How To Install Backdrop Roller System For Photo/Video (Neewer, Fotoconic)

[@AlliandWill]

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[@LaVonDesigns]

This was an EXCELLENT tutorial and the only one where someone installed the brackets on the ceiling. Thanks so much for the great explanation!

[@AlliandWill]

Glad it helped!! Appreciate the comment!

[@markdjolly]

Several videos on the same system but yours is far and away the best. Clearly and thoroughly explained. And extra points for the gorgeous baby cameo. Just got yourself a new sub.

[@AlliandWill]

Appreciate the kind words! Thanks!

[@EoinHealy]

Nicely done:) One thing I would have done differently is turn the backdrop around so the paper end is on the inside to keep the curve flowing when its down on the floor and reduce the chances of creasing.

[@AlliandWill]

We ended up flipping it a little while after, good catch!

[@ClaudiaRobinGunn]

Great to see your little helper!!!

[@AlliandWill]

😃❤️

[@alexandros_theofanous]

Thank you for explaining the installation process! I've just bought this kit and you helped me a lot to choose what distance to install the wall metal clamps, which is approximately 10 feet (3 meters) and I'm going to use an aluminum tube Also I'm a new subscriber

[@AlliandWill]

Glad it was helpful!! Appreciate the comment!

[@konstantinkotopoulos7920]

Thanks for the nice work. I am about to install the same system and your video was most helpful. And being a dad, watching your baby put a smile on my face. So cute!

[@AlliandWill]

Glad it was helpful! Appreciate the kind comment 😃

[@claudiocastanholaphotograp5807]

Thank you for the video, it helped me a lot in my garage studio. Congrats for the family, that a cute baby.

[@AlliandWill]

You’re welcome! Glad it helped, and appreciate the kind words!

[@amza_boss]

Wanted to see the installation tutorial but found the cuteness overload

[@AlliandWill]

😂😂

[@LeopoldoManuelRamirezMena]

Great video! -...I wrap the pipes in foamy sheets make using the backdrop easy and the paper tube slides just enough to be easy to remove :) also... The 3 parts of the pipe can be adjusted for smaller backdrops, all the way up to 1.2m :D

[@KurtStoll]

Thanks! I ordered the same setup and this is exactly what I needed to see! I also will be using your 2x4 mounting method and will post the end results soon!

[@AlliandWill]

Sweet, good luck!

[@leelindemann7729]

SUPER helpful video! Thank you so, so much.

[@AlliandWill]

No prob! Glad it was helpful!

[@LemarGriffinfilms]

THIS IS PERFECT! Thanks for sharing!

[@AlliandWill]

You’re welcome! Appreciate the comment!

[@Concise_Focus]

Awesome video man. Just what I was looking for.

[@AlliandWill]

Glad it was helpful!!

[@wlt360]

And I have the backdrop… backwards ❤

[@clarklinehan920]

Thanks for this! For the shim I just took apart a wood clothes pin and glued it back to back to make a wedge. Works perfectly. I have no idea which direction to hang that counterweight on the chain though. Right now I have the round part of the counterweight on the inside of the loop as having it the other way around seems more awkward. I installed mine on the wall of my studio as I have very high ceilings. I may end up having to put in a sub-base like you did spanning 2 joists as right now I'm using supposedly heavy duty anchors.

[@AlliandWill]

You’re welcome! Appreciate the comment and for mentioning what you’re doing for your install! 😃

[@rootney9007]

Thank you. Great video. Very helpful.

[@AlliandWill]

You’re welcome!

[@halatwinsl5754]

I reach to ur video suddenly, liked the way u explain. Say hi to the sweety child 😍

[@luwang7366]

Awesome video! Thanks! A quick question, why do we need metal tubes or pvc pipe? We have the backdrop with it own paper pipe, does it work well?

[@AlliandWill]

Most paper backdrops only have a thin cardboard tube in the middle, which is not very strong by itself, so it needs some help to remain strait, otherwise, it will start to drop in the middle and become droopy. Some people don't use backdrop systems and instead use two c-stands with the arms running through either side of the paper cardboard tube to give it strength, but we wanted a wall mounted solution that doesn't use stands, so we went with the approach we show in the video. PVC is a bit droopy too, but better than just the cardboard. As shown though, we went with the metal pipe as it does a perfect job and is a product that can be bought easily online along with the backdrop itself.

[@oliviapreston8111]

Great walk through! Planning on installing one of these soon

[@AlliandWill]

Thanks! Glad you found it helpful!

[@mdncworld1358]

Thank you, this worked for me!

[@AlliandWill]

Glad it helped!

[@fatboicjfilms]

this was a dope video & I gained a lot of knowledge from this. thanks

[@AlliandWill]

Glad it helped! Thanks for the comment :)

[@Digmen1]

YOurs is a gfreat video. I will be mounting mine on the ceiling in my dining room. So I am going to go into the attic and put a piece of plywood on the ceiling drywall and then drill sone hole though that. The hardest parft looks like working out where to mount the second bracket. Its good that the black adjuster gives you a bit of play

[@georgeives2820]

is the metal tube nessesary?

[@AlliandWill]

Yes, otherwise the backdrop will droop in the middle

[@jaavedfilms8172]

hey what are the measurements of the wood piece you stuck to the wall. Is that like a 4 feet long wood piece and do you need to use a anchor if you have a dry wall. subscribed to your channel thanks alot.

[@AlliandWill]

The wood used is 2x4 (cut to the length I needed which was just long enough to go across the two wood joists in the ceiling) Since I was drilling them through the drywall and into the wood joists in the ceiling, I didn’t need anchors, I just used 3” deck screws. Hope that helps!

[@jaavedfilms8172]

@@AlliandWill thanks for all of your responses. its super hard to find the wood joists in the ceiling. I just made so many random holes on my ceilings. which stud finder did you use. i am using tavool stud finder and I keep poking holes on wrong areas only managed to get like 2 of them and a bunch of random holes. If you can put a amazon link to the stud finder you are using would be great.

[@AlliandWill]

@@jaavedfilms8172 The joists are typically 16" apart, but it could be a different size depending on where you are. I'm only familiar with Ontario, Canada.Once you find one stud, you can measure out 16" and see if there's another. Once you find two, that should be enough to tell you where they all are. The stud finder I used is this one: amzn.to/3zDyFur

[@Unforsakenn]

Hii thank you for this guide! What length screws did you use for the 2x4 to hit the studs?

[@AlliandWill]

You're welcome! Appreciate you watching and commenting! The drywall is a half inch thick, so we used 2.5 inch screws, but 2 or 3 inch is fine.

[@jimpurcell]

Helpful, thanks.

[@johnesaling]

Hello, does it have to be installed against the wall (near the wall)? Thanks!

[@AlliandWill]

You can install it anywhere you want since it has brackets. Of course, the brackets need to be connected to something, we chose the ceiling, others choose the wall, depends on your space and preferences

[@markdjolly]

Forgot to ask: How long is the entire system exactly from endpoint to endpoint (end of the knobs)? Trying to see if we can fit it in our studio. Thx.

[@AlliandWill]

I don't have the exact measurement on hand, sorry! But I do remember that the paper backdrops are 9 feet, and it looks like the metal pols are 10 feet, so my guess is that with the end knobs, the entire length is probably around 11 feet.

[@markdjolly]

@@AlliandWill Great, thanks!

[@mc5zone503]

Hi, your video editing course on udemy is amazing!

[@AlliandWill]

Thanks so much! Appreciate the kind words and for stopping by here 😄

[@BoRisMc]

Man that was helpful, thanks very much!

[@AlliandWill]

No prob!

[@imogmo7382]

I don't understand the function of the metal tube. The expandable ends fit right into the cardboard tubes of the paper backdrops, then they roll nicely along with the chain. Putting a tube in a tube and then having to shim doesn't make sense to me. (Legit wondering) I've been working without metal tubes for years with same system. Thanks for validation of my plan for moving to a ceiling mount instead of wall mount for my new hanger. Gorgeous baby! Thanks for sharing her! Also, I've always struggled with the curling ends...recently decided to try getting some strong magnets and try putting a few pairs against one another along the edges to weight them and keep them from curling and wrapping arund each other when you use multiple rolls on same hanger. Might be tidier than pony clamp?

[@AlliandWill]

Thanks for the comment! The metal tube prevents sagging on 9’ + backdrops but if the cardboard works for you, that’s great! Ya magnets is a cool idea, let me know how it goes!

[@gretelmeyerodell331]

@@AlliandWill that makes sense for the sagging. I haven’t had any sagging happen in my 9 foot rolls over the last two years that they’ve been up, so I will continue hoping for the best. But now I know the solution if they do sag

[@AlliandWill]

@gretelmeyerodell331 ya some companies make the cardboard rolls really thin and they aren’t all that stable

[@zobotrombie]

Can these be mounted on the wall instead of the ceiling?

[@AlliandWill]

Yep!

[@zobotrombie]

@@AlliandWill thank you!

[@Cezarygon]

Hi, where from to buy this metal tubes what should go between the bracket and backdrop? Is it come with paper backdrop, or need to buy separate, if yes , where from? Thanks

[@AlliandWill]

Links are in description, does not come with paper back drop

[@BradyMontgomery]

If my studio was smaller then 10 wide could I cut the metal rolly bar down to fit ?

[@AlliandWill]

Definitely! Just make sure you order a smaller backdrop for the new size that’s smaller. A hacksaw with a metal blade should do the trick.

[@Pattycakemakeitshake]

Do you need the metal rod? And if so, do i need it to be 10ft? Can it be less wide??

[@AlliandWill]

You don’t need it, but it is better than pvc because pvc will bend in the middle if it’s longer than a few feet. You don’t need it to be 10’ long, depends on your back drop length

[@zelzeleh5900]

Could you use the paper roll straight without the pipes ?

[@AlliandWill]

Yes, but it will likely bend in the middle

[@bfcjproperties8944]

Do you know if this system would work with vinyl backdrop? It could be rolled up after livestreaming?

[@AlliandWill]

I’m not sure! That would depend on the vinyl backdrop and how thin it is. If it can be rolled up by hand then it will work on this system most likely

[@ALASKASCHOICEMUSICVIDEOS]

Does this have a lock so the backdrop doesn't spin or unroll by it self?

[@AlliandWill]

Yes it does! On the opposite side of the crank you can twist a knob to tighten or loosen the backdrop

[@shopcalico]

I’ve installed the same system, but the gears with the chain just SPIN! No torque to the roll at all! Not sure what im doing wrong, as they look exactly the same as all the photos & vids I’ve seen online! Any idea how to troublesheet this?

[@AlliandWill]

It's been a while since I set it up, but it sounds like the chain isn't making contact with the gears, or if the gears do spin when the chain is pulled, but the roll isn't, then the parts that go into each side of the tube/roll need to be tightened so they are secured. Hopefully that helps!

[@shopcalico]

@@AlliandWill Thanks for responding! The chain is definitely making contact with the gears and both ends are super tight on the roll… Like how tight does it need to be?? LOL The paper roll seems to be totally secure- I’m able to adjust the tension knob and pull the paper down by hand-just can’t get the chains to work!

[@AlliandWill]

It doesn’t have to be too tight. Hand tight is enough. That’s strange! It is possible that your unit is defective

[@amberskye33]

Thank you for this! how would you advise using a cloth/muslin backdrop on a roller for this?

[@AlliandWill]

You’re welcome! Hmm I’m not sure exactly, it might be possible to have the same setup and just put the muslin backdrop over the metal tube, then have some weights at the bottom to keep it stretched. If the hole at the top of the muslin cloth isn’t big enough to fit the metal tube, you might have to figure out a thinner option. Home Depot should have some alternative, like fence posts

[@amberskye33]

@@AlliandWill thanks! Yea many muslin backdrops just have a loop already built in but in theory it should roll up if I taped the end part on?..

[@amberskye33]

@@AlliandWill Do you have a favorite place you like to get your paper backdrops? On the hunt for a good quality grey abstract

[@AlliandWill]

We’ve been lucky finding them on Facebook market place used, but Henry’s has pretty good options, and I think Neewer on Amazon started selling paper backdrops

[@AlliandWill]

Ya taping will probably work!

[@jenellebotts6965]

Can you tell me more about the medal tube? What kind is it? Where did you get it? Will it buckle under the weight? Our backdrop is about 8 feet wide and we are having trouble finding tubing to fit through the cardboard that fits.

[@AlliandWill]

The metal tube came with ours, but it looks like they aren't shipping them like that anymore, so I've added a link in the description for where you can get the metal tube by itself. It is very tough and will not buckle under the weight of a backdrop system. Hope that helps!!

[@jenellebotts6965]

@@AlliandWill that helps a lot. Thank you!

[@AlliandWill]

@@jenellebotts6965 You're welcome!

[@thelifetothefull]

Can you tell me about the pipe or PVC? It obviously needs to fit through the photo paper tube but then also needs to be big enough for the end pieces. I tried 2" PVC and it's too big to fit through the paper roll. 1.5" PVC is too small for the end caps. And I cannot find 1 3/4 PVC so what diameter is the pipe you are using?

[@AlliandWill]

I'm not sure about using PVC as I've never tried, I've heard that others use it and it works. It says online that the metal tube is 5cm or 1.9 inches in diameter.

[@iamdayanana]

What is the exact diameter in the tubes and what is diameter from the backdrop?

[@dontejohnson8280]

Can you use other material backdrop other than paper?

[@AlliandWill]

Yes, you can! but you may need to figure out a way to attach it to the poll if you want it to be able to be rolled up and down.

[@blommastrass]

Is a concrete wall strong enough to set up this system?

[@AlliandWill]

Absolutely! You’ll need to get a masonry drill bit to drill through the concrete and then use masonry/concrete nails or screws, but once installed, it will be very strong!

[@AdJeanL]

Thanks for sharing. What sort of building is this called? its perfect for studios. Is there a specific name for such properties like this?

[@AlliandWill]

You’re welcome! Our studio is an old painters workshop that we renod over the course of a year to turn it into a video studio, we have a video up on the channel about the studio build that you can check out. :)

[@HamidKhair]

thanks and its cute your baby bro

[@AlliandWill]

Appreciate the kind words! Glad the video helped!

[@jaavedfilms8172]

Never drilled before. I have concrete walls in my Condo on the top ceiliing and all the walls. Do you know what size drill bit I would need to use and do I need a special drill bit for concrete walls. I will buy the stuff from your amazon affiliate link to support your channel. Also where do you buy the clamps to hold the backdrop down.

[@AlliandWill]

The drill bits will need to be slightly bigger than the screws/bolts. And yes you need masonry/concrete drill bits. I’d suggest watching a video on drilling into concrete first just to get you prepared. The clamps can be bought at Home Depot 🙂 Good luck!

[@JohnKennethMercolita]

What's the purpose of putting the wood first and not directly drilling on the ceiling?

[@AlliandWill]

I mention the reason in the video; it's because the wood joists in the ceiling do not align up with the distance of the metal tube and the length of the backdrop system, so by adding the wood, it allows me to position the 2 brackets exactly where I want them and makes then securely attached to wood. (Instead of one being in a wood joist, and the other missing a joist.)

[@phamwoaw]

is the paper back drop backwards?

[@AlliandWill]

It can go either way, as long as the chain is setup properly to lift it up and bring it back down :)

[@imrikkibobbi]

Quick question, is there a reason to not cut the metal pipes with the 3 to 4 inches of play on both sides on the pipe attachments and avoid screwing in the 2x4 studs? Could you just go straight into the joists on both sides with that extra what would be maybe 6 to 8 inches of play and a metal grinder to just cut off maybe a couple inches on the pipe? Doing an install later today and I believe the kit my client bought doesn't come with the metal pipes so they may be using something else as i've read some buy PVC pipes or something of the like for their rollers, Thanks !

[@AlliandWill]

Great question! I believe if you cut the metal pipe to a size of around 9.35 or 9.4 feet, it will work with 16” spaced out studs. Here’s the math: 9.4 (length of pipe) times 12 (inches) divided by 16 (stud spacing) = 7.05, so it’s a little bigger than the 7 spaces out studs but should make contact. Obviously, you could go a little bit less to make it perfect. Hope that helps!

[@imrikkibobbi]

@@AlliandWill thanks for the quick reply, with it being a client and not my walls or ceilings i'm trying to make it look super clean and professional, taking cutting blade and grinder just in case, something I also taking is the spring poles for holding up tarps so I can hold it in place before drilling anything. I can't believe the tools coming out these days, what a time to be alive !

[@AlliandWill]

Good luck, hope the install goes well!

[@imrikkibobbi]

@@AlliandWill Thanks ! i'll put a link in my next reply with pics when done after seeing what adjustments I make or modifications

[@kamrantazz]

Anyone know where you can get the tubes from?

[@AlliandWill]

I believe I put the link in the description, or in another comment that was asked 🙂

[@RobertoRaymon]

If I'm not mistaken ...you don't have to take off the black end (opposite the chain end) in order to remove a paper roll

[@AlliandWill]

I think you're right!

[@benthpa]

what is your bacckdrop material? where can i get it?

[@AlliandWill]

It’s just a paper roll. Can be bought at most photo stores :)

[@deadbrainsblo]

Hey! I guess the second or third backdrop will be a green one ? 😁 What's that Craftsman tool you use on the ceiling before you screw you planks ? 🤔 I'll probably wont use any backdrop for my vids but it's always great to see one of your vids ! That "attack of the baby" was quite funny 😅 and the ladder fail too 😆 See ya! ✌

[@AlliandWill]

Hey good guess! we actually have a second backdrop system on stands setup with a greenscreen. Eventually we’ll get two different colors for this one though. The tool i use on the ceiling is a stud finder, it helps locate the wooden joists above the drywall; makes life much easer to locate the wood!! Haha ya, the little one is getting fast!!

[@deadbrainsblo]

@@AlliandWill Now, next step is getting an electric module and a remote control for the backdrop 😁 That tool seems really helpful indeed! 👍

[@AlliandWill]

@@deadbrainsblo That's interesting you brought that up! We were close to buying one haha but decided not to because we only have the one white backdrop for now :)

[@deadbrainsblo]

@@AlliandWill 😅Ahah! I guess it's only useful when you use it really often... Or if you're really lazy 🤣

[@AlliandWill]

Haha 😂

[@IronHulkTriathlon]

Thanks, your video really helped me! However, mentioning the exact type of drill bits and screws would have saved me an hour of waiting for someone at home depot for their assistance.

[@AlliandWill]

Good point! 1/16th drill bit for the starting pilot holes, and screws were 3” deck screws (for wood)

[@artandadventurerv]

Why do you have to have the metal pole instead of just putting the paper roll directly onto the end pieces?

[@AlliandWill]

Without the metal pole the middle will sag for longer lengths making it difficult to roll the paper up and down. For shorter lengths, under 6 feet, you can probably get away with pole. That being said, it doesn’t need to be metal, it could be thicker pvc for example.

[@icapturethelight1877]

What is the diameter of the pipes

[@AlliandWill]

We’ve linked it in the description; I can’t remember, but it should tell you there

[@paulchristin]

Man I need some help. I’ve set up the single roller system twice now, and have come across the same issue. This one time after a week of no issues I pulled down on the chain and the far side slips out and off the ceiling bracket, resulting in a collapse of the whole system. This second time ripped out the anchors on the side of the pull chain. I have a security camera so I was able to watch back and see exactly what happens - all it appears to me is that the aluminum pipe I have taped to the backdrop pops off the bracket on the far side. Have you ever come across this issue? Know what I’m talking about? Need some help. Thank you.

[@AlliandWill]

Hey, wow that sucks. Unfortunately I haven’t experienced that, so I have no idea what the solution would be for you. Maybe you have a faulty unit? Or maybe you can secure one one the sides better somehow? Sorry, I’m not sure!

[@paulchristin]

@@AlliandWill yeah perhaps it is faulty, I will play around with securing it better as you said. One more question for you if you don’t mind - have you noticed that you need to put considerable tension on the adjustable end in order to keep your backdrop suspended? And as a result, does this lead you to feeling like you have to pull down on the chain with a decent amount of force? I feel as though I am in this situation, pulling down with what feels like 10-12lbs of force on that chain, but if I loosen the tension then the whole backdrop comes down. Is this similar to your experience?

[@AlliandWill]

Ya I’d say that’s pretty normal. We have one of the weights hanging on it and still need to pull down somewhat hard. Hope you get yours sorted!!

[@thewuzlads3366]

Just came across your content! 12.8k subs is nuts. We just started up a podcast. We’re from Canada. Not sure how to get to our first 1k subs.... any advice? You guys produce some dope shit.

[@AlliandWill]

Thanks! We have a video on how to get to 5k with some really practical advice, I’d suggest starting there 👊

[@beast-mode115]

Those bolts are for concrete walls

[@AlliandWill]

Yes! That’s correct.

[@Miguel_Molina]

Instead of using a wood shim, just reroll the paper onto the metal tube. Put the roll in front of the tube on a flat clean surface, and tape the edge to the tube the whole length. make sure it is very straight. then just roll it.

[@AlliandWill]

Thanks for the suggestion! I personally would rather just add a shim then to reroll the entire thing plus add tape. But everyone has their own approach that works for them :)

[@Miguel_Molina]

@@AlliandWill one thing about a shim is that it will throw off the center of the roll, so when you are pulling the plastic chain, it has more chances to break the chain or cause vibration to the mounting. Rerolling it will keep it smooth.

[@AlliandWill]

That’s a valid point; it hasn’t been an issue for me over the years, but good to know!

[@LeopoldoManuelRamirezMena]

PVC pipes are bad idea.... they bend easily and damage the backdrop...

[@Digmen1]

The instructons that come with the set are useless. They dont even mention the paper backdrop Its all about the aluminium tube.

[@dcmenow]

haha why are the instructions always terrible though!?

[@AlliandWill]

THE WORSTTTT!

[@TommyRosati]

Very helpful. Thanks for posting.

[@AlliandWill]

You’re welcome! Appreciate the comment!!

[@AngelDoesStuff]

Whats the diameter of the pole?