‪@alromaani‬

[@The3Muslims]

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[@kenza2534]

Gabriel brought do much during this interview mashallah, it is so important to learn about the quran and the sunna and learn the balance of the prophet mohamed peace and blessings be upon, every case should be treated separately we can't generalise without forgetting that prophet mohamed peace and blessings be upon him made an important wasya to take care of women before he died in khutbat AL wada3, let's focus on the sunna of bringing hope and not following stats and studies from the west, the sunna and quran have more value to bring to the world and solutions than any other study

[@kenza2534]

@FEAR KCP which studies and btw the prophet mohamed peace and blessings be upon married one virgin and women who already been married before and the same goes with the Sahaba

[@dom3073]

I dont know why Mahdi didnt bring in this hadith, he would have ended the debate in 2 minutes: Narrated `Aisha: I said, O Allah's Apostle! Suppose you landed in a valley where there is a tree of which something has been eaten and then you found trees of which nothing has been eaten, of which tree would you let your camel graze? He said, (I will let my camel graze) of the one of which nothing has been eaten before. (The sub-narrator added: `Aisha meant that Allah's Apostle had not married a virgin besides herself .) Bukhari 5077

[@kenza2534]

@FEAR KCP but this is a specific case this is what I said, The sahaba married devorced women and widows too, I mean if your sister devorced her husband because he was an abuser now what are you going to tell her that's it you have nothing else to do? Give the sisters some hope, life is already a fitna and you are adding to them more pressure

[@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543]

A big Issue facing Muslim men leads women to feminism is **BIDA!** It divides umma, & sufi batinis hide evidence & hence teach ext. taqlid, they justify this with imam extremism leading to shirk & grave worship (Q 9 :31). Tawhid ties to safety (Q 24 :55) This leads to colonies, division & women targeted, society reunites after the bida on secularism, when they should of been united on Sunnah - so how do we reject Bid'a for Sunnah! The 4 mathhabs many (Batini Sufi) imams use to push bid'a, they themselves said refer our statements to Quran and Sunnah! *Clear Sunni unity over blind bida'a division to beat liberalism on inside and colonies on the other side.* 1) Abu Hanifah : "It is prohibited (23) for someone who does not know my evidence to give verdicts (24) on the basis of my words." 2) Imam Malik : look into my opinions: all that agrees with the Book & Sunna, accept it; and all that does not agree with the Book and the Sunnah, ignore it." 3) Imam Shafi : "Muslims are unanimously agreed if a sunna is made clear to someone, it is not permitted (33) for him to leave it for the saying of anyone." 4) Imam Ahmad : "The opinion of Awzaa'i, Maalik, of Abu Haneefah: all of it is equal in my eyes. However, the proof is in the narrations (in the sunnah)." This is from the beautiful work of Sheikh Albani's Prophet prayer... *When we say Muhammadur Rasulalah it means our isnad ends with Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him whenever able!* The best interpretors of the Quran and Sunnah are the Sahabas, see Quran 9 :100!

[@eddyyusuf7034]

We have Quran and Sunnah we dont need feminism or red pill Alhamdulilah

[@fastng]

Exactly.

[@renatoc8377]

Such a reductive perspective. If an expert in education had some ideas, would you just dismiss them because they are based on worldly studies rather than the Qur'an and Sunnah? How about medicine or any field? It's amazing how simple minded some people are

[@aammujahid354]

@@renatoc8377 with big mind you found human Knowledge better than God's knowledge? If Quran says something bad then million human research cant make it good. God's knowledge just unquestionable.

[@fastng]

@@renatoc8377 equating feminism and medicine is what's sad.

[@hmzzrg5045]

@@aammujahid354 oh Allah give me patience even the prophet saws said this. Anas ibn Malik reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, passed by people grafting trees. The Prophet said, “It would be better if you did not do that.” They abandoned the practice and there was a decline in the yield. The Prophet passed by again and said, “What is wrong with your trees?” They said, “You said not to do so.” The Prophet said, “You have better knowledge of the affairs of your world.” In another narration, the Prophet said, “If doing so would benefit them, then do so. Verily, I had an opinion, so do not blame me for my opinion. If I tell you something about Allah, adhere to it. I never lie about Allah Almighty.” Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2363 Worldly matters we can take from the West what doesn't contradict the deen and understanding how women work doesn't contradict it. It guides young men in choosing the right partner. We aren't saying Quran and Sunnah aren't the ultimate guide but other worldly knowledge that is halal can also be used.

[@nonamepoet1132]

I've been divorced twice before, three children with two fathers. My first ex husband was schizophrenic and possessed and had locked me in a room while pregnant for 4 days and nights without food or water. I had just turned 18. I was rescued and hospitalised for 3 months. Second husband was viciously abusive and used my previous divorce and child as an excuse to brutally beat me and my daughter thinking I would never leave as no other would have me. I stayed 7 years and had two more children, suffering broken ribs, regular strangulation, glass thrown in my face, grave dug in back garden for me, planned and failed acid attack so no one would find me attractive, isolated me from everyone including family until one day he tried to commit suicide and kill me and the children with him. He planned but Allah is the best of planners. Police arrested him and I survived the horrific evil I lived in for 7 years. I believed truly that there was no hope left for me and only the most wicked of men wanted to marry me who openly admitted it would just be a sexual thing rather than an honourable marriage. Single mother of three children with no education or financial support I had only Allah and that proved sufficient alhamdulillah. I had men laugh in my face when I rejected them. I was 34, I remember falling down in sujood and spoke to Allah from my heart. I made sincere du3a for Allah to bring me a man who would love, respect and honour me and my children for the sake of Allah alone. Withing 6 months I married a man who was never married before, aged 30, who was beyond all my expectations in terms of beauty and strength and was was steadfast in his deen. He was not rich or poor and he was not too easy or extreme . I married him in 2020 when my eldest was 14. Three years later I thank my beautiful Islam for making this possible. If it was not fear and love of Allah, my husband would have looked down on me like everyone else in the community did. We are now like two giddy teenagers who are beyond deep affection for one another and he is constantly building me up in confidence and dignity. I share my story here to reiterate what Gabriel was saying. Every situation is different! My husbands friends all married virgin women in roughly the same time he married me....three have divorced in the first year, another brother found out his sick baby boy was not his biological son and another two are struggling to hold the marriage together, all while ME (the one they advised my husband not to marry) is thriving and growing because I know how to cherish a good man as I have seen the ugly sides to mankind. We fear and love Allah and we do not have disputes because Islam answers all disputes. So brothers take head of the advice of brother Gabriel! And sisters....wallaaaahi when you sincerely place you whole self in the hands of Allah and ask for his protection and mercy....you WILL get it. Bi idnillah.

[@amnanisar7696]

MashaAllah may Allah bless this man and you too live a happy life and make your place in jannah ❤. But it's saddening to see today's men of the ummah seeing divorced women as defaulted pieces and shaming women as a whole just because they have opinion even if islam agrees with it they still have no shame, may Allah give them hidayah Aameen. I'm really really happy for you ❤

[@Alidilman]

Alhamdulillah beautiful outcome for a very sad beginning I'm 20 years Muslim 16 years married.i ended up marrying outside the west due to being disenfranchised with women here in the west.i see why brothers in the west don't want to marry divorces because many here are not good.but as you said all situations are very different.every situation is different and must be treated that way.romani is far more educated in Islam .may Allah SWT bless your marriage Ameen

[@amnanisar7696]

@@Alidilman 20 years Muslim 16 years married what😶

[@Alidilman]

@@amnanisar7696 reverted to Islam 20 years ago Married 16 years ago What's confusing?

[@amnanisar7696]

@@Alidilman i thought you're talking about your age though

[@lulasuleiman9845]

As a divorcee myself, brother Mahdi's comments made me feel bad. Because our divorce was not our fault. We were married for 14 years, and had no kids. Then he wanted to try by marrying another woman, and I said okay. We ended our marriage against our will in a peaceful way, because I understood that Allah made men have kids no matter how old, but for us women the child bearing age is limited. Anything that comes from our Creator is for us to say, " We listened and obeyed" Thank you brother Gabriel for elaborating matters using the Quran and the Sunah in the debate!

[@ahmedalmahdi2185]

Sorry to hear that. It must be painful to have to split the marriage because you are unable to bear children. You sound like an exception to the rule though...May Allah reward you for your patience.

[@editorowl]

Polygamy? Oh no thats haram I forgot.

[@sawsankhalil9775]

@@editorowl did it occurr to you may be he cannot provide for two wives

[@shzammpatapon9865]

@@sawsankhalil9775 did it occur to you that this woman can't accept the fact the she will be jealous to have a partner that have children or low her standards of living to accommodate second woman to her husband. if she's married for 14 years with no financial delegation towards his children and thinks that her husband cannot provide for two. then you're pretty naive

[@drive-2786]

which country u at ,they have docs that can plant the spems inside of your eggs so that u can be pregnant ,,,or just adopt a baby ,that way u mold them as your own .

[@sarhan5568]

Brother Gabriel's internet couldn't handle the pure facts he was spitting.

[@FA9082]

I respect Gabriel but he is being very obtuse in this podcast. Cmon bro anyone with sense knows u should be very cautious abt marrying a divorced woman. She has already ended 1 marriage, what makes u think she wont end urs too?

[@QasimAli-bc2vc]

@@FA9082 what u talking about!!!!! It can be the man's fault.

[@FA9082]

@@QasimAli-bc2vc No its not. 80% of divorces are initiated by the woman, and even when its the man who files its often bc the women has not been fulfilling her duties. A lot of women divorce their husbands just bc they get bored. Stop being a simp bro

[@QasimAli-bc2vc]

@@FA9082 I am NOT a simp at all. I hate feminism. And are your statistics based on muslims or non muslims.

[@flash4901]

@@FA9082 just remember the prophet pbuh married widows... so if youre calling men marrying women who had a previous companion as simp then astaghfurillah you are basically calling the prophet as a simp.. Red pill has no morality, the prophet has morality. Would i prefer a virgin over non? Sure. But what if the virgin has way less takwa than the non virgin? You will just let your carnal lusts decide? This is the problem with feminists and red piller muslims... theyre very narrow minded in how they view things.

[@dawuda1986]

I was married before my late husband. Me and my late husband were married 37 years before he died. He had been divorced 3 times before me. Yet he was wonderful, he just married the wrong woman 3 times. Sometime others enter your life before you meet your soulmate.

[@kakarote100]

no such thing as soul mate sister. this is just like that red pill non sense.

[@Unlocos.]

She doesn’t mean it literally brother I think she just means the one whom you truly connect with and who is good for you and you’re good for them

[@dawuda1986]

@@kakarote100 it’s just a saying not to be taken literally. Like it’s raining cats and dogs, you know it’s raining hard. Not cats and dogs falling from the clout.Soulmate is like they are very compatible and worked well together.

[@anasshakeel307]

@@dawuda1986 well,you both were previously married,hence you both were able to understand each other better and not get jealous of your respective past.

[@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543]

@@anasshakeel307 yea and plus men are polygynous and know women are to be monogamous! so many women actually feel good that there man was with other women...

[@sammabrok6056]

I'm glad brother Gabriel stepped in and educated his younger brothers.

[@taimurahmad]

All perfect praise be to Allaah, the Lord of the worlds. I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allaah, and that Muhammad, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, is His Slave and Messenger. The Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, recommended marrying virgin women, as Jaabir ibn ‘Abdullaah narrated that he said, “I married a woman during the lifetime of the Messenger of Allaah . I met the Prophet and he asked: “O Jaabir, have you married?” I said, “Yes.” He said: “A virgin or one previously-married?” I said, “A previously-married woman.” Whereupon, he said: “Why did you not marry a virgin with whom you could play?” I said, “O Messenger of Allaah, I have sisters; I was afraid that she might intervene between me and them.” He replied: “Then it is that (which is the correct thing to do). A woman is married for her religiousness, wealth and beauty, so you should choose the religious one; lest you lose.” [Al-Bukhari and Muslim. This is the wording of Muslim] ‘Utbah ibn ‘Uwaym narrated that the Messenger of Allaah, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, said: “Marry virgin women for they have sweeter mouths, more fertile wombs, and are more content with what is little.” [Ibn Maajah in his Sunan. Al-Albaani: Hasan] (Sweeter in mouths): It means that their mouths smell good and their saliva is sweeter. It could also mean lack of obscenity and impudence because they still maintain their bashfulness due to not mixing with men. (More content with little): It means that they are content with little expenses and sexual intercourse because they did not experience it before. As Al-Munaawi stated in Faydh Al-Qadeer, the command in the two aforementioned Hadeeths is for recommendation, not for obligation. To us, the preponderant opinion is that marrying virgin women is better in principle, based on the previously mentioned proofs.

[@taimurahmad]

Narrated Jabir bin `Abdullah: While we were returning from a Ghazwa (Holy Battle) with the Prophet, I started driving my camel fast, as it was a lazy camel A rider came behind me and pricked my camel with a spear he had with him, and then my camel started running as fast as the best camel you may see. Behold! The rider was the Prophet (ﷺ) himself. He said, 'What makes you in such a hurry?" I replied, I am newly married " He said, "Did you marry a virgin or a matron? I replied, "A matron." He said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you may play with her and she with you?" When we were about to enter (Medina), the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Wait so that you may enter (Medina) at night so that the lady of unkempt hair may comb her hair and the one whose husband has been absent may shave her pubic region. حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو النُّعْمَانِ، حَدَّثَنَا هُشَيْمٌ، حَدَّثَنَا سَيَّارٌ، عَنِ الشَّعْبِيِّ، عَنْ جَابِرِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، قَالَ قَفَلْنَا مَعَ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم مِنْ غَزْوَةٍ فَتَعَجَّلْتُ عَلَى بَعِيرٍ لِي قَطُوفٍ، فَلَحِقَنِي رَاكِبٌ مِنْ خَلْفِي، فَنَخَسَ بَعِيرِي بِعَنَزَةٍ كَانَتْ مَعَهُ، فَانْطَلَقَ بَعِيرِي كَأَجْوَدِ مَا أَنْتَ رَاءٍ مِنَ الإِبِلِ، فَإِذَا النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقَالَ ‏"‏ مَا يُعْجِلُكَ ‏"‏‏.‏ قُلْتُ كُنْتُ حَدِيثَ عَهْدٍ بِعُرُسٍ‏.‏ قَالَ ‏"‏ بِكْرًا أَمْ ثَيِّبًا ‏"‏‏.‏ قُلْتُ ثَيِّبٌ‏.‏ قَالَ ‏"‏ فَهَلاَّ جَارِيَةً تُلاَعِبُهَا وَتُلاَعِبُكَ ‏"‏‏.‏ قَالَ فَلَمَّا ذَهَبْنَا لِنَدْخُلَ قَالَ ‏"‏ أَمْهِلُوا حَتَّى تَدْخُلُوا لَيْلاً ـ أَىْ عِشَاءً ـ لِكَىْ تَمْتَشِطَ الشَّعِثَةُ وَتَسْتَحِدَّ الْمُغِيبَةُ ‏"‏‏.‏ Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 5079 In-book reference : Book 67, Hadith 17 USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 7, Book 62, Hadith 16 (deprecated numbering scheme)

[@eagle.the.6ix430]

Can we please take a moment to appreciate brother Gabriel; he truly is a blessing for us all especially the youth! Alhumdulillah

[@CPTZK11]

But he was wrong. Islam clearly favours the virgin for a man looking for a wife. Gabriel quoted a hadith that went against his own point

[@ziarehman6752]

Nope… Gabriel makes no sense… he can’t even agree to basic definitions of red pill… if you can’t define it… Mahdi clearly pointed out there is a spectrum of definitions of red pill so it makes sense to understand which definition Gabriel is arguing from… Mahdi is right to let’s get the definitions sorted first then we can have a debate… so unacademic of Gabriel, so bro you need to go back and sort your head out..

[@amally7008]

What women is married 3x times?? Let alone 100…

[@amally7008]

@@ziarehman6752its mehdi who is dodging the questions.. he cv is weak and you can see he is trying to deflect any questions by turning it into a question back to Gabriel…I can’t fathom how someone doesn’t see how mehdi is deflecting and trying to squeeze himself out of answering…

[@Caglalaa206]

Gotta say, the chat was the living evidence that people are not so knowledgeable as they are claiming 😂😂

[@loveneverends9605]

That part!😄

[@ummabdullah4342]

Lol! There is another whole different discussion at times happening in the chat,once the speaker was discussing about parenting,n the discussion in the chat got diverted to dajjal!

[@taufmo2564]

@@ummabdullah4342 it’s either Dajjal or the qasim dreams guy

[@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543]

@@ummabdullah4342 but it is the end times, and dajjal isn't directly but still not unrelated.

[@ummabdullah4342]

@@taufmo2564 lol

[@jamessousa7565]

When I decided to marry 😍, I asked Allah to pick my wife for me, that would be my wife in paradise. I didn't care about if she was divorced, how attractive, how old, how much money she had, how many kids she had. I left it in the hands of Allah. And I alhumdulilah married the love 💕 of my life. You see, Allah knows best.

[@jamessousa7565]

@@growingirlz2012 You see, I married for Allah the Most Merciful, and I put trust in Allah the All-Knowing, that Allah would marry the best woman for me. And when I met my future wife I knew in my heart ❤ that she was the one. A feeling that can't be explained with words.

[@jamessousa7565]

@@growingirlz2012 inshAllah 🙏 ❤

[@jamessousa7565]

@@equityjustice2695 One wife is good for me in the Dunya.

[@hewav9319]

@@equityjustice2695 not all guys want more than one wife bro relax everything will be OK

[@jamessousa7565]

@@Zzucia inshAllah 🙏 ❤

[@IbnThabitVerlag]

At this point I simply like to emphasise how much I appreciate that Gabriel exists. I mean the work he's putting out there for free, let alone its quality and the level of knowledge - mannn, I am honestly right here praising the Lord ALHAMDULILLAH. He's definitely the kind of wise big bro/uncle everyone likes to have around and ask for advise

[@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543]

May Allah reward him!!!

[@sheikh8980]

Until his following is large enough to monetize and charge huge speakers fee.

[@IbnThabitVerlag]

@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 and also preserve and protect him and his family, Ameen ya Rabb!

[@sheikh8980]

@Real Authentic D why, you didn't like what I said. You are a bigot.

[@ahmadzaki1911]

My respect for him goes high when he has been asked which one do u get married to one a virgin two a women been divorced 100x? and he said the one who has piety.

[@kadija7086]

Mahdi is shook!!! Beating around the bush and gaslighting br Gabriel… answering a question with a question 😂 Mahdi needs to remember that there’s always some bigger and badder than you! Why doesn’t he answer the questions??!!! This guy is slippery mate.

[@amally7008]

Mahdi is divorced 3 times 😂… people who take his advice are bound to divorce!😂😂 I’ve had it with him.. he’s talking about women like we have a hyvemind!!!😂😂😂

[@omarmassoud6275]

U take relationship advices from childless blue haired feminists who live with a cat clan and slept with 100 men💀💀

[@suhaibsuhaib5947]

And yet he got 3 new wives a man getting a divorce and a woman aint the same woman have hyvemind and he is proff😂

[@OmarAlrefae-i5y]

Hes not you need to submit to a man a good man in order to live a good life. You are under a mans authority

[@amally7008]

@@suhaibsuhaib5947 hes famous and has money… so a lot of young and stupids falling for him…dude talks like a petty person… he got short man vibes going on for him.. they can be deceiving conniving backstabbers…

[@anmolays]

My husband of 17 years become atheist. I choosed Allah & my Deen and left him last year. He thinks I'm foolish as he is providing lavish lifestyle and luxury holidays. I was dependent on him . He got married this week. I'm happy for him and myself. Allah is enough for me and if my Lord will bring some one who is worthy and God fearing then I will think of marriage . Till then I'm happy . If Men are like Mahdi then may Allah saves us all from this kind of men. Our prophet times there was no shame in marrying divorcees.

[@AADD-kq6me]

99 % from u chose the man for his money, and when he divorce u. U say. Ohhh men are bad. I don.t have any problem with divorced women, but that is ur choise, u wanted money and material things above of the Deen of man. Alot of muslim women even not ask if the guy pray or not. When the priority for alot of u is the money, the end of marry will be very sad

[@officialyusra]

@@AADD-kq6me i dont think money would be the biggest factor when a good Muslim women is thinking about marriage, surely it is important because he needs to be able to support a family, a man must provide for his wife so there is no "gold digging" in Islam as westerners would call it because Muslim women basically live off of their husbands. but 100% deen would matter more. But why are you telling this sister she chose money over deen? she said she divorced the man because he became athiest. it is not permissible to marry an athiest so she had to divorce him, and if you think he wasn't on the deen before marriage, think about it, people can change a lot between 17 years. allah guides who he wills and misguides who he wills. and finally allah tells us to avoid negative assumption ( quran 49:12 ) so we shouldn't throw accusations or make assumptions about our brothers and sisters.

[@barrysanders1013]

Respect to your sister for making the right decision in leaving a kafir but you must admit that the women from the past were far superior to the women today. The reasons most men avoid divorcees today are valid

[@AADD-kq6me]

@@officialyusra I never trust women's words, most of u lie to justify divorce. I know some women who used the law against the man in order to divorce and obtain money and alimony. most of you see a man as a bank and he must be exploited in every possible way. many muslim girls choose a handsome young man who has money and do not care about religion or if a young man prays. when divorce occurs, she lies and says that he is bad, even though the woman chose him based on material criteria. Most of you now have feminist ideas that are completely anti-Islamic and encourage socializing in workplaces and laughing with other men. despite this, when a man demands that his wife be polite because the man has authority over the woman, you begin to wail, make false allegations, and insult men . There is just good feminist muslim women, and bad feminist muslim women and very rare good muslim women.

[@AADD-kq6me]

@@officialyusra look at youtube or any dialogue in defense of Islam. I rarely see a muslim woman defending her religion, and most of them reverts, but there are thousands of videos in which muslim women cry and say that muslim men oppress her, and videos of muslim women about works, about beinig with other men, about women’s rights and about the duties of the husband, about material gains for women from marriage. but none of you have a tongue to defend her religion. even some of muslim women use the western law to insult their husband, and destroy his life. Sorry but i can just trust my religion, my brothers in islam, my family and my real sister, but don.t new liberal muslim women.

[@maidakhan6974]

Gabriela is honestly the example of a solid Muslim man, thankGod for people like him

[@tawAAkul]

If he is against divorce then discuss why people get divorced these days. His 'war' is fought in an illogical way. Brother Gabriel is just so logical on these matters MashaAllah

[@smeshcel3025]

44:12 i feel like cooks everywhere are kicking air right now COOKLIVESMATTER

[@btb554]

​@@smeshcel3025 Who's Cook?

[@deadcat1o173]

thank god there are ppl like gabriel in this world.

[@syedmaazahmed6006]

الْحَمْدُ للَّهِ رَبِّ الْعَـلَمِينَ

[@IM-3000]

👍👍👍👏👍👏👍

[@suhaibsuhaib5947]

He is a loser😂

[@mbb628]

Masha’Allah brother Gabriel makes many great points. Each case is different and context is key. I am a revert and I’ve been married to my God sent husband whom is always very strong in his Imán and saw me as a beautiful woman inside and out with a past and having children. Nine years later and two added children to the family, we are very happy and closer to our faith than we have ever been Masha’Allah ❤

[@waqstar7067]

Which points

[@solodolo4235]

“O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result.” Quran 4:59

[@ali_noore]

BarakAllahu feek akhee

[@1purpose482]

Follow what Allah and his Messenger teach, not people's opinions.

[@loveneverends9605]

Subhan’Allah!

[@legend5735]

@@abrek6970 also to maintain women Even if they are divorced Whats your point?

[@muhammadmafaz8530]

Anyone can have acceptable opinion unless it's against teaching of Islam.

[@lionofallah3441]

True- still doesn’t change the fact that women are hypergamous by nature.

[@branis96]

Every Muslim with more Islamic knowledge will completely agree with Brother Gabriel and not Brother Mehdi on the first topic i can't even believe how some people in the comments (in an Islamic channel) are saying the opposite? everyone has his opinion of course .. but people need to learn and read more about Islam, if you do you won't need anyone to teach you about how societies work and I'm pretty sure this is Gabriels point

[@thenilechild21]

I actually think Mahdi made better points. Allah knows best.

[@RmonK2000]

Facts 💯

[@najwaismail8801]

Exactly 💯

[@najwaismail8801]

​@@thenilechild21 you're uneducated in Islam full stop ✋️

[@hafsa1698]

I think it's really gross that there are men who think women will start divorcing as easily as changing clothes if you speak nicely about them. NO WOMEN WANTS DIVIRCE. Every little girl dreams about a marriage that is beautiful and lasts forever. In fact, divorce is a big fear amongst girls so this notion that if you talk about divorced women nicely it's gonna induce more women to divorced is utterly rubbish.

[@ilyasbob8651]

My Sister i agree with you. The problem is that we are scared of each other. If we only stick to what quran and sunnah we would be good But we been hurting each other by stupid games(ghosting,cheating) and we want to have it all to the point that we dont trust anyone. Now all we can do is praying all to chose to us the good partner.

[@JonJamzy]

We can also make the argument that no MAN wants a divorce otherwise what’s the point of marriage. That statement you made is purely emotional and if it was true then WHY are most divorces nowadays are initiated by women?

[@osmans1694]

But that’s literally the case in west. Divorce rate is at 60% and 85% initiated by women.

[@BruvahSulaiman]

@@osmans1694 Western divorce rate is the result of Western culture. We don't submit to Western culture and are repulsed by Western secular ppl men and women so why would we expect to be affected by this divorce rate?

[@BruvahSulaiman]

The ummah suffers from mass anxiety. Everyone is afraid of their worst fears coming true. Too many men and women assume that the other is just trying to get over on them and they don't trust Allah to protect them at all from ppl with bad intentions.

[@mohilly9157]

I had fell under the spell of the red pill ideology but I had to sit back and revaluate my views on women from what I was watching and even my sister and mother had to tell me and put me in my place you should only judge a sister on her taqwah because like what the shiekh said every situation is very different🙏

[@chimp4099]

I know😥...my brother is falling into the same idea of red pill... I wish I could tell him it's like feminism just for men.

[@michaelzabala6739]

Red pill is right pretty much about everything except sleeping around as a man.

[@waqstar7067]

It's a praxology

[@amally7008]

@@waqstar7067yes… but it’s ruining our brothers… it’s discouraging men to get married..

[@suhaibsuhaib5947]

​@@amally7008not really just telling the truth why would anyone marry a divorce

[@MsPearl2001]

I definitely agree with Brother Gabriel! Keep up the good work! May Allah bless you!

[@sss0099]

Jazak Allah Khair, brother Gabriel, thank you for sticking to Quran and sunnah.

[@تسمية]

Why is there a need to turn to things like red pill when we have the Qur'an and Sunnah. Are they not sufficient for you? Anything you find beneficial from these movements (or whatever you want to call them), Islam will provide in a better, purer, completely uncorrupted way. There is literally no need for them in the life of a Muslim. Strengthen your faith and find your answers within it.

[@YousufMohammed98]

Idk much about the red pill movement and have only been introduced to it to some degree in this video, but all I can say is I couldn't help but resonate with everything brother Gabriel had to say. All his points full of wisdom and very well addressing the fallacies of brother Mahdi's claims. Brother Mahdi on the other hand appeared to be dodging and twisting most of brother Gabriel's claims and arguments perhaps unintentionally. No hate for brother Mahdi but I really think there are issues with his black and white nature of addressing the matter.

[@YousufMohammed98]

@@a-n3135 Jazakallah khair akhi for the advice. Will take a look at your comment and will sure stay away from it. The Quran and authentic Sunnah as explained by trusted scholars should suffice us in matters of creed, alhamdulillah.

[@aammujahid354]

@@equityjustice2695 brother, when brother gabrial got out of line?

[@kakarote100]

@@aammujahid354 he's a die hard supporter of jahiliya. don't mind him. treat him like you'd treat a feminists. they're nobodies.

[@yotubeinternethypocrite8412]

@@kakarote100 have you married a divorce/widow?.

[@kakarote100]

@@yotubeinternethypocrite8412 What if I have? Pick sunnah over jahiliya, always, even if your own experience doesn't go well with the sunnah.

[@LifeInProgress12]

It's very sad such things are being said about divorced women from their brothers in faith. Marrying anyone whether divorced or not involves a process of vetting, according to each person's requirements. But to generalise to such an extent, it is so damaging to those who are often so vulnerable.

[@yotubeinternethypocrite8412]

There are so called muslim women with non muslim husband's, boyfriends not every woman is innocent.

[@deedeee6271]

@@yotubeinternethypocrite8412 you should be banned.

[@yotubeinternethypocrite8412]

@@deedeee6271 lol why, truth hurts doesn't it? Or are you one of these women,is that why you are offended?

[@96muslimgirl]

@@yotubeinternethypocrite8412 nor is every man innocent. nor is every man or woman guilty

[@purplelove3666]

Honestly I am not suprised at anything that comes out of a Muslim man's mouth

[@hamzahmenshawi5991]

I like how it's always the men's job to help women when they're having difficulties remarrying. They say man up, we have to marry them for the ummah. okay what about poor and humble men?? Wealthy women should step up and marry them. Like, The Prophet Muhammed and Khadijah RA.

[@ahmedalmahdi2185]

Suddenly all the divorcee women are quiet...lol. We get it, you have your preference for tall and rich men, that's fine. As a tall rich man myself, I am entitled to the preference of young, beautiful and virgin women. Don't chastise me for wanting what I want, the only difference is I am more likely to get what I want than you are, because my expectations are on par with what I have to offer, as opposed to you, a divorced woman wanting to marry a tall, rich man.

[@dspd0140]

Dude, you are the man. Don't complain like this. Even if you were to marry a girl richer than you you'd have to provide. Khadija (May Allah agree with her) wasn't just the richest, she was the best in character among the women. All rich women aren't like her. Women in general don't marry people of lower status, it's men who do this without issues. But we can marry four wives while they can't.

[@ahmedalmahdi2185]

@Aaliyah Powell Yes, I agree. Which is why I'm astounded that Gabriel did not once mention that divorced women are best made second or third wives, so that they have the provision and protection of a man. Instead he waffled on about how it is Sunnah to marry divorcees, never mentioning the context in which they are best suited as co-wives and not the first option. His discourse seems to encourage divorced women to seek high value men as if they were on equal playing grounds to non-married virgin women.

[@blueflame3531]

@Aaliyah Powell They can't. Because their wives will divorce them. Plus who allows polygamy? A few of the muslim people. Who can provide money, clothing, shelter for two wives? We already live in a one income society. Polygamy is not possible in today's climate.

[@sheikh8980]

@@ahmedalmahdi2185 he needs his viewers, as his online presence increases he shall do what needs to be done in order to placate his female fans so to speak.

[@96muslimgirl]

subhanaLlah, even though brother Gabriels audio keeps cutting off, but his arguments still stand strong subhanaLlah

[@IM-3000]

Brother Gabriel is a real MAN🦁

[@seekfactsnotfiction9056]

_"Sometimes the people with the worst past create the best future"_ - Umar Ibn Al-Khattab *رضي الله عنه وأرضاه*

[@josephstar1883]

😂 Umar RA didn't mean body counts. And you can't compare the sahaba to our generation. When we are like them then you can use his quote!

[@MahdiTidjani]

Sometimes

[@seekfactsnotfiction9056]

@@MahdiTidjani _I didn't know about you, but I am going to watch your content insha'Allah._ بارك الله فيك أخى الكريم

[@josephstar1883]

@@MahdiTidjani And that too LOL

[@goldencalf8441]

Doesn’t mean you HAVE TO be with someone with a bad past after they’ve changed.

[@sj4695]

If women who had previous partners deserved the greatest man to walk this earth, who are we to say those women don't deserve a future marriage and can't be a good wife

[@mohamedyousuf8637]

Not comparable

[@ADAMS_ECOM]

@@mohamedyousuf8637 dude are you serious? The prophet is our idol to be followed as possible as we can what the hell is not comparable in that!!! explain to us please ?

[@AADD-kq6me]

​@@ADAMS_ECOM u compare the sahabiat with the feminists muslim women?? . In the most cases are the women responsible for the divorce. Now it is very hard to find good muslim girl to marry her. 100 years ago i will marry any muslim woman. Look at our societies and how women destroy them morality and u not even want to marry

[@jba221]

Thank you brother Gabriel for addressing this issue. Brother Mahdi is causing alot of issues.

[@ImConnectedTv]

I lost respect for brother mahdi. He's clearly bitter, because he's been divorced multiple times. it seems like he's trying to torture his ex-wives, and divorced women in general are just collateral damage. His thought process is dangerous as he is taking stats from non Muslims and applying them to islam.

[@BDKing-hh7pk]

But isn't Muslim lots of Muslim sisters behave same way as non Muslim sisters?

[@sarahm4516]

yes i agree, any woman who spent so much time hating on divorced men, then we find out she herself has been divorced 3 times like mahdi, would be told just to be quiet and go and work on her bitterness but mahdi being divorced more times then the average muslim, being arrested and jailed for domestic abuse has nothing better to do then hate on divorced women, because he is mad they left him and he lost control

[@jarellsmith2479]

People have to release that brother Gabriel’s easily/academically refuting brother Mahdi on this issue in a language foreign to him takes NEXT level studying and intellect. May Allah bless and guide both of them ❤️.

[@esthellakomerl8084]

Brother Gabriel is worthy of respect and our appreciation. Jzk for your response to mahdi.

[@shahzadrashid7178]

I think mahdi has woman issues, sounds like he has hate in his heart for certain women, you shouldn't judge women for what you see or hear, you don't know their situation or reason why they are the way they are, you should always look at people with a clean heart and open mind. You should blame the people that currupt people for their own gains whether it is sexual or financial. Judging people by probability, stereotyping and generalising people isn't fair at all, all people are different in their own way. Peace out and stop hating women yo ✌️

[@Filsan406]

Thank you bro, that's a great advice

[@mrmarcus8772]

So you don’t want to hold people accountable 😂 okay

[@RmonK2000]

​@@mrmarcus8772 hold who accountable? Bad people regardless of gender, race, religion, age..etc should be judged and criticized NOT generalized to the point where you have to create a whole movement and an ideology to do the same thing you're preaching against

[@AADD-kq6me]

Bro, don.t be simp. Ur Clean heart wil not benefit u if u want to marry. Bro mahdi talked the truth and the truth hurts always

[@AADD-kq6me]

​@@Filsan406 😂 great advice or that what u like ? A simp man who talk bullshit to satisfy u

[@user-pk5pl7ox1e]

Thank you Brother Gabriel for putting it out there EXACTLY how it needed to be! Let's keep to Qur'an and Sunnah! There's a REASON why there are rules & regulations in QUR'AN for Divorce! It is الله words! Why are people messing around with الله words to fit around their needs and to prove something on a personal level is beyond me! It's projection. They need to take down their videos with incorrect information otherwise will be accountable on Day of Judgement for misguiding humanity. May الله protect

[@RaihanShaheed]

Gabriel Romaani: '"Allah said, Prophet said ." Mahdi: "I think, I think.."

[@renatoc8377]

Sahih al-Bukhari 5077 Narrated `Aisha: I said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! Suppose you landed in a valley where there is a tree of which something has been eaten and then you found trees of which nothing has been eaten, of which tree would you let your camel graze?" He said, "(I will let my camel graze) of the one of which nothing has been eaten before." (The sub-narrator added: `Aisha meant that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) had not married a virgin besides herself .) حَدَّثَنَا إِسْمَاعِيلُ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنِي أَخِي، عَنْ سُلَيْمَانَ، عَنْ هِشَامِ بْنِ عُرْوَةَ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ ـ رضى الله عنها ـ قَالَتْ قُلْتُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ أَرَأَيْتَ لَوْ نَزَلْتَ وَادِيًا وَفِيهِ شَجَرَةٌ قَدْ أُكِلَ مِنْهَا، وَوَجَدْتَ شَجَرًا لَمْ يُؤْكَلْ مِنْهَا، فِي أَيِّهَا كُنْتَ تُرْتِعُ بَعِيرَكَ قَالَ ‏ "‏ فِي الَّذِي لَمْ يُرْتَعْ مِنْهَا ‏"‏‏.‏ تَعْنِي أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم لَمْ يَتَزَوَّجْ بِكْرًا غَيْرَهَا‏.‏ Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 5077In-book reference : Book 67, Hadith 15USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 7, Book 62, Hadith 14

[@ayesha1686]

@@renatoc8377 the prophet still treated all his wives the same virgin or non virgin Thats Gabriel’s whole point is that mehdi when giving advice paints a broad picture and uses disrespectful language when it comes to talking about divorced women

[@renatoc8377]

@@ayesha1686 his tone is problematic, agreed. But the content of the message really isn't . Also, do you know, like myself Mahdi married a divorced woman? Trying to just shame men saying they are judging is the language of the modern feminist western female

[@ayesha1686]

@@renatoc8377 I agree I think most women can agree it’s the messenger not the message, but are u not reading the comments? They aren’t just saying they have a preference they are also being disrespectful like I mentioned before the prophet never says one is better than the other in the hadith

[@reezis1619]

@@ayesha1686 Prophet married widows, big differences from fornicators/divorcees.

[@cxncien]

Gabriel's tone is repulsive, he's speaking some truth about vetting but... he's tone makes it hard to listen to him.

[@MahdiTidjani]

As always, a pleasure

[@rachidkhuzayma2773]

May Allah bless you brother. I see that you only want good for the brothers and I can see that your intentions are right. may Allah grant you good in dunya and akhirah and bestow upon you beneficial knowledge.

[@ahmedalmahdi2185]

"had to climb 148 storeys to witness this historic W bossman"

[@solodolo4235]

Always return to quran and sunnah, speak with a person of knowledge and see what quran and sunnah says about such issues not based on personal opinions and research. I feel like this is where u are lacking. I feel like ud do more of a service to the ummah speaking what u know for ex: fitness like u said. Its not upon us to just speak on any topic as we feel, consult with ppl of knowledge.

[@Hunredbandz]

🐐

[@Mdg892]

@Mahdi Tidjani as you said, brother Gabriel was not going to change his mind. People only want to hear what they want to hear. That’s why he strawmanned or dodged most of your direct questions to him and preceded to rant on for 5-10mins about vaguely relevant things to formulate some kind of answer. I think your approach to this “debate” was the best in that the brother, although knowledgable in his respective domain of counselling, is evidently unable to hold intellectual discussions like this. How many times did he bring up your past condescendingly as a way to indirectly discredit you or your use of the word body count etc ( the phrase body count is actually a common term to refer to a persons sexual partners, i think Gabriel’s a little out of touch there). This wasn’t as fruitful of a discussion as it could have been mainly because of brother Gabriel’s rigidity in his thinking and his inability to explore new ideas.

[@shimaaman2420]

LailahailAllah May Allah guide the Ummah. Big respect for Gabriel may Allah reward him for his patience to deal with the youngsters level. Gabriel sticks to the point!

[@syedmaazahmed6006]

اَمِين يَا رَبَّ الْعَالَمِيْن

[@kimkook5226]

They hate single mothers and they also don’t want to marry divorced/widowed women? What are we supposed to do?🧐

[@meeranqadir2336]

Don't worry about what some men have done. Alot of men happily marry divorces and widows. Just have trust in Allah

[@nazabdullah4408]

Stating that children in a single parent household suffer but at the same time devaluing these women is not the answer. Unfortunately women who are divorced or divorced with kids are now choosing to not marry again because they know that no man will choose them, I personally don't think this is anything to do with the woman I from experience can say that men just do not wish to take the responsibility of the woman or kids.

[@saf1999]

I just feel like EVERY situation differs from each other a lot , I hate when everything is just shoved into one category.

[@artarak497]

Sisters should marry poor and average brothers. They should lower their crazy standards.

[@artarak497]

@200k a year with a meme profile it’s more than biased, he makes it like it’s a moral duty to marry up a divorcee, the exceptions doesn’t make the norm.

[@artarak497]

@@growingirlz2012 to consider applying the sunnah you need to be in the top 10% of man if you’re realistic about what it takes, and yes if the third or second wife is a divorcee it’s no big deal. But if you’re in the top 2% you should aim to get all of them virg in s. 90% of man are average man and 50% of them are broke or poor. In this globalised se xu al market where Instagram dictates what’s the norm to our sisters, poor / average man are invisible to them. They all aim for the top 10% even divorcees.

[@blueflame3531]

@Golden Child They don't. It's only convenient when it's suits them. No one will marry a man who isn't even poor. But just makes less.

[@goldencalf8441]

Last year, there was a sister who rejected a brother because he used to be a drug dealer in his jahiliyah. Even tho the brother changed his ways and Allah forgiven him, she still rejected him because of that. Is the sister wrong for doing so? No. Likewise, I don’t see anything wrong with choosing not to marry a woman because of her past. Even if Allah has forgiven her. He shouldn’t be shamed for that. You can’t force someone to like another person.

[@minset2039]

Nah you cant. Nobody is forcing nobody. Just dont speak about the majority of MUSLIM divorcees if you have no clue about them.

[@casey1571]

@@equityjustice2695 I agree , they should stop glorifying marrying divorcees over chaste sister . The latter should be rewarded

[@minset2039]

@@equityjustice2695 where is your proof for the claim that MAJORITY of MUSLIM women didnt want to save their marriage and rather be divorcees than to work hard for that marriage? Some may be like that but majority? There could be so many factors for divorce. Men and women need to step up as husbands and wifes. How many real men are we seeing? You may or may not be correct about your claim but Gabriel is right we cant just take those statistics and apply them to the MAJORITY of muslim women.

[@minset2039]

@Golden Child who is saying those men have to marry divorcees or women with past? If they naturally dont want it who wants to change their mind? Thats ok. Point is there are men who even may be divorcees or who have had a past themselves that wouldnt mind taking divorced women. Why blame them? It sounds from what you wrote that those arent many, so why even speak about men marrying them? Especially in polygyny is marrying divorced women not a good way to solve issues in the ummah? Dont divorced women need to be taking care of? With that being said i dont agree with glorifying divorcees as well. Lets stay balanced.

[@hewav9319]

Yes she is in the wrong to reject him for that and I say that as a woman. That’s a stupid reason to reject a good brother.

[@rosevivo9387]

I divorced a narcissist brother and it nearly cost me my life. It wasnt an option it was a necessity and had no idea about what is a toxic relationship until i got married😱

[@munaali5612]

May Allah bless you brother Gabriel, the umma is so lucky to have you and to learn from you among other wise teachers of knowledge.

[@kaymubarak7331]

My goodness how many times did brother Gabriel ask this guy about his points concerning not marrying divorced woman! We're almost 15-20 mins in and still the Mahdi guy is dodging the question with questions. The hosts need to tell Mahdi to answer the damn question already!

[@ibrahimablack4774]

Hahahahahahaha

[@juxtapositionMS]

Count how many times br. Gabriel dodged Mahdi's question.

[@kaymubarak7331]

@@juxtapositionMS have u noticed how irrelevant Mahdi's questions were. The guy made several statements regarding the particular topic answer the damn question head on. Who cares about the definition of "red pill" . He's an absolute joke and shouldn't have a platform to view his pathetic opinions. He needs councling to get over his exes. With an attitude like his us it any wonder he had failed marriages 😬he needs to take a long hard look within himself, fix himself up and his unresolved issues then maybe offer advice to others. His opinions come from a place of resentment which he needs to deal with and move on.

[@Kubilay3502]

@@kaymubarak7331 not at all seems you haven't watched mahdis context, none of his questions were irrelevant but it's pretty clear that you have a bias against Mahdi and others from your comment/watch history

[@rabia1092]

Sh. Gabriel Al Romaani killed it. Mahdi has some twisted point of view which isn’t healthy for muslim men to adhere to

[@kaisersoze8199]

Bro Gabriel schooled mehdi so hard! Mehdi came only to learn. Turned into a Q&A rather than a debate

[@fatimaamier8262]

Agreed 1000%

[@96muslimgirl]

choose the virgin, choose her, but dont discourage marriage with or look down on devorcees. thats just disgusting for one to actively discriminate and encourange discrimination against divorcees as if they are all the same and a guaranteed recipe for trouble. May Allah guide us all, ameen.

[@samia6888]

Exactly. And I would go as far to say choose who you want, virgin or not. Just don’t bring down the people you don’t choose and let someone else choose them. Don’t say bad things about them and scare people away from them, you never know if they could be better than you in the sight of Allah and a better spouse for that person than the coveted virgin.

[@taimurahmad]

All perfect praise be to Allaah, the Lord of the worlds. I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allaah, and that Muhammad, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, is His Slave and Messenger. The Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, recommended marrying virgin women, as Jaabir ibn ‘Abdullaah narrated that he said, “I married a woman during the lifetime of the Messenger of Allaah . I met the Prophet and he asked: “O Jaabir, have you married?” I said, “Yes.” He said: “A virgin or one previously-married?” I said, “A previously-married woman.” Whereupon, he said: “Why did you not marry a virgin with whom you could play?” I said, “O Messenger of Allaah, I have sisters; I was afraid that she might intervene between me and them.” He replied: “Then it is that (which is the correct thing to do). A woman is married for her religiousness, wealth and beauty, so you should choose the religious one; lest you lose.” [Al-Bukhari and Muslim. This is the wording of Muslim] ‘Utbah ibn ‘Uwaym narrated that the Messenger of Allaah, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, said: “Marry virgin women for they have sweeter mouths, more fertile wombs, and are more content with what is little.” [Ibn Maajah in his Sunan. Al-Albaani: Hasan] (Sweeter in mouths): It means that their mouths smell good and their saliva is sweeter. It could also mean lack of obscenity and impudence because they still maintain their bashfulness due to not mixing with men. (More content with little): It means that they are content with little expenses and sexual intercourse because they did not experience it before. As Al-Munaawi stated in Faydh Al-Qadeer, the command in the two aforementioned Hadeeths is for recommendation, not for obligation. To us, the preponderant opinion is that marrying virgin women is better in principle, based on the previously mentioned proofs.

[@tessben1706]

Thank you brother Gabriel for trying to stop a real fitnah. May Allah protect all of us from this dangerous influence (and others ones) that only creates more amalgams (that already exist...).

[@Caglalaa206]

This discussion was Alhamdulilah very fruitful. On the one side you could see the accuracy and knowledge of Br. Gabriel. On the other side Br. Mehdi had very good adab and you could see his passion for reaching out the truth. May Allah bless all of you!

[@fauzistudentofknowledge]

Agree with U, but at some point, however, Gabriel's a counselor, teacher, he understood exactly to place his position, when he should be assertive and so on..

[@yushaq2434]

I think both opinions are necessary to keep the balance. There should be hope for divorcees, but there should also be some fear generated toward divorce to deter people from making it an easy option. Just like Malcolm and Martin were both needed for the same struggle, Mahdi and Gabriel are both needed.

[@blackcat4711]

W comment

[@Akuma911]

Mahdi's arguments are painful to listen to. He either beats around the bush or gives irrelevant examples. I genuinely feel for Gabriel actually giving up his time speaking to someone like this.

[@shaya5544]

What makes me laugh is that the men that want a virgin, seem to forget Allah's promise, the virgins are only for the virgins. But this is never discussed.

[@ottopotatum5775]

Thats in different context tho

[@fauziakhan1155]

Respect to brother Gabriel, a man talking to a boy 😊

[@mysterybeauty636]

Gabriel sounds like he’s just telling the brother (Mahdi) to speak about the issues he wants to speak about. But with Quran and Sunnah, because that’s the only thing that can help us. And supporting and pushing this “red pill” movement doesn’t help like Islam would and always will.

[@braveheart8318]

How only "quran and sunnah" has helped Muslims in the last 5 centuries? They're defeated, lost every war, kicked out of their own countries, were colonised, looted and plundered, broken into bits and pieces and are still at the mercy of the west.

[@aammujahid354]

@@braveheart8318 that happened for lack of Quran and Sunnah. They diverted from true teachings of Islam. You can read history

[@hsundercover9234]

The Red Pill is not a movement. Rollo Tomassi has written volumes about separating Red Pill praxeology from political and/or moral agenda. He characterizes the current political climate dominated by feminine-centric views, as do other writers like Warren Farrell (author of The Myth of Male Power). Rollo is not saying that it’s morally wrong for women to pursue their own political or sexual agenda. He is saying that it is wrong to shame men for doing the same, and that politics is an obstacle to praxeology. The moral indignation associated with the Red Pill is an attempt to corrupt its praxeological nature (the science of purposeful human behavior) with a political agenda. Rollo Tomassi mentions "It’s my opinion that red pill awareness needs to remain fundamentally apolitical, non-racial and non-religious because the moment the Red Pill is associated with any social or religious movement, you co-brand it with an ideology, and the validity of it will be written off along with any preconceptions associated with that specific ideology. Furthermore, any co-branding will still be violently disowned by whatever ideology it’s paired with because the Feminine Imperative has already co-opted and trumps the fundaments of that ideology."

[@IbnThabitVerlag]

it is pretty much exactly the core message of his reaction video regarding Honest Tea Talk

[@jenniferbibi1972]

Gabriel is a real one. Alhumdulliah that he is a muslim

[@moneylineparlay105]

1:22:00 so why are sisters WILLINGLY marrying bros who do not pray or do drugs? they know this beforehand. They tell Gabrielle these weak excuses to justify why they divorced. The real reason is she just wants another guy.

[@amalawad3338]

Why do you assume that she knew about it? In his example He said that the man “started to not believe” meaning he was a believer and slowly changed. Are you going to blame the woman in this case?

[@sarahm4516]

Do you think the guy divulges that he happens to deal a little crack on the side when he visits the girls house and sits with the wali? why is your first thought that its the womans fault, smells like chauvinism ew

[@Rongeez03]

Im 40min in thinking, does he ever answer the question!? LORD!! Subhanallah!!

[@ahmedalmahdi2185]

Gabriel did not provide context in regards to marrying a divorcee. He is simply advocating for marrying divorcees, he did not even specify WHO should marry a divorcee, and under what circumstance. Refused to answer Mahdi's question of whether he would choose to marry a virgin or a divorcee, given all other factors are equal (her character, beauty, taqwa etc.). The issue with being defensive in this way and refusing to validate Mahdi's argument puts you on the far end of the spectrum, where you are now not just advocating for marrying divorcees, but preaching that divorcees are preferable over virgins by proxy of avoiding Mahdi's argument

[@Nobody-fr3wz]

I dont think you watched the stream. It's clear he spoke with knowledge and evidence. Mahdi spoke pure emotion, hypotheticals and siting studies he said where irrelevant who the case study was. Your boy got smashed today, Sweating in his chair.

[@artarak497]

@@Nobody-fr3wz i think you should wash your glasses because it seems you didn’t watch the stream The brothers comment is on point

[@Nobody-fr3wz]

@@artarak497 I dont wear glasses. Your probably a beta Male that's why you disagree and want to defend the actions of this fool

[@blueflame3531]

@@Nobody-fr3wz I never saw a woman use alpha and beta 😂 that's a new one lol

[@Nobody-fr3wz]

@@blueflame3531 women can smell it a mile off, that why they send men like you who bitch on comments section of like women a Beta! Lesser more confident man who is whiney and confused.

[@aminalove4368]

Amazing debate jazakhallahu khayran brother Gabriel 👌 for educating us on Quran and sunnah regarding these issues.

[@HonestLady]

Lol man like this are not thinking properly, my dear brother I’m your older sister, let me tell you this, even if you marry the 17yrs old she can create a problem and next month divorce from you, so you also we will call you ‘body count ‘ bcz you already divorced I don’t know how many times… Mary a woman who has taqwa, and her mentally connection with you then the beauty..otherwise if you start with is she married you will fail , because you will miss the good sister just because she is divorced, how do you know maybe her husband was the one who is horrible? Alhamdulilah for Islam

[@YeOldVisigoth]

Would you also advise women to marry financially poor men?

[@udaykamel8973]

In our times modern women, muslim or non muslim (they have the same ideas of feminism) will divorce their husbands for the most ridiculous reasons, so i agree with both of them with certain points they made. I think men should stay away from women, who look at divorce as the first thing when problems arise and those women could be single but majority of western divorcees have that mindset even tho they are muslims.

[@onlyallahisworthyofworship5599]

You misunderstood actually. If you find 2 women who both have good deen etc but one of them never married and the other was a divorcee, men will choose the one who never married.

[@HonestLady]

@@YeOldVisigoth why not? ..I’m married to one

[@HonestLady]

@@onlyallahisworthyofworship5599 I didn’t miss understand this brother in his channel doesn’t say if you meet two women one is married and one is divorced as you describe, all he is advising is run from divorced women he even call them how many bodies something … which in Islam we should not label anyone , men or women we have to respect everyone

[@eddyyusuf7034]

Muslims need to understand that sex is not the only thing marriage has to offer , Prophet(pbuh) married virgin,divorced and widows didn't look up for body counts ,Suggested us muslims to marry women who has good taqwa

[@eymasuldamada8145]

Thaankk youu ,you have taken the words of my mouth. Mahdi tries to divide muslim women. If you are going to generalize and separating women according to their age,divorce,marriage and etc. Hence,it would really broke muslim women apart. Take it as example that his daughter was divorced ,then she would be called divorcee as insult from other men and women.Because this insane Mahdi has glued bodycount to divorced.Which then makes divorced women degraded in views of others. It will put divorcees in generally in risk. In addition muslim ummah needs to stop degrading and insulting divorcees and single mothers and then praise virgins. Its disgusting ,because this shit ideology of" dont marry divorcee and single mothers,Marry virgins because they are pure!!!. " No! Shit. This exactly why women say "men are trash" . I am virgin myself and in my 18th .And I can understand why women say " men are trash".its because of a men like this. Let women alone ,for goodness sake this red pill doesnt even make sense.If you want to marry someone ,have your options wide, dont choose women upon purity ,choose them of how you connect to them or love. Mahdi is advocating that even if you have fallen in love or connected with divorcee or single mother ,leave and run to hill, drop the case ,dont even consider them. This is dispaisible and i dispaise this man and others that follow him and women that follow him. I would like to tell virgin muslim woman and virgin nonmuslim not to marry a man in generally. Specially questionable creatures called males 😁🖕. Adopt and have stressfree😁🤗

[@إلياس-ل9ظ]

I'd like to see you use the same argument to women for marrying broke men with good taqwa since the Prophet PBUH and the Muslims were in a very tough financial situation before they made Hijra but they still got married.

[@eddyyusuf7034]

@@إلياس-ل9ظ yes ofcourse you are correct

[@إلياس-ل9ظ]

@@eddyyusuf7034 Does that make not wanting to marry a broke man a bad thing in any sense of the term? No, and nobody with a sound fitrah would tell you otherwise because it's fitrah and there is nothing that says otherwise in Islam. Same goes for marrying divorcees.

[@eymasuldamada8145]

@@إلياس-ل9ظ Its not even argument. Women prefer men who is financially stable just as like men prefer beautiful women. Women dont seek beauty in men simple ,THEY SEEK SECURE AND FAMILY. The point im trying to make is dont collate divorcees , singlemothers to such argument. What if suddenly virgin women say they will not marry divorced men and single dads. Im saying dont be hypocrite. divorced men say these type of things then they marre virgins. Astagfirullah, One shouldnt even be rejected because they are divorcee or single mothers. Mahdi:" I dont recommend divorcees and singlemothers,because they are burden.". I thought the old centries where women were bashed and insulted because they were singlemothers and divorcee was over. I guess you just dont want to understand where women come from.

[@88Grimmjow]

Mahdi has been hurt and now is taking revenge against divorced women now, simple as that.

[@taimurahmad]

All perfect praise be to Allaah, the Lord of the worlds. I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allaah, and that Muhammad, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, is His Slave and Messenger. The Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, recommended marrying virgin women, as Jaabir ibn ‘Abdullaah narrated that he said, “I married a woman during the lifetime of the Messenger of Allaah . I met the Prophet and he asked: “O Jaabir, have you married?” I said, “Yes.” He said: “A virgin or one previously-married?” I said, “A previously-married woman.” Whereupon, he said: “Why did you not marry a virgin with whom you could play?” I said, “O Messenger of Allaah, I have sisters; I was afraid that she might intervene between me and them.” He replied: “Then it is that (which is the correct thing to do). A woman is married for her religiousness, wealth and beauty, so you should choose the religious one; lest you lose.” [Al-Bukhari and Muslim. This is the wording of Muslim] ‘Utbah ibn ‘Uwaym narrated that the Messenger of Allaah, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, said: “Marry virgin women for they have sweeter mouths, more fertile wombs, and are more content with what is little.” [Ibn Maajah in his Sunan. Al-Albaani: Hasan] (Sweeter in mouths): It means that their mouths smell good and their saliva is sweeter. It could also mean lack of obscenity and impudence because they still maintain their bashfulness due to not mixing with men. (More content with little): It means that they are content with little expenses and sexual intercourse because they did not experience it before. As Al-Munaawi stated in Faydh Al-Qadeer, the command in the two aforementioned Hadeeths is for recommendation, not for obligation. To us, the preponderant opinion is that marrying virgin women is better in principle, based on the previously mentioned proofs.

[@sadatkhan2012]

Brother Gabriel is very knowledgeable and respected. ❤❤

[@jwelkudeh4216]

Mahdi really thought he was spittin, may Allah further guide him and soften his heart. This is very sad

[@DestroyerOff]

You think just yelling loudly is the way to get your point across? It’s ludicrous to think any guy will look at a divorcee as equal to a unmarried woman. Asking a man to change himself when there’s nothing wrong is selfish.

[@MrCabdi08]

I dont understand brother Gabriel. If a man abused heroin for 30 years and he became muslim at 50, does that suddenly heal all the damage he has put his body through all these years? Of course not! Allah may have forgiven his sins but that doesnt mean he wont face the consequences of abusing heroin for 30 years. Similarly, a woman who has pair bonding issues wont be miraculously healed because she made tawbah.

[@josephstar1883]

Exactly what I always try to say! When she makes tawbah it's between her and Allah swt. The husband would still have to carry her burdens of her past into the marriege.This is just like how Allah swt forgives all our sins except if we have opressed anyone, we would still have to deal and ask forgiveness from the opressed one. Because that, is not between her/him and Allah anymore.

[@munibcodm]

You're conflating someone abusing heroin for 30 years with *divorce*. Why don't you put these arguments of pair-bonding towards the Prophet ﷺ and the Salaf who married divorcees with 'body counts'. Did the best of generations not know any better here?

[@MrCabdi08]

@@munibcodm youre the one conflating eeman and taqwah with biology. Some of the sahabahs drank alcohol in Jahiliyyah. Does that mean when they became muslim, all the damage to thier organs or livers were healed?

[@munibcodm]

@@MrCabdi08 Lol the point went over your head. The best of generations married divorcees, why are you bringing this 'pair-bonding' argument based on 'probabilities' while it opposes the Shari'a? You want us to discourage men marrying divorcees, *especially* sisters who happened to be with a bad husband? Your invalid qiyās has no bearing here.

[@munibcodm]

@@MrCabdi08 Also, for us to even consider your 'pair-bonding' argument - you would need studies with properly controlled variables taking into account muslims across several regions; at least imān and taqwah would be taken into account here.

[@shioabhussain899]

Brother Gabriel is a wise man we should learn from

[@ziarehman6752]

Are you pulling my leg… the guy comes across as an ignoramus.

[@mohammed96011]

Sorry Mahdi. Kufaar studies vs Quran and Sunnah is no match. Quran and Sunnah is real principles

[@saifullahkhan1202]

One thing that Mahdi distinguishes about divorced women is the reason why they're divorced. For example, if she divorced her husband for some petty reason or the man divorced her because she was mischievous, nagging, ungrateful, bad akhlaq, bad attitude etc then a man should run for the hills if the woman divorced her husband for reasons like incompatibility or genuine abuse then a man should marry that woman if they like and find each other compatible after vetting. At the end like Gabriel said one should vet the person and see if they match you but to properly vet them I think one should know some red pill stuff that Mahdi speaks about. I was hoping Mahdi would explain his position and his views rather than just dropping the hot potato, it would have lead to a good discussion and finding a middle path.

[@blackcat4711]

Exactly

[@MrCabdi08]

Subhannallah its almost like Mahdi is being put on trial for murder. He doesnt call to anything haraam or evil. He is being made out to be the villian for simply advocating for what is best for brothers.

[@taufmo2564]

The deen of Allah is no joke. Any advice given by mahdi or anyone should be bounds by the quran and sunnah. Not research studies. Brother Gabriel , Masha Allah, made very good points.

[@josephstar1883]

That's because anyone who speaks for Men gets demonized in our age.

[@fadumohassan4486]

How about sisters

[@93boxing81]

@@taufmo2564 just because something is not mentioned in the Quran and Sunnah doesnt mean it is haram to do it. None of those studies contradict the Sunnah or Quran. Gabriel used a lot of exception to the rule and deflected the arguments Mahdi produced.

[@عبدالرحمن-ف4ض6ذ]

he is encouraging people not to though which is problematic

[@freetreebees]

Masha'Allah Brother Gabriel is very enlightened may Allah reward him for what he does for our deen

[@Shehryar486]

By the way, where was the “debate” - it just mainly just Brother Gabriel lecturing Mahdi

[@nhalikul]

YES! I am over 60 minutes into the video and I am already done with listening to brother Gabriel going non stop.

[@xS146roar]

@Golden Child Mahdi don't answer . What to do then ???

[@gobah]

Marry someone strong in faith, divorced or not.

[@hannah6528]

1:48, Gabriel says Mahdi is asking him to get in the head of women/entertain hypotheticals. When Gabriel had an issue with the knitting video, was he not getting in the head of young men/creating hypotheticals that boys seeing this will lead to x? It seems he thinks it’s okay if he analyses human conduct and behaviour, but not when Mahdi does it. He can say a video of knitting can lead to feminine men, but Mahdi cannot say saying xyz can encourage a wife with no serious problems to leave their husband.

[@halalmuslimah9076]

@Golden Child He literally said a few times that marrying divorcees is only halal/permissible and he said there's no virtue attached but marrying virgin's is rewardable and recommended he already admitted that so what are you saying

[@halalmuslimah9076]

@Golden Child i didn't miss that part but i just wanted to make sure it didn't "seem" that way to you anymore. How is saying "divorce is halal" promoting divorce?? Allah says Himself that divorce is halal but that doesn't mean Allah is promoting divorce just by saying it's halal. That's literally all gabriel said - that it's halal that's all, gabriel is not promoting divorce he is a councillor he has also been an imaam before he himself will be one of the first people to tell you as a councillor that divorce is always the last option unless there's danger or something he deals with these situations all the time and subhaan Allah he recently just uploaded a video talking about why divorce is increasing recently and Allah knows his intentions best but i assume he uploaded that video literally to try and reduce divorce so he does not promote divorce at all.

[@halalmuslimah9076]

@Golden Child gabriel literally fights feminism every single day on instagram and youtube etc so why would you say he is using the same strategy as feminists when he fights feminists every day

[@hewav9319]

@Golden Child lol

[@asakore1]

@@halalmuslimah9076 he seems like a feminist to me.

[@mayurdotca]

Thank you for this. As a revert of 6 years, and recently divorced (amicably) with my ex-wife, I had never heard Gabriel's perspective. Most MSM repeats "red pill" ideology. Gabriel's point of view is an important perspective.

[@ottopotatum5775]

Lol and people like mahdi say it promotes feminism

[@yakoobwaheed6804]

Alhamdulillah for Gabriel’s intellect with his consistency in keeping to the subject matter of this debate. Mahdi discouraging Muslim men marrying divorced women and the correlation to Islam. Why must he keep returning to debating whether red pill is an ideology or not, WHO gives a damn. Stop avoiding the point. Frustrating myself and br gabriel by not owning your advice to the masses.

[@taimurahmad]

All perfect praise be to Allaah, the Lord of the worlds. I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allaah, and that Muhammad, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, is His Slave and Messenger. The Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, recommended marrying virgin women, as Jaabir ibn ‘Abdullaah narrated that he said, “I married a woman during the lifetime of the Messenger of Allaah . I met the Prophet and he asked: “O Jaabir, have you married?” I said, “Yes.” He said: “A virgin or one previously-married?” I said, “A previously-married woman.” Whereupon, he said: “Why did you not marry a virgin with whom you could play?” I said, “O Messenger of Allaah, I have sisters; I was afraid that she might intervene between me and them.” He replied: “Then it is that (which is the correct thing to do). A woman is married for her religiousness, wealth and beauty, so you should choose the religious one; lest you lose.” [Al-Bukhari and Muslim. This is the wording of Muslim] ‘Utbah ibn ‘Uwaym narrated that the Messenger of Allaah, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, said: “Marry virgin women for they have sweeter mouths, more fertile wombs, and are more content with what is little.” [Ibn Maajah in his Sunan. Al-Albaani: Hasan] (Sweeter in mouths): It means that their mouths smell good and their saliva is sweeter. It could also mean lack of obscenity and impudence because they still maintain their bashfulness due to not mixing with men. (More content with little): It means that they are content with little expenses and sexual intercourse because they did not experience it before. As Al-Munaawi stated in Faydh Al-Qadeer, the command in the two aforementioned Hadeeths is for recommendation, not for obligation. To us, the preponderant opinion is that marrying virgin women is better in principle, based on the previously mentioned proofs.

[@rook0802]

May Allah bless brother Gabriel and his family with Jannah. Aameen

[@UmmYusuf1]

This mahdi guy is an absolute joke. He literally has avoided all questions by asking questions.

[@IlmQuarter]

وقال الشيخ ابن عثيمين رحمه الله : "البكر أفضل؛ لأنها لم تطمح إلى رجال سابقين، ولم يتعلق قلبها بأحد قبله، ولأن أول من يباشرها من الرجال هذا الرجل، فتتعلق به أكثر " انتهى من "الشرح الممتع" (12/ 15) Shaykh Ibn al-Uthaymeen (رحمه الله) said: A virgin is better as she did not leave behind men from before, and her heart did not attach to anyone before him, and the first one that will copulate with her from the men will be this man, so she will attach to him greater. [ash-Sharh al-Mumti’ (15/12)]

[@kaz4845]

Mahdi is a joke. If redpill is not an ideology why is he promoting it. The very fact of promoting and pushing it makes it an ideology.. He was trying to hide behind this claim.. Good thing gabriel didn't let him weasle his way with words

[@IlmQuarter]

I think the excerpt below sums it up perfectly Shaykh Mustafa al-Ruhaybaani (Hanbali Mufti) said: “It is Sunnah for the one who wants to get married to marry a virgin, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to Jaabir, ‘Why not a virgin whom you could play with and she could play with you?’ (agreed upon) - *unless there is a reason* for which marrying a previously-married woman is better, in which case he should choose such a woman over a virgin, in order to serve that interest.”(Mataalib Uli al-Nuha, 5/9, 10) And Allaah knows best.

[@josephstar1883]

"unless there is a reason for which marrying a previously-married woman is better, in which case he should choose such a woman over a virgin, in order to serve that interest.”(Mataalib Uli al-Nuha, 5/9, 10) No reason for me to mary a divorcee or a women with a negative past. That sums everything up. I'm marrying a virgin Incha Allah. 😂

[@IlmQuarter]

@@josephstar1883 Sunnah 👍

[@jonafondow9224]

but there is a problem with citing the hadeeth of jaabir as sole evidence for this position...as the recommendation was not a general advice to the ummah but a specific one to a single sahaabee - it cannot be ruled out that this was an advice tailored to the subject; perhaps based upon his youthfulness or another/other factors...this could be used as a supporting evidence were there a more general and clear cut evidence which carried the explicit meaning that it is claimed this hadeeth implies...but i think caution should be applied if this is the only evidence this understanding or ruling is based upon...wa-ALLAAHU-A'LAM...

[@IlmQuarter]

@@jonafondow9224 ‘Utbah ibn ‘Uwaym رضي الله عنه narrated that the Messenger of Allaah ﷺ said: “Marry virgin women for they have sweeter mouths, more fertile wombs, and are more content with what is little.” [Ibn Maajah in his Sunan. Al-Albaani: Hasan] Doesn’t get any clearer than that akhi

[@jonafondow9224]

@@IlmQuarteri agree...but my point was based on extracting the hukm soley from the hadeeth of jaabir...the shaykh whose opinion you cited is 100% correct and nobody can dispute that..

[@DispersedNation1]

Secondly, it seems like divorcees/single mothers would NOT accept polygyny. A divorcee with 2-4 kids expects a single brother or one who may have kids and is divorced.... No no no to polygyny, so brother Al Romani's argument for safeguarding the sisters through polygyny won't work there.

[@NG-kv5sf]

Polygyny is a woman's choice. A woman can expect and have any standards she wishes irrespective of her marital status or "body count" so long as it's in line with what's wajib in islam.

[@NadeemAhmed-nv2br]

Polygamy is a man's Choice whether or not his first wife agrees to it because it is his Islamic right

[@NG-kv5sf]

@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br it's her choice of she wants to be a part of it. That's the part you men ignore.

[@reezis1619]

@@NG-kv5sf It is the mans choice to stay away from divorcees.

[@hodanabdulkadir9019]

Asc it’s very important to have Islamic education because that it’s the thing to use as measurement not your opinion nor experience. Jazzaka allaahi qayr brother gabreal to in lightening for all of us. Also brother mahdi he came as open minded mansha allaah. We have to be careful to make something allaah make-permissible to impermissible, and like brother Gabriel cleared that for us. Jazzaka allaah khayran all of you keep doing the good work.

[@josephstar1883]

Mahdi didn't say it's haram to marry divorcee. If that's what your pointing at.... You failed.

[@93boxing81]

@@josephstar1883 exactly. The problem with most Muslim is that they talk kore than they listen.

[@muhammadmafaz8530]

Hey fear Allah where did mehdi said it haram?

[@muhammadmafaz8530]

Also you have to note women are initiating divorce like a rocket. We don't say its haram to initiate divorce but we have to understand women are imotional.

[@josephstar1883]

@Real Authentic D You are not my wife are you tho 😂

[@casey1571]

Is it haram for not wanting to marry a divorcee?

[@MuslimPrince_]

Your preference akhi marry four virgins if you wish. These ppl can’t force you

[@rachidkhuzayma2773]

Shaykh Mustafa al-Ruhaybaani said: “It is Sunnah for the one who wants to get married to marry a virgin, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to Jaabir, ‘Why not a virgin whom you could play with and she could play with you?’ (agreed upon) - unless there is a reason for which marrying a previously-married woman is better, in which case he should choose such a woman over a virgin, in order to serve that interest.”(Mataalib Uli al-Nuha, 5/9, 10)

[@rachidkhuzayma2773]

wallahi brother most divorced woman of this generation have black hearts and this can be seen in the horrible lives they lead. Most women divorce because western ideologies tell them that for example obeying a man is bad and they divorce in order to be supposedly free. watch out brother.

[@casey1571]

That’s my point. They’re making it seem like I should be shamed for not wanting to marry a divorcee. I just find them repulsive personally. If some one else wants to marry her, I have no issue with that.

[@solodolo4235]

@@casey1571 Everyone has their own preferences, there maybe reasons why u want a virgin. But what Mahdi is doing is coming to the masses and saying nobody should even consider a divorcee. Now the question is that is this advice backed by the quran or sunnah? Similarly some ppl might prefer and older woman to someone younger than them. U may have a preference to women older than u but does this mean you should now villainize younger women and say nobody should marry them??? When even Rasoolullah (saw) married a woman older than him and a woman younger than him.

[@casey1571]

A woman’s past matter. Most divorces are initiated by ungrateful women. A man should think twice before investing in such marriage with a divorcee. The same way a sister would think twice marrying a man guilty of domestic abuse in his previous marriage. You shouldn’t be concerned with your spouse’s past mistakes right? Well now in the man's case it matters lol.

[@HS-dk7ro]

So should a single muslimah not marry a divorcee man with multiple ex wives? So what about his body count and pair bonding? Even after the jahiliya era when they used to bury their daughters stopped, we have some men continuing to mentally and emotionally bury women….take that in. Have we truly learned anything?

[@1slamExplained]

Tough one, but I can see Mahdi's point too i.e. you choose the person you feel will less likely divorce via his or her track record. You don't need any studies but your own life experiences and the experiences of others. Studies help but we don't always have studies at hand. Ideally, we need as much information as to make the correct decision. Yes, I agree his language can be problematic but then again I haven't seen brother Mahdi's videos in "full" just a few clips here and there.

[@kenza2534]

We shouldn't look at a woman if she is divorced or not, the sunna thought us that the dinn, taqwa and morals of the person is more important than anything else in someone, a revert can be better than a born muslima and vise versa, so it's not a rule, it depends on the person

[@Ibrahim-xc7ev]

I think we should look at a women for who she is. But if she definitely got a track record, (in which she was the one causing the problems), then I totally agree with you. But we shouldn’t just throw every divorced sister away. I go by my own example. Someone I know got divorced. Nicest and pious sister. Husband was a total loser (family was well-known and well to do, he was just a slacker and worked at a pub while he had this whole thing about him being a engineer, married just to get a visa) , now in her case judging on her case record, it wouldn’t the fair to just throw her away, as she got nothing to do with how he acts. Same with a man as well. I think best is just do what you feel comfortable with. You want to marry a virgin go ahead. You got no problems marrying a divorcee, go ahead.

[@93boxing81]

@@kenza2534 just like women shouldnt look at a mans height but THEY DO BECAUSE IT IS THEIR PREFERENCE. You cannot just tell men to control their preference while not telling women about controlling their hypergamy preferences.

[@عبدالرحمن-ف4ض6ذ]

@@93boxing81 prefrence is ok but to go around telling men not to marry divorcees is kind of cruel there is a difference between a man and a woman a man is capable of working and providing a divorcee with children its a hard situation why do you make it sound lime some war of the sexes be merciful akhi

[@kenza2534]

@@93boxing81 What am saying is the first criteria to choose from is taqwa like the prophet mohamed peace and blessings be upon him told us period. Now if you have or don't have preferences it's your choice.

[@lotti6563]

Brother gabriel made really good points. I feel like he wasn’t listened to properly and his points weren’t being responded to

[@raheelaali9767]

Yes it was very frustrating that his points and questions were not addressed

[@anama9068]

The whole panel is red pill, even the moderators

[@truthinknowledge8312]

Very fruitful discussion. Hopefully we don't see a "refutation" or "reaction" clip trying to backtrack or prove a point. Real men handle it in a face to face discussion and the issue should be left at that.

[@mrlove7410]

I hope so

[@KrimzunFlare]

Me too. Let it end here and move on. Both sides have good points.

[@asakore1]

Pease provide a quran or hadith claiming 'real man handle it in a face to face discussion and the issue should be left at that'.

[@alliyahsgalaxy]

Why is marrying a divorced woman even a topic of discussion?

[@aishaafghan900]

I been married 2 times and now married again the first husband was 25 yers older then me and it was arrange marriage the second marriage he was a player going from one women to another I left him because I didn’t want to get any diseases and now I’m married for the third time and this one is so abusive, physically, verbally, and emotionally and he always brings my past like it was all my fault and my husbands left ,us women always suffer. Nobody knows what we go through , everybody’s situation is different, so stop judging divorced women😢

[@DestroyerOff]

There’s one common denominator, you. You either suck at selecting men, or you bring out the worst in your husbands. I understand it’s a very extreme take, but it’s the necessary one.

[@suhaibsuhaib5947]

This is why mahdi is right you divorce are just red flag how the hell did you choose.the wrong guy 3 times 😂

[@dom3073]

I dont know why Mahdi didnt bring in this hadith, he would have ended the debate in 2 minutes: Narrated `Aisha: I said, O Allah's Apostle! Suppose you landed in a valley where there is a tree of which something has been eaten and then you found trees of which nothing has been eaten, of which tree would you let your camel graze? He said, (I will let my camel graze) of the one of which nothing has been eaten before. (The sub-narrator added: `Aisha meant that Allah's Apostle had not married a virgin besides herself .) Bukhari 5077

[@eddyyusuf7034]

But prophet(pbuh) also married divorced women

[@dom3073]

@@eddyyusuf7034 yes majority was for political reasons otherwise he would have picked virgins.

[@eddyyusuf7034]

@@dom3073 did prophet(pbuh) married zainab(r.a) for political reasons? No he(pbuh) married her because Allah ordered him(pbuh) Infact prophet(pbuh) married all of wives upon allahs order except khadijah(r.a) as far as i know

[@dom3073]

@@eddyyusuf7034 actually ur proving my point. the Prophet only did it because Allah ordered him to. He may not have married her, if he wasnt commanded.

[@kakarote100]

@@dom3073 "otherwise he would have picked virgins." You couldn't be more wrong. Khadija RA was the most beloved to prophet SAWS, not for her status. He remained in a monogamous marriage with her unlike the rest.

[@cryptomania9263]

If divorce staristics are not considered. Why does sisters refer to studies of domestic violence than?

[@SAAD92ification]

Wallahi great point jzk Allah

[@bilalshaban2432]

Once you unplug you’ll understand Mehdi more!! we need Abu American and Gabriel and mahdi on the podcast!!

[@ummyusufmona]

They have a podcast together tonight! Probably on @abuamerican channel

[@ahmedalmahdi2185]

@@ummyusufmona Did you happen to live in Sweden in the past? Sorry if this comes off as personal.

[@jeje4042]

Comparing sharpening a knife to quoting/ mis quoting/ misapplying shariah is not a valid comparison