All Terrain Wagons: Audi Allroad VS. Subaru Outback & Volvo XC70

[@brandondarklord]

Let's go Quattro gang! So glad I have an a4 allroad!!

[@MrBjarkenfjart]

V70xc is the GOAT. One car to do it all ❤️

[@bizkillall]

"The Subaru, using its LEGENDARY AWD, rolls back." I can smell that burn through my screen.

[@jrwynn49]

It’s the cvt no one doubts that’s it’s biggest problem

[@jrwynn49]

The newer models are better but the cvt is an absolute shame in my onyx xt

[@zwen3763]

@@jrwynn49 No one except subaru themselves. Apparently they love it so much they even phased out the manual gearbox for the WRX completely.

[@jrwynn49]

@@zwen3763 that’s not true. The 2022 WRX is offered with a manual

[@jacksonhuang2009]

@@jrwynn49 cvt the biggest problem?

[@bradcomis1066]

I love how committed the drivers are. They are going hard! Awesome

[@scott8919]

Your narrator sounds a lot more natural than he did originally. I appreciate it. The torque converter in that Subaru must have been red hot by the time the first test was done.

[@jacksonhuang2009]

It's cvt bro

[@James28R]

you appreciate it? jesus what a dick

[@dillonh321]

@@jacksonhuang2009 CVTs still have torque converters.

[@fabreezem8174]

You can't have a controlled test, when every driver is different and skill levels obviously vary drastically. This is silly.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

The problem of Subaru is in CVT, not in the awd system itself. Anyway, Outback 2.0 diesel would probably get a better result.

[@mateuspereira1360]

hey, nice to see u here! you both have awsome videos

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@mateuspereira1360 Thanks!

[@anotheran]

Any non variable torque distribution (Wrx) or non DCCD AWD (sti) Subaru is severely overrated. They’re about as good as a RAV4.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@anotheran Not at all. Both Subaru that you mentioned have mechanical center diff with electronically controlled clutch-pack. Rav4 doesn't have a center diff. Edit: probably my bad if you meant other Subaru than these two - in that case they will be quite similar to Toyota, only thermal capacity of Subaru clutch-pack is higher. And of course traction control systems are better tuned.

[@Simbstah1]

A subaru diesel would have snapped the crank before reaching the top.. :P (i owned two!)

[@fondobnzovu6556]

The old volvo shocked me the most and thanks for your content. Very informative for off road lovers like myself

[@markuspersson3969]

Not mutch sand in Sweden😂

[@bobbyperu8414]

not a haldex Volvo as it's a 2001

[@dogchainsaw3923]

Audi QUATTRO. It’s a reason they are legendary in rally racing…

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Actually that's a marketing legend. Audi wasn't the first 4WD in rallying (Subaru was!). Audi was winning only with RWD cars (but not in 1983 when they couldn't beat RWD Lancia). Audi didn't have any advanced AWD systems but the simplest, offroad ones. Audi won a championship twice, Subaru did it triple.

[@Seventschiko]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Might've not been the first but in the first 6 yrs of audi quattro, they won 4 championships.. with 3 in them being consecutive.. Also.. 4WD isn't AWD, but either way.. I'd argue it's easy to see which system worked better ;)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@Seventschiko Audi won the championship just twice - 1982 & 1984. AWD/4WD/4x4 - it's just a naming, there is no formal classification. Whatever definitions you can find - they are informal so they are useless. You have to look at mechanical structure of each system - then we can discuss which is better etc.

[@zdrafkoprhuda2494]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers it was first and revolutional, audi was road car, lancia and peugeot were prototyps - do not speak of something you do not know a shit.

[@zdrafkoprhuda2494]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers you must be stupid

[@slickstretch6391]

I have a '01 Volvo XC and I love this thing. Seeing it make it up that hill at all makes me happy, as I don't plan on driving on anything nearly this difficult, so I don't think I have to worry about getting stuck in anything I drive in.

[@MrRafarivera]

I own a 01 v70 xc and the big difference is in the tires I seen raised ones with good results and they look great

[@BellaPhoenyxFyre]

The 2001 still had the visco coupling AWD. The 07 (which, honesty looks more like a P3(08) has haldex III, 2 very different systems.

[@BellaPhoenyxFyre]

I had a 99 (P80) V70 XC with the visco coupling. I have now 2 03 and a lifted 05. Far superior than the P80 variant.

[@Neuwerks]

According to the AWD Test on Rollers channel, the Audi models wouldn't have made the hill f. This channel uses the EDL system properly and doesn't BOOT IT causing it's safety system to disable the EDL system. A proper test Nicely done by this group. Still a huge fan of Subaru and Audi Symmetrical AWD systems.

[@sizzlacalunji]

I see how much the cvt has impacted Subaru’s performance. While I never had the outback my mom has a forester (2.0L non turbo, sohc, w/LSD) (MY2000) imported from Singapore. We have never had issues going through terrain that appeared similar to what I see here. On one occasion I parked in an area where a jimny and hilux couldn’t get out of. I selected the ❄️ button and got out without a fuss. The forester felt torquey. So much so as a teen I left the car in drive... while giving someone a jump start. Youthful exuberance 🤦🏾‍♂️. When my mom jumped in she just put some revs on. That van leaped forward and climbed the Tercel’s bonet and fender. Despite the damage we were impressed. I wish try and tackle this terrain. Bet it’s better than the outback. Having owned a JDM 04 legacy GT and getting caught in slippery conditions uphill, watching this Outback just rev and not move is sad. Not even wheels spin on the loaded tires. It can’t supply the torque.

[@scott8919]

As much as I like CVTs they are definitely not something for off road. Off road driving requires torque as opposed to power, and CVTs are naturally limited in torque, so companies like Subaru have to be more conservative in their traction control tuning to avoid belt slipping/transmission failure.

[@sizzlacalunji]

@@scott8919 spot on!!

[@alejandrozuleta1346]

@@tomaskroupakkfoto4132 Yes, that is right, but if the Subaru driver take more distance to gain speed maybe can climbed, here in Colombia the engine are 3.6 6 cilinder and 2.5 turbo

[@alejandrozuleta1346]

@@tomaskroupakkfoto4132 this is my video testing the Subaru Outback 3.6R kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2SqiHhqirKbp5Y

[@waynemwangi9444]

Subaru is fighting the very identity that got them where they are today, if I want a town daily driver there are soo many options, wrong strategy not listening to their fans at all. Plastic cladding on the new wilderness is useless if it can't perform off-road.

[@coolgamer1945.]

Big fan of both Audi and Subaru . My first car was a 1995 Subaru legacy sedan AWD. 300,000 miles and tough winters in lake Tahoe. Now drive Audis wow wish I could be a rally driver I love having a beautiful car that can handle gritty situations

[@motivpp]

"Lets leave the Subaru with its legendary AWD do its grocery runs and leave the real offroad to the Quattro vehicles " is the quote I wish you said lmao

[@wavypeso]

😂🔥

[@florencemoki9190]

You are very right 👍

[@linomontuno3024]

Obviously, legendary AWD + weak engine doesn't cut it when strong engine is also required is the take home lesson.

[@bcyr-CO]

Subaru's CVT is its biggest let down. The Audis and even the Volvos would have no chance against an older (gen 1- gen 3) Outback (5mt or 4/5EAT) or a gen 4 with the 6spd manual.

[@DavGreg]

The newer (current generation) Outbacks have a significantly improved AWD system, have more HP (Turbo 2.4) and an improved CVT transmission. A Wilderness Outback would fare much better.

[@davidb9166]

Why use the base 2.5 liter Subaru against vehicles with turbo charged and larger engine vehicles? This was a set up from the beginning.

[@kmuinde]

Am glad we have shows like this so I don't have to take my Audi through those challenges

[@phishphood423]

One of the most ironic results was the 2001 Volvo V70XC with NO traction control and a non-computer controlled AWD system (uses a viscous coupling for the rear diff) beating the XC70 of the much more technologically advanced P3 platform xD I will say that from experience Volvo AWD/DSTC is exceptional is on snow more than anything. Perfect amount of car intervention but subtle enough that you the driver are still in control. Compare that to my experience with VW group DSTC -- far too aggressive, will basically cut ALL throttle input if you try to swing the tail out into a slide in the snow. This sounds "safe" but actually isn't -- powering out of a slide is one of the most successful techniques available. Cutting power just ensures that you continue to drift sideways off the road.

[@carloskeim]

Yes, had a 07 p2 and the tcs was very subtle in gravel roads not like the Subaru that grab the brakes very firmly and take me off sync

[@cesarescrignoli442]

Hi, I have been looking at a 2011 Volvo XC70 T6. What do you think about it?

[@phishphood423]

@@cesarescrignoli442 T6 is a pretty great motor. Fast car, generally routine maintenance is pretty easy. Some oil burning issues on the P3 platform, but more of the 3.2. See when it last had an oil change and check the condition/level of the oil. Also the gearbox oil will need changing if it has not been done. TF80-SC is a good gearbox but can develop shift flare with poor maintenance.

[@Agur.A]

Was the Subaru traction contol ON or OFF? It needs to be OFF with X-mode on in these kind on situations, otherwise you wont get full power and traction!

[@beauwasiak8617]

Damn the QUATTRO systems are just the best 🐐

[@Pieces93]

Na not by any means, LR has by far the best all terrain system, when RR walked up this hill as if it was going down the shop. These cars struggled a lot in comparison.

[@bsfunk44]

@@Pieces93 you're talking about suvs and he's talking about cars dipshit..

[@davidjolliffe9622]

@@Pieces93 Yeah right. LR works well off-road but is an absolute pig on the road. Drives like a tractor. You do understand the difference between an off roader and an all terrain vehicle? Nothing even comes close to quattro in road manners & off-road capability.

[@stradivarioushardhiantz5179]

Wondering if comparing segment of offroad; 1. V90 Cross Country : E63s Estate All Tereain : A6 Allroad 2. Urus : Cayenne GTS Coupe: RS-Q8 3. Cullinan : Bentayga 4. Escalade ESV : Navigator L : Suburban : Yukon XL Denali : Expedition Platinum 🚗🏁🚕🏁🚗🏁🚕🏁🚗🏁🚕🏁🚗🏁🚕🏁

[@dantheman4235]

I think tires played a huge role in this as well. I’d like to see a 2005-2007 xc70 in this with the updated haldex system

[@carloskeim]

Yes! Had a 07 andd it was very good

[@Yeahnahnahyeahyeahnah]

Would like to see this up against an 05-07 3.0l outback

[@Kimii99]

This xc70 is 2008 and beyond and i think awd is broken here because i have 2008 d5 awd is working very good not like here cant transfer power to other wheels

[@randomthingch1970]

That audi with low profiles tires be like

[@kostayetti]

​@@Kimii99maybe it is.. My 2010 xc70 DTSC working much better. And probably a bit better than my 2007 xc70.

[@VictorReviewsGarage]

ahhhh FINALLY! I have been waiting for this episode almost like for a cinema show. Lets be real, the A4 is the winner here. I can understand a 4.2 rocket can push itself but the A4 allroad with street tyres. come on. Makes me wanna go out an buy it. Great videos. Keep it up!

[@carholic-sz3qv]

The audi wins because subaru has killed their awd systems with the garbage cvt

[@kokibr91]

Exactly, furthermore, new gen A4 has electronic quattro rather than traditional torsen on the A6.

[@Cef3axon1]

@@kokibr91 That's not true, A4 has torsen. Just A3, TT and Q3 has Haldex. Dont write if you dont know.

[@kokibr91]

@@Cef3axon1 This gen A4 has a quattro ultra system which is electronically engaged 4x4 and front wheel drive under normal conditions, similar to haldex. Last gen A4 and Q5 are not having torsen systems anymore. You are welcome.

[@432vova]

Both of you are right and wrong at the same time. The A4 in the video is petrol version, hence it is equipped with quattro ultra, but diesel cars come with torsen (permanent all wheel drive). Toresn is by far the best system but the new system is also nice as more economical as its not a permanent all wheel drive. However, unlike torsen it requires more maintenance.

[@BATworkshop]

I had a 2004 V10 TDI touareg, It had center and a rear diff lock. It was a absolute joy to play with off road. Also the air ride would give a lot of ride height. I miss that car

[@ryantomei]

For the Subaru, like you did with the Volvo, the 3rd option should always be to turn off TCS. That way people watching aren’t left wondering if that would have made a difference. I’ve seen this complaint on videos for years yet reviewers rarely do it

[@HyRax_Aus]

It's the biggest fail of all inexperienced off-road drivers - they always leave traction control on!!

[@wanleaf]

Turnning off the TCS had saved me from being stuck in the deep mud. Sometime you just want to the tires to spin regardless to push through

[@ssssssss6889]

And gear to manual mode.

[@fireball3421]

There are very big differences from a 2007 to a 2015, why not use vehicles of the same year, I think the results would be different

[@432vova]

A4 clearly is the best. Glad I own one 😀

[@ozzless]

If only the tester would read Subaru manual and disable ESP in hard situations. Then it would jump up this "road" first by far. I'm not even talking about enabling x-mode, whuch makes this vehicle practically unstoppable if it doesn't sit on it's belly.

[@phwhitefly]

Kudos to those Audi owners taking on this challenge, I'd never do that with my car.

[@syncsummit]

Same here. Great car.

[@shivamthakur8148]

Audis are really nice well put together cars. Far better than Subarus

[@keepthinking2666]

Why did the 2001 Audi have tires? That were basically racing tires with no tread just halfways for water. Of course, that thing wouldn't.

[@kiko83903]

I have to say even as audi die hard I wasn’t expecting them to do so well 👌

It was very interesting to see that some of these cars even with summer road tires could reach the top. This deep sand was a difficult terrain. Others were a big disappointment, like Subaru.

[@linomontuno3024]

The problem with Subaru is any Subara with weak engine trying to conquer obstacles that require strong engines.

[@archhangell]

I missed the part where Subarus used momentum to go up so am cool with their performance

[@Zachariasinc]

​@@archhangell right?? such a trash test lmao my 05 forester has made it up shit like that

[@441meatloaf]

@@Zachariasinc You guys are clueless. Its not the engine....what it lacks is torque control....CVT transmission do not deliver torque well under load, especially in low end torque required in situation like this. Even with the new 2.4L turbo it still suffers the same issue with torque slip.

[@julianus_dux_bellorum9585]

​@archhangell clearly you didn't watch the entire video. If you did, you would have seen the Subaru make afew more attempts using momentum and finally make its way up the hill.

[@RobRosendahl]

Please do a video comparing old and new subarus. You've only tested subarus with the 2.5 and a CVT. I'd like to see how some with different engines and transmissions do against these other crossovers and mid-size SUVs

[@Fabio-80]

for a correct use of the Subaru it is necessary to activate X-mode and deactivate Esp

[@bossykxngtahzai16]

I enjoy watching these type of videos 👍👍👍

[@SUVBattle]

Glad to hear it! Hope you will enjoy next one

[@gbenes]

@@SUVBattle can you test Audi Allroad C5 2.5 TDI year 2003 with manual transmission with Low range ? There is much more agressive traction control due to 570nm torque in Low Range mode

[@richardlove4287]

I’ve got a 3.6r 270 bhp outback….I’m pretty sure that it would make it up there. The 2.5 tested has a different cvt than the 3.6 ….it’s a different animal altogether. Perhaps get a top of the line outback and give it a go.

[@YEH0]

I've gone up muddy hills steeper than what they were driving with no issues. the 3.6r outback is no joke

[@marinusmourik9494]

​@@YEH0I've a 2018 2.5 Outback and do this kind of tracks often, it has all to do with your off road skills,tires and technical knowledge of your car. Actually these cars aren't built for these tracks. Driving in snow is more their speciality.

[@Dinara88]

no matter how you turn it, you can't go wrong with an quattro.

[@DiggoryEuthymius]

Wouldn't bet my hair with quattro used in Q2 and in Q3.

[@carholic-sz3qv]

Bullshit, its because of subaru cvt

[@dogchainsaw3923]

@@carholic-sz3qv Quattro systems are mechanically bulletproof and they work. What’s more to not like?

[@carholic-sz3qv]

@@dogchainsaw3923 lol.... quattro system is definitely not Bulletproof sorry to disapoint you.

[@niume7468]

​@@carholic-sz3qv how so?

[@FilipeSoares-mw9us]

Well I didn't understand why you did the test of the Audi Allroad Quattro (oldest one) with ONLY the 3rd level of suspension engaged instead of the 4th level which grants a ground clearance of 21cm. Also some of the cars had mixed tires while that one had road flat tires unfitted for the challenge. Nontheless the car make it. What would be the performance of the 2.5 TDI 180 HP 370Nm tiptronic year 2005 BAU engine!!?

[@FilipeSoares-mw9us]

Anyway good test.

[@gbenes]

2.5 TDI manual with low range,even better 😊

[@DrCrimp-sg5pb]

I would have love you to have an A6 C7 BiTDi with its 650nm That was a great video !

[@ababagfx]

The CVT messed up Subaru legendary performance

[@byambaus1]

Cvt failed everyone also is not cvt

[@DimitryLos]

Красавчики что заделали интернациональную версию - аудитория огроменная!

[@joshuaananth5672]

I have a 2004 Volvo XC70 and I use winter mode when I stuck in deep mud.. I use 255/45R18. Maybe winter mode could help. Thanks for the video. It's a good overview before buying a car.

[@yiraleeid]

CVTs are designed for supreme smoothness and comfort and, by design, they are very bad for serious off roading. I can't believe Porsche did that bad omg!! Excellent video keep it up!

[@ikedichukwuchesa413]

Honestly. I expected more from th Cayenne.

[@Yavorh55]

this is the perfect comparison between varying cars that I've been eyeing for my needs!

[@latrace1986]

I am so thoroughly impressed by this video. Thank you for doing this!

[@RAM_QZ]

Ochen big job bilo prodelano! Kak-budto posmotrel zarubezhnoe video, proiznoshenie cool, good luck vam, molodcy guys 😉

[@tinker1148]

The Subaru’s should have turned off VDC and engaged L or 1st gear to get maximum torque.

[@iiviin]

Totally agree! This would have eliminated the CVT woes everyone is having. It even says this in the outback’s manual!

[@vireakbotsak7124]

They let the Volvo do a full send with traction control off but not Subaru, if u know u know🤷🏽

[@ryant3]

The Outback Gen5 had a mid life update with retuned x-mode and dual x-mode. Could you test those instead?

[@tuoshi9060]

Can you find an Outback of the 4th generation (2009-2014) with a flat six, a 5-speed AT, and a VTD awd system (same as WRX)? I suspect the result will be very difference;)

[@peterjamieson2441]

I think so too

[@tuoshi9060]

The two Outbacks in this test, with a NA flat four and a CVT, might be the least capable version of Outbacks in recent years

[@laurentiudavid8950]

I owned one of those. 😥 ... God how I miss it...

[@iiviin]

@SUVBattle can you find one of these and test it out!

[@fraka899]

Can you make a video with small SUVs like the Suzuki Vitara?

[@danieljackson-woods6225]

Should go back and redo it with the outback using momentum like you did with the Volvo. Driving a vehicle properly offroad makes all the difference

[@henkstols9326]

In all honesty these obstacles are way above the Subaru CVT capabilities, it will over heat and the latest Subaru's are basically made for family highway cruising. If you think I'm bashing the the brand please note our family has one and the Renault Duster 4wd we also had was way more suited to cross axle driving and rocky climbs.

[@danieljackson-woods6225]

@henkstols9326 they really aren't I do harder trails in my crosstrek and now my obw, never once had an issue with the cvt. So you don't know shit about the capabilities. But good try bud.

[@henkstols9326]

@@danieljackson-woods6225 they fantastic vehicles for families around town but cant agree that they are capable, tried mild stuff with the Forrester and the CVT is not designed for anything but maybe a gravel road that was scraped yesterday.

[@clivereid]

Diyas, your English is improving massively and you speak very clearly. One small thing I've noticed is that you say "...the diagonal suspension" and I think what you're really meaning to say is "...the diagonal obstacle". I hope that helps and keep-up the good work; these are some of the best 4x4 tests I've seen on KZbin. 🙂

[@bakhtiyarpakhirdinov2461]

Thanks for your feedback. We're constantly trying to improve the English translation quality. With regards to the particular "diagonal suspension" thing, it was more about positioning the vehicle with diagonally located wheels hanging rather than the obstacle itself. Unfortunately we couldn't find any proper English off-roading terms glossary plus terms differ in various countries. We will keep your correction in mind for future videos anyway, thank you very much again. P.S. check how Diyas pronounces "pothole" in early videos 😁

[@Nelsondrives]

Hello, Mr Diaas. Great job! I've waited for Audi SUV bottle, let me enjoy the show and comment you back.

[@o4pureh2o]

I have done literally thousands of KM in sand and off road in Subaru outbacks. I've had 3 different H6 3L outbacks with traditional automatic gearboxes. The automatic gearboxes need to be put in the right gear but are bombproof. One is still going strong with close to 400,000km on it. I avoid the newer model outbacks because of the CTV gearbox which I feel has severely impacted the sand performance of the outback. Having said that the CTV is far nicer on the road.

[@TheSourcherryblaster]

How many head gaskets have you replaced?

[@pablomoreno1999]

Again, quattro is the answer....that powertrain is killing subaru, honestly their traction control and awd systems are pretty much perfect. They just need a bit more torque to work with...if they don't want to give up with the CVT they need a more powerful engine.... Oh and Special mention to the macan. Disappointing...

[@TVCHLORD]

i was so sad when the macan failed, i love that little suv

[@pablomoreno1999]

@@TVCHLORD so do i, i think is a nice preppy little SUV. just not made to lift wheels up in the air...

[@DRxPHYL]

Just bought me a A4 Allroad and it rides like a dream tio

[@nolob]

Haha low blow for the "legendary symmetrical four wheel drive" that allows the Subaru to roll back :))))

[@legioner9]

What do you mean? This new model has a shit gearbox. You should look on older KZbin videos (cause there are quite a few) to see comparisons and so that it will help you to understand why Subaru is renowned for its 4WD system.

[@jakobrava]

these 4wd systems are not designed to struggle like this without speed. quattro and subaru 4wd were first designed for rally and will provide the best maneuverability at higher speed

[@nolob]

@@jakobrava true. Mechanical lockers are the best for crawling.

[@arefeshghi]

Put those Subaru wheels under the Audis, and they'll perform much better. This video was very beneficial for me, since despite having an A5 and knowing the Quattro, I was a little bit hesitant if Q5 will be any good in offroad conditions (soft offroad of course). Now I'm probably going to buy a Q5.

[@NegativeSpacesPositiveEntropy]

I have a 2001 V70XC with a stage 3 tune and lifted 3” most importantly Toyo Open Country AT3 215/70-16 on all 4 corners, curious how my car would fair up on this test.

[@DavGreg]

Where is the current generation of Outback, Allroad and Cross Country? Tires also make a huge difference.

[@08VaNupe]

I think if Subaru had a traditional torque converted transmission or a manual it plus it’s new FA24F engine it would’ve performed better. Audi with 2.0T, 3.2 V6 and V8 QUATTRO did well

[@revaholic]

I would be interested in seeing the Subaru XV Crosstrek with a manual transmission take this hill on, to see if Subaru's system is still good without a CVT.

[@victorteran9766]

I have a 2021 2.0 6MT, and have succesfully gone up a similarly challenging road. I have to revv the hell out of the engine since torque is a little scarce but it goes up no problem. CVTs dont send as much power and AWD is different, plus engine cuts power to prevent damaging the transmission, while with my 6MT I'm just left with some burned-out cluch smell.

[@yurikhar]

Thanks for the promotion AUDI A4 AllRoad...!!!

[@Kryxtal]

This video literally convinced me to buy an A4 allroad for use in Colorado

[@-z-jmx4348]

Audi is great even if it's a timely 4WD quattro ultra (A4 allroad B9)

[@wavypeso]

damn you're right I forgot the all roads have the Quattro ultra not a torsen system like my sedan version of the a4 that's impressive for Quattro ultra honestly

[@CosminCraiova]

I wish they had a A6 C8 Allroad, from 2020-2023 in this test. I'm looking to get one !

[@levmans8865]

Subaru does have 3.6 liter engines too. It would be interesting to see how do they berform in this test.

[@MrMarfy131]

outback is really limited by CVT. Which is ok on streets, but in terrain, it is causing power losses. 2.5L in subaru is not very strong engine either. With 2.5T it could have chance.

[@ozzless]

Again, if only this blogger disabled the ESP , it would jump up this road much faster that any audi. Enable x-mode to see it almost stop ANY wheel slip at all.

[@sking2173]

@@ozzless - LOLOLOLOL ...

[@bombardierboerboels]

My Touareg escape has 2 locking difs and low range from factory 😁

[@RichardEnglander]

Thats the proper on with offroad pack yes? Beast

[@alecwhatshisname5170]

That macan gts got shafted. They had it on Pirelli p-zeroes in 2ft deep sand 😭

[@krisbodurov1497]

To be honest im an Subaru owner and i can vouch of how good they are off road....HOWEVER the problem with the new generation Subaru's is the "stupid" CVT gearbox. If they had atraditional gearbox (a good example is ZF-8) or even a manual version, they will perform much better off road. Nowadays Subaru much prefer to think about MPG / L per 100km rather than off road ability as they did in the past. I own a 5 speed manual Subaru Forester 2003 which will go through this challenge without any problems, as i've been through much harder off roading in it.

[@Kdpeters80]

Just me, or was the traction control left on in the Subaru the whole time while others were turned off after they failed for the first time?

[@johnfarel3152]

Lots of fine tuning and changes to xmode since 2015. I would suspect the dual xmode Subarus would do better and this would be a piece of cake for the wilderness versions

[@barbecuetechtips6024]

Doubt that

[@robbrownfield7677]

They would have done ok if the driver drove them rather than park them in a dip then trying to rev. I am on my third outback and the newer dual X-mode would have walked this. Even the older version I had on my 2019, if used with a disabled traction control, would have made a much better attempt. None of these reviews ever have traction control switched off.

[@daves3402]

Is the "Legendary Subaru Performance" legendary anywhere outside Subaru advertising? Personally I would prefer a rear and center Torsen to any electronic setup. I had it in my old 1991 Audi V8 Quattro (with manual transmission to boot...) and that car was unstoppable in snow. Being a luxury saloon, it would not make it up that hill simply due to clearance, but the drivetrain would handle it no problem. The C5 allroad I currently have is nearly as good though. The 2.7 bi-turbo is a beast of a motor. Even this "antiquated" 2001 machine made a fine showing in the test. One issue all these cars have is the torsion bars. They really work against you on a test like this.

[@jimj2683]

It would be helpful if you mentioned ground clearance.

[@FilipeSoares-mw9us]

Yes indeed. I didn't understand why the old Audi Quattro drove with ONLY the 3rd level of suspension, while its ground clearance with the 4th level (21cm) would have given it much better performance!!

[@karlraffelsieper1232]

I have a 2019 Allroad, and when you engage the Quattro Ultra in offroad mode it's amazing. I live in a part of Canada that doesn't get lots of snow removal and in real world tests the Audi is simply outstanding. With good snow tires you get anywhere you want to go.

[@Fresh-tw7ev]

Karl I have the 2019 Golf Alltrack. In wonder what similarities these two VAG products share in common?

[@karlraffelsieper1232]

@@Fresh-tw7ev I'm sure there is. But the Ultra is something I think is only found in Audi's. VW group use Haldex from BW on many of their products including Audi, SEAT, even Bugattis and Lambos. Are they the same? I would imagine some are others are not.

[@lm1314]

So wish I got the Allroad instead of sedan. Don't get me wrong, I love my car but now want a station wagon. New Audis don't have cd player anymore and love ripping cds into jukebox. Everyone says use Android Auto. It's not the same for easy to use MMI when driving to pick things. Hindsight is 20/20.

[@karlraffelsieper1232]

@@lm1314 I guess the newest don't have them. With the B&O option in my 2019 I have a "slim" CD in the glovebox along with all kinds of SD / USB inputs. I think it uses too much of the space but, everything is a compromise. I had an A4 sedan when they first came out with the v6 and I really liked it. Making a 5 hr run to Toronto from Ottawa a real pleasure. I gave up my SUV for the Allroad and I have almost the same capacity. I don't regret or miss the SUV in any way. I know what you mean. Android Auto is OK. Having to have it tethered is a pain, but I still think CDs sound better than streaming. Like you say 20/20... I'm sure you get lots of joy with the sedan too 😀

[@Alchemic_Psycho]

Those cvts in the Subarus make the already underpowered car completely gutless.

[@theluckyman74]

Has the Audi Q7, and Porsche Cayenne, done this runs ? I am considering buying one. Vw Tureg is also pretty cool

[@twoblink]

I own 2 Subaru Outbacks; a 3.6 with a traditional transmission; and a 2.5 with a CVT. The CVT is not very good and is the weaklink.

[@brianhaygood183]

The C5 and C6 allroads use the same system. The C6 is a very mild facelift of the C5. You put the C5 in last place behind vehicles that couldn't mechanically handle the slope, and the C6 goes in third.

[@avant74]

Agree. Absolutely stupid!

[@quattroTorsen]

How the hell have I not found this channel earlier??? This is some Great content 😲😀👍

[@guinnessharvey4476]

Audi A4 Allroad looked really impressive

[@jrey7171]

Would like to see 2006-2007 P2 XC70 as the Haldex AWD system is different to the 2001 model in this video

[@sirowthereaper]

P1 is 2001 p2 is 2002 and 2003 while p3 is 2004 to 2007. P3 is supposed to be the better awd system. I have a 2003 xc70 and I love it I also put a 2inch lift in it. They are nice cars.

[@manu144x]

Is it safe to assume the Lada was in low with at least one locked diff?

[@Kittamaru]

Honest question... Why such a plodding and slow approach? I would dare say I could have gotten either of my Legacy (an 01 and a 13)up there no issue. Is the camera diminishing the slope or something? I have never had any incident where the wheels refused to even spin - something just seems wrong.

[@aleksandarnenadovic5606]

Becuause when you speed up any car can overcome an obstacle

[@K0nst4nt1n96]

The purpose ist to test the awd system not to get up the hill.

[@Kittamaru]

@@K0nst4nt1n96 yes, but end of the day, isn't momentum king? I mean, the real world application of this seems rather limited?

[@K0nst4nt1n96]

@@Kittamaru Yes of course. But you cant really carry momentum in estate cars or you would destroy the bumper etc. I like these videos because they actually show how the ESP or Traction Control reacts and how much momentum you loose if you get too slow. Imagine having to stop on a hill because of a big rock you need to go around or you cant roll back because of a trailer. Then you need the system to work really well in order to transfer the energy to the right wheels and build momentum. You can clearly see how much brake application is needed to stop the wheels from spinning. In the real world you would quickly overheat the brakes and then you would have open differentials. Also you can see that the audis let the wheels spin a lot more which could be helpful if you need to keep momentum like in sand. The subaru would brake you to a stillstand if you slip too much making it impossible to get out of the sand. All open differentials are not working in the real world. The Audis have (if configured properly) a torsen middle diff and in the back a limited slip diff so only the front is open and needs to be coped by the traction control. This helps a lot but is still worse than lockable diffs.

[@Kittamaru]

@@K0nst4nt1n96 Certainly, which is one of the reasons I miss my old 1990 Pathfinder so much. That said, isn't it safe to say that the AWD systems tested here weren't designed for serious off-road work, but rather handling the conditions one would find in daily driving and the occasional light trail / campsite run? If one wanted to go rock crawling, a proper 4x4 with lockers, A/T rubbers, and such would seem more appropriate. Damn, I miss my old Pathy heh. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what was being attempted here?

[@RichardEnglander]

The Touareg with offroad pack is a beast. Loads of torque. Would like to see that one in action

[@marmurm]

All Touaregs 1st gen have center diff locks. I’m not sure why it wasn’t used in this test

[@legambaz]

Though this is indeed an interesting video and very entertaining, I have to say that none of these cars were designed for this terrain condition. Their AWD systems are merely made for road use, snow on road mostly while entertaining certain trails. For this terrain, I believe an outright 4x4 with proper tires (which would be uncomfortable and noisy on roads) would make it easily. But, while acknowledging what this test is about; a test of the 4x4 electronic systems, one need to know the ones that pride themselves with superior 4x4 systems are the Audi and Subaru and they started blowing the marketing horns back in the 70s or 80s. It is only recent years, the Audi's 4x4 electronics actually helped them overcome this terrain slightly better than other much cheaper cars.

[@martinsv9183]

23:05: All of the cars have plenty enough torque to spin the loaded wheels. But not to overcome the brakes applied by the traction control. Unless low range. That's why these systems work so poorly. Especially diagonally where there is no Torsen, Haldex or similar. Far too much wheel spin. Or as seen at 23:10 complete lock up due to weak engine or cvt . Dont understand why they even use these inadequate systems. Whats so hard about just implementing a regular diff lock?? Will stress the engine, drivetrain and brakes far, far less.. and it always works 100%.. instantly. You could get an automatic rear diff lock in a base model MB 190 from 1987........ a car that didnt have any ambitions at all of being an off road car even...

[@jasonquaile2492]

too many dummies don't know how they work and end up being replaced under warranty lol

[@martinsv9183]

@@jasonquaile2492 With an automatic diff lock like you could get in the cheapest MBs in the late 80's already, you dont need to know how it works. Its enough that the system knows.

[@bigglyguy8429]

@@martinsv9183 Those limited slip type wear out fast off-road but plenty enough to get you off a grassy verge etc. I have both a locked Hilux and a 2.0 Subaru XV. The Subaru is surprisingly good for what it is but in this test you'd need a bit of a run-up and keep the momentum going. Or just use the Hilux with lockers :)

[@martinsv9183]

@@bigglyguy8429 I'm not sure these cars have an LSD even... While you in 1987 could order a base MB 190, not with an LSD, but with a real automatic diff lock. A car not even intended for off road use... 35 years later cars intended for some off road use dont even have it... And we see the result in the video. Completely ridiculous. For no reason.

[@bigglyguy8429]

@@martinsv9183 I actually had a 190E, lovely car. In the glovebox was a German test certificate stating it covered 45 miles per gallon. plus the liter per 100km thing. Most modern cars don't come close to that, too big and heavy. I recall walking to my car in a car park and realised the new Ford Fiesta next to it actually looked bigger...

[@waynemwangi9444]

Kindly if possible in future include P3 Volvo wagons, V60,V90 cross country models we see how they fair.

[@dyankopetkov9056]

Pretty unfair comparison. Different tyres, different weather conditions, etc.

[@jajesamsigurno1002]

My wild guess is that Subaru is not sponsoring this test like in some other channels.

[@elzrinja365]

You should test the first gen Audi Q7 it has a more agressive EDL then the rest of Audi line up. Keep up with good work!

[@jonathancano.167]

Can we see a 04 or up xc70 awd or a xc90 V8 with Instant traction

[@dancrecan]

Hi Diyas, thanks for getting back to me. You're videos are the best. I like to see the test with the last generation Montero but I can't find it.

[@JackInDaBoxx]

If you did as much momentum with the outback as you did with the Volvo it would have done it.

[@alexanderjamesINC]

Yeah I agree. Unfair testing.

[@bharvey2010]

@@alexanderjamesINC You think that's unfair but choose to ignore the oldest Volvo is 14 years older than the Subaru. At best its still 8 years older in the second test

[@chandrakantutube]

I liked all the video content you put and make sure watch them soon they are available, well I am as Subaru fan and thanks to the white OB to keep the glory :). I would appreciate and equally excited to see how a newer generation OB performs (specially the wilderness line up), as that would be real competition to others in the list. Thanks for sharing such nice contents, I am sure they take a lot of effort to put it together.

[@reecedrury4145]

I loved my V60 Cross Country. Was hoping to see that here

[@I_THE_ME]

What is the purpose of the plastic piece in front of the XC70's bonnet?

[@SUVBattle]

The plastic piece is covering the front side of the bonnet from small stones/dents

[@I_THE_ME]

@@SUVBattle Thanks!

[@SUVBattle]

Is it first time you see such kind of device? For me it looks useful, but does not aesthetically pleasing

[@bakhtiyarpakhirdinov2461]

Some people call it a "fly killer". To me it is a useless decorative thing. It also improves the rusting of the bonnet edge by gathering the mud/leaves/trash in between

[@legioner9]

Saying that the Audi A4 and the Subaru don’t have enough power is scientificaly wrong. You need actually a small amount of power to the wheels to make the car move, e.g. 30 hp/wheel would be plenty to make it move. In the Subaru’s case, all the power and torque were not transfered to the wheels because of that miserable CVT, despite the good traction control system. The main problem of these cars in the video is the open diff. You could say that a higher engine power & torque will bring an increased power spike transferred to the non-spinning wheel, given a more soft traction control system.

[@deltaf32001]

Quite surprising test, at least for Volvo and Subaru. Could you, if ever want to revisit the topic of all terrain wagons in the future, to include a VW B8 Alltrack in the mix? maybe with the 2.0 bi-turbo diesel or 2.0 tsi engine, please, even if such engines are managed by a dsg gearbox? I know this is not the main focus of the channel but I am curios to see if the haldex system of the VW performs differently from the Quatro system on the A4 allrroad you have had in this test. Maybe include also even also a B7 Alltrack with a manual gearbox, or , if you can find, a B8 with manual gearbox even if such variants have lower torque. It might be interesting to see how the VW integrated all-terrain in a Passat compared to the A4 pr A6 allroads. Thanks again for your work and extensive testing over the years!

[@ktjamlex]

Anyone seen the video of the big 4WDs trying to get up a sand hill whilst a Subaru quietly goes up whilst they all watch?

[@mark-qi6di]

Thank you for this comprehensive test!

[@Alecks1990]

and there we go, if you want to go offroad, buy something with 3 locking differentials, not one, not two, but three.

[@detskalldaltas133]

Mitsubishi Pajero Sport!