All the New CGC 9.9 Comics to One Submitter?

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[@3riverscomics571]

This just feels like pay to play between cgc and auction houses. Even feels worse now that these appear to have gone to comic link.

[@grownassedgamergamer807]

and it's not new either. Check out the books in this submission from 2009. 0790587001-021 guy submitted 21 books and got one 9.8, two 10.0's and eighteen 9.9's. That's insane.

[@comiccollex958]

The connection between auction houses and 9.9 submissions is extremely troubling. That GSX1 is another example.

[@eggplantcomics8336]

Not just ANY submitter, and that’s the point isn’t it?

[@DeusExAstra]

So basically CGC has not been doing the job that people were paying them for, and were handing out incorrect grades. Sounds like a class action lawsuit to me.

[@mikedamore4739]

I’m not a graded book hater but I don’t understand why people would submit to CGC after they flat out said the job they were paid to do the just didn’t do it. Anyone who sent them a book to grade that came back a 9.8 needs to question why cgc didn’t do the only thing they were paid to do and grade the book. I don’t care if they were inundated with submissions that doesn’t give you the right to sell people a service and not do that service. Other grading companies paused submissions or pushed back return times. CGC was just like we’ll just do a piss poor job no one will care because they like the look of our paper label more than other grading companies paper label

[@coppercloud2076]

Comic Tom is the female version of Nerdy Girl

[@timhartwick1986]

It's a scam to get us to send in our books.

[@thirtyacres7504]

100%

[@half_a_kman977]

Good video. Very interesting. Add this to the reasons why I prefer to fumble around with low-ish grade Golden Age books with historical significance.

[@oharris147]

What are the odds that cgc changes the l cert numbering system now that collectors have “cracked” the code. This may be too transparent for them.

[@AutomaticComics]

I was thinking the same thing. It’s very possible. Let’s not give them ideas lol

[@Shawn70Seven]

Yeah. I think they have to do this now….

[@mixelplik]

CGC was acquired by Blackstone in 2021. It's all a corporate shell game at this point. Every institution that relies upon the stock market needs to make money. How is CGC going to make money if they already rated all the books out there? Seems like a horrible business model since at some point the supply of Golden/Silver/Bronze Age books would (theoretically) dry up. Unless you are intentionally setting up a built-in fraudulent empire.

[@jeffstanley6013]

Fixed it. "Every institution needs to make money." Otherwise, they won't be in business for very long.

[@wazdakka1342]

It's way easier for a manager to say, "Out of this stack of pre-screened 9.8s choose one 10 and a few 9.9s." than it is to say, "Grade each of these books based on strict grading guidelines."

[@juselara02]

Believe when I tell you, If ComicConnect or Comic Link organized a 9.7s auction, CGC would make them appear tomorrow.

[@brute_nm]

Exactly right, hitting just one 9.9 pays for the whole racket. And pretty much the only people who have the cash flow to sink on 75 9.8s are dealers and auction houses. We're definitely going to see this on ASM 300 and all the other Copper keys with a ton of 9.8s.

[@eagleeyes6901]

Actually thankful for all this BS from CGC. Turns me off to collecting moderns and grading. I have really enjoyed turning my attention to Silver and Golden books. And yes this sounds like a class action lawsuit. Paraphrasing “… we have a grading scale that goes to 10 but we did not have the capacity to look for 9.9’s and 10’s. Your 9.8’s might be 9,9’s or 10’s. Resubmit and pay again…”. Sounds fraudulent.

[@michaeltan4204]

I completely agree with you. 9.9 and 10.0 were ignored and lumped in a 9.8 waste basket.

[@cocorain6549]

After numerous things going on with CGC in the past year, TO me they re no longer a reputable company anymore. I have simply lost faith in the whole comic book industry (sadly I have over 100K in the last 5 years invested in this). Going to try and sell everything I own very soon, getting out of the game before it collapses AGAIN!!

[@Thynqikan]

I am being turned off of CGC because this is just manufactured collectibles. Feels like the foil embossed or hologram covers of the 90's.

[@padbearj3154]

Looks like a clear case of company collusion and possible fraud to me. Definitely proves that the term " Independent 3rd party grading" is a lie. This should really stop people buying from the auction houses and sending stuff to cgc. It won't , but anyone that has bought one of those 9.9's should really be looking into whether they have/are been scammed by the auction houses selling these books.

[@sith.713lord]

CGC and money hungry people exploiting the hobby?

[@contamino7476]

I’m done with cgc and grading.. close your eyes just have the precious smelling book in your hands and go back to 1985

[@lukeorloki]

Market manipulation in a monopolized subjective manufactured high end grading market! Inconceivable!

[@jcp4162]

In the words of Resident Alien, this is some bullshit.

[@AutomaticComics]

Love that show

[@jeffstanley6013]

And then he opens his pre-screen and gets 25 9.8's and 0 9.9's or 10's: "Son of a bitch!" LOL Great show; only recently discovered it, and my wife and I love it!

[@kristopherjones8397]

This was known by the auction house about the 9.9 prescreen. That is why Wolverine Limited Series #1 has been on the hot 10 list for the last year. Comic link has been scooping them up for at least a year.

[@matrix_comix]

Ohhhh that’s diabolical

[@valthrudnir]

The prices are spiked right now due to the "Deadpool & Wolverine" movie for those specific books, so you are getting pop-culture cross overs targeting those specific characters which might help explain the dump of Wolverine #1, etc. just my opinion.

[@mantis20992003]

What's funny is that swagglehaus does a positive video of cgc everytime someone has something to say about cgc, is he now compromised?🤔

[@jayvalentine2046]

Graded comics is ruining the hobby

[@mightycomicsandcollectibles]

And yet people are still paying $800 for a 9.8 😂

[@donaldvonglitchenberger4108]

fools

[@edgarleon4688]

9.8 is the new 9.6 now🙁

[@snyperlite]

Just so shady that cgc gives these privileges to certain people to get multiple 9.9/10’s and the average Joe like me gets screwed over with zero after submitting numerous books I considered flawless the past 5 years

[@The9.9Newsstand]

Excellent excellent video!!

[@TheHobGoblin]

This whole slabbing books thing is such a crock.

[@Petemarie186]

I buy the book, not the grade. Playing the 9.9 game is way too risky.

[@holyharlot5222]

Must be nice to be a CGC VIP

[@murrayk.morrison9673]

I am a 9.6 collector

[@DeusExAstra]

The multiples from 9.8 to 9.9 are just insane. Why would someone pay that much?

[@chrisbooth478]

That was my thinking for 9.8's to 9.6's when I first started buying slabs!

[@DanSchawbel]

If you want this book buy a low grade raw to read or display. No point in buying a CGC one.

[@edduran2571]

Luckily I always though that Wolverine 1 cover looked mediocre and never had an interest to collect it

[@AutomaticComics]

I agree. I think issue 2 is far superior.

[@TheRealCobraBurnout]

Woh! Interesting. Awesome information. Thank you for explaining how to decipher the cgc cert #.

[@moonknight101]

A Fool and his Money

[@SuperBrown789]

Another Blockbuster Expose!!! Me thinks shenanigans are afoot Get your 🍿 ready

[@ScottLeethebarber]

I didn't watch this whole video so forgive me if you covered this, but I've sent many many many books to CGC since they first opened in 2001 and there's so many reasons why 9.9's and 10s are being seen now, but pressing and cleaning have a LOT to do with it. As far as a stack of books coming out as 9.9 who knows somebody may have found a giant collection of someone that took care of their books INSANELY and then sent them in. But that's just one of many examples I would LOVE to discuss with someone. I've tested CGC at my own cost for my own reasons and sent in several books after cracking them open to see if a different grade would come and they have yet to change that grade. (Except for signing events. Which I will NEVER ever do again) But they chalked that up to the Creator signing it potentially messing it up. Again, another thing I would LOVE to discuss with anybody that enjoys taking nerd stuff. I do hear a lot of people hating on CGC but without a grading company I would completely get out of comic books because according to every stupid collector I've ever done business with their comic books are 9.8 near mint and the same ones that are bitching about CGC's grading are the ones comparing their raw books to CGC's grading if you don't like CGC's grading don't use them it's that simple keep your raw book and tell everybody how wonderful it is and be happy about it. It gets under my skin.

[@ChienandKun]

Tell me something, at one point does pressing become an important part of this argument? You've got channels that are consistently able to press sometimes highly damaged copies, to 9.8's, and then submit them! No one cares, because they want to take their gamble in the pressing game too. Well, what if they can press a 9.6 to what looks like a 9.9? What then? Also, do not ignore that the owners of a major auction house were key players in the coin slabbing bubble in the 80's (see Karl Jobst's 'Fraud in the Video Game Grading Industry' video). The coin crash and ensuing lawsuits involved 'overvalued goods'...sound familiar? Especially if say, someone is grading something as perfect, when it has only been pressed to disguise its actual use and flaws.

[@punyhuman67]

Well that explains a lot. Checking the grade should not be arbitrary, a 1.0 or 10.0. I am paying for the book to be graded. Also, "what if" they are cracked, cleaned, sent back and "what if" the label is not sent back with it (so as not to look back at previous notes), now the census is skewed... just like cgc's grading scam.

[@kyleroussel]

It won't be long now before CGC decides to start making it harder, if not impossible for the average collector / detective to get this sort of information. They'll come up with some bs reasoning, like their new grading methods/standards require a change in how they deliver info, which will be a complete falsehood, but they'll do it. And we'll rant and rave about it, like every other "controversy" stemming from CGC. And it won't change anything. We'll just keep on sending them our books en masse...

[@TheMusicforeal]

I have 11 transformers comic books that graded CGC 10.0 each! but would you know where I can sell it? but they are not the same submission or the same title, different transformers comic book cover!

[@50TBRD]

I have all those bronze/copper age X-men books ungraded that are in really good condition that could grade 9.8 or better. There’s lots of raw books that could get 9.9s or 10 that haven’t even been graded.

[@BionicThiago123]

Seems like the old adage always applies unfortunately: power ($) corrupts 😢

[@culichi]

in 1982 when the wolverine mini series came out i was a relatively new collector i didnt bag and board my comics i just wanted to read them and maybe even build a full set of my favorite titles. of course building a full run of batman or detective was out of the question even then so anytime a new #1 comic came out id jump on it thinking a full run on that title was doable. that is what i thought of as collecting comic books. the wolverine mini series completely changed that definition for me when i saw people pre-ordering 10-20 issues and id heard rumours of some adults pre-ordering hundreds of issues (wolverine was relatively new and insanely popular). as soon as the books were delivered they were no longer available at cover price. i cant recall what the price on that first issue was a week after it came out but im gonna guess guess maybe $3-6. the funny part is that when people who had bought multiple copies came in with their duplicates to sell at a profit the store had zero interest in buying them at any price. its not shocking to me that someone had a couple of hundred of those books to send in for grading/slabbing i dont think there is any monkey business going on with cgc its just that there were a lot of speculators buying massive amounts of some books. i was very new to comic book shops at that time before that id buy my books at mainly at department stores, pharmacies or thrift stores so i cant say for sure but that wolverine mini series seems to me like the start of that kind of speculation. everyone knew that mini series was coming and they knew there would be a lot of demand for it. its not like just another generic comic book that contained the first appearance of someone who would later become a big deal not the sort of book anyone bought and stored away a few hundred issues of. ive been out of the comic book scene for over 20 years so im just mumbling out of my ass basicly hehe

[@jasonsalazar7126]

Like I thought it was one of the big companies that would end up getting all of these favorable grades and you know he gets it because he is comic connect. That's just garbage to really figure out that no normal person had done this it was somebody who gets a ton of money for books anyways and has a grip on the market. Very disappointing for the whole collecting community

[@jeffstanley6013]

For any copy of X-Force 2 to sell for >$100, let alone $4k, is utter insanity.

[@moisesvillar892]

Plot twist, is it all the same grader? or a couple of them? Probably not but makes you wonder.

[@michaelroot1960]

9.9 wolverines just in time for the movie. Some shady stuff going on.

[@kmo7909]

I think it's more likely this will bump 9.8 prices up as people scramble to buy them up to submit batches chasing the 9.9.

[@michaelstarr1285]

As long as there are fools who fall for over paying for a 9.9 they will create them.

[@DavidM.P]

Lol - so obvious. Comic Connect has been busy

[@stampscapes]

Doesn't surprise me too much. That was the most speculated book when I was collecting. A friend of my older brother (that collected) had 50 copies of it pulled by our LCS. I even bought 10 from lawn mowing money. lol. We were just teen kids so I'm sure there must have been a lot of older collectors picking up 100 copies+ of this issue.

[@TheSameoldjoe]

You should think hard before you lay the big bucks down.

[@grownassedgamergamer807]

Especially for graded books.

[@sirrickthe2nd583]

9.8 will be the new 9.6 eventually.

[@michaelstarr1285]

Comics are not rare.

[@pipedocrusso4371]

batman dark knight will be next

[@chi-tn]

Splitting hairs

[@darthrooster1]

Can we just talk about the four people that submitted a 2.0 copy for grading?

[@bujindork]

Probably books that have sentimental value and want them preserved.

[@MJComix]

Fantastic informative video Ryan, keep up the great work youre doing!

[@chrisbooth478]

What I've noticed since watching KZbin unboxing videos every you tuber was 💩 their pants when they got the 9.8 they didn't stop to ask hey maybe this is a 9.9 or 10 CGC noticed this and got lazy my example being the infamous ULTIMATE FALLOUT #4

[@joeymia]

I recently pressed one of those Wolverines #1, and the paper quality was pretty decent. I don't think ComicLink sent in 9.8 slabs. I bet they bought a collection from a collector who purchased many of those issues on day 1. The comics you were showing from the 90s all have crap paper quality. Especially the New Mutants #87. The paper from that era is just super thin.

[@poolne1500]

If I just had 70 Wolverine 1s come back as 9.8s, I would promptly crack them open, add 5 more high-grade Wolverine 1s and send three 25-book submissions right back to CGC. If grading by comparison worked once, it will work twice.

[@hellmouthpresents9007]

Ok I’m just going to assume these books have been graded before. The OS might have tried multiple times at submitting these books. The 9.9’s I can overlook. But the 10? It never hit a 9.9 at least? C’mon now. I may be wrong. Forgive me if I’m wrong. Not a CGC hater. I have hundreds of books graded by them.

[@tonyramos2162]

In 20 years they’ll say they didn’t check for 10s n gave those books 9.9s a perfect way to get a bunch of people to resubmit n pay em more $$ what a gimmick lol they probably planned this years ago when they began grading books good video n very informative

[@smithe6]

I've been saying this since the beginning. There are certain people who submit and are happy, and there are certain people who submit and are sad. Can folks start being honest with themselves about this whole grading industry?

[@jlcollectscomics]

Those Bronze and Cooper books are tough holds right now in 9.8 or 9.9. I think it’s clear there is a cheat code and CGC is looking harder for 9.9’s. I suspect that will encourage more of those to be submitted to see if you hit the 9.9 lottery. You also said it, just be aware. This is real money. The supply could be growing more than usual in key books soon chasing that 9.9.

[@grownassedgamergamer807]

I'm sitting on an Xmen raw 221 myself. Sitting on TWO raw X-force #2's

[@MetalBum]

The only one who will win here is CGC

[@AutomaticComics]

I think the person that got all those 9.9s is gonna win too lol

[@moisesvillar892]

It's good to surmise that from that era of books, late bronze to copper age, it supports it based on massive print runs on marquee books in mid 80s to mid 90s.

[@vinnyp3455]

I think a reasonable assumption is in time the market will put a premium on 9.9s that were assigned prior to 2024.

[@campbell1654]

So can you find out who is submitting that many copys to graded to try and get the 9.9 and 10s ?

[@sgauthier273]

All wolverine books and appearances are a dime a dozen Flood the market and this book will tank. Bronze to modern are never rare.

[@monkeyideas]

A lot of my friends bought multiple copies of this book when it first.

[@JJNM56]

There's a sucker born every minute.

[@gregahunt]

good detective work. seems like it’s comic connect

[@edowings2211]

I hate the fact that someone can sign a book and it is still a 9.9 it's not perfect anymore.

[@chrisbooth478]

Maybe that's why it didn't get a 10?

[@edowings2211]

@@chrisbooth478 could be. my opinion and just an opinion I don't think a book with writing on it even if it's a creator signature should even be a 9.8 unless they are going to allow color touch ink on the cover is ink, I know a lot of people don't agree with me.

[@reecesrarecomics5999]

Good videos man. Well done.

[@47comcom]

"Interesting" =/= good

[@lenkahle33]

I see smoke.... 🔥👀

[@DW3010]

So basically the trend is going to be resell/price wise, your 9.8 is now a 9.6, your 9.6 is now 9.4….and so on

[@gregk9710]

I think in 5 years, the 9.9 multiplier will change from x20 to x10

[@darthrooster1]

If you pay x20 for a book that was mass produced you are a fool. The amount of books that graded out 9.9 is a testament to how “rare” this book really is. Collectors were smart enough to bag and board issues by this point so they are not scarce at all.

[@gregk9710]

@darthrooster1 it's just supply and demand... most people in the world think spending a lot of money on any comic book would make you a fool...

[@lukeorloki]

9.9 is the Market MUTILATOR!!!! It's what People crave! IT'S GOT ELECTROLYTES!!!!!! 9.8 is for toilets!!!

[@Jfitzroy1]

CGC graded invisible comic books. Nuff said