Sith Teaches the Jedi They Are In Fact Space Terrorists | Narrated D&D Story

[@thealchemistking4063]

“Is this the sith janitor?” *one comment later* “This is the sith janitor”

[@kabob0077]

All I had to do was look at the thumbnail to say "Oh boy, first Henderson now the Sith Janitor!"

[@wp9310]

“The true Sith Janitor does not clean up for others, they clean up only for themself!” - Palpatine or something idk

[@elijahhayter3026]

Darth Skuije

[@SolemnHeretic]

I've been waiting for a long time for this story to show up on this channel, it seems my patience has been rewarded :)

[@legion4902]

Dude same!

[@MrNemitri]

Jedi: "Only a sith deals in absolutes" Sith: "Are you sure about that?" Jedi: "Absolutely" Sith: >:) Jedi: :O

[@emberfist8347]

The line is ignoring the context of Anakin making the absolute you are with him or his enemy. In other words join me or I will kill you. That is dealing ie negotiating in an absolute. Jedi wouldn't take close-minded approach.

[@daviddaugherty2816]

The Jedi were pretty much nothing *but* closed-minded, especially in the prequels. That doesn't make the Sith or the Empire good, or the Rebels bad, but basically the only things the Jedi said that entire trilogy amounted to either, "Na-na-na, we're not listening! If we don't know about it, it can't hurt us!" or "Don't do that, it's bad because we say it is."

[@Random_Traveler_]

@@emberfist8347 All you really need to do to see the flaws of the Jedi is check out the Knights of the Old Republic games, specifically KotOR II. The exile was banished from the order for fighting a necessary battle, the Jedi simply wanted to wait out the fighting and make a decision _after_ the damage was already done by the Mandalorian Neo-Crusaders. I always liked this approach to the Jedi better, they shouldn't be the *ultimate good* whatsoever imo.

[@emberfist8347]

@@daviddaugherty2816 Except that is not true. They were acting on their available information. They specifically sent Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan back to Naboo because they were willing to look further into his claims of facing a Sith on Tatooine despite how unlikely it appeared at the time. Also the things they say are bad we see why in this trilogy.

[@emberfist8347]

@@Random_Traveler_ Except you forget the Exile in the process destroyed a planet and a good chunk of her own forces in the process. That would get you kicked out of any position.

[@byronsmothers8064]

Ms. Princess was the instigator, how she wasn't punished too is baffling to me. ...i need to hear that "year & a half" speech in a building rage tone, he had his moment snatched from him & he's pissed.

[@Blaze-nm1uh]

Look up the tale forge, they did this story a long time ago and their narration of it was fantastic. Should be under “the Sith Janitor”.

[@tylercoon1791]

Punished Creepswork also did a version of this. I remember his rendition being real good

[@JoshtheOverlander]

"I'VE DONE MY WAITING!! A YEAR AND A HALF OF IT, IN AZKABAN!!"

[@genseven4616]

Women rarely are punished for instigating or flat out attacking men. Look at the Amber Heard situation.

[@TinyShaman]

The reason for "Ms Princess" not being punished might be fairly simple: the whole story is probably bullshit. Don't get me wrong, it's an adorable revenge fantasy. But it raises way too many questions as to the motivations of the real people involved, the convoluted character of the role-playing in the game, the logistics of the whole betrayal business, as well as the reactions of the narrator to the events.

[@asbestosfish_]

The Sith Janitor story is always a classic.

[@kabob0077]

Indeed it is, it's something we should look at as a guide.

[@ATSucks1]

Punished Creepsworks, read it the best. Like the very best. He's quit now but his work remains. Look it up if you don't know already.

[@rossnorris2351]

Sith Janitor? Ahhhhhh now I understand.

[@hunterrhoades1813]

“A year, and a half...”

[@SupernaturalDetective]

@@hunterrhoades1813 a year and a FUCKING HALF

[@A-Rather-Dubious-Character]

Character: *Gets harrassed* Character: *Retaliates and defends themself* Party: *Yo wtf we need to kill this manz that ain't right*

[@iBloodxHunter]

This is why I don't trust the judgment of other people.

[@JRBDWD]

Precisely why democracy doesnt work

[@iBloodxHunter]

@@JRBDWD worked for longer than any monarchy or despotism. No, it's far more deep-seated and sinister than simply that. It's corruption.

[@Norlan4u]

@@iBloodxHunter em the whole worked longer part is quite funny please take a look at how long history reaches back Democracy while in principle an old greek concept is still quite young as a government i prefer the statement that Democracy is Shit but the others where worse we do not have found a form of ruling ourselves that we can call good for more than a decade before things start going to shit because we cant agree on anything other than that we disagree

[@JRBDWD]

@@iBloodxHunter lol,you have the nickname i used on my CS team years ago. Answering your comment "longer",lol mate. You know that electoral democracy has only been practiced for almost 200 years and the most stupid version,the one you know doesnt even have 100 years,meanwhile monarchism,republicanism,imperialism or "despotism" literally have thousands of years. Why democrats always say that? Corrupted democract is still democracy.

[@mariofan1ish]

Oh, I remember this story. "Have you ever heard the story of Darth Custodius? It is not a story the Jedi would tell you."

[@Corsair2092gaming]

Is it possible to learn this power?

[@VlRU7S]

@@Corsair2092gaming… not from a Jedi

[@fleshdadbot6852]

​@@VlRU7S fuck it then, long live the empire.

[@brokenblade8223]

Apparently this story is old, but I've never heard of it. I like it. A good RP of being treated badly by supposedly "good" characters allowing for a character to grow.

[@malal4751]

It's called the Sith janitor, lot's of people have covered it surprised you haven't heard of it.

[@hubbabubba2570]

The DS is cool

[@williamfalls]

All bad guy stories start with the line similar to "I laid dormant and watched as they..." And incorporate a closing line of "... Now it's my turn!" tend to be great.

[@daviddaugherty2816]

Just the ones where the bad guy wins. I just got an idea...

[@williamfalls]

@@daviddaugherty2816 Not necessarily.

[@willparry530]

@@daviddaugherty2816I don't think the bad guy winning is necessary for the story to be great. Just have him or her survive to be a continuing threat later.

[@danielmartinez-hernandez6035]

Ah yes Darth Cleanex

[@SupernaturalDetective]

His master Darth Cloroxus

[@osiristheexile5457]

Darth Drain-o

[@TheLytable]

Of the line of Darth Comet, who instigated "The Rule of Two Cloths" which states: "Two there shall be; one to scrub and bubbles, the other to rinse."

[@twinodoom]

Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Cleanex the mad?

[@phaethos]

Darth Ajax more like

[@ssfbob456]

The thing about the Jedi is you have to look at what they used to be. The only reason any Jedi got involved in the Madalorian Wars is because Revan and some followers went rogue, after that they really only fought the Sith Empire until the Prequels started. A thousand years of nothing really happening allowed them to be corrupted into what we saw. In Legends, it's made clear that the Sith had been orchestrating things in the background for a really long time, they made the Repulblic dependent on the Jedi, and the Jedi Order changed in response to that. The Jedi have even had a civil war over the right way to do things, and before that even allowed a marriage and a limited use of the Dark Side.

[@truekurayami]

People also need to remember neither the Jedi nor the Sith were the original teachings. It was the grey order that taught the virtues and sins of both light and dark, then a schism formed between a faction favoring the light and one favoring the dark leading to the Sith and Jedi we know.

[@obsidianblack7249]

Considering the council's only response to anything is:"It's not the jedi way."

[@emberfist8347]

Only things that are bad ideas.

[@kingwildcat6192000]

@@emberfist8347 its more anything that the council deemed as bad ideas. after all it was a bad idea how they treated Anakin yet they did only then to say something about what he thought was a bad idea

[@subjectdelta7210]

To that I say that is not the Jedi way

[@emberfist8347]

@@kingwildcat6192000 Except how they treated Anakin was treat as any other Jedi Knight. He wasn’t a special snowflake

[@kingwildcat6192000]

@@emberfist8347 he was the "chosen one" who was supposed to end the last of the sith. While yes he wasn't a snowflake doesn't change the fact anything that would do actual help or was something they didnt agree with was what was considered "not the jedi way." Actually helping the galaxy put end to horrors in the universes "was not the jedi way" yet letting slavery happen was? They were peace keepers but did no peace keeping

[@danamoore1788]

From this? No not particularly. The jedi were running lawful stupid paladin types. "I am good so anything I do must be good." Was the mechanic justified? Yes. If the Jedi had honestly handled the situation. Mediated as they should. Then the janitor would not have sunk like that and perhaps the others would learn a lesson in even handedness. From the Old Republic, I believe the Sith way is not inherently evil, but the way it is practiced and the way they are hunted by Jedi forces the hands. Jedi on the other hand tend to be too absolute.

[@romankvapil9184]

There's a good argument to be made that light and dark sides have no real moral justification as that falls on the actions of the individuals. There's a SW EU comic where it entails the story about a sith lord that rather than using his powers and knowledge for conquest, he still retains his moral standing, but uses his powers and understanding to help him be a shrewd and ruthless businessman where he later dies of old age, surrounded by his friends and family. The thing about the DARKSIDE itself, is that most people that are weak-willed fall to it's temptations and become arrogant and evil individuals that think their power justifies their actions or something. Though, we have seen that with the Jedi as well. The force itself is just a tool that can be used for good and evil purposes. Both have their temptations, it's a matter if the person that wields it understands the responsibilities in how they wield it and Sith generally believe that that they don't have to have such a responsibility when using it the way they do.

[@trinalgalaxy5943]

This Sith Code contains the reason they are bad in my opinion: "Through passion I gain strength; Through strength I gain power; Through power I gain victory; Through victory my chains are broke" The last line is the goal, break whatever chains are holding you back. This could be a desire to end slavery, bring peace, or any noble or ignoble goal. but to achieve this, they need strength. but in their code, strength alone does not break the chains, strength gives power. power is itself a chain, one that grows stronger the more power you obtain. They may have long gained the strength to achieve victory and break their chains, but because they never have enough power to break that ever increasing chain, they dont seek victory, only more power. it is this desperation for power that makes them evil, not being sith alone. The jedi are no better however. They have a cultish dogmatism that cannot bear any dissent. and for this reason, they drive those that need help away. They do not listen to what is really happening, only dealing with the surface level problems. In this case, it was to punish the one that used the dark side and not bother even trying to find out WHY he had lashed out to begin with. moreover, the jedi didnt even stop and consider the consequences of his actions (did they ever in any material?) might drive someone to the dark side rather than stop them from falling to begin with. The janitor was CLEARLY distraught over what he did, so could be kept from turning to the dark. instead they forced him down that path without any other option, and it sounds like they never even gave him an opportunity to rethink that desire for revenge. Honestly, your mentor at the sith temple in KOTOR is the best example of this. She was a slave, but was freed by the Jedi with the hope of coming back and freeing the rest of the slaves. She accidentally "killed" her friend, causing her to run and fall to the sith. As a sith, she wanted to gain enough power to free the slaves, and she did gain that strength. but the power was never enough, so she continued to try and rise through the ranks of the sith training temple and beyond. only at the end (if you chose to spare her and save her) do you find out how broken she is. what her goals were. how sorry she was for what caused her fall. And the real kicker? the friend she "killed" was only injured and held no ill will towards her. She was just a lost soul, failed by the jedi, consumed by the sith, but not beyond redemption. sorry for the book...

[@emberfist8347]

Except that is not true at all. The Sith played god and that never is someone a Jedi would do. They don't protocol droids impersonating deities because of what the Sith did on Korriban

[@RuBoo001]

I wouldn’t say the Jedi are evil. Just bureaucratic hypocrites. Then they get almost entirely wiped out, then started anew. Better, stronger... And then the years pass, they become more and more bureaucratic, more hypocritical. And then, the cycle begins again. The cycle of the Jedi, and their Order. Rise, corruption, and fall.

[@sleppingbag7357]

@@trinalgalaxy5943 i liked this book :D

[@RyanReidSpeaks]

“You underestimate my power, Hank.”

[@Subreon]

yup *light saber sounds*

[@TalonSky]

Goddang it Bobby, do I look like I know what a Sith Lawd is?

[@huntermeldrum6444]

*janitor walks out with blaster, datapad, and backpack* Me: wait a moment, che che sha! *puts a pair of sunglasses, and hat on the janitor* Me: Now you look like Dale!

[@lockskelington314]

At the end of the Day, The Force is just tool. Whether used for vengeance of a janitor or the snarky justice of arrogant Jedi. It is just that a tool to be used by those capable of doing so.

[@EskChan19]

That's what the Sith want to think. I'd suggest looking into the motivations of Kreia in Kotor 2. It's a great story about the gray areas of the force.

[@SupaSillyThyme]

well, no, yes, no, at the end of the day either jedi or sith refuse to completely study either side, and the only sithish to ever use the dark side as a true tool was revan.

[@lockskelington314]

@@SupaSillyThyme And the more you take from the Force the more is taken from you.

[@SupaSillyThyme]

@@lockskelington314 ... thats also not how it works.

[@lockskelington314]

@@SupaSillyThyme The Sith, The fiercest of them that abused the force got turned into monsters quite litterly. Such as a Force Vampire or enteral Rage Man. The opposite is also true the more you embrace the force the more it embraces you until you are noting but a shell of your former self such is the way of Jedi as they give up emotions and sense of self to become one with the force.

[@twinodoom]

Jedi: "The Sith are evil!" Janitor: "From my point of view, the Jedi is evil."

[@sharlharmakhis280]

~laughs in Unexpectedly-Force-Sensitive Mando~

[@archmagetyler]

From my point of view: “ya’ll are both fuckin evil in your own ways.”

[@tysondennis1016]

Agreed

[@mashed5560]

mfw i accidentally break an entire intergalactic economy when trying to stop evil space wizards

[@CodeVagrantVods]

So s2e1 of Rick and Morty lol

[@tripple-a6031]

The age old story of the sith janitor, one of the most legendary tales out there.

[@IsilmeTuruphant]

What I've learned from playing Star Wars The OId Republic, as well as all of the various movies and novels, is this: The Force makes you STUPID. You're Force Sensitive? Great! Your choices are Cackling, Murdering Batman Villain or Self-Immolating Pacifist Buddhist Monk Hermit. Variances from this are simply your character's journey to one of these two goals. Deviations from these paths are punished, and inevitably will cause you to be dragged down the opposite path, whether it makes any sense or not. Trying to become a Hermit Monk, but also have a girlfriend? Sorry, you're now literally Two-Face. Dark and brooding servant of the Dark, but you're not *totally* into murdering children? BAM, you're now a Force Ghost in white robes spouting philosophical nonsense to the next generation.

[@chongwillson972]

@Polenicus to be fair being a force ghost IS a sith wet dream.

[@emberfist8347]

Except there is a reason the Jedi can't have girlfriends. Because they need to rational arbiters who aren't biased to any group. You can't make rational choices when you let personal feelings get involved. And the Jedi are like Vulcans their emotions are incredibly voliatile.

[@chongwillson972]

@@emberfist8347 "Because they need to rational arbiters who aren't biased to any group" except that is total horseshit they are REALLY bias to the republic.

[@emberfist8347]

@@chongwillson972 Except they aren't they rebelled against the Republic back during the Plus Deia because it was turned into a perversion of itself a hereditary theocracy.

[@LeavanDragon]

@@emberfist8347 yet inevitably end up still joining the republic, serving as generals in war who also trained padawans to he child soldiers. leading to the order being destroyed as a Sith lord in hiding literally builds his own empire in front of them. Chong is right, the jedis principles are inherently shit and the hubris they embraced led to Palpatine corrupting the chosen one and obliterating the order for decades. I don't know about the Plus Deia era, but if it takes place before clone wars than Chong is right, simply due to the events of the Clone Wars era. There were literally only a few TRUE jedi left in the actual order.

[@letsplaysvonaja1714]

their ship was named Ebon Hawk in my headcanon best ship in the universe ;D

[@jamiedanielvincent6940]

Love that ship

[@AuntLoopy123]

The moment that noble attacked him from the rear, literally because he would NOT FIGHT, the GM should have had HER fall to the dark side. Seriously, how could ANYBODY on that ship, or IRL, think that she was justified or good or "light" at all? How could the JEDI think that? IMO, while this story was great, and I loved that the GM worked with OP, I think the GM handled it wrong there at the beginning. And then, after all that working behind the scenes, he did, as OP said, take a year and a half from him. And he didn't give OP a chance to explain to the "Jedi" how they had been evil, all along. I don't blame OP for being angry with GM at that point. The title doesn't seem to actually be applicable. I don't think the players, let alone the Jedi, learned anything. The Jedi didn't even get a chance to learn anything. They just died.

[@TheSpencermacdougall]

"from my point of view the Jedi are evil" Anakin "I don't like sand" Skywalker.

[@So_Iace]

The Jedi were always self serving and and self righteous. "Maintaining the balance" by snuffing out all the sith while bolstering their numbers into the thousands. That being said sith were bad just because their take on everything needing to be about gaining power. Conclusion both sides suck for different reasons

[@NotARussianDisinfoBot]

I'm glad the other players at least checked to see if the narrator was having fun with his character.

[@mattchamp1541]

If only they knew

[@erikscottdebie7665]

I really liked the story, but I’m not sure how the title fits.

[@TalonSky]

From his point of view, the Jedi were evil.

[@hellspawn3200]

even canonically ppl didn't like the jedi much.

[@TGymer]

I agree with op. I feel like 'Sith Teaches the Jedi They Are In Fact Space Terrorists' isnt something that happened in this story.

[@JoshtheOverlander]

@@TGymer Yeah, what happened was the Jedi mistreated OP and ended up pushing him to the Dark Side and he took revenge on them for it. Nowhere in the story outside of that one throwaway line about Jedi being bullies does it ever claim the party were terrorists

[@CodeVagrantVods]

Terrorists? Nah. Douchebags that deserved everything they got? Hell yea

[@worale1]

I've always wondered what is like to play with the guy on all of these stories. OP even said: "one of the players even confronted me, asking if I was having fun or if I wanted to create a new character...". This sounds like a red flag. I feel this tale is either exaggerated or the events were quite different from the other's perspective. so basically: Cool story bro

[@MegabombGamer-rb5kh]

This. I'm tired of people stroking this jackass's ego. Sure, the noble girl was the wrong, but the DM should've given punishment immediately for attacking someone who refused a duel. Instead, he enables this jerk to scheme for a year and a half to ruin the game for everyone else. You thought he was mad when his vengeance was taken from him? Imagine how everyone else felt.

[@Netreek]

In this case definatly on side of the Sith. I just say count doku. ALOT of warnings were given. Who didn't listen? The Jedi that there is a big threat going on. What did happen? BBEG won.

[@emberfist8347]

Dooku was part of the problem.

[@hellspawn3200]

@@emberfist8347 how so? dooku was trying to be vigilant in his abilities to ensure when the sith rose that they would be defeated. Yoda constantly berated him and insinuated that he was simply preparing to fight against the jedi, since yoda staunchly refused to believe the sith were extinct.

[@emberfist8347]

@@hellspawn3200 Dooku has a very social Darwinist might make right only the strongest should be Jedi idea which is contrary to the Jedi Code. Jedi don’t seek power or prestige

[@Wilmete1]

this story reminded me of that one time i played a star wars campain. All the jedis in the party were acting all cool and smug while a friend and I would often do all the heavy work (even in fights) i dont remember the class names but we were the equivalent of fighter and roge. At one point those bastards starte to dable into the dark side, tha was when my friend an i had enough, talked to the DM to tell him as soon as we got a hint of them turning to the dark side we would blast their backs with no hesitation. And thats how that campain ended. 4 smug jedis killed by a barrage from 2 blaster rifles, it was amazing.

[@starsetgamer8914]

Ah yes the order 66 maneuver

[@johnballard3403]

These jedi might not have been in the right, but calling them terrorists is a bit of a stretch given the info we have to go on.

[@Underworlddream]

Yeah, like didn't a Sith destroy his own planet one time because he consider it 'Art' or the few time a Sith during the first Sith War blew up a few suns and in turn destroying who knows how many species and planets around it, or suck up all life on a planet, or that time they assasinated politicians, or that time they made a bomb that trap people souls in it, or the time the Sith made a magical sith bioweapon that turn people into monsters?

[@ssfbob456]

@@Underworlddream Yeah, Darth Nihlus was the Eater of Worlds, Darth Vitiate sacrificed the entire population of his home world to become the Immortal Emporer, and the Sith Empire in general heavily practiced race-based slavery and a murder-your-boss promotion system. Even the Galactic Empire was extremely racist and openly practiced slavery. After all, name one alien Imperial Officer besides Thrawn.

[@AzraelThanatos]

@@ssfbob456 In legends, you had several that were Inquisitors such as most of the group of them that faced off with Kyle Katarn in Jedi Knight. You also had the Prophets of the Dark Side/Secret Order of the Emperor who had a few in their ranks.

[@willparry530]

@@AzraelThanatos There are also canonically some alien dark siders serving the Empire in Jedi: Fallen Order

[@AzraelThanatos]

@@willparry530 Was mainly aiming at Legends continuity stuff since the Sith Janitor was pre-Disney

[@kevinewer1914]

This has a similar vibe but darker ending to another story on this channel “How a street thug beat a god.” Look it up if you haven’t already seen/heard it and compare it to this one.

[@geknechteterknechtinknecht8334]

WhateverhisName was vs "Olympus" or how this unfunny Homelander-Clone was named, right? ;-) Saw that Story, too. x'D

[@overlordtealover1128]

@@geknechteterknechtinknecht8334 but I don't think he tried to be like homelander

[@allenr316]

Yeah... "How a street thug beat a god." is a great story too.

[@geknechteterknechtinknecht8334]

-but I don't think he tried to be like homelander- @@overlordtealover1128 Yet he was similar. He was ready to kill someone who is absolutely no Threat to him at all.

[@firestorm165]

That last move he pulled was worthy of grand admiral Thrawn himself

[@TennoFox897]

This is a fantastic store that shows that Jedi aren't infallible and have flaws, without going into the Cannon and Legends reasons! I've always viewed myself as a Sith, if a bit more Grey in my ways, and so I very much reason with this.

[@emberfist8347]

Except they aren't Jedi just players who a made a mistake. Also I should note the Sith are always evil.

[@fanusobscurus]

Heard this story before and loved it. I'd argue this guy wasn't even going to the Dark Side. It more looked at him and told him "Oi! Even i know this is messed up! Want actual honest vengeance?"

[@kemix1006]

Don't go attacking anyone in your party. Because they might turn into the TRUE BBEG of the game and TPK the rest of the party. But seriously, the Sith Janitor story is an absolute classic in what NOT to do.

[@AJStarhiker]

I side with the Mandalorians.

[@gamejunky3040]

It is the way

[@emberfist8347]

So a fractured society of hypocrites that see all non-warriors as subhuman?

[@AJStarhiker]

@@emberfist8347 none of the groups are perfect. Mandalorians don't restrict to a trait (Force sensitivity) you can't choose.

[@emberfist8347]

@@AJStarhiker Yes they do if you aren't fit enough to be a warrior under their standards you become target practice for the next batch of recruits. Not to mention all their genocides

[@zackdawgz8398]

@@emberfist8347 a lot of people don’t know about the mandalorian wars when the great revan led a army of jedi to defend the republic from the massive amount of deaths they were causing

[@WolfLewis47]

It's funny. As a kid, I considered myself closer to the Jedi than the Sith. Now, I am on my own side. I walk the gray path.

[@emberfist8347]

That isn't really possible

[@Cron04]

@Ember Fist Look up the Original Jedi , they practiced both equally. (I can't remember the spelling but they are basically just Jedi but spelt slightly different.)

[@willparry530]

@@emberfist8347 Cron is correct. At least in the EU, the original force users practiced both light and dark. There was no conflict until they split into separate sects.

[@WolfLewis47]

@@emberfist8347 in the new Disney Verse, perhaps. Then again, it may still linger in the shadows. I know before the "dreaded" Episode One, Qui-Gonn was actually on a planet that saw equal parts creation and destruction in a symbiotic balance and so too, he came to understand the delicate balance between the light and dark sides of the force. He even went against the better judgement of some on the council so as to learn more.

[@emberfist8347]

@@Cron04 Except they split after a civil war showing why it is bad idea.

[@FreedomAndPeaceOnly]

In the end Sith & Jedi are one side of the same coin. Potentially dangerous individuals favoured by the higher forces of the StarWars universe.

[@kabob0077]

[Influence gained: Kreia]

[@Masaru_isamu]

this is why i'd roll as a Grey Jedi there is no light or dark..only the force

[@emberfist8347]

@@Masaru_isamu Which ignores how the force works.

[@emberfist8347]

Except that is not true. The Jedi aren't dangerous.

[@FreedomAndPeaceOnly]

@@emberfist8347 -Except the Jedi aren't dangerous- Tell that to the normal people that died in some of the civil wars depicted in either some kind of lightnovels, or other storys which were all signed off as canon. The Jedi's are f°cking stupid, selfrighteous c°nts who are just the more smug and narcistic side of *'law of the fittest'.* If some kind of government or group asks them to help them cut down violent protestors on their planet, the average Jedi's logic will be _" In order to bring this civil war to an quick end 'and safe even more lifes ultimately' we will just go there and use our demi-god like abilitys to cut the rebells down. "_ Is what has really happened quite a few times in official StarWars history. So how nice that must be huh, for the less previliged side? To see *'a f°cking ALIEN'* that is not even from your planet, maybe not even of your species, a god damned outsider come to your world AND HACK YOU DOWN LIKE AN ANIMAL FOR NOT SUBMITTING TO HIM. And in addition ° let yourself be imprisoned by the regime you maybe tried to dethrone ° or executed anyways Cool huh? The Jedis are smug arrogant goodie-two-shoes wannabe-hero's. They look down on personal emotions of the actual rightful people of a planet and stuck their noses in the business of planets which they have no business truly being on. _" All in the name of peace. "_ Lightsabers are nice since no blood ever keeps getting stuck on them. But even Lightsabers that are not red are in the end just the butcherknifes of wannabe-peaceful tyrants. :) A true Jedi will never let themself be used. In the war against the Federation that used Droids, they have at least only attacked Droids, who were used as conscious free killermachines to begin with. But they were also more than willing to just cut down people who did not yield to them, even though they were the biggest outsider in existence in those conflicts. And they felt entitled to every force sensitive humanoid in the galaxy. To drill their doctrin into them. To influence and mindcontrol them. Just as Sith would do. But the Sith are way more honest in their approach and show their contempt for those not submitting to them way more openly. While the Jedi just call you _"immature"_ and _"pitifully disoriented"_ if you do not let their bullcrap convince you. And if they deem it too "profitable" for their beliefs and agendas, they will just use the force on you to bend you to their will and agree to them. Never trust a Jedi who thinks you might not be as "peaceful" as they wanna force you to be.

[@Ender7j]

I would have been honored to be one of the party members killed by the treacherous mechanic…how epic would that ending have been?

[@PerpetualGM]

My character was an aide to Senator, later Chancellor Palpatine in a SW game decades ago. This was set between Ep. 1 and Ep. 2, so no Clone War as of yet. I was a low-level functionary...essentially I was actually the person who got the space coffee and made space photocopies for the Chancellor's office. My character wasn't sure about Palpatine and his goals, especially concerning the Jedi, who she thought of as heroes. At the start of the campaign, the GM had Palpatine come to my character and put on his best, "My young friend..." act and told me that he had an important mission for me. He was sending me on a mission with the Jedi to make certain that a particular planet was cleared for colonization. Apparently, there used to be a colony of Jedi who had been cast out by the Council for dabbling in forbidden Force techniques and I was going as the representative of the Senate to make sure they were removed. Peaceably ideally, but if not the Jedi would handle things. I was to be the representative of the Chancellor's office and he said that if I did this job well, I could undoubtedly expect greater things in the future. The rest of the group consists of our Republic soldier pilot, his Wookie companion and one of the worst Jedi I have ever seen played. He was insultingly cryptic whenever I asked for his outlook on how the mission would go, saying things like, "If the exiles are there, I will take care of them. They're beyond your meager abilities." So, we get to the planet, begin scouting out the colony site and stumble across several of the Jedi exiles. They seem guarded, not quite friendly but definitely not hostile. They ask what we're doing here and I explain that they have to leave and that we have provided a ship for them to go where they will, when the "Jedi" steps up and begins insulting them. He says that he can sense the dark side on them and that he can't allow them to leave the planet and that they will all either have to surrender to him or die. The rest of the party is...astounded...to say the least. After a bit more goading, a fight breaks out between the Jedi and the exiles. Not being anything remotely resembling a combat character, I run away and try to find my way back to the ship. I get lost and end up in the exilecompound, which looks a little cultish maybe, but in a Jim Jones way rather than a Colonel Kurtz sort of way. They ask me what the problem is and why I'm there. Just as I begin to explain, the Jedi shows up, walking out of the forest with a smug look on his face. The leader of the exiles comes up and asks him what's going on. The Jedi pulls out one of the exiles lightsabers and...I kid you not...this would become a legendary catchphrase in our gaming group for years afterwards...throws said lightsaber down at the feet of the leader and says, "One of your boys dropped this..." Needless to say, a fight broke out and my character runs yet again, this time finding my way back to the ship. The Jedi and I had gotten separated from the pilot and the Wookie, who were off fighting some hostile fauna and I found them, told them what was happening in a panic and we ran back to the ship, leaving the Jedi character to his fate by blasting off. My character went back to Palpatine and told him *everything* that had happened. I even had video images of the "Jedi" picking a fight, which later got leaked to the media...somehow...staining the Order's reputation. I told him that I had had doubts about his intentions before, but that it was clear to me now that the Jedi were a dangerous threat to the Republic and that I would do all that I could to help him protect the Republic. The GM and I envisioned that...down the line...my character would have become a Senator or something similar in the Republic and one of Chancellor Palpatine's staunchest allies, moving on to become a power in the Galactic Empire...all because of Jedi arrogance.

[@lorando-hx3or]

I was just watching ,,empire was right in Star Wars" when this showed up

[@emberfist8347]

Well the Empire wasn't right.

[@TheNecromorphkiller]

Whoever made that video is a bad person lmao

[@lorando-hx3or]

@@TheNecromorphkiller it is a parody of empire propaganda

[@williamchandler2937]

Just wish this channel would get back to stories.

[@desireedavenport1306]

Peace is a lie. There is only Passion. Through Passion, I gain Strength. Through Strength, I gain Power. Through Power, I gain Victory. Through Victory, my chains are Broken. The Force shall free me.

[@SuperSaiyanD48]

"And then *you* will be broken." -Kreia

[@articusramos808]

I been taught by my mentor Kreia. So I only see gray now. Like Jolee and even Atton. You can learn alot from Kreia, Atton, and Jolee. Too bad the fans see gray jedi, light sith and anything in between too weak. Heck even being a bounty hunter is not worth the credits. Too bad Kreia doesn't get the recognition she deserves. Break the cycle, stop both the light and dark.

[@obsidianblack7249]

Apathy is death

[@articusramos808]

@@obsidianblack7249 worse then death, atleast a corpse feeds the beasts and insects.

[@kabob0077]

*[Influence gained: Kreia]*

[@emberfist8347]

Kreia is an idiot. She isn't grey and you can't be grey because of how the force works.

[@trinalgalaxy5943]

KOTOR gave us 2 characters that show the problems of the sith and the jedi. Kreia is one, the other is Yuthura (your sith mentor from the first game). Kreia is obvious, she tells you flat out and forces you to look at your actions (be they light or dark) from a different light. Yuthura on the other hand is much more subtle. its less what lessons she gives as more it is her story that tells the failure of the Jedi, how a slave that was freed fell, and her consumption by the sith, she wanted to free slaves but became a slave to her desperate need for power, power that was never enough. only by walking on both sides can one truly understand the price of taking a side and try to find the balance between failure and success.

[@eggsandmoonshine8066]

Sith in my opinion more cool than Jedi because their emotion literally gives them power. Imagine being literally too angry to die.

[@joseestevezhernandez558]

You literally described Vader

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

Sounds like that power of love/friendship everyone hates and calls cliche lol

[@RZSFvOrigin]

There's a sith called Darth sion who literally resurrected himself with pure hate and was in fact too angry to die for a long while

[@eggsandmoonshine8066]

@@RZSFvOrigin that alone sounds epic.

[@ragnarthorson2066]

in old comics there was a sith that was just a head in a jar because didn't feel like dying so he didn't

[@alexhodson6342]

Glad to see this gain. Still remember the first time Darth-Janitor won it all

[@tonywalker3541]

Those jedi were playing checkers, while the janitor was playing 4D chess 🤣

[@legomaniac213]

At this rate, I expect to be seeing the stories of "Sir Bearington" or "Los Tiberon" in the next few stories.

[@Yoxiv]

Darth Shackleford

[@codeydewey8924]

If I remember correctly, it was Dooku who said the Jedi were complacent against corruption, not able to help even the slaves of Tatooine, but they can help the slavers

[@R3GARnator]

Revenge is a dish best served cold.

[@Gala-yp8nx]

And it is so very cold in space.

[@kalummattew5901]

I’m just happy that the actual players were trying to help irl

[@Kuronosa]

GIVE ME BACK! MY YEAR! AND A HAAAAAALF!!!!

[@evilallensmithee]

F-ing Chad level DMing. All my props are for that guy. Facilitating the Sith guy’s janitor act, making it fun for him the whole time, and after that _S- show_ of a campaign ending, he actually got the band back together?!, *and *took that PC and made him a NPC villain, the group could get catharsis, but let them choose not to too🤯 🎩 🧐🤏 My hat, Sir, is tipped. 👏🧐👏🧐👏🧐👏🧐👏🧐 PS any group that takes kids away from their parents to train them as a “peacekeeping force” is definitely a group of bad guys. That was the point of the Prequels, the Jedi lost track of balance in trying to maintain the _status quo_ that was why the Sith became so strong. The Force uses force sensitives to balance change and preservation to avoid ruin and stagnation. The Jedi suppressed love for fear of falling to passions, and that is the point of the original movies. Yoda was wrong. Luke’s feeling does tempt him to the Darkside, but it is his love that allows him to resist the Darkside, and thus spare his father, and then ultimately save him.

[@Bysthedragon]

Yes!!! I remember this story, it's the Sith Janitor!!! I love this story

[@darrellbrown964]

This sounds like a player who was playing a different game than the rest of his compatriots.

[@stephenmcmillen186]

Jedi: "The Sith are Evil!" Janitor: "...It's my lawn."

[@jesternario]

If I ever run a Star Wars game, my intention is to use various web articles I’ve read and MatPat’s videos to point out the Mayer holes in the concept of the rebellion are the good guys and the Jedi are heroes.

[@rojfm7081]

I have always disliked the jedi and loved either the siths or droids

[@beccalami4967]

The Grey Jedi are right, it takes both sides of the Force together to be a truly whole.

[@murderousintent7838]

no, these were just idiot players playing lawful stupid paladin archetypes in star wars lore, the dark side is inherent corruption, with the light side being balance, balance in the force isn't balance between both sides, but its just all light with no corruption that is the dark side the light side is the will of the force, the dark side is bending the force to your will, the dark side is corrupting because of this

[@michaelcgrigori7823]

Kreia and Revan are the perfect examples!

[@Alfredox314]

Oh yeah this one is a classic, i recall hearing it a couple years ago.

[@Sparkbomber]

Excellent story. I do wonder what the look on the players' faces was when their trusty mechanic TPK'd them and the BBEG.

[@kreenect]

Whoa... Cool story, bro. Love this kind of story, already sick with those good doers Jedi for a long time. Need this kind of story.

[@sigfried_thewendigo7428]

im on neither side of the force, i only fight for myself…but i will occasionally help Siths and Jedi when it suits my needs

[@Chirpysemperboy]

The Tale of the Sith Janitor has a good moral to the story: If you are good guys, act like it. And if you're allies are acting like villains when they are supposed to be good guys, call them out on it. Cause the main kick off of EVERYTHING here was the entitled bint trying to goad the janitor who did not want anything to do with training into a fight. Then the JEDI, the one who was supposed to represent order and peace, rather than lecture the entitled bint for her actions because that is not how true jedi act, gave the janitor who, again, was happy to just mind his own business and maybe even have his own Han Solo moment later on, essentially a lecture about how he wasn't living up to his potential and how he should take this on the chin.

[@tankster99]

In this story I don’t side with the Jedi but overall I still side with the Jedi

[@dolphinwarlord6908]

its nice that out of game they made sure he was having fun. it meant if he wasn't doing this they would still be a fun group

[@bryceaustin4995]

That's crazy I was just looking for this story yesterday.

[@tv_tim]

A jedi is a sith with good publicity.

[@CADJewellerySkills]

Hell yeah! This is the right way to subvert the standard Jedi sith narrative.

[@MagicalMaster]

What pisses me off about star wars fans is that just because the Jedi aren't perfect doesn't mean the child murdering, torturing, sadistic Sith are somehow the good guys.

[@emberfist8347]

Yeah, I agree and I hate the interpretation the Jedi of the Prequels were wrong to be involved in galactic affairs. Their job description is to guard peace and justice and you can't do that without having some level of involvement in politics as otherwise, you aren't a guardian you are a vigilante. I would also point them to the Plus Deia Crusades to explain why the Jedi are so connected to the Republic.

[@lydiadiangelo2588]

"Peace is a lie there is only passion Through passion i gain strength Through strength i gain power Through power i gain victory Through victory my chains are broken The force shall set me free." that is the sith code it talks about embracing your passions and emotions to gain strength and power eventually freeing oneself of the chains that bind you, not all sith are assholes you can be a sith and be a decent person its a matter of having the freedom to make that choice let alone the fact that Jedi have killed children before if Jedi recruiters couldn't take a baby from their parent to be brought up in a cult like setting where there taught to repress all emotion just in case it leads to the darkside those Jedi recruiters would kill the babies that they could not kidnap so yes sith can be sadistic and cruel but Jedi are even worse

[@MagicalMaster]

@@lydiadiangelo2588 And in what novel, movie or game was this in? I've never even heard of this assertation that Jedi kill untrained force sensitives before so forgive me if I am skeptical.

[@TitaniaBird]

I remain on the side of what some would consider Grey Jedi. The Sith tend to be unequivocally bad, since more often than not, they treat their philosophy and power as carte blanche to indulge in their most destructive impulses. They have less pretense than the Jedi, sure, but that makes them no less wrong, eschewing pragmatism and rationality for aggression and vindictive behavior. On the other side, the Jedi lean too much on their seeming moral high-ground over the Sith, while they secretly indulge in some of the Sith's worst habits. Teaching suppression of emotion rather than control of emotion leads to people becoming damaged by not finding constructive outlets for negative emotions, ultimately harming them in the Jedis' supposed missions of peacemaking and diplomacy. The temptations of the Dark Side become the strongest when the Jedi try to exert as much control as possible over their devotees. For millennia, they failed to learn as much from their own failure as they did their successes. Thus, often whatever growth they achieved could be easily disrupted or undone by the Sith. I prefer a balanced approach: recognizing the effects that negative emotions can have on us, but not trying to deny them. Utilizing passion and serenity in accord; building a better Force user in mind, spirit, and body. ...Unfortunately, such nuance tends not to exist in Star Wars, mostly because even in the Extended Universe, any attempts to bring a balanced view of the Force ended up falling back into the same ol' "us versus them" dichotomy. Part of that is Lucas' fault...but a lot of it is the fandom's.

[@emberfist8347]

Except the Jedi don't teach the suppression of emotions.

[@firstswordcorvus7368]

Oh I've heard this story before, it's great, I love it

[@Cyberpsychos_Dirge]

Funny how all the Jedi players stopped talking to him 3 months irl because he acted in character, but we’re fine basically confining him to the ship the whole game. Even tho OP said he was fine with it, it’s still pretty rude of them and they got what was coming

[@Nevict]

Didn't I hear this story already? Anyway, it's so good that I did not mind.

[@hellspawn3200]

probably it was covered on multiple channels.

[@razielkasimer760]

Ive ALWAYS loved this story

[@kmon1324]

I love how this story went. 🤔😉

[@ChaosTicket]

I heard this story years ago as "Sith Janitor"

[@cesargeney5268]

6:08 That was the moment that one of them could have try to insert the guy back "in character". " he can be redeemed" said the jedi, proceeds to not give a flying arse about the janitor for the campaign

[@JackBlack-qn7us]

Ah yes, the same story told by a different player. Thought that I heard the "Evil Sith Janitor" story before.

[@koolking121]

If there is light there is darkness if one mastered both only then there can be peace

[@articusramos808]

Spoken as a true user of the force.

[@kabob0077]

Okay, but have you considered killing the Force?

[@emberfist8347]

That is impossible the that isn't how balance works either.

[@emberfist8347]

@@articusramos808 Nah that isn't how the force works.

[@articusramos808]

@@emberfist8347 its a strange thing but, how the current feeling I have with star wars in general..... I am more happy to listen to Kreia . She got the right idea

[@EDIAV42]

I think you could have gone into more of the specific terrorist antics they got into but otherwise I have no illusions about the Jedi being anything more than people with extraordinary powers that can influence the world and be influenced by it in turn: Sith are generally more emotional than Jedi while Jedi are fairly calm and while the cultures do play a part it isn’t like the force has 0 influence over you, after all even your body influences you with various chemicals and such so who is to say the Force doesn’t either especially since it is a part of your body in the form of midichlorians. I even have this little theory about the Force being this giant entity/“person” (whether it is sentient in the same ways as we understand or is more animalistic is hard to say) and each individual person (and living things in general) in the galaxy can be considered a “cell” of its body. Now since it is a huge entity, it can’t control individual cells any more than we can control ours, at least not directly. So it takes indirect action to move things in a way it prefers. This results in it taking the side of the Jedi more often than not as the Jedi are less destructive (on average) on a wide scale. The Sith can be considered individualistic cancer cells that can cause massive death and destruction (force wounds which happens when many people die in a certain space in a relatively small time) and so the Sith get shafted in the Star Wars afterlife (quarantining dangerous “cells”) while Jedi get to be force ghosts and influence other Jedi in ways the Force wants. Maybe the bodies of dark side force users degrading with overuse of the dark side of the force isn’t because it is “too powerful for mortal scrubs” but the Force making a concerted effort to punish rowdy “cells” that reach the threshold (like an automatic immune response). The force doesn’t care about “good” or “evil,” the “light” or “dark,” it just cares about the little “cells“ staying in line and not making its “body” a painful mess. At least that is my own personal head canon on the Force. Speaking of afterlife, people who don’t even reach the threshold of force user may not retain their individuality in the “afterlife” and the same may be said about those Jedi that don’t become force ghosts. Just something to think about.

[@sirbobvonfenwick]

Never mess with the janitor

[@Silverserri]

Psychology 101, you don't tell a child/angsty teen to "get over it you whiny little shit" about his freaking mother, and then Surprise Pikachu Face when suppressed emotions hit boiling point and explode. You made the Sith, and it doesn't take a genius to understand. You don't get to be pompous and a bully and pretend like the Jedi are the good guys, then Surprise Pikachu Face when he kicks the crap out of you for a year and a half of abuse.

[@c6rn6g2k1d]

"Give back my year and a half!"

[@user-ob4kn3rp3j]

Ah, finally someone sees the Jedi for what they are, thank the Sith.

[@SuperSylar]

This is a way more likable character turning dark side than Pong Krell, that's for sure

[@emberfist8347]

No he is that guy

[@ummwht_y]

This was an awesome story

[@TRPWiz]

Heh, didn't need any convincing...I've never sided with the Jedi, and never will! Awesome campaign!

[@farmgrownnerd]

Gotta watch out for the quiet ones...they go postal 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@troperhghar9898]

I proudly say I am a light side sith

[@alexreitz3731]

There is no dark or light side There is only The Force There is no good without evil, yet evil must not be allowed to flourish. Flowing through all, there is a balance There is no peace without a passion to create There is no passion without a peace to guide Knowledge stagnates without the strength to act Power blinds without serenity to see There is freedom in life There is purpose in death The Force is all things And I am the force

[@loganlaas8061]

This has probably already been said, but you could say that the janitor had seen through the lies of the jedi.

[@kristophertarter2945]

The universe we exist in is grayscale with no clear separation between light and dark. The "Force" as it's called is (in and of itself) neutral until put to task. In my eyes: both the Jedi and the Sith are but two sides of the same coin. I choose neither and stand alone in my own pursuit of power and wisdom.

[@andreykuzmin4355]

Darth Janitor, you are a fuckin' legend. Serves those Jedi pricks right.

[@theeinertia4106]

new sith lord who overthrown the emperor, a janitor who mastered the way of the force fighting oppression and in the name of freedom and glory

[@todd452224]

Lmfao the fact that they blocked you irl is hilarious

[@ExiledSummoner]

That part where he threw her into a wall probably would have been sick af as a movie cut scene "I SAID LEAVE ME ALONE!" *Yeet* (Knocked the absolute fuck out)

[@aqua4426]

i remember listening to this story from the story teller channel

[@Hronikerable]

A Sith janitor... Darth Wilko...

[@gaz4553]

Heard this one before. Honestly the Nobel trying to force a fight and the dude being punished and be considered for killing is kinda derp. Glad he killed them in the end.

[@emberfist8347]

Well she was trying to spar and he threw her into a bulkhead. That is like shooting someone with a RPG for trying to mace you.

[@gaz4553]

@@emberfist8347 she attacked him from behind when he made clear that he had no interest in the fight in the first place. His reaction was accidental. She was deliberately antagonistic towards him. To go from the to a discussion on killing him is quite a harsh response.

[@noahabbe9107]

1:40 Yep sounds just like highschool.

[@RyanReidSpeaks]

“FORCE POCKET SAND!”