Allstate Drivewise is bullcrap

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

So I took a big trip today up to a Oneida and back to get my new puppy dog and the DriveWise is still plugged into my garage and it did not register at all on my trip today so I will give it a few more days and see what happens if I get a notification for Allstate or not. So if this works every now and then I will plug it into my car and drive around the block at 20 miles an hour, LOL and then put it back in the garage if this works I should get the 50% discount, LOL

[@destroyer24kevin]

Did it work and what did u plug it into

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

No I must have missed tying in one of the correct wires

[@destroyer24kevin]

@@TheOriginalAndysGarage well I’m going to buy the ollgen ecu power adapter and then cigarettes lighter to wall plug adapter. Just to plug it into the wall and see if it works since I just signed up for the plug and drive. P.S the wall adapter gives off 12V. I’ll check back with you to let you know if it works lol

[@sanjotsingh6440]

Did this work for you guys

[@sanjotsingh6440]

@@destroyer24kevin hey jus wondering if this worked for you or no?

[@GodisLovetoo]

🤔 So how do we explain the odometer reading increase once it goes back in the vehicle to read it?

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

I actually sent them back to Allstate and told him to keep them Pennsylvania ended up doing I don't need them spying on me

[@hawkmoon226]

I was lied to by an Allstate associate about this program. I asked if the device would track my speed and he said that it would not. They record hard braking events, acceleration events and speeds in excess of 80 MPH and then raise your rates if you have many of those. So even if you brake for another person pulling out in front of you or for a deer, that's logged as a high risk event. He heard me clearly when asking about speeding(I drive a 911 so it won't be driven like a Prius). He deceived me. I'm now paying more per month than my previous auto insurance that I could've stayed with at a lower rate. You have been warned.

[@Keeptruckn]

I have a current claim open with Allstate for storm damage to my roof. Its been a horrible experience dealing with them to say the least. While my neighbors around me are getting brand new roofs I am arguing on phone with Allstate.

[@MacRilla]

What if you get in a wreck when it's plugged into the garage?

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

It didn't work so I had to plug it back into my car

[@MacRilla]

@@TheOriginalAndysGarage Bummer did you find any other work around?

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

@@MacRilla no I just gave up and said the hell with it before I blew something up

[@MacRilla]

@@TheOriginalAndysGarage yea screw'em

[@tyofficial2344]

Hey I bought the Obd2 connector on Amazon for the MileWise do you think I’ll be good if I do the same thing and just leave it in my house plugged in. Similar to how you have yours plugged in and driving. Also have they noticed or no?

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

They said they've noticed my car hasn't moved in a while so what I'll do is take it out for a week and then plug it in go to the store come back take a back out

[@tyofficial2344]

@@TheOriginalAndysGarage so as long as it sees power I should be okay right?

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

@@tyofficial2344 yes did you copy the wiring diagram off Amazon

[@tyofficial2344]

@@TheOriginalAndysGarage I actually bought this one OLLGEN 1M/3.3ft Car OBD2 Vehicle ECU Emergency Power Supply Cable Car Memory Save Any 12V DC Power Source with Cigarette Lighter to OBD Female Connector Cable Adapter. Will this work?

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

Yeah any 12-volt power source to do it

[@mikee5507]

PLUG IT INTO A CAR THAT'S USED IN A DEMOLITION DERBY !!!

[@sunshinegypsea]

This video is hilarious!! I signed up for this mess today (prior to seeing this video) 🤦‍♀️ it told me mine would be on an app so idk. Lol thanks for sharing your experience!

[@DarkNsaw]

You just have to drive like you got sense. It tracks Braking, time of day, and if you are using your phone while you’re driving using the 6-axis on your phone. If you don’t want it tracking how you drive, you can switch to a traditional plan mid policy, or you can go with milewise which tracks how many miles (pay per mile), which seems to be the best bang.

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

I drive normal but my phone is not connected through the app

[@DarkNsaw]

@@TheOriginalAndysGarage there has to be a way to track the movement, if your phone isn’t connected, it won’t be accurate.

[@DarkNsaw]

@@TheOriginalAndysGarage might want to check milewise instead.

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

I don't know I leave my location turned off and GPS turned off maybe they can somehow I don't know

[@Mojony]

Any updates on this drivewise? Has it been working plugged into the garage? Did Allstate reach out to you?

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

They sent me a message asking if I haven't been driving the car so I put it in today drove it around and took it back out

[@Eric-yc7po]

@@TheOriginalAndysGarage lol

[@slaisebam]

The device reads more than just power from the battery. I have 3 of them but I only drive 3 put of 8 weeks so I'm definitely saving money with them.

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

It doesn't read anything when it's just sitting there with the car turned off it just shows that is hooked to power once you start the car is start reading everything so far this has been a success

[@felixrafaelqc450]

What happens, God forbids, if you got into an accident? Insurance will review the uploaded data of the device and it shows your car in your garage but in reality your accident location is like 5mi away. Will they still pay for your repairs or the other vehicles repair?

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

Well I guess you can't think of everything, LOL

[@BradBrother]

Telematics programs like drivewise can NOT be used against you. At least... not yet.... In WA lawmarkers made it so insurance companies cant use credit as part of their rating factor. If other states follow that will surely push insurance companies to do things like you mentioned

[@joseph87328]

I hooked mine up to my son's electric bicycle, use the pigtails and place it next to the battery pack. Never received a call for the past 9 months. His bike has top speed of 27 mph, I tensioned the brake lines so he cannot stop quickly. great video, I'm with you on this. The system wants CONTROL over everything, and most of the sheep go along with anything thrown at them, mask, shots, electronic banking etc. Fuck that

[@brettgeorge6016]

I used it for about a year. It's complete crap. They make money off your info and you get no benefit. I drive very well.

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

I know I drive like your grandmother and people pull out in front of you and you have to hit the brakes to avoid them and then you get penalized for it I'm getting really sick of this thing

[@LWDavis58]

I totally agree.

[@tomboard1]

It's even worse now. They used to send a check every April and October. Well the app just showed that I got a $46 discount and there's a redeem cash button. It doesn't work though. Nothing happened. I call my agent and he said, yeah the policy was just changed in that we no longer will send you a check, you'll just get the discount applied when you renew your policy. So in other words it's not only false advertising but it's forced retention. I'm on disability and had actually budgeted that money for this month and they just gave me the middle finger.

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

I think it's just bullshit cuz I just tracking your car they say they're not but they are my insurance went down a few dollars a month that's it

[@tomboard1]

@@TheOriginalAndysGarage In July when it was time to renew my policy went up. I haven't had so much as a parking ticket in 30 years. I bought my current car in Jan 2020. It had 150k miles on it. It has 154k miles on it now. I don't go anywhere and they screwed me again. I'm eligible for USAA so come Jan I'll be going with them or someone else. Homie don't play that.

[@GrettaGerdau]

insurance rates are crazy, but isn't a 12% discount better than no percent discount?

[@utuczonybuhaj6579]

Don't worry. Jesus loves you no matter what ❤️✝️❤️

[@KennethLondon-ft9gw]

You know it scans and transits your Vin so powering it on and not having a ECU will still alert them.

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

Yeah I figured it wasn't working that great so if I'm in a hurry I just unplug it and then plug it back in as another day

[@joncruz]

You just can’t power it up, it reads the car computer information that contains your car specifications. Sorry mate

[@STUNNERYT]

I’m really trying to find a full proof way to keep my discount so if this still works great!

[@Zneiero]

The phone app is of course a joke. I used a State Farm device years before that plugged into the vehicle that actually monitored your speed and if you stopped at stop signs.

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

I called Allstate and send them back their sensors it's none of their business what I do and car companies track you also with onstar, I unplugged my OnStar box it was under my seat and never hook your phone to your car radio cuz that reports back to the car companies they're always trying to get your information it's ridiculous

[@markfuller]

I don't think Allstate has a database of all intersections that are stop signs (vs traffic signals which they wouldn't know whether the light was red or green). I've wondered if there is a database of street speed limits. That seems like that could exist (and Allstate could see if you're driving the speed limit, 10% over, etc.). From what I can tell, they're looking at erratic speed accelerate, brake. It's definitely more than the 3 "events" they tell you about. I've seen a list of the details they harvest. There's speed "bands" (10mph ranges) and how much time you spend in each. There's an acceleration event (8mph in one second). I've been on Mwise for a year & like it (I went through a phase of being offended). I'm paying more than half what I did with the opaque, unlimited miles policy. Some aspects of the app (especially in its Dwise state) seem poorly done. But, I'm convinced this is the way of the future. Astate is in the process of winnowing drivers. Show how you drive, pay for your risk, and everyone else in the opaque/unlimited risk pool will pay their share without your subsidy to it. Their rates are going up, mine isn't. More people will be "motivated" to show how they drive and escape that risk pool. It's happening now. Someone reported that they were notified that their Dwise usage will be used to calculate their semi-annual premium (not just the rebate motivation). The more people who reveal themselves, the more Astate will know about the drivers in the risk pool who don't. I was always in that risk pool. Now Astate knows the risk I contributed (very little). By showig I'm not the "mayhem guy" they know more about the remaining drivers in that pool. Insurance is all about actuarial data, nothing personal. This creates a huge trove of data to assess risk.

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

@@markfuller Allstate plug-in can tell you if your heartbreaking or if you're speeding or slamming on the brakes then they switched it over to Allstate app for your phone now they know where you are and where you're speeding at timer also OnStar tracks you and sells your information I unplug my OnStar box that's under my seat and if you plug your car phone into your car radio it sends all the information back to manufacturer that's on your phone

[@markfuller]

@@TheOriginalAndysGarage Look for "Can an insurance OBDII telemetry device (Allstate Drivewise) damage my UZJ100?" (June, 2015). Post #18 contains the telemetry that the Mwise dongle collects, how it's used. It's interesting. That was 9 years ago. It may not be accurate today, but I would assume any changes would be more inclusive, not less. Personally, I don't care about the being monitored aspect. But, I understand those who do. It feels like we're heading towards a life like those in an asian country enjoy ("social credits" and whether you can ride the bus or not due to not fitting in). I think we're reaching a point where opting out of things like Mwise will reveal something undesirable about you. You'll be pressured to do it because good people do it. I see a Great Reconciling happening where, if you use an alternative search engine that doesn't track you, that will factor into the cost you pay for insurance, credit, etc. We're all going to be open books and making choices based upon "fitting in." (How can I say I don't care? I don't think it's in my control. I can resist it and pay more, and be obsessed with resisting. Or, let society do what it will. I.e., if this is bad, then there needs to be legislation limiting reconciliation of a person's living telemetry. The problem isn't so much one app, or one insight into your telemetry. It's the market to reconcile all those into a picture of who you are that people will pay for. That's where it starts sounding like a "social credit" system, where w're motivated to be good do-bees. The herd. I'm not going to resist good products like Mwise just because there's a larger problem in this regard. I can't address the larger problem, it won't be addressed by me resisting the good things. It's a societal issue. An issue of regulation. I fully support that. I think hair-on-fire resistance doesn't get us there. It feels good doing it. But, not changing anything.).

[@lpg8518]

Why don't you just cancel this policy? Seems like too much aggravation and unless you are doing something illegal, who really cares where you go or where your car is located? On the contrary, if something happens to you, you can be located. It's kind of a glass half full type scenario.

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

I know I feel like I'm being watched now when I drive but it sucks if you hit the brakes to avoid an accident then you get penalized for it

[@markfuller]

@@TheOriginalAndysGarage I've used Mwise for a year. I was having that reaction too. But, I've come to see it differently. I was driving too fast to avoid having to hit my breaks (to avoid an accident). I was following too closely (because assertive/aggressive drivers will race ahead and cut in front of me) to avoid having to hit my breaks (to avoid an accident). You know? It's perspective. It's natural to come at it as "I've driven like this for 188 years, and it's never been a problem. Now they're saying it's a problem." I went through that too. But, ultimately, it's a matter of when, not if. It's tempting fate in a way that driving 10% under the limit doesn't, and maintaining 50% more car-length (per 10mph) doesn't. It literally costs me another couple minutes of travel time to not drive like a Sigma male? I save money. What's the big deal? For me, it was clear that it was ego. I've always driven as I do, I shouldn't have to change. I'm being judged. I don't like it. And, all for 2 minutes travel time? I'm saving 70% compared to my semi-annual premium. But, "it's personal." :) If you're in the insurance biz, that's actuarial data. Her'es a driver motivated by their identity more than getting with the program. (All because of 2 minutes). IMO, D/Mwise are great for people practicing mindfulness, the precepts of buddhism (that we cause our suffering in our own minds). It's an amazing tool to step back and examine what's really going on when you drive. It's the best 2-minute expense you could have. It doesn't have to be personal. When I yeilded to the program (rather than trying to avoid sudden breaking which is a tip of the iceberg of what's being monitored), I feel happier driving. I'm not engaged with other unconscious people working out their egos while driving. It's really nice on many levels (not just saving money).

[@valshin]

in case of accident, what will you say if they ask where is the device?

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

It didn't work I tried I failed

[@queenkayla2502]

Did using this cause anyone’s check engine light to come on?

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

nope

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

Does your oil need changing cuz sometimes it'll trigger your light

[@markfuller]

My airbag warning light came on about a year after using Mwise. I immediately thought of the complaints I've seen that the device damaged a car's control module/brain. But, it turned off the next day. I wondered if perhaps Astate caused it to come on, to see how my driving might change when "triggered." :) That sounds paranoid, but I think there's some of that kind of "getting into your head" going on with this device. When I used the Dwise app (before my Mwise device arrived), that thing was alerting me while driving ("can't locate trip"). I got the impression it was a test to see if I'd look at my phone while driving. The reason I thought that is because when I resolved to not look, the alerts were gone when I arrived at my destination and looked. It was like it never happened. The only way to see what it was was to look at it as it happened. Something felt gaslighting about that to me. I even wondered if the dongle has a mic and they can listen in. "Ok, I'm ready. Turn on the airbag warning.... oh wow, he's having a tantrum, hitting his dog...." If I were in the insurance biz, I'd do that. This is legalized gambling. If the dealer has an edge, by all means take it. This is like the ultimate "counting cards" for them. (I like it. I'm saving over 50%. It took awhile to get used to.).

[@garrettwelch8348]

I suppose you gave the 12% back since it was so bad?

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

I automatically get 10% so 2% ain't nothing

[@freddiewatkins9974]

Is it just me but I say this will not work because it not linked to the car computer the car ECM

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

Yes it turned out to be a fail I'm not sure if I wired it right or not

[@freddiewatkins9974]

No that will not work because it not linked to the car’s braking system or the speed odometer

[@CurvyTribune]

What's the update?!

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

Well it didn't work like I planned on after about a month Allstate sent me an email going what's wrong with your unit is not reading

[@utuczonybuhaj6579]

Jesus loves you ❤️,

[@MohamedAhmed-st7kv]

I just turn airplane mode and it don’t record my driving

[@Garotodagangue]

All good and well but if they watching this video they will know you by your License Plate that you are showing them in this video..👀👀👀

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

That's okay it didn't work anyways

[@sunshinegypsea]

I saw the same thing! Lol

[@gordonmculloch4904]

Why do you need one of these?

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

If you drive nice and Allstate sees it you get a bigger discount but every freaking time you hit the brakes a little too hard they take away points and by the time you're done there's no discount I think it's a scam

[@gordonmculloch4904]

One Wheel Appeal: I'd just get rid of it. Here in the UK we have search engines to get the best quotes to renew car insurance. So we can swap company's to get the best deals.

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

Yes I have switched around to a few different companies

[@markfuller]

FYI: Three years later this is more than just a rebate for letting Astate see you drive. Astate has notified customers (may depend on the state you live in) that they will use Dwise telemetry for determining semi-annual policy rates. This is definitely going to turn into good drivers (the drivers who don't mind being watched, or changing their habits) getting a break, and everyone else who remains opaque in the traditional (unlimited miles) risk pool paying more. This is already starting to be a self-fulfilling trend where rates are going up for the traditional pool, causing more people to lose their principles about privacy (to save money). That leads to rates going up in the traditional pool. Insurance is all about paying for risk. If you're in the opaque pool for 10 years, and then reveal that you drive very smoothly (not erratic acceleration/braking), and 20% of the miles the average driver does. Not only does Astate know a vast amount about your risk, but they also know much more about everyone else in the opaque pool (that they're more responsible for the risk of that pool than you are). They know the risk of that pool, and that you weren't the norm. I think this will be a disruptive technology which might be softened by self-driving cars (remove the egoic driver from the equation).

[@Smokey-bx2xn]

You can just pull it out of your car and be done with it… just saying…

[@closertothetruth9209]

leave them its a financial corporation scam

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

It's okay mine is plugged in in the garage looks like I have been driven for over a week

[@tysacura1323]

I love it

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

I took those out of my car now told Allstate they can keep them and I disconnected my OnStar computer because even if you don't have OnStar you're being tracked so I disconnected that did not affect anything else in the car it's totally separate unit mine was underneath my seat

[@MisterKewlz]

Why are you complaining, you still got 12% off? 😂

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

Even without this thing in my car I automatically get 10% off so that 2% let them track me and see everything that I do which I think is BS and it makes you so paranoid to drive because you're worried about hitting the brakes too quick or slowing down too fast it's not worth the 2%

[@davidremache4105]

They can also drop you from policy so don’t join this app

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

From what I've heard all insurance companies are going to be doing this

[@WalknSuccess]

Omg how funny 😆

[@candy5742]

OMG 😳 Just Insurance might be better

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

I know but I heard every insurance company is going to start doing this

[@TiffanysWorld1976]

They do but you don’t have to opt in for it.

[@rcnightlife9611]

Nice, I have metromile. Same crap.👍😁

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

I know it makes me freaking paranoid I worry about driving now I'm a truck driver I've driven over 1 million safe miles and now this all state makes me paranoid

[@rcnightlife9611]

@@TheOriginalAndysGarage I got smart and switched to Metromile due to the pandemic. Saved $50 from $85 to $35 a month but once I start driving for Rideshare/Food Delivery then I need to switch cuz Metromile is only good for low miles. Btw, cool hack/mod. I have 2 of those "Elm 327" OBD2 Bluetooth adapters where I can see the technical stuff about the car that I don't understand... But the great thing about it with the free app is that I can reset the "engine service" light from the app. Great if need to do that for a certain reason which I find helpful. Either selling a used car or passing inspection. (Not to be a bad person) Have your phone ready to reset incase it comes on.👍👍😁

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

Yes I also have the Bluetooth one like you have

[@carolynhamilton6983]

My drivewise is on my cellphone

[@quickstep2u]

Yea but why tell Allstate you’re doing it.

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

It didn't work anyways

[@gordonmculloch4904]

1984.

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

What is 1984

[@gordonmculloch4904]

One Wheel Appeal: it's a novel by George Orwell in which Big Brother watches every thing we do, and controls every aspect of people's lives. 😱

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

ooohhhh ok

[@happygurl105]

This drains the car battery and messes up the alternator

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

My car has three batteries on it because I have a big inverter in the trunk but I don't like the idea of somebody watching where I'm going

[@gordonmculloch4904]

Connect it to a spare battery an take it for a spin in the trunk. 😂

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

I have to wait a few days if they don't contact me with a problem with it then I'm good but if you unplug it they will contact you within a week

[@robertfrancis2039]

Yea fk that. I was going to get that.

[@fadvcorp8529]

So funny😂😂😂