Allen Hughes Says There’s No Confusion About Tupac Shakur’s Death | Hell & High Water

John Heilemann talks with visionary film and television director Allen Hughes about Dear Mama - the sprawling, spellbinding documentary series about the lives and times of hip hop icon Tupac Shakur and his mother, Afeni, a prominent member of the Black Panther Party in the Sixties and Seventies - that Hughes has been working on for much of the past three years. The first episode of Dear Mama premieres on September 15 at the Toronto International Film Festival, with the entire five-part series airing on FX later this year; Hughes's conversation with Heilemann is the first time he has spoken in detail about the project. In this clip, they discuss the hot-eyed feud between hip hop's East Coast and West Coast factions in the Nineties and the still much-debated circumstances surrounding Tupac's murder in Las Vegas in 1996. Listen to the full conversation on the Hell and High Water Podcast, available wherever you get your podcasts!
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[@dwhite8997]

Am I the only one that remembers Tupac’s history with the Hughes Bros.?

[@justinhumphrey1516]

The relationship is talked about in the show that he created.

[@lesaneparishcrooks8559]

✋🏾

[@albaalex3040]

they still hate him

[@donaldherbert5458]

Tupac still bothers them even almost 30years later.... 😂 Pac knew the hate was really against him in the industry

[@sadetwizelve]

He brought it on himself

[@Matty-r9t]

He’s right when he says his audience is worldwide coming from a white dude living in a small fishing city on the east of the UK this dude spoke to me and still does in ways that nothing else does. Got me through my hardest time and taught me integrity and how to hold myself.

[@JohnDoe-zf1hl]

Bro snoop aint no gangsta . Real gangstas die young or older but they die like a gangster . Tupac lived like a gangster acted like a gangster and died a gangster. Allen Hughes your a tupac hater still trying to down play tupac

[@yungslic5363]

It's pathetic that twenty plus years after Pac's murder his enemies are STILL talking about him to remain relevant 🤣🤣🤣 why didn't folks be this upfront and outspoken when he was alive 🤔

[@CloutMoney]

Cuz they're all cowards

[@slagwill5599]

It’s called history- read a book. It’s done all the time on anyone who held any type of influence.

[@sigmaSERVIS]

Tupac,a man who was shot 5 times and shoot up 2 policeman scared? wtf are you talking about?

[@rashadking656]

He talkn now but pac beat his ass back in 93...his twin brother too foh..excuse me April 7th 1994 to be exact

[@darrylnelson05]

It was 10 on 1. Pac didn't beat anything. Pac was a Punk

[@TheKid2407]

@@darrylnelson05 it wasn't no 10 on 1. Pac kicked there ass he had people with em. And the Hughes brothers are the punks cause they talking down on Pac now but weren't saying shit when he was alive.

[@TheKid2407]

Fuck the Hughes brothers Pac kicked there ass now they talking down cause he not here anymore

[@darrylnelson05]

@@TheKid2407 STFU. You're one ignorant Ninja.

[@TheKid2407]

@@darrylnelson05 lmao okay old man don't hurt yourself now

[@SparxSenyora]

Allen straight up reaching. Asa human being, Tupac had more essence than him, so you can't be here dissecting a nigga that was way bigger than you. You can't rewrite Pac's legacy dude.... Lol, he says there's never been a mystery about who killed Tupac, thus downplaying the involvement of higher forces in the death of Tupac. SMH!!!!

[@secularbelt]

Dude in the white hoodie seems to forget 1: Tupac already got shot 2: Tupac shot cops in Atlanta and beat the charges Snoop wasn’t the only “gangster”

[@PPHDocumentaries]

Getting shot and shooting 2 undercover cops don`t make you gangster.

[@darrylnelson05]

He didn't know they were cops!!! He thought he was shooting some hillbillies. He should have gotten off the law was on his side.

[@iam_myster_e]

Allen Hughes is just a hater, how you get beat up by Tupac and say he’s not a real street guy in the crew. Clearly he disrespectful and shouldn’t be directing the Tupac documentary. That is disrespectful and I don’t even see people protesting this like Mr. Floyd RIP😢

[@darrylnelson05]

@@iam_myster_e You probably aren't even old enough to have been alive when Tupac was shot. I knew him when he lived in Baltimore. Tupac wasn't a street guy. He went to the Fag high school and his crew in high school was a bunch of preppy kids. Not street kids.

[@scottwise4800]

People from Long Beach are inherently chill.

[@douggandy7903]

Tru ndeed

[@hollaera2006]

Pac was fearless get it right

[@3BigWomp1]

Snoop ain’t no fuckin gangsta.

[@TheKid2407]

Facts

[@slagwill5599]

He said STREET - not a gangsta. Two different things.

[@thatzmental]

That was God intervening for Snoop! He dropped that wisdom into him and Snoop was wise enough to listen. If that comes down to understanding the street then fine. And he is still kicking today!

[@ReyHugoTelevision614]

Allen and his bro filmed Pac's first videos and worked with him so they saw the various sides of Pac and how volatile he was.

[@thugluv00]

Pac was more street then Snoop, Pac was raised by the Black Panthers, it doesn't get more street then that, Pac was setup hence why Orlando Anderson was standing waiting on someone, you don't get 6' 3" 250 lb guy walk up to 5' 10" 175 lb pound guy say that's the guy that jumped me for my chain... Bottom line Pac was killed within members of his entourage, he was boxed in with opening of a Cadillac to fire at will on him, the weird thing is apparently everyone knows who killed Pac but no one knows who shot him up at quad studios...

[@myladavis3293]

Snoop was not about that silliness that pac was on and got tired and drained of that beefing. Props to Snoop for keeping it 💯.

[@PoliticalP2070]

stop that.pac put on for the west

[@peetvader478]

You do realize that pac was shot up by his closest friends right? and it was only a year that that beef went on. Maybe you’re tired of hearing about the beef for the last 10 years on KZbin

[@MultiKadafi]

Snoop is 🐍. Wasn't about the beef? Snoop trailer was shot up because biggie went on radio saying I can't believe NY is allowing Pac and doggpound to shoot a vid in our neighbourhood. Pac wasn't there. It was Snoop and doggpound moments later shots fired into the trailer. Snoop was playing both sides against the middle. He was trying to say he Is cool with biggie and puffy yet he was dissing Biggie on stage and unreleased diss recently came out of him dissing Biggie. Snoop is the biggest fake to exist alongside puffy.

[@soulrelaxing3888]

No disrespect to Snoop but he dissed Biggie as well, he was on the same thing Pac was on but I guess Snoop changed his mind about it without Pac knowing, that’s when he said that he was cool with Biggie on the radio

[@PPHDocumentaries]

@@PoliticalP2070 Pac put on for the west but got set up by west coast dudes to get killed.

[@devious187]

It's funny, you can tell from the comments that most people hating on this have not watched it, simply because of who made it... this documentary isn't so much about Pac as it is about his relationship with Afeni and how it shaped him and made him the man he was. If you're not watching this simply because it was made by one of Pac's "enemies" then you're missing out on the most interesting and informative docs on Tupac that I've ever seen. Grow up and realize that Pac was still learning too, do you really think if he was still here, he'd still hate the Hughes bros for some movie shit that happened 30 years ago? You don't have to like this documentary or agree with some of the the things said in it, but at least watch it before you judge and criticize

[@deredevil3415]

The doc was good however they still put their spin and narrative on it. His sister wasn’t even in it. Wonder why? Because the estate is ran by Tom whalley and sadly most of Tupacs “family” isn’t really blood related so they’ll take whatever check they can to talk about pac. Whalleys production company helped produce the film and of course he’ll receive most of the money from it and not his actual family like his sister and her kids or even mopreme.

[@deredevil3415]

The end of the series where Tyson is talking about how he gets hard and cums from fighting was not necessary at all. Then they made the fight with Orlando look like that was the reason of the shooting when there’s no proof to that

[@amarushakur47taliban6]

Snoop literally made a song dissing biggie y’all tryna rewrite history 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@joyman07]

Yooooo why I feel like they tryna Re write History , Didn’t the Hughes Bros Hate PAC?

[@kemetskinfolk7684]

Because they are, Pac hated the Hughes brothers and vice versa.

[@tone-dm6be]

I got jumped in the projects 20 something years ago To this day I harbor bad feelings about that situation There is no way I could do an unbiased documentary on the people who assaulted me Allen Hughes heading a 2pac film is weird He's going to send cheap shots & low key slander Pac

[@ReyHugoTelevision614]

That's how I felt, but surprisingly he has unraveled his biases through this doc, his opinions he may have had, have been dispelled making this doc. I'm curious how he will handle the Deathrow era.

[@deredevil3415]

@@ReyHugoTelevision614 you didn’t see the way him and snoop laughed at pac and how they were saying it wasn’t a 1on1 but it was 20 people (exaggerating idk the exact number) that jumped on him . they sat there and laughed at him for no reason

[@deredevil3415]

I’m proud of most of y’all reading these comments. Don’t ever let these clowns get away wit this bullshit

[@TeddyStites]

This is stupid for Allen to do a documentary on Tupac

[@ReyHugoTelevision614]

Pac's energy was on 💯 when he was younger

[@Bee-yz6dq]

PAC, was always younger.. Did you forget he was YOUNG when he passed.

[@aksoprano5755]

Pac was practically a baby when he died

[@MKL3165]

U fire him from a movie but willing to do a documentary on him years later. Boy boy boy lol

[@aiyannacooper6679]

They still mad they got jump, please guys don't believe they tryna make pac the bad guy which pac did made mistakes but he was right at the end

[@soulrelaxing3888]

He still hurt from that fight him and Pac had.

[@PPHDocumentaries]

What fight? Pac jumped him with like over a dozen people?

[@soulrelaxing3888]

@@PPHDocumentaries Tupac beat him up then he tried to run and then everyone else jumped in. Tupac said it himself in a interview. Spice 1 also said the same thing in an interview in 2022 and he was there also because it was his video shoot.

[@RedLeo-pf9yo]

2Pac wasn’t scared of anything because he knew he was going to pass soon. He was a true rebel !!!!

[@Giselle_Glam594]

He was tupac's ENEMY! how dare he make a documentary about TUPAC? I hope tupac's family sue them for once again trying to make money off his legacy...I truly don't respect that, just like the "all eyez on me" movie! That ish is DISRESPECTFUL

[@plrussom471]

I get Hughes hate for making the doc. The doc (so far) doesn’t disparage PAC in any way. It shows more layers to PAC which we never get tired of seeing. It’s maturity, what are you 19? Why are you holding to some forever beef? In fact his fam and friends are supporting the doc. PAC had the brothers beat up and they pressed charges. Do you think they would still be beefing about the fallout? How about we all love PAC and if there was ever an issue we had with him intentionally or unintentionally our love for him supersedes that. Self admittedly, PAC was not perfect.

[@devangpatel5227]

i love pac but i get what hes trying to say. snoop was a crip and around gangs and kinda knew when to fall back to live. Pac at that point either didn't care to live or felt he needed to put on the front that he didn't care. He just got carried away and that one mistake really ruined him. was really sad. its not like he shot someone... he punched someone straight up and got shot up.. but thats what happens when you hang around gangs...

[@jaymail1494]

Wow the disrespect of the dead smh he’s still hurt about the fight all these years later

[@toreywilliams6760]

PAC was a fool lol he was being slick n real at the same time while snoop was looking like alright bro keep acting like that and they going to get you

[@terry8046]

Allen is a bird! I dont like him.

[@samfloyd2851]

Man this guy is...u know what he got the last word pac has passed away

[@johneithadunklin8835]

Why don't he make a Snoop documentary... that's who he's like

[@mnyyluhvaa.19]

The shakur estate reached out to Allen Hughes to make the documentary and honestly it’s better than any Tupac let any music based documentary I ever seen

[@deredevil3415]

Who exactly? His sister reached out? Because she’s not even in it. Tom whalley makes the money and runs that estate it was his production company that helped produce dear mama and they put their own narrative on it especially at the end making the shooting look like it was because of the fight

[@itzzariaplayz5534]

Biggie sent a direct hit over the air way on snoop dog and the dog pound. To me snoop is a coward. Tupac was upset when that trailer got shot up and snoop turn around and call biggie his home boy that shit didn't add up, I was pissed with Tupac, he made diss songs and everything then get to New York and cop-out, he shouldve said that in the beginning like Rage did. Tupac had heart that trumps a street cat, a lot of street cats are just some scary MF with no heart that will run get a gun kill someone and get a rep for being gangster. I can't take these types of interviews cause I get upset.

[@Trwillis9]

Why is Alan Hughes commenting on all this? His opinion could be super biased as Pac roughed him up while his brother ran!!?…His side comments are weirdo shit… ALAN TALK ABOUT HOW SNOOP WAS DISSING BIGGIE TOO, CLOWN

[@BTman58]

No more bias than Pac stans are about anybody that does say what you want them to say.

[@Tom120x3]

Allen knew Tupac better than Tupac knew himself.

[@Giselle_Glam594]

Tupac beat him up in the 90's idky he feel like he got the right 2 do this, his old a** tryna make money off TUPAC

[@Tom120x3]

@@Giselle_Glam594 Tupac never beat him up. Gang members beat up Hughes and Tupac was scared of a straight up fade…that’s the truth.

[@ATATURKdusmanlarininAMK_NJ]

​@@Tom120x3 man sf bummm

[@mzbrown6969]

Well he is 50 reflectint on a 25 year old it's call life experience 2pac never got

[@knight18711]

He was scared lol this man is silly smh

[@Tourist-Q]

Hughes shits on Tupac in a very perfidious way.

[@augustineeduozor]

Mr WORLD WIDE

[@Nino-zg4ux]

Pac wasn’t scared

[@Vrmickyperry]

This (Alan Hughes) guy doing a documentary on Tupac is asinine. Tupac was born in HARLEM & he says " A little kid from the Bronx." 😬

[@christopherreid3969]

Pac from the Bronx and he move to Harlem’ he’s not lying about that part

[@Vrmickyperry]

@@christopherreid3969 Pac was born in east Harlem.

[@aaronx8006]

@@Vrmickyperry I don’t care what google said he was born in the Bronx

[@Vrmickyperry]

@@aaronx8006 naw, this was way before Google

[@slimmvillain4952]

Trust me

[@mhammer983]

Snoop is a Studio Gangster

[@ardien.535]

leave Pac alone.

[@Dollycat1]

Music Distribution he felt blacks should own and distribute their own music.

[@herculean4176]

These people used Tupac for super fame and also took a subtle peck at his image

[@Picoyttims]

Allen is dope!

[@clafeborne1114]

Allen Makaveli is from Harlem son not the bronx

[@terry8046]

Why he bashing Pac like that?

[@CloutMoney]

He was from harlem why he say the bronx?

[@darrylnelson05]

He grew up in Baltimore. He attended good schools with preppy white kids.

[@CloutMoney]

@@darrylnelson05 he was only in bmore 3 years out of his life he was born in harlem and stayed in New York til he was 14 he moved to Cali at 17

[@darrylnelson05]

@@CloutMoney Wrong! But thanks for playing.

[@TheKid2407]

@@CloutMoney exactly that guy doesn't know what he talking bout

[@BlynkyLand]

What a poignant commentary on street life.

[@cherrykhola1437]

2Pac was the King of talking shit😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@humbleguy3963]

These guys never liked Pac and they still harbour resentment towards him for that fight on the set of Menace 2 Society. You and you brother both ran like little girls lol

[@PoliticalP2070]

facts.they hate Pac cause he was telling the truth

[@lekvukdedaj]

Pac was pissed cause he took that. Beef for snoop too after. They shot up snoops trailer in nyc. Snoop dissed big in the studio too. If he told pac before he went on the radio or told him indont want to be involved, pac would understand. I even asked treach why pac ain’t beef with you and is mad at snoop when you were cool with BIG? Treach said it’s the way snoop went about it that got pac mad

[@Trwillis9]

Plus Treach didnt make records dissing Big.. Pac still held Treach at a distance though after Pac knew he was kicking it with them

[@CaddyJim]

At least you tied it up with some truth at the end because unfortunately Tupac's death was that simple. But the beginning of this was trying to paint 2Pac on some kind way same with Snoop. Anybody believes he laid on the floor in the back of the plane with a butter knife & fork then turn & claim you did that because he Street Smart don't believe for a second that's how it went down just a bunch of rewriting history

[@sadetwizelve]

He was there,you weren't.

[@CaddyJim]

@@sadetwizelve no I wasn't there but I have heard conflicting interviews about this plane ride. Even go listen to Snoop himself

[@itzzariaplayz5534]

Thank you

[@jimmyjam26]

It's all a money grab in Tupac's name whatever.

[@thundacorleone]

Not credible he wasn’t even around death row Then how he gone say who more street than the other these dudes clowns

[@deef.d6442]

😂😂😂😂 😅😅😅😅 snoop the real gangster 😅😅😅 out of them all..biggest cap..Pac more street than any of them.

[@mrocto4839]

Still making these fools money

[@kemetskinfolk7684]

This is BS I'm sure Afeni wouldn't approve of this.

[@FCB_818]

She sadly died

[@kemetskinfolk7684]

@@FCB_818 I'm well aware of that and I think that's the reason his estate has gone rogue recently.