ALMOST cEDH WITH KUROHITSUKI - STELLA LEE vs TYMNA|TANA vs VAROLZ vs MAGDA

This week we're joined by Kurohituski to play some ALMOST cEDH. What do you think about playing cEDH with out the free spells or fast mana?
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[@nubnub8202]

Having steamvents coming into play tapped and not paying for esper with it while at 39 life in izzet seemed very wrong.

[@willmatson3103]

Taking actions that ultimately got rid of the Drana + Linvala without the ability to capitalize on it immediately was just throwing the game to Magda imho.

[@collint957]

Dylan gave Stella so many tries to not punt the game but he just kept doing it, what a great example on why not to get tunnel vision and play selfishly

[@park9199]

Please do more of these mini-metas. Would love to see what this format looks like with more subtle rule changes. Like what would this look like without dockside? What would it be without rhystic study?

[@TheGrifcannon22]

Heritage cEDH would be cool. (Only cards that were printed into Standard)

[@TheMattmatic]

I'd LOVE to see cEDH with the Conquest banlist.

[@robertwatson4840]

I have to say, the best part of every episode is Dylan’s face when he says “where we play to win”.

[@michaeldyrud7077]

Dryad Arbor doesn’t work with Varolz, but not due to Drana and Linvala. Varolz grants a Scavenge cost equal to its mana cost, but Dryad Arbor has no mana cost so it’s impossible to pay it

[@samdalfthegray4495]

Am I crazy or isn't the mana value zero? So you just pay zero?

[@michaeldyrud7077]

@@samdalfthegray4495 The mana value is zero, but there’s no mana cost, and that’s what Varolz looks for. It’s the same reason you can’t flashback Ancestral Visions with Snapcaster.

[@carso360rocker8]

​@samdalfthegray4495 Even then when a spell has 0 as its mana cost it has no mana cost. But since Dryad is a land also it does not even have 0 as a cost because you play it as land for turn

[@michaeldyrud7077]

@@samdalfthegray4495 Memnite works as you’d think, since it does have a mana cost of zero

[@therealax6]

If Varolz said "each creature card in your graveyard has scavenge {X}, where X is its mana value", then yes, creature cards with no mana cost would have scavenge {0}. As Varolz is written, though, the original comment is correct: Dryad Arbor has scavenge for an unpayable cost, so it can't be scavenged for that cost.

[@ecclesiaandune687]

fun game, i feel like kurohitsuki kinda just handed the game to nate though removing the Drana and Linvala when they had no more gas to actually win when it was gone on their turn

[@dinghoti]

Also why not pay for the wandering? Right before untap step?

[@nubnub8202]

@@ecclesiaandune687 they played very poorly throughout that game.

[@michaelatbarnett]

The background music is always so choice for these videos. A double-bass kick early into synthwave to close. Love it

[@noahmurtha4036]

I recently added Drana and Linvala to my sans blue list in cEDH and DAMN has it put in work. Stops Sisay, Stella, Kinnan, Thrasios, Magda, etc etc etc. it stops so many relevant commanders and cards that it’s won me multiple games

[@SmoothBrainPlays]

Best part of my Sunday is watching your CEDH videos. You guys are awesome.

[@user-kz1ve2ec7f]

Cam choosing the best life total.

[@nicolofavara3565]

Fun Fact: At a rate of 2 dmg per second it would have take the Hellkite approximately 127 years to kill Cam. Should we consider it a draw ? ahah

[@BadConAngel]

Damn getting rid of Drana and Linvala might not have been the play 🤣 but Kuro was stuck between a rock and a hard place.

[@Skrippy33]

Super excited to see Kuro on!

[@alexe5589]

CEDH ON PLAY TO WIN WOOOOOOO

[@brawlerike1]

This was super cool!

[@AdmiralSnakbar77]

"No fast mana rocks or free spells." How do you say no RogSi players, without saying no RogSi players?

[@Spirited_skiing]

This was fun!

[@peruru84]

I got my Gay to Win hoodie and I'm obsessed!

[@nonamenoface9487]

It'll be dope if you guys did an episode with commanders picked in poles lol.

[@TheWaffleDad]

Still the best channel on KZbin 🤘

[@MstrKipper]

Kuro's playmat is gorgeous!

[@TheWyzman69]

I can't afford all the fast mana and free spells, so I love this and hope you could do more

[@kukitanuki4037]

i just wanted to add that i really appreciate your gay to win merch and you guys as a channel, it means a lot

[@kaiwilken5330]

I would love for you to explore rule iterations like "no fast mana" further in a podcast. Thanks for all the entertainment!

[@jacenchrisbaker]

I think experiments like this are always interesting. Finding a balance between high-power EDH and the competitive side is something I wish I saw more. I think the Spike Feeders do this well, but that's about all I've seen, though I think it only works well for them because they don't always run decks with Thoracle/Consult.

[@Googleflax]

11:16 Why didn't Kuro pay the 2? He had 3 blue floating from the Gilded Lotus and only used 1 on the Suspend

[@diegoperezsommariva2509]

These restrictions made a great game! This is usually how I play with my friends but also without tutors.

[@patrickdunlap7]

Really liked this change-up with no fast mana. It would be cool to see other versions of these.

[@AulaGeschrabbel]

Tbh, that's the perfect format from my point of view. I just dislike all those free spells in cedh.😊 Thanks for doing this video❤

[@jonnybirch2268]

Yeah Magda!! Love that commander 😁😂

[@artofeddie7608]

Love to see Magda! ❤

[@ashtonbabcock2656]

Have you considered doing a video that's the opposite, where you take your casual decks and add in all the free spells, fast mana, super efficient removal and draw engines, but keep the overall strategy the same? Might be interesting!

[@reversalwizrd7651]

KURO!!!!!!!!!! Let’s gooooo

[@Inspectornills]

I like that you guys are doing these decks without the really expensive stuff. Playing with Power used to have games where they did budget lists and I kinda miss that. I think playing with a budget is good for the community since it helps to get more people in the door to cEDH and also there are tournaments out there that don't allow proxies, so we have to start considering more budget-friendly builds that can win if a player doesn't have access to the really expensive good stuff.

[@tkmoosey4436]

Look at that snuggly little pup, I am dead

[@GTIBROS]

Dylan looks mad blazed in the recaps lololol

[@Dracke24]

I'd like to see an episode where you go one step further and play without infinite combos as well as no fast mana / free spells.

[@nelsonmatos5948]

I freaking love this! No fast mana / free spells make the games so much more interesting

[@telph3223]

Is this a grassroots format? I'd love to see this format get popular. Is there a written ban list for what counts as fast mana and free spells?

[@TripsAhoy]

Nice game ❤❤❤

[@Rene9adeSU]

imagine someone slamming a Massacre Wurm after Cam made his "infinite" tokens. Man that would've been a fun way to go!

[@vladahermansky710]

Anybody know where i can get that lotr playmat Kurohitsuki has thx

[@DrPayne25]

Bump

[@HansonMW3]

Would love to see ruric thar in a pod like this

[@wizzkid05]

Hey guys! Any chance for next year's pride merch you can up the sizes? I'd love to buy one of the shirts but my shoulders make 2x's a bit iffy. Keep up the great content!

[@caseystanley4989]

Please feature the dog more often in the commentary!

[@XxcrazycjxX]

magda is such an amazing commander, i made a budget build with her and my friends hated it

[@yannishoermann1939]

This is exactly how my pod plays, no fast mana, no free spells. We also play with certain target bans (jeskas will, mana drain, rhystic study and fish, and dockside) and no hand tutors, and we agree it's the optimal casual experience 😂😂

[@Nine-cw7xp]

These are exactly my play group rules! If you want a fun 10-15 minute game where you race to get your protected combo off, definitely play cEDH.. but if you want a 45min-1.5 hour game of chess magic then play casual with these exact rules

[@joshwilcox3319]

Anyone know where I can find Kuro's playmat? Looks so sick

[@NickNicolay-ih4zi]

WOOOOOOOO!!!! MAGDA!!!!

[@fluffylegend294]

LET’S GOOOO!! Seen and heard, I ask for Kuro and here it is (though I’m sure it was already in the works) 🥺 amazing! My 2 favorite channels together 😁🔥

[@nubnub8202]

not paying the 2 for the Archiac trigger with TWO blue floating from the lotus + 3 other mana sources up... then they just let the 2 floating fizzle... these are some piss poor plays.

[@brendans1983]

Haven't watched the game yet, but which Lotus gave the 2 blue mana?

[@nubnub8202]

@@brendans1983 they had a gilded lotus they tapped for 3 blue but only used 1

[@brendans1983]

@@nubnub8202 just saw that, very strange.

[@treycuret]

VAROLZ Please clutch this up, Cam ❤

[@colinpatton1541]

VAROLZ!!!!!! HELL YEAH

[@patrykmilewski8711]

Is there any option to order playmat? Looks like sold out already on web page

[@grinreaperoftrolls7528]

PUPPY!

[@0wll]

I would like to see an episode with rakdos the muscle as commander, i think he's overlooked, and maybe he's not the strongest, but it will surprise you how turbo he can be

[@vincentrobinsonii9000]

They did for their outlaws of thunder junction

[@hunterstrong3318]

Ill admit lately ive been pushing my rograkh tymna voltron as hard as i can to see how close to competitive i can push voltron. The answer: not as bad as one would thing

[@paulmcclain642]

Normally I’m not a fan of Magic variants (I don’t know why it’s just true). But this one is really cool. It’s a nice budget version of CEDH too because you don’t have to have the Mox Diamond, Mana crypt etc.

[@alexe5589]

No need to worry about budget in CEDH since it’s a proxy friendly format!

[@bobthor9647]

Is there a list of banned in Almost cEDH ? What about Elvish Spirit guide ?

[@devan9197]

lmao raucous ruckus

[@dathore]

I feel like I missed something, why didn't Kuro pay the Wandering Archaic tax with the other 2 blue mana he had from his gilded lotus, since Suspend is only 1 mana and the lotus gives 3?

[@Hyorinmaru93]

Its so sad that the Gay to Win Playmats are not available outside the US

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

We ship everywhere in the world from our website and from our bonfire store! Just put in your address and the website automatically updates the shipping charge, the delivery method section is not indicative of the shipping address

[@Hyorinmaru93]

@@PlaytoWinMTG Thanks for the Info. Ordered right now

[@blabik]

Sethprobablyknownassaffronolive calls it Raccoon Theater. Imo that's the true name.

[@carlsontravisp]

What camera do you use to record this gameplay?

[@jeffscalise5927]

What was the purpose of casting blades of velis vel?

[@austinroy-stewart1268]

This pseudo format is fun. Somewhere in between high powered edh and cEDH. My Hogaak (and Grist) decks would be perfect here

[@lostinthewoods2201]

Hi, anybody got a good source for high quality proxies?

[@tranced42]

11:10 why arent they using the extra floating from the lotus to pay for archaic?

[@haunakahzombie7899]

Concordant crossroads would have smacked

[@gameboard1]

What's the name of the song in the background?

[@AnthonyWhitford]

Why would he not pay for the wandering archaic trigger on suspend? He didn’t have another spell to cast

[@harleymartinez7613]

can someone explain how dylan used varolz ability to sac stella lee?

[@MageSkeleton]

11:20 i really need a judge to help clarify if you can cast a spell "in response?" to an opponent about to be leaving a phase? i was sure you have to have something to respond to which is if an ability triggers, a spell is cast, or if an opponent fully changes phases? i do know, however, that if it is "your turn" even in the end step you can just do stuff because it's still functionally your turn.

[@Vraxark]

Not a judge, but that was a valid play. When a player says something like "I pass my turn" they are actually proposing a shortcut through the rest of the phases of their turn while also passing priority. All other players must then go through priority while choosing to accept the shortcut or not. Any player other than the one who proposed the shortcut is allowed to stop the shorcut at any point before the proposed 'endpoint' to take a game action.

[@petaznava]

Guys, read the description, “gay” to win playmats.

[@iclimbeverything2990]

Hey I think you guys should check out the new red assassin's Creed commander alexios Deimos of kosmos, he's basically slicer but you can run more protection

[@johnmark3977]

@4:45 Cam could have targeted another player with chain of smog on final iteration of his infinte token combo. Idk, might have made a difference

[@jeffreysmall1087]

Good game i like the no fast mana thing. Good job guys.

[@magmortar182]

I think ive seen this game before, i guess i encounter too much chain of smoke combos lol

[@TheNotSoMysteriousG]

Yeah, no fast mana, no free spells is how to play!

[@TomHickey]

Loved it. Perhaps leaving out fast mana but leaving in treasures isn't impactful enough ;)

[@jcprofit]

Funny how no fast mana and no free spells makes people not want to play blue

[@joshuabowers6431]

my lgs has a begginer commander league a mid cedh commander league and a full cedh league. ive been playing in the mid and the rules are no 0 drop mana rocks and you cant win untill turn 7

[@kellyperry5009]

Not a fan of this weird offshoot. I prefer full cedh or super casual games. This seems like a weird budget version. O well, still the best part of Sunday morning !! #beginnnnnn

[@kodybrinkman9614]

skarragan hellkite is the strictly worse wincon in magda no? not sure if ill see it in the game but its in the deck showcase :p I just read the title, fuck

[@Logic-cg7qy]

cEDH without free spells and fast mana? Oh, you mean EDH then? Also, it's called Rakdos Theatre, as my friend pronounces it.

[@Shinimawastaken]

Should make this a permanent format this was awesome

[@TsavMemorai]

IMO as a rough guideline for power levels, if you aren't playing fast mana I think your deck is a 9/10 at best, which is the top end of high powered EDH so maybe that's what this is? Almost cEDH makes me think you have like half the fast mana rocks, like you have mana crypt but not LED or some such. Maybe would be interesting to explore commander without any cards over $200 since that excludes a lot of those types of cards which are largely unavailable for most players.

[@emmettdouke6657]

With the two removals for the clock, would it of been better to target the roaming throne? Or did it matter by then? Cause the clock only works with an artifact dwarf in play also?

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

If Nate finds another artifact dwarf he can still win if we don’t deal with clock. If we deal with clock, he can find all the artifact dwarves he wants cause we got rid of his 1 irreplaceable combo pieces

[@tylercraig5633]

It also had Ward on it in case that mattered

[@emmettdouke6657]

​@PlaytoWinMTG ah makes sense, after watching it again, the clown car put in alot of work to; magda has alot of resilience, I think most every game I've ever seen the clock hit it's over, so I've tried to tell myself to take out the artifact dwarf more then magda herself. With how many treasures he had though I can see how it forces you to answer the clock ⏰️ since he can just get another dwarf right away.. krosan grip comes to mind but idk for sure 😅

[@ThePharmagod]

Stella should have copied twisted fealthy on the stack before wanderer resolves and just go infinite........................

[@FirewalllDivision]

EW Casual xD

[@dinghoti]

A lil degen casual ;)

[@sean8486]

Why didnt he copy the twisted fealty with the wandering archaic copy on the stack? That would've been ggs

[@lonewolfk9]

Drana and Linvala

[@sean8486]

@lonewolfk9 ahhhh yeah yeah that was definitely there 😅

[@elliotbanbury6442]

Why not play budget cedh???? It’s much more accessible! Lik no cards above 5 dollars, or total deck price 100 dollars or less. Or however you wanna do it

[@dgreenlonghorn1]

Cuz budget and cEDH don’t mix. Any “budget” deck can never compete with actual cEDH decks. Also, almost nobody plays “budget” cEDH since cEDH is proxy friendly.

[@elliotbanbury6442]

@@dgreenlonghorn1 they can try :) they played no fast mana or free spells this time.

[@dgreenlonghorn1]

@@elliotbanbury6442 and the video got less views than normally it seems

[@elliotbanbury6442]

@@dgreenlonghorn1 you’re lame

[@axismt]

Questionable plays from Stella Lee player.

[@Nine-cw7xp]

Serious question, are you two gay?

[@joshhorne4239]

I’m sorry but I watch you to see have better players then myself play cedh. And I’m afraid that Stella Lee player is so so bad. He floated mana for the gilded lotus used one of it to suspend the drana linvala and he doesn’t pay the wandering archaic when he has 5 mana open. So he copies it and kills his Stella. Wtf 🤦🏻‍♂️😂 I just can’t deal with watching bad players I’m afraid. Usually love your cedh games but this was just awful to watch

[@Gweezy12]

web cam games are really hard to keep track of everything cut the man some slack. This isn't the pro tour.