase champions. Women reward men who focus on themselves.

[@misterjay4347]

So are you doing well with women. It can take a while for self improvement to pay off with easy access

[@marte1376]

​@@yourfavoriteentertainmentalso kindness and GENEROSITY, why would you want a champion that is a psychopath? Men often don't see this little but a factor to get a good husband

[@ahgtrell]

Either you're what She likes. Or you're not. If not, Then Move on. You can find women that like you. Simple as that.

[@Mayhzon]

Not everyone can, especially when expectations have gone through the roof thanks to Social Engineering (committed by rulers for the sake of making procreation slowly disappear). In that case, you get a lot of bitter left out men and scorned women who only realize they got "played by the system" by the time they are too old for regrets. Ergo all the negativity you see here and in various other parts of the internet. It's a loud echo of many groups of people who got robbed of their youth and opportunities in a wide ranging manner of ways - Both genders affected.

[@sapper986]

@Mayhzon got a yout passport bro

[@ahgtrell]

@@Mayhzon Social Media has made birthrates soar the last 10 years... Most Children born today are based off Social Media interactions. I do agree that relationships are declining. But at the end of the day... "You" or Any Man. Can find a woman who likes you. The question is... Will she be the woman "You" or Men want.

[@Mayhzon]

@@ahgtrell No, Social Media has contributed to the decline further and is ironically isolating people. Look at the two of us typing away with each other on a friday night. Some odd 50 years ago, our grandparent generation was out and about just about now, getting to know new people. Yet we are here, having debates online, probably not even on the same continent. Social Media isolates. It gives us the illusion that we are surrounded by people, yet we distance ourselves from all the real connections if left unchecked.

[@Mayhzon]

@@sapper986 Mixing with someone from another ethnic background means to commit a crime against myself and her. Ending a family's lineage by creating something unpure is a terrible thing and precisely for that reason it is encouraged by all of post-modern media. It also diminishes national and cultural borders by helping dissolve them. A passport is no solution to me. It is surrender. That's how I see it. When have you seen last a White only, Asian only, Arab only or Black only couple in advertizing? They went instinct by the late 2000's. At least if you want to believe what's on TV or ad banners on websites.

[@darkrebel123]

My ex was shocked and angry when she found out that my standards for a relationship are higher than my standards for sex. I thought that was obviously the case for pretty much everyone.

[@linabuns]

i think that is normal for men

[@53strat55]

duh;p

[@yonez3238]

The criteria is also different

[@leftrom9738]

Pay for an escort (aka pay to leave): $200 to $300 Living a drama-free life: priceless

[@user-lt1jd1ye3v]

Go ahead and live a pointless existence then, because to use an escort or never date a woman are both meaningless existences

[@creditiscomplicated-sm3mh]

herpes simplex lifetime subscription

[@michaelangst6078]

that really doesn't technically cure loneliness even if you paid for the escort every night..

[@leftrom9738]

@@michaelangst6078 There is loneliness, and there is solitude. Non-sexual loneliness can be 100% alleviated via friends and pets, and once you get to enjoy the freedom and drama-free life that solitude offers, you don't go back; trust me.

[@remc0s]

@@creditiscomplicated-sm3mh You live in a country where they don't sell condoms?

[@MrEOM41]

I totally agree and another plus is she’ll buy you things too 😁 women who are very attracted to you will go in their purse 👜 … great breakdown

[@Khan-rz8qi]

Big facts, they don’t know nun about that. It’s that charm too, the way you make her mind move. You gotta be born with it. You gotta be HIM.💯

[@lansvance4870]

I am a woman. I once went out with a guy WAY above my league. He never wanted to go out again because I didn’t pay… I then realized I was with another chick 🐥

[@troigcyusa]

​@@lansvance4870 he knew his worth

[@allanluis3696]

@@lansvance4870 he was charging you because he was WAY above your league. You just couldnt figure out why he was charging you.

[@targetegrat]

Women look for two things. Muscles and money. Muscles will generally get you the biggest discount especially in the short run. Having money with no muscles will cost you in the long run. Having muscles and money will give you the greatest flexibility.

[@thereisnosanctuary6184]

And height

[@gauhargauhar5201]

Brain dude 😅you need brain

[@montanasky2253]

Height not muscles 😃

[@hectorcruz3337]

No. 1 rule of Economics; NOTHING IS FREE!

[@ricardodelacrvz1400]

I dont pay, Im single and keep my stash away from these sociopaths.

[@bkthedefbeatz]

Not forever.....sooner or later..... The thirst... Always wins

[@Mr.Ambrose_Dyer_Armitage_Esq.]

You're still paying through taxes. Planned Parenthood subsidies, welfare, low-income housing, the salaries of public servants like judges who arbitrate divorce, politicians' paychecks, etc. You're just not paying directly but, suffer no delusion, they're still making you pay.

[@SmolTerribleTornado]

​@@Mr.Ambrose_Dyer_Armitage_Esq. Taxation is theft 🐍

[@debunkinghistory214]

@@Mr.Ambrose_Dyer_Armitage_Esq. True; and you also have to factor in that married couples pay much less in taxes than single people assuming same income, due to doubling of standard deduction, child tax credits, dependents, etc. And I'm single so I take no joy in saying that

[@josealexi5141]

@@bkthedefbeatz great "Blade" reference

[@Oddragnar]

More and more I realize i don't want or need women

[@svenmorgenstern9506]

Nice to see someone confirming my observations, Doctor. It should also be noted that human interactions in general tend to be transactional in nature to begin with e.g. there is ALWAYS a 'quid pro quo' component to any interaction. That said, one of the most notable observations I found after losing a considerable amount of weight was...how differently I'm treated, and not just by women. Going into a business when you are morbidly obese is vastly different then when you go in merely overweight; how the other customers treat you, how the staff treat you, very different. What really amazes me is how litrle weight change can cause a noticeable change in social behavior. In my case, gaining as little as 15 lbs. will get the old "s*** talkin'" started again; get back to my new baseline weight of 180 and we're back to simpering politeness. Sad really, but that's how it works.

[@klauseba]

Also they way we dress is important. My uncle has a small company and if he met clients while being unshaved with normal clothes he would get spit on, but when he goes shaved in a shirt with a bmw x5 everyone kisses his ass.

[@EE12CSVT]

Congrats on your weight loss - I know how difficult it is. I hope you're doing well with it. I agree entirely that human interactions are transactional, but most people aren't aware of this. I lost nearly 40kg, or around 40% of my body weight in fat in 12 months a few years ago. I then regained 25% in muscle. What I found regarding other people is that on aggregate I was getting treated better by other men, except for the insecure ones. Most of the men I knew previously were sincere in their congratulations, but a few would make sarcastic digs that hid underlying bitterness. The most sincere reaction of approval was from other jacked men in the gym, and from other well-built men in the streets. It was a subtle nod that they give to one of their own, I guess. As far as women are concerned, I didn't do much with them before at all, because I keep myself away from them. There's one woman though who now positively glows when she sees me, and she's someone who knew me before. But the general reaction from women is that they see me as a piece of meat. Some want to have a free grope of my pecs and the rest of it. It also resulted in greater visibility, sadly. It brought out all the insects from under their stones who now attempt to bait me to become their newest orbiter. In terms of business, I"m not a businessman, I'm an academic of sorts and who deals with the public from time to time, and I'd be sometimes asked to 'keep an eye' on visiting university students when they stay over on conferences to make suer they don't break things. In other words, preventative security detail. In general, I found I get respected better by the public now compared to when I was very fat. Same with people in the rest of society. There's only one or two hardcore nutters who think they need to pick an unnecessary fight with me, though it never goes to blows.

[@borisnikolic246]

I mean, it's not sad, it's how things are. How can you expect from others to threat you nicely, when you are not doing that to yourself either, just in the physical aspect.

[@RealityCheck1]

Men using prostitutes pay, but married men pay higher. That's exactly what is being described here.

[@scottverge938]

Apparently she liked me a lot because she supported me for over a decade.

[@mwalsh7500]

If I could hit the like button say 50 times I would … as I have lived 65 years and all said in the video is true!! Brilliant explanation 🤩

[@Jooo923]

He's brilliant right

[@CharityDiary]

Selling their bodies and souls to the highest bidder. Women are such good people 🥰

[@AlphonseJames-FxWorth]

One of The best decision I've made in my life was finding this channel. The dynamics are pretty clear now.

[@ntl219]

Shout out to Coach Greg Adams! All men pay (through taxes, too) 😂😂😂

[@marriagecausesdivorce7540]

Its all Jermaines fault.

[@BoostedPastime]

Coach Greg Adams spits flame in the game!

[@josealexi5141]

Take this well-earned "like" for mentioning CGA

[@fatpatlives1998]

Alimony is a form of payment

[@marriagecausesdivorce7540]

W junior college. W 5 stroke special.

[@RecreationalUseOnly]

Sadly, this is so true. Don’t even invest in women who aren’t investing in you.

[@TheAndroidNextDoor]

The older I get, the more I seriously am starting to think I'm just alien software running on human hardware.

[@ironknee9513]

Best video yet. A lot of this stuff is intuitive and we know it's true but it's good to have a video where someone is explicitly saying it.

[@THX5000]

What is between their legs is not worth dealing with what is between their ears.

[@marriagecausesdivorce7540]

Try telling that to a horny guy in his 20's.

[@neoreign]

Bingo, nice boys lose, they 'ick' women. I listened to this amazing podcast where a woman was fully vulnerable and honest. She broke it down EXACTLY why she NEVER gave the 'nice' guy a chance. I honestly felt like it was god talking directly to me (as a recovering nice boy). Of all the explanation i've heard, her honesty and to be honest, bluntness finally sunk it in. Never be a nice boy, never. No one will appreciate it, no one! If you're going to be nice, be like that with the less fortunate (homeless, children, abandoned dogs, etc.)

[@zoso9391]

mind sharing the explanation? Or the link to it?

[@Khan-rz8qi]

Women can’t help it either. She’ll know he’s a good man but deep in her heart things won’t feel right. You gotta understand, even if the man in particular isn’t necessarily a good person, as long as he can make a woman feel, he’ll always have her heart. That’s what nice boys don’t understand. Those men can stimulate her brain in ways that you can’t, so you’re always going to lose. That’s just the way life goes, most men weren’t born to be alphas, a bitter pill most of y’all need to swallow.

[@profet1385]

Well? Do you remember anything from the podcast and care to share why she didnt give them a chance?

[@elschlagador9064]

Could you share the link of the podcast please?

[@SPACEDOUT19]

If she doesnt like you when you are kind, run away. Stop putting on a show for a girl who does not appreciate you for you. Dont let some girl ruin what you are. Im not gonna change for anyone honestly.

[@whiskeytango9769]

Men's standards are low when looking for casual sex...but very high when it comes to relationships.

[@OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOq]

Same goes for women.

[@rhuiden4086]

​@@OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOq nope

[@missalissa1103]

As a woman, I will say that this is very true. So, women often have different men for relationships and sex. If she really likes a men, he can make little effort and spend a little of money. And a men who likes her but it's not mutual has to give or pay a lot to be with her.

[@Vic_Chaos_]

@missalissa why dance around the issue? Women are whores, that's all your comment tells me.

[@GaryD9988]

Nah, I don’t pay for sex. Sad to see so many people with this loser mentality

[@baazinews1027]

As a woman, you should be ashamed

[@baazinews1027]

@@GaryD9988 Then why are you watching this video ?

[@GaryD9988]

@@baazinews1027 I’m watching this video because I can. I was curious to see what was going to be said in this video, sadly it’s nothing but a bunch of losers, along with the video creator who have a scarcity mindset

[@JamesJones-mg3ts]

There's a lot of truth with the VS between a lady you want to be with and a prostitute. Same thing is true about 'living' with a woman and just hiring a maid instead (the latter being much cheaper... as there's no living expenses, frills, etc). If you hold back your investments while 'vetting' women for a possible 'future' family, you can see if she 'really' likes you _or_ she's giving you penalty costs because she's not that into you. Always get the best deal you can negotiate and don't end up with a "money pit". As an addendum. If a lady is 'becoming' more expensive to you all of a sudden, it's probably time to cut your losses as she's either lost interest in you significantly _or_ she's showing her true nature that was perhaps concealed during the initial phases of your relationship. It doesn't matter why, just take the 'red flag' and move along as she isn't measuring up.

[@RANDOM_X243]

I got it. Thanks the best advise of all comentaries

[@valentineezegwu9668]

Very well said, I’ve also experienced this but didn’t realize what it was until I looked back in hindsight

[@BoostedPastime]

You either pay her upfront or you pay on the back end in the long run.

[@marriagecausesdivorce7540]

Chad and Tyrone don't have to pay anything. They are both living in my old house, with my ex-wife and my child. I paid the most and got the least. They paid the least and got the most.

[@jamescheaye927]

@@marriagecausesdivorce7540 While I empathize with your pain brother, I have to disagree with you. The C&Ts, the Pookie’s and Ray-Ray’s pay as well. They just get a discount and get in through the back door as opposed to waiting in line. Nothing in this life is free.

[@GaryD9988]

@@jamescheaye927Don’t pay with money, get a girl who wants sex as much as you do. Problem solved. But I don’t some moron is just going to comment that I “pay in one way or another” which is just cope for them

[@jamescheaye927]

@@GaryD9988 Sir, that isn’t a cope for morons. There are choices and trade-offs that we make everyday. Getting a girl who desires sex as much as you do is easier said than done. And even if one had enough social attributes (“game”) to pull this off, the best you’d get is a coupon and a “fast pass” to the front of the line. You’re still paying, if not with money, then with time, energy, and attention.

[@GaryD9988]

@@jamescheaye927 Like I said, I’m not paying for sex nor am I getting a “coupon to the front of the line.” Anyone who says I’m still paying clearly has never gotten sex for free in their life. Sex is free, I don’t know about everyone else but I ain’t paying

[@TheMakD86]

Orion, just want say thank you. You are revolutionising the game man. Absolute genius 👏🏾

[@aureumsilentium6518]

I agree with most of this. The only thing I would point out is that the category of the "bad boys"(including narcisists, machiavellanists and manipulators in disguise) never actually pay anything, at least not to those to whom they own, and not in the short term. The sexual discount that women can give becomes free access for them. The problem is though, that oftentimes the ones who'll pay later for those who have eaten without paying the dinner will be the next customers, that is, the next guys who will enter the relationship with these girls.

[@marte1376]

This is why women put more taxes on their bodies, you don't care about anything else, shes a human, like have some respect. Men get more in trouble when they want all free. You guys are digging your own graves. Cheers

[@brownbri1983]

They do. Their behavior is required. You can't just get laid open and direct, you have to be a cheater

[@rhuiden4086]

​@@marte1376 women are not passive victims

[@DoctorHemi]

This is not just a modern development, btw, it has been true throughout history. It's just that back in the past, there was a much bigger social pressure to get married (be monogamous) at a young age, so women settled for "lesser" men more often (because there were fewer "greater" men available). The marriages would almost always be miserable with little sex/affection and lots of resentment/regret. The upside was that families remained intact and kids had a much more stable upbringing.

[@DiningPhilanderer]

I'm not sure "almost always be miserable" is accurate. Also, is it fair to be constantly be compared to the best humanity has to offer? Let's flip the script here - One night I was looping through KZbin shorts and saw this incredible looking girl. If I was to compare local girls to her they would all fall short. Turns out she is from Romania and is in the perfect 19-24 age range. Are all local men supposed to be miserable because they are not with the hottest women on the planet? There are and have always been only a few "great" men/women - learn to live with and be happy with the best you can get. FWIW You are totally correct about the child upbringing...

[@whenpigsfly8178]

@@DiningPhilanderer That's where that saying comes in: "For every beautiful woman, there's someone who's tired of her bullshit." You might not have a woman of her beauty, but you don't have to worry about her being hit on to the same degree and the chances of her being a spoilt brat tend to increase with her beauty.

[@DiningPhilanderer]

@@whenpigsfly8178 I first saw that saying on a poster with a smoking hot chick. It's so totally true and changed my life. Smoking hot women are smoking hot for about 20 to 25 years? Integrity lasts forever.

[@user-lt1jd1ye3v]

Women didn’t settle, most people married for love, and their marriages weren’t miserable and they had active sex lives, hence the amount of kids they had. Where the f are you getting your information from?

[@ChrisSmith-gx4ri]

@@user-lt1jd1ye3v he has no idea what hes talking about. Women didnt settle, average women married average men and people had lots of sex. Today average women arent interested in average men. To get what average men and women 50 years ago had, modern men have to be above average and modern women dont even have to be average. Feminism and social media are the cause of this.

[@markallen2984]

Some very interesting insights here. The idea of a "discount" based on how much she likes you goes a long way to explaining a bunch of experiences I have had (and I have observed others having). Also the idea of men ghosting girls after sleeping with them because they are afraid she's going to try to "tie them down" is a fascinating one. It's probably even true that the guys aren't even consciously aware why they're ghosting that girl (especially if he routinely pledges/promises "love" to the girl as part of his seduction routine.... He's metaphorically written a check and he's afraid she's going to try to cash it)

[@kiravampira1456]

*As if* men don't treat the women they find attractive and the women they find unattractive completely different. And no, when you sacrifice a lot in order to look like what's socially considered hot, not even a real-life Adonis is consensually getting anything for free. Definitely not from the women that most of you want.

[@nuperspektive]

Or maybe she was annoying and after he hit it he changed his mind 😂

[@marte1376]

​@@nuperspektiveare you so cheap don't you even have the basic civility? You're dealing with a person you had gratification. Have some respect.

[@rhuiden4086]

It's much simpler than that. If she can keep his interest after he busts shes a keeper

[@imad4857]

This means pick up artists can’t run away with only good games. Great content and reality check.

[@DanielAttila]

The most sincere psychologist on the tube. Subscribing….

[@edeasley144]

I legitimately cannot tell if this should boost my self-esteem and confidence based on past relationships and potential relationships, or if it should make me hopeless that everything in modern society is trying to suck me dry of resources. I guess the former is probably better for mental health so I'll go with that.

[@marcusmcgraw3519]

This channel is firmly a red pill channel. Its intentions are absolutely in the right place compared to a lot of red pill channels, but its goal and purpose is the same at the end of the day And that is to make money off you and keep you in the loop of hopelessness. Therefore needing to watch more of their content. It’s by design that he shifted towards these topics

[@Naijarianman]

You're reading into things too much. All he's saying is make sure any woman you enter into a relationship is really feeling you, otherwise things are much more difficult.

[@AW-zy1kw]

@@marcusmcgraw3519As opposed to what? Red pill info is just arming yourself with true knowledge of female nature. It’s not all negative or hopeless. It might keep dudes eyes open and not get them swept up in female BS. How is that remotely bad. I wish this stuff was around when I was young; wouldn’t have had to learn it the hard way

[@edeasley144]

​@@NaijarianmanThat's probably my biggest issue with dating and relationships, I have no earthly idea if a female is genuinely interested in me, if they are just being nice or if they are a trying to access my wallet via my emotions. The end result is me often missing opportunities due to writing those opportunities off as the woman just being nice. I clearly have a cognitive bias towards not accepting that women might genuinely be interested in me.

[@Khan-rz8qi]

You’re not suppose to watch the video through an emotional lense. You’re supposed to listen to the information given to you, pick it apart, take the best parts and apply it to yourself.

[@mehraman2008]

CGA (coach greg adams) been saying this for ages. Salute to Psych Hacks and the coach gang!

[@johnq.public3302]

Amd CGA has just been Riffing off the the three R's. Rollo, Roissy and Roosh.

[@olog519]

This guy is a genius!!!! Such clear thinking is rare.

[@carlosoehler]

Dude I've just watched like 5 or more videos in a row and my head is about to explode. AWESOME content. Just AWESOME.

[@arminm4ths]

This is very accurate and so eloquently explained. Thank you

[@robertfindley921]

Spot on. Hard learned lessons of my life. And Friend Zoned guys pay the most with the prize always just out of reach. You could make a graph for men by replacing "Value" with something like "Niceness" or "Femininity".

[@jamescheaye927]

Guys in the friend zone are the jokers perpetually waiting in line for pizza that will more than likely NEVER be served to them. They’re better off leaving and finding another pizzeria within the 50 mile radius

[@TheShowOff2I]

@@jamescheaye927 They will go crazy and become bitter if they see that man at a different pizza shop getting better and lower prices pizza

[@edwardyoutube]

A condensate of important and valid concepts. I particularly liked the 2x2 square table, it really sums it up. As always, well done Dr. Orion.

[@digitalsoultech]

This channel is so good. Words can't express

[@Oneandonly-xn5ey]

Giving discount. Never thought of it that way. Great unique analogy once again. Keep going.

[@thebbcjoke]

Incredible video! Truhful and rational!

[@colbiepolite154]

I love your channel and approach to these topics. Very logical, no bashing just straight facts 😂💯

[@smithsmith1956]

Women will still see it as bashing, though. Which is funny honestly.

[@290revolver290]

That is why to beat down the price to the lowest possible, don't give too much attention, be rich, pursue your goals and to top it up, have an abundance mindset.

[@h.f.4095]

You are so effing SPOT ON!

[@philipbball6088]

Hey Doctor Orion, thanks for opening my mind. This is a realistic and positive teaching for a young man navigating the world of modern dating.

[@viceverse11]

Dr. Taraban giving out The Game with a pragmatic and pure perspective.

[@ismaelhall3990]

One of my favorite youtubers.

[@elfixa]

"the more she likes you, the bigger the discount" --> Oh man! That's pure gold and so damn true! 😂

[@corystarkiller]

That's a good explanation for why I'm single. They've never liked me, so my cost only goes up, with no chance for a discount.

[@exnihilonihilfit6316]

You should actually work on your VALUE for a change rather than just upping your price.

[@corystarkiller]

@@exnihilonihilfit6316 lol lmao even You're giving the most basic advice ever. If you thought of it, I've been doing it for over a decade now.

[@matthewbrooks1679]

My wife and I both appreciate your content keep up the good work.

[@chrisl2877]

Thanks! Your videos are quite helpful!

[@marriagecausesdivorce7540]

Summary: Chad and Tyrone pay the least but get back the best treatment because they are attractive. Husbands pay the most and get back the worst treatment because wives are not attracted to them and have such unrealistically high expectations. Conclusion: just be a Chad or Tyrone. And if you are not a Chad or Tyrone, do not get married, because you put yourself at risk of being severely punished for not meeting her expectations.

[@starkid9736]

spot on

[@strikingitrich7630]

Facts

[@Mayhzon]

If this was universal truth, we'd go extinct in about one generation. It holds true for a lot of the Hedonists, but not everyone is like that.

[@monkeyboyalcoholic]

Sorry for your losses, I know it's brutal. I hope you find peace.

[@whatsgoingon71]

Even shorter summary: Patronize professionals, don't bother with dating. Spend your money on yourself and your interrests.

[@BB-fo5mr]

Keep unapologetically pumping out the truth brother. Thank you

[@albertvirgil4471]

Dude your channel is so underrated.

[@dreamstories3524]

That diagram at the end was pretty good, and explain the dynamic very well.

[@seven92023]

I agree with this. There is always a price to pay.

[@legionletrebouchet9238]

So enjoy your candor! Yours are the wise words of a learned sage. Bravo, Doctor.

[@MontesDawg]

These concepts have proven true in my experience. The ones who were most attracted to me were basically throwing sex at me constantly and making it easy to work with my schedule. I didn't pay much in terms of time, money, or any other valuables. They acted as if they were lucky to Netflix and chill with me. The ones who wanted more of my time, energy, effort etc. were always more wishy-washy and more difficult to access sexually. It took me some time to figure this out but I'm glad I finally did and this video clearly illustrates what I believe to be true that the greater the attraction the easier the access and the better the "discount". The crux of this for me is the the discounts start to diminish and in a recent case I start to feel like they're getting the better deal because of the lost opportunity cost of pursuing someone I find more attractive. I think I want the middle ground where both people feel they are getting a good deal.

[@klauseba]

Same experience here. If she liked me then I only had to buy her 0-1 drinks. If she didn't like me then even if I bought drinks all night they would run away when the bar closed.

[@JohnnyDLaw]

Had this debate with my home boy n he went on a rent about "nah dawg u gotta cash out man,spoil your girl"blah blah blah...all i said was Theres a man out there who would have more access to her while doing less...i wasn't tryna be rude..its just the reality

[@DaBwoyKnows]

That's basically why long term relationships for men are a bad deal, especially if you're wealthy. From an evolutionary perspective men aren't even monogamous, deep down all of us KNOW this as men, even if some of us wanna act delusional. Relationships for men comes with minimizing loss as you receive dwindling returns. You're expected to provide more and increase that provision over time for a partner that gets less attractive and appealing overtime. Not to mention sex dries up overtime as well. It also doesn't help that most husbands don't even get sex WHEN they want, they get it when she FEELS like giving it up to them. When men rationally calculate all of this this, it's a bad deal in the long run, especially if we could be using our resources to explore a wider variety of what we're TRULY after, sex.

[@jman1562001]

@@klauseba I would stack the deck with different women on the same day. Ironically I find I retained better and it forced a time constraint in real time and made me less dependent on an outcome. Can't trip off a close the was never in the bag. The minute I sense I can't break touch barrier and be more flirty on the that first outing/date, just cut my losses . If I dig her and she enjoyed the time, we can possibly do a second outing, but every time I'm pushing the interaction forward. Women can sense intent and know when you are getting action, which forces her to reveal her hand. Organize dates/outings around things I like to do.Bring her into my world and if there is a lack of compliance, cut your losses.

[@LeadLeftLeon]

Guaranteed return by investing into yourself over relationships

[@TheEmptyFirefly]

Your videos are great. I like all of the ones that I watch and I share them all as well thank you for the content.

[@qizhong88888]

this episode is very enlightening! you just got a new subscriber.

[@Khalid-eb3sv]

On another video "Why 50-50 relationships DON'T WORK", you mentioned that the more you get to the 50/50 relationship, the less attractive you become as a man. So, men have provide financially and pay more in order to be respected and attracted to. However, here in this video the message is that the more you get to the 50/50 relationship, the more she likes you.

[@weirdcoincollection]

That's a great observation, but I think there's a distinct difference between those points. Women DO NOT WANT a 50/50 relationship, because, like ANYBODY they want all the advantages of something, without any of the disadvantages. Because of the sexual differences between men and women, women have easy access to sex and men do not. If a woman had the choice to have her lifestyle bankrolled by another person (a man) she would 100% have a preference in that dynamic. In this sense, it makes sense for a man to disproportionately "pay more than half" in order to keep a woman happy. Now, in this video, doc says that "the more attractive a man, the less he is going to pay for a woman's company". And so the inverse is assumed to be true as well-- if a man pays more, then he is less attractive. So, how can both points have truth to them? It certainly sounds contradictory. It's because they're similar talking points, but different topics entirely. Women have a preference to be taken care of. Men have a preference to have access to sex that costs them the least amount of resources. "Attractive men" (handsome, has money/resources, socially popular etc etc) pay less because women want access to them. A man who is less attractive has no choice but to "pay more" because a women will not give their time to someone they find less attractive. So it's two different things-- the attractiveness of males in relation to their worth, and the desires of women (who literally want everything, and have the sexual value to leverage that perspective) Similar, but different. Different, but the same thing.

[@alexyeskov7601]

You confuse cause and consequence - the more she likes you the more she can move to 50/50. And we all know worst cases when older unattractive woman with money can sponsor young handsome guys that do them so it can even be 100/0 😏

[@georgeelder8415]

Oh thit. He nailed it!

[@mohammedowais87]

Another great video, thank you! This does make sense, I guess it summarises the "interests" women could have in men.

[@JustinRoberts-dg3bm]

This fits with my experience 100%. Thanks.

[@DariusJones]

Finally, someone who understands the game. Dealing with women the same way you deal with your career.

[@Transfixion]

Shout out to the Coach Gang!

[@marriagecausesdivorce7540]

W Junior College and the 5 stroke special.

[@BoostedPastime]

HOME OF THE 49ERS!

[@Transfixion]

@@marriagecausesdivorce7540 While she lays there like the Carl's Jr. star.

[@fatpatlives1998]

​@marriagecausesdivorce7540 your name is incredible if I ever get back on PSN ima use it !!!

[@marriagecausesdivorce7540]

@@fatpatlives1998 I got my clock cleaned in divorce. Lost 70% of everything. Lost my money, house and kid. Don't do it.

[@ChrisPTY507]

Top tier lesson! Loved the Square set up near the end. Very concise and surgically explained.

[@booksfromthehood5779]

this is my favorite channel

[@djpuplex]

Thank you for speaking the truth.

[@darrenturner3534]

0:53 - "The more transactional the relationship, the less you actually pay." THIS MAN MUST BE PROTECTED AT ALL COSTS

[@massimo7219]

What a great way to explain it. Exactly true and perfectly succinct.

[@MDCigan]

Phenomenal video, especially the distinction between VALUE vs ATTRACTIVENESS

[@MDCigan]

​?

[@_sniper2305]

As always Dr. Orion, great insights (and why I'm subscribed). Couple of observations: 4:10 - 4:43 : That is the core of Redpill/MGTOW thinking (with a strategy of attracting more women - if the strategy is not to attract women it's just MGTOW forever - and it could be 1 strategy or the other). The idea is to "work on yourself" as an "investment", but the payoff is the "discount" you allude to. What's happening is that men are doing a cost/benefit analysis of that investment, and it doesn't always work out for the women. And that's definitely true of the step up commitment from sex to relationship. 6:16 - 6:44 : 100%. This is why it's a bit false for men to say they can't get any time with women: the truth is, they've rejected quite a few women, they just don't recognize it. They will approach the 7/8/9 woman, but will likely ignore the overweight female McDonald's cashier. Men do have standards, it's just that the standards are lower and measure different things then women do. That's the step up of a man to a woman from nothing to attention/sex.

[@SamuraiColorCutter]

At 30 I learned that Sex isn't even remotely what I'm interested in, and I've never experienced more romantic inquiries from women before. Having said that, almost all of the dialogue is over the top sexual and it feels...superficial to me. Extremely exciting and potent, but extremely superficial. Know your value, know what you bring to the table, and most importantly: know precisely what you want from the relationship as a whole. If she doesn't have it, send her away.

[@b4ph0m3tdk9]

That Square made a lot of sense, thx.

[@davidgutierrez8795]

as I mathematical person, I really love the logic and examples used on his analysis. Brilliant !

[@markprothero2666]

If men aren’t entitled to sex, then women shouldn’t be entitled to money. If withholding money can in some instances qualify as financial abuse, then withholding sex should also in some instances qualify as emotional abuse.

[@EE12CSVT]

Yes, withdrawal of sex can be considered to be controlling behaviour, but like accountability, that doesn't apply to women

[@brettgriffin415]

The problem isn't even the 6's with high standards. Its the fact that women who in terms of attractiveness are 1-4 or in other words not even average often have such high standards that a man who is a 7-8 is not good enough for them.

[@Jooo923]

You're the man. Love the chart 📈

[@stokeman363]

Words of wisdom my brother....facts

[@MVProfits]

I saw the title, and immediately agreed. Sad fact though, is that often, women super quickly like a man, and idolizes him, gives him all access and her best... while not in fact knowing much about that man yet! I write "sad" since eventually her attraction levels drop, and she can so quickly latch on to a new man that it's like you never mattered. We always need to add "right now" to sweet words and feelings a woman has for us. With this current no accountability culture for women, why even bother try for a long term relationship? As a player, we get way more rewards from them, and it sucks, as even us players would like a real relationship but then we get burned instead.

[@moderndaymerchant]

This is so true. Even the sweetest of sweeties will turn around on you like you never existed...

[@MVProfits]

@@moderndaymerchant sometimes they even credit things you've done... to the new guy she just met ha ha. I get the "survival mechanism", that's in her DNA. So most of the time, not at all malicious on her part or aimed at us... bu it hurts. And since actual survival is not exactly an issue in 2023, social pressure is needed. Just as us men are asked to curb our instincts, so should they be asked the same! Otherwise it makes no sense anymore for men.

[@moderndaymerchant]

@@MVProfits A woman had to be capable to marry and fall in love with her husband'a killer in olden times in order to survive, so it makes sense that they have the ability to switch like that..

[@MVProfits]

@@moderndaymerchant Exactly. That's why, even if it hurts, we can NOT take it too personal. But, we men are asked to curb our violent instincts and polygamy drives. It's only fair to ask women to curb their hypergamy. Social pressure and shaming used to make it so. Fair for women in the past? Maybe not, but it worked for society as a whole. Now they can do no wrong and it doesn't work. Just look at any genealogic tree. Only the last generation or two do you see so many families broken up. Plus they are less happy according to so many surveys - it doesn't seem to be doing too much good for them either!

[@raylevi5343]

Yeah, the delusion can be surprisingly strong.