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[@corwinatreides9568]

I really enjoyed this episode. We have not seen jedi get butchered this bad since palps in ROTS. but I have never been a big fan of the Jedi or sith.

[@jonathanward3633]

I kind of disagree with your assessment, I really enjoyed this episode and it's one of the very few examples where the darkness helped thematically (I do have a very bright TV so maybe I could see more though). Anyway, what I love about this channel is even though I haven't shared your views very often with Acolyte, I'm so grateful it's not the hate bait other channels are focusing on, criticisms here are valid and not just hyper fixating on silly inconsequential things like Mundis age.

[@MarvelX42]

He did NOT say that he was a Sith. I am not going to go back and watch the episode so that I can get the exact quote (I guess you can if you want), but he said something like: I'm what YOU might call Sith. Which does nothing but back up what you said. That he is just a person who can use the Force, just wants to use it to do what he wants, that he doesn't adhere to what Sith is or might not even KNOW what a Sith really is.

[@captaincoolbreeze9429]

Just to clarify, Qimir never said he was a Sith. He actually answered Sol's question by saying the Jedi would consider him to be a Sith.

[@merkarion7883]

@@captaincoolbreeze9429 ^^ True. It is something not many have looked upon....that he said...for a Jedi like you you may call me Sith.... Hell we only know (Canon) That Darth Plaequis is Palpatines Master...everything else is Legends and should not be seen as a fact...we know how Disney is. We don´t even know if Plaeguis is a Muun.

[@Jimvenice2008]

"Ohsha RUN!!! But clock out first. That might be a workplace violation."

[@Rensune]

An "OSHA" violation, if you will

[@5353Jumper]

I really need her to complain about the lack of guardrails on some platform or catwalk.

[@michaellane5381]

​@@5353Jumperor that bootleg p*rn spinoff to exist where they change everything but her name and just blame everything being a shitty low budget film on just being a running gag about workplace safety violations.

[@Kingjulien1809]

I only get this joke cause my step brother is osha certified 😂

[@RoughNek72]

😆 🤣 😂!!!!!! Finally somebody else knows about OSHA. 😆 🤣 😂

[@nicholaswarman1597]

It's some form of Theseus' ship. How many of the ideals and trappings of the Sith do you adopt before you...become a Sith? I dont need to be a member of X party or vote for Y candidate to be considered a "Z", there is a level deeper there.

[@timb641]

I didn't think the lighting was bad. I also watched it on my OLED though. I thought it was decent. A lot of movement and plot advancement. Was supposed to make it move fast but it felt it was slow.

[@ZoRacer]

TV shows always want to have super dark scenes to set the tone. But unless you have set your TV balance up and sit in the perfect dark to watch it-you just end up not seeing anything clearly and lose touch with the scene.

[@ggCA07]

Even though he didn’t say he’s a Sith, for the sake of the argument, let’s say he is. He said he’s looking for a pupil and an acolyte. Never the word apprentice, the proper term for a proper student. Acolytes rank below Apprentices and alongside Assassins. They are assassins if you may (no pun intended lol). So Qamir must be a Sith Apprentice to Plagueis or Tenebris. If he’s not a Sith, then he was at least trained by them and may be looking for a student to help him kill the Sith bc idk they might have betrayed him….similar to Ventress’s story

[@darthamador5188]

While I don’t like were the franchise is head, I did enjoy this episode. Yes it had bad dialogue, but what SW show doesn’t. I do think that the twin performance and story is lacking but I did extremely like the saber fight and how the last 2 episode have left you wanting more. Hopefully the show ends strong to make up for the first two episodes.

[@saintjimmy_ajh]

Apparently, Manny confirmed that Qimir is a Sith Lord…

[@ianjamison8998]

Omg who could have guessed qimir was the sith.

[@johnwyatt2555]

Was anyone else as taken-aback by the weird cut after Mae stuns Sol, then Mae and Osha approach each other? Its cuts away to sunrise then cuts back and the whole set has changed and Sol is gone. It made no sense!

[@rulkurst6938]

Yeah that was pretty abrupt

[@ricopitulation]

Had the exact same reaction. This episode had some stunning lightsaber choreography but the show overall has suffered from some janky editing

[@thecaveofcreatures1728]

Thank you! That took me out of it so much. The establishing shot of the forest makes it seem like time has passed or they're somewhere else. But the shot continuity of Mae and Osha suggests it's only seconds after the last shot. I think it's an attempt to justify how Sol didn't see the real Osha when he woke up, but it feels like a failure in the edit

[@talcat8031]

Yeah it felt like they went somewhere else and then came back

[@JBzucc]

The scene when they finally confront each other I thought was obvious, its where mai shot sol from, that's why sol isn't there, the time of day changing though I will admir is a bit weird

[@Kazuhiroaka]

I feel like some of Qimir's scampering makes sense. Both when he left Sol and Jecki he was going after Mae. His priority is killing her so she doesn't blab. Even when he was fighting Sol and Mae at the same time his priority was killing Mae.

[@-Sivart-]

This is the same view I had. Also he really only killed Jecki in that moment because she managed to remove his helmet

[@tubby1833]

Hol up if his priority was killing Mae why didn't he ambush her at the Jedi Wookie's house?

[@-Sivart-]

@@tubby1833 because then we wouldn’t have an episode

[@CT-1975]

​@@tubby1833 because he knew Mae was gonna immediately run and the jedi would fight. Luring them both in to kill them

[@uglyweirdo1389]

It all makes perfect sense. Confusing camera work has been a staple of hack filmmakers for like a century now. It frees the writers and the budget director from the burden of visual storytelling completely.

[@enjayify]

Parent trap isn't where i thought this would go...

[@justinhammer3196]

I think a lot of other people did.

[@Crazy_Talk96]

When twins are involved always expect a Walter-David trading places cliche

[@uglyweirdo1389]

I was hoping for more teenager drama

[@michaellane5381]

Don't blame me, *I* was expecting the Spanish Inquisition... And dissapointment... ...Nailed It!🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@ZachSawyer2077]

It was so stupid. There's no way the Jedi will not sense that she was not Osha.

[@evelinedereu]

Maybe I am being too generous, but I didn't feel like the scampering felt too odd to me personally. When I watched, I felt like Smile-o Ren had 3 priorities, in order they are: Find a new Acolyte, Kill Mea, Kill the jedi that saw him. And until his mask got destroyed, it really would not have been that disastrous of an outcome if any of them survived. Even if the Jedi knew a sith was out there, he could just hide, they didn't know his identity or how to track him. But if his face is known, the Jedi will plaster that on every holo in the galaxy. That's why he let's Jecki live the first time, but when she destroys his mask and sees his face, she has to die. That is also why he specifically keeps Jecki and Sol alive, he wants to torture Sol, so he has to kill his padawan first, but I think he also wants to do it with Osha watching, because whatever made Mea a suitable acolyte would also apply to Osha. He wants to push Sol to his limits, and use him to manipulate Osha in accepting the dark side. Yord only survives as long as he does, because the first time Osha wakes up right then, and Qimir switches focus to Osha, and then Sol sends him away. Similarly with Jecki, he destroys one of her lightsabers, and then starts chasing after Mea, because he cares more about killing Mea than he does Jecki at that point, and he likely also knows that he absolutely can overpower her, so he wants to kill her when Sol is there.

[@KAISERaw17]

Thank you! That stood out to me a ton in this episode

[@blodhthringa]

He also made it a point to kill every single Jedi in front of Master Sol, not just Jecki. He is definitely playing a power card to show that the Jedi aren't the only ones with power. Plus all of what you said is true as well. This wasn't simply a "scamper away for necessity". It was calculated. The opportunity to either kill Mae and claim Osha or to claim both as an apprentice was the first priority which is why he made it a point to keep Mae close when he learns where she was at and then manipulate Osha as well.

[@joekyle6594]

Also, putting aside the in-universe reasoning for it, I feel like the running back and forth was done to make the whole scene more intense and unpredictable. There's something fun IMO about having a fight scene where the opponent's hiding in a dark forest and can pop out to attack at any moment.

[@evelinedereu]

@@blodhthringa Oh wait! I did not catch him killing everyone in front of Sol, but you are right! It was all calculated! He really was just playing with the Jedi, they barely stood a chance!

[@evelinedereu]

@@joekyle6594 Definitely! it added a lot of tension to the episode. Qimir feels like such a genuine threat!

[@graemeesmith]

Not surprised at all Yord was killed. I am surprised Jecki was!

[@stauxin91093]

I know T_T

[@johnwyatt2555]

I really like Jecki and Yord 😢. Kinda sad to see them gone

[@discombobulatedecho6025]

It’s a Sith tradition to kill children. Ask Anakin!

[@cameraman502]

I dont think she's dead. Too many people have walked that shit off

[@stauxin91093]

@@cameraman502 theyve walked one off,

[@Flynn58]

I will say that acolyte is a term used in both Canon and Legends for the dark-side force users that Count Dooku trained as potential apprentices to help him usurp Sidious. I could see him being a Sith Apprentice and him mentoring Mae in an attempt to overthrow his Master, who may come in at the end of the season to clean up his mess.

[@listener709]

Then a dark jedi?

[@WiseSnake]

Qimir getting carried away by the bugs is such a clone wars thing, if I didn't know better I'd think Lucas had a hand in it.

[@googlewasouridea]

Woah, I mean this episode was solid. Oddly sad to see Jackie go after she was kinda a badass this episode.

[@AKAHimself]

If she survived she would have instantly been made a full knight.

[@zachrohler1047]

The teenage padawan did better than all the jedi masters and other knights. Explain how.

[@googlewasouridea]

@@zachrohler1047 that happens all the time in star wars! Attack of the Clones, The phantom menace, even the hight Republic books.

[@maxwell_j_R]

Maybe he is a former Sith apprentice? Doesn't like rules = didn't like the rule of two. Has no name = Darth title revoked. Somehow escaped his master. Series eventually ends when his former master or the new apprentice hunts him down (Tenebrous as one of them).

[@maxwell_j_R]

Also I agree about the interview maybe not being accurate about the term "acolyte". And for this season, I actually don't think it really matters what Qimir is; that's not important for the story of this season. Maybe Headland isn't even certain; she'll figure it out when/if they write a season two.

[@failedJedi]

I think this could be a decent choice. Legends wise, this would be just when Plagueis is starting his apprenticeship under Tenebrous. Maybe Qimir was discarded and ran for his life. It would be fun to see him get recked by a true Rule of Two Sith after we saw him dominate in this episode. Not that I want to see him die soon as I really like his character.

[@taddad2641]

could be he jsut dodged the jedi draft and found a holocrom somewhere.

[@theazurefire91]

If I were writing this, I'd make Qimir a pretender. A fake Sith. There's a 99% chance that his "You can't fight the Jedi with a weapon" line is meant to be actual Sith doctrine, but what if it's MEANT to be gobblygook? Like taddad2641 said, he's someone who maybe found the grave of a long deceased Sith Lord who was buried with his sabers and armor. Or, like in the Darth Bane novels, there's an underground market for Sith artifacts and Qimir, being a Force-sensitive smuggler, got his hands on some. I'm reminded of a line from Dooku in the old Clone Wars cartoon. "You wear the trappings of the Sith, you fight like the Sith, but this can be imitated however." Qimir would be outted to the Jedi as a pretender. Thus Ki-Adi would still be telling the truth in Episode I. Qimir ultimately escapes the Jedi, but like maxwell_j_R said he encounters Teneberous or Plagieus and is given a...lesson...in what a Sith truly is.

[@TheFroneyZone]

don't give them that credit tho - this and what @eckhartsladder said about the Knights of Ren is waaaaaaaay too complicated and canonical for these Disney+ writers.

[@Rocky90145]

I really liked qimer and how he was played

[@patheticmango7631]

Its probably my favorite episode so far but thats not a high bar to clear.

[@fzdreaddy]

100 % agreed

[@eds1942]

Mae is unstable. But she also just wants justice. At first it seemed to be about revenge. But latter we saw that could also mean getting the Jedi to turn themselves in and confess their “crimes”. She left Qimir to turn herself in, because he was too eagerly pressing her to kill the next Jedi and she realized that that’s not the only way to go about it. She went with Sol to get his confession and presumably to somehow turn the table by convincing him to turn himself in. Qimir claims that he want Mae as his acolyte, but he is a Sith Apprentice or hopeful who’s using Mae to complete his assignment. With how he seemed to want Mae near as much as he wanted to kill the Jedi, I’m thinking that he wants her for his own scheme which ties into the central mystery as to want actually happened 16 years ago. I don’t think that when Qimir asked Sol if he remembered him, that he was referring to their meeting in episode two. Someone ratted the coven out. Just as someone saved Mae, and helped her off world and link her up with Qimir… My theory is that the mystery of 16 years ago was a setup. Mother Aniseya meet a Sith Lord, they got it on, and he showed to her to place where her and her coven could settle in. However if it came out that she, their leader had an affair with a man who also helped them find refuge, it would jeopardize her position. And since her coven was broken, they needed a miracle. So she found a surrogate mother, Koril to carry her twins, while she tried to convince the rest of the witches that they weren’t hers and that they are the result of a miracle because they are on the right track now. The Sith saw an opportunity to use this to their advantage knowing that the Jedi would be alarmed that these witches were practicing the Darkside and training children, and how these witches already pressed into a corner might be protective of the girls. But I think that it’s possible that Qimir was also there, and he was the informer and wants to use Mae (or Osha now) against his Master. The problem with all of this though is that there are only 3 episodes left and the runtime of Star Wars live action shows generally average to be just about 35 minutes,.. and now the Jedi need to conduct an investigation as to what happened in this episode. And I just don’t see yet how they are going to able just to wrap up what they already had to deal with.

[@justinhammer3196]

I think Mae was just afraid to fight a wookie. Then she was afraid of her master. Add in she takes no responsibility and is an idiot and that explains her weird actions.

[@eds1942]

@@justinhammer3196 She pretty much said that to Torbin when she gave him the poison (that he should turn himself in) and to Qimir, she said that she came relieved that she doesn’t need to kill him (without a weapon, which she didn’t think was possible, directly) so she decided to just turn her self in,..

[@eds1942]

@@justinhammer3196 The mystery for the Jedi isn’t what happened 16 years ago. That’s Osha and Mae’s. It’s what’s happened here. There is no evidence that Mae survived or of a Sith Lord. But, the girl that looks like Osha, was trained by the Jedi, and had been Sol’s apprentice (Padawan). Sol had lead the Jedi party. All of the Jedi were killed by someone skilled with lightsaber and with a lightsaber. And yet only Sol and “Osha” returned. With Sol claiming that it was a Sith, while “Osha” spins a story that it was Sol, and he wanted her to kill the other Jedi, just as he was responsible for what happened 16 years earlier. Torbin and Kelnacca had issues with the past (both are now dead) Osha had issues with the past, Indara is dead. It’s just Sol’s word that “Osha” it’s Osha, but he has attachment issues and is clear suspect now.

[@uglyweirdo1389]

The Jedi order exists almost exclusively to hunt any and every force sensitive in the galaxy, kidnap force sensitive children, and exterminate competing ideologies. Name one other established function or role of the Order. Just 1. Then get an account generating app that doesn't exclusively make sequentially numbered usernames. What the fuck happened to professional pride? Lying about shit you haven't seen in KZbin comments to maintain an obsolete psiop is an incredibly shitty way to make a living and definitely reduces specifically your own qol. Thats it. Fuck you

[@Jcewazhere]

She also just learned her sister is alive, removing a lot of the reason for killing the jedi. Plus adding motivation to stay alive and get a lighter sentence so her sister can visit and maybe eventually reconcile with each other. Assuming killing a jedi doesn't carry the death penalty.

[@samuelvis04]

Low key I’m just waiting for the whole show to drop before I get set on any opinion I have, maybe it will get better with the last few episodes. I ain’t loving it but I ain’t hating it 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@perosinalmc7143]

right way to go about with this show

[@spacedragon4478]

I mean you do you dude , however it is ok to give your opinion on a particular episode if you have it.

[@LovelessGentleman]

It’s an opinion there is no exact right or wrong here

[@coldshock5181]

Even if there are better episodes they don't excuse the previous episodes, just like kenobi

[@Sagrimont]

Please PLEASE PLEASE do this. I feel like I nailed my predictions of this show as of episode 3 and if they do what I think they’re going to, this will without question be my second favorite SW tv show behind Andor

[@ArcaneAvian19]

I think it's worth noting, he very specifically did not call himself a sith. He said that's what the Jedi would call him, but did not claim the label himself.

[@acendantoverlord5737]

Wouldn’t change the fact the Jedi would have no reason to view him otherwise. So everyone has to die or we’re looking at the dumbest most unnecessary lorebreak to ever happen. Fight scenes was amazing I really it, but the writing is terrible.

[@exxarkuun891]

Glad I'm not the only one to point out that he said the jedi would him.....sith. He didn't actually call himself one. I still think he's going to be the first "Ren".

[@AlexTekle]

well he actually does reference the sith code earlier in the series as well, reminding mae that “peace is a lie”

[@prestonroberts2941]

Yeah, if no one survives, there's no "lore break," and all the neckbeards can sleep soundly. Why don't we finish the show, and see how it goes?​@@acendantoverlord5737

[@coolglue9663]

@@exxarkuun891wouldn’t the Jedi calling him a sith be the same thing as the jedi saying the sith returned? So essentially it doesn’t matter if he’s actually a sith… hed still be considered a sith.

[@carbaddict7670]

I'm genuinely surprised that both Yord and Jecki died at all, let alone a lightsaber to the torso actually killing someone in post-kenobi star wars

[@SMiki55]

Notice how they had to make THREE stabs to ensure that fandom knows that she's dead - one stab isn't lethal anymore in current SW 😂

[@DefaultProphet]

Oh my god shut the fuck up about the lightsabers to the stomach. The only wounds survived are to the gut and people get shot in the gut in media all the time and survive. This guy Darth Maul you might have heard of him? Horns on his head? Carries a red double bladed lightsaber? GOT CUT IN HALF WITH A LIGHTSABER AND LIVED.

[@zachrohler1047]

​@@SMiki55shes not dead until they actually xay shes dead in the show. Palpatine came back from the death star explosion. Shell have some kind of robotic replacement or something stupid

[@DecafCream]

@@zachrohler1047palpatine only came back bc he had cloned my guy

[@saviorselfX29]

Sol, Osha, and Mae are the only ones who can blow the whistle on the Sith. We just watched Yord and Jecki, two of the central Jedi characters, get killed. Nobody is making it back to Coruscant to report this, and even if somehow someone does, it will be dismissed, swept under the rug, and forgotten about. Heck, I expect at least two of those three to end up dead by the end (will it be Mae or Osha who survives, that’s the question). There only canon issue is how this relates to the Sith lineage. I would not be surprised in the least if Qimir is either a pretender-as you discuss in the video-or if Darth Plagueis is his Master and Qimir ends up dead for almost ruining generations of Sith planning. Plageuis being more selective in his next apprentice, or even cycling through a few more apprentices, until he finally ends up with Young Sheev could work and could be the basis of more stories in-between now and the Prequel Era.

[@uglyweirdo1389]

The most powerful mortal force Wielder to ever exist spent significant time in the Jedi temple proper. The Jedi temple that was built on top of an incredibly potent dark side vertice. The vertice that this super Sith used as his evil lair. The Jedi wouldn't know a Sith if it bit them in the ass. Sideous gave Yoda orders for fuck sake. The Jedi Order is the funniest thing that the Sith secretly owned. Other notable Sith organizations include the Galactic Republic, the Grand Army of the Republic, the capital world of The Galacric Republic and the entire galactic economic infrastructure.

[@JesusChrist-ri2wx]

You make some good points Whilst I do agree in some parts (mostly the scampering off screen part) I do also think it was one of the better structured episodes of the show so far If you do see this at all I do hope you are having a good day Same to anyone else who sees this

[@jaxsonlambert9750]

Well one of Qimir’s main goals at that moment is to kill Mae and that’s why he is running off all the time. They hadn’t seen his face yet and Mae took priority because she betrayed him.

[@JesusChrist-ri2wx]

@@jaxsonlambert9750 ok this is actually a good point and him scampering off is made more agreeable (despite how many times it was repeated)

[@trehubb6144]

Episode was good. I liked the fighting alot. I gotta a small theory that the Jedi potentially mind wiped Osha like Revan was in legends.

[@SakanoboMusei]

This show is setting up for canon split personality disorders with how much may changes her mind

[@ZainMalik-mj1qs]

She's doing whatever she can to survive. How is that so difficult for people to get? It's not deeper than that.

[@kevinb2844]

decision comes from a latin word meaning to cut… when make decisions you cut out other options or in this case you cut your hair as a twin.

[@Krondon-SSR]

@@ZainMalik-mj1qs Wants to give up to the jedi, says her only duty was to her sister, tries to kill her and leaves her on a dangerous planet with an evil force user

[@KAISERaw17]

So a big point to your comment on the Sith running away a ton. He kept trying to get to Mae so he could kill her. It happened a bit too much but it at least made sense why the Sith kept doing it. He was going to have to kill everyone but he really wanted to make sure he killed Mae to limit anymore damage she could do.

[@TheFroneyZone]

well kiddo - u might want to go rewatch this episode - he actually has her in his hands with a laser sword to her head for a full 2 minutes for his lame Acolyte monologue - if he really wanted to kill her he would've done it. I'm sure the writers want some sort of lovey-dovey moment with the sisters at the end of all this. This entire series is just bad and lazy writing.

[@KAISERaw17]

@@TheFroneyZone nah not the well kiddo

[@zachrohler1047]

​​@@TheFroneyZonedont forget sol also wants mae dead for the assassination of jedi masters but he lowers his blade for some reason when shes taken hostage by the guy whos tried to kill her like 4 times in the last 3 minutes. We also have osha stopping sol from killing smilo even though smiko just slaughterd everyone lmao

[@TheMadTube]

Yes, the pacing was off for Qimir kept shuffling off to be a “surprise” to other Jedi in the next scene. The saber choreography was top notch, though. Some of the better battles I’ve seen in live action since Ep. III.

[@_Starhammer]

I was nice to see Cortosis effects used in live action. So there's an important distinction it seems a lot of reviewers either didn't catch or gloss over... Darth Grimcutty, ahem, Qimir, never actually said he was a Sith. He told Sol, "A Jedi like you might call me a Sith." When he did, it sounded to me as if he were mocking the Jedi for their tendency to make judgments based on ignorance and dogma rather than investigating and learning the actual truth. Another observation... When delivering his lines while wearing the helmet, Darth Grimcutty sounds like Raymond Reddington from The Blacklist. Not just a modified version of James Spader's voice (but it did sound like him), but the way Redd talks, the types of words he might use or the topics and perspectives he'd bring up. Can't help but wonder if that's intentional, or if I'm just seeing a connection that wasn't intended to be there. But really, without the helmet Jacinto doesn't speak in the same cadence, his words don't seem to carry the same intention. Loving the show so far. Old school Kung Fu Theater in a Star Wars setting. I want more starfighter battles, but still more of this please.

[@thestarhopper]

this episode had so much potential but mae going from 'i'm going to surrender to the jedi' to attacking jecki and not even trying to explain herself even when she had numerous chances to completely broke any immersion i might have had. the writing is terrible, in that respect at least. i genuinely enjoyed the first two episodes but the story has become worse and worse as the episodes have progressed. also to clarify: if they had established that mae has some kind of internal instability in terms of morals/personality then it would have worked, but with the way they did it, it's as if everyone forgot that she said she was going to surrender to the jedi and therefore wanted to be caught. i also thought that when the 'sith' showed up her next logical step would be to ally with the jedi (or at least hide behind them) because she knew the 'sith' would want to kill her. i also don't get the whole parent trap switcheroo thing she did, because if her loyalty is to her sister then why would she leave her with the master she just betrayed and who wants her dead? you are literally giving him the most powerful weapon he could possibly use against you.

[@HappyGingerWolf]

She was willing to surrender to the jedi because she thought she'd be safe from him on corusant, but once she realised he was on the planet she thought he would kill every single jedi and just wanted to get away as fast as possible The abandoning Osha part I don't have a great explanation for really, but maybe her motivation will be more clear next episode

[@rogerbordine7]

The episode wasn’t too dark visually for me. It may be your TV’s display settings.

[@loganbruh3340]

Sol definitely destroyed the twins home, hence the goading of his morales by qimir. I also think this show leads into how plagueis maybe discovers how to create life?

[@uglyweirdo1389]

Plageous didn't discover anything but how to fuck up so bad you unlearn your entire life's work. Tenebris was the scientist who discovered how to program force parasites. Yes it was the Jedi that were explicitly stated to have been hunting the awesome force witches. Exterminating competing ideologies is a Jedi's second favorite hobby. Kidnapping all the children is their favorite. Portraying the ugly truths of the Jedi Order is the best thing StarWars has done since Clone Wars the final season. Why do all these moderately positive single line comments all then say this is somehow explaining events that aren't a muystery and have been well known since the 90s and very cleanly recodified by Disney? Whoever wrote this is competing with that Kennedy lady for the SW creator who knows the least about StarWars

[@zachrohler1047]

2 options here. They make the jedi outright evil and do what you said (likely) also goes with the message, or we get the sith or evil folks framing the jedi. Doubtful. Then we have a secret 3rd option which would be hilarious. Mae accidentally killed her entire family.

[@zeyalderson]

Story elements may not be there, but I think the fight choreography is some of the best we've seen in a while

[@Momo-xs8mo]

The power of one The power of two The power of Manny Jacinto

[@emilsinclair4190]

I rly like the bugs attacking the sith bc it makes sense from a lore perspective. Sith attack. Sith would not consider deactivating their weapon when confronted with bugs attacking them.

[@zachrohler1047]

Theyre bugs. Why didnt they attack anybody else that entire time. All those lightsabers and not a one until the plot and time said the epsidoe was over like a cartoon villian

[@emilsinclair4190]

@@zachrohler1047 ? Bc they were not near the bugs? She used baut to get the bugs to the sith

[@Link-hj5th]

They may be pulling a 2003 Clone wars with ventress for "Qimir". Like, he is just going around with pure talent and power claiming hes a sith cause he heard a rumor or something, while in reality he is just masquerading to kill jedi or train an apprentice.

[@Link-hj5th]

@@acrane3496 Thats my point. Ventress at that point went around claiming to be sith, showing off and killing people, until a true sith showed up and then whooper her. This may be a similar situation where "Qimir" is flaunting about and then the real sith or a sith master seeks him out.

[@zachrohler1047]

​@@Link-hj5thventress was dookus sith apprentice... dooku was taking the spot of sith lord to hide palpatine. Ventress fails and is cast out.

[@nathanshkopiak9060]

I miss the old lore and fleet videos, most of all the factions compared series. BRING THOSE BACK

[@CDMix12]

Gosh there's a lot of negative and non-constructive discussion on this show. I wish I could be on a podcast with you and talk about this in the way that you have seen this show. I feel so alone in my Star Wars talks with friends, I can literally just share this button and label it 'my opinion' in regards to the show so far. THANK YOU!

[@orun0810]

How does this fit into the Prequel era? What are you one of those canon weirdos? Just let the dumb space wizards do dumb space wizard things. Don't worry how it all fits together that isn't important just enjoy the content and buy the merch.

[@KoalaTContent]

1:30 This is Disney. They could decide "she got better" anytime they want

[@uglyweirdo1389]

Disney is famous for killing characters permanently. It's the StarWars that likes to ruin itself.

[@SpottedHares]

I’m guessing the scene end when charters runs off scene is because they have small stages to work on and don’t have the budget for people escaping in starships which was a lot more common in the films.

[@Stragus_Macleod]

First of all, I also don't believe that the guy is actually a Sith. He has just bestowed that title upon himself. Another unrelated comment... Regarding the issues of characters disappearing, etc: I think this is the result of Disney trying to get episodes down to about the 30 minute mark, and making the episodes more consistant in length. A lot of people were constantly complaining about inconsistant episode length before.... and it looks like Disney was listening to the fans, unfortunately. I firmly believe that an episode should be as long or as short as it needs to be. Consistancy be damned.

[@ryanthunder3247]

im mostly watching the series now to see what wacky things happen next. i was bummed about Jecki though :(. actually a cool character. the cortosis is also cool to see.

[@duanethepirate]

Well he didn't call himself a Sith he said "someone like you would call me a Sith". So I'm not sure what he is.

[@techguypaul]

I've watched every episode and the lighting doesn't look anywhere near as bad as you show. Maybe I just have a good monitor lol Still not judging any lore breaking until every episode is out.

[@trystonshuls7069]

I actually thought that this episode was actually really good probably a 7 or 8 imo. I feel like if you can look over what happened in the last episodes it is very fun

[@IyoMaestro]

I also thought it was pretty decent until I started noticing more and more things that don’t really add up. Here a few examples: Why did Qimir even start a fight with the Jedi if he wanted to stay hidden? He even states that it is Mae’s fault that he got discovered even though he could have just simple killed her after he killed the Wookie Jedi and left. Then he again has the chance to kill her multiple times this episode and doesn’t do it just so the plot can insert another Jedi that attacks him from behind. Why does Mae change her alliance every few minutes? Last episode she wanted to surrender herself to the Jedi but then tries to kill Jecki? She says she loves her sister but doesn’t protect her in any way and attacks her again at the end and now she seems to want to kill Sol again? Why doesn’t Sol immediately recognize that it isn’t Osha when he can even feel that he knows Qimir while he still has his mask on? Why do the bugs only attack after Osha sticks the light to Qimirs back when everybody was fighting with lightsabers before that and it got established that they also react to lightsabers. I just am really annoyed at this point by all the things that happen even though they make no sense just because the writers don’t seem to know how to write a coherent plot. Things that make no sense happen just so that later something else can happen. At least the lightsaber duels were pretty cool I have to say. Especially seeing Cortosis armor in action was pretty sick. But immediately when anybody starts talking or if they try to advance the plot everything starts to fall apart again which is just really sad to see in my opinion.

[@dylanwarner7009]

Tbh the lighting wasn’t that bad, compared to kenobi and some other shows I could still mostly tell what was going on, partially because of the color-coded lightsabers, but I never felt like I couldn’t see what was happening

[@Jcewazhere]

Plus the dark + fog made the lighsabers look even cooler.

[@djn6962]

Acolyte is a rank in the sith order. Watch the moments before the Jedi get shish-kabobed, the girl with the blue saber is just swinging wildly at the air

[@cd5sircoupe]

All valid points of criticism. There were just so many questionable decisions especially regarding the direction & plot among other aspects. I agree that maybe Smilo isn't truly a SIth proper. But even still, if this news makes it back to the Temple it doesn't really matter if he's telling the truth or not. This should still be on their radar & invalidate Ki-Adi-Mundi in his PT scene, unless he's got alzheimers. I too posited the Knight of Ren theory last week. That's basically the only way I can see to explain this discrepancy in an organic manner and salvage what I mentioned. They're already playing fast & loose with the timeline anyway, so why not slightly invalidate the fine details in another piece of printed media like that comic? They've already altered comic material to fit into live or animation plenty of times before. Kanan, Ahsoka, Ventress, Ki-Adi iirc as well... Unfortunately this episode's dialogue doesn't quite support it, but you never know what they'll pull considering the plot doesn't make a lot of sense to begin with. We got 3 more to get through. Yeah I don't know what they're doing with Mae. But on the topic of backstory. Qimir plants a seed in Osha's head about Sol, she questions him, Sol says he's going to explain everything to her. Mae pulls the switcheroo and is now with Sol, and so on. They're clearly setting up Qimir telling Osha his version of events of what Sol is guilty of to play off her doubt, and Mae being told Sol's truth when she is there to finish the job & kill him. I don't know how it plays out, but it's an obvious telegraph. This show isn't subtle by any means.

[@sharkbait3429]

I enjoyed most of the fighting in this episode. I think there were a few blocky parts in the choreography. Especially when he was fighting the unnamed jedi. I think Sol missing randomly throughout the fight didn’t make sense. But it was probably the best fight since Disney purchased Star Wars. But as with every episode so far the writing has been terrible. I really liked the performances from sol, jecki, and qimir. I haven’t really liked the twins performance so far. I don’t know if it’s just the writing. But in my opinion the performance has been lacking. I wish they would make longer episodes, it could help a lot. Everything feels to fast paced. Thanks for the video though. I look forward to more

[@Ramthul]

I find it curious that this show is getting that much negative feedback. It has its problems, for sure, but overall I enjoy watching it. I really really really wanted to like Kenobi and Ahsoka, I even tried to convince myself that they are good shows. But in the end I had to accept that they were not. And I don’t even want to think about Book of Boba Fett or Mando Season 3. The Acolyte might not be as good as Andor or Mando Season 1+2, but it’s solid entertainment and that’s way more than I can say about almost every other Star Wars content these days. But tastes are different, I guess.

[@sev3060]

During the Old Republic, acolytes were candidates that underwent trials to eventually become apprentice to a Sith. So I don't have an issue with the term acolyte here. However the "you Jedi would call me Sith" worries me. Based on what we know from interviews I can imagine that they try to build a narrative that the Sith do not really exist and it's simply a label used by the Jedi to group all non-Jedi forceusers together.

[@skywalkersbutido6375]

Nah I’ll have to disagree,this episode looked and felt perfect I do agree Mr sith is probably a Ren. Thanks for reviewing this but too much nitpicking,not your best take or work.

[@sithlord7m]

Am I the only person that is fine with dark scenes being dark? I have no problem seeing what is happening very clearly. I keep seeing this complaint in modern cinema criticisms and I don't agree with there being an issue. The Long Night in Game of Thrones seemed to start the trend of whining about dark scenes. The one about the night being dark and full of terrors and chaos. If you can see what is happening then "listen" to what cinematography is telling you about the scenes. The Loghtsabers pop in a way we rarely see, and there are a lot of them. It's a non-issue, expecting a standard of brightness during night scenes is limiting. It could all be seen. I'm glad modern cinematographers are embracing darker tones to take advantage of current device capabilities. Stop watching on your phones.

[@7177YT]

It's just a badly written childish lore breaking retcon fest. Disney is incapable of making entertainment for intelligent adults. Oh, there's Andor, Andor the lone beacon of hope in a sea of idiocy. that show should be a lesson to the morons writing Disney SW.

[@briangrover873]

I think Qimir said he NEEDS a pupil in order to become a "Sith Lord" and that he wants to "be free" implies that he currently serves some other master he needs to overthrow

[@Shadowpack95]

Unfortunately you give them, the writers, too much credit when it comes to ideas and plot twists. These people do not understand Misdirection or Subtlety, what you see on screen is the extent of their Cleverness. These are also people who despise the Themes and History of George Lucas Star Wars, they do not care about Canon that was established before their own show and only their own show.

[@sofakingjewish]

It is REALLY hard to watch scenes with osha and mai. their dialog and emoting is awful.

[@sagasta1983]

I just watched this episode.... how stupid it will be if nobody notices she's not osha within seconds, with that crap on her forhead 🤦‍♂️

[@marley8318]

im avoiding all commentary channels for a week so i can pretend ep5 was decent

[@bluemoondm8629]

Is Qimir Sol's son? Will Sol fall to the Dark Side? He does seem very emotional and may have problems with attachment.

[@HappyGingerWolf]

Sol saw qimir when he was posing as the shopkeeper, if they had a close relationship he'd have recognised it then The dark side stuff I definitely would be interested in, seeing a jedi fall is so rare, we usually only really see post fall jedi jedi like pong krell or malakos, or jedi being tempted like luke (The obvious exception being anakin)

[@Ivbo]

Kylo Ren’s theme gets played twice in this episode, and it’s not a “Kylo like” theme it’s literally just straight up his official theme. I think this guy is the master of the Knights Of Ren during this era, but is also secretly the apprentice to the current Sith Master at the same time, and in the end the Order of the Knights Of Ren will be blamed for all of these events and not the Sith.

[@matrix-5466]

Or the makers of the show are really lazy and just used that theme instead of making a new one 😂

[@coldshock5181]

His fighting style matches up with Kylo's so well

[@Ivbo]

@@coldshock5181Honestly I feel like his whole design was based off of Kylo, from the brutality of his fighting style, all the way down to the robes, mask, voice, and even the actor they cast has got long black hair…bro’s a sleeveless Kylo Ren.

[@Arander92]

@matrix-5466 This is the exactly what it is, everyone is just coping because they don’t want him to be a Sith for some reason, despite the fact that’s what this whole show is about ffs

[@fdfischer]

​@Arander92 The problem with him being a Sith is that it breaks the lore The Jedi aren't supposed to know that the Sith have returned until Episode 1. So either there has to be one hell of a cover up or... he's not a Sith

[@mernferd6449]

Guess it wasn't Plo Koon...

[@akai1up]

I had the same reaction: Plo Koon! Oh... not Plo Koon...

[@Namel3ssWarrior]

I’m interested to see if maybe the fact that qimir can heal, claims he has no name and is sith if this is a back door plagueis origin

[@uglyweirdo1389]

No Plageous and his predecessors are well established. There's no reason to assume the showrunners have read any StarWars though

[@tw19771]

It's possible that he is Plagueis, and that the writers are slowly trying to get the fans used to the idea, by making him a very interesting antagonist within the show, instead of hitting us with the change of species outright. I'd be for it personally, I'd trust the name and the character to Manny, he's done such a good job playing the part, that I'd trust him with the role. He's amazing, no matter who this particular sith is.

[@johnsuarilla141]

Is it Jedi protocol to Bug-out whenever there's a lot of dead, and not check if there's any survivor.

[@uglyweirdo1389]

Yes. You also have to say Jedi don't lie before you lie and tell rhe children you're kidnapping that Jedi don't kidnap children. That's The first thing they teach you in high-school Jedi Children Kidnapping class. Graduate levelvJedi Children Kidnapping programs are mostly about the dozens of different schools of thought that shape modern Jedi kidnapping practices across all the different age groups. It's like 85% of what Jedi actually do.

[@Alpha99333]

You're giving Disney too much credit if you think this guy isn't an actual Sith

[@tarfeef101]

my general thoughts in no particular order: - fight felt almost disingenuous. even trying to accept "he wanted to go after mae the most" at face value, seemed like far too many opportunities for our "sith" to dispose of people, but he waited - yeah agree he doesn't seem like a real grand plan rule of 2 sith. probably a darksider who wants to assume the title for the benefits it might bring, to attract jedi, to attract the actual sith, just "cause it suits his perceptions about himself", etc. 100% agree - mae+osha still feel like meh/bland characters with no real motivation to identify with. osha seems to grow a bit, and the direction of fully casting aside her past and deciding to reject mae and bring her in was good, but the naivete to not subdue her properly when she had the chance KILLED me - mae similarly seems so flip-floppy about what she's doing, we don't really see her deliberating or going through struggle to change her direction all the time so she seems shallow and unworthy of our caring - seems our sith pretender has a jedi history and that's probably tied to the secrets mentioned about master sol? somewhat interesting - almost feels like too many characters died. i'm not generally against it, but i think because the main twins feel so lifeless, it feels like we lost more with supporting characters taking the L - so the apprentice had handcuffs but once Sol decided not to kill he did nothing to subdue/capture??? - Sol was surprisingly powerful w/ emotion, I'd expect a jedi who seemed to want to stay a jedi to get weaker with a flood of emotion as he tried to resist it. Anakin got strong in ep3 because he fully embraced the anger and wasn't scared of it, but Sol doesn't seem to match that profile - the bugs were totally a clone wars plotline, agree w/ the other commenter that said that - can't believe the apprentice just left the dead wookiee master's lightsaber on the ground after it was damaged! that is his life (as per obi wan), treat it with respect and bring it home!!! - the whole sabers frizting out thing was weird, we need some explanation overall yeah still a mixed bag for me

[@HappyGingerWolf]

The sabres breaking thing comes from legends, there's a rare metal called cortosis that breaks lightsabres on contact Its in a similar category to materials like beskar and phrik magic fantasy metals with special properties

[@nicholaswalsh4462]

I actually enjoyed this episode. First, I actually guessed who the Master was without seeing KZbin videos.

[@Hannex433]

Just found it funny that in the previous episode it was established that it takes an entire day to hike from the ship to the Wookie's house, and on that hike back Sol did not speak to Mae once? Figure out something was wrong?

[@Jcewazhere]

I figure he knows it's Mae and just wanted to go along with the ruse so Mae would come quietly. He assumed OSHA was dead or captured by Qimir/smilo-ren and had just seen the rest of his friends die.

[@QuintusStatiliousProcorpius]

MAN! I really love Episode 5 and Really liked that Ezra Milller Sith! His bodybuilding and Choreography made Reylo and Rosario Dawson and Mando Stuffs in Shame!!! I love this

[@412milspec]

5:55 starts a yap session where you’re storytelling for the writers. Stop.

[@jambobrenn8171]

Ight, time to unsub. These video titles, man

[@Celestial_Reach]

I agree hes either not sith or apprentice. He knows better to have an apprentice. If he turns out as the master ill have to change some of my good opinions of this series. It wasnt bad. Honestly its not that far off from some of the clonewars and other animated series

[@chrisblake4198]

I felt the deaths of pretty much all the characters the narrative gave us any reason to care about was gratuitous. To have the one character that sacrificed their life to save others (and look like they will be resurrected to boot) be the PDA Droid and none of the Jedi was insanity. I don't want to argue about whether you think Jecke was gay. She was as queer-coded as Star Wars is likely to let any character get, which makes killing her for no reason other than so the bad guy and prove he's bad is an awful example of a 'kill your gays' trope. Stunts like these are why I got pissed off with Willow halfway through, and now I'm dangerously close to giving up on the Acolyte. I don't need them to give gay characters (or ambiguous characters we're allowed to interpret as gay or not as we wish) plot armor. I just want their death to mean something. We already knew the bad guy was bad. Instead of this stupid back and forth an run around in the dark with no coherent structure episode, it should have been an escape episode. Have the first part of the fight end with Mae in custody and Qimir driven off, but Sol Yord and Jecke plus civilians are the only survivors. Then they need to trek out of the forest with this guy hunting them and every nasty thing within miles attracted to the battle and wounded. Then every skirmish has a structure, every death has a purpose. The confusion and tension are real as the Dark Side makes the night horrific.

[@ImBarryScottCSS]

That ad is too long foe a 10 minute video.

[@DarthCynical]

Sol just left all his Jedi friends to die

[@SIMONK479]

Mate this show is fucking pooooooooo oh my

[@emperorblackman5710]

My theory is that this guy is an attempt at an apprentice that will fail. He is the acolyte. Under the early teachings of a Rule of Two Apprentice who's looking to begin the process of overthrowing their master. And he's simply taking the dynamic he was likely taught of way too early, and running with it. He'll ultimately die and the secrecy of the sith will be safe. Despite it being closer to the prequal trilogy than any other visual media project, we're still not quite sure who the exact dark lord is at the moment or their apprentice so tossing in a failed sith acolyte is not exactly a problem. But yeah they did go real kylo ren-ish when designing him.

[@Machina_EX_Machina]

Meh, just Meh😂

[@denniswingo2004]

Half this video is the ad

[@7Stormwalker]

I don’t think there are going to be any survivors, besides maybe Osha/Mae going into hiding. She’ll be hurt by the Jedi and won’t want anything to do with them. So the Jedi will go into Phantom Menace never having heard of this pseudo-sith (did everyone miss the force healing??? - he can’t be). Everyone else dies. Also, Sol definitely knows it’s Mae, he’s just using the fact to bring her over to his side.

[@dutbud9049]

Manny Jacinto recently confirmed he’s a Sith, FYI.

[@jed1mstr]

"I could be wrong..." Yes...yes... about a great many things. From the fake Sith theory (yes that's a crazy and really bad take) to the complaints of the way this episode was so disjointed (which was the actual stylistic point to give you that schizophrenic feeling and give more doubts to the nature of the twins' points of view). This whole thing is much more subtle and in your face than many people give it credit for, which is a hard balance to accomplish. AND CORTOSIS in live action canon? Come ON! Give credit where credit is due please.

[@inspectahpoo5571]

I don't understand how people are missing that EVERYONE who know he might be a sith will die. This isn't a lore break at all?? Only person left who knows is Sol, Mae is obviously gonna kill him. Whatever happens to Mae & Osha is a bit more blurry. But the plotpoints are so obvious and people are still crying

[@staylost]

"Scampering away"? The Master was after Mae. He killed who he needed to but his sole objective was her until Jecki knocked his helmet off. It's pretty obvious. Your nitpicks are the result of a lack of media literacy, a willingness to jump on the hate bandwagon for this show, or both.

[@dogweapon3748]

It's just so bizarre from a marketing perspective for Disney. This is their first big foray into the pre-TCW era, it's the perfect place to take it slow and put out something that provides a lot of in-world minutia so that fans new and old can get a sense of the scope and norms for the period, but instead they've chosen to make it this *constantly* consuming, hard to follow, overarching plot that moves from place to place and feels allergic to subtext. I liked that the Jedi fit *some* of the classic archetypes (the dude who looks like a fuckboy bible camp counselor is actually spot on, but I don't think he's spot on for reasons that Disney would fully understand lol) but the dialog from them is just lifeless and boring, and it's moving a story along that we already know the conclusion to! They've been foreshadowing that the Jedi are responsible for the death of her family from the first episode! I mean, Hayden Christensen wasn't the most palatable actor either, but that's why Star Wars' bread and butter is all about the visual motifs! Show! Don't tell!

[@MerkFreeks]

Either Qimir is a Sith Apprentice who wanted Mae as an "Acolyte" either to eventually become an apprentice to usurp his master, or simply use her as an assassin akin to Ventress or Savage Oppress for Count Dooku, he's an early knight of Ren like you and others mentioned, or he's just a rogue darksider. EIther way I think he's a cool character, would be fun to see the actual Sith at some point in this show.

[@DanJVennard]

Hey Eck! Speaking of the dark visuals in the episode. Do you watch on a PC or a 4K tv? I find that watching on the tv you get the 4K footage with HDR where the footage isn’t as flat or dark. It sucks that Disney doesn’t let us watch 4K on our PCs…

[@antwan1357]

just got done watching episode 5 twice just to make sure I got the ending correct.

[@doc1912]

The cockroaches and some dialogue conserning the "darkness" were a bit too goofy for me, but I actually thought the running of the boy toy was pretty interesting. Focusing primarly on Mae, plushis stealth and that can just disappear if you get distracted is kinda cool. I like the idea that he ran from his sith master and no longer is a sith. But I honestly hope they don´t bring the Knights of Ren into this, idk... Mae and Osha are kinda weird characters that I still don´t fully understand too, Sol is pretty cool and I think it´s been obvious that he has been hiding something from the begining so glad to see we are close to know what it is.

[@admiralcasperr]

If you've enjoyed the combat, don't go and analyse it, cuz it'll ruin your enjoyment. In short: the show forget tools it's given its characters from cut to cut. It's horrible to see how awful the fight scenes actually are. The characters continusly choose not to get an advantage the show estabilished they can because the plot has to happen. I get that characters can make mistakes, but that amount makes all of them look stupid.

[@arcthedragon]

I think the reason he kept leaving scenes is because Mae was his primary target. She quite literally said to his face "Im going to tell the Jedi everything" so it makes sense to get rid of her first. It could have been done better but I didnt see it as a major issue. Why worry about killing a simple padawan when the person who knows all your secrets is currently on the run 2 feet away. Go after her, deal with the jedi later

[@MeetTheBlokes]

Yeah my thoughts were maybe he THINKS he’s a Sith or has taken the name. My guess is he’s Sols previous apprentice/ family/ whatever

[@MrJodrick]

Its interesting to see eck hate on the show and the comments defend it, personally i loved this episode, better than the rest

[@ViewTube_Emperor_of_Mankind]

I am just glad I cancelled Disney last year. Not going back.

[@xCriticalStrikex]

I think through some crazy plot Sol is actually involved with the witches and either is the father of the twins, or has had his DNA stolen and this sith guy is like some clone witch dark force summon son or something. Like he is related to someone here I reckon, maybe even all three of them :P

[@lillones]

Saying that "if your not a jedi you must be a sith" is kind of like saying "if your not a christian you must be a jew"

[@talcat8031]

No

[@ZoeMalDoran]

surely it would be more like saying "If you're not a Christian you must be a Satanist"

[@TacoKat]

bro u are like the least factual starwars youtuber ive ever seen, he literally says he is nothing but that the jedi MIGHT call him sith. He never once said he was a sith. where are you pulling this bullshit out of?

[@Jesse12489]

Or what if he's not a master but an apprentice who's trying to seek a Apprentice to defeat his master. Seether always backstabbing each other and seeking an apprentice to defeat their master so they could become the master and then the cycle just keeps continuing.