Allan Park, Tom Lange and Kato Kaelin: Describing O.J. Simpson's Timeline on June 12, 1994.

[@shadysadie149]

Can’t believe it’s been 30 years today. I have followed this case from day one. RIP.. Nicole and Ron!💜

[@Romulan2469]

Definitely a long time although still feels like it was yesterday. I guess that’s because of the so many unanswered questions and lack of true justice in this case that always keeps it fresh.

[@Sheila-hw4us]

​@@Romulan2469no unanswered questions. He killed both of them

[@Romulan2469]

@@Sheila-hw4us You are closed minded. Of course he killed them but if you knew anything about this case you would know there are plenty of unanswered questions. Nothing is cut and dry.

[@daviddavis3389]

​@@Sheila-hw4ushello Sheila, I know that OJ does appear to be sort a guilty be keep an open and a fair and Objective mind ..so many people insist that he definitely committed 2 murders ....you could be mistaken you know.😮

[@daviddavis3389]

OJ was close to 46 years old at that time and was busted up from football and stuff at that old age...He was essentially worn out.

[@rosep3933]

RIP Nicole and Ron.

[@gailtaylor9154]

Wowwww 30 Years;! I was Home Braiding My 2 Daughters Hair; The Oldest Was 7 & My Youngest 6 ; I Can't Imagine What Those Children 's Went Through; Losing Their Mother; I Still To This Day o.j. ("The Clown ") Did It!!!! REST IN PARADISE RON & NICOLE 💐👑👑💔💕✨✨🌫️🌫️

[@Romulan2469]

If I haven't said this before I will say it again. Allan Park is such a stand up guy with integrity, intelligence, honesty and respectability. No bias whatsoever and his story, just like Kato and Jill, hasn't deviated at all over the years. It's kinda weird how all of their lives changed after June 12 1994, they got caught up in the media circus but came out on top decades later, and, they can now talk openly and freely about what happened. Great guys here, and obviously Tom Lange is a truly legendary cop. We got to have Tom Lange on again, he has so much more to tell.

[@Romulan2469]

@@Reel-Justice Wrong. Park never testified seeing Arnelle’s car. He couldn’t describe the car and he didn’t know Arnelle so your comment makes no sense.

[@Denbih]

Right, Allan park is probably the most credible witness. Jill Shively and Skip junis are absolutely not credible. Actually i don't believe a word they are saying. How does Skip Junis call the Cops on March 29th 1995? Thats almost 10 Months after the murders & a couple of Months into the highly televised Trial? Why did he wait so long? I heard him in another interview say, that he didn't call the cops bcs OJ wasn't viewed as a suspect until weeks later. Thats total BS, OJ was viewed as a possible suspect THE NEXT DAY all over the news. The guy tried to bounce and kill himself 4 days later in his Bronco. Makes no sense at all. Also the Prosecution didn't call him onto the witness stand, bcs the defense had 5 witnesses from LAX saying they saw OJ do absolutely nothing with those trash cans. I suspect they were probably paid to give those testimonies, but who knows. And Jill Shively, that womand changed her story so many times. First off, her timeline makes no sense, thats what Tom Lange is alluding to. Second, in one interview she says she called the cops immediatelly for DUI, in another interview she called the cops the next morning after the murders where all over the news, when in fact she called the cops on june 14th and spoke to vannatter on june 15th, when the car and its license plates where all over the news. Also i don't know who commits a double homicide and rushes through Brentwood in the middle of the night without his lights on, covered in blood from head to toe? Makes no sense... Lastly, according to the evidence OJ came out the Alley, not on Bundy, but who knows. Let's not forget that she sold her story to the media many times.

[@raineyj560]

Can do without Tom Lange, everyone else, fine

[@BenPat88]

@@lewisaveryfiler7087yea but she’s a typical California liberal with the stereotypical “woe is me/I’m always the victim” mentality…nonstop faux outrage, constantly “shocked” at how all the baddies behave and how dare they have the audacity to treat a poor “single mother” that way…I mean it’s not like she sold her story to a tabloid before testifying under oath, or anything 🙄 For that type tho she’s about as credible, honest and believable as they can be…for what that’s worth 😂

[@rroadmap]

​@@lewisaveryfiler7087Right! In one interview I saw, she said she called the next morning. But I read there isn't a record of her reporting it until several days later after the Bronco had been on the news with the license plate plainly showing. So I have my doubts about her story.

[@sheshe6166]

30 years ago I’m sitting on my bed holding my six month old daughter and watching this all on tv. I still can’t get enough of it!

[@audreyann1975]

I was pushing my 17 month old daughter in her stroller when I heard it come out of this guy's car radio on his driveway. I knew absolutely nothing about OJ at that time except Football, commercials and actor. I had no idea who his wife was or anything. By the time the day was over he was a suspect. My daughter is now 31 yrs old. She's an RN in the ER at our local hospital. Time literally flies by so fast. Thanks.

[@raineyj560]

​@@audreyann1975 My son was in a daycare and I rushed to get him & raced home to watch the Bronco chase. I recorded the trial everyday & after work once my son was settled down, I would watch till the wee hours (how I made it thru I don't know). My son is now 33 & works in Corporate America. Times surely flies. Bless your daughter, nurses are the best 🫶🏾

[@corrinafrench7709]

My daughter was 8 months old…I remember I had her in my arms when I turned on my radio on the Monday morning of the 13th…caught my attention then and still does . She will be 31 in November.

[@doc2746]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@smallmouthguy2264]

We watched the chase from our hotel room in Jamaica on our honeymoon, (yes we're still together lol)

[@gingermathews]

I liked Kato then and now …he has continued to be a good friend to Nicole by keeping her story alive and the importance of reporting on crime in general and domestic violence bullying and abuse

[@WT1wL]

He's a great guy neighbor of mine

[@MiMisTreasures]

Tom’s memory is like a steel trap - I love listening to him. And Kato, well, love me some Kato then and love me some Kato now! Thanks for this series. Rest in peace, Nicole and Ron.

[@daviddavis3389]

Kato lived Rent Free, can't be trusted!

[@jeanieruter7416]

@@daviddavis3389 He offered money to OJ for the rent, but OJ told him, "I don't need your money." If a millionaire offered you a place rent free, wouldn't you take the deal?

[@CBGRTR]

Tom Lang I straight up as they come he knww the law inside and out to.... aint no way that man was involved in any funny business framing OJ that was a joke !!!

[@ColleenD78]

Literally clicked this so fast I got whiplash 😂😂😂 These have all been fascinating posts with all the key players in the case. Thank you for this amazing channel!

[@TZScandal]

Thank you!

[@coredadventure1]

Yes!!!!

[@IC.1248]

No clue why - but I can't get enough of this haha 👍

[@ColleenD78]

Totally agreed 👍

[@TZScandal]

Thanks!

[@Romulan2469]

It's because it's an awesome show lol! Same here, can't get enough of the OJ saga! 😂

[@828FrankF]

its really sad right , I am in the same boat as you lolol !!! I was 7 years old in Hawaii at the time of the bronco chase. I remember my mother bringing us inside from the beach because we had to go sit in front of the TV and watch OJ's last run .

[@eagleeyes6629]

How he got away with this is crazy... only in America!

[@anniem.4204]

Don't know what it is about this case but I never tire of revisiting it....often. I'm blown away by all of the evidence I never heard about until THIS year! Evidence I've heard through THIS podcast! Thank you Tom and Kato for the deep dive 30 years on. Excellent content. 👍👍

[@Romulan2469]

It's because the OJ case has so many unanswered questions and we never got closure from the wrong verdict in the criminal trial. It will continue to be talked about for decades to come. Also with OJ's passing and never getting the truth on exactly what happened from him, it will forever be an open case.

[@Meng776]

​@@Romulan2469 Choose the single best piece of evidence from the trial and I'll give you reasonable doubt.

[@Romulan2469]

@@Meng776 Since it is subjective why would I bother to do that?

[@Meng776]

@@Romulan2469 Because You're calling him guilty like it's a fact. Either you don't know anything about the case..meaning you've only listened to one side.......or you will refuse to acknowledge the gigantic holes in the evidence. Any person with knowledge of the case will have to admit that there's no fair jury of 12 that would convict him

[@LenyxGoodale]

@@Meng776agreed, it’s what bothers me the most with ppl who follow and are hell bent on guilty forgetting 1 not guilty doesn’t mean a person didn’t do it and when we’re talking this case unpopular or not, technically and by the rules ANYONE on that jury HAS to vote not guilty!! I think he probably did it but i still say he’s not guilty. Tons and tons of doubt presented, probably more than the claims, Not guilty!

[@AlwaysClutch_]

Langes attention to detail many years later is unreal! What a professional.

[@Romulan2469]

Agreed. Lange has always been sharp and he had to be as part of the elite LAPD Robbery Homicide Special Section unit. Lange was a huge credit to the LAPD and he served his country with distinction in Vietnam. He's a living legend.

[@ccali327]

He actually talked about this on another interview/podcast. He made the point of writing everything down because later on, if there is an inconsistency, he has contemporaneous notes which can go a long way. It also helps one remember things clearly too. I like him a lot.

[@Romulan2469]

@@ccali327 He's what I call a stickler for details, I'm detailed oriented too so I can relate to the note keeping. It is important to keep detailed notes especially on a murder case. I remember during the OJ trial when Cochran was grilling him day after day, he quite often returned to his notes in those ring binders to double check the facts of the case. That's why I like Lange, he was thorough during his investigation. Did he make mistakes? Sure he did and I can count several, but, it doesn't change the fact that he and Vannatter did a great job under the circumstances they were under in a very high profile case and they got enough evidence on OJ for a conviction and a guilty verdict. It wasn't their fault that the whole trial and the verdict went south of the border.

[@Romulan2469]

He made some mistakes though. I like Lange a lot but I really can't get past that covering of Nicole's body with the blanket. That was a monumental blunder on Lange's part.

[@tamara6212]

​@@Romulan2469 Lange did the best he could considering the circumstances. He covered the bodies out of respect. The coroner has the ability to release/remove the bodies from a crime scene. He's a great detective.

[@Romulan2469]

Wow this a dynamite show Tom Z! Keep up the great work, your coverage of the OJ case is second to none!

[@TZScandal]

Thank you! 2 more this week

[@Romulan2469]

@@TZScandal That's awesome news! Thank you Tom Z!

[@Romulan2469]

@@TZScandal Hey Tom Z can you get an interview with a medical examiner like Dr Michael Baden or Dr Henry Lee on your show to discuss the autopsy findings and their impression on the type of knife or knives used on the victims? Also it would be good to corroborate their impressions on the type of knife used with the knife OJ bought from Allen Wattenburg (co-owner of Ross Cutlery) a few weeks before the murders which was a 15 inch single-edged stiletto knife. Also if you can get Mark Fuhrman on, perhaps you can ask him on the empty Swiss Army knife box he found at OJ's house and see if there is any link between that knife and the wounds on the victims. We could make some great progress here on the possible murder weapon. What do you think Tom Z?

[@coredadventure1]

Yea Tom you're good at this !

[@nealxl6256]

Al Cowlings has been out of the spotlight for all these years and has never done an interview on the OJ case. It would be epic if you could get an interview of him

[@raineyj560]

The best you get is his deposition which I am currently reading online. The special on Nicole that the sisters made they talk bout being upset w Al. I would love an interview w him as well, w OJ's death it will be the best time to do it but I think he will stay loyal.

[@Romulan2469]

That is something I have been wondering about as well. Al Cowlings silence speaks volumes, and you have to wonder (especially given his involvement in helping drive OJ to Nicole's grave and then back to Rockingham) if he was more involved in helping OJ than we already know. He had an alibi so I'm pretty sure he wasn't there that night, but I do think he was involved in helping OJ after the murders making him a potential accessory after the fact, along with Robert Kardashian. Now I could write a book on Robert Kardashian but all I will say is this, he was every bit as guilty as OJ for the murder of Nicole.

[@DAwad-go7zm]

I think he knows something. I have spent years studying this case...reading books, interviews, court testimony, etc. For a long time I really didn't think AC knew something. But I believe differently now and think he knows more. How he evaded any criminal charges still mystifies me.

[@Romulan2469]

@@DAwad-go7zm Yes I agree with you, AC knows a lot more. He has stayed completely out of the spotlight on this case which makes me believe he was involved in the crime somehow. The fact that he has maintained his silence after OJ's passing speaks volumes. I heard that AC was close to both OJ and Nicole but ultimately he was one of OJ's closest football pals so who knows what he would have done to keep OJ out of trouble.

[@nibsvkh]

@@Romulan2469 You make an accusation with no facts…why am I not surprised this from a Trump cultist? Robert is as responsible as OJ of Nicole’s murder? Really? I know…you agree with Alex Jones re:Sandy Hook was a hoax!

[@corrinafrench7709]

I hope you get a million views on this! Awesome effort on this infamous 30th anniversary!

[@Romulan2469]

Agreed and I hope so too! This channel needs way more coverage, these guys are giving us new material on the OJ case, something a lot of the news media and documentaries never reported on. Tom Z and Kato deserve a lot of credit for their work on this show! Love these guys!

[@amyamira99]

Kato/Allan/Tom/Jill so glad you did this... it still impacts my life.. weirdly

[@rosemarycortez5748]

WOW THIS IS FANTASTIC! Tom and Kato please keep this O.J. Saga podcast going!!!

[@MattyMatt80]

30 years?! Wow!! Never forget Nicole and Ron. I absolutely love the in depth descriptions on this entire moment of history on this channel!!

[@SaintNormRIP]

RIP Ron and Nicole. 30 years. Now I feel old.

[@Augfordpdoggie]

You gotta have Tom again by himself, and let us ask questions.

[@Romulan2469]

Yeah I agree that would be good to see. I especially want to get Tom Lange on again solo and to discuss his other serial killer cases.

[@cc-xv6bc]

I would LOVE that! To ask him questions.

[@eyeswideopen5517]

They have an in depth interview with Tom on their podcast now. Unless you are speaking of his other cases.

[@Piolin333]

Again Tom Lange has always been really professional and good at explaining stuff. I've said it before I would love to have him as a manager at work because he seems very rational and fair.

[@raineyj560]

Buy the book that he wrote 🤦🏿

[@Mike_H420]

Love this channel! Also love Kato and his integrity💕

[@ColleenD78]

Loveeee Kato... such a decent dude, never changed from then til now, just an honest good guy ❤

[@Romulan2469]

Kato is the man! I think his honesty, integrity and positivity shines through everything he does. Tom Z and Kato make a great team!

[@Romulan2469]

@@suzannek3493 Enough of what already? There's nothing wrong with sharing positive experiences here. If you want to be negative you can go somewhere else okay?

[@Kendrix1]

Tom Lange' s book "Evidence Dismissed" is excellent and I highly recommend it. You will learn a lot from it....

[@fauxgirl2197]

I am almost finished it . Great book.

[@raineyj560]

Read it!

[@Romulan2469]

I'm going to have to get that book. Does he mention anything about Fuhrman's notes and the supposed bloody fingerprint on the rear gate in that book?

[@josephconnor2310]

Read the book. Very good.

[@curtishartman3934]

Tom & Kato. Your show is AWESOME. I am proud to be a subscriber to your show. Keep up the good work. I LOVE THIS SHOW!!!

[@Kbear9762]

TMZ founder Harvey Levin who was then a reporter for KCBS in LA has a really interesting new video out about his 2 year coverage and the odd / creepy things he experienced during his coverage of the murders. His story just adds some interesting things that I’d never heard before.

[@josephconnor2310]

Thanks for the info

[@Romulan2469]

Hey Tom Z, I think we HAVE to get an interview with Kim and Fred Goldman and Denise Brown and her sisters on this show. It's the 30th anniversary and we gotta get the perspective from the families of the victims so their memories are never forgotten. Hope they want to appear because we would love to see them here.

[@TZScandal]

I will. Kim would have couldn't make this one. Thanks!

[@Romulan2469]

@@TZScandal At least you tried Tom Z! Hope you can get Kim on at some point in the future. Love the work you guys are doing. Thanks!

[@arkansawdave7984]

Especially since the murderer has since passed.

[@Romulan2469]

@@arkansawdave7984 That doesn’t make any difference in my book. OJ had put this case behind him decades before and the families couldn’t care less if he was alive or dead to speak about the anniversary of the deaths of the victims.

[@paulaharrisbaca4851]

I think hearing some of the jurors thoughts at the time and why the only piece of testimony they wanted was Alan Park's...

[@jokersblackbook1792]

Kato is so awesome, im glad i found this channel, hope he stays here!!!

[@76biggdogg]

This channel should have 100k Subscribers. Keep up the great work.

[@Romulan2469]

This was definitely one of your best shows Tom Z! I liked the panel show with multiple guests and rapid fire questions across the panel. I think the interactive shows really bring out the better content.

[@audreyann1975]

Tom Lange is one bad ass Homicide Detective.

[@Sweetie_PieLo]

I love this channel! My mom and I listened to your Tom Lange episode, he is a wealth of knowledge I’d like you to have a 3 hour discussion with him on all the big cases he’s been a part of. You and your team are outstanding

[@EmmaTimberlake-d9u]

I am absolutely hooked on yours guys’ podcasts about the OJ saga.

[@TZScandal]

Thank you! Next one is on Friday

[@nealxl6256]

Same here

[@stmn346]

It was the summer of 94’. Flew from Texas to my brother stationed at Camp Pendleton. He wanted me to move there and graduate high school. I didn’t. But he and his wife brought me down to LA. As we’re driving into town LA Woman came on the radio, it was surreal. We went to Rodèo drive and Beverly Hills. Then we went to Bundy. It was still taped off as it was a week after. Crowds of people and media. We went to Rockingham and that was taped off. Was a unique experience that summer of 94’. We ended it watching fireworks on Oceanside beach on July 4th.

[@TZScandal]

Great comment. Thank you.

[@cruiseboston638]

30 years I still find this fascinating. Love when they all put the true victims first. Much love to the Goldman & Brown families. I hope maybe Nicoles kids will find it freeing to someday speak about their mom. ❤

[@amberfelis3078]

Went to school with Allan Park! Great interview here. Thank you.

[@kristymaufroy2405]

RIP Nicole and Ron. Can’t believe it’s been 30 years ago … today. 😢

[@EAP-TCB]

Awesome show!Can’t believe it’s been 30 yrs already.R.I.P. Nichole and Ron.

[@nala3038]

30 yrs? Wow time flies!

[@Romulan2469]

It sure does! I am amazed by the amount of recall by all of these witnesses and especially Tom Lange who is very sharp at the age of 79.

[@christurner8255]

I was 13 at the time, and now I'm 43.

[@nala3038]

@@christurner8255 I was 31 and I’m now….well I’m sure you can figure out the number, lol.

[@shaunpilkington4625]

Like the rest have said I can’t believe this happened 30 years ago today.. I was 22.. rest in peace Ron and Nicole

[@Romulan2469]

@@christurner8255 Some weren't even born in 1994! 😂

[@sherineill6630]

This is amazing!!!

[@TZScandal]

Thank you. Two more this week...

[@sherineill6630]

Tom. I can’t wait! Thank you for bringing all these people together. Give all of them my regards.

[@Romulan2469]

I agree, I love this show, going to spread the word that Tom Zenner Scandal is the place to be! I really want to see the Goldman and Brown families on at some point (if they agree to it and Tom can get them on) as well as interviews with Marcia Clark, Chris Darden and Mark Fuhrman.

[@scruffydelilah1186]

Allan Park is the GOAT of limousine driving. Change my mind.

[@mattdaniel598]

He would have made a lot of money if he opened his own Limo service after this.

[@VelveteenRabbitinRedFern]

Kato, you are Awesome in more ways than one!

[@TheRealEarthquakeJake]

My dad was a cop for LAPD for 34 years and for many years he was close friends with Mark Fuhrman. In fact, my dad was briefly quoted (talking positively about Fuhrman's character) in an LA Times article and Mark Fuhrman's book about the OJ Simpson case. I have some familiarity with the case and inner workings of the LAPD that many may not have. That said, I'll preface what I want to say regarding Tom Lange with some of my understanding of Robbery Homicide Division (RHD) detectives. RHD detectives are supposed to be the cream of the crop, so to speak. They typically handle high profile cases and cases involving celebrities anywhere within the city limits of Los Angeles, which is why Lange and Vannatter were called to take over for Fuhrman and Roberts, who were homicide detectives from West LA division. For Lange to have the career he had, he obviously demonstrated a superior level of proficiency and intelligence needed to work his way up to being an RHD detective. That said, Lange and Vannatter interviewed Simpson and, in the opinion of many people, they failed to commit Simpson to a firm timeline of events. My understanding is Lange and Vannatter's inability to commit Simpson to a firm timeline is why Marcia Clark decided to not use any portion of the interview during Simpson's trial. There were other issues with Lange and Vannatter's handling of their investigation, one of which was related to Lange's handling of evidence. Maybe it wouldn't have made a difference had they handled it in such a way that would've not opened them up to the amount of criticism he and Vannatter have received . I'm not looking to have you guys beat Lange up, because I'm genuinely interested in what Mr. Lange would say today about the Simpson interview and why it wasn't used. I don't mean any disrespect to Mr. Lange. I respect him and what he was able to accomplish during his career. He's earned the right to hold his head high.

[@kylekitzmiller1616]

I have waited so long to hear from Allan Park. So thankful he decided to share his story. I have read and watched so much on this case and could talk this case with the best of them. Love this series

[@raineyj560]

They did a separate interview w him.

[@davidfigueroa6351]

Tom and Brian You guys are awesome 🎉 Excellent work worthy of this saga 30 years on.

[@rogerbeck3560]

Fantastic with all star guests . Loving this episode with all the point of views. Can't wait for the next one. Remembering Nicole and Ron 🎗

[@Romulan2469]

I love listening to Tom Lange talk about the OJ case, so much detail and recollection here. I have a few questions for Tom Lange that I think still need answering: When did he read Mark Fuhrman's notes and what exactly did he read in Fuhrman's notes about the blood on the backgate? Did Fuhrman write it was a fingerprint or a smudge? What steps did he take to preserve that potential fingerprint or smudge evidence? Did he discuss Fuhrman's notes with Fuhrman to get a better insight? Why did ALL of the LAPD officers (Lange, Vannatter, Philips and Fuhrman) decide to go to OJ's house to make that notification and handle the collection of his kids which in essence was abandoning any detective from investigating the Bundy crime scene? Who made that call and why didn't someone object in order to avoid a delay in processing the Bundy crime scene? Why didn't Lange see the empty Swiss Army knife box that Fuhrman reported seeing at Rockingham? Why does Lange say that all the evidence is exculpatory when there are some clues about a potential second suspect (2nd car in OJ's driveway that Park saw, the lack of defensive wounds on OJ, the white hispanic male seen by Tom Lang (eyewitness) glowering as Nicole spoke to a man in a white SUV (not a Bronco) at 10 pm June 12th, the "Charlie" character in the If I Did It book, Henry Lee indicating the possibility that different knives were used, potential additional shoeprint impressions unaccounted for at Bundy etc)?

[@Neesie75]

@@Reel-Justicenot like reel justice does.

[@Romulan2469]

@@Reel-Justice I would like to see an opportunity for us to ask some questions for the guests. Tom Z is doing a great job here, so perhaps this will come in the future.

[@Romulan2469]

@@Reel-Justice What is your source on Kato knowing it was Arnelle’s car?

[@Romulan2469]

@@Reel-Justice I still don’t see any evidence. You are just speculating and you haven’t convinced me it was Arnelle’s car. She said that she was out until after 12 that night so are you saying Arnelle is a liar or were you unaware of that testimony? Also Kato was more concerned with the thumps on his wall thinking it was an earthquake yet you somehow expect him to take note of another car in the driveway in the dark?

[@Romulan2469]

@@Reel-Justice He must be doing something right as look at all the different guests he has gotten to appear on this show. Tom Z is doing a phenomenal job!

[@LM-qs6eq]

I was so mesmerized by Kato's recap of his experience of the night. At the time of the trial Kato seemed like a real flake. Now we get the real picture of his life and it is so different from the impression he made while witnessing at the time of the trial. I admire Kato you Kato. Your story hasn't changed.

[@mro234]

So great to hear from allan park again after 30 years. Always wondered what happened to him after the trail

[@sandyb5393]

That is my wedding anniversary - I remember being at our pool with then my young children - we had a portable tv and everyone at the pool was watching this unfold. Being my anniversary I’ll never forget this horrible 😢day

[@narellecox2028]

Allan Park is a steadfast, honest, humble and dignified man. Tom Lange, what a great guy. RIP Ron and Nicole. x

[@cwc8979]

Tom, you did a Great job Hosting this episode and I really enjoyed seeing all the guests again 👍

[@johnmilner6484]

Always remember the victims....Nichole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman

[@teetoo3790]

Outstanding episode. Brought back memories good and bad.

[@audreyann1975]

It's 1:19 on East Coast right now June 13th. So it's 10:19 on West Coast right now. So it's exactly 30 years since the murders. Fred Goldman is still with us. He's probably in his 80s now and missing his son. It's hard to believe that it's been 30 yrs ago already. It's incredible. I remember when it hit the news. I heard about it while I was in Florida.

[@audreyann1975]

​​@@Reel-Justice No the murders didn't occur at 9:59 pm and I didn't say they happened at 10:19. I was giving the time on my clock. I deliberately waited to watch this video until the time the murders took place or within the time frame. And I'm pretty close. Ron Goldman was just leaving Mezaluna around 9:50. He went home before going to Nicole's.

[@bradparker9664]

Absolutely phenomenal episode, and I've been watch most of your content of late. Great to see this panel type format.

[@mollynixon2144]

Tom Lange reminds me of my late Father. He was a career cop. Worked his way through the ranks to Chief here in Texas. Great job Guys and Jill! Kato, that picture in the background……classic. 😃

[@bridgetbreitzmann4721]

Thank you to all on this panel. Excellent presentation. To Nicole and Ron

[@michaelmurphy7692]

This case should have been tried in Santa Monica.

[@sandykay2311]

Critical factor….

[@Romulan2469]

You can blame Gil Garcetti for that screw up. It was the single most monumental screw up that cost the victims families true justice. Garcetti needs to get on this show and explain himself. I am more mad with him than I am with Marcia.

[@eriksmith2514]

"This case should have been tried in Santa Monica." Perhaps. But a conviction would have been spun into another racial issue and the prosecution accused of avoiding a black jury, etc., etc.

[@Romulan2469]

@@eriksmith2514 Nobody would have cared about the accusations. Getting a balanced jury of equal numbers of each race would have nullified that problem.

[@eriksmith2514]

@@Romulan2469 "Getting a balanced jury of equal numbers of each race would have nullified that problem." How do you do that? You can't strike potential jurors because of race. Much less get a balance in Santa Monica.

[@richardw3052]

This is a fantastic presentation. I've watched most of your interviews so have heard most of this info before, but this compilation of so many witnesses all together has historical importance. Great job to all

[@foreveryours7464]

I believe everything Kato says because he has never deviated from his story from day one. His story and witnessing everything have remained in all of his interviews.

[@Linda-pw8gx]

I just love these interviewees

[@Justicia007]

Integrity. Every single one of them is a truly decent person.

[@WHOWHATWHENWHERE]

God Bless Nicole and Ron. Thank you for sharing this with us.

[@LiamCollopy-r2i]

Outstanding show Tom and Kato! Stellar episodes, guests, questions, and dialogue. Thank you for this great program.

[@sherrie4262]

I am so glad Alan Park was brave enough to mention that lots of people still make a living off the brutal murders of Ron and Nicole ! The whole group went silent when he said it on this show. They prosper writing books, doing podcasts and interviews etc. . Poor Nicole was emotionally and physically abused for years . and no matter how you justify talking about it ... the ugly truth is still lurking in all those photos of Nicole's face when she was scared and covered in cuts and bruises.

[@lancevelez1721]

Prosecution blew a case with so much evidence. Their incompetence is shocking.

[@biology101info]

When your LAPD detective Fuhrman get on the stand and pleads the fifty as to where he planted evidence you have lost your case. Lange is lying about not crediting LAPD with the not guilty verdict. The jury had a clear path of doubt with this revelation.

[@PopuluxeApocalypse]

This is AWESOMMME!

[@Romulan2469]

I bet sparks are gonna fly if Mark Fuhrman, Tom Lange, Marcia Clark and Alan Dershowitz ever appeared together in a panel interview on your show Tom Z lol! Still, I would love to see that happen! 😅

[@nala3038]

Me too

[@Whenwefight49]

Agree... Dershowitchz acts as if he believes OJ is innocent until this very day. The evidence circumstancial and physical overwhelmingly proved his guilt

[@Romulan2469]

@@Whenwefight49 Dershowitz is just boosting his own ego at this point by repeating the same lies he has always told about this case. He can't backtrack and say I got it wrong otherwise it ruins his reputation. Everyone with an ounce of common sense knew that OJ was guilty. You would have to be retarded to see it differently, unless you're an attorney trying to make a buck and a name for himself like Dershowitz.

[@mattdaniel598]

Dershowitz needs to admit OJ was guilty. Or if the other lawyer that Travolta played needs to come out and say what really happened.. since OJ is dead.

[@raineyj560]

​@@mattdaniel598Shapiro

[@ryanman9138]

Try and get them all in studio and more Tom Lange he has so many stories about this

[@daviddavis3389]

The studio is way too smaLL...besides, why murder someone that you love? OJ was nearly 50 and pretty much crippled from his football career...impossible.

[@GlitzyBuckle191]

​@@daviddavis3389 Beating someone black and blue isn't love. Explain to me how his blood got at the crime scene when they didn't even have his blood because he was in Chicago. And by the time they did have his blood, the media was already at the crime scene, and not a single camera caught anybody planting anything, otherwise you'd have seen it in court. Also, in the interview with Tom Lange and Philip Vannatter, OJ said he cut himself on the night of the murders before he left for Chicago and said that any dripped blood was his. But he couldn't explain how he even cut himself. He only said he reopened the cut in Chicago by breaking a glass. Moving over to Alan and Kato's testimony Why were the lights at Rockingham off when Alan Park arrived? Why couldn't Alan get an answer from the intercom for quite some time? Why is it that Alan sees the dark figure coming across the driveway AFTER Kato hears the 3 loud thumps? We know this because Alan saw Kato and the whole reason Kato comes outside is so that he can investigate what caused the noise. These points are only the tip of the iceberg. If you can't see his guilt, then you have serious issues.

[@GlitzyBuckle191]

@@daviddavis3389 OJ beat her, that isn't love. Explain to me how his blood got at the crime scene when they didn't even have his blood because he was in Chicago. And by the time they did have his blood, the media was already at the crime scene, and not a single camera caught anybody planting anything, otherwise you'd have seen it in court. Also, in the interview with Tom Lange and Philip Vannatter, OJ said he cut himself on the night of the murders before he left for Chicago and said that any dripped blood was his. But he couldn't explain how he even cut himself. He only said he reopened the cut in Chicago by breaking a glass. Moving over to Alan and Kato's testimony Why were the lights at Rockingham off when Alan Park arrived? Why couldn't Alan get an answer from the intercom for quite some time? Why is it that Alan sees the dark figure coming across the driveway AFTER Kato hears the 3 loud thumps? We know this because Alan saw Kato and the whole reason Kato comes outside is so that he can investigate what caused the noise. These points are only the tip of the iceberg. If you can't see his guilt, then you have serious issues.

[@lapulapupintado2892]

@@daviddavis3389 OJ was 46 when he did it🔪🩸🩸 how did a size 12 Bruno Magli shoe👞print end up in Nicole's property? you supposed Tom Lang broke into OJ's home and stole his Bruno Magli shoe👞 and put a shoe print in the crime scene😂

[@rifleman522]

Tom Zenner…PLEASE include the fact that O.J. tried on a brand new pair of those exact gloves a week or so after the infamous glove demonstration fiasco and they fit perfectly! You need to make this point known. No one ever mentions it!!

[@DWatson-lp2sr]

They didnt fit perfectly still way to tight

[@DWatson-lp2sr]

@@lewisaveryfiler7087 it is true except they still didn't

[@CornbreadOracle]

RIP Ron & Nicole

[@ColleenD78]

Damn straight. Those are the 2 ppl that truly matter in all this and it's wonderful to see how much they were loved ❤

[@Romulan2469]

Agreed may they both rest in peace and their memories never be forgotten. I'm hoping Tom Z can get an interview with the Brown's and Goldman families to talk about their memories of Nicole and Ron. I know the Brown family recently were on a documentary about the OJ case following OJ's passing and now we're on the 30th anniversary of their deaths it would be great to get their insights as well.

[@JafarWade1970]

I don’t understand why Kato continues to say he wasn’t there during the 93 911 call. He got there long before the police you can hear Nicole on the phone call says he’s screaming at my roommate about me.

[@andricorayford]

Wow

[@Justicia007]

She never said that. And Kato had no reason to lie about that. Absolutely none.

[@Denbih]

@@Justicia007 She literally said in the phone call "the guy thats living here with me just showed up & OJ is talking to him", The 911 call is on youtube, go listen to it

[@Justicia007]

@@Denbih No. The transcript says as follows; " DISPATCHER: Are you the only one in there with him? NICOLE: Right now, yeah. DISPATCHER: And he's talking to you? NICOLE: Yeah, and he's also talking to my, the guy who lives out back is just standing there. He just came home." You get your facts straight.

[@Justicia007]

She did refer to him as her roommate at one point in the call also. So what? Obviously they didn't live together. He lived in a little shack on the property. Do you think either of them would have been suicidal enough to get involved with one another? All of this is irrelevant and just a diversion to try to come up with some crazy OJ's innocent theory.

[@chriskurtz8744]

I read Lange's book, Evidence Dismissed last year and reading it again. The book talks about how the detectives asked for the blood on Nicole's back to be processed but the coroner didn't and washed her body without doing that. Did they wash her hair too? Did they ever consider testing the blood in her hair? The belief is he came back and grabbed her hair to pull her head up and cut her throat after finishing Goldman. At this time he would use left hand to pull hair that was bleeding and glove was off. His blood would of been in her hair if he did.

[@Cupcakeprosup]

Boom ! Yes. Your right!!!

[@Romulan2469]

Those are all good questions. I'm guessing that the genius coroner who decided to wash her body was Dr Irwin Golden, the same guy who was so bad in the preliminary hearing that the prosecution had to replace him with another doctor to go through the autopsy reports. He probably washed her hair too.

[@coredadventure1]

Omg this is exciting !!! Thank you !!!

[@andricorayford]

I want to know more about Nicole last moments at the recital, the restaurant, ben and jerrys and when she got home. I also want more on the parent who came over Nicole's that night around 9 to pick up his daughter. I think it was Ron Fishman

[@mattkralj2502]

It wasnt ron fischman. It was someone else i forgot the name.

[@andricorayford]

@mattkralj2502 did he ever do a deposition? I always wondered did he see anything off. Was Nicole acting different in anyway.

[@Justicia007]

RIP Ron and Nicole. Marcia Clark should be ashamed of herself for bullying a witness like that. One of the most chilling things about the case is one of the most banal. When Kato talks about how OJ casually starts chatting with him and realizes he's trying to get him to change his recollection of events that night, I remember I got a chill up my back. Kato was smart and got the heck out of there immediately. Alan was smart also, to leave the area and avoid the pressure of the press. All of these guests are personified by one word: integrity. Really excellent podcast!

[@Romulan2469]

Any chance of getting Mark Fuhrman for your next show Tom Z?

[@nala3038]

Can’t wait for that!

[@Eastvanucks]

Yah so hecan admitt he planted the glove..oh wait he pleas the 5th.​@nala3038

[@davidjames5448]

​@@Eastvanucks And you are defending a murderer. Very nice 🧒

[@markmac2206]

@@Eastvanucks at least 12 officers that didnt even know Fuhrman said there was 1 glove at Bundy only. cant plant a glove that isnt there bud.

[@January.]

Much respect for Detective Tom Lange.

[@mimiz7937]

How come there was never a 911 call released of whoever found Nicole and Ron at her condo?

[@Hobbitma]

Great show…can’t wait for more!

[@peterdvideos]

How come the news media buried most of these stunning facts???

[@angelitacole4515]

The media did not bury the marcia clark and darden did not use the evidence

[@raineyj560]

Maybe they didn't know. I had no idea Allan sued OJ's lawyers & won.

[@Bright_Broccoli]

@@raineyj560 what? Why?

[@tls4312]

I watched the entire trial, so to hear the timelines and witnesses was incredible. I always said OJ would pay for this crime, and he did in Vegas!! Great interview!

[@BernalAutoStyle]

Kato does a lot of telling Allan Parks “what he saw right?”

[@raineyj560]

Lol

[@AlwaysClutch_]

This podcast series is fascinating and well done! 👏 👏

[@KeizeShow]

Great host. Great lineup. I wonder if it would’ve made a difference to have had these 2 extra witnesses in the trial.

[@TZScandal]

Thank you! Watch for the next episode on Friday. Great guest..

[@eriksmith2514]

Nothing outside a confession would have made a difference.

[@persus5756]

​@@suzannek3493He ALWAYS talks crap!

[@TheSKT946]

The Trial Of The Century for sure, I remember it well. Seeing all the parties involved with the trial together at the same time after 30 years was incredible to see.

[@StoicStud]

I was a 14 Yr old kiddo when this happened and I never forgot nicole and Ron now that the monster is in hell may they rest easy🥺💖

[@MidnightSiren-kt2il]

the way allan park describes him trying to call the house constantly due to him being on a tight schedule and out of nowhere a mysterious figure dressed in black goes from the garage through kato's guest house to the front door... only moments later oj simpson picks up the phone saying " sorry i overslept ill be down in a second " . hearing that I never felt such chills down my spine ever before, thats some freaky horror story right there.

[@gametimegallery7661]

It's interesting that OJ wanted to go to a McDonald's that was further away when there was a McDonald's two blocks from Bundy and much closer to OJ's house (and Nicole's condo). OJ may have originally wanted to go to the one near Bundy so he could check up on Nicole, however, Kato going along may have thrown a wrench into that plan and he then decided to go to the further McDonald's. There's also a theory out there that OJ saw Marcus Allen's car at Nicole's earlier and wanted to go back to confront Marcus and Nicole. Again, Kato may have inadvertently thrown a wrench into that plan, so OJ would have gone to Bundy later than he originally wanted.

[@Denbih]

Well i believe they actually did go by Nicoles house, thats why they took the route to the other Mcdonalds, Kato just never told that. Probably OJ saw something at Nicoles house and returned later after dropping Kato off. That was always my theory. I also kinda felt its odd that Kato told 2 people on the phone that he went to mcdonalds with OJ... i mean the guy lived with OJ for 6 months, shouldnt be that news worthy to his friends..

[@TammyM36]

I definitely think there’s truth to that. I definitely think OJ was planning on at least doing a drive by at that time. Kato threw a monkey wrench by inviting himself to go along to McDonald’s

[@Romulan2469]

Tom Lange is awesome! We need to have him back over many shows, he's just got so much information to tell and he has so many other cases to talk about as well, not just the OJ case. Let's bring him back again soon Tom Z!

[@coredadventure1]

Harvey Levin from TMZ would be super interesting to have on ....he knows alot!!!!!

[@AussieAngel826]

My 12 year old self at the time knew what was up. Those 911 calls said it all. RIP Nicole & Ron 💐💛💐💛

[@kylephelan14]

Yes!

[@MsAutie]

Kato was so mischaracterized by the press all those years ago. What a great, genuine, kind and thoughtful guy he is.

[@mainerescobar1793]

I love this show! RIP OJ

[@rebelwithacause3574]

New subscriber, happy I found the show.

[@marykirkpatrick9382]

The host needs to get his facts straight. He loses credibility with inaccurate information. The guests were great. Kudos to Mr. Kaelin for correcting the host.

[@Brand33777]

The host scored 57 touchdowns in two years of college football 🏈

[@donaldsp360]

i love how intricate their stories have become over time

[@MarilynFromTarotClarity]

We were glued to the TV. Kato is 100%, life happens so quickly, it's scary.

[@FortunateXpat]

I watched the entire televised trial. He was guilty without a doubt.

[@Romulan2469]

No question about it! I think the bias of the jury unfortunately let the Goldman and Brown families down. The OJ case was the biggest miscarriage of justice in the 20th century.

[@RANDY4410]

Kato was a true gentleman throughout the whole trial he was very patient with Marcia Clark and very truthful to her and she was asking all these ridiculous step-by-step questions that would drive anybody crazy, I have a lot of respect for Kato he was so cool throughout the trial and also was very funny at times.

[@michellemarchiano9878]

Id like to see the 5 typed pages the detective has of what wasnt brought into trial.

[@karlrohrbaugh4708]

I really enjoy your guy's podcast.I've been following this case. I've read several books and you' all shows are very enlightening; Although, it's a deep tragedy.Thank you for your productions.And I enjoy watching them

[@colemartin9077]

The POS couldnt even confess on his death bed to give closure even though we know he did it. Shows what kind of person he was. Well done yall.