Allan Savory at Polyface Farm - We are losing the war and how that must change

[@shaneswing2016]

Hundreds of thousands of Americans embrace this message and have started homesteading and gardening, but we fly under the radar. Keep the faith. We hear you, even though nobody sees us.

[@Nphen]

Yes. I have a quarter acre suburban lot which hosts over 22 trees. With plenty of space for more garden beds. Many songbirds & bugs on the property. I want to go talk to local farmers, there are fields within 2 miles in 3 directions, but I don't know how. I want some kind of national "people's back to the land movement" to connect farms to potential workers and folks who want to get into farming. Farmers who want to retire could find someone who wants to take care of the land.

[@flybyav8tor]

Because of these men my families goal this year is to feed 100 people in our community. 1st generation farmer here.

[@smugmonkey6147]

That's a beautiful goal, I'm also a first gen farmer, 21, just started three months ago.

[@GregWatt]

Must be incredible to sit and talk to those two legends.

[@Regrarians]

Indeed Greg, I have been very blessed to meet and spend a lot of time with people who will be remembered for a very long time. All the best for the year ahead, Darren J. Doherty @Regrarians

[@Marilou-g5t]

​@@Regrarians Regen Ag needs a media leader like Charlie Kirk of Turning Point USA.

[@magnuseriksson5547]

Three legends...

[@balipan09]

Not all heroes wear a cape, but they do seem to all wear blue jeans 😁❤️❤️ amazing video

[@Regrarians]

Haha @balipan09, My current favourites are black denim RM Williams jeans (made in Australia) :)

[@PrismaticFarm]

I’m trying to do my part. Got 15 acres I’m working on regenerating. It’ll be a lifetime project as funds are limited.

[@hailus7714]

Good luck, you are doing the right thing.

[@rodjack2737]

Not as small as Allen thinks. We're gaining ground and the tipping point is near. Press on!

[@Regrarians]

Thanks @@rodjack2737, It was 2014 when we recorded this and hopefully 2025 will be the year when the collaboration between orgs and other leading players will be greater than it has been before

[@rodjack2737]

@@Regrarians I seen that, thought they looked young. lol Same thing going on in beekeeping. Chem and treatment is the rule but slowly treatment free keepers are gaining ground. It's generational reformation.

[@fernandonerva7754]

​@@Regrariansblessed by yours wised vision that costumers will decide, based on nutricional data, from Brazil, Vet since 1983.

[@reddmetaltiger]

Hi Allan, Joel and Darren, thank you for addressing this and bringing this pertinent issue to the fore. I have had to email my Local Member of Parliament, here in Fremantle, Western Australia because this needs to be addressed. I will bring up the Holistic Policy Management to Josh Wilson in discussion in relation to the disaster risk prevention and mitigation in terms of integrative agricultural management for here in Western Australia, along with all the related holistic issues (some of), in terms of water, fire and land.

[@courtneyheron1561]

So grateful for this conversation! Wish I could be in this space with all these great people! You have me thinking about what I can do. Thank you!

[@allonesame6467]

If you are not at the table, you are on the menu.

[@okiebabykennels]

We have a half acre weve been working on for 2 years. About to expand into a couple neighboring acres this year. 😊

[@glenpryce]

Great stuff guys. Thank you for leading the way😊

[@1voluntaryist]

Costco has started offering "grass-fed" burger patties and sausage. I was pleasantly surprised and told them I am shopping there more, looking for grass-fed dairy, eggs.

[@terrypemberton9922]

Friends talk about how healthy I am and I don’t get sick because I eat right but yet they don’t change their ways so I don’t know if it ever change but I’ve been raising my own food for years

[@gjsmimi4474]

But, you are "planting seeds" with your friends every time you have those conversations! That is great! They are paying attention.

[@lynnwright3143]

I have my volume on as loud as it goes and I can't hear you.

[@Blue1Sapphire]

I don't think they have personnel microphones on them.

[@jakebredthauer5100]

Not fair to give microphones only to the young.

[@barbaraforgoodness]

This is brilliant. You really do show the way forward in this conversation. One zinger for me is the idea that when you are problem-solving, you’ve shrunk your context so much, it’s virtually impossible to think of the whole of the impacts of whatever you do. Maybe the word “context” will become a mind-opening lever for all of us. Allan’s favorite word “holistic” I think is still out in the future - after the shift.

[@JKFARMSTORE]

I visited Polyface in August 2022. Haven’t had McDonald’s since then. Took a small step but stuck with it. Follow all 3 of you! Pursuing my own small farm trying to do what Joel is doing. But I have more desire to do more. Would love to find a supplemental career along side the farm to make even more of an impact. Are you aware of anything in the regenerative agriculture rhelm? I have tried nrcs but our area is way under funded.

[@giffordshoneyfarm8626]

I must say I got Allen's message right at the end of this video. After Joel talked about the movable waters apposed to the stationary waters. Allen said that it was self serving for the farmer to go to the government but if the consumer would go to the government on the farmers behalf then things would get done. People need governance we are not all self starters.

[@messerattachments]

Interesting ❤

[@610Alpha]

Thanks for sharing this!

[@MarginalFarming]

Video is over 10 years old.. still talking today about the same topic.. what will it be in another 10 years..?

[@ebradley2306]

Health. Convince people their quality of life will improve, their children’s lives will improve, their healthcare costs will go down and they will seek out your food. Everyone looks around today and all they see is the failure of our food system. Everyone. Band together and finance a buy local campaign. Take an ad out at the Superbowl. Maybe not this year but if thousands of farmers collectively finance an ad it will reach millions. What is needed, as you say, is a change in mindset.

[@adamgrowseden]

Saw this video years ago...and have been working on the challenges outlined in this video for the past 8 years. Luckily, the tide is changing....though a lack of cooperation, education, and investments into Regenerative Agriculture are still area to improve. Luckily, tapping into Infrastructure Financing, we can create bio-regions, get them "shovel-ready", then roll out a path to decentralization & back to natural foods.

[@RichM-ij8vr]

Such low audio! Could hardly hear.

[@Regrarians]

Thanks@@RichM-ij8vr, As I mentioned in the description, this was not planned and so we did the best we could with the shot microphone rather than having remote lapel mikes fitted or a boom.

[@Regrarians]

Thanks@@RichM-ij8vr, As I mentioned in the description, this was not planned and so we did the best we could with the shot microphone rather than having remote lapel mikes fitted or a boom.

[@RichM-ij8vr]

@Regrarians Thanks. I put on earbuds and that helped. Got a bit better as video went on. Great content. Given these times of strong beliefs and little action, the watchword should become, "It doesn't matter what you think; it matters what you do!"

[@danielmaclean8932]

Excellent

[@pattreacy5178]

Great discussion from Great minds and change makers. The urgency in Alan's tone and commitment to the problem solving is really apparent. I noticed after watching, that this conversation happened over 10 years ago, While there has been fabulous individuals pushing the regen ag boulder up the hill ( a movement I'm fully on board with) I feel that 10 years on we haven't seen the policy changes he spoke about unfortunately! Would love to hear his and others opinions on the state of play here in 2025

[@pattreacy5178]

That said, Great work,and thanks for your commitment to the cause and keep up the great work, hopefully we'll reach a point where "ecological farming" is just simply called "farming" and chemical farming is called just that! Btw, if a supermarket has a "health food section " what are they selling in the rest of the store??

[@HippocratesGarden]

at about the 50min mark, talking about policies that meet he 'holistic" benchmark. Reminds me of working in I.T. in international companies, as well as working as a hospice nurse, were we had weekly change meetings (I.T.) or team meetings (Hospice), everyone who could possibly be impacted by a change or treatment decision, was invited to the meeting. In I.T. it might be: email, web hosting, security, server support, monitoring, sales, helpdesk... In Hospice it was: Nursing, Chaplin, PCA's, Physician, Dietary, PT, OT, Volunteers.. As Alan said at the beginning, unless everyone is at the table, looking at how any change or policy can have an impact from their specific perspective, it's impossible.

[@AchimDrescher]

I think the answer to the one thing is profit. Soil is degrading and yields are reducing. This means that chemical agriculture will need more and more inputs. Regenerative agriculture might have an initial cost but the inputs will reduce which will increase the profit. Showcase the success of the regenerative pioneers and many will start to listen. Money talks.

[@gregoryrogers3613]

Inspiring barnyard forum

[@HippocratesGarden]

If "Holistic" is visualized as cyclical, then when someone asks "where do I start", the answer can be "anywhere". For if it truly is a circle, there is not beginning point or ending point, so where you begin is actually irrelevant. When a tire is on the road, does it really matter which exact block of rubber is contacting the tar for movement to begin?

[@juliemckenzie2148]

Very interested in this topic but the volume is too low!

[@Regrarians]

Thanks Julie, As I mentioned in the description, this was not planned and so we did the best we could with the shot microphone rather than having remote lapel mikes fitted or a boom.

[@1voluntaryist]

Anything that increased "estate value" increases assessed tax burden. I am 82, improved my properties without permission/permit for 20 years and evaded increased taxation (theft).

[@paulr5246]

I’m not sure about global warming, but the idea that policy is the answer is correct. Especially among conservatives which many farmers are, and those who promote older more wholistic systems generally embrace on some level, we need to understand the efficacy of altruistic authority systems, the rule of law, the time honored concept of governorship and invest in that, rather than running to mere market solutions.

[@gardengrama]

23:21 look how long it's taking to get the produce section of the supermarket to be more organic/clean. Regenerative farming? Small farmers are getting on board and selling personally to people who want clean foods but the government is trying to stop that anyway they can. We need to become Amish. The government doesn't bother them.

[@perspectiveiseverything1694]

Gov't has absolutely been bothering the Amish. They were pushed so far that they finally decided to vote in the last presidential election.

[@GlenisBalderrama]

Trying to get started in Ireland, virtually impossible to get access to land.

[@Regrarians]

Sorry to hear that Glenis, What about leasing?

[@thewildlayman]

Much of policy in the USA over the last 100+ years has been directly influenced by investors, corporate giants, and big money. The common person has actually had little influence unless they were in alignment with Wall Street and the like. I don't think those in power are going to hand over the reins to regenerative agriculture without putting up a fight or trying to monetize the process. Regenerative ag is by its nature decentralized. In light of this, how do we approach the subject of policy?

[@Marilou-g5t]

You said it well! I realized ag went woke after I saw on a Steve Kenyon talk a graph of farm incomes vs big ag incomes AND a fertilizer sales cartoon on 100,000 Beating Hearts about Will Harris' dad choosing to use chem nitrogen back when ww2 was over. I grew up on my family's dairy farm, which went CAFO in 2004/5 and sold herd in 2022. I saw the milk "coop's" big CEO's getting huge paychecks when the farmers were going into debt.

[@lauriaktahi]

the Dept of AG is a private, for profit Corporation, owned by blackrock, subcontracted to our also incorporated fed govt. just like Every other dept or agency. until we undo That fraud, we cant win

[@GlenisBalderrama]

Need to get on to podcasts like Joe Rogan etc, that's the way forward.

[@Regrarians]

Thanks Glenis, Joel has been on Joe Rogan's podcast twice and Will Harris once. John Kempf has also been on the RFK Jnr. podcast along with Nicole Shanahan's

[@glenpryce]

Who's the Aussie at the table. He raised a lot of good points also

[@Regrarians]

Thanks Glen, That's me, Darren J. Doherty of Regrarians. We work closely with the Savory Institute and Polyface Farm along with thousands of land managers all over the world. www.Regrarians.org

[@jmhamilton87]

Im afraid there has to be some REAL suffering before agriculture changes. Human beings en masse are reactive and not proactive. The inertia of the current model can’t be turned. It has to collapse/crash and burn before people look around to the people who are out there providing the example of what to do. I’m afraid collapse and rebuild is going to happen rather than reform. I hope I’m wrong, but the last few decades seem to reinforce my thinking.

[@joaovox]

Explain this question: "How to "holistically manage the marketing of holistic management to policy makers"?" In other words, "how to holistically manage the engagement of politics and politicians so that policy making and politicians adopt holistic management"? (Ask chat gpt...)

[@HippocratesGarden]

one possible point of pressure, is to put some focus on producing food measured in nutrients per unit, rather than weight or size. It's one thing that rarely if ever is routinely actually measured. I'm not talking about the label on processed food, or the "average" data from industrial produced veg, but something like when we deliver grain to the elevator, they pull a sample before the truck is dumped, test for moisture and "trash", then weigh the load, but there is absolutely no measurement of, and premium paid, for nutrient density. (basically the definition of "commodity"). "Food" implies nutrition. Shouldn't that be at least measured? And those practices that increase nutrition per unit of plant or animal, also improves the health of the soil, and environment.

[@kathrynjohnson9892]

Since the plandemic there has been a huge shift in consciousness and awareness in the huge corruption of the corporate entities that does not have the interests of the people at heart. The question I have is......could the consumer's daily choices effect change. I have seen through social media that one person can make a difference. Is that an angle to push? THAT ONE PERSON CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. With their neighbours, their kids, their school, their community, their local industry. To make conscious decisions. Every day This is not a rest time.

[@enderwhitekey7238]

Savory points out that institutions (broadly) block paradigm shifting change. Joel misunderstands this and narrowly targets "governments" as being poor innovators. Savory's point targets governments, churches, corporations, universities, schools, HOAs, nation states, the law itself. While Joel uses the point to advance his narrow ideological priors.

[@FSSsystem]

How do we get around the fact all Big Ag-pharma-etc... is sponsoring the policy makers ?

[@Regrarians]

Indeed @FSSsystem, The only way I can think of is to not support them and to legislate to remove all possibility of corporate capture. USA President Dwight D. Eisenhower's farewell address (January 17, 1961) which is best known for its warnings of the 'military industrial complex' has other warnings too in this regard; "...we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite..." (full address here: cli.re/DDE-Finale) All the best, Darren J. Doherty @Regrarians

[@kurtandlazanneilander724]

Is Joel now "at the table", with his appointment to the new administration? (I guess that may be a little rhetorical at the moment. I guess we'll see how this shakes out.)

[@pattreacy5178]

Don't think that "appointment " happened unfortunately , him or Massy. Too bad as their voices of sanity in the halls of power would have been refreshing

[@Regrarians]

Indeed Kurt, I'm not sure yet who is at that table and the coming weeks and months will give us a better idea-let alone if RFK Jnr is appointed or if President Trump needs to use his recess appointment powers (and would he in this case).

[@davesipsy7587]

This movement is NOT as meager as Mr. Savory respresents; at least not in the US. I'm a grass-fed beef producer on 80 acres of leased, farmed-out ground in Alabama. I started at age 58, with zero prior experience in ranching or farming. I'm following regerative grazing practices and use absolutely no synthetic fertilizer, hormones, herbicides, pesticides or antibiotics. And there are many, many more, just like me, all around the country... We just aren't so visible to the outside world

[@perspectiveiseverything1694]

Thank you!🙌

[@pattreacy5178]

Well done, keep going. You and your customers are making the difference

[@kathrynjohnson9892]

Vaccinating livestock?

[@courtneyheron1561]

Hope Joel can get good movement through his connection to President Trump!

[@wilspencer1689]

I doubt it

[@manueldie2123]

I do too

[@DavidHickenbottom]

David won thst fight.

[@Gerry-c9m]

This is the military, industrial, complex. Good luck trying to stop it.

[@Regrarians]

Thanks@@Gerry-c9m, A lot has happened over the last 10 years and I agree that wherever there is a dominant order and orthodoxy in place they will tolerate 10% market penetration but after that they will either make it their own (which we are seeing a bit of), they will appropriate it (which we are also seeing), or we’ll see over time sufficient consumer choices change such that there is no choice.

[@younggary7849]

we need lord jesus Christ

[@sandymaholik5506]

You need to connect with Elon to put some noise out in the ether.

[@m-nnoholly]

Elon wants to go to mars. Does not give sh.. for this earth. He has that much money and can't help some poor.

[@terusanzues6571]

You (we) need to go politics or tell the politicians about this issue. Telling people about it is too slow and we need to save the planet and society ASAP, while politician who has power have policy which can control people at large scale.