Narrated D&D Story: DM Kicks Me Out Because Apparently Creativity & Roleplay Don't Go Together

[@allthingsdnd]

What is D&D if not a living fairytale?

[@clouddance78]

Monopoly but with swords

[@FreedomAndPeaceOnly]

Sounds like the _"Organizers"_ got a severe case of autism. As a semi-autistic person I can only say... don't stay. Run. Run as fast as you can. _" I have no patience left for my fullblooded kind. They are dumb. "_ - said the Halfogre.

[@dragonicstarblade2049]

@@FreedomAndPeaceOnly this is why you ask how the game is done before dropping in like that. IF those players don't call what the poster was doing as role-play, then they don't know the heel the term even means...

[@nicholashernandez9790]

A non living nonfiction

[@thefirsttyrantrum]

Than it Retails & Retributions

[@TheScaredLittleScholar]

“You’re a paladin, not a holy knight” D-did they read the player handbook?

[@firetammer19]

I was just thinking that! Like dude!!

[@tsinestexicthdauwraum9082]

@Crickett I see what you did there.

[@sharkdentures3247]

@Crickett DM: . . . I haven't thought of that yet. Seriously, they need to remove the "Role Play heavy" part of their advertisement for new players A.S.A.P.!

[@weedragonauts4729]

never mind the player's handbook.... did they look up what the word paladin means in a regular dictionary?

[@darkherculeskabuterimon7203]

They aren't even playing D&D, they just called their game that without buying or reading any of the source material.

[@goncalocarneiro3043]

"You're a barbarian, not a fury driven warrior!" "You're a bard, not a weave gifted artist!" "You're a cleric, not a holy priest!" "You're a druid, not a scion of nature!" "You're a fighter, not a determined general!" "You're a monk, not a gifted martial artist!" (...) No... Stop.

[@YamiYaiba]

"You're an Artificer, not a magical tinkerer!"

[@Soenel7]

You're a wizard, you are not a scholarly trained practioner of the magical arts.

[@raquelalejandrapatinoojeda8334]

"You're a rogue, not a stealthy thief!"

[@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8]

"You're a Mystic, not an overpowered bastard that says no when they die!"

[@TheFuneralKing]

“You’re a warlock, not someone who sold their soul!”

[@williamfalls]

DM: "I'm weak. Help me or die?" Player: "That doesn't make sense." DM: "You don't make sense! Derailer!"

[@liamdalemon1525]

Teamkilling Wizard- is a fu*king idiot Barbarian- is a douchbag DM- doesn't even understand how to do his job Mother NPC- WHY ARE YOU SENDING SOMEONE WHO YOU CAN EASLIY KILL ON A QUEST INSTEAD OF DOING IT YOURSELF YOU LAZY BI*CH!

[@Normaschthewanderer]

@@liamdalemon1525 She retired from the airship.

[@quincyking010]

I had a group where 1 character would convince local guards to aid in anything that happened in a town. And though they did not know this the local guards were celestial

[@liamdalemon1525]

@@Normaschthewanderer ... if her son turns out to be half war forged then "I'M THE MAN WHOS GONNA BURN YOUR AIRSHIP DOWN! WITH THE LEMONS! I'M GONNA GET MY ENGENEERS TO INVENT A COMBUSTIBLE LEMON THAT BURNS YOUR SHIP DOWN! ALTHOUGH I WAS GONNA DO THAT ANYWAY, BUT IF THIS IS THE CASE THEN I WILL NOT HESITATE!"

[@cardboardbox191]

Isn't it more or less the Dm's job to keep it on the railes?

[@ithalathegayguy]

"Roleplay?? This is a game!" Yeah... a ROLEPLAYING game....

[@Xekzelstriker]

Let’s hope they realize that.

[@vortex7733]

Karate? Thats not a sport. Meanwhile in material art tournaments and the Olympics Graphic novels? Those arnt books. Books are for learning only Meanwhile graphic novels take reading and story books exist like beonders. People are just ignorant and stupid and refuse to take 10 seconds to look it up and educate themselves.

[@ajar3079]

Nahh, clearly it's a ROLL-PLAYING game

[@mushroomsoldier1009]

What roleplay in my roleplaying game there should be a warning on the cover of the player handbook on the bottom row of the bottom text

[@Inspectre11]

What? Roleplaying in my roleplaying game? They really should have put a warning label on the front of the guidebo-

[@pirosd8586]

“I tell you when to role play” yikes that would be it for me chief.

[@vieuxdindon135]

Oh, it's not roleplaying time? This means it's MURDER HOBOing time!

[@ShineDark]

"What are you, 10?" Being able to effectively roleplay takes quite a bit of skill, practice, and a certain level of maturity to feel comfortable with it. The DM is the one who seems more like a child for not being able to handle roleplaying.

[@kittyelf1485]

So, their “role-play heavy” adventure was a simple video game play through? Actually, I think I get more interaction with the npcs from a ten year old Harvest Moon.

[@victormagoco9752]

Nah, it was “character heavy”, I think they meant the stories of the characters would come into play, but not through roleplay, just videogame-like simple “choices”, which seems quite boring as well

[@karsonkammerzell6955]

You don't need to suspect if old Harvest Moon NPCs would have had more interaction; having played it religiously as a kid I can tell you yes, yes you would have, lol.

[@somehowviable7696]

I would get more interaction from my AC new horizon villagers than this game lmfao

[@R3GARnator]

Just goes to show how great it is that we've gotten videogames like Dragon Age: Origins that let you do things like side with werewolves and massacre the elves that hired you.

[@d.t.7819]

That's because Harvest Moon is badass

[@KagemaruHitokiri]

DM: *overtly threatens player character* PC: *points out that the NPC was asking for their help in a very poetic way* DM: *loses his shit*

[@Wizo062991]

That was painful. This is probably the worst DM out there (aside from your average out of game creeper). There seemed to be no redeeming qualities. Dang.

[@Mel-ez8hp]

Aren’t paladins technically holy knights? Lol

[@kharijordan6426]

Knights of a god. Don't always haft to be a good God...... unless you reeeeeally hate deviating from the common.

[@ithalathegayguy]

Technically, Paladins in 5e do not need to be aligned with a God. Paladins, by definition, are just devout leaders of a cause. That cause is often religious, but it is not required to be so by either definition or DnD 5e rules. That cause also doesn't need to be noble. Technically Hitler would be a paladin of his cause.

[@merwwrem9595]

Yeh i mean palidins are commonly thought of as a combo of a fighter(has sub class that has knight in it) and a cleric(commonly thought of as priests which are usaly associated with holy gods) so holy knight can fit Looked at fighter in the description of the 5e players hand book, it has"questing knights". so that works Clerics in the player handbook have light domain which light and holy have been used interchangeably when talking about being of light/holy beings

[@watcherofmemelords7967]

By definition yes.

[@axios4702]

Deus Vult!

[@FlamesofJagger]

That is a video game plot. OP was the only one who was RPing. If I'm playing with people I expect more interaction than text to speech. I can see why the first guy ghosted them

[@rvpairofdicethewanderer2383]

It is actually possible that he was kicked out the same way and the DM and cardboard-cutout PCs lied to OP.

[@FlamesofJagger]

@@rvpairofdicethewanderer2383 possible but if he lasted three sessions then got frustrated with them more likely and left. So they probably weren't lying

[@KentaroMiyamoto21]

It's not even that. There are games like Dragon Age, Baldur's Gate, and Disco Elysium that allow for better roleplay than this campaign.

[@SamWeltzin]

Yeah, was gonna say this smacks of players who've only ever experienced video game RPGs and have no idea what true benefits playing tabletop offers. I don't fault them for their ignorance, but I DO fault them for actively pushing away everything else.

[@FlamesofJagger]

@@KentaroMiyamoto21 I get that. I just meat that this is a basic plot, not a fully functional rpg game that is ready for release

[@snake698]

I can imagine it going like this DM: "Do you enter the forest?" Player: "No" DM: "Fear paralyzes you, but you can't run away... The fate of the whole world depends on this." DM: "Do you enter the forest?" Player: "No" DM: "Fear paralyzes you, but you can't run away... The fate of the whole world depends on this." DM: "Do you enter the forest?" Player: "...Yes"

[@hollieginoza7935]

Double no.

[@icarue993]

@@hollieginoza7935 Thats a yes, logically speaking

[@luigidreemurr6034]

Sounds better than what happened, still one choice but a bit better

[@TransientWitch]

But thou must!

[@articusramos808]

I light a piece of dynamite and eat it.

[@DHTheAlaskan]

"How dare you bring roleplay into a roleplaying game!" I still can't wrap my head around that kind of thinking.

[@groofay]

Imagine the nerve of that guy, attempting to role play in a role playing game. And calling himself a holy knight when he's actually a paladin, when we all know they're two *completely* different things? That's just too much.

[@catandrobbyflores]

I would have pulled up a clip of critical role or dice camera action and would have responded with " huh look at that these people seem to be above the age of 10 and are roleplaying. And one of the dms is one of the head people who makes this game imagine that"

[@neinherman9989]

Yeah ikr? It's a dice rolling game, not a Shakespeare play! Holy knight, cringe

[@groofay]

@@neinherman9989 "Holy knight" I mean, I think thou dost protest too much, amirite?

[@DreamerDanielsun]

IKR? Railroading is always best in an RPG. How dare he hit the breaks on that train.

[@voidfloof]

"You're a PALADIN not a HOLY KNIGHT" "You're a GHOST not a SPIRIT" "You're a CUSTODIAN not a JANITOR"

[@Caitydid561]

@Buddha UwU A paladin can still call themselves a holy knight, though. I mean...the only real difference between a paladin and a cleric is that a cleric's a full-caster while a paladin's a half-caster.

[@alostsol]

I'm not your Gallant, Keeper I'm not your Keeper, Protector I'm not your Protector, Defender I'm not your Defender, Warder I'm not your Warder, Guardian I'm not your Guardian, Chevalier I'm not your Chevalier, Justiciar I'm not your Justiciar, Paladin I'm not your Paladin, Paladin' 10th

[@enderking5220]

I mean, a spirit might not be a ghost, it could be something like a nature spirit.

[@OdaManjiro]

@Buddha UwU Paladins are originally Holy/Crusading Knights that gain their power from the heavens (think Charlemagne's paladins during the Reconquista)although 5e may have changed that, not sure. Read Poul Anderson's Three Hearts & Three Lions for the origins of both the class and D&D's alignment system.

[@Cobalt_Rain]

@Buddha UwU Wait, so druids get their power from a deity?

[@cnkclark]

OP seriously needs to post a warning on Looking For Group that this group is genuinely unhinged.

[@zachtaylor8222]

Given the way the title was written i was expecting to actually disagree with the player, but man that group sounds terrible.

[@Nioureux]

They sounded like corpses the dm reanimated so he could say he had players.

[@salvadortoscano2534]

Same here, it was thankfully unexpected

[@MsKeylas]

@@Nioureux maybe they were boys and "dm" just played with himself?

[@Ouja]

You would be correct, Zach Taylor. The DM and several of the players show up in the comments of the original post and call her out for her bs.

[@zachtaylor8222]

@@Ouja is there a link? I'd like to read ut

[@GenoRiolu]

"This is D and D, not a fairy tale!" ...wot? just that alone kinda sums up that game and dm. this is what you get when you think dnd is basically skyrim, with no mods. "i swing weapon" "i cast fireball" "i heal" "enemy attacks" "ow"

[@codysonic1]

..........no this is worse this is fallout 76

[@GenoRiolu]

@@codysonic1 "can we say no?" "as you go to say no, you say 'yes' instead"

[@codysonic1]

@@GenoRiolu I mean that Skyrim without mods is still fun but this game is not fun. Just like Fallout 76

[@GenoRiolu]

@@codysonic1 im not saying either are bad, the skyrim thing was more a jab at dm's who forbid any custom and homebrew stuff.

[@codysonic1]

@@GenoRiolu ahhhh Forgive me for misunderstanding

[@planlessdan]

I... I feel like I've taken some kinda cringe-induced psychic damage.... Yeah I've listened to waaaaayyy worse RPG Horror stories (and sincerely hope to never be in any quite so bad) but this is just baffling. I genuinely feel bad for those morons and their vanilla Skyrim adventure. They're missing out on a great game probably because their first DnD experiences were with this flour flavoured DM and they're all kinda lame as a result. I'm glad OP got a good laugh out of this bizarre experience.

[@sheldonbuchanan9484]

What I really want to know is what did they think roleplay was? Im gonna be lying awake wondering what their 'roleplay' would have been.

[@williamvalorious4403]

....if I'm being honest there's more choice in skyrim vanilla then that stuff....

[@NessaEllenesse]

I would have told the DM "I am 42, 10 years of playing and another 5 years of DMing. I know the difference between role playing and trying to simulate a text based computer game. If i wanted to play the way you're running things I would just pull up my Adventue Quest account the graphics are better"

[@codysonic1]

What about Dragonfable

[@catandrobbyflores]

@@codysonic1 used to love playing that as a kid. I wonder if it's still going.

[@codysonic1]

@@catandrobbyflores Kind of...due to the upcoming update that will render flash inaccessible;e to the internet they released a game launcher of their own

[@catandrobbyflores]

@@codysonic1 might look into it just to see what they have done with it.

[@JT5555]

@@codysonic1 What About Mechquest?

[@clericofchaos1]

normally i try and play devil's advocate on these videos, and say things like "maybe there was a misunderstanding". This is utterly unique though. I've never heard anything that comes close to this. i mean, maybe the *goal* was to make a text based adventure, but that's definitely something you should warn people about before they join. Something like "Hey, i'm going to record our sessions and turn them into a text based rpg for a smartphone app i'm making. so keep rp to a minimum and recognize that you'll have limited options."

[@thevoidismyhome7242]

The problem is the DM advertised it as "Heavy Roleplay, Character Driven". *Perhaps MAYBE the DM genuinely believed the roleplay he had in the game was actual real roleplay and the character driven was the fact the characters did things, but...that means that DMs should probably DEFINE what they consider roleplay and character driven, so this kinda stuff doesn't happen*

[@clericofchaos1]

@@thevoidismyhome7242 yeah, probably.

[@adriannaranjo4397]

How do incompetent people like this even become DMs, let alone get huge groups to play their games. Yet I cant even get a D&D game in my town's own *game club*

[@craigtucker1290]

Because anyone can be a DM, there is no certification and no consistency in playing the game except for the few organized attempts to do so. If DMs had to be qualified, there would be a lot less of these stories as well as illegitimate accomplishments, where would the fun be in that?

[@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8]

You know what would be funny, if you derailed them by purposefully making an OP character build. Something like a Barbarian Warforged with 21 AC because they have 2 shields and unarmored defense, near unkillable on the battlefield. OR go the standard aaracokra druid barbarian. That's probably a horror story in and of itself, but it's at least something more interesting than this grey, bland muck that they call roleplay

[@ShadwSonic]

In my mind, D&D is like this: The DM creates the world and NPCs. The Players create the protagonists. Together they create a story.

[@cosmiccastor7171]

That;s using big brain energy right there

[@TheFirstPotato]

But, and just hear me out on this, what if...the players created *antagonists?* 🤔🤭

[@ShadwSonic]

@@TheFirstPotato Not possible, as "protagonist" means "primary focus character", which always would need to be the players. Of course, no one said said focus needs to be on the good guys... that's what a villain protagonist is.

[@SMon42]

"You're a Paladin, not a holy warrior!" UM!!??? WHAT!!!

[@craigtucker1290]

Red flags for both the group and the player: * OP citing almost not joining a group because their name includes D "and" D which is just ridiculous. * OP critical of how others decide to roleplay, though somewhat justified when the group believes they are into heavy roleplay. vs. * DM dictating the class of the PC unless specifically limited by the campaign setting. * Failure to introduce the female dwarf paladin. * DM telling you how to roleplay. * DM cannot think on their feet. * DM trying to railroad the player. Overall, the group seemed quite ridiculous in that the DM seemed less than qualified and that the group was delusional with what heavy roleplay means.

[@Zeromegas]

You miss the others two players were a tools for the DM, acting as their cohhort/minions.

[@craigtucker1290]

@@Zeromegas True, but that was only really at the end.

[@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8]

Also: * DM not accepting any creative solutions or deviation at all from his thoughts * DM putting up roadblocks even dumber than those in pokemon (there's not even anybody blocking the way)

[@craigtucker1290]

@@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8 All good points.

[@the-wisest-emu]

I agree. There's always more to the story. I would not be surprised if the group wasn't as bad as the OP describes. Something doesn't add up to me.

[@d.t.7819]

Wow. That's the kind of DM that asks one question a thousand different ways, "Do you want to continue playing?" Yes, good. Now that we've reached the next 'choice,' do you want to keep playing... well chosen!

[@demetriusadams1903]

"Not living a fairy tale" Dude your friends are playing A WIZARD and OGRE and you say that hes playing a fairy tale. Like I don't play DnD and I know it way more than he does.

[@williamvalorious4403]

I have never dmed and am used to homebrew elements...even I know basics like paladins are basically knights given some power to deal with holy or unholy things

[@fireofdawn3515]

@@williamvalorious4403 that’s pretty true. I Dm more than I play (sad but I do have one group I play in) and I’m always bringing in my own elements and Having to improvise

[@johnballard3403]

In all fairness, I've explained what I want my character wants to convey when I couldn't put my thoughts together in a timely manner. It is far from even decent roleplay, and I wish I didn't have to, but some times that's what I need to do to participate. On the other hand, the party getting pissy when someone was a better roleplayer is just bazar to me. Whenever I have to default to this, I always try to ask for advice on how to do better next time.

[@h.s.6269]

I've done similarly when I'm having a really bad time with brain fog. My party isn't super into RP but still does it when serious stuff occurs. We have a large party (6-7) and only one is super comfortable rping heavily and the rest of us just do more mild or moderate. There is nothing wrong with doing more or less than you're comfortable with as long as the party understands and is having a good time. My 2nd dnd group (in 2 current games) I feel more able to rp than in my main one since the party of 5 rps a lot more and it helps that there are 2 other females. I'm one too and it can be intimidating being only one at table, even though I've been friends with the others for years, they like to pick on me a lot playfully. The story from this video is an extreme and they are seriously delusional if they think they are rp heavy...

[@flooferderp2918]

Everyone else here already pointed out most things, but I'd like to add I often times find that a PC being a carbon copy of an existing character is a red flag. Similar appearance or power set, sure that's fine. But similar name and backstory? I find it leads to strange roleplay that doesn't mesh well with living and dynamic original PC's. So 'Gandalf' is a bit of an 'oh no' to me.

[@jacobsigl1654]

Depends on how you do it if the existing character you're basing yours off of it's just inspiration and not a carbon copy and you're changing to make it yours and it's probably going to be fine

[@albertonishiyama1980]

It depends... Some characters you can use without any changes like Jason Vorhess and Micheal Myers. People being driven crazy because some powerful group did shit to them and get along with it happens anytime and anywhere. But 'Gandalf' implies being a literal god wondering to be a eyewitness of every single major event in the world, so... Yes, his name is a pretty red flag in most games. But it's totally okay for the more mundane ones.

[@DreamingBlindly]

Lol reminds me is a player once named his character GUNdalf... I was expecting him to be a ranger, he turned out to be a Wizard and proceeded to do everything Gandalf does...

[@TheWizardMus]

Personally my group has seen both sides of this, me and my best friend each have a character who we just kinda borrowed from previous fiction He made Doomguy, who... didn't speak, cuz Doomguy, and immediately killed one of the DM's NPCs just Cuz she was an undead, and was impossible for me to role play with. Even an argument about the NPC death couldn't work because Doomguy doesn't talk. Luckily he realized I wasn't having fun not being able to interact in any way with my party member and Doomguy got dropped immediately Then my character is Morgan from Fire Emblem Awakening, and she hit it off with the group right away, partially because I am really into FE, and I've been using some of my fanfics as basis for Morgan's backstory rather than "she has no memory, just like in the game" and we've got a great subplot going on with Morgan having a huge crush on our Orc Barbarian, Brook I only made Morgan because we made a homebrew Patron for the Fell Dragon, Grima, and my previous character got put on hold because of OoC reasons(my phone which had her character sheet got drowned) but everyone agrees she's the main reason that they haven't swapped characters(the other players tend to swap characters every two or three sessions because they wanna try out different gimmicks and builds) I think the balance is knowing what to take from existing fiction and what to build from scratch, cuz several of Morgan's characteristics are things never even touched in FE:A

[@ShineDark]

When I was getting a friend into D&D, he named his High Elf Wizard, Merlin, cause he assumed that his character had to be some super old guy. I explained to him about how long Elves live and that his 118-year-old Wizard would bearly look like a 20-year-old Human. After that, he decided instead to change the name of the character to Nilrem. It's simple, but I liked it. It made for a bit of a running gag in our setting that Elf names are just Human names spelled backwards, like Elyk, Nosaj, or Ylreveb.

[@salvadortoscano2534]

"DM didn't know how to improvise" That's all I needed to hear. If you can't improvise, you can't be imaginative or think outside of a box

[@troperhghar9898]

Worst role play mishap ... Me a drunken master monk + a few horns of ale + a fight with our ranger who brought her knives = 34 stiches and cops being called

[@jbee02]

Wait did the fight spill over into RL, or were playing campaigns in fantasy world that had cops and not city gaurds

[@troperhghar9898]

@@jbee02 spilled into real life

[@jbee02]

@@troperhghar9898 damn!

[@troperhghar9898]

@@jbee02 we're both ok now and it took a little while but we're back to being friends

[@Nioureux]

I would have left the moment he said no roleplaying.

[@M0016bi]

dm was the one who is derailed....from his brain and understanding the real meaning of dnd

[@boltodj]

But....but...that is literally what most paladins are - holy knights. I think it even says as much in the PHB. Um. Wow. Run dude run Edit - I wonder if they were trying for a Grim-Dark game? Though even there, there are still holy knights. Yeah, I got nothing.

[@imaginarykangaroo1325]

Paladin used to be holy knights in previous editions from what i heard. They are no longer such thing in 5e since people dont want to be bound by that.

[@imaginarykangaroo1325]

@Buddha UwU In 3rd edition or earlier, Paladin must be lawful good and act righteously, they sound like holy knight to me cause not all normal knight are good, some are evil pricks. In 4th edition, they are champion of a deity and their alignment must be similar to the deity, not really holy since there are evil deity but they are still divine knight. Only in 5e, they are loyal to their own oath. So, what you have said so far only true to 5th edition, not the older ones. May be you like it that way and that is your interpretation and reflavour. My interpretation based on what the book and stuffs I have seen.

[@imaginarykangaroo1325]

@Buddha UwU As I said, you like to believe your reason and stand by it, that's you. What I said is that in previous editions, Paladin are consider holy knight. That's what happened. You can disregard 4th edition, you can say a lawful good, righteous knight is not a holy knight, that's just you. Still doesn't change the fact paladin was considered holy knight before 5th edition. So your reasoning not wrong, but it's not right either because it is not related to the matter I was talking about which is: Paladin was holy knight before. That's it.

[@SonofSethoitae]

@Buddha UwU Paladins were in fact holy warriors back in 2nd edition, not just "knights who say thou a lot". For god's sake, in 2nd, if a paladin ever committed a chaotic or evil act they had to be absolved by a priest. They had to tithe to their charitable religious institution they followed, in addition to donating excess wealth to good caused (or a church, said the phb). They used to cast from the priest spell list too. This is all the from the ADnD 2e PHB (Although most of it was off the shelf from ADnD 1e, it was just a subclass of fighter back then). They were holy warriors at one point, it's very recent that they have become merely oathbound warriors.

[@SonofSethoitae]

@Buddha UwU You also specifically mentioned 2nd and 3rd editions, and referred to the second edition paladin as a "knight who says thou a lot." You also said they "never were" according to "D&D lore". I was merely pointing out that neither was the case as someone who's played 2nd.

[@ericsmith551]

(TL;DR at bottom.) I had something a little like this myself. Wanted to join a group on LFG, found a D&D group that sounded half-way decent. It was one of those "pay-to-play" groups and I was considering it, right up until I heard the dude go on about how "This is going to be just like Critical Role. We're eventually going to be taking this viral on KZbin and Twitch and have our own merch, so you gotta be good with voices. We need you to make three characters up and voices that go with them." Even that I could've let slide, maybe they actually weren't incompetent though I was doubtful at that point. Then I found out he named the four "kingdoms" in his "world" after the four cardinal directions so as not to "confuse the players." How 'bout no? This dolt actually believed he was going to recreate the success of CR? No, it would never be that big with them still going strong, but it could do half-way decent if the story and characters and players were good. Then he tipped his hand with the info about his world, and how he basically thought his players were too incompetent to remember something simple like actual town/kingdom names. He had told me in no uncertain terms "When writing your backstory, keep it short. We want all the backstory to come out in role play so write three to five sentences. Besides, I don't have time to sit through the entire backstories of three characters." And just like that I saw my way out, I simply waited for about two hours and told him "Alright, got the first one done. Backstory's about five paragraphs." Darn shame, but he goes "You're not what we're looking for." I couldn't imagine sitting in on a session with someone who actually thinks his players are idiots, and regardless of what he might say that is definitely the case. Your actions, plans and set-up tell your players what you really think of them. If you don't plan anything then you're not serious about the campaign and don't care about it or your players. Part of the reason CR is so successful is all the time Matt Mercer puts into writing out the potential story lines they could go down, not to mention making those beautiful dioramas that the players fight on. You can't improv an entire story line and have it be as successful as CR, you have to put in some effort and thought as to what you and your players will be doing. TL;DR Wanted to join a campaign, but the DM was delusional and thought his players were idiots so I ran away.

[@Donkeyearsa]

I have autism where I have lots of issues with interacting with others and I don't think that I would have been that bad of a DM.

[@CrimsonStag05]

"What!? Roleplaying in my roleplaying game! They really ought to put a warning label somewhere." - JoCrap

[@123HunterHead]

ahahaha - too weak to enter the forest, but strong enough to kill me. nice roleplay words

[@darkjammin79]

This one made me scream internally. I've had DMs that just said no so often that I wound up dropping after enough times doing something IC wasn't allowed. Just point A to point B. No investigations/searching, no talking to anyone not in the party, no use of skills creatively and so on.

[@CozyCabinLife5301]

this DM thought he was playing a hack n slash video game. These sorts of DM's should just be ignored, left to the wayside to rot away in obscurity.

[@BartdeJong85]

Plot twist: the dm and the two zombie players were actually the same person and THAT'S the roleplaying part.

[@lachlanmckinnie1406]

I was DMing with a regular group of friends. One friend had their PC die, so he made a new one: an edgy monk (can't remember subclass though). His whole schtick was death themes. So the party encounters this monk on a roadside. Monk introduces himself, they get to talking. They start talking about food and the monk says "I only eat things I kill myself." Party was a bit flummoxed by the sheer edginess. So they...just left. Just walked away. The player could have been just like "I join the party" and no one would have batted an eye, but instead the party pretty just wordlessly rejected the monk. Honestly the whole scenario was hilarious. We all laughed about it. I kept planning on bringing the monk back as a recurring joke NPC, but always chickened out thinking it would hurt the player's feelings (it wouldn't, he takes jokes quite well). Honestly my favourite stupid moment of D&D I've had.

[@ivanivan744]

So that's what it's like to enter a group of toxic players, festering in their vermin hole.

[@jakebaczik7785]

The DM suffered from crippled creativity. As well as lack of common sense

[@The_mekboy_you_deserve]

I just read the title and it already upsets me. Edit after watching the vid: the quote "you're a PALADIN not a HOLY KNIGHT" almost made me laugh, tell me what is the difference between them if the player plays any good alignment? Disappointment n°1: this DM and those 2 players don't even know how to play d&d, the game consists of creating an intriguing story with a bunch of friends/people, which will choose the class and race they want, if some homebrewed races are approved by the DM that's even better!. Disappointment n°2: not roleplaying and not having some fantasy for some derailing is a bad thing for a DM. I don't mean that everyone has to be Matt Mercer, but please at least have some creativity.

[@halohawkxx]

It's why I'm attempting to play a class combo/race I've never touched before 😅 it'll be fun to try it out... Still wondering how a Vedalken goes about becoming a Rogue

[@FlyingDominion]

"I tell you when to roleplay" sounds more like "I tell you when NOT to roleplay." "You can't do that; I haven't thought about this" sounds like "I'm telling the story; you're supposed to just follow along."

[@omegawatches6764]

This has got to be one of the most ridiculous and hilarious dnd stories I’ve heard. Like what were the ‘DM’ and the other players smoking? Dnd is literally called a table top *roleplaying* game.

[@MarkATorres1989]

Ugh that title alone gave me bad vibes, but I had to know the depths of depravity and foolishness of those that claim to Roleplay... now I leave this video with a twitching anger in my eyes and quiet raging beast within the soul. Holy Knight, being claimed not to be what you are by some false god that desires puppets and playthings, I hope you find your place among the many that truly wish to present creativity and color and soul to this vast gray and dull world.

[@GreymansGoose]

Yeah, ouch. What exactly did they mean by "role play heavy"if the characters are not allowed to, you know, role play?

[@twinglitch8646]

mmm this story sounds screwed up just showing here now let's listen and i'll say things Edit: ... No, I don't like this, that's so many red flags early on just no Edit 2: honestly the worst screwup i've made was getting complacent with critical hits? there was a game my halfling monk was doing more damage with the iron cooking pot than the human paladin with his greatsword. thus my character's death when she finally failed enough rolls was kind of anticlimactic.

[@allthingsdnd]

Ikr

[@lockwoan01]

What if you're a Paladin with a Criminal Background? I actually play, or played, a Yuan-Ti Paladin of Vengeance with such a background. As it is, my mother is playing a Triton Paladin with a Sailor background - she wanted to be a fisherman, but sailor is close enough.

[@irontemplar6222]

I have honestly been running into more people who have tried to argue that the paladin isn't a divine class anymore.

[@goncalocarneiro3043]

To be frank, I like the idea of being determined deeply to a promise being enough to sometimes give powers. That said I see how that conflicts with other martial classes since promises and determination aren't paladin exclusive.

[@irontemplar6222]

@@goncalocarneiro3043 don't get me wrong I think oaths have a sort of power to them. Even in real life, but someone shouldn't become a paladin just because the basically swore an oath of vegence, devotion, or whatever one summers day. I mean at that point your kind of saying yoy couldn't have a fighter, or a barbarian who swore oaths similar to that, and have them not be paladins.

[@goncalocarneiro3043]

@@irontemplar6222 That is what I said, but that said... Think about it... One could in theory say... Reflavour the Paladin abilities to be gained not from a deity but from something else. Maybe something akin to a Sorcerer, so an inherent power that was dormant until then. Or maybe just "Same as Eldrich Knight but with funny holy spells".

[@irontemplar6222]

@@goncalocarneiro3043 nah I would rather make either a subclass for the others or make a new class called the Oathbound.

[@goncalocarneiro3043]

@@irontemplar6222 What would make oathbound and paladin different?

[@jonahjohnwayne]

Party: "You're a paladin! Not a holy knight!" Me: The.... WHAT?

[@willsavoy172]

I never tell my players they cant do something unless their character couldn't actually do it or its against the rules

[@RayVonLovely]

It sounded like the shitty kind of role play action text based crap that I used to do back in middle school lol. "I sit in the corner, edgely and mysteriously as if contemporary life"

[@OrangeyChocolate]

*”How DARE your roleplay in this ROLEPLAYING GAME!!!!”* Like, what were these clowns expecting?

[@addisonwelsh]

Hard not to be a derailer when you're being railroaded.

[@j.michaelcherry8330]

"I tell you when to roleplay. Just wait" *nopes out*

[@CS-hu5be]

It seems people still get obstructive over games. I guess that one DM was unreasonably repulsed by people who wanted to rp for fun thinking they were denying reality when realy it was the DM who was.

[@billnotice9957]

Sounds like you entered One Dimensional Character land!! Computer logic. You are a 1 or a zero!!! You attempted to enter a two !!

[@Sorreah77]

I don't believe this happened. At the same time I am 100% sure this happened...

[@transdragon-pl7nq]

5 minutes in and im just blown away with how bad this went. I feel so bad for op. Creativity, roleplaying, and thinking outside the box can make for some amazing gameplay.

[@XX-sp3tt]

"I feel so sympathetic for this dwarf-" "I am a CHAOTIC Good, paladin." *feeds them to Tiamat*

[@grayhowl8487]

Paladins can be chaotic good! In old editions, probably not. But currently i’m playing a chaotic good paladin/bard of the Raven Queen, he enforces her law, striking down undead and is incredibly faithful, however, he gives little respect for actual authority, and doesn’t always act in best concious (He quite literally started a riot two sessions ago, setting a city ablaze). There is nothing in new editions stating that paladins have to be lawful good, and class/alignment restrictions aren’t fun for anyone.

[@kaos5469]

So basically that group was playing a board game and not a "Role-playing game"

[@Estarfigam]

Wait, roleplaying at the beginning is a must, especially when introducing a new player.

[@666Vampirefromhell]

D&D is a roleplaying game. If you aren't roleplaying then you might as well play a point and click or, as our noble narrator said, a text adventure.

[@rvpairofdicethewanderer2383]

What the hell is this story? I was trying to look for a proper description for this story but the background animation definitely did it for me. The PCs and even the DM were more cardboard-cutout than any NPC I have ever seen in the Campaigns I have been to. XD

[@charliedrury34]

I actually DMed my first one shot a couple of days ago and really enjoyed it, and apparently my players did too :) even at parts where I wanted there to be combat, I still let them roleplay out of it, and it ended up being stupid funny

[@jorgeming2784]

Dm: What do you do? Player: I sigh in- Dm: *kicks off the v-chat*

[@Nnaul]

you mean to tell me that there are actually people like this out there?

[@hotlavatube]

Welcome to "Choose Your Own Adventure" D&D.

[@hotlavatube]

Oh excuse me, "D and D"

[@kingpecon7009]

This is more confusing than anything else

[@Stinkoman87]

Yeah, I can understand the other people doing more basic, bare-bones roleplaying - maybe they're fairly new, and are still getting the hang of it. But getting angry at someone doing more advanced roleplay?

[@zinmaster24]

I'm back once again! I've heard this one a few times but it's still funny nonetheless and serves as a great warning to new players looking for groups and new DMs on how to not act. I can understand nitpicking about things. I do it too. But going further in and seeing how things break down it really shows the understanding that people have and how their experiences and expectations don't align at all. Also... sorry to burst that DMs bubble but on a technical level Paladins are considered holy knights.... big oof.

[@ChemoshKamos]

"I'll tell you when to roleplay" nooooooooooooooooooooooo, nonononononono, nope, nope, none of that. I'd be out right there.

[@argenti1937]

Damn I feel bad for the Paladin, it's also sad to hear about a dm who runs a game without fully understanding the core concepts of a dm

[@E1_DE3]

B-But an ampersand literally means "and"...

[@Jigundus]

Exactly. I’m more annoyed by people who write it as “DND”

[@theawkwardpotato1973]

I don’t see anything wrong with writing it differently... but these guys... eesh.

[@DreamingBlindly]

@@Jigundus it's coz N is way easier to type than an Ampersand and website links don't allow ampersand in the links due to coding mechanics. Also psychology of language. So yeah...

[@E1_DE3]

@@DreamingBlindly DnD has also been in common usage for as long as I can remember. Even back when I was a kid in ye-olde 3.0 days. I also have to imagine people were saying it even before then too. I just don't get why people would get upset by saying it that way except that dnd sounds a little smoother lol.

[@alostsol]

@@E1_DE3 Been playing since '82 playing Basic. dNd wasn't used back in the day. Or at least not around me. It was always D&D when abbreviating it. However, you are right, around 3.0 is when that started to change. When doing google searches, I've had to adapt and try more searches with the default of dNd to find stuff.

[@southron_d1349]

There's more role-playing in the old "Dungeon!" boardgame than that game.

[@davidjohnson6665]

I would have left, the DM reminds me of a friend of mine's first time playing D&D. It was at a convention, so he didn't know anyone there. His DM basically read from a book and didn't let the players do much in the way of role-play. I invited him to our group when he told me this and he had a much better time because we enjoy role-play and he got to play he character the way he wanted.

[@petrusspinelli6661]

holy shit... _how... why... who... when..._ i have som many questions, yet i feel like i'm not ready for the answers

[@kryskiller666]

"You're a Paladin, not a holy knight!" ...Excuse you, and your entire race?

[@MythicMachina]

Man, that art sums up this story so damn well. I understood what the story was even before the video started.

[@dracone4370]

That DM sounded very much like he wasn't quite ready to be a DM, and the other players clearly were good buddies of his that were on board with his methodology. The DM was giving off some pretty heavy Railroad DM vibes to me, especially the line about telling the player about when they will tell them when they can roleplay. Dude, seriously? Every time in a game is good to roleplay, some of the best moments in a game come from something that is basically unscripted or unplanned. If you want to tell a story with little to no input from other people write a book. RPGs, especially tabletop RPGs are intended to be a collaberative effort, which means everyone is writing the story, the DM just sets up everything and the players choose how to respond.

[@vladimirserpov6773]

What the actual f was wrong with that party and DM? o_o

[@unvoicedapollo3318]

I would've left on "I tell you when to roleplay".

[@gigaswardblade7261]

ive seen this story on another channel already, but imma say what i said there again here. this dm clearly doesnt actually want people to rp in his games. he comes off to me as one of those old fashion dnd players who are more used to combat first, rp never. they might as well have been using adnd 1e for this campaign.

[@MrMangaphage]

That's not even bad D&D, more like ... Bad D and D. [Currently beaten to death]

[@letsplaysvonaja1714]

"You have to play half-caster to keep stuff balanced" Wat? XD

[@James_Bee]

The DMs job is to know the material and set the stage. The players "create" or move the narrative with their actions, speech, etc. If the DM can't handle it, they shouldn't be a DM. That is my understanding, anyway. I'm no expert.

[@SquishyTrym]

What kind of DM doesn't let players role-play in a tabletop ROLE-PLAYING game? And "You're a paladin, not a holy warrior?" Uhhh... Should someone show them the paladin page in the player's handbook? I think we need to show him the player's handbook. I would have up and left when the DM said not to roleplay yet and wait. I would have just up and left this point and click game.

[@williamlatham9246]

Reminds me of the last game I played, I was as patient as I could be with my friend's first time as a GM, his game was scripted and he couldn't improvise to simply let my character take an item to a place for safe keeping, because he 'didn't know' and 'would have to think about it'... Despite my suggestions of how a table-top game is supposed to be done, he was determined to script his game so he could tell his story, to the point the GM took control of his brother's character to take a powerful belonging from my character, for 'story reasons'. I complained and he told me I would get it back and that his game is one where I need to just go along for the ride...

[@joshprice4855]

You should probably leave that game. Might be your buddy but that kind thing is going to derail your friendship faster than his game.

[@austinstruhar8160]

How did burning hands kill a Paladin with one hit?

[@evilbeardedman]

Stories like this give me hope that I'm a pretty decent DM(even though I just started).

[@majrbacon1293]

Im happy that ive only played dnd with my friends who allow me to give my characters a gimmick. My most recent that ive made (havent played yet cuz campaign will start after christmas) has a stupidly long range on elderitch blast. We are starting at level 10 so i took a invocation to set EBs range to 300 then spell sniper... 600 range EB. He made me take eagles eyes or he would homebrew an “extreme disadvantage” if i ever try to shoot that far without them.

[@flibbernodgets7018]

I'm really curious how not one, but THREE people lost the plot this badly.

[@aaronstrerk5521]

When I'm DM, the one thing I start off with is, "First of all, no one is the main character. You are all main characters. I like to give everyone's backstory a spotlight in the story, it especially becomes fun when you tie their stories together in some way, a lesson I learned from another DM when he used a BBEG to be the sole person who terrorized our childhoods. We didn't even know the BBEG was responsible for our characters' tragic pasts.

[@blazeking1705]

If you have to wait to roleplay DONT PLAY... you can’t tell me this was a real story

[@LilithLorenz]

If anyone sees this, would you ever dress up for a campaign if someone else wanted to but felt uncomfortable if they did it alone? I really think itd be fun to dress up but im super new and I dont know if others would dress up with me I even want to go with a wig and colored contacts, just so I really feel like my character

[@reapergrimm8]

All I can say is... yikes. Seriously, I can't think of anything clever to say in response to this because this story is so mindnumbing.

[@nautilusrex8812]

I wonder if they were trolling. I have to say, if that's the case... that's a pretty amazing setup.