Allegre fair catch kick, Colts-Patriots, 1984

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Raul Allegre attempts a 61-yard fair catch kick after the Colts fair catch a short Patriots kickoff. November 18, 1984.
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@OddOstrich
@OddOstrich 7 жыл бұрын
Man this is clean. No commercials, just football and anticipation. I like it.
@casheasy
@casheasy 9 жыл бұрын
Wow Credit Charlie Jones knowing this rule. Most announcers would not have called it BEFORE the team attempted. Heck, they wouldn't even know the rule period. Great clip here!
@quentin3330
@quentin3330 7 жыл бұрын
KING KRUSH may he RIP....Charlie Jones was such a great commentator. Right you are, he was on the ball with this play. Very smooth.
@ram29jackson
@ram29jackson 6 жыл бұрын
because its scripted
@mikeburkholder9153
@mikeburkholder9153 6 жыл бұрын
He says in the clip, he's seen it twice before. Both were missed.
@justafanintexas7913
@justafanintexas7913 5 жыл бұрын
The Bears under Jim Dooley did this three times and made all three back in the late 60's or early 70's.
@WaltGekko
@WaltGekko 5 жыл бұрын
Madden noted this rule many times near the end of the half, usually when there's a punt. Only actually saw it go through live once.
@argerm57
@argerm57 4 жыл бұрын
Wonderful hearing the voice of Charlie Jones again. Also, heads-up play by the player making the fair catch. It's funny that none of the players knew what to do. The coaches may or may not have known what to do. That's kind of funny, considering that most coaches think they know how to officiate better than the officials. It's also interesting that the Colts chose Allegre to take the kick, rather than Biasucci, because he had the better leg. Very few modern-day kickers would have any problem with that distance. Sick!
@daboys1215
@daboys1215 4 жыл бұрын
1984 = The first season of the Colts in Indianapolis. Charlie Jones and Bob Griese on the call. RIP Charlie Jones.
@pronkb000
@pronkb000 10 жыл бұрын
I love and miss Charlie Jones as an announcer. Great job by him, he was on top of this as soon as the hand was in the air.
@chrisjamesr77
@chrisjamesr77 9 жыл бұрын
+pronkb000 Yeah, that's what I thought watching this, the second it happened, he knew what the situation was!
@dallasbrubaker6054
@dallasbrubaker6054 6 жыл бұрын
He had a great voice no doubt
@thomasackerly7732
@thomasackerly7732 5 жыл бұрын
He was great annoucer was that Bob Gresie to with him
@mikepetitti
@mikepetitti 3 жыл бұрын
He was so excited about this when he saw the fair catch. Kudos to him because he was right on this seldom used play.
@chrisjamesr77
@chrisjamesr77 9 жыл бұрын
The announcer knew the situation better than anyone else! lol
@honorguard88
@honorguard88 8 жыл бұрын
+chrisjamesr77 Back when people knew football... unlike Phil Simms...
@Ariamaluum
@Ariamaluum 8 жыл бұрын
+Greg Reissland Jones was an AFL announcer which had their rules differ from NFL.
@EssexAggiegrad2011
@EssexAggiegrad2011 7 жыл бұрын
Phil Simms was a QB
@TheDeJureTour
@TheDeJureTour 6 жыл бұрын
@@honorguard88 Joe Buck... The worst, ever.
@ccchhhrrriiisss100
@ccchhhrrriiisss100 5 жыл бұрын
Joe Buck would be like, "...and I think that they're going to try some sort of kick here. Troy?"
@quentin3330
@quentin3330 7 жыл бұрын
The late great Charlie Jones was right on the ball...Great commentary! RIP Charlie....My favourite football commentator...Well him and Keith Jackson.
@Greg-ys2gy
@Greg-ys2gy 5 жыл бұрын
Whoooooa Nelly
@davidmanzi4491
@davidmanzi4491 6 жыл бұрын
Most amazing thing is that Ken Sims was actually on the field.
@desnutz901
@desnutz901 5 жыл бұрын
Those Patriots uniforms were my favorite back in the day
@Zoomer30
@Zoomer30 8 жыл бұрын
Ranks up there with the "1 point safety" for rare.
@andrew7taylor
@andrew7taylor 8 жыл бұрын
That's even more rare. For a fair-catch kick you need less than 30 seconds left either a, in the half when the opponent kicks off or punts, or b, in the game if score is within 3. You also need the distance of course, but it's got reasonable chance. Four times since 2005. For a one point safety, you need the defense care enough to block the xp, someone make an effort to make the block, then someone dumb enough to touch the ball and run it back into their own endzone even though if they didn't touch it it would be play over, dead ball. That's only happened twice in the history of college football.
@grovergarver3104
@grovergarver3104 7 жыл бұрын
Just to be clear, this free kick attempt does NOT have to be in the last 30 seconds. As a practical matter, you'd likely only attempt this very late in a half, but you do have the option of trying it whenever you make a fair catch or are awarded a fair catch.
@andrew7taylor
@andrew7taylor 7 жыл бұрын
Grover Garver Of course it does not have to be in the last 30 seconds by rule, but it doesn't make any sense any other way. You'd run a play from scrimmage otherwise, wouldn't you?
@rogerjrusa
@rogerjrusa 7 жыл бұрын
Zoomer30 how does a 1-point safety happen? Let me guess: PAT is blocked, player attempts to run it out of end zone, runs back into end zone, is tackled?
@grovergarver3104
@grovergarver3104 7 жыл бұрын
A safety on a PAT is no different than a safety on any other play. A team must be responsible for the ball going into it's own endzone and then be either be tackled there, have the ball go out of bounds there, or fall on the ball there. The only difference between a safety on a PAT and a safety on a regular play, is that a safety on a PAT is worth 1 point.
@AEMoreira81
@AEMoreira81 7 жыл бұрын
The impressive part is that Charlie Jones knew the rule right away.
@bobscott2429
@bobscott2429 9 жыл бұрын
At the 5:59 mark, check out the Patriots' Kenneth Sims (#77) coming over to pat Allegre on the backside. Sims and Allegre were teammates with the University of Texas Longhorns; Sims, a senior in 1981, Allegre in 1982.
@DWProductions87
@DWProductions87 8 жыл бұрын
+Bob Scott Haha, I was wondering if there was a reason! thanks for the info
@AlwaysNerdyTV
@AlwaysNerdyTV 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for that little piece of history
@HunterHonda
@HunterHonda 6 жыл бұрын
That's awesome! 🤘
@tycobb8974
@tycobb8974 5 жыл бұрын
That was great. Thx for that info.
@BigfootAnon
@BigfootAnon 5 жыл бұрын
Bg hero
@Stever99999
@Stever99999 8 жыл бұрын
Schlicter was laying odds on the sideline whether he'd make it.
@matthewmcpeek7324
@matthewmcpeek7324 6 жыл бұрын
Stever99999 and he lost. Then vomited
@gojenson
@gojenson 6 жыл бұрын
Deep cut.
@guyhenrich3817
@guyhenrich3817 5 жыл бұрын
Stever99999 Brutal 😂😂
@aspenrebel
@aspenrebel 5 жыл бұрын
Making bets if he'd still be in prison in 2019.
@sugarbear8574
@sugarbear8574 5 жыл бұрын
Stever99999 Yep😂
@clevelandcbi
@clevelandcbi 5 жыл бұрын
Of course he had the "Leg." It's literally in his name.
@markschlesinger
@markschlesinger 7 жыл бұрын
Charlie Jones (announcer) knew the rule, nobody else had a clue.
@justafanintexas7913
@justafanintexas7913 5 жыл бұрын
Because he had called two in his career, both made by the Bears under Coach Jim Dooley.
@jeffgreen3376
@jeffgreen3376 8 жыл бұрын
That has to be up there with the strangest plays n NFL history.
@jamesgray7064
@jamesgray7064 7 жыл бұрын
old school rule...drop kick is another
@lightyagami3492
@lightyagami3492 7 жыл бұрын
James Gray it's actually still in the rulebook to this day in the NFL
@Rowgue51
@Rowgue51 7 жыл бұрын
Not really a strange play. The only thing strange was how clueless all the players were about the rules of a game they've literally made the focus of their entire lives.
@naverilllang
@naverilllang 6 жыл бұрын
It is indeed incredibly rare. The last successful one was made in the 60s, with the most recent one was failed by the 49ers in 2015. Only about 1 in 4 are made, and the require very particular circumstances to be viable. (End of half, no time to run the ball, and within a reasonable distance. In second half, only done when down by 3 or less points)
@Mostlyharmless1985
@Mostlyharmless1985 6 жыл бұрын
It's one of those obscure rules that no one ever thinks of, just like being able to drop kick the ball anywhere in the field to score 3 points, yes, exactly like rugby. Just like how no one knows that it IS possible to score 1 point in the game. If a situation occurs that would be declared a safety in normal play during an extra point attempt, then the team that made the safety gets one point. That means, in some insane chance, that a extra point can be blocked, run back by the defense nearly 80 yards away, fumbled, and touched by the kicking team as it leaves out the back, making a 1-6 score possible. More likely, but still improbable would be a two point attempt that gets intercepted, brought out of the endzone, then forced back into the endzone would award 1 point to the kicking team.
@checkoutthebigbrainonbrad7668
@checkoutthebigbrainonbrad7668 8 жыл бұрын
As a Raiders fan, we might've actually competed the previous 12 years prior to this season if we just let Janikowski nail these all day!
@Mostlyharmless1985
@Mostlyharmless1985 6 жыл бұрын
You can do it off of punts, too. So, you could call fair catch off of a safety free kick, or even from a regular punt.
@jessebruno1702
@jessebruno1702 4 жыл бұрын
Raiders will always SUCK. Just sayin
@locutus1126
@locutus1126 6 жыл бұрын
Charlie Jones has a great play by play voice
@davidebasinger2997
@davidebasinger2997 5 жыл бұрын
#47 of the Patriots (Dombroski) is my Uncle! So cool seeing him in video.
@davidebasinger2997
@davidebasinger2997 4 жыл бұрын
He’s not dead....
@katherinegaughan45
@katherinegaughan45 4 жыл бұрын
First name??
@davidebasinger2997
@davidebasinger2997 4 жыл бұрын
Who’s name Katherine?
@davidebasinger2997
@davidebasinger2997 4 жыл бұрын
His name is Paul Dombroski
@dlawndartw
@dlawndartw 7 жыл бұрын
Who called the 10 minute timeout I missed that one
@TheMrPeteChannel
@TheMrPeteChannel 5 жыл бұрын
The rule book did!
@ryandwyer4940
@ryandwyer4940 8 жыл бұрын
i wonder if the crowd had any idea what was happening
@maligner5772
@maligner5772 8 жыл бұрын
Unlikely. I started going to the games in 1987 and the crowd then didn't know much at all about football. A couple that sat in front of me used to read the Sunday paper during the game. It was sad really. Lots of people came almost as a social event, arriving late and leaving early. It all started changing in the 1990's. Also, I never knew this rule existed.
@UDumFck
@UDumFck 8 жыл бұрын
Not sure what city you are referring, but it sure as hell wasn't Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Cleveland or Dallas. Has to be an expansion city.
@badlandskid
@badlandskid 7 жыл бұрын
youtube name The crowd was already waiting in line for a piss.
@lakebay972
@lakebay972 7 жыл бұрын
It was Indianapolis, which was a relocation city (from Baltimore) in 1984.
@tjadams9889
@tjadams9889 6 жыл бұрын
Ryan Dwyer digging that profile pic... I have that bliss wallpaper on my newest windows touch screen computer lol
@reedrothchild4013
@reedrothchild4013 9 жыл бұрын
I love the Colts' gray pants with the horseshoe icon and player number on the hip! Very 80s.
@postman3343
@postman3343 6 жыл бұрын
I thought those were man purses on the side; funny
@rolfewardner8330
@rolfewardner8330 5 жыл бұрын
H
@willhopson1277
@willhopson1277 5 жыл бұрын
I’m very impressed with the announcer
@jeffgreen3376
@jeffgreen3376 8 жыл бұрын
This is the reason that kickers bounce the ball on the ground first, on onside kicks. If they just kick it straight up, the receiving team could call a fair catch and get a free kick from where they fielded it. Most pooch kicks also hit the ground first, before they are fielded, to avoid the free kick rule.
@Cubroncs03
@Cubroncs03 8 жыл бұрын
Except that essentially no kickers actually bounce the ball before kicking it in any situation anymore.
@17hchase
@17hchase 8 жыл бұрын
They don't bounce it before kicking it. They kick it into the ground so it bounces up.
@jeffgreen3376
@jeffgreen3376 7 жыл бұрын
That's what I meant, 17hchase.
@naverilllang
@naverilllang 6 жыл бұрын
Yup.
@Craig2760
@Craig2760 4 жыл бұрын
Longest 3 seconds in the history of the known universe.
@arcade85_
@arcade85_ 4 жыл бұрын
Einstein was right: fair catch on a kickoff distorts spacetime.
@RJ67.
@RJ67. 5 жыл бұрын
3:16 "The Patriots don't know what to do," Said no NFL announcer from 1999 -2019
@katherinegaughan45
@katherinegaughan45 4 жыл бұрын
@Tony Wilkins Would you like some cheese with that whine, Tony?
@GuyTVUSA
@GuyTVUSA 7 жыл бұрын
Charlie Jones on the call. A great play-by-play announcer.
@sugarbear8574
@sugarbear8574 5 жыл бұрын
Charlie Jones was an excellent sports broadcaster and showed his knowledge base. Frank Kush an excellent college coach at ASU put that program on the map.
@randallbanks1589
@randallbanks1589 7 жыл бұрын
This was the Colts first season in Indianapolis after their snowy midnight move from Baltimore.
@derrickgoodman8434
@derrickgoodman8434 5 жыл бұрын
Yes fuck Irsay drunk ass bitch.
@davidlafleche1142
@davidlafleche1142 5 жыл бұрын
Irsay had to do it. The state of Maryland was threatening to steal the Colts by eminent domain, so Irsay made a mad dash for Indiana.
@rockvilleraven
@rockvilleraven 5 жыл бұрын
The Colts legal council told him, you have to leave ASAP.
@KingAlanI
@KingAlanI 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for not spoiling the result. I am interested in this quirk of the NFL* rulebook, but hadn't watched a play by play of it. I knew fair catches were allowed on kickoffs, but figured that would only happen with an onside kick, with fair catch kicks being relatively likely on punts (really backed up and/or short punt) *it's not in NCAA rules, though is in high school rules
@jaykinard4222
@jaykinard4222 5 жыл бұрын
Who's here after watching the Panthers-bucks game?
@arangomie8868
@arangomie8868 5 жыл бұрын
Oh, me. Never seen that in my Life. Very cool.
@joelshack85
@joelshack85 5 жыл бұрын
😂😂
@ryanedwards4512
@ryanedwards4512 4 жыл бұрын
I'm a couple of weeks before.
@phillipbuechner6853
@phillipbuechner6853 8 жыл бұрын
At the end they mentioned Colts quarterback Art Schlichter. I don't remember a single statistic of his football career, but I do remember him getting in trouble for some kind of involvement in gambling.
@cravingspopcorn
@cravingspopcorn 6 жыл бұрын
The music at the end was Erotic City by Prince. Interesting choice by NBC. 6:55
@area.man.
@area.man. 4 жыл бұрын
Haha thought that's what I heard.
@Oetti
@Oetti 6 жыл бұрын
Was there no play clock back then? Sorry if the question has already been posed.
@k_lewis29
@k_lewis29 8 жыл бұрын
I did this in 7th grade and they still tackled me after I fair caught it
@willfischer4031
@willfischer4031 7 жыл бұрын
Was it like recess football or were you on a team?
@k_lewis29
@k_lewis29 7 жыл бұрын
Jim Jimothy I was on a team. A real tackle football game
@naverilllang
@naverilllang 6 жыл бұрын
This reeks of yellow laundry.
@mtphill71
@mtphill71 4 жыл бұрын
Rare footage of the Patriots BEFORE all their asterisks. Unbelievable!
@MartianMann51
@MartianMann51 4 жыл бұрын
With their better uniforms too. I miss those days when the Colts were in the AFC East.
@FordFalcon1962nBlue
@FordFalcon1962nBlue 7 жыл бұрын
little did they know, that in 20 years...a rivalry would start
@MartianMann51
@MartianMann51 4 жыл бұрын
They were division rivals in those days. The AFC East
@trevscott93
@trevscott93 6 жыл бұрын
Rugby rules in football. You've got to love it.
@henzolo
@henzolo 8 жыл бұрын
if there was a couple of more seconds left, where would the ball be spotted after that play? Touchback 20 or spotted from the missed field goal attempt?
@mustang6172
@mustang6172 8 жыл бұрын
Spot of the kick.
@mustang6172
@mustang6172 8 жыл бұрын
***** There is no scrimmage line.
@grovergarver3104
@grovergarver3104 7 жыл бұрын
In the NFL, If the receiving team does NOT touch the kick, it goes back to the line of scrimmage. If the receiving team does touch it, it becomes a live ball and it's next put in play wherever the play ends. In high school ball, if the kick misses, it is EXACTLY the same as a kickoff. In college ball, this play is not allowed.
@Mostlyharmless1985
@Mostlyharmless1985 6 жыл бұрын
It's a live ball that can be advanced by either team. In this situation, the ball is placed at the 20 due to a touchback.
@Mostlyharmless1985
@Mostlyharmless1985 6 жыл бұрын
+Grover Garver There. Is. No. Scrimmage. Line. It. Is. A. Free. Kick.
@willmack5909
@willmack5909 4 жыл бұрын
So weird to think the Indianapolis Colts have been called that now longer than the Baltimore Colts.
@skittlefartz681
@skittlefartz681 8 жыл бұрын
what's up with the colts always doing some stupid play formation against the patriots?
@drServitis
@drServitis 7 жыл бұрын
Cause the Patriots always deflate the footballs.
@Triton63
@Triton63 7 жыл бұрын
drServitis You're asshurt is showing.
@arniexanchez
@arniexanchez 7 жыл бұрын
drServitis oh doctor, please explain how deflating a ball would help the patriots.
@drServitis
@drServitis 7 жыл бұрын
You'll need to ask Tom Brady that question, not me.
@Triton63
@Triton63 7 жыл бұрын
That's a flat out lie. Your asshurt is showing...hahaha.
@USMC-bj8hd
@USMC-bj8hd 5 жыл бұрын
I remember watching that game that day. I was 16. I had never seen that situation before. I don’t think I’ve seen it happen since then.
@sundarpichai940
@sundarpichai940 8 жыл бұрын
What is there no play clock here? I've seen delay of game penalties on kickoffs so what took this so long?
@chrism7574
@chrism7574 8 жыл бұрын
Michael I think the referees were just being lenient because they didn't know the rule all too well either.
@randydesoto
@randydesoto 8 жыл бұрын
Yup - the play clock does not begin until the ref signals the ball ready for play. The time spent sorting out the rule would not count.
@sundarpichai940
@sundarpichai940 8 жыл бұрын
Cylinder It's too bad because that made for an extremely painful video to watch.
@ViralTuber
@ViralTuber 5 жыл бұрын
'84 was an awesome moment in time.
@jaywunder13242
@jaywunder13242 8 жыл бұрын
Kind of a strange rule. I wonder why the rule makers came up with that one.
@Guy_de_Loimbard
@Guy_de_Loimbard 8 жыл бұрын
It's a leftover remnant from when there was a lot more kicking in football. So is the name "football" for that matter.
@goodmaro
@goodmaro 8 жыл бұрын
It's actually one of the oldest surviving rules in football. It stems from a time when you were allowed to catch the ball ONLY from a kick. Even an early version of soccer had it. Australian football elaborated it into a major feature, and allows it even from a teammate's kick.
@evildaemo
@evildaemo 8 жыл бұрын
ugh, never compare american football to australian football. they have no relation whatsoever. thats like comparing lacrosse to tennis. dont.
@WeAreSoBackBros
@WeAreSoBackBros 7 жыл бұрын
evildaemo but in this case it's similar soooo
@evildaemo
@evildaemo 7 жыл бұрын
yeah, they both kick a ball. big deal. australian football evolved from an aboriginal game called marngrook. and its such a bad sport. theyve almost phased out tackling. pansies. im australian and ill say it. you insult yourself and the other sport when you compare anything to australian football.
@john-boy4283
@john-boy4283 5 жыл бұрын
That was a first for me! Loved Charlie Jones' comments here, he was one of my favorite announcers
@okrajoe
@okrajoe 8 жыл бұрын
Rare play from 84.
@salvadorealiberto
@salvadorealiberto 11 ай бұрын
Charlie Jones the best announcer of his time. Amazing energy, great voice, affable presence. The best.
@stankfanger1366
@stankfanger1366 7 жыл бұрын
6:46 - Best. Combover. Ever.
@carlosgarza9132
@carlosgarza9132 7 жыл бұрын
Young Frankenstein What combover?
@quentin3330
@quentin3330 7 жыл бұрын
Lmfao...damn! He needed that GLH hair spray for that bald spot. I shave my bald head.....I still see guys with combovers in 2017. SMH.
@brianhammer8968
@brianhammer8968 6 жыл бұрын
Followed up by a sick mullet
@moncorp1
@moncorp1 6 жыл бұрын
+Quentin 33 ~ but they're so natural and fool everyone!
@windridr66
@windridr66 6 жыл бұрын
@Young Frankenstein hahahahahaha Right on
@shane030716
@shane030716 8 жыл бұрын
I'm a football newbie and I have a few questions. 1. @1:21 Is it just a failed onside kick from the red team? 2. After making the fair catch, does the team have to "call" a fair catch kick, like telling the referee that they are doing this? We know that the defense team needs to be 10 yards back when there is a fair catch kick. What happens if the defense team is 10 yards back, and then the kicking team decides to not kick it (like to run it maybe)
@whaduzitmatr
@whaduzitmatr 8 жыл бұрын
+shane030716 they have to verbally tell the official they are doing the free kick and they are not allowed to run or pass on the free kick play. I assume if they try to do so it would be a penalty
@Mostlyharmless1985
@Mostlyharmless1985 6 жыл бұрын
1. It was a pooch kick, and it is the exact reason why squib kicks are kicked to the ground and not into the air. 2. After the fair catch, the fair catch kick may be requested. The kicking team must kick the ball, either a drop kick, or a place kick. You can't advance a free kick. It would likely be a 10 yard illegal procedure penalty.
@MajicLaMa
@MajicLaMa 8 жыл бұрын
5:45 you're welcome
@MrChrisdube
@MrChrisdube 5 жыл бұрын
As a Pats fsn, I was glad he missed it back then. Watching it years later, I wish he made after going through all that confusion.
@philtartaglione2721
@philtartaglione2721 4 жыл бұрын
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@mark224
@mark224 8 жыл бұрын
Why wouldn't you take a running start!?
@DevSolar
@DevSolar 8 жыл бұрын
Timing. He's training to kick the ball between the uprights after those few steps day in, day out. Kickoffs, with the running start, don't require that kind of precision, and thus are usually not practiced that way. He went with what he was comfortable with. If he'd taken the running start and missed, the question would be the other way around...
@mark224
@mark224 8 жыл бұрын
DevSolar If your options are: accurate but no chance at being long enough or long enough but a greater chance of going too far left or right you'd pick the former?
@DevSolar
@DevSolar 8 жыл бұрын
mark224 That is not what I wanted to say. He's supposed to kick the ball between the uprights. That's what he's practiced thousands of times using that *exact* procedure, which *might* give the necessary range anyway. He *could* instead try to kick the ball between the uprights with a running start, which *might* give him more range, but is something he most likely *never* practiced before. He went for the conservative option, and is now blamed for it. Had he taken the running start and missed, he'd have been blamed for *not* taking the conservative option.
@2AForever-wi8yj
@2AForever-wi8yj 7 жыл бұрын
really mark? think of it like putting A ball that doesn't have enough distance will NEVER get in the cup. A field goal attempt that doesn't have the distance will NEVER BE GOOD go with the distance.
@mark224
@mark224 7 жыл бұрын
+R Kurtz ....what?
@32zmoney
@32zmoney 6 жыл бұрын
The pre kickoff music got everyone pumped!
@Mikey41701
@Mikey41701 9 жыл бұрын
Damn those old Patriots uniforms were amazing
@pm69669
@pm69669 9 жыл бұрын
ikr
@PlumberWRX
@PlumberWRX 8 жыл бұрын
the Colts look like practice uniforms
@Ariamaluum
@Ariamaluum 8 жыл бұрын
+Shitlord of Shittington or green like the old colts from AAFC.
@mudkipman1
@mudkipman1 7 жыл бұрын
#RISEUP
@Matthew-qy7op
@Matthew-qy7op 7 жыл бұрын
Mike Dilullo If you were to look at the American Revolutionary Soldier uniforms, the current Navy, Silver, White and Red uniforms the Patriots wear, actually look similar to those dress uniforms. A lot of teams do need to go back to their original uniforms. The Bills finally did, and it's a handsome improvement. The Rams are working on going back to the '67 fearsome foursome look in 2019, the Chargers need to permanently go back to the powder blues with the helmet digits, the Broncos need to go back to the baby blue and orange uniforms of the Elway years and the Texans need to become the Oilers. The Eagles need the Kelly greens for sure. I'm not sure what I'd do with Seattle. I like their home uniforms of today and the Zorn years, but they looked too much like the Lions away. their gray always are pretty good though. The Jaguars have always been subpar. A Florida team wearing black? I don't even want to think about the Browns...
@formercoach1202
@formercoach1202 6 жыл бұрын
I think the 2 step approach was simply what he was used to as a kicker with a holder. That is the one thing many are overlooking. How many times did he have to kick off with a holder.
@mashermac55
@mashermac55 9 жыл бұрын
The most remarkable thing is that no one knew what to do. Snap or no snap? On the line or ten yds deep? Drop a man back for a possible run back? - total confusion - in today's NFL, where everything is strategized to the smallest detail, even tho this is the least common play after the drop kick the players on both sides would know exactly what to do and where to be - not sure that's good or bad - but it sure is different
@pears0094
@pears0094 9 жыл бұрын
+mashermac55 Too be honest, it happened again (a Fair-Catch/Free-Kick) a couple of years ago, and the players acted in a similar manner... So your hypothesis unfortunately didn't/doesn't really pan out... (I myself thought similar to your assessment, that with all the strategizing in todays NFL they WOULD know what to do, but to no avail...) Not really a play you practice or talk about too much in training Camp and Pre-Season I guess... I'm sure many of the players and fans had never even head of this play before either... I know I hadn't until I saw unfold and then went back and did some research on the "Fair-Catch/Free-Kick"...
@rockintetster
@rockintetster 5 жыл бұрын
Something that is almost always forgotten in football is that after every fair catch on a punt or kickoff, the receiving team has TWO options; 1) a set of four downs to run plays OR 2) a free place kick to attempt a field goal from the spot of the fair catch. Nearly all of the time, the receiving team elects the first option- to run a set of downs. The second option, the free place kick, is rarely exercised because it is only advantageous when ALL of the following circumstances are present; 1) There is realistically time for only one play on the clock. 2) The team is in field goal range. 3) A filed goal would be a meaningful score. This is one of those rare situations. There is nothing to loose for the Colts by missing the field goal- i.e.- they don’t care about giving the Patriots good field position because there is no time left.
@russe19642
@russe19642 4 жыл бұрын
Cant believe sat and watched for 6 minutes And he missed
@thomasjohnson4101
@thomasjohnson4101 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for ruining the suspense
@mikeobie1
@mikeobie1 4 жыл бұрын
What a beautiful uniform match up.
@BenjWarrant
@BenjWarrant 8 жыл бұрын
A seven minute and two second clip for what is something like 5 or 6 seconds of actual play.
@johnthehuman2740
@johnthehuman2740 6 жыл бұрын
this was a really good post because nobody screwed it up with bad editing or stupid over-narration. just give it to us like it happened. Thanks!!
@HolySoliDeoGloria
@HolySoliDeoGloria 6 жыл бұрын
Allegre didn't use a full runup and wasted the opportunity.
@jps101574
@jps101574 5 жыл бұрын
Remember he was not kicking off of a Tee so he decided to use his regular field goal runup kicking off of the 'ground'.
@ericfitzgerald9214
@ericfitzgerald9214 3 жыл бұрын
I was disappointed he didn't use the kickoff approach to the free kick. He probably would have made the field goal
@MusicTennis
@MusicTennis 5 жыл бұрын
Charlie Jones with the call. He uttered the famous line after seeing the '85 Bears vicious hits on a team "whats happening in the NFL". Mike Ditka was asked if CJ was off his xmas list and Dikta said "I wouldn't send Jones my dirty socks for xmas".... lol
@scottbrown1611
@scottbrown1611 7 жыл бұрын
Love the old New England uniforms
@erickwatson1795
@erickwatson1795 5 жыл бұрын
If this happened in today's world, the announcers, facebook and twitter would be screaming about how wrong this is. The announcers here were a throw back, they actually knew. Todays announcers would say it's illegal and make crap up...
@rmadrazo
@rmadrazo 4 жыл бұрын
7 minutes of footage for 3 seconds of gameplay.
@doolindanger2459
@doolindanger2459 6 жыл бұрын
And to think 22 years later these same two teams would play in the greatest AFC Championship in that very same building.
@ilovebrandnewcarpets
@ilovebrandnewcarpets 8 жыл бұрын
LOL at the patriots not even trying to run the kick back
@goodmaro
@goodmaro 8 жыл бұрын
He shouldn't even have fielded it if he didn't think he could run it back for a score. Since 1974 in the NFL, if a FG attempt failed to score and was not played by the receiving team, they scrimmaged from the previous spot, which in this case would've been the other team's 49 yard line. No time would've run off the period clock. Prior to 1974, they'd have had to field the free kick, because the kicking team could recover just as for a kickoff or free kick from a safety. In Federation rules it's still just like any other kick, no "missed FG" rule.
@grovergarver3104
@grovergarver3104 7 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure what the rules on this play were back then. But as of now, you're correct about where the ball would be placed. However, the clock starts on the KICK on this play.
@Mostlyharmless1985
@Mostlyharmless1985 6 жыл бұрын
It's not a field goal, it's a free kick. The ball is live as soon as it hits the boot.
@richardmourdock2719
@richardmourdock2719 5 жыл бұрын
With the recent rule change impacting on-side kicks, I wonder how this might apply. The kicking team (wanting an onside kick) pops it in the air and the receiving time calls a fair catch.... it would seem given where the kick off now takes place, the receiving team that made the fair catch has a great chance to put more points on the board....
@quentinraffensperger1699
@quentinraffensperger1699 9 жыл бұрын
Gambling addict Schlicter was probably happy Allegre didn't get 3 points. .....He's probably calling his bookie at half time.." Hey Chuck, what was the point spread on my game with the Patriots?"
@rodolfogarcia1294
@rodolfogarcia1294 4 жыл бұрын
Raúl Allegre, underrated player, Mexican pride
@samrosem9127
@samrosem9127 9 жыл бұрын
Colts looked a lot better with the gray pants than the boring whites
@MrKeepnit100
@MrKeepnit100 9 жыл бұрын
+Siege617 Ravens are pretty slick but they rarely bring them out
@kyrcekilgore7203
@kyrcekilgore7203 9 жыл бұрын
+Siege617 it's less weight and it makes moving easier
@Rockhound6165
@Rockhound6165 5 жыл бұрын
I actually saw one of these live in about 1986. Redskins tried it @ Philly. Steve Cox was their punter and long range kicker and he kicked a grounder.
@zharrold1able
@zharrold1able 4 жыл бұрын
5:52 - The reason we don't remember.
@jeffw1267
@jeffw1267 8 жыл бұрын
That's interesting but Allegre only made 10 field goals over 50 yards (out of 22 attempts) in his entire NFL career, let alone a 61-yard attempt. Total waste of time.
@alexh8613
@alexh8613 7 жыл бұрын
Kickers in the 80's were idiots. This is the 3rd fair catch/free kick from the 80's that I have watched, and everyone of them only takes their normal 2 steps before kicking. And every time, it's been well short. Legally, they can take as many steps as they want, meaning that they can take a running start, before kicking, like they would during a kickoff.
@DaPimpinBlob
@DaPimpinBlob 7 жыл бұрын
Alex H ya but to take a longer run up means you're coming at the ball more straight on when you kick it. When you have a kicking tee that's fine but when someone is holding the ball, the kicker is going to end up kicking the guys hand/arm
@TheJerseyNinja
@TheJerseyNinja 7 жыл бұрын
Julian B so you take your 2 steps over each time you take 2 back. Keeps the same angle
@michaelmiller6013
@michaelmiller6013 6 жыл бұрын
Alex H yeah but they practice the other way hundreds and thousands of times
@justafanintexas7913
@justafanintexas7913 5 жыл бұрын
And you have no control over accuracy.
@tommylitz4543
@tommylitz4543 5 жыл бұрын
Saw a free kick tried at a Redskins game under George Allen when I was a kid. (I think it was 1974) It was after receiving a punt with a fair catch on about our own 48 yard line just before halftime. But the Ref screwed up the rules! He wouldnt allow Kurt Knight a holder (legal) nor to dig his heel into the turf (illegal) to make a makeshift kicking tee (illegal). Kurt didn't know how to drop-kick (legal), so he just laid the ball flat on ground. He took a running start and kicked it like a normal kickoff and actually elevated the ball quite nicely - like a low line-drive - it looked more like a frisbee. Never getting higher than maybe 30 feet off the ground but ln a straight line. It landed below the goal post. Following the game it was mentioned on the radio that a player could have held the ball.
@gmic56ify
@gmic56ify 4 жыл бұрын
I remember allgre with the giants.
@1thepner
@1thepner 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, great quality! Hey, and an Art Schlicter sighting on the Colts sideline #10
@MBoggles
@MBoggles 9 жыл бұрын
At least put the tabs in to show when this happens. This is a 7 minute video that could be 15 seconds.
@johnmanier7968
@johnmanier7968 6 жыл бұрын
Very alert of the late, great Charlie Jones to call this before the Colts themselves did. I think this was a tad more common before 1974, when the goalposts were moved from the goal line to behind the end zone. It's also more common on punts than kickoffs, which are rarely fair caught at all, much less within potential field goal range. And it only seems to happen in the final moments of the second or fourth quarter. The Bears won in Green Bay with one of these free kick FGs in 1968.
@montecarlo4294
@montecarlo4294 8 жыл бұрын
Was Tom Brady the Patriots' QB back then?
@montecarlo4294
@montecarlo4294 8 жыл бұрын
***** Oh, okay. He's so old, I figured he was playing back in the 1970's and 1980's. But, I suppose he had to have been a child at some point! But, he's no kid now, that's for sure! He's got a foot in the nursing home now.
@zyxwut321
@zyxwut321 8 жыл бұрын
Um, yeah, he's not that old. If he was playing in the 1970s he would be at least in his 60s now.
@zyberzyber
@zyberzyber 8 жыл бұрын
wow.
@montecarlo4294
@montecarlo4294 8 жыл бұрын
Jordan Russo Nawww. Why ya askin? I been to the libary n shit.
@vadoom3353
@vadoom3353 7 жыл бұрын
Jordan Russo damn u beat me to it and I'm pretty sure the answer is yes
@AaronJZY
@AaronJZY 5 жыл бұрын
The announcers back then were way better.
@zyrrhos
@zyrrhos 5 жыл бұрын
Hold on. I watched all the way to the end and it was no good? What a letdown.
@mattallisi6572
@mattallisi6572 4 жыл бұрын
I watched 5:30 and then read this comment. Kick at 5:45. Doh!
@CarrotManShow
@CarrotManShow 7 жыл бұрын
How many Colts players were allowed to be offsides? Just the holder?
@ecjraj
@ecjraj 5 жыл бұрын
I saw a player actually walk over to a cooler with cup in hand to get his own drink, I would be surprised if that's happened in the last 15 years. Today's players see a girl walking toward them with a squirt bottle and open their mouths like a baby bird. If he doesn't need a drink he will just shake his head meaning no or act like he doesn't see her.
@yzfool6639
@yzfool6639 5 жыл бұрын
in those days you got chronic traumatic encephalopathy without the financial and gladiatorial perks.
@deerkiller2699
@deerkiller2699 5 жыл бұрын
Well what else would expect from the animals that dominate the sport
@jeffreyadams8345
@jeffreyadams8345 5 жыл бұрын
I know lazy and over paid now, cant even drink water on their own
@mrceleb2006
@mrceleb2006 5 жыл бұрын
This was the Colts' first season in Indy after a controversial relocation from Baltimore...this took place at the Hoosier (later RCA) Dome!
@aaronbrewer1742
@aaronbrewer1742 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ace. You are on it.
@zero1fifty8
@zero1fifty8 5 жыл бұрын
That was the age of the "barefoot" kickers:-):-)
@billnegron1057
@billnegron1057 5 жыл бұрын
Tony Franklin, Rich Karlis
@billnegron1057
@billnegron1057 5 жыл бұрын
@@stranger7138 Russell was a great college kicker but when he came to the NFL he was not as good when he had to kick off the ground instead of the "block" So he punted instead after being the 11th pick in the draft! He was not a bare foot kicker though.
@stranger7138
@stranger7138 5 жыл бұрын
@@billnegron1057 Yeah your right. It was the same app. era as the others, in my mind I was thinking he was. Same southwest conference as Tony Franklin, Steve Little. But not a barefoot kicker.
@prun8893
@prun8893 4 жыл бұрын
Art Schlicter was trying to figure out what effect this kick would have on his ability to shave points in this game.
@fse2520
@fse2520 6 жыл бұрын
Still not in madden😐
@toddhogg9500
@toddhogg9500 8 жыл бұрын
One of the first game I went to as a Colts Fan!
@utahjedi22
@utahjedi22 8 жыл бұрын
I wonder if it's still a rule?
@zyberzyber
@zyberzyber 8 жыл бұрын
jeez.
@o0JizZleMAliZzlE0o
@o0JizZleMAliZzlE0o 8 жыл бұрын
From the 2016 rulebook: "ARTICLE 4. PUTTING BALL IN PLAY AFTER FAIR CATCH. After a fair catch is made, or is awarded as the result of faircatch interference, the receiving team has the option of putting the ball in play by either a: (a) fair-catch kick (drop kick or placekick without a tee) from the spot of the catch (or the succeeding spot after enforcement of any applicable penalties) (3-10 and 11-4-3)"
@naverilllang
@naverilllang 6 жыл бұрын
It still is, and will likely never leave. It is a fun and quirky play, and recieves just enough use (a couple attempts a decade) to stay in, while staying rare enough that the rules aren't ever changed or re balanced.
@justafanintexas7913
@justafanintexas7913 5 жыл бұрын
@@o0JizZleMAliZzlE0o - It should also be pointed out that this rule applies to any kicked ball that is fair caught, be it place kicked, punted or drop-kicked.
@russbrinn
@russbrinn 5 жыл бұрын
wow...that was a brutal 7 minutes..
@willdrucker4291
@willdrucker4291 9 жыл бұрын
hahaaaa... ART SCHLICHTER scored the only Colts touchdown of the first half....what a bust he turned out to be......The Colts first season in Indy after the infamous Mayflower move from Baltimore....and of course the legendary Charlie Jones and Bob Griese with the call for NBC.
@quentinraffensperger1699
@quentinraffensperger1699 9 жыл бұрын
Charlie Jones was an awesome commentator.
@brianevans6328
@brianevans6328 6 жыл бұрын
Historical note......this was New England's first ever game in Indianapolis, which they won 50-17.
@NightcruiserMA
@NightcruiserMA 6 жыл бұрын
5:25 ... A young Dante Scarnecchia..
@gregorytoumasian9316
@gregorytoumasian9316 5 жыл бұрын
NightcruiserMA I noticed the same thing.. yes that’s him
@jpsned
@jpsned 4 жыл бұрын
Football has some of the most bizarre, fun rules!
@bjdon99
@bjdon99 10 жыл бұрын
I remember watching this game. It's a strange rule. I am surprised with today's kickers that can boot the ball 70 yds if nobody is trying to block this, that this isn't used when punts are fair caught with 20 seconds left in the half. A kick from your opponents' 40 yd line is easily makeable
@Mostlyharmless1985
@Mostlyharmless1985 6 жыл бұрын
Asking for a kicker to boot it from the 40 is a pretty tall order. Maybe if the ball was round or someone figured out a way to kick it with a spiral, otherwise it'd be better to try to push the short field to the opposite 40 and make a try from there.
@bunpeishiratori5849
@bunpeishiratori5849 6 жыл бұрын
The problem is, you can't use a tee. If you could, sure, they could easily make a kick from their own 40. But since you have to use a holder, it would be like making a 70-yard field goal. Even without a rush and being able to "line drive" the kick, that's too much to ask. Maybe a 65-yarder, which would mean from your own 45.
@Mostlyharmless1985
@Mostlyharmless1985 6 жыл бұрын
Bunpei Shiratori no. The holder can hold it directly where the fair catch was caught.
@bunpeishiratori5849
@bunpeishiratori5849 6 жыл бұрын
That's exactly what I'm saying. If you fair catch it at your own 40, the holder puts it down at the 40, which means it's 60 yards to the goal line and ten more yards to the goal post. That'd be a 70-yard kick off the ground. Pretty close to impossible.
@Mostlyharmless1985
@Mostlyharmless1985 6 жыл бұрын
Bunpei Shiratori I think there are some leadfoots capable of getting distance. I think it’s less likely since most kickers are soccer style now a Days. Maybe an accomplished straight through kicker could get it off his toe with perfect rapport with his punter. My thought is why not take advantage of the confusion and make it an onside kick, it might be worth it in 2 minute situations...
@12jmlnv7
@12jmlnv7 4 жыл бұрын
Would love to see this go down today
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